>In the book, he already knew (I think)
I believe this is the case. In the movie he is all retarded and expecting a royal welcome, in the book it's more like "hey I'm a dwarf let's go underground, we'd be better off dealing with that shit instead of this mountain or Sauronman"
He did. Gimli mentioned a party heading out to Moria 30 years before the events the Council of Elrond.
To my knowledge at least. There are some really knowledgeable Anons who might be able to correct me/expand further though.
>He did. Gimli mentioned a party heading out to Moria 30 years before the events the Council of Elrond.
In the book, he already knew (I think)
How did he not know Moria got BTFO?
https://i.imgur.com/GOL9ftm.jpg
Let us go through the Mines of Moria
do you guys really not know it was BALIN who took the party to retard moria? hes the old dwarf from the hobbit. gimili is also the son of the red haired dwarf from the hobbit too if you didnt know
so is that map just 100% headcanon? i dont remember tolkien ever producing anything like that
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No it's not made by Tolkien. It's clearly based off of his descriptions in the book though.
3 weeks ago
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no I think we should call it Retard Moria
3 weeks ago
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did tolkien make that?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's from The Atlas of Middle-earth (1981) by Karen Wynn Fonstad based on Tolkien's writings and descriptions. >The atlas has been warmly received by Tolkien scholars, who have called it both authorized and magisterial, providing in particular a comprehensive set of thematic maps of Middle-earth.
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>Tolkien scholars
the same ones that praise shit like rangs uh pawa? its not from tolkien so its meaningless. you can like it but dont act like its canon. i like silmarilian but never forget its not a book by tolkien
3 weeks ago
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IIRC it was just one prominent tolkien scholar that was part of the promotion of RoP. He was consulted by the team and appeared in marketing videos.
But then after it was released he made his own videos where he complemented some things but also criticised far too much for him to be ever hired again.
I can't remember all the details but I watched a critical yt video of his and it seems like he was duped a bit.
3 weeks ago
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so i assume he gave back all his money that amazon paid him?
in no way is your statement a defense of him. youre literally just describing "this guy cashed out and """tolkien scholars""" will say or agree with literally anything if they think its popular or if they get money for it
3 weeks ago
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>gave back all his money that amazon paid him
Lol, why? Amazon were the one's that lied to him in the first place about the project. Once he saw the released product he was overtly critical.
If I was him I'd have kept the money too. Fuck amazon, they're worth 3tril; they can afford to lose whatever they paid the guy.
He would've lost more integrity if he STILL praised it after the failed abortion got sharted out.
3 weeks ago
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>Lol, why?
because its obvious to everyone that amazon was going to be retarded nagger shit and this guy was just looking to get some cash and then pretend that he didnt know after the fact while keeping all the money. israelites are currently making a power play in the world so you better get real familiar with their behavior and tactics
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Tolkien scholars
It's from The Atlas of Middle-earth (1981) by Karen Wynn Fonstad based on Tolkien's writings and descriptions. >The atlas has been warmly received by Tolkien scholars, who have called it both authorized and magisterial, providing in particular a comprehensive set of thematic maps of Middle-earth.
Trying to find a copy of the following;
>The New Tolkien Newsletter: A Review of the Works of J. R. R. Tolkien, September 1982
There are other contemporary reviews of the work.
>Reviews >Review by Ian D. Smith (1981) in The New Tolkien Newsletter: A Review of the Works of J. R. R. Tolkien, September 1982, (1982) >Review by Jeff Frane (1981) in Locus, #245 June 1981 >Review by Baird Searles (1981) in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, November 23, 1981 >Review by Lewis Pulsipher (1983) in Dragon Magazine, April 1983
Reviews at that time should not be subject to today's bias. It would be interesting to see what people thought of it at the time.
>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?913898
3 weeks ago
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im confused on how this is supposed to prove that tolkien drew those maps
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Anonymous
It's not.
I'm just wondering what contemporaneous accounts of the work suggest about it and its fealty to Tolkien.
I'd like to read them, and would be interested in what people close to the time thought about how close they might be to Tolkien's work.
