Literally what was Jason Aaron thinking with this?

>makes Jen a dumb rage Hulk out of no where
>completely disregard her characterization or history
>do nothing with her except have her gunt and yell "HULK SMASH" every now and then
>belittle and pester fans who hated it
>gets undone like nothing happened

Like what was the point?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Problem is ppl liked it and that's not what they were going for.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re aware they’re doing it again in the ultimate universe, right? Marvel seems intent to absolutely destroy she-hulks’ character.

      >Problem is ppl liked it
      It was universally reviled. From women to men to men in dresses and women who think wearing boxer shorts means they’re men.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimate She-Hulk is fine cus its a different take on the character. Doing this in 616 the way they did it was just straight up dog water.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ultimate She-Hulk is fine cus its a different take on the character
          We disagree.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well we have normal Jen in 616 so I don't see this as an issue. Unlike 2015-2020 where there was no normal Jen stuff going on anywhere.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Well we have normal Jen in 616 so I don't see this as an issue
              No we don’t. Rowell’s run is horrible and Jen is still to bulky in it. Let alone depressive and moody. Slott’s run was awful but Rowell is worse than him and soule by a country mile.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Slott’s run was awful
                Only the art was bad. For Slott it was actually passable

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah

                I think Rainbow Rowell in Marvel #1000 too.

                No she didn’t…

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nah
                That's your opinion. Which I'm pretty sure you're that sperg who c

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >didn’t finish
                Thank god hopefully you self deleted

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, she did.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She doesn’t shit on it once here. She shits on the “She” part of She-Hulk though. While also ignoring that Jen’s dad is still alive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the exact opposite of that. Aaron was shitting on the "she" with only referring to her as Hulk and writing her as a dumb muscle-bound savage because that's who he wanted for the book and wasn't allowed to touch with Immortal running. How the frick do you read "She'll always be She-Hulk" and a capstone about how she's grown to be her own unique character as anything but a shot at what he was doing?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon read the page. She literally spends the entire page calling it condescending and undeserving of respect and that Jen was better than it. Which is absurd.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SHE looks fricking hideous here. Anka is such a homosexual. Wonder what stock image he traced for this garbage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fridge strikes again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pelletier's art was good. He feels like a guy who should have gotten bigger books.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. Pelletier

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but I agree to an extent. Not so much the part about getting bigger gigs but about being the only artist on Slott’s run that wasn’t awful. That being said the Soule run had even worse art.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was a good choice for a sexy woman book although like a lot of artists I think his style (a little cartoony and Larsenish) worked better with '90s style coloring. But that's more a problem of how dogshit modern coloring in comics is in general.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People only pretend to like Slott's run because of the superhuman law gimmick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rowell's run is fantastic and Jen is finally being fixed. Sorry you're too much of a femcel to enjoy good romance comics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Too bulky" give it a rest you massive homosexual. Rowell keeps her super feminine while still being appropriately muscled as a Hulk should be. If you want her to just be a bikini model but green then you're a moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People pay to read this slop?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not the most engaging but I find it harmless fun and I love the current artist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a waste of resources & in bad taste.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In bad taste? How do you figure?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just her being with Jack is fricking warped.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think they're cute together, though I wish the pace wasn't quite as glacial and that things actually developed between the two of them some more.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It feels forced.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i personally feel the pace of their relationship is fine.

                it's the pace of EVERYTHING ELSE that is glacial.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rowell isn't the artist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You think the writer doesn't have any influence at all on how the artist draws the characters?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't jack off to it so it's selfish
                >no, I don't care that it's fixing everything I need to coom

                Her run isn't that bad but that's it. The romance plot is awful considering that's what Rowell mainly does. Jack comes off more like a house pet than an individual. Replace that useless plot with more action or comedy and her run would be a lot better. I agree with the other critics s she just doesn't get She-Hulk

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Jack comes off more like a house pet than an individual.
                That's how Rowell writes all male characters, just a dancing monkey for the MC.
                She wrote a whole book about her yellowfever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the moment I effectively thought all was lost was when Jen broke the third wall to yell at the reader for not letting her have romance, which is a fundamental misunderstanding of the dynamic

                Jen used to yell at BYRNE about the script because she knew he was the writer and the writer is the enemy and the readers are rooting for her but Rowell clearly wasn't willing to show herself as the bad guy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it wasn't the public. It was the editorswriter.
                THEY decide Jen's romantic fate

