>But it’s important to remember that Tolkien himself envisioned a number of different people telling stories set in his world. “In his letter to Milton Waldman, it’s letter 131**,” Payne says, “[Tolkien] said he wanted to create an interconnected mythology that still would leave room for ‘other minds and hands wielding paint and music and drama.’ He wanted other artists to come after him and continue to push the boundaries of expanding what Middle-earth could be. It’s a terrifying but awesome responsibility to take the man himself up on his wish and continue his work in building out Middle-earth.**”
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>When is a TV series not a TV series? When it’s a 50-hour movie. “That’s really how we’ve approached The Rings Of Power**,**” says McKay, explaining how — unlike practically all other TV shows, which survive from season to season based on ratings — Amazon have already commissioned five seasons, which the duo have already mapped out in full. “We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be,” teases Payne. “The rights that Amazon bought were for a 50-hour show. They knew from the beginning that was the size of the canvas — this was a big story with a clear beginning, middle and end. There are things in the first season that don’t pay off until Season 5.”
they wont sue shit
Christopher is dead
his israeli grandson is now in charge
>they wont sue shit
Maybe not but they have been typically demanding when it comes to this show already.
It was the Tolkien Estate who chose who would do the English -> Quenya translations for the show, they wouldn't allow Amazon to pick their own people
dude they have non whites in the cast
they also got rid of Tom Shippey
they can do whatever they want as long as the cash keeps flowing
Christopher and perhaps some of his living siblings in time cared about the legacy
the rest don't and will ignore almost anything as long as they get paid
Sounds like a massive loads of headcanon
The entire family is controlling as frick. The fact that they demanded they be the ones to decide the translator for the show should tell you something, they also had final say on the showrunners
Doesn't mean they will made the right decisions but they have retained a large amount of control considering the money Amazon already payed them
if they were so controlling they would demand that the cast was entirely white
if not the humans the elves for sure
but with the modern climate they cant risk a lawsuit for infringing on the work of tolkien becouse they force black elves down peoples throat
>if they were so controlling they would demand that the cast was entirely white
The only want control over the things they care about. Tolkien said that language was the foundation of middle earth so they probably want to make sure its done right. I bet you the show will also heavily features music/song too.
To break it to you, skin tones were not a big thing on Tolkien's mind. He would mention hair/beard colour way more often then he would describe somebody as being pale to swarthy.
>To break it to you, skin tones were not a big thing on Tolkien's mind
because it's obvious they were all white. until today when the israelites try to gaslight us into believing that there were Black folk
>To break it to you, skin tones were not a big thing on Tolkien's mind
you do know that he described the skin tone of every human and elven character that matters
and he described the skintone of every group of humanoids that existed in his world
>and he described the skintone of every group of humanoids that existed in his world
At one point yes but he rarely dwelt on it
Also he described the House of Bëor as being dark haired with skin ranging between pale and swarthy so im not sure why any of you complain when the men don't look 100% the same as each other
but its there and its unchangeable
the only black elves you can get are occasionally some orcs
I'm less annoyed by the human lady than the elf
in Europe then and even today
something like this is considered swarthy
not Congolese Africans or mutts
Swarthy does not mean black you silly c**t. Swarthy is like Collin Farrell.
>Swarthy is like Collin Farrell.
Source? Which letter does he talk about this?
The dictionary.
>he rarely dwelt on it
No shit? It was stated to describe the character, does it have to be stated every time they speak to keep israelites like you from raping their image?
Swarthy means tanned whites, like southern Europeans.
Ben Franklin talked shit about the Germans being swarthy.
Pictured: A black guy apparently
"Fair skin" is used a lot to describe characters.
swarthy isn't black you dumb nog
Still not watching for your black elf or female warrior
everyone will watch it and shit on it
the means will be different tho
>dont have the Cinemaphile one pic related
I’m not even pirating this shit. It is simply not worth my time.
I will, however, gather a few details via thread osmosis and pretend I have while aggressively shitposting
agreed
This, I will never watch it and will continue to viscerally shit on it. Hopefully, I won't have to eat crow in the unlikely event this shit turns out to be any good, but the mere presence of Black person elves and dwarves gives me a get out of jail free card.
>everyone will watch it
Sure bro. Just like Wheel of Time am I right?
tolkien is different
when people ask me why i dont like it id like to be able to name all non whites in it
and all deviations from the lore
lotr autism is older than the internet and people in book clubs in the 70ties anticipated this type of stuff to happen in the future
It's just another bullet in the american culture war, if you watch it they already won.
Why does the pirate look like hikaru nakamura?
>everything about this production is based around contemporary racial politics
and troons pretend to wonder why we won't watch it
Sure but I don't think he meant hamfisting in amerimutt identity politics and diversity by making Black folk elves, dwarves and Rohirrim.
Are you moronic? Are you a zoomer too young to have used the Internet before the Trump Administration?
Intersectionality, Gender Theory, Marxism, ANTIFA, the Frankfurt School, "Hate Speech" Laws, CRT, Communism, Postmodernism, Transexualism, etc., were all literally invented in Europe. There presence in America at all is sopleky due to Europeans spreading their cancer.
Europeans also openly acknowledged thus but claimed it was a "GOOD thing" and called you a "redneck" for disagreeing for 50+ years (IRL and then also online, including on Cinemaphile) and couldn't shut up about how America was "too rightwing" and and "racist" and needed to abandon Jesus and guns and embrace Socialism and homosexuality and abortion. That went on for decades, all the way up until about three or four years ago.
