>“To be clear, I think ‘Frozen’s’ great,” Sanders recently told The New York Times while celebrating “Lilo & Stitch’s” 20th anniversary. “But it was a little bit frustrating for me because people were like, ‘Finally, a nonromantic relationship with these two girls,’ and I thought, ‘We did that! That has absolutely been done before.’”
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he's just salty the skinny white b***hes outshone his creations.
Artificially. Lilo and Stitch had far more soul than Frozen.
which one sold more merchandise anon?
the souless
To be fair though, Frozen came out when marketing and advertising was easier than ever with the internet and all.
That's a tough question because Stitch is one of Disney's most marketable characters and has gotten two TV shows outside of the States.
Yeah, I definitely remember the Stitch craze, and maybe it's just childhood nostalgia talking, but I feel like it was actually more popular merchwise than Frozen.
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Stitch was up there with Frozen, I still see merch for him in Walmart and target
Stitch gets more merchandise than Frozen overall
i still see stitch merchandise, he’s kinda like the “deadpool” of disney merch
Frozen it's more popular with children but stitch is way more popular as a mascot, my 52yo mom has a stitch phone case and lots of older girls in Japan have Stitch themed merchandise, it's like Hello Kitty
People talk about Frozen more but I remember Stitch having a shit ton of merch.
it also had a cartoon
>Monster of the week with Stitch's fellow experiments
It was an actually kino formula that worked well.
>more merchandise = better
Anon, please.
I can't believe that people think that Stitch sold anything close to Frozen.
Frozen sold 2/3s of what ALL of the other Disney Princesses did combined. And the others had a 100 year headstart.
Frozen sold so well that it's not even under the Disney Princess line, it's just under its own Frozen line.
You say this as if its a huge own, but Stitch is considered one of the pillars of evergreen Disney merch alongside the Princesses and Mickey.
>all the cope answers to a simple question
Well done anon
>anon gets BTFO for being a dumbass
>l-look at these anons getting triggered LOL
At least pretend like you're not samegayging, this is embarrasing.
>anons replying to the stupid question instead of realizing it doesn't matter because all the profits go to Disney either way
>THE WINNER IS DETERMINED BY FUNKO POP SALES
frick off
>all these seething coomers
lmao I don't get guys why does nobody want to pay money for grotesque island she hulks
lel
Guaranteed Stitch. He’s the type of character that will always be a money maker. Which is funny considering you tried to make it some sort of “gotcha”.
>Honest answer that is opposite to the assertion is coping
Unlike Frozen, the relationship was considered completely normal and did not need special attention. I'm not too sure what he's annoyed about.
>“To be clear, I think ‘Frozen’s’ great,”
Opinion immediately discarded.
He's absolutely right that the payed for media is so desperate to talk about something being "Groundbreaking" for their lasted soulless crapped out product of their overlords who control the narrative they're allowed to spew that it becomes tiresome they keep pretending something is major when it's already been done years prior and they ignored it then because it wasn't as successful as they need to imply their ideals are the majority.
On the other hand, he's probably a little salty Lilo and Stitch got slapped by fricking Ice Age and got relegated to DTTV while that went on to become a billion dollar franchise, but he's still right.
>they keep pretending something is major when it's already been done years prior
>Lesbian moms in TS4.
Like, one scene where you have women holding hands standing next to a child that can be easily edited out?
Same with that lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker. It's in the background and could be easily edited out for East European, Asian, African and Latin American markets.
I'm conflicted about this kind of stuff as an LGBT person because on one hand I hate hollow corporate pandering but on the other hand it makes homophobes really, really mad so I'm forced to defend it anyway
You're on a leash.
We all are, in one way or another.
Including you.
You could have at least made him put the peg in the wrong hole
The joke is being too proud of doing something simple.
Dilate
I started boycotting when they did gay stuff
You know you can agree with your enemy on some things right? That thought process is why shit has gotten as bad as it did.
>LGBT
>has a binary way of thinking.
lmao ironic.
Your dumb ass do know you can vehemently criticize depictions of something for being done in a ass garbage way, and still defend the general concept, right? Or are you terminally Twitter brained?
