>Kubrick wanted to make the ultimate horror film
>Made this
Did he succeed?
>Kubrick wanted to make the ultimate horror film. >Made this
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It's got some great performances but it isn't really scary.
It's mostly unpleasant, yeah. The images are more frightening than the "content" per se.
Name a movie that can be defended as being genuinely scary.
I can name possibly the original TV version of JUON still has a touch of it's creep factor intact. The Woman in Black (TV Version again) kept it's power for quite a while, particularly the bedroom scene where she slowly bares down on the guy like a demon.
These are movies helped by their stark isolating atmosphere then follow it through with a "close encounter" that pushes most people's "time to wake up from the nightmare" button.
There's really only a handful that retain even an echo of the first experience of them. The Shining keeps refreshing itself because new stuff keeps being discovered about it. Like the idea that Wendy may be making it all up and she killed Jack after cracking up herself (and a large portion of the movie is told by her after the fact, which is why details keep changing).
But I'd recommend watching it again on one of those diabolical Soap Opera Motion TVs. I caught it on one like that last year and it came off like a really strange and unsettling old BBC TV Special. It feels a bit more set bound and "airless" and as such it adds to the sense of being cut off from the real world. A lot of the "Kubrickisms" kind of fade into the background and it becomes just this small group of actors doing a really intense, strange play.
First time I've seen a movie actually get more effective with that smooth-motion filter on it.
The original Children of the Corn (1984)
It fucked me up as a kid and it still bothers me.
I think he did, it's a kind of unnerving film in ways I can't describe
It's truly the pinnacle of "sophisticated" horror, which is tough to do. Only the Exorcist and maybe Psycho are in the same category.
I like about 50% of kubrick's work. And The Shining is one of the ones i just don't care for. I can see it's well made and the performances are good, but it's just so fucking dull. All of Steven King's horror works is just stupid.
Exorcist is kino but psycho? i love it but it's just schlocky trash. I can't see them in the same category at all.
Psycho was innovative and made in general.
Psycho is the grandfather of modern horror. It set a new bar, whether your zoomer ass can understand its greater context or not.
>It's truly the pinnacle of "sophisticated" horror, which is tough to do. Only the Exorcist and maybe Psycho are in the same category.
This guy gets it. Although I would add Rosemary's Baby and Don't Look Now to that list.
>Did he succeed?
Not even. About as scary as a carnival funhouse. The music did all the real scaring.
You know he succeeded because it caused Stephen King to get so pissed off when it overshadowed the original that he made his own version of it which sucked.
the book is complete ass. Turns into a gay action finale with a heckin' reddit explosion.Jack is way better as a scumbag off the bat rather than King's self-insert like he is in the book. Kubrick was right, and King eternally seethes as a result.
I have only read about 7 or 8 King novels in my life, but with the exception of Carrie (his first novel) all of them would have been much better with about 40% cut. He got so famous so early that he was allowed to publish anything he wanted, without an editor cutting out the fat, so to speak. The word count he devotes to redundant scenes in his novels is really crazy. He'll have like 8 different chapters devoted to some town drunk abusing his wife. It like, motherfucker we get it! Move on!
>Did he succeed?
Grandly. All supernatural horror is still just a bad caricature of The Shining, from the cinematography to the score to the performances and scares. Just like 2001, Kubrick established a template that has yet to be surpassed. The proof is that millions upon millions of people are still watching these movies, both old and new audiences.
What is the shining about, or , comparatively what is it about. And please, use descriptive words.
What about the Shining makes people go full schizo? They treat this film like it's one big conspiracy theory connected to every event in human history, why?
>They treat this film like it's one big conspiracy theory connected to every event in human history, why?
When stupid people can't understant basic concepts and motivations, they concoct overly complicated explanations to make up for their lack of understanding.
Yes.
It's a fantastic movie, so many people think there has to be more to it. The people you're talking about subscribe to a philosophy called synchromysticism, where they believe everything in the world is connected and they analyze movies they consider "worthy of analysis", the most prominent of which is The Shining. They also analyze other Kubrick movies, Spielberg movies, Pulp Fiction, Die Hard, Apocalypse Now, etc. and they think there's some great secret that will be unlocked by connecting all these dots.
It's really a meaningless movie. It's all style no substance. There is no message or moral or rhyme or reason to any of it. For a movie to be meaningful it has to have some sort of universal message. A message that transcends the movie. For instance, The Shining could be about alcoholism/ quitting alcohol. That is the closest it comes to actually being about something. But it doesn't really get there. So instead it's just a meaningless bunch of ideas thrown together than just amounts to 'ooh here's a weird thing.'
t. brainlet who can't into supernatural phenomena
For instance someone just posted pic rel. This is an example of a movie where the esoteric and weirdness actually has a point. The Shining doesn't, unless
wants to explain it.