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She looks terrible here. And I agree with anon she’s too bulky.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a lot of words to come out of the closet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                FELLAS IS IT GAY TO LIKE WOMEN

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ask that guy who made a video about liking women on Social media. He managed to piss off both ends of the political spectrum.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's wrong with a different alternate universe take on the character?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the children? Did they revile it?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She-hulk comics have literally never been for “children”, which is colloquially and in business used to refer to preteens and younger. They were typically for teenage boys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people liked it
      are the people in this room with us?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FPWP.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Problem is ppl liked it

      Where? It was one of the few times Left and Right Comic Twitter agreed something sucked

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently he wanted to write Hulk but couldn't so he just turned Jen into Hulk.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I for one thought it was kinda hot.
    I just wish she stayed barefoot.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Like what was the point?
    To make you mad.
    Please stop giving Superhero comics your time. They're written by horrible people who want a horrible response from you. The very definition of trolling.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally everyone on social media along with Marvel writers/artists called him out on this as fricking stupid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd think the editor woulda told him no given literally no one lied this idea, but I guess not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brevoort is long known for not giving a shit what fans think and as he's the top dog at editorial after Shogun his style has rubbed off on everyone else.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even writers and artists called him out? They usually defend each other.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You'd think the editor woulda told him no given literally no one lied this idea, but I guess not.

        From what I remember Al Ewing threw shade on this during Immortal Hulk, and Leah Williams did too during Gwenpool's second book

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think Rainbow Rowell in Marvel #1000 too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was Ewing fault in the first place

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sex

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t know. She looks more like an Autumn Hulk to me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was after she'd been in SHULK IS MOST feminist THERE IS mode for a while, and artists weren't giving her the cro-magnon type of features Hulk always has.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She became monstress from the legion of superheroes?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He wanted Hulk but couldn't have him because of Ewing's Le Spooky Green Man shit so in true Aaron fashion he went "what if character... was other character" and so this monstrosity was born. In theory I don't mind the idea of a more muscular and aggressive She-Hulk as another persona/aspect of Jen's but she should have been more like the Keatinge/Campbell Glory and not Hulk with long hair.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Savage She-Hulk has been a thing for a long time. The problem is that it has always been depicted as a bad thing, of Jen losing control and becoming a brutish, violent monster ruled by base impulse. Not only did Aaron not do that, half the time it feels like he's writing with one hand down his pants.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. he wanted cavewoman She-Hulk to frick Thor and didn't think beyond that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And wanted to justify his fetish so automatically everyone else was wrong even though he couldn't think of anything interesting to hook the readers he was antagonizing.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hot Take, the arc where they did all the shit with Russia trying to kidnap her was actually good. It just should've been like the second or third arc of the series.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sex

      I for one thought it was kinda hot.
      I just wish she stayed barefoot.

      This feels like a samegay baiting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't a handful of people have a similar opinion?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >how’d you know
          You were pretty obvious. Still are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You believe whatever you want.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only who is drawing her matters

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good art.

      Bad too surreal.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feet growing out of shoes always gets my pp hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >love the idea of Jen being more of a beefcake
      >Aaron was a colossal moron that fricked the concept up so hard we'll probably never see this design again
      Pain. Agony, even.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel the same way.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was probably thinking nobody would remember 20 years ago when just being around Jack of Hearts made her do that, and then after he died when Bendis brought him back out of nowhere to make her kill Vision

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is even worse than you're making it out to be.
    >cw2 "kills" her and makes her rage monster
    >has her become the main Hulk book while Bruce is dead
    >everyone hates it
    >ends with her finally being fixed
    >Arron wants Hulk for his avengers run
    >Ewing's got that shit on lock down, no one gets even a guest star without his stamp of approva
    >arron unfixes jen to fill the roll and so that he can take credit for fixing her later

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tamaki's run may have been a little too "PTSD is hot right now" but I'll give her credit for having the plan to get Jen back on track by the end AND managing to do a legitimately fun fourth wall breaking issue which is more than anyone else who's written the character has been able to do in the last 20 years

      Bendis made the mess, she tried to at least clean it up at the end and then Aaron made it even worse