I don't dislike gays. I dislike homosexuals. If you are gay and act like a normal person then it isn't an issue. However, when you start forcing pride parades and representation down our throats in the name of progressive ideology, you're a homosexual. The same thing applies to lesbians.
>But we have 4 first openly gay disney characters already
>But this ones a strong lesbian mother
>They ALL ARE!
Endgame didin't even introduce the first gay character. You had named gay and lesbian characters running around the MCU for years prior, but everyone turned their brains off about Endgame. That and the overall dogshit plot and character assassinations that movie did.
As a gaynon myself, you shouldn't be defending corporate dogshit to spite homophobes. Stop falling for the lesser or two evils thinking
Didn't they have a gay guy on one of their live action shows like ten years ago?
Atlantis also got slapped by Shrek. CG was the rage back then
Atlantis was also heavily sabotaged by Disney, so that hardly counts.
Treasure Planet was the one that got sabotaged. Atlantis was actively being considered for park expansions and the standard TV show and sequel treatment before it got Shreked.
Yeah it is frustrating that "white" Disney princess 3D animated Barbies singing pop ballad lyrics blew Lilo and Stitch out of the water. You can blame marketing, but really audiences don't enjoy the best things.
Disregarding Pixar movies, Lilo and Stitch and Pirates carried Disney through the late Eisner years. Stitch merch was so huge that the parks effectively treated him as a new member of the Mickey gang. Yeah, the franchise was mainly on TV and video, but that was the norm back then since the core Disney animation studio only rarely did sequels.
Well I think the success of Lilo & Stitch is nothing to scoff at. The original movie alone was fantastic and they got a bunch more content added later at a time when their TV projects still had a budget.
His artstyle will be cemented in the minds of children for years to come, it's been mimicked and payed homage too for over 20 years now. Franchises like Ice Age are looked at with apathy after so many years and ones like Frozen are replaceable. The Lilo & Stitch director has reached heights few can only dream of.
And the porn is better too.
Not only is Lilo & Stitch a better script, it has better crack yuri as well.
That's a cute as frick Nani model. Not bad for 3D.
frick off troony
>Oh my god she is so attractive
Yes that’s true
Is it wrong for a guy to find a sexy woman attractive? Especially if that sexy woman is getting intimate with another sexy woman?
No, it’s literally the purest form of love, especially if they’re sisters
That's not canon?
>lilo and stitch
>older sister has to play parent to a rebellious girl
>frozen
>"YURI INCEST~!"
Just admit Frozen is fetish fuel and be done with it.
This. The only reason frozen is still talked about today is incest shipping.
And the song. Also the amount people obess over Disney princess movies is cult like.
>Sisterhood over romance
Well, I mean, there's a bit of a difference between those two movies in that regard, I think.
Like, you know what I mean. You know.
>Frozen, non romantic
Anna ends up with Kristoff at the end, and she didn't even have a wait period, just jumped from Hans to Kristoff.
Kristoff was just for show.
She actually hooked up with Sven.
Chris should make an R-rated 2D animated movie featuring his girls.
werd. should've gone the don bluth/baski route and did his own stuff.
someone know where to get these sketchbooks online
https://exhentai.org/g/893079/804b747320/
>https://exhentai.org/g/893079/804b747320/
nope doesnt work
>2010+12 Year of Our Lord
>Not being able to get past the sad panda
the page is just fricking blank man, doesnt work on a vpn too
Replace the "x" with a "-" and learn some Cinemaphile coomer basics.
Works on my machine 😉
Chris ever do an actual comic or just sketches/pin ups?
>Finally, a nonromantic relationship with these two girls,’ and I thought, ‘We did that! That has absolutely been done before.’”
I'm fairly confident Lilo and Stich didn't invent sisters not fricking each other
Fair enough. Lilo and Stitch is better.
Still cant come up with a better explanation for Frozens success other than the general public loving the taste of shit and their favorite kind being the anything with a Disney logo on it.
If it were that simple every Disney film with white protagonists would do this well.