Then they turned on a dime the second they couldn't deny the insanity of terrorist shit they had supported anymore and SUDDENLY patriotism and nationalism and Christianity and traditionalism and white suppremacy were suddenly cool and not "for rednecks" and America was bad for NOT having these things AND WAS ALSO the source of all Leftist evagelisim and retroactively always had been.
Well yeah but all of those were literally coopted by usa like how marcuse worked for oss etc. and now arguably usa is the stronghold of international postmodernism.
you say European instead of israelite
CRT began in the United States in the post–civil rights era, as 1960s landmark civil rights laws were being eroded and schools were being re-segregated
The concept of intersectionality was introduced to the field of legal studies by black feminist scholar Kimberlé Crenshaw
moronic redneck channer
>Muh civil right being eroded
Nothing eroded civil rights more than Civil Rights Law. Leftist pension for revisionist history is really something.
>my civil rights were hurt because I had to see a black person once
>my civil rights are being eroded by the push for unequal treatment under the law based on race, sex, and class
yea? literally. literally literally.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Forced bussing made everything worse for whites and blacks. Griggs vs. Duke unironically made it harder for middle class blacks to get employment. Per child welfare decimated the black family because filthy degenerate israeli leftist were using blacks as guinea pigs for their post nuclear family gay utopia.
bussing was a massive crime against whites. everyone who could fled but the ones that stayed got brutalized and victimized on MASSIVE scale. Black folk are fricking animals.
>Europeans
>muh yuros
>muh jebus
>muh gunz
moron confirmed.
>mutts go full moron with SJW identity politics
>blame it on muh yuros
cope
Never going to watch this garbage. I won't even torrent it
>Amazon have already commissioned five seasons
>There are things in the first season that don’t pay off until Season 5
AKA when this show gets cancelled you WILL get a Rome S2 tier crunch
The show would unironically be better as a fast paced second age summary than filled with OC drama
>Season 5
The absolute hubris of the corporate machine
>, which the duo have already mapped out in full. “We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be,” teases Payne.
So much of those outrage channels saying these guys don't have a plan.
>>have no plan
>lie and say you have it all mapped out
It's almost like I don't believe these people. They're just saying it because that's a big complaint people gave to star wars
There is no such thing as a plot that is mapped out in full from beginning to end. Things always change from one season to another. If one character or another receives critical acclaim, one leaves, another one enters, there is always tinkering that changes the roadmap. But that said there is no fricking way they have five seasons even dimly arranged, this shit is going to die season 1 and maybe get a second if it's lucky. Everyday people are not THAT into the series and fans truly hate this abomination. I will be genuinely shocked if this goes past season 2, and mildly surprised if it gets even that.
It's going to get all 5 seasons because this is Bezos' personal Game of Thrones. He doesn't care if it does well or not. It's for him.
>There is no such thing as a plot that is mapped out in full from beginning to end.
Wrong, GRRM even named that type of writing style the architect compared to the gardener which is what you described. Also LOTR movies were planned from beginning to end and even shot all at once.
soulless
>Amazon have already commissioned five seasons
Cool.
Cool on what?
just frick my shit up
Yeah when I think LOTR I think 50 hours what's that but 5 times more then the initial extended cut films. I am sure keeping quality over that time frame & pacing will be very easy.
Look how awful the Hobbit films were trying to stretch a fairly short single novel into a trilogy of 3 hour movies and realize this show has even less source material to rely on
>Amazon have already commissioned five seasons, which the duo have already mapped out in full. “We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be,” teases Payne. “The rights that Amazon bought were for a 50-hour show. They knew from the beginning that was the size of the canvas — this was a big story with a clear beginning, middle and end. There are things in the first season that don’t pay off until Season 5
I know rings of power will be ass, but I really appreciate when showrunners do this. Shows that clearly have no idea where they are going such as The Boys suffer really fricking hard.
While that's good, they better not go too far up their own ass and have episodes that don't make much sense "until much later". Episodes still have to stand on their own merits.
Too bad they can't even get the basic demographics of Middle Earth correct, so anything they do is already going to suck.
>When is a TV series not a TV series? When it’s a 50-hour movie. “That’s really how we’ve approached The Rings Of Power**,**” says McKay, explaining how — unlike practically all other TV shows, which survive from season to season based on ratings — Amazon have already commissioned five seasons, which the duo have already mapped out in full. “We even know what our final shot of the last episode is going to be,”
If it's a movie you'd know every shot
Must be why the Tolkien estate sued Gary Gygax for setting the original Dungeons and Dragons in middle earth.
The Tolkien Estate has a long history of suing people when they overstep their mark. Last big one was the WB case, doubt it will be the last
Is this image official or just fanmade?
All the Galadriel stuff looks pretty good in all honestly
sweetheart, they allowed the hobbit
ain't no way in hell this'll be worse than the hobbit films
I don't think they had any legal leverage on The Hobbit movies themselves.
They took legal action once WB started using it to promote slot machines and other gambling games, which they said had done 'irreparable harm the legacy of JRR Tolkien'
It all got settled out of court in the end
The Hobbit will shit on the Amazon series.
>ain't no way in hell this'll be worse than the hobbit films
Let's not say things we can't take back.
The Hobbit trilogy will literally look like a masterpiece compared to the TV show. They don't have the rights to the Silmarillion. They can only use the LOTR trilogy and the appendices. That is not enough source material for a 10 hour, let alone a 50 hour TV series.
This will be 100 times worse than the Halo TV show.
>They don't have the rights to the Silmarillion.
I heard that alot, but it makes zero sense to me, considering that they teased a bunch of 1st age stuff. Hell, pre-1st age, with the trees still being alive.