Can't find them them though.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
people didnt even know what sauron was and assumed he was an elf before chris published silmarillion. people who arent tolkien have no business writing tolkien lore
in the old middle-earth descriptions books like you one you posted but before the silmarillion was published they were publishing that sauron was an elf
3 weeks ago
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>Contemporaneous >Happening or existing at the same period of time
Today I learned a new word
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is the 2017 reprint any good?
Even if it's not canon, it could be good for inspiration and the like
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Tolkien scholars
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Anonymous
The Dwarves all used the Abyss as a toilet and that's what woke up and upset the Balrog
>Stay close, young investors >They say a start-up does business in these woods >A silicon valley whizz kid of terrible power >All who attend a presentation fall under her spell and are never seen again
>Well, here's one trader she won't ensnare so easily >I have the venture capital of Warren Buffet and the diamond hands of J.P. Morgan
so is that map just 100% headcanon? i dont remember tolkien ever producing anything like that
No it's not made by Tolkien. It's clearly based off of his descriptions in the book though.
>It's clearly based off of his descriptions in the book though.
is it? should moria really have all those "orc and troll tunnels'? were those mentioned in the books? why would orcs send any time at all making new tunnels and what suggests there were so many trolls there?
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>is it?
Yes.
I'll admit you won't find a paragraph describing "troll tunnels" or whatever, but there are plenty of references to tunnels and caves that lead to parts unknown. You're kind of supposed to use your imagination (call it head cannon if you like)
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no its retarded because moria is already thousands of years old and developed and orc naggers just ran in and took over. there is no need for them to just randomly dig tunnels. it hasnt even been in orc hands for that long by lotr history standards
3 weeks ago
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whoever said they dug the tunnels? maybe the orcs/trolls are known to inhabit them and that's how they got named.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
trolls could've been living in those tunnels before the dwarves arrived
I hate this map. It's so stupid and the scale is ridiculously off. According to this the Chamber of Marzarbul is over 2 leagues across. Someone had fun doodling squiggly shapes and then tried to slap a key on it after the fact. Also FUCK that Endless Stair, it's a staircase, not a celtic knot.
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exactly why we should call it Retard Moria, at least that interpretation of it
The mountainhomes were utterly isolated from eachother and not being in contact for hundreds to thousands of years at a time was the norm. The families just figured the other families were doing their thing
He was coping hard. >We haven't heard from them since they went in, they're probably doing great! I'm sure they got rid of all the orcs and Durin's Bane is just a myth!
Dwarfs who went there did so against king's orders, so they had no outside help and communication, and the shame of losing face would never allow them to send a message until they reclaim Moria
>Gimli and the rest having a hell of a time trudging through the deep snow >Legolas effortlessly walking on top, rolling his eyes at how long this is taking due to how slow everyone else is
It’s probably just orlando bloom being a bad actor and jackson not realizing it needed to a reshoot until it was too late
>So do elves just not get cold?
no obviously. do you really think it was a mistake in the film that they forgot to give legolas winter gear while everyone else does? the point of the scene is literally to show legolas walking on snow and not being cold
>They have taken the revolving door and the lobby: We have barred the elevator >But cannot pay them dividends for long >The share price shakes >margin calls in the deep >we cannot cash out >a creditor moves in the dark >will no one bail us out? >They are coming
>Bailiffs lurk in the reception. We cannot bailout. They are coming.
>He's still trading!
>I'm alright. I'm still solvent.
>You should be crashed. That short sell would've bankrupted a fortune 500!
>I think there is more to this CEO than meets the eye.
>Derivatives! You are full of surprises, Mr. Baggins
>They have taken the revolving door and the lobby: We have barred the elevator >But cannot pay them dividends for long >The share price shakes >margin calls in the deep >we cannot cash out >a creditor moves in the dark >will no one bail us out? >They are coming
>Take some rest... these portfolios are well insured
>I will find no rest here. >I heard her voice inside my head. >She spoke of my father and the dip of McGondor ldt. >And she said to me: "Even now there is capital left." >But I cannot see it. It is long since we had any re-financing
>My father is a business savvy man, but his tenure is failing and our... our shareholders lose faith >He looks to me to make things right >And I would do it, I would see the all-time-high of market value restored. >Have you ever seen it, Aragorn? The white highrise of Ecthelion, glimmering like a line of cocaine >Its glass facade caught high in the Hudson Bay breeze >Have you ever been called home by the clear ringing of a gold plated landline phone?