It's really that simple. Pretty white people, meme song, insta-success. Disney just forgot key parts, like pretty and white.
Ah, so that's why Frozen 2 was such a hit. Oh, wait...
It was wintery and people love Christmas time
They gave the princess magical powers. That's all they need to do.
Small children are powerless so they often latch to powerful characters. Same reason why Darth Vader was more popular with small kids than Luke.
The girls love Elsa, not Anna.
>Same reason why Darth Vader was more popular with small kids than Luke.
Really? Also I assumed girls liked Elsa because she’s more princess like than Anna
Girls like Elsa because she has magic powers.
Yeh that too
The marketing and merchandising also kept mentioning “sisterly” love
lol imagine being this fricking salty and butthurt
Did Stitch have a dick? I know he can’t reproduce but maybe Jumba gave him would so he could rape.
It must be frustrating to not have any way to reproduce since he's the only experiment with a girlfriend.
>Finally, a nonromantic relationship with these two girls
Haha, yeah, no.
Lilo and Stitch wasn't a princess movie so it doesn't get d̶e̶s̶t̶r̶u̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ subversion points
Yeah, but Frozen had Elsa, and Elsa is perfect. Check and mate.
Stitch is perfect too.
>Check and mate.
dont mind if i do
Nani>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
, selfish, dumb chestlet
Because she stopped being a queen, living in a castle
>Frigid, selfish, dumb chestlet
Get a load of this gay, enjoy your shitty, forgettable movie with trash-tier women; Elsa supremacy is real no matter how bad your need to jerk it to uneducated poor b***hes who can't hold a job
A load of what? There's a dent in the front, she stuffed it with snow; there's no difference between her breas and her butt.
Speaking of being uneducated and having a job, Elsa is only in her position because she was the first born and her parents died suddenly; the idiot cut ties with the only country that remained a friend and kept a trading relation with them.
The whole kingdom liked a foreign better than her.
I'm sorry your small mind cannot comprehend Elsa's perfection. Bu that's okay. She still loves you.
I love these POV cuts. Are these edited? I don't remember characters looking at the camera.
So no defense for her, nor explaining why she is "perfect".
Elsa is the worst out of all main girls
She is kind, sweet, smart, merciful, a fair ruler, shy, not an annoying chatterbox, is great to have around when it's too hot out, will never judge you for not being like everyone else. In short: PERFECT.
>smart, merciful,
What part of, she cut ties with their only ally and only sustent of money, did you not for? Instead of assuring the ambassador about her powers, she fired him infront of everybody. (Juding him at the same time)
>Shy and not a chatterbox
So introvert and can't engage un talks, yeah, that's a good thing for a ruler.
Based Elsa isn’t even that hot
The fifth spirit look is terrible.
You're terrible
I think it was an edit by Constable
I mean, yeah. The only competition Lilo and Stitch offers is Nani, and that one isn't actually the focus of the movie so it's hard for her to compete.
there is nothing wrong with gay and lesbian incest because they can't have children
I want a Lilo and Stitch spinoff about the Galactic Patrol.
Did people give a shit about Frozen 2?
Elsa got a horsey and became omnipotent. Why wouldn't people care?
That horse killed her parents.
No. Frozen II destroyed 90% of the enthusiasm towards the franchise. Even toy sales suffered because Frozen II was that bad.
Frozen 2 was a Communist Rewrite
Frozen was a flash in a pan. Its genuinely one of the weaker disney movies. Objectively so. Its success is not a sign of its quality.
frozen was really boring, but i guess it got more attention simply for being 3d
Yeah the Autism behind Frozen is just stronger. I was around when /frz/ hit thread 1000# and the got banned. As popular as Lilo and Stitch are, they don't generate threads that active.
The Virgin Frozen vs The Chad Stitch
To be completely honest, Lilo and Stitch is a much better film than Frozen and Frozen 2. It has better characters and character interactions, it's a lot funnier, better structured, and looks better than Frozen. Only reason people care for Frozen is for the songs and fetish incest stuff. I think Anna and Elsa are cute together but let's not act like their movie was better than Lilo and Stitch
All 3 are shit. All 3 are only cared about by children, womanchildren, and cartoon porn.
seethe
what kind of magic gets lesbians a baby?