Checked. They are allowed to use the LOTR Trilogy including the appendices. So if something is mentioned in BOTH the LOTR books AND the Silmarillion, they can use it. If it's only in the Silmarillion it's verboten.
But is the Oath of Feanor in LOTR though? I don't think it is
Seriously, how are they going to fill the time? this material isn't fit for a long TV series unless they somehow get genius writers (which they haven't)
Hell even The Lord of The Rings would be too long for a series format, let alone appendices and summaries
lotr and the hobbit is doable if they wanted to
the 2nd age out of the appendices isnt
it blew my mind when they said "we dont own the rights for the silmarilions"
the filler between the "plot" will be pure fanfiction aimed at modern american pop culture sentiments
the fricking added a black elf who has romantic feelings for a white human single mother
they cant help themselves
>the filler between the "plot" will be pure fanfiction aimed at modern american pop culture sentiments
>the fricking added a black elf who has romantic feelings for a white human single mother
>they cant help themselves
This is a disgrace because it is something very rare that only happened a few times in history
true and even i raised an eyebrow when i learned about dol amroth and their princes supposed lineage
and thats the only case where outright mixing of the kindred happened outside of the main narrative
They will make shit up. They will fill screentime with interpersonal drama, politics or le epic quip.
I'd even wager money that at some point they'll literally say the "The Shadow that bred them can only mock" quote as an "epic win" against the doubtful.
It only "might" be the Oath of Feanor. I'd have to go and look through the appendices and see if they mention it somewhere, but a "problem" is Tolkien's style of writing. Sometimes he will condense a few years of happenings into a few sentences. Which will leave it open for complete interpretation by the unprofessional and untalented hollywood/amazon writers.
Alternative scenario is they get sued and the entire series really goes up in flames before our eyes. Arguably that timeline would see more justice done than our own.
They will make shit up. They will fill screentime with interpersonal drama, politics or le epic quip.
I'd even wager money that at some point they'll literally say the "The Shadow that bred them can only mock" quote as an "epic win" against the doubtful.
Lol that's worrying because the best they've been able to muster thus far is:
-Put down your sword
-You haven't seen what I've seen
-I've seen things...
-NO NO YOU REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT I'VE SEEN
That's what is legitimately worrying. They don't even have the outline of a plot. Like everybody is supposed to watch because they heard of LOTR already. Like a few images of sword and fantasy world is all that it takes.
They don't need to awe me with their writing in the trailer. But they'd actually need to show that there's a story here. And I doubt we will get one, and I doubt it's going to be very cohesive.
Well, it should have rings of power in there. I sort of want a story about how the 9 and 7 got corrupted.
>Hell even The Lord of The Rings would be too long for a series format
I beg to differ. I think it's actually the perfect length for sort of longer-mini-series territory. The excellent 1981 BBC radioplay (find it and listen to it if you haven't) was originally 26 30-minute episodes, later edited to 13 one-hour episodes. Both versions break up the story quite nicely - about five hours for covering Fellowship, four for Towers and four for Return. It's not much longer than the full EEs.
Tolkien's grandkids don't give a frick, Christopher Tolkien was the one stopping people from shitting on his father's work.
They will sue if money is involved. Which it is.
they wont do shit
Christopher is dead
>Last big one was the WB case, doubt it will be the last
The WB case over Hobbit left the Tolkien estate effectively bankrupt. They settled with WB in the summer of 2017 and Christopher was forced to resign a few weeks later. Three months later the Amazon deal was signed.
The Tolkien estate was crushed like everyone else.
Only Christopher Tokien gave a shit. Everyone jumped on the gravy train after he died
This. Chris couldn't kill the Amazon series, resigned in shame, then promptly died.
You guys should read his foreword to Beren and Luthien it's basically his final statement on the absolute state of LotR.
It wasn't set in middle earth you fricking moron it just stole races and monsters from that setting. But it was an entirely different world, based on Wisconsin actually, which is where Gary grew up. And Christopher Tolkien was right to do it. Stealing the creatures was fine but he should have at least changed the names (which he did later anyway, for stuff like treat and Balor). Not that it was much good anyway, because I'm the end most fantasy settings don't actually need these other races and it just led to DnD being filled up with freakshit. I get so fricking sick and tired of DMing for people and they want to play a tiefling. Like, that's a literal fricking demonspawn. Why the frick would that be tolerated in this starting village? You would be lynched on sight. No, you cannot play a gnoll, those are vicious cannibal savages. No, you cannot play a goliath, they live thousands of miles away, why the frick is one here?
>b-b-b-but you have no imagination
Shut the FRICK up. I am so sick of these fricking twats who think le epic freakshit race = creativity. It doesn't. You're picking a race out of a book. Why don't you play a fricking HUMAN which is what you are statistically most likely to be in this world given demographics, and think of something to make your character exotic or interesting from there? Like holy frick frick off. At least in LOTR the races serve a narrative purpose. You just want to be a special snowflake homosexual.
Nobody cares, nerd.
You're in a thread seething about blacks in LOTR and you're calling me a nerd? Nice. Run through a glass sliding door irl and die like that kid in that white angel short story my homosexual liberal prostitute high English teacher made me read in high school.
Blow me.
Never played HeroQuest but I've heard of it. Runequest was also supposed to be good. I mostly play basic DnD now because it doesn't contain all these sõyisraelite races.