>I have seen the white boardroom, long ago.
>One day our paths will lead us there, and the Vice-Presidents shall take up the call "the absentee shareholders of McGondor ldt. have returned"
>Let us go through the mines of Moria ("death" in spanish) >Good idea, but first let me check with my good wizard friend Sauronman
How that hack got this pos published I'll never know
That's literally the point. It wasn't known as 'Moria' (The Black Pit) until after it had been destroyed and infested with orcs. The Dwarves called it Khazad-dûm before.
>Arvedui (T.A. 1864 – 1974, died aged 110) was the fifteenth and last king of Arthedain, >Arvedui means "Last King", from the Sindarin
Why was Tolkien such a hack?
>Confound it all, Samwise Gamgee-Fried, have you been shortselling! >I haven't been selling no shorts, sir, honest! I was just doing the accounts under the table there if you follow me. >A little late for cooking the books, don't you think? >I heard raised prices... >What did you hear? SPEAK! >N-n-nothin' important! That is a I heard a good deal about an audit, and a rug pull, and somethin' about the end of the credit. Please Mr. Gandalf sir, don't hurt me. Don't turn me into anything...unprofitable.
youre a retarded nagger and the point of them is to make fun of fat fuck grrrmms """criticism""" of tolkien complaining that we didnt get aragorns tax policy because its such a retarded and brain dead thing to say
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youre a retarded nagger and the point of them is to make fun of fat fuck grrrmms """criticism""" of tolkien complaining that we didnt get aragorns tax policy because its such a retarded and brain dead thing to say
imagine being such a retard you went full circle on taxposting.
huh? what are you talking about? i'm the first poster you responded to but i don't understand what you're trying to say
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The ridiculousness of the tax comment is in part to the fact that Interviewers constantly ask GRRM to compare his work to Tolkien. Jacksonfags have no concept of the context and keep perpetuating the idea that fat fuck sits around 24/7 and seethes about Tolkien but thats not surprising considering most LOTR threads are filled with people who haven't read either of their works but decided that Tolkien some sacred cow of white culture.
3 weeks ago
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i still don't understand how that's "coming full circle" or how it's related to my post
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>some sacred cow of white culture.
Post-modernist get ye gone.
>Let us go through the mines of Moria ("death" in spanish) >Good idea, but first let me check with my good wizard friend Sauronman
How that hack got this pos published I'll never know
moria doesnt sound anything like muerte youre just spics
your entire point is just a fantasy you have in your head. moria starts with an "m" so it comes from muerte? do all "m" words come from the """proto indo european""" word for death?
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no, not really, the latin root mori is even closer to moria than muerte. also the infinitive in spanish for the verb is morir. the french and italian and romanian and portuguese words for death are similar too. so is the slavic smert
you're just angry and uneducated. i'm sorry you're like this but being angry doesn't make you right. anybody who's got half a brain notices this similarity.
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>american thinks proto indo-european is a made up term
you cannot make this stuff up
>Let us go through the mines of Moria ("death" in spanish) >Good idea, but first let me check with my good wizard friend Sauronman
How that hack got this pos published I'll never know
And this is a bad thing because...?
Tolkein was Professor of Languages you know, so it makes sense that he drew inspiration from that.
The debt cannot be cleared, Gimli son of Gloin, by any payment plan you here suggest. The loan was issued by JP Goldstien and sons. Only with them can it unmade.
you want it to be perfectly straight or something? It's super deep caverns and openings many not even made by Dwarves just found down there in the Abyss when they woke up the Balrog.
you want it to be perfectly straight or something? It's super deep caverns and openings many not even made by Dwarves just found down there in the Abyss when they woke up the Balrog.
no the point. im pointing out that that was the thought process since their is no way for them to know what tolkien would have done or envisioned. its completely 100% headcanon
>100% headcanon
so? headcannon is required to actually visualize any of this stuff because no author can ever fully describe something.
It's called imagination
I don't think this is headcannon.
Headcannon is deciding they couldn't take the eagles because of Sauron's air defense.
Headcannon is coming up with stories about the blue wizards and their involvement in the war of the ring.
