Honestly I think the LD characters were definitely cast in part based on whether they could potentially play their characters in live action as well.
As someone actually watching the season now, this was a very minor aspect on the episode, which was entirely about the lower decks trying to impress another crew. Her bisexuality was not the main plot of that episode.
That's how this shit always goes. It's very rarely a focus of an episode or show but people lose their goddamn minds about it existing at all
It's Star Trek 4chantard, if gay people trigger you spare yourself and us and just stop watching. There's multiple season of Yellowstone for you at this point, enjoy.
And that's a good thing because lgbt is here to replace you
It's Star Trek 4chantard, if gay people trigger you spare yourself and us and just stop watching. There's multiple season of Yellowstone for you at this point, enjoy.
Most of the canceled shows were heteroshit though. Proof the people are tired of it
>fake outrage
Real subtle incel-kun
YWNBAW
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ywabav
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A virgin can just hire a hooker.
A chud will always be a chud.
The odds are not in your favor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>paying for sex when it's free
I can see why you're still a virgin. You put on the pussy behind a paywall
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
your birth name will be on your gravestone
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You won't have a grave stone
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can’t comprehend how someone can be this obsessed with other people’s gender and they think this is a good comeback
I am the person you're responding to. I dont care about the gay agenda. Or your/any agenda. I said in another post I actually have no interest in relationship stuff at all. In fact I skip stuff like sex scenes in media but I understand I'm not who it's there for.
It also doesn't detract from my enjoyment because it's literally not the focus. It's just there and I dont really think about it at all unless it's directly plot related so it baffles me that it existing period is so triggering to you guys. It's literally nothing and you could easily ignore it as I do or just watch something that aligns with your interests and sensibilities more. That seems logical to me. You're acting like a baby and making it seem deeper than it really is.
It’s not helped by the fact that the lesbian couple was viewed as an intentional contradiction of a very prominent ship in the fandom. The show was viewed as rather fan-friendly up until that point so no wonder people felt betrayed.
Nothing good came out of this.
Mariner and Boimler are more interesting as friends, Chadward Boimler stepping over women left and right like the Jimmy Olsen of space is a great joke, and I don't give a fuck about shipping in Lower Decks because it's a sitcom.
Plus they can still have a Chakotay/ Seven asspull kiss in the finale.
Putting Mariner and Boimler is the only way LOW could possibly redeem itself. It’d require a Picard S3 style course correction.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A Picard-style course correction would require the change of showrunner, change of all the writers, and a change of producers.
It’s never going to happen, McMahan has too much influence.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No one would miss McMahon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He’s got dirt on some at Paramount so he’s not going anywhere until they’re forced to fire him.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s unfortunate that McMahan’s greasy unwashed Cheeto fingers are all over the SNW crossover too.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are you so invested in the one pairing? Grow up.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
1. They’re cute.
2. It would be an ideological statement.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It would be an ideological statement. >a show must cater to my identity politics to be good
You sound like an asshole.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You win some today, you lose some tomorrow. It’s only fair.
LGBT people need to brought down a peg.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A Picard-style course correction would require the change of showrunner, change of all the writers, and a change of producers.
It’s never going to happen, McMahan has too much influence.
It doesn't need a course correction, it's a good show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You claimed that Picard S1 and S2 were good earlier ITT, so your opinion doesn’t count. An aggressive course correction (ie making something for the fans) would be good for LOW.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not that anon (which is the point) so how come you know who it is.
That's a problem in this thread, it's hard not to strawman each other.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Whether you think it’s a good show or not, getting rid of Roiland’s creepy colleague would be a net gain for the show. For one, he’d stop harassing the lead actress.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Picard S3 style course correction
If only
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mariner and Boimler
Literally the most incel thing imaginable. >he's smart, so all pussy must fall in his wake!
That's the best part about her though. She triggers chuds. They've been complaining about woke for decades now and more and more shows keep supporting it because they're on the right side of history.
I assume they're betting on the audience forgetting about the woke shit.
Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Where’s that blue dyke, McMahan!? You told me that’s what everyone wanted to see instead of that boring het shit.
>some of the most obnoxious gay shit in recent memory
literally two (2) episodes out of ten (10) in S3 featured Jennifer, in one of them she was an illusion for 10s, and in both cases it was just one of the subplots.
>most obnoxious gay shit >lasted less than 15 minutes
You're more sensitive than the gays
Anon, I'm not some conservative nutcase. I'm fine with gay shit as long as it's in service of the story, and it's properly fleshed out, like in The Owl House.
The bullshit in Lower Decks involved the main character randomly falling in lesbians with some literal who and then the show expecting you to care when they break up. The fact it was just shallow pandering that stuck around for an entire season like a sorry reminder that the show is now "that kind of show" what made it obnoxious.
>I'm not some conservative nutcase.
No, you're just a whining bitch
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>whining
Maybe if the show didn't stoop so low, there'd be no whining?