NTA but HeroQuest was basically an introduction to D&D. It was a boardgame in which one player played as the Dungeon Master and the others picked from pre-selected heroes with their own statlines. It was much closer to modern games such as Descent, in which the players follow a campaign of missions exploring the gameboard, and the DM essentially just controls and rolls for the opponents. Very much so a boardgame, but it was one of the things that got me into D&D along with the introductory scenario in the 1st ed red book my friend had that his dad bought years prior.
have sex
with you?
Ever play heroquest anon? I always liked the Dwarf
Based. I don’t play dnd much but the last game or campaign or whatever they’re called I played in I told the DM I wanted to be a white human who used longswords. One guy wanted to be a dwarven automoton, one guy was a lizard man, one guy was a half giant. One guy wanted to be a snake/woman hybrid thing and he kept rolling to seduce random npcs. Dnd people need to be exterminated
Yeah I like that exotic shit, but when EVERYONE plays it it just becomes pedestrian. Maybe have ONE freakshit in a party, max. The rest should be humans dwarves or halflings.
As if this gay b***hing on /tg/ wasn't enough.
Obsessed.
touch grass
your homosexual game's mascot is a fricking mary sue drow femboy that has nothing to do on the surface under the sun.
nobody needs you to DM you'll never be a woman.
This is somewhat of an overreaction, but I tend to agree. I like having an ensemble cast of heroes as much as the next guy, but there needs to be some kind of care taken to build a story and bring them together instead of having tieflings, half-orcs, and dragonborn all living in the same starting village. If you're DM'ing with friends that just want to play a tabletop version of Streets of Rage, that's fine. There's a place for that, and it can be good fun. But for me it sucks the fun out of it at times, when you're all building a narrative together and the rules and setting just allow for the stupidest, zany shit. I get it's what D&D has sort of devolved into, and it's part of the charm, but the most fun I have is when everyone gets together and discover other worlds and these creatures creep in slowly.
It's great when everyone actually DOES roleplay, you know? The hulking half-orc has to wear a hooded cloak as the party trudges along the main road to the pub, wary that at any moment the townsfolk could find out there's a monster among them. I've found that in situations like these the players tend to appreciate more attention given to their character even if negative. It makes them feel like they're actually playing, you know, a CHARACTER. Instead of a stat-sheet they exploit to get bigger numbers.
my friends and i always set our homebrew campaigns in middle earth, our dm was a huge tolkien nerd (ended up growing up to be a lit prof) and was very good at filling out locations and lore so we stuck with that and never did any of those homosexual demonspawn races, and the only time we ever went outside the elves/dwaves/men/halflings fare was the time we did an evil campaign where we were all orcs/goblins
this is a misrepresentation of the highest order. still will not watch the trainwreck
Tolkien shat on almost every single one of his contemporary writers, I can't imagine an author less interested in having his own donut steel OC sullied by another author's hands.
the shills trying desperately trying to convince people is just making things worse. It's kind of sad they don't realize this. However I don't really feel sorry for the showrunners, the absolute hubris they exude in interviews is astounding.
I won't even hate watch this
An excerpt of letter 131:
Christ, I hate people who write like this.
Tongue my anus Black person, thats Tolkiens letter. Read it like it is or go and dilate you hairy ape
Writing like this is fine, it's
>Verily, I am left wanting that thou should tongue my rectum!
that does my head in.
People didn't always write like brainless morons, it's true.
tolkien wasn't some fedora tipper going "m'lady", he was the real deal
kind of like the difference between some wannabe gangsta white boy speaking versus an actual black guy from the ghetto, as much as I dislike them both I can tell one is genuine and the other is a twat
after reading the actual letter
I don't see where Tolkien said "Yeah you can twist my works into something that suit your personal agenda".
Is that why you didn't use a direct qoute from the letter and resorted to paraphrasing?
didn't watch witcher
didn't watch wheel of time
won't watch this
Based, frick modern fantasy, it's worse than marvelshit.
But you did watch Arcane.
Check mate bro 😐
i havent watched single new tv show since 2019
I haven't watched a single TV show since 2006
I haven't watched a single TV show at all, it's all shit
Sorry shill, still won't watch it.
Ill probbaly skip all minority scenes and only watch Galadriel ones.
>woman
>not a minority
Cool it with the misogyny
Imagine me, a writer active on Twitter, with hardly any writing credentials except tumblr fanfic. I somehow land a lead writer gig on Rings of Power because I sold myself well.
To "push the boundaries" and "expand" Middle-earth, I decide all elves from now on are Asian. I'm talking specific pale Korean beauties. I will also introduce dark elves into Middle-earth, the Japanese gyaru (think Aika, a whole bunch Aikas).
How did this change come about? We're just going to pretend elves were always like that. No explanation.
Any questions/comments?
if you cast anri okita as galadriel you can have my money
>I decide all elves from now on are Asian. I'm talking specific pale Korean beauties
would unironically be way better than making them a random hodgepodge of amerimutts
>hodgepodge of amerimutts
There are barely any Americans in the cast
a Black person is a Black person. darker, swarthy, smelly… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one Black person and another… I’d rather not choose at all.
Are you ok?
i think he is quite on point
He CUTE
I hope Amazon loses a lot of money
kek, troony morons on copium. Tolkien hated fanfiction:
>12 December 1966
76 Sandfield Road, Headington, Oxford
Dear Miss Hill,
I send you the enclosed impertinent contribution to my troubles. I do not know what the legal position is, I suppose that since one cannot claim property in inventing proper names, that there is no legal obstacle to this young ass publishing his sequel, if he could find any publisher, either respectable or disreputable, who would accept such tripe.