I mean...it's magic. It's all bullshit.
Someday I'll make you accept magic and witches, Battler.
Reminder that they can't have more than 1 kid or they'll end up turning their family tree into a family shrub.
Modern science lets lesbians have babies, too. Gay marriage was argued because it meant more gay couples would adopt, but it turns out as soon as the technology became available, gay couples were willing to pay to have their cells converted into sperm to have gay/lesbian babies with both parents' DNA and their adoption rates have been dropping as the procedure becomes more available. The largest adopters have always been and remain straight Christian couples.
That tech isn't even available yet and probably won't be for several more decades. Will probably have realistic sexbots with veganas almost as good as a real one.
It literally is available and it actually is just that easy. Taking a "blank" ovum or sperm cell from literally any other human alove and injecting the DNA from a zygote is piss-easy, just difficult to do at a large scale and super against the law due to scientific ethics preventing what would be in this case "human testing".
Actually it's pretty hard. Fun fact it's easier just to manipulate a stem cell than snipping DNA, and also has no risks of weird mutant babies.
It's also easier to create eggs than sperm.
>Please believe my science fanfiction
This year marks literally a decade since being able to do it.
Artificial insemination is not whatever the frick you described, and I'm pretty sure the process as been going on longer than "a decade"
I know that's not what artificial insemination is. And the process I described has been done in labs for a decade.
Now it's labs, as in not available to the public, and probably not even on humans.
You talking about the mice? I don't think that's doable with humans yet.
Fair, fair. But consider,
Cute
This. Lilo and Stitch can be enjoyed by anybody, Frozen is only liked by kids and coomers. If you are an adult watching Lilo and Stitch then you probably saw it as a kid or heard its really good, if you’re watching Frozen as an adult you either have kids or your pants are down. Frozen is a terrible movie for anyone above the age of 10, L&S is a timeless classic.
y'know, i've never seen frozen, but i am a shameless coomer, so i guess i'll give it a shot.
>your pants are down
Honestly the second movie had hotter scenes
cool
crossover island adventure when?
According to who? What are their sources? Evidence?
Lilo and Stitch is a way better movie than Frozen which is why it made way less money.
I'm still salty about the censoring done to Lilo and Stich. Stich flying an air-liner in the climax is much funnier and more awesome than pulling a spaceship out of his ass.
>MOOOOM THEY HIJACKED ANOTHER PLANE IN HAWAII
I laughed
Lilo and Stitch was a product of the early 2000’s experimental period, one which soured many on the brand as people had become accustomed to the “enchantment” angle of musicals and fantasy. In the eyes of many, Lilo and Stitch probably felt more like a Dreamworks film with its modern setting, music, and more sarcastic wacky humor. So the dynamic between Lilo and Nani, while moving, didn’t register as groundbreaking because the film was non standard Disney anyway. Frozen on the other hand was stuffed with the familiar hallmarks of Disney, fantasy, princesses, and music. It came out on the heels of two other princess flicks that played the love dynamics straight, so to have the finale be about non romantic love being the solution was seen as groundbreaking in that context.
tl;dr it’s because Frozen was a princess movie breaking its conventions, Lilo and Stitch meanwhile wasn’t conventional to start with.
Except Frozen isn't the object of nonstop critical acclaim. Its success is because Let It Go was a massive hit song and the character designs translated into merchandise better. Giving Elsa a sister was a stroke of genius because the film now had two princess characters to turn into dolls, costumes, accessories, etc. It certainly taps into the sibling market in a way other films didn't.
Yet nobody is going back to Frozen because of any merits to its writing.
Jokes on them, Lilo and Stitch is still getting merch while the Frozen fad died.
