>Hmm... We need to get rid of this ring...
1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
4. Fight sauron and/or take the one ring as Gandalf the incorruptible white and throw it in mount doom.
5. Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
>hmm... A wizard as wise such as myself *smokes pipe* I shall choose option 5... And I shall give the Hobbit the bare minimum help, no bodyguard or guides, just send him with plot armour...
you are a gay
>Uber eats deliver it
That's a good metaphor for the atrocious time it took for them to reach mount doom. It takes that long for my food to arrive to my door so I don't tip them.
You have to tip at the checkout screen or remember to write in the delivery instructions that you'll be tipping with cash.
They should give me a good service first.
They make nothing and you are paying a bid for faster service. So if you don’t tip them they will just leave your food.
>tipping before hand
it's lost all meaning at this point.
I've never used Uber Eats but I'm pretty sure if you don't tip beforehand drivers won't take the order. The delivery people like see a list of requests and can choose which order to do
Don't tip the troglodyte salve class. They should be honoured they are being given the chance to deliver my food and being paid for it. They're good for almost nothing else.
>3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
This, except Tulkas.
and as such the perfect person to hold it
>Noo the eagles are a heckin elder race and don't care about stuff, they couldn't fly it in!
>Huh? Sure yeah Gandalf can call them in to rescue a bunch of random dwarves whenever that's no problem.
You know, wasting time writing all of this pretending to be retarded for replies makes you even more retarded than anyone else right?
I actually copied it besides it's fun.
>Beta excuses instead of ghosting all butthurt posts like a true chad
These threads get the best kind of cope.
lotr fags are the biggest seethers imaginable
Where did they even get the idea that you can't destroy it any other way than by bringing it to Mt Doom? Why wouldn't Gandalf or some donut steel 50000000 year old elf not be able to unmake it?
>Why can't they just bring in a new 50000000 year old super elf named Gary Stu to deus ex Machina this entire plot?
I hate you people.
yes, that is the question, so what's the answer?
the super elves all fucked off to hang out in heaven
Aule could easily unmake the ring. He literally taught Sauron how to do it. The problem was the divine refuse to intervene anymore. It kept making things worse. The overall moral is when gods get involved it always gets worse for the mortal life so the best option is to guide their actions and teach them
At the time the ring was manufactured. Sauron was the most powerful entity on Middle-Earth. Only the fires of Mount Doom, originally used to forge the ring, could un-make it.
The real question you chumps should be asking is why the rest of the Valar didn't just fly Tulkas over to Barad-Dûr to casually kick the shit out of Sauron. It's not like Sauron was a man-made (or Elven-made) problem that Men and Elves ought to have to deal with because "muh free will". No, the reason the book gives for avoiding an outright war of the Gods against Sauron is because the last time that happened it broke the planet. But actually if you think about it, the reason the world got broke isn't because the Valar fought Sauron directly, it's because the Valar didn't want to have to slaughter 50 million Nùmenoreans, so they put matters directly into Eru's hands.
But Sauron wasn't particularly powerful in the Third Age compared to the rest of the Valar. He could control weather and he had a lot of orcs working for him? The Valar could've just sent Tulkas carried by an Eagle, dropped him right into Sauron's tower and watched as he bent Sauron over and shafted him.
Instead they inexplicably sent a decrepit amnesiac version of a low tier deity to try and persuade a scattered handful of mortals to take on Satan......
Tulkas is only purpose is to keep Morgoth out of arda. The end of the plot is Morgoth returns from the void with his legions of balrogs and void entities.
The call is heard in valanor and halls of mandos is opened, all the ancient heros return to fight on middle earth including the human Turin, who one v ones morgoth using the black sword and slays his ass for all creatures to witness. At this point arda is fully destroyed, morgoth accomplishing is goals in death and at the same time granting mankind freedom of arda and a glorious return to eru
>the only way to destroy it was mount doom because... because the only way to destroy it was mount doom
Gandalf is not uncorruptable though. In the books, when Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas find him in Fangorn there is a brief moment where he thinks about going and finding Frodo to get the ring to use it against Sauron.
at that point in the book Gandalf had been trolling them and making them think he was Saruman
Not really. When they come across him that was the first time they saw him. The previous night they did in fact see Saruman. Interestingly though Aragorn when Aragorn is talking about who they saw it mentions that the horses didnt seem afraid when they fled, rather that the old man (Saruman) was a friend.
tbh I kind of took the horse thing to mean it was Gandalf, there was some but of dialogue he had that also led me to think this but I can't remember rn
Yeah listening to Aragorn and Legolas that next morning after seeing him they make it sound like it was a benevolent figure (Gandalf). Which i will admit is odd. But when they meet up with Gandalf in Fangorn he flat out tells them it wasnt him they saw the night before and could only be Saruman, who had shown up to check on what happened to Ugluk and the other Uruk Hai
>hmmmm god sent me on a mission to guide humans but not directly interfere.
>last time the divine intervened the entire planet was sundered and half of it rests underneath the ocean
>sauron has already corrupted most of human civilization as they worship him
>only job is to inspire men and tell them they can accomplish their goals if they muster courage, stay true to honor, and devote ourselves to one another.
>the humans and hobbits destroy all evil once and for all
>blessed by the divine and gifted once again the line of Numenorians
>those who participated in the rings destruction are give respite outside the gates of elvish paradise.