I have merely informed him that I have forwarded his letter and samples to you. I think that a suitable letter from Allen & Unwin might be more effective than one from me. I once had a similar proposal, couched in the most obsequious terms, from a young woman, and when I replied in the negative, I received a most vituperative letter.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely,
J. R. R. Tolkien.
That's it, OP. I'm unleashing my special attack. Made especially for heckin' shills like YOU!
*spins around in a circle with my fists outstretched*
*slowly walks towards you and the entire writing team for Amazon's Rings of Power as my tornado of fists gathers speed*
It's over for you! Haaaa!
*my punches shred through your bodies like wet tissue paper*
Heh. That put an end to you.
*it was an illusion*
heh
*teleports behind you*
Love seeing all the chuds tear, stay mad "your mythology" is ours now
God I hope this shit is a critically acclaimed high quality smash hit, for two reasons.
1. To make you c**ts seethe
2. To give me something to watch.
>high quality
kek
Have you seen the trailers? It looks like some shitty fanfic movie.
Kek sure it does. Seethe more while Galadriel gets BLACKED
Hey yo we wuz elves and shit.
What's going on here?
Battle of Tears
Unnumbered tears? Could be I guess
b***h just walked out of ground zero
Period
A huge bag of cheetos exploded
ROP cant be kin-
Cinemaphile “Christian” using religion while being racist #6428753
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unironically more interesting than nu-LOTR
The guy playing her brother is looks like the chaddest elf
Nothing says 'European mythology' quite like black people
Slavs aren't white, so it's not that far off.
a phrase so israeli its no wonder they invented it
but why is it specifically Black folk? no asians, no latinos, no arabs. just whites and a lot of Black folk.
Because they're trendy.
>Tolkien specifically meant more black people
I don't think he wrote that.
> Tar-Míriel the Queen, fairer than silver or ivory or pearls
>fairer than silver or ivory or pearls
Tolkien was referring to her outfit
Morf
That's right anon
>Cinemaphile watches every fricking episode of Kenobi.
>They think they're above watching Rings of Black Power.
I watched none of that Black person filled shit. Not even a trailer.
>projection: the post
can someone qrd me on why is everyone mad about the trailer?
>why is everyone mad about the trailer?
I didn't actually realise people were tbh
the yt comment section is full of snarky comments, but idk enough about this to understand what they are alluding to
I honestly didn't notice, the only characters that stood to me where the elves having a conversation on who has seen more shit or something, are they not the protagonists?
>I honestly didn't notice
frick off, you noticed
your little play innocent routine is transparent
you will always be a redditor
No, I didn't, it isn't as obvious as netflix's resident evil for example, it's full of panoramic shots, and I have no idea who the important characters are, I haven't watched lord of the rings honestly, so can you explain to me why should I,too, be mad about this?
lotr is a constructed english mythology
meaning no non whites
its that simple
oh, thanks. That's what I needed to know
np friend
its contains spoilers that show that the cast in non white
Not sure about mad, I'm just disappointed. It has become clear that there won't be a plot. It's just going to be medieval fantasy soap opera.
There is no known plot 2 months before release, compare it to this
This could have been Galadriel.
What happened ?
Could you imagine what you could accomplish artistically with the budget Amazon spent on this garbage?
You could have the 7 season bloodborne show with deadwood tier actors I have been carrying around in my head for years.
>Yeah I would have used that money to make a show about my favourite Japanese video game!
the state of this place.
You would have loved it, anon.
This mystery meat is playing Isildur. Forget black elves and dwarves, they're making Numenoreans swarthy meds, even though their ancestors AND descendants are northern euro-looking. All because they want the show to reflect the real world, so they're making Numenor into ancient Rome with a Sicilian population.
It's the kid from Mr Beans Holiday btw
while they were inspired in part by rome they should not look like romans
raised above other men, kings among men, with inherited traits of the men who fought against melkor and moved westwards the greatest of them grey eyed
they will use any avenue to diversify the cast no matter what
where most of the cast shouldn't even include all European phenotypes
quintessentially like Viggo Mortensen
moron
Fwiw I think this will turn out surprisingly good
Taking that quote alone and without any context is pure dishonesty. Here’s the full quote from the letter to Milton Waldman:
>Do not laugh! But once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of romantic fairy-story-the larger founded on the lesser in contact with the earth, the lesser drawing splendour from the vast backcloths – which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country. It should possess the tone and quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit for the more adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry. I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. Absurd.
For more of his letters, check here:
>https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59d68c02c534a5079b390c38/t/5c2d3e3f575d1f37b45d4750/1546468936692/the_letters_of_j.rrtolkien.pdf#page167
This man was unfathomably based. It’s sad seeing what these vultures are doing to his world and characters.
That letter is super long
>But an equally basic passion of mine ab initio was for myth (not allegory!) and for fairy-story, and above all for heroic legend on the brink of fairy-tale and history, of which there is far too little in the world (accessible to me) for my appetite. I was an undergraduate before thought and experience revealed to me that these were not divergent interests – opposite poles of science and romance – but integrally related. I am not 'learned'† in the matters of myth and fairy-story, however, for in such things (as far as known to me) I have always been seeking material, things of a certain tone and air, and not simple knowledge. Also – and here I hope I shall not sound absurd – I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English, save impoverished chap-book stuff. Of course there was and is all the Arthurian world, but powerful as it is, it is imperfectly naturalized, associated with the soil of Britain but not with English; and does not replace what I felt to be missing. For one thing its 'faerie' is too lavish, and fantastical, incoherent and repetitive. For another and more important thing: it is involved in, and explicitly contains the Christian religion.