I don’t see a lot of Frozen shit anymore.
it's your fault for creating the blue alien pet instead of focusing only a normal story of two sisters
>‘We did that! That has absolutely been done before.’”
but there was a huge age gap you idiot
Frozen has the sisters at a similar age, Lilo and Stich has the sisters at least a decade+ aged apart
I think you're neglecting the real reason being their relationship was the focal point. While a big part, Stitch and Lilo were the focal point of .... Lilo & Stitch. Ontop of that it's 1. a princess movie 2. a climate more suited to make a mountain out of molehills especially in overhyped media.
You can say they're sisters, but like Nani is totally Lilo's mom.
That was kind of a major issue for them? Nani basically HAD to become Lilo's mom, which meant giving up any freedom she had as a sister, she gave up her hobby/potentially future career in surfing, gave up her availability to date the guy she likes, and has to devote herself to any crap job she can while also raising her young weird ass sister without any help from anyone else.
Nani's life is fricking tragic and the fact that she was forced to become 'the mom' is one of the main reasons her relationship with Lilo splintered so much, because both of them know she can't really do it and the change is extremely awkward for both of them.
Feel like Frozen and Lilo and Stitch end up dealing with two different scenarios. A sister who barely has time to be anything but the responsible one and the one who's never around. Lilo and Stitch explores their's better, but that's because Frozen was framed more towards evil sister redemption then the frickery that was the rewrites. Meanwhile Lilo can focus on the fraying tensions that are defused when Stitch brings them together again.
Nani does not think of Lilo as some kind of burden.
She doesn't want to but the fact remains that she DID have to give up her goals and freedoms to care for Lilo. She does this because she loves her, obviously, but it's clearly exhausting both physically and emotionally for her in the movie, especially because, again, both Nani and Lilo know that Nani can't really just 'become' a mom, they're sisters and a lot of their relationship drama is them trying to find some way to salvage that sisterly relationship/love despite the changes that have taken place and how different their lives are now.
Love that house
Didn't Disney censor this scene for Disney Plus?
No? It's still there.
Is the washing machine still a washing machine?
Lilo and Stitch did a lot of things first in arguably better ways;
>Covered trauma that would've been considered too taboo for disney before
>Stitch is a straight up butthole and has a redemption arc
>Jumba and Pleakley are a lowkey LGBT couple and you could watch the whole movie without even noticing it
>The sister stuff
Mad underrated
It had divorce and a rebellious kid as a protagonist and also
>le no marriage with a saving prince at the end
>Divorce
Where? Did Jumba have a joke about an ex-wife?
Lilo's parents both divorced from life
>Life got full custody of the kids
>Parents don't even get weekends
American Family Courts are so fricked.
Life is your abusive uncle who touches you in the closet and throws beer bottles but gets you an Xbox on Christmas
Life is a grandmother who gets you xbox games for your PS4. The game is right there, it's everything you want, it's just not for you.
"We are a broken family" is a metsphor for divorce
In this case it's not, their parents died in a car crash. There's even a deleted scene where she visits their grave and feeds a fish in the pond near it, then when Stitch kills it, she buries it along side them.
Still waiting on that Xbox.
Next year anon, promise
Do you know what a metaphor is?
But in this case, it doesn't work when it makes more sense to view it literally rather than figuratively. Families that suffer sudden deaths also tend to fracture as well. Not to mention by this point Disney didn't seem afraid of ambiguous single mothers, if they wanted Nani to be a single mom they probably could've gone for it.
That's kind of what Nani is.
Nobody cares about male gays. Remember they are part of the patriarchy too.
>Jumba and Pleakley are a lowkey LGBT couple and you could watch the whole movie without even noticing it
Hard disagree on them in the movie. You want to say it is in the series? Fine. But in the movie they spend it as more buddy cop than “couple”.
But the series, Pleakley was a flat-out crossdresser.
I'm feelin' like that's where Seth McFarlane got his inspiration for Roger in American Dad.
Good theory but I doubt it. There was only 18 months from the premiere of Lilo and Stitch: The Series and American Dad. I don't think a Disney cartoon based on a Disney film would be on Seth's conscience unlike say something on Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon. Roger only became a crossdresser in later seasons as well after he had to go out in public in disguise in some first season episodes. The writers probably really enjoyed writing Roger cosplaying as any zany character he could imagine- it gave his character a whole new angle.