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is even worse than you're making it out to be.
        >cw2 "kills" her and makes her rage monster
        >has her become the main Hulk book while Bruce is dead
        >everyone hates it
        >ends with her finally being fixed
        >Arron wants Hulk for his avengers run
        >Ewing's got that shit on lock down, no one gets even a guest star without his stamp of approva
        >arron unfixes jen to fill the roll and so that he can take credit for fixing her later

        Civil War 2 was the most disruptive piece of shit and i'm so glad Bendis is out as an architect. I know CW2 was purely editorial in creation but the execution was so fricking awful and I have never seen anyone say they liked it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Civil War 2 was the most disruptive piece of shit and i'm so glad Bendis is out as an architect. I know CW2 was purely editorial in creation but the execution was so fricking awful and I have never seen anyone say they liked it.

        The original plan was that Bendis was going to kill off She-Hulk, as the leaker said. But once that leaked they rushed to add in a new scene showing that She-Hulk was not only alive but changed after the incident

        But yes Bendis and Aaron are the ones who should get the blame for that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah IDK what the frick they were thinking. I mean Bendis doesn't think he just vomits out words but Aaron ha the potential to write good things, he just seemingly refuses.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And Aaron wrote the post way stuff because it was a continuation of way's plan, which was a entire Ghost Rider mega event where hell invades earth all heroes, including Spider-man are fricked by it for their sins, and only JB and Danny are the ones left to fix along the survivors.
            In fact it has to be the 4th time a GR event is fricked up because of the editorial, because the Avengers mephisto shit was obviously a Ghost Rider and Spider-Man mega event and became avengers only, then Empyre due to kung flu, and now the Blood Hunt shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              don't forget AXE where Marvel made Mark Russal write a tie-in Avengers issue about Hawkeye(a character who had never shown up in the book at that point) because Aaron refused to have anything with AXE

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tamaki deserves no credit when it comes to She-Hulk. Stupid b***h did nothing with the character.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but I'll give her credit for having the plan to get Jen back on track by the end
        She didn’t do this at all though. Jen was never actually back to normal in that book. The very last issue she still turns gray with rage.

        "Too bulky" give it a rest you massive homosexual. Rowell keeps her super feminine while still being appropriately muscled as a Hulk should be. If you want her to just be a bikini model but green then you're a moron.

        >Rowell keeps her super feminine while still being appropriately muscled as a Hulk should be
        Rowell doesn’t draw the comic, first off, and I’m so sick of you casuals saying shit like this. You don’t like the character, that’s fine, but don’t act like you know better than buscema and Byrne after him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >She didn’t do this at all though. Jen was never actually back to normal in that book. The very last issue she still turns gray with rage.
          Not really, don't get me wrong Tamaki run was boring as frick, but she did fix iher by the end of her run.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            specifically: she wasn't completely "back to normal" bu the run did end with her well on the road to recovery so any successive writer could have used her as already healed in-between the books or writing their own recovery path

            Aaron just ignored everything.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I just don't get it how Jen was sabotaged this much. Jesus, she was the definition of empowered woman. Green, tall, strong and beautiful.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It is even worse the moment you think that Jen is literally What Wonder Woman really was before the Crisis and "Disavow" once she wore the black leather.
              And now both can't be normal anymore because of moronic writers trying to erase that.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ewing won't let me use hulk
    >better just make Jen not!hulk
    Not that hard to figure out anon

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Al Ewing was being a little b***h about people using Hulk so he improvised.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jason Aaron is bad at improvising, apparently.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm curious about who she is because I don't even think Hulk is Bruce Banner in this universe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no hulk is 100% bruce banner the master couldn't prevent the government hiring banner to make the gamma bomb in his new universe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't mean he's the one who gets caught in the blast, though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Banner is the Hulk and he is the zen Hulk. Just like Jen apparently is zen She-He-Hulk.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably mad he couldn't use the real hulk for some reason so shitposted by making jen as bruce like as possible.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's not forget that She-Hulk fricked Thor constantly and Jen didn't want to. Like actually didn't want to on the few times she turned back. So it had some really fricked up psychology going too.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rowell run is beyond selfish, Nobody wants this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I don't know how people feel about her Runaways run, but at least in my opinion her "I'm just going to write a sitcom" style of writing fits for them since they've always been a non-traditional team that's been scattered to the winds. Not for She-Hulk though, she's supposed to be a bombshell, not whatever the frick Rowell wants her to be. It's such a damn waste.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You write for your audience, Every single panel of Rainbow's run feels like I'm being held hostage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't jack off to it so it's selfish
      >no, I don't care that it's fixing everything I need to coom