Preview for the upcoming EW edition
Couple of quotes
>"Numenor was one place that we were just laser-focused on saying, 'We need to get this right,'" explains co-showrunner JD Payne, who created the show with Patrick McKay. "It's never been seen before. People have some ideas of what elves look like or what dwarves look like and what those kingdoms might look like. But Númenor was, in some ways, a blank canvas."
>"We were not interested in doing a show about the younger version of the same world you knew, where it's a little bit of a prequel," McKay explains. "We wanted to go way, way, way back and find a story that could exist on its own two feet. This was one that we felt hadn't been told on the level and the scale and with the depth that we felt it deserved."
they will frick that up just as they fricked the cast
Everything is a blank canvas when you're utterly ignorant of the source material.
Stop crying b***h
Choke on a chocolate turd, homosexual.
It's amazing how they miscast everyone in the worst imaginable ways
ignoring the really big things im also amazed that they dont give all numenorians with royal blood grey eyes
>new Lord of the Rings has women warriors in it
wow cool this is exactly what I want there's nothing that gets me more erect than a woman in realistic armor cutting off the heads of orcs and paynim
>it also has lots of Black folk in it
this is where I start getting butthurt and start growling disgruntledly, but I suppose I can tolerate a few blackamoor pickaninnies as long as they aren't negrifying important established characters like Elendil or Feanor or Bandobras Took
if they start putting gays and trannies and communism and transparent complaints about Trump into it that's when I'm going to do something drastic (in minecraft)
>negrifying important established characters like Elendil or Feanor
Negranor would be hilarious to see tbh. His only redeeming qualities are speech and craftsmanship skills.
>inadvertently sucks all the life out of his mother causing her to wither and die
>ends up falling for Melkor's slander
>refuses to part with his treasure denying everyone the chance to revive the literal sources of light in the whole world
>kills his own kinsmen - and is the first to do so
>disrespects, abandons literal deities who would like nothing more than to nourish elves
>takes a chunk of elves with him, places them under a terrible oath
>betrays his own followers
>causes more death among his own kin
>charges in and dies like a tard
His misdeeds end up haunting Middle-Earth for thousands of years to come. Talented as he may have been, he owed most of it to his lineage and spent his life as an insufferable prick. Having him be a kang would make only too much sense.
Lot of brain worms in this thread
go be obsessed with blacks somewhere else
>they've paid for 5 seasons up front
This is going to be a fricking amazing disaster.
gil-galad got what he deserved
uh oh
>"Trust me, Tolkien totally said I could use his universe to make new stories!"
Blacks aside whats with the design of the lamp? heat burns the handle and it looks to made of paper
>Ayo mah Took, where da pipe weed at?
they just had to choose the ugliest Black person mutts too
Yup, on purpose too. Tolkien’s gotta be spinning in his grave right now.
quite moronic if i might say so
i wont even touch on the fact that they probably cant even make paper since they are pre shire and pre contact
but overall its made out of highly flammable material
You just dont get it.
Indiginous peoples (Harfoot) technology isnt just better than industrially made lamps it also has a much smaller ecological footprint because they dont use fussil fuels.
they cant use magic and if the fricking lamp runs on fireflies or some random glowing rock than idk what to tell you
Are those the ancient and extinct Hobbit habilis that evolved into third age hobbits?
They will need to explain how black hobbits went extinct later
Lol you’re right, that’s a really dumb design.
Didn’t even notice because used to hurricane lamps with modern technology, but even then they have a heat shield
Wow, this is very reassuring as a hardcore Tolkien fan. I will be subscribing to Amazon Prime for the low cost of $14.99 per month to watch Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on September 2nd. Thank you Mr. Bezos!
these two hacks making the series
why are they white?
D I V E R S I T Y I S O U R S T R E N G T H
Also don't forget to pay your climate tax.
It's the Witcher and Wheel of Time all over again
no they will sell it as a great success no matter what
everyone is adapting the netflix model of viewership reporting
where in the past it was ~70% of the show or movie
now its the first 2minutes
and when they self report they include figures i the range of
(amount of minutes of the show(sum of a given season)) x the number of views according to the netflix standard
and you get "minutes watched" in the hundred millions or billions
>Elves are, by Mortal standards, extraordinarily good looking. In LotR, Faramir notes their reputation for being "wondrous fair." Legolas is "fair of face beyond the measure of men." The beauty of both Galadriel and of Arwen is mentioned repeatedly, and there are numerous other mentions of Elvish beauty throughout Tolkien's works. Elves as a group are often called "Fair Folk."
>Elves are pale skinned. Most Elves have dark hair and grey or blue-grey eyes. The Vanyar, the least numerous of the three Kindreds of the Eldar, have blond hair and blue eyes.
But in CURRENT YEAR they look like utterly average people you see working at the post office. This is a good thing.
It's also important to note that Tolkien likely meant people as skilled and aesthetically appreciative as he was. Not some random soulless lefty Bergs trying to push some modern propaganda SEVENTY FRICKING YEARS AFTER HE WROTE THAT LETTER.
No, chud. This is your cope again.
>you dont think about blacks 24/7 like i do?
>i worship blacks and so should you
>chud
>This guy playing the s1 villain tease quoting early Silmarillion shit
What did he mean by this?
He means that his mere appearance is a light to the darkness that holds the fans.
he is telling bran and john to burn down the trees
MOOOOORF
I liked the writing on the only speaking part in the trailer. It was like:
"You have not seen what I have seen."
"I have seen my share."
"You have not seen."
Truly like something Tolkien would have written himself. He would approve.
It's just a bunch of lines mashed together by the marketing dept.