>god has given humanity and hobbits the blessing of joining god and separation from middle earth when they die
>considered to be the ultimate gift
The entire reason the Legendarium exists is to pay homage to the grace of god and the humans connection to his spirit. We are not bound to the world like the elvish
>hmmmm god sent me on a mission to guide humans but not directly interfere.
maybe he should have sent someone to help Inceldur. What the fuck was the point of "testing" humans again if this shit has already played out before?
Turns out god was right anyway and his method was perfectly executed against Morgoths twink. Humanity recovers, middle earth is purged of evil and the Numenorian race is restored humbling the planet again with superior love and kindness
>t. hasn't read the book
Seriously i can kind of understanding not wanting to read the book. But for the love of fucking god just read The Council of Elrond chapter where they all just sit and discuss how to get rid of the ring
but what's the fun in that
You are right but as always Tolkien fans are retarded and explain away any obvious plot hole with some bullshit
Because its explained in the context of the canon you retard. Why even argue with Tolkien nerds, they literally read it all and will info dump you
Gandalf's only level 5, he can't cast teleport
The thing you have to accept with LOTR is that the whole story operates on magical destiny logic and that far-fetched or dumb shit that happens was always "meant to happen".
Frodo literally tells Gandalf "Hey this Gollum dude seems fucking nasty and untrustworthy and we should just kill him" and Gandalf literally replies with "Nah I feel he still has some part to play before this story is done" and wouldn't you know it he's the one who leads them to Mt. Doom, and also the one who ultimately destroys the ring when Frodo isn't strong enough.
Hacky writing? Part of the fantastical charm? A bit of both maybe.
Dummy. Gandalf is good. Killing Gollum because "eww" would be bad. Being good is good, so Gandalf ends up being right big time.
So the moral of the story is, forgive your fellow (hobbit) man, even if he's a savage monkey creature?
Does that mean we need more refugees then
Bilbo also just randomly stumbled on the ring and decided to steal it. So killing bad, stealing good?
Also cheated in that fucking riddle game, "what have I got in my pocket?" riddle my ASS.
What did Odin whisper to Baldr on his funeral pyre? It's classic.
Headcanon but maybe Gandalf as a maia can feel some small part of the song of the Ainur subconciously and had a feeling Gollum had a part in it.
I also believe only humans and hobbits have free will at all. Elves, dwarves, maiar etc are bound to the song, the earth etc.
>Headcanon but maybe Gandalf as a maia can feel some small part of the song of the Ainur subconciously and had a feeling Gollum had a part in it.
He definitely has some degree of clairvoyance but he also says "even the wise can not see all ends", he can just nudge people in the right direction. I think it's just something he does subconsciously.
>just keep the ring hidden
Fucking stupid. Its made abundantly clear that Sauron doesnt need the ring to enforce his will on Middle Earth.
>fly the eagles to mordor
Also fucking dumb. Not exactly sneaky is it? Good way to get the eagles fucked off by nazgul and then give the ring back to Sauron
>What do you mean you were "balls deep" in Galadriel? Explain, Sauron!
Bombadil would never accept it
Was a big anvil forged around the Ring then dropped into the ocean hundreds of miles away from the coast too much to do?
destroying the Ring is also the only hope of stopping Sauron. he had enough orc hordes to overrun all of Middle Earth, they would've never won the war.
I was thinking of dumpi g the anvil into the ocean's deepest trenches where nothing at all can ever reach it. Something that is physically impossible to retrieve
It doesnt matter. Sauron still conquers all of middle earth even without the ring
The gravity would crush the ring at some point, isn't?
Was it SO hard to use one of these?
Can you imagine slowly grinding your finger into one of those?
1. Assumedly the ring would be resistant to most forms of magic, either destructive or those used to conceal.
2. It can only be destroyed by Mount Doom. I doubt this is because the lava is so hot but rather due to the magical nature of the ring.
3. They cover this during the council, Tom would most likely lose the ring. Even if he didn't, he would not help during the war and eventually Sauron would destroy his land and take back the ring.
4. Gandalf knows fully well that he is not incorruptible.
5. It was a very risky move but Gandalf planned well ahead with the return of Aragorn as king, a situation he knew would draw Sauron focus, especially if he thought Aragorn had the ring.
You guys should really just read the books if you keep making stupid threads like this.
>1. Use magic to get rid of it or teleport it to some very secret place
This is not possible
>2. Get the elves and dwarves to work together to find a way to destroy it in their workshop
This is not possible
>3. Give it to Tom Bombadil
The books touch upon this during the council of Elrond. Gandalf believes this is not a good option and will fail
>4. Fight sauron and/or take the one ring as Gandalf the incorruptible white and throw it in mount doom.
This is a somewhat major point of discussion in the books and is not a good option
>5. Give it to a tiny peaceful Hobbit with no physical power or any experience, to ubereats deliver it to the enemys doorstep (succeeding only thanks to plot armour, not to mention that balrog could go in the lava and pick it up).
This is the best option and if you read the books you would know this. It is the most final and lasting way to definitively deal with Sauron and it is the best way to do it.
Gondor was losing the war even without the ring
Eru iluvatar could have taken 5 seconds out of his busy schedule of jerking off in Valinor and saved everyone a lot of trouble. It was ultimately his fault anyway.