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The run isn't fixing anything.
        It's making things worse.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know the ONLY reason Jen exists is because of her breasts right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shut the frick up Tigra, you did the same shit.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't do anything with She-Hulk now she's too far gone, Just retire her.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jason Aaron like woman that looks like men. Is probably in the closet and is afraid to come out as gay. Also probably why he hates Thor . Thor threatens his sexuality and arouse him.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only fans she has left is musclegays & morons who still think it's 1992.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes their major complains is that she is too manly nowadays for them jerk off

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people forget this, but nobody will forget the Ally McBeal days of inhaling wiener & booze like there was no tomorrow.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jen's real super power is being a never-ending source of disappointment.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can never tell the difference between a Jason Aaron book and a Donny Cates book. Both of them always have the same level of "bashing action figures together" and "moronic character changes" writing sensibilities, it seems.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jen is such damaged goods the only relationship she can have is with a man back from the dead & has no sense of self.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why isn't she a hemaphrodite?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      America isn't ready for futanaris.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When is Rainbow gonna have Jen yell at us again for not liking the direction of the book?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she was yelling at the editors, anon.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Like what was the point?
    Virtue Signalling. American media is nothing more than a tool now to Virtue Signal.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people like rowell's she-hulk more than slott
    >people like north's fantastic four more than slott
    Why is Slott seething so much?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      like rowell's she-hulk more than slott
      Both are dog shit.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To farm (you)s

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Rainbow's pr team come on to Cinemaphile just to AstroTurf & push false premises?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hi Dan!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hi Rainbow!
        You still regurgitating the same story over & over again?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It genuinely feels like it. Probably from the publishing side. Any of the writers who have literary agents (admittedly most of them) seem to get a very dedicated defense force for their horrible comics.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be more exact:

    Aaron wanted Hulk for his Avengers run and made a big stink about it

    Ewing was writing Immortal Hulk and had explicit plans that would require coordination but was willing to play ball with Aaron

    Aaron however, was a c**t and told Ewing he didn't give a frick about what he was doing in Hulk's ongoing. He was going to do whatever he wanted and Ewing had to eat shit.

    Ewing went to editorial to stop this, since his plan for Immortal Hulk would be FUBARed if he had to deal with Aaron doing whatever the frick he wanted Hulk, up to and including explicitly undermining Ewing and his plans for Hulk by ignoring what Ewing was doing. Especially since Aaron wanted Hulk to be explicitly written as dumb savage Hulk 24-7 and telling Brevoort he had no intention to acknowledge or even considering canon, the fact that Ewing was going to bring up Hulk's multiple personality disorder and Ewing bringing back the Joe Fixit persona as the main Hulk persona for his run via having Joe running around in Bruce's body.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brevoort had to chose and since Ewing told Brevoort he'd work with Aaron so long as Aaron abided by Ewing's plans and worked around them and didn't actively shit on them while Aaron explicitly told Brevoort that he was going to shit on them, Brevoort took Ewings side BUT allowed Aaron to use She-Hulk for his "savage Hulk" and prevented Ewing from using her for a huge chunk of his run outside three guest spots (one early in his run, the second an Empyre epilogue book where Ewing had to reconcile all of Jen's shit from the last couple of years with his new Hulk lore, and the finale of his run).

      Meanwhile, Aaron basically did only a single thing with Savage She-Hulk: having her frick Thor. Which led to some fans joking that Aaron wanted to make Hulk a homosexual and Thor's boyfriend so he could get more good boy SJW points.

      Aaron also, according to Ewing, wienerblocked Ewing from having free usage of Jen in Immortal Hulk and is the reason Titania got introduced into the book as a stand-in for Jen until Brevoort overruled Aaron and let Jen appear in the last year of the book (granted in reduced capacity).

      Aaron meanwhile became more and more bitter at fans complaining about how he raped Jen and kept doubling and tripling down on non-verbal Savage She-Hulk until the TV show got greenlit and he was ordered to permanently "fix" Jen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be more exact:

        Aaron wanted Hulk for his Avengers run and made a big stink about it

        Ewing was writing Immortal Hulk and had explicit plans that would require coordination but was willing to play ball with Aaron

        Aaron however, was a c**t and told Ewing he didn't give a frick about what he was doing in Hulk's ongoing. He was going to do whatever he wanted and Ewing had to eat shit.