People that need art explained to them should neck themselves.
it's from a time when movies didn't have to push a woke narrative. It must be weird for kids today to watch a movie that doesn't tell them what to think.
The Shining’s Thesis: The White Man’s Burden is a generational cycle of substance and domestic abuse born from centuries of violence committed toward from native americans and moron cooks.
It’s because the director was a goonball.
Stanley Kubrick earned a reputation for being meticulous, and this has subsequently been retranslated as "purposeful" before again moulting and becoming "without error". Having assumed this final form, any discrepancy which exists in the final product is therefore assumed to be both purposeful and genius. Whether it is or it isn't. With the director notoriously tight-lipped about such details while alive, and now no longer able to confirm or deny, then there is no way to separate error from purpose. This being so, and errors being factually unable to lead to coherent clues, some people become trapped in a cycle of deeper and deeper rationalization to the point where they may waste months - perhaps years - perhaps decades - pondering why a lightbulb in one scene is lit but in another it is not. I personally believe Stanley was clever, but liked to take the piss, and people smply haven't figured out when he was and when he wasn't.
The Shining’s Thesis: The White Man’s Burden is a generational cycle of substance and domestic abuse born from centuries of violence committed toward from native americans and moron cooks.
Kubrick was autistic as shit with details to the most miniscule of scenes. Combine that with a spooky hotel full of weird stuff happening and you are rife with potential to discuss and theorize.
Most of his films have a very clear theme to draw interpretations from, Shinning leaves you asking so many questions that you can spend hours trying to connect the dots
Nah
Kubrick a hack
Apparently everyone was filtered day 1
Atmospherically, perhaps.
Ultimately, nah.
Yes.
No
wtf does this poster have to do with anything in the film?
Kubrick actually specifically instructed how the poster should look, something about it being surreal and mysterious. I'm too lazy to find his notes but you should find them easily in a search
Uhh I think that's wrong actually. He gave instructions but left it to the discretion of his lad Leon Vitali.
He let Leon direct the trailers.
Kubrick is the kind of guy who works with a small amount of people but ultimately places trust in them to make their own decisions, exacting as he may seem.
Tell me what it is about
He already wanted to kill his family before going to the hotel. The supernatural stuff was meaningless.
Kubrick is a hack. Stephen King is a gay pedo.
>He already wanted to kill his family before going to the hotel. The supernatural stuff was meaningless.
I'm sorry, is there supposed to be a critique layered in here?
Redrum
watch The Making of The Shining by his daughter, basically just went around filming them filming when she was a teenager.
dude was just some geeky guy really into filmmaking. there was definitely some schizo/autist logic to it all that we'll never fully understand without computer-simulating his exact brain, or something.
The making of is scripted.
Qrd?
what do you mean? just seems like candid footage of Nicholson bouncing about, Spacek saying some stuff, a few engineers working on a snow machine.
you're saying they wrote that? the non-actors were delivering lines?
>Spacek saying some stuff
kek
i see what i've done.
I think you'd best see yourself out, son.
made a right hash of things, haven't i?
not going out though. determined to see this one through. it's my penance.
anyway The Shining has two concrete supernatural elements:
>photograph of Jack at the end
>ghosts opening the pantry door
>anyway The Shining has two concrete supernatural elements:
of Jack at the end
opening the pantry door
True
Not to mention at a certain point, meek but otherwise unaffected Wendy starts seeing shit. One after another, the bear fellatio, Delbert Grady all bloodied up, the room full of skellingtons.
Unlikely that would all be hallucination
>Unlikely that would all be hallucination
why? very clear Cindy has mental issues from the start.
>why? very clear Cindy has mental issues from the start.
Disagree, she only seems like a timid wife in denial of her husbands violent temper.
>The Shining has two concrete supernatural elements:
of Jack at the end
opening the pantry door
There is also the Shining itself, which is a supernatural power. There is also the appearance of all the ghosts in the climax.
The Shining isn’t supernatural, it’s just inherent psychic ability, King expands on this in the sequel and the dark tower nonsense. The Hotel itself is a supernatural malevolent entity that wants to consume Danny’s psychic ability (his shine). Then there’s the whole thing about breakers and beams and other shit, like I said it’s YA nonsense. Kubrick didn’t want to include all that shit and he was right.
Duvall
out of all horror movies ive watched the shining the most. once you start that movie you just get sucked into it and cant stop watching. no other horror movie makes you feel the same way the shining does, it taps into this very specific ice cold dreadful chill that no other horror move has ever captured before or since
The Shining’s Thesis: The White Man’s Burden is a generational cycle of substance and domestic abuse born from centuries of violence committed toward native americans and moron cooks.
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