This squiggly line is just what happened. We know that Gandalf and the Balrog had a running battle through Moria, and we know Moria has many tunnels and caves.
>Headcannon is deciding they couldn't take the eagles because of Sauron's air defense
thats not headcanon you dumb lorelet nagger. its right in the book itself that the nazgul are guarding the borders of mordor until the war with gondor starts
its a fucking map. the only point of it is to be precise
>hey your map is wrong, this isint how you get to X >well we know you get to X by following roads and this map has you following roads so actually its 100% correct bud deal with it
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>nazgul are guarding the borders of mordo
that's not the actual lore reason they can't take the eagles though. I myself prefer the headcannon version. >its a fucking map. the only point of it is to be precise
are you planning on going to Moria and retracing Gandalf's steps? Fuck off with this nonsense.
3 weeks ago
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>are you planning on going to Moria and retracing Gandalf's steps? Fuck off with this nonsense.
i accept your concession
3 weeks ago
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I we are just gonna make stuff up then I accept your defeat.
you don't go up a mountain or down into a cave system in a straight fucking line dude. should they draw a straight line? the fuck is your problem? do you know? does anyone? tolkien probably didn't know, and he's been dead for decades.
no one knows any of that except legolas knowing about balrogs and presumably morgoth. legolas and aragorn were both floored to see gandalf back alive. it actually seems that only the elvish israeli elite know what gandalf really is and is doing
3 weeks ago
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Aragorn was floored that Frodo didn't get killed by an orc with a spear, he isn't exactly hard to impress
3 weeks ago
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right because he didnt know he had on a mithril shirt on. just like how he doesnt know shit about gandalf you dumb idiot stupid dork
3 weeks ago
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ok, then what about when he gets surprised by Frodo turning invisible in Bree? Guy just gets startled easy
3 weeks ago
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ok now youre just being silly
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He gets surprised that Gollum can keep up with their elf boats on the river too, I bet he would be the kind of guy to jump if you popped around a corner too quickly
3 weeks ago
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right because he didnt know he had on a mithril shirt on. just like how he doesnt know shit about gandalf you dumb idiot stupid dork
>What is this new devilry? >Gandalf: A Balrog... a demon of the Ancient World. This foe is beyond any of you. RUN!
Gandalf did tell them its name, and they knew it was serious business. >Darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time... The stars wheeled overhead, and every day was as long as a life age of the earth... But it was not the end. I felt life in me again. I've been sent back until my task is done.
He also tells them he was sent back to complete his task. And they all have long known he is a wizard, has magical powers and is even part of an order of wizards.
How did he not know Moria got BTFO?
no cell signal under the mountain
In the book, he already knew (I think)
>In the book, he already knew (I think)
I believe this is the case. In the movie he is all retarded and expecting a royal welcome, in the book it's more like "hey I'm a dwarf let's go underground, we'd be better off dealing with that shit instead of this mountain or Sauronman"
He did. Gimli mentioned a party heading out to Moria 30 years before the events the Council of Elrond.
To my knowledge at least. There are some really knowledgeable Anons who might be able to correct me/expand further though.
>He did. Gimli mentioned a party heading out to Moria 30 years before the events the Council of Elrond.
do you guys really not know it was BALIN who took the party to retard moria? hes the old dwarf from the hobbit. gimili is also the son of the red haired dwarf from the hobbit too if you didnt know
>retard
restart*
no I think we should call it Retard Moria
so is that map just 100% headcanon? i dont remember tolkien ever producing anything like that
No it's not made by Tolkien. It's clearly based off of his descriptions in the book though.
did tolkien make that?
It's from The Atlas of Middle-earth (1981) by Karen Wynn Fonstad based on Tolkien's writings and descriptions.
>The atlas has been warmly received by Tolkien scholars, who have called it both authorized and magisterial, providing in particular a comprehensive set of thematic maps of Middle-earth.
>Tolkien scholars
the same ones that praise shit like rangs uh pawa? its not from tolkien so its meaningless. you can like it but dont act like its canon. i like silmarilian but never forget its not a book by tolkien
IIRC it was just one prominent tolkien scholar that was part of the promotion of RoP. He was consulted by the team and appeared in marketing videos.