        Ewing went to editorial to stop this, since his plan for Immortal Hulk would be FUBARed if he had to deal with Aaron doing whatever the frick he wanted Hulk, up to and including explicitly undermining Ewing and his plans for Hulk by ignoring what Ewing was doing. Especially since Aaron wanted Hulk to be explicitly written as dumb savage Hulk 24-7 and telling Brevoort he had no intention to acknowledge or even considering canon, the fact that Ewing was going to bring up Hulk's multiple personality disorder and Ewing bringing back the Joe Fixit persona as the main Hulk persona for his run via having Joe running around in Bruce's body.

        Aaron also decided to write Thor as a dumb dudebro even though he had written him somewhat better in his ongoing before

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he was ordered to permanently "fix" Jen.
        Something that still hasn’t been done to this day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brevoort had to chose and since Ewing told Brevoort he'd work with Aaron so long as Aaron abided by Ewing's plans and worked around them and didn't actively shit on them while Aaron explicitly told Brevoort that he was going to shit on them, Brevoort took Ewings side BUT allowed Aaron to use She-Hulk for his "savage Hulk" and prevented Ewing from using her for a huge chunk of his run outside three guest spots (one early in his run, the second an Empyre epilogue book where Ewing had to reconcile all of Jen's shit from the last couple of years with his new Hulk lore, and the finale of his run).

      Meanwhile, Aaron basically did only a single thing with Savage She-Hulk: having her frick Thor. Which led to some fans joking that Aaron wanted to make Hulk a homosexual and Thor's boyfriend so he could get more good boy SJW points.

      Aaron also, according to Ewing, wienerblocked Ewing from having free usage of Jen in Immortal Hulk and is the reason Titania got introduced into the book as a stand-in for Jen until Brevoort overruled Aaron and let Jen appear in the last year of the book (granted in reduced capacity).

      Aaron meanwhile became more and more bitter at fans complaining about how he raped Jen and kept doubling and tripling down on non-verbal Savage She-Hulk until the TV show got greenlit and he was ordered to permanently "fix" Jen.

      And like clockwork, here comes the Ewing defense force to alter history.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ewing's single issue actually dealing with Jen's trauma is the only good book she's had in 20 plus years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even though it's a fanfic that turns Jason Aaron into a cartoon character, it feels true, so I'll allow it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ewing was in the wrong. The Hulk is not his toy to hold.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meanwhile Aaron wanted to do whatever the frick he wanted to do as well. To say either was wrong when one was mid-run on a solo and the other was just going to use the hulk as a moronic gimmicky supporting character is a bit flawed.

            And I say this genuinely despising Al Ewing and his writing (though I do despise Aaron even more).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The writer of a character's solo book takes precedent in what happens to the character.

              It doesn't matter what Aaron was going to do. He is working at Marvel and therefore should have the right to use a character. They would both suck in the end anyway. Al Ewing was in the wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you read Araon's Hulk?
                It's just edgelord ramblings of a 13 year old.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I actually loved it. Banner and Hulk fricking with each other was great. His Avengers was pure shit, however.

                >He is working at Marvel and therefore should have the right to use a character
                Yes, he is working at marvel and therefore should accept the fact that he has to co-exist with other writers given it’s a shared universe, which by all accounts Ewing had said he would do. It was Aaron who said he wanted to disregard an ongoing solo title to write a character as he hasn’t been written in 30 years.

                We agree they’re both terrible writers so let’s not spend every post reiterating.

                >the following takes place before/after the events of Immortal hulk
                Bam, fixed. Now they can both use him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bam, fixed.
                Wrong, ruined

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He is working at Marvel and therefore should have the right to use a character
                Yes, he is working at marvel and therefore should accept the fact that he has to co-exist with other writers given it’s a shared universe, which by all accounts Ewing had said he would do. It was Aaron who said he wanted to disregard an ongoing solo title to write a character as he hasn’t been written in 30 years.