You're blaming people for being mad instead of blaming the writers for writing shit that made them mad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>blaming people
They'll keep blaming the fans and expect their quarterly returns to be good lololololol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They'll do just about anything instead of making a good show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
TBF part of Paramount's problem is they have a streaming service that outside of Star Trek has a weak selection of the large catalog of actually good stuff they have access to and fewer original shows than other services to justify paying for their streaming service continually. They think they can just lean on Star Trek
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Writers didn't derail every discussion of this show. That's on you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's your problem. You'll keep blaming everyone for your problems instead of people responsible.
>the show expecting you to care when they break up
the scene here
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you're late to the game
conveys the exact opposite. the only episode that showcased the Mariner x Jennifer relationship had them bickering non-stop. if anything, you were supposed to NOT care about the couple and their break-up because it was staged as a whim for Mariner to realise that she likes Boimler more.
>randomly
She quite literally spells out in the first episode she's pansexual who will and has slept with pretty much any gender or species. Its was mostly out of rebellious spite for her parents, but still.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It happened randomly, her sexuality had nothing to do with it. It would have been just as random and shit if it was straight. But it wouldn’t have happened if it were straight because it was only about rainbow marketing and pulling a Korrasami.
Stop defending this crap just because it’s gay. The gayness makes it more obnoxious but it’s hardly the root problem. The problem is the writer making random Barbie dolls cramming their faces together because he’s a gigantic hack who wanted cheap publicity.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They never would've done it if it weren't for "fans" pointing it out. Blame people like Wil Wheaton and Jesse Gender.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It would have been just as random and shit if it was straight. But there wouldn't be threads about it because it wouldn't be culture war then.
>does this man put gay stuff in all of his works?
He wrote the Rick and Morty episode where Jerry cheats on Beth with a man. >Solar Opposites
Haven't watched it. >Is McMahan gay himself?
No. >Or is he just really trying to appease the LGBT crowd?
Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room. So it's two-faced pandering motivated solely by the desire to get some publicity and make a name for himself as the "inclusive" writer. An average anon here is probably less homophobic than him, the difference is that he’s good at keeping up appearances.
>He wrote the Rick and Morty episode where Jerry cheats on Beth with a man.
Gonna need you to be more specific there
Are you talking about Sleepy Gary or...?
>Haven't watched it.
The 2 main characters (pic related) are both guys in a relationship but they also cheat on each other quite frequently (or is it an open relationship? Like hell if I know) but they're also aliens so maybe their idea of marriage is different from the norm.
>Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room. So it's two-faced pandering motivated solely by the desire to get some publicity and make a name for himself as the "inclusive" writer. An average anon here is probably less homophobic than him, the difference is that he’s good at keeping up appearances.
So he's not much different from Justin then? Interesting
>Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room
>does this man put gay stuff in all of his works?
He wrote the Rick and Morty episode where Jerry cheats on Beth with a man. >Solar Opposites
Haven't watched it. >Is McMahan gay himself?
No. >Or is he just really trying to appease the LGBT crowd?
Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room. So it's two-faced pandering motivated solely by the desire to get some publicity and make a name for himself as the "inclusive" writer. An average anon here is probably less homophobic than him, the difference is that he’s good at keeping up appearances.
Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Where’s that blue dyke, McMahan!? You told me that’s what everyone wanted to see instead of that boring het shit.
>Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Only because Jack Quaid is a Hollywood superstar. Rest assured, Mike McMahan will continue the woke subversive bullshit in his cartoon realm.
Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Where’s that blue dyke, McMahan!? You told me that’s what everyone wanted to see instead of that boring het shit.
This thread feels fake af
I can’t tell if /toon/ is just naturally full of trannies, or there’s some leftypol Discord raid, or they’re actual shills. There’s no way someone would dedicate so much time to defending gay shit in media and spam reports to get rid of the most inconvenient posts.
This. Most people here dropped the show at the first sign of it going bad.
The fifty fans who remain are actively into woke shit that’s why they’re comparing their bottom of the barrel lesbian shit to the groundbreaking and genredefining social progressivism of TOS. I don’t know what they’re doing on Cinemaphile but it is what it is.
Dedicating so much time on a show you hate is equally pathetic
It won’t happen overnight, but all those lay-offs and cancellations and financial losses signal that the woke fad is over. What is happening in Florida is just the start.
Well, Lower Decks decided to do lesbian shit at the exact moment the lesbian fatigue kicked in. Those are the results.
Then again, the show is a collection of rehashed adult animation tropes, and it feels like a show from mid 2010s, so lesbianism was obviously going to happen.
>hetero fatigue
You’re an interesting mix of mental illness and entitlement.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>our shoehorned boring badly written romance subplots are... LE GOOD!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why is Schmigadoon there?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>women and men getting together and fulfilling their biological roles? >IM GOING INSANEEEEE
Tolerance was never enough for you; you want gayness to be the new normal, and the only way to achieve that is to dismantle the traditional male/female order.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This but unironically. Showing straight people in love is good and healthy, showing gay shit is bad. Keep seething.