But then after it was released he made his own videos where he complemented some things but also criticised far too much for him to be ever hired again.
I can't remember all the details but I watched a critical yt video of his and it seems like he was duped a bit.
so i assume he gave back all his money that amazon paid him?
in no way is your statement a defense of him. youre literally just describing "this guy cashed out and """tolkien scholars""" will say or agree with literally anything if they think its popular or if they get money for it
>gave back all his money that amazon paid him
Lol, why? Amazon were the one's that lied to him in the first place about the project. Once he saw the released product he was overtly critical.
If I was him I'd have kept the money too. Fuck amazon, they're worth 3tril; they can afford to lose whatever they paid the guy.
He would've lost more integrity if he STILL praised it after the failed abortion got sharted out.
>Lol, why?
because its obvious to everyone that amazon was going to be retarded nagger shit and this guy was just looking to get some cash and then pretend that he didnt know after the fact while keeping all the money. israelites are currently making a power play in the world so you better get real familiar with their behavior and tactics
Trying to find a copy of the following;
>The New Tolkien Newsletter: A Review of the Works of J. R. R. Tolkien, September 1982
There are other contemporary reviews of the work.
>Reviews
>Review by Ian D. Smith (1981) in The New Tolkien Newsletter: A Review of the Works of J. R. R. Tolkien, September 1982, (1982)
>Review by Jeff Frane (1981) in Locus, #245 June 1981
>Review by Baird Searles (1981) in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, November 23, 1981
>Review by Lewis Pulsipher (1983) in Dragon Magazine, April 1983
Reviews at that time should not be subject to today's bias. It would be interesting to see what people thought of it at the time.
>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?913898
im confused on how this is supposed to prove that tolkien drew those maps
It's not.
I'm just wondering what contemporaneous accounts of the work suggest about it and its fealty to Tolkien.
I'd like to read them, and would be interested in what people close to the time thought about how close they might be to Tolkien's work.
Can't find them them though.
people didnt even know what sauron was and assumed he was an elf before chris published silmarillion. people who arent tolkien have no business writing tolkien lore
in the old middle-earth descriptions books like you one you posted but before the silmarillion was published they were publishing that sauron was an elf
>Contemporaneous
>Happening or existing at the same period of time
Today I learned a new word
Is the 2017 reprint any good?
Even if it's not canon, it could be good for inspiration and the like
>Tolkien scholars
The Dwarves all used the Abyss as a toilet and that's what woke up and upset the Balrog
>no I think we should call it Retard Moria
this
>Stay close, young investors
>They say a start-up does business in these woods
>A silicon valley whizz kid of terrible power
>All who attend a presentation fall under her spell and are never seen again
>Well, here's one trader she won't ensnare so easily
>I have the venture capital of Warren Buffet and the diamond hands of J.P. Morgan
>It's clearly based off of his descriptions in the book though.
is it? should moria really have all those "orc and troll tunnels'? were those mentioned in the books? why would orcs send any time at all making new tunnels and what suggests there were so many trolls there?
>is it?
Yes.
I'll admit you won't find a paragraph describing "troll tunnels" or whatever, but there are plenty of references to tunnels and caves that lead to parts unknown. You're kind of supposed to use your imagination (call it head cannon if you like)
no its retarded because moria is already thousands of years old and developed and orc naggers just ran in and took over. there is no need for them to just randomly dig tunnels. it hasnt even been in orc hands for that long by lotr history standards
whoever said they dug the tunnels? maybe the orcs/trolls are known to inhabit them and that's how they got named.
trolls could've been living in those tunnels before the dwarves arrived
>a scale of twenty leagues
lmao what?
1 league (le) = 15,840 ft or 5,280 yd = 4.828 km
i know what a league is, i'm saying that's much too large
I hate this map. It's so stupid and the scale is ridiculously off. According to this the Chamber of Marzarbul is over 2 leagues across. Someone had fun doodling squiggly shapes and then tried to slap a key on it after the fact. Also FUCK that Endless Stair, it's a staircase, not a celtic knot.
exactly why we should call it Retard Moria, at least that interpretation of it
He didn't know for certain. Finding Balin's Tomb was a shock to him.