                We agree they’re both terrible writers so let’s not spend every post reiterating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Aaron who said he wanted to disregard an ongoing solo title
                tbf he did that for all the characters in his Avengers run except maybe Thor and that was only due to writing the Thor solo run at the time, Aaron never brought up Space Wakanda, or Iron Man having an existential crisis about whether he is a robot or not or what ever was going on in Coates Captain America run, so Aaron was directly being a dick to Ewing he was disregarding every solo book for his Avengers run

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >everyone else let's him do his thing
                >doesn't step on anyone's toes
                >wants a classic avengers character
                >ewing throws a b***h fit instead of playing ball
                >this is some how aaron's fault
                Ewinggays ladies and gentlemen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry I forgot to add a "Not" between was and directly but it does lead to weird continuity when Avengers is only mentioned basically out of a series that spin-off from it like Moon Knight or Invaders and every other writer at Marvel ignored the book completely.
                Ewing just a compulsive who tries to make every series fit into conuity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The writer of a character's solo book takes precedent in what happens to the character.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This, The Avengers is just a halfway house for losers who don't have a book.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aaron is in the pocket of Big Gamma

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bold of you to assume Aaron thinks. I think he has been using AI to write his scripts for years.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like anything that happens in capeshit.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't She-Hulk a humorous character up to this point? Not a joke by herself, but quippy, hammy? I feel like if they wanted to explore the character's negative side they would have been better served making her sarcastic or spiteful, rather than just making her a distaff Hulk. Someone who literally adds insult to injury.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They sorta already did that with Red She-Hulk when she was introduced but you're not wrong. Anything would have been better

  37. 3 weeks ago
    AccelΔX

    and now he's gonna spread his taint into TMNT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As if TMNT hasn't been utter dogshit for years now.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bad writer

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and pester fans who hated it

    You covered the reason right there.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    SUPER AGGRO CRAG

    >wanted to put hulk in his book
    >was told Ewing was doing something with hulk and he couldn't
    >had a tantrum and made she-hulk into He-Hulk

    • 3 weeks ago
      El Barto

      ngl i rly wanna know what drove him to this mindset; like the avengers have existed without a hulk many a times ithink

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His entire Avengers run is just COOL BADASS IDEA after COOL BADASS IDEA which is why it's filled with so much dumb shit like Caveman Avengers, What If Character Was Other Character, that nothing Heroes Reborn shit, the dumb stuff with Moon Knight and Khonshu, etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Scott Synders JL maybe, that team was full on the DCAU team and nearly dealt with concurrent DC continuity that Synder didn't care about. Maybe Aaron thought he could pull off the same for Marvel and obsess over his own headcanon-constructed Marvel continuity.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nearly
          never*

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shitty writer with a terrible outlook contradictory the genre who should be removed from projects that he brings nothing to.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Presumably
    >eventually some of my dumbass ideas will stick and I'll be remembered as a person who influenced the comics (hopefully adaptations as well) long-term

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is what happens when you hire insane activists rather than people who are actual fans of the material.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What was the point.
    He wanted to write Hulk, but Hulk was already taken. So he made Jen just Hulk, instead of she-hulk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The story is that he wanted to use the Hulk, Marvel didn't allow and he transformed Jen into the Hulk with a wig.

      >Ewing won't let me use hulk
      >better just make Jen not!hulk
      Not that hard to figure out anon

      >Ewing won't let me use hulk
      >better just make Jen not!hulk
      Not that hard to figure out anon

      He wanted Hulk but couldn't have him because of Ewing's Le Spooky Green Man shit so in true Aaron fashion he went "what if character... was other character" and so this monstrosity was born. In theory I don't mind the idea of a more muscular and aggressive She-Hulk as another persona/aspect of Jen's but she should have been more like the Keatinge/Campbell Glory and not Hulk with long hair.

      We heard you the first time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Happy to serve.

        >off-world
        >good
        Even mahnke couldn’t salvage that dogshit

        Don't be overly dramatic with shit like the main comic on the run.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    best she-hulk right here

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t see the problem she is just “girl hulk” not an actual character Hulk always will be the original and better one
    People that complain are more annoyed because of the lack of jerkoff material

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go somewhere else you ESL.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The story is that he wanted to use the Hulk, Marvel didn't allow and he transformed Jen into the Hulk with a wig.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aaron needs a firm leash to do good things, like in Batman Outworld.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >off-world
      >good
      Even mahnke couldn’t salvage that dogshit

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They keep making jokes that Jen fricked Juggernaut? WELL ACTUALLY, JUGGERNAUT'S GAY!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Slott was so fricking pissed over that that he introduced multiple retcons to try and decanonize it and say it never happened.