Like here she talks about an unseen enemy still being out there and then its a completely different scene where she says the 'you have not seen what I have seen' lines
i want to cum down her throat
>you haven't seen what i have seen
>ive seen my share
>you haven't seen what i have seen (sassy face)
This is some groundbreaking Tolkien dialogue
Obviously an ambitious Noldor woman who was taught sorcery by angels and subsequently rebelled against them to pursue land and power in Middle Earth is best portrayed as a flippant teenage capeshit
>5'3 fatshit
Why would she be fat if she's adventuring
Explain
>literally rebelled against God
and you're surprised that she acts like a typical entitled teenage atheist?
It's been a long, long time since she stopped being anything like a "teenager"
She was a "rebel", but not "take up arms and fight like a warrior"-type. There's a difference, you homosexual.
she literally joined Fingolfin's army
Join doesn't mean take up arms. Galadriel was known to be wise, so aided in other ways than just pick up a sword (logistics, planning, whatever the frick).
this is incredible cope, next thing you'll tell me is that Eowyn didn't exist and it was actually Dernhelm who defeated the Witch-King
Difference is Eowyn was specifically described as a warrior. Galadriel was not.
>if it doesn't explicitly show how Galadriel took her sword and cut off orc heads, it doesn't mean she actually fought!
cope
and
sneed
>5'3
>6/10
Galadriel was described as 6'4 and a 10/10.
How much is Bezos paying you for this? $3.95 an hour?
>6'4 and a 10/10
neither was Blanchet.
Blanchett is 5'8 or 5'9 which is taller than average. She also has an unusual beauty and grace.
This Morfydd woman is just some Welsh slag that's entirely average and forgettable.
but she wasn't taller than Boromir and Aragorn which makes Peter Jackson's movies SHIT
the movies didnt have blacks and mistery meats
>haradrim
im not talking about the servants of the enemy
thou if you desire black faces that is where you can cast some
What I don't understand is what the frick the people in charge are smoking:
>hire inexperienced writers and producers
>hire inexperienced actresses
Like wouldn't you want to bring out the big guns for you billion dollar production?
Wouldn't you try to get the AAA actors? Wouldn't you want highly experienced writers?
Or is this show supposed to be a shakedown cruise? Make the shittiest LOTR show possible and see if people still buy prime for it?
I'm literally the guy b***hing that she's too fricking short in every thread
This is twisting words to suit your purpose while ignoring what Galadriel was show to have actually done.
>first quote
>includes an asterisk explaining a word
>a very fricking common word
>as though people who read Tolkien are illiterate
Not even going to read the rest of that crap, it insulted my intelligence right from the get go.
insulting your intelligence seems to be necessary evil when you consider the lack of intelligence in the post beneath yours
So it didn’t stop any arguments. Not an image worth much.
Might be better to remove asterisk and include definition by Tolkien, but hey, I don’t really care.
>Not even going to read the rest of that crap
kek running away from evidence like a pussy
you mean your non canon evidence
since it isnt in the Silmarillion
which overrides all contradictions in past works and future reprints
>She was a proud amazon!
>That's why it's acceptable Amazon cast her as a 5'3 fat with indignant teenager rage wearing 14th century gothic armor meshed with yoga pants!
i dont see a quote from the Silmarillion
into the trash it goes for not being canon
Galadriel was described as an AMAZON which is specifically what Tolkien calls warrior woman type, Tolkien called Eowyn this at first and then changed it to say that Eowyn was just somebody capable of great feats in combat in times of crisis
What this means is that Eowyn is not a warrior woman at heart, yet Galadriel is or at least could be if she wanted to be
Described as having the will on an amazon, not actually an amazon. Describing her disposition as having a warrior spirit doesn't make her a warrior. It just means she was hot-headed and feisty.
>not "take up arms and fight like a warrior"-type
Nice quads
Is this supposed to be agreeing or refuting me? I can't tell
Either way the mediocre Kingdom of Heaven movie basically did a much, much scaled down version of this trope with Eva Green's character who nominally worked with the moderates but only to consolidate her power and secure a kingdom following the succession
Neither did she look like a child or prance around sassing people
>you have not seen wut i have seen!!!
With a god-ugly look on her face
No you don't, but
>fat
>ugly
>short
She's the Ungaladriel, so why would they have her playing the major character?
She's not fat, just bulked up, and she's pretty too. Height can be dealt with.
now post the numbers of the letters where he said that and if you dont have those post the excerpts where she is described that way in the Silmarillion
You don't have to have a 6'4'' actress playing Galadriel when the film industry has been making Tom Cruise look leading man height for more than three decades. In fact, Morf scaled to Galadriel height would be packing much more muscle than a Debicki-like lanklet ever would.
A lack of height can be forgiven. Aragorn was supposed to be like 6'6" after all. A lack of gravitas can't be forgiven
>He would approve.
that homie dead, senpai
>my Master, Bezos the great, bids thee welcome. is there anyone with authority to treat with me?
>we do not come to treat with Bezos. Faithless and accursed. Tell your master this, the producers of Amazon Prime must disband. He is to forget these books, never to return.
>Ah, old greybeard.
>I have a token I was bidden to show thee.
*plays trailer*
>NOOOO
>silence!
>NOOO, LOTR!
>the franchise was dear to thee I see
>know that it suffered greatly at the hand of his host
>who would’ve known one so beloved could endure so much pain. But it did Gandalf, it did.
LET THE LAIRD OF THE BLACKED LAND COME FAIRTH!
Galadriel was never shown to be a warrior, and they figured they might as well make her one? If they want a strong female warrior, why would they pick an established character that is definitely not? Just comb the Tolkien works for a female warrior elf, or just make one up.