Its such a dumb thing to get frustrated over. Two excellent movies but also two entirely different styles in so many ways.
probably would have helped if they made Lilo and Nani look more like siblings instead of mother and daughter
They basically are. Nani is acting as a surrogate mother because her sister is a 5-year-old.
Frozen is fricking garbage. All that disney singing princess crap has always been cancer and the mouse doubling down on it after tangled and frozen was a steep decline from the likes of lilo and stitch or wreck it ralph
>All that disney singing princess crap has always been cancer
Disney itself is probably not for you.
This was so freaking pretty
>The deleted scene where Lilo's fish obsession actually went somewhere and it developed both her and Stitch's characters
Man, this movie could've been even better than it was. Disney sucks.
>animated movie cuts the best shit because it's "too dark for kids"
What else is new
The scene that bothered me the most was how they changed how the house exploded during the fight with Jumba and Stitch. It went from a perfect encapsulation of the two characters to a lame slapstick moment.
I don’t get why it’s lanes as kids and has the comments disabled when there’s literally a whole YouTube app for kids
Because parents are too lazy/moronic to lock down the iPad/electronic-babysitter so the kids can't use regular YT.
>lanes as kids
Labeled for kids
Icecest
Icest
has Cinemaphile been told we're getting a Frozen 3 yet?
>‘Finally, a nonromantic relationship with these two girls,’
>nonromantic
lol
Clearly, the way to make Lilo and Stitch popular is for people to draw tons of fanart shipping Nani and Lilo.
>frozen
>nonromantic relationship with these two girls
LOL.
Lilo and stitch did the sisters relationship story so much better than Frozen its not even funny.
Seriously, Elsa and Anna had almost no actual relationship. 90% of it just seemed to be Anna being delusional and projecting the friendship they had when they were basically toddlers onto Elsa as an adult and excusing everything she does, while Elsa pretty much only pushed Anna away at every turn, until the last minute where 'sisterly love' just magically cures everything.
Nothing in Frozen beats the emotional weight of this scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0BYbPjlujc&ab_channel=MadMike
>Frozen
>Two movies, and some shorts
>Lilo & Stitch
>1 theatrical film, 3 direct-to-DVD/TV films, like 3 different fricking cartoons
Like yeah Frozen's overrated to hell and back, but I think Lilo & Stitch did insanely well, especially for a non-princess Disney film, dunno why he'd be frustrated.
> dunno why he'd be frustrated.
he's frustrated for the stated reason? people are treating frozen like its the first time there's been a major animated movie about sisters, pretending (or forgetting) like Lilo and Stitch just didn't exist.
I'm shipping Oaken and Elsa but this would've been a hot threesome.
Lilo & Stitch suck
Nordic women > Pacific Nifghas
Wait 5-10 years and Nami will look liked a walking bloated corpse. Every last one of them turns out like that. I've dealt with a weird amount of pacifics and grew to loath all of them.
Your opinion is moronic and hilarious
We all know people watch it for Stitch
Same reason Moana would be an awful pick, her grandma was only 40
lilo was an annoying c**t.
Good thread OP
But their complaints are silly. Frozen had sisterly love literally triumph where "true love" couldn't. Nino and stitch didn't have that. It felt more like Nani did not want a relationship than that she choose Lilo over one.
Lilo is better than Frozen, but this is petty as frick
Supposedly
Lil and Stitch is unironically better than Frozen.
But Frozen was about lesbians and incest
Lilo & Stitch had a realistic portrayal of sisterhood. Frozen had an idealistic portrayal of sisterhood. Lilo and Nani's relationship is timeless while Elsa and Anna's is getting creepy. Anna's idolization of Elsa is gross.
Frozen feels less like sisters and more like romantic best friends. Like there's a reason Elsanna is so popular.
But that's the point.
You're reaching too hard. It never felt like that.
Lol didn’t the French actors in Disneyland kiss?
Stitch is literally Disney's Pikachu, dude