If you want to be a pedantic ass, live action belongs on >>>/misc/. But Paramount would have a harder time shilling there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The topic was "lower decks in real life", not lesbian shit. So why didn't you lead with "Wrong board"? Why were you so desperate to make the conversation about lesbian shit and not lower decks in real life?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lesbian shit is part of Lower Decks and forever will be. What are you lashing out at me for??
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What does that have to do with Lower Decks in real life? Why are you forcing this lesbian conversation? Why don't you focus on other things?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’ll do you one better: why is Hollywood forcing lesbian shit in all cartoons nowadays???
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why are you forcing this lesbian conversation?
You should probably ask Lower Decks writers this exact question lmaooo
Dude, this is fucking Star Trek. ToS had american television's first onscreen inter-racial kiss. Decades later, DS9 had the first same sex kiss.
Star Trek has *always* been very socially progressive. Of all of the franchises to bitch about including LGBT stuff, trying to claim that Star Trek has been invaded by wokeness is a fucking farce. The Federation has always been liberal gay space future.
You're just angry and lashing out, a dog trained to bark in anger the moment you see a rainbow. There is literally nothing objectionable that has been done with Mariner and Jennifer's relationship, and I defy you to cite otherwise.
>ToS had american television's first onscreen inter-racial kiss.
It wasn't voluntary in-show, they were forced to kiss for the villains' amusement through telekinesis. That's a far cry from all the gay shit we see nowadays.
>The Federation has always been liberal gay space future.
Post Scarcity-Socialist gay space future. The economics of Star Trek are such that Ferengi are considered weird for being capitalists still.
What a shocker. Fake fans looking for shit to complain about.
wait a minute dont this live action show in particular is suppose to be like a prequel while lower decks take place after new generation?
I think they're not supposed to be the same characters but are just the VAs doing a cameo
Are you both retarded? This is Star Trek. Just about every iteration has involved time travel at some point. And yes they are literally the same characters which we have known since it was announced. IIRC the episode is even supposed to have animated bookends in LDs style.
I dont really care about that. But when I say I dont care like I actually dont care about it. I have no interest in relationship stuff at all for that matter as someone who has never been dated, rejected literally thousands of times, and has entirely walked away from that aspect of life. But it hasn't really detracted from my enjoyment of these shows at all. It's just there. Nothing about this seems worth complaining about or even really acknowledging. It's not that aggressively focused on in the show. especially not as much as it by you guys lmao
I'm not sitting here complaining that my sci-fi space travel show has relationshiphavers and sexhavers in it. I dont even think about it at all except when directly relevant to the plot.
I actually used to lift for years. I also played soccer and took ballet when I was younger. And I walk 45 mins each way to and from work.
I definitely do not need to lose weight and have never been overweight.
But I do have autism and schizophrenia and I'm told that is related to my difficulty. Anyway that's off topic. I was just illustrating my indifference toward any kind of relationship stuff in the show not just gay stuff.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why can’t you be normal? Why does everything written by millennials has to “own” someone or be rage bait?
Thought she pansexual
>>>/misc/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lower Decks is Co, Deal with it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This ain't Lower Decks
It's Strange New Worlds
Get your eyes checked
>pansexual
Just like Korra. Still is considered a dyke because that’s what they put the most emphasis on
bump
Yo all I said is I dont care and try to just pay attention to aspects of the show I am interested in of which there are still plenty.
And if it was then it failed since the only people I've seen talking about it are the retards in this thread
She was straight for 99% of the show though. You're the one obsessing about her figuring out guys are worthless and saying that was the focus
>>>/misc/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The characters are frtom Lower Decks and the people in this thread are primarily discussing something happened on LD.
How about you fucking have a nice day instead gay i wishi could fucking shoot you in your fucking face holy shit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a live action adaptation of a cartoon. DCEU and Mceu still get talked about here. There's even 5 lil mermaid threads up right now posted by racist trying to pretend the movie is a flop
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>racist
How is pointing out racialbait outrage casting racist?
>Star Trek has *always* been very socially progressive.
TOS used to make thought provoking commentary of subjects like racism as a seamless part of the plot. Now you got Rafe giving Picard shit about his privilege in post-scarcity society, limitless energy, and a replicator on every corner by a dead-beat mom hooked on space-crack.
>Star Trek has *always* been very socially progressive.
TOS used to make thought provoking commentary of subjects like racism as a seamless part of the plot. Now you got Rafe giving Picard shit about his privilege in post-scarcity society, limitless energy, and a replicator on every corner by a dead-beat mom hooked on space-crack.
Fuck off.
>Now you got Rafe giving Picard shit about his privilege in post-scarcity society
Actually, you don't.This isn't what happens in this scene and you are just parroting complain of people who don't actually care about the show.
The whole point of Star Trek straight from Rodenberry was to be a vehicle for globohomo prpoganda. It was even originally going to be exclusively acted, recorded, and broadcast in esperanto, the failed globohomo language
I know you're not necessarily a fascist/nationalist but isn't it interesting some people find "weakness" to be disgusting that's such a foreign concept to me in this specific case because I do get disgusted thinking on people like Jeff Bezos and in your particular case I'm sure you find "globohomo" disgusting
>