Galadriel is based, she can do whatever the hell she wants
that would make her unironically evil and on the side of meklor, not opposed to him
the whole point of good is you don't do whatever the hell you want
I wouldn't say Galadriel is entirely good though.... I mean she literally dreamed of 'dominion over middle earth'
>good and evil
Childish.
>moral relativism
cringeish
She literally leaves valinor to fight in a war you moronic Black person
She "led" a rebellion, but not from the front. She was not a warrior.
>also frick troony mods for warning me for saying Black person
>Galadriel
>One of the greatest of the Elves in Middle-earth, she surpassed nearly all others in beauty, knowledge, and power.
In current year she's a 7/10 human. This is a good thing!
Sorry but Morf is kino and Galadriel should be thicc when she's adventuring.
that's not thicc. the netherlands have more massive hills than that
actually kind of ugly
Just no
Reminder that any talk about race in relation to Rings of Power is a deliberate distraction to cover this part up
How 'Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' got a major boost from J.J. Abrams and a 'GOT' producer
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-jj-abrams-game-of-thrones
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power lands on Prime Video Friday, Sep. 2.
By Josh Weiss
With great budget comes great responsibility, which ultimately landed on the shoulders of showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay, a duo with a limited Hollywood track record that includes co-writing the screenplay for 2016's Star Trek Beyond. Luckily, that very project put them on the radar of producer J.J. Abrams, who apparently went to bat for them when Amazon was looking for its creative leads.
“We were a little bit of a dark horse. And Amazon talked to absolutely everybody — whoever had any idea for Lord of the Rings," McKay recalled to Vanity Fair.
“We were passionate about the material and had a take that matched Amazon’s appetites and ambition," added Payne. He continued: "We felt like hobbits. We felt like two very small people in a very big world who had just been entrusted with something that meant so much to so many different people."
The showrunners also had the benefit of relying on Bryan Cogman, a veteran writer and producer on HBO's Game of Thrones, who boarded The Rings of Power in an advisory capacity. Who better to guide Payne and McKay than someone with intimate knowledge of how mega-expensive fantasy shows come together? And when production finally got underway, director J.A. Bayona (A Monster Calls, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom) was tapped to helm the first two episodes.
Look, Jeff Bezos knows what it takes to make a great TV show
And yet they still managed to frick it up.
Imagine being such a groveling bootlicker that you write something like that unironically about a fricking piece of shit like Bezos.
>got it boss, we'll put more trannies into the show
better casting
It's Morfydd time
Yes.
>Even among the Eldar she was accounted beautiful, and her hair is held a marvel unmatched. It is golden like the hair of her father and of her foremother Indis, but richer and more radiant, for its gold is touched by some memory of the starlike silver of her mother; and the Eldar say that the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion, has been snared in her tresses.
Sounds like Morf!
I like Cate too but she looked better as Hela
>Even among the Eldar she was accounted beautiful, and her hair is held a marvel unmatched. It is golden like the hair of her father and of her foremother Indis, but richer and more radiant, for its gold is touched by some memory of the starlike silver of her mother; and the Eldar say that the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion, has been snared in her tresses.
doesn't come close to her
Ya, she actually looks like a mystical creature.
This b***h just looks like your average 6/10 thot.
She was a great casting. Strangely beautiful, regal, yet ominous and alien.
This new casting is just some random somewhat pretty girl.
It looks great, all her own too
Morf with a scotch egg
I think he meant more like the Jackson trilogy adapting it and modernizing it, rather than exploiting it
Why did they turn Elrond into a fugly manlet. How did they frick up the casting this bad?
WE WUZ NUMENORIAN KWEENS
twisting the knife
Based, stay mad chuds. LOTR belongs to the woke kings now.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER THREAD
>CALLING BLACK ACTORS WOKE IS GLOBOhomosexual AGENDA TO REMIND ABOUT THE WHITE UKRAINIANS
DIVIDE AND CONQUER THREAD
>CALLING BLACK ACTORS WOKE IS GLOBOhomosexual AGENDA TO REMIND ABOUT THE WHITE UKRAINIANS
DIVIDE AND CONQUER THREAD
>CALLING BLACK ACTORS WOKE IS GLOBOhomosexual AGENDA TO REMIND ABOUT THE WHITE UKRAINIANS
I'd watch a series about nothing but Galadriel doing naked laps in a pond
REMINDER THAT THE REASON YOU SHOULD BE HATING THIS MOVIE IS BECAUSE THEY MADE GALADRIEL AN ELFLET WHEN SHE'S ONE OF THE TALLEST ELVES EVER TO LIVE
A GALADRIEL THAT IS LESS THAN 7 FEET TALL IS NO GALADRIEL TO ME
There is meant to be a new full length trailer coming Friday btw
bit weird considering the teaser from just last week but I think it's due to them having this huge event at Comic-con
>Finrod, Finrod Felagund
Admit it, you're hyped to see the King of Nargothrond in action
No LOTR fans are going to watch this shit. It's outright vandalism.
I'm a Finrodgay of the highest order, and I'm still not watching this shit.
Having a jannie here trying to police shit on behalf of Amazon is not going to save your show.
We're fricking Reddit now.
If you want to um actually me on the date Numenor started turning racist or hit me with but muh faithful I'm perfectly aware.
im calling it that he brought her mother from middle earth
probably a noble of some lesser men that lived there or a descendant of numenorians who mingled with lesser men in the colonies
I think Black Numenoreans are pretty cool
I just want new lego lord of the rings sets