The mountainhomes were utterly isolated from eachother and not being in contact for hundreds to thousands of years at a time was the norm. The families just figured the other families were doing their thing
The solar flare took out Middle Earth’s internet
He was in denial
Why didnt Frodo or Gandalf know?
Why would they?
You barely even know what happens in Germany and that's with the internet.
trips for the real questions
>denial
with Napoleon
He was coping hard.
>We haven't heard from them since they went in, they're probably doing great! I'm sure they got rid of all the orcs and Durin's Bane is just a myth!
Dwarfs who went there did so against king's orders, so they had no outside help and communication, and the shame of losing face would never allow them to send a message until they reclaim Moria
*forgot to add
Also it would be shameful for Gimli to think that his relative failed the mission
Can they review our portfolios and provide free consultation?
And to think they call it a mine, HA. A MINE!
LOL, LMAO even
Why was he laughing and joking about that? They called it a mine because they mined materials right?
because it's a really fancy mine.
it's like calling a luxury resort a "hotel". technically true, but it's vastly underselling it.
resorts tend not to be full of spooky skeletons and goblins and shit
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nagger
OOOOOOH LAWDY DIS WYTE BOI RAYCIS
DEM RANGZ
He insists on posting that low res image to mock me.
damn right
If he REALLY wanted to mock you, he'd put a transparent Nikocado asshole in it.
Probably shouldn't give him ideas...
He is far too lazy for that
correct. if such a thing ever happens it will be by the hands of an imposter.
I’m going to hurt you.
>widescreen with visible borders
“No.”
Just cause you make it bigger doesn't increase the resolution, that's still blurry as shit.
>Gimli and the rest having a hell of a time trudging through the deep snow
>Legolas effortlessly walking on top, rolling his eyes at how long this is taking due to how slow everyone else is
So do elves just not get cold?
I used to be able to do that on slightly frozen snow while my fat friends sunk
It’s probably just orlando bloom being a bad actor and jackson not realizing it needed to a reshoot until it was too late
>So do elves just not get cold?
no obviously. do you really think it was a mistake in the film that they forgot to give legolas winter gear while everyone else does? the point of the scene is literally to show legolas walking on snow and not being cold
it was improvisation
>it's salt
>You fear to go into those boardrooms, don't you? The dwarves have speculated too greedily and too deep.
>You know what they awoke in the darkness, paradigms and best practices.
>this vertical market integration is beyond any of you
>sell!
>let the minority decide
guys its almost chrismas cant we get along
>There is something down there.
>It's Gollum
>Gollum!
>He has been our follower investor for three days.
>He escaped the insolvency proceedings of Barad-York?
>Escaped... or was bailed out. And now the Stock has drawn him here... he will never be rid of his need for it.
>MY DIVIDEENNDSSS
Cinemaphile has some great memes
M-O-O-O-R-I-A-A
LULZ for all boards when?
>They have taken the revolving door and the lobby: We have barred the elevator
>But cannot pay them dividends for long
>The share price shakes
>margin calls in the deep
>we cannot cash out
>a creditor moves in the dark
>will no one bail us out?
>They are coming
>Bailiffs lurk in the reception. We cannot bailout. They are coming.
>He's still trading!
>I'm alright. I'm still solvent.
>You should be crashed. That short sell would've bankrupted a fortune 500!
>I think there is more to this CEO than meets the eye.
>Derivatives! You are full of surprises, Mr. Baggins
The Lord of Ring: Gollum tv series when?
ISIIILDUUUR FILE FOR BANKRUPCY
>Take some rest... these portfolios are well insured
>I will find no rest here.
>I heard her voice inside my head.
>She spoke of my father and the dip of McGondor ldt.
>And she said to me: "Even now there is capital left."
>But I cannot see it. It is long since we had any re-financing
>My father is a business savvy man, but his tenure is failing and our... our shareholders lose faith
>He looks to me to make things right
>And I would do it, I would see the all-time-high of market value restored.
>Have you ever seen it, Aragorn? The white highrise of Ecthelion, glimmering like a line of cocaine
>Its glass facade caught high in the Hudson Bay breeze
>Have you ever been called home by the clear ringing of a gold plated landline phone?