      >It was't Jen it was an LMD
      >Actually he's gay
      >Actually it was Jen's counterpart from an alternate universe who temporarily replaced her
      And then Tamaki just went and casually had Juggernaut among Jen's past boyfriends/guys she's fricked lmao get fricked Slott.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Slott is pathetic.

        Where is that webm with him getting on stage that always makes me laugh?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Juggernaut is gay for Black Tom.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At this point I think Jean just brainwashed everyone in the whole world to be gay.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was literally humiliated by Ewing's run the moment Dad Hulk broke her mind, and his she hulk run was literally a hulk run in disguise because marvel didn't gave him the book

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hulk fights his trans thoughts

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically, Devil tolerated the troony because he was useful, if wasn't for that he would had forced him into the 41%
        Still wasn't a meltdown as he did to Jugg that made krakkoa xgays lose their shit til this day

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AAAARRRRRGH IT'S A CLOSE UP OF HIS EYES! HE'S GRINNING! HE'S POINTING! I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAANE!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So is this a pre established meme or something anon is trying to push?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I just really hate Al Ewing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I see. Well just to keep the convo going wanna talk about it? Whats don't you like? What do you think works if anything? I'm very casual when it comes to him so I got nothing to fight for.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's a shitty writer trying way too hard to be Morrison and Gaiman and all those other guys but failing badly. He's the "continuity guy" except it's clear that everything he knows about a character is just shit pulled from wikis. His comics aren't interesting and like the rest of the 2010s Brit guys he has a weird obsession with gays and blacks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AIIIIIIEEEEEEEE HE'S SMILING I'M SO SPOOKED RIGHT NOW!

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    consider the following

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Disgusting

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not consider the fat that you’re gay and stop clinging to making women look like men?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >why not consider the fat
        Yeah I'm considering jerking off to She-Hulk's fat breasts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the only homosexual here is you because her hips are large as her breasts, thus keeping the proper female hourglass/guitar shape as God intended to be

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >because her hips are large as her breasts
          I think I saw you in a jungle girl thread once. This is such a moronic statement I can’t actually believe more than one person would make it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >why not consider the fat
          Yeah I'm considering jerking off to She-Hulk's fat breasts.

          Also, don’t samegay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It gets to a point where there are no really new ideas anymore.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After Slott it's futile to ever have a She-Hulk solo series.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. They just need to give the gig to a straight white male writer who doesn’t care about pleasing 35 year old women on Twitter and an artist that draws cheesecake like Byrne (note: not beefcake).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes really, She's damaged goods.
        She should have stayed depowered back in 2007.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No body wants to read this insecurity & ick shit.
    The same reason why I refuse to read Brubaker Catwoman, It's a major turn-off.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Jen went angry Hulk during Civil War 2? when she was grey for some reason afterwards in a solo series?

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyday, that strip about bitter nerds taking over the industry to piss off the customers keeps being real.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still not as bad as DC across the board.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DC has actual heroes, Marvel just has celebrities with powers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All DC heroes do are die or turn evil. It’s a dumpster-fire.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do the coomers on Cinemaphile ever even think about the fact that the reason characters like Power Girl and She-Hulk keep getting derailed is BECAUSE they refuse to acknowledge them as characters and only want the eye candy? If they actually gave half a shit about them as characters they'd actually have a way to argue against the ways writers like Williams or Aaron shit on them, but they're so goddamned peabrained they proudly admit they don't even like their comics - and then whine nobody cares about their opinions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is really no point in investing in a female character ever, all they going to do is disappoint you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yes it's totally the coomers fault, nevermind that Aaron told the non coomers (ie. EVERYONE ELSE) who hated the change to suck eggs.

      It's the minority whiners fault for the creators to make bad decisions that EVERYONE hates, totally.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not even slightly related to what I said. I said that if coomers were able to keep their shit together for five seconds they'd be able to actually fight for these characters - but they can't, so they're powerless and whine about it like it isn't their own fricking fault.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't blame them exclusively because it's how the internet works. Baiting people into rage always works, and companies know it. That's why they do it, so they can get away with it.

          You can do nothing but watch when the cards are heavily against you.

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