>I have seen the white boardroom, long ago.
>One day our paths will lead us there, and the Vice-Presidents shall take up the call "the absentee shareholders of McGondor ldt. have returned"
>McGondor
>Let us go through the mines of Moria ("death" in spanish)
>Good idea, but first let me check with my good wizard friend Sauronman
How that hack got this pos published I'll never know
>why if it isn't my trusty advisor, Grimey Liarmouth, surely he will advise me truthfully!
That's literally the point. It wasn't known as 'Moria' (The Black Pit) until after it had been destroyed and infested with orcs. The Dwarves called it Khazad-dûm before.
>Arvedui (T.A. 1864 – 1974, died aged 110) was the fifteenth and last king of Arthedain,
>Arvedui means "Last King", from the Sindarin
Why was Tolkien such a hack?
>Arvedui's name meant "Last King" in Sindarin, and he was named so due to a prophecy by Malbeth the Seer spoken to his father at Arvedui's birth:
What the fuck was his problem?
>Confound it all, Samwise Gamgee-Fried, have you been shortselling!
>I haven't been selling no shorts, sir, honest! I was just doing the accounts under the table there if you follow me.
>A little late for cooking the books, don't you think?
>I heard raised prices...
>What did you hear? SPEAK!
>N-n-nothin' important! That is a I heard a good deal about an audit, and a rug pull, and somethin' about the end of the credit. Please Mr. Gandalf sir, don't hurt me. Don't turn me into anything...unprofitable.
>another thumbnail thread
>do you have to be like really into finance to find these funny or something?
no, just an average IQ suffices
i thought so too
youre a retarded nagger and the point of them is to make fun of fat fuck grrrmms """criticism""" of tolkien complaining that we didnt get aragorns tax policy because its such a retarded and brain dead thing to say
>The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.
Why are his metaphors like this?
hes insecure and tries too hard aka reddit incarnate
same reason he thinks he can critique tolkien
he spends half his day naked on the toilet so it's all he can think about
he's such a disgusting freak
imagine being such a retard you went full circle on taxposting.
huh? what are you talking about? i'm the first poster you responded to but i don't understand what you're trying to say
The ridiculousness of the tax comment is in part to the fact that Interviewers constantly ask GRRM to compare his work to Tolkien. Jacksonfags have no concept of the context and keep perpetuating the idea that fat fuck sits around 24/7 and seethes about Tolkien but thats not surprising considering most LOTR threads are filled with people who haven't read either of their works but decided that Tolkien some sacred cow of white culture.
i still don't understand how that's "coming full circle" or how it's related to my post
>some sacred cow of white culture.
Post-modernist get ye gone.
You are trying too hard. Go back.
trying too hard to do what?
RoP sucked so hard, it makes the Hobbit Trilogy look like a masterpiece. I mean, you have amazon money, just hire LITERALLY the same people.
good idea gimli
>let us go to the mines of muerte, formerly called castle doom
brilliant
moria doesnt sound anything like muerte youre just spics
that word for death has its origins in proto indo european
you know spanish is a european language right you dumb 60iq taco nagger?
yeah, do you? you keep talking about non-europeans and you don't seem to understand that that root is present in multiple european languages
your entire point is just a fantasy you have in your head. moria starts with an "m" so it comes from muerte? do all "m" words come from the """proto indo european""" word for death?
no, not really, the latin root mori is even closer to moria than muerte. also the infinitive in spanish for the verb is morir. the french and italian and romanian and portuguese words for death are similar too. so is the slavic smert
you're just angry and uneducated. i'm sorry you're like this but being angry doesn't make you right. anybody who's got half a brain notices this similarity.
>american thinks proto indo-european is a made up term
you cannot make this stuff up
And this is a bad thing because...?
Tolkein was Professor of Languages you know, so it makes sense that he drew inspiration from that.
yeah! and also it's not castle doom, it's khazad dum! i'm starting to think this so-called "Anonymous" guy doesn't know what he's talking about!
Let's not, breh. That place sucks ass.
The debt cannot be cleared, Gimli son of Gloin, by any payment plan you here suggest. The loan was issued by JP Goldstien and sons. Only with them can it unmade.
why didnt gimli know how to enter moria? how did balin do it?
>lets just make gandalfs and the balrogs journey randomly really squiggly because we have nothing to go off of
you want it to be perfectly straight or something? It's super deep caverns and openings many not even made by Dwarves just found down there in the Abyss when they woke up the Balrog.
it probably wasn't a straight line though
no the point. im pointing out that that was the thought process since their is no way for them to know what tolkien would have done or envisioned. its completely 100% headcanon
>100% headcanon
so? headcannon is required to actually visualize any of this stuff because no author can ever fully describe something.
It's called imagination
You must admit it’s taken on a life of its own with Tolkien
I don't think this is headcannon.
Headcannon is deciding they couldn't take the eagles because of Sauron's air defense.
Headcannon is coming up with stories about the blue wizards and their involvement in the war of the ring.
This squiggly line is just what happened. We know that Gandalf and the Balrog had a running battle through Moria, and we know Moria has many tunnels and caves.
>Headcannon is deciding they couldn't take the eagles because of Sauron's air defense
thats not headcanon you dumb lorelet nagger. its right in the book itself that the nazgul are guarding the borders of mordor until the war with gondor starts
its a fucking map. the only point of it is to be precise
>hey your map is wrong, this isint how you get to X
>well we know you get to X by following roads and this map has you following roads so actually its 100% correct bud deal with it
>nazgul are guarding the borders of mordo
that's not the actual lore reason they can't take the eagles though. I myself prefer the headcannon version.
>its a fucking map. the only point of it is to be precise
are you planning on going to Moria and retracing Gandalf's steps? Fuck off with this nonsense.
>are you planning on going to Moria and retracing Gandalf's steps? Fuck off with this nonsense.
i accept your concession
I we are just gonna make stuff up then I accept your defeat.
you don't go up a mountain or down into a cave system in a straight fucking line dude. should they draw a straight line? the fuck is your problem? do you know? does anyone? tolkien probably didn't know, and he's been dead for decades.
they should draw anything is the point and youre making my point for me
are you israeli by chance?
>they should draw anything is the point and youre making my point for me
that's what they did
>are you israeli by chance?
nope
oops shouldnt*
>shouldnt*
kek yeah I knew what you meant lol
but I guess we will have to agree to disagree
i'm supposed to believe 6 million goblins were killed here?
Am I forgetting something?
I thought they fought on a tower somewhere up the side of the mountain, not on the peak?
>Gandalf: From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak, I fought with the Balrog of Morgoth
nope it was the tower on the peak
>oh neat gandalf. but what is a balrog. who is morgoth. whats your real name if it isnt gandalf? why are you alive? how can you do magic?
Everyone he was talking to would know that, excluding Gimli in the Jackson films since he is a retard.
no one knows any of that except legolas knowing about balrogs and presumably morgoth. legolas and aragorn were both floored to see gandalf back alive. it actually seems that only the elvish israeli elite know what gandalf really is and is doing
Aragorn was floored that Frodo didn't get killed by an orc with a spear, he isn't exactly hard to impress
right because he didnt know he had on a mithril shirt on. just like how he doesnt know shit about gandalf you dumb idiot stupid dork
ok, then what about when he gets surprised by Frodo turning invisible in Bree? Guy just gets startled easy
ok now youre just being silly
He gets surprised that Gollum can keep up with their elf boats on the river too, I bet he would be the kind of guy to jump if you popped around a corner too quickly
>What is this new devilry?
>Gandalf: A Balrog... a demon of the Ancient World. This foe is beyond any of you. RUN!
Gandalf did tell them its name, and they knew it was serious business.
>Darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time... The stars wheeled overhead, and every day was as long as a life age of the earth... But it was not the end. I felt life in me again. I've been sent back until my task is done.
He also tells them he was sent back to complete his task. And they all have long known he is a wizard, has magical powers and is even part of an order of wizards.
Ah yes the mines of Moria, also known as Castle Doom. What could go wrong?
It’s called kino, which translates to enjoyment in Sugondese
Anyone else rewatch the trilogy on/around Thanksgiving? So comfy to just do nothing but feast and watch the extended editions.
i would not go that way, the dwarves dug to deeply
lies. that's where they keep their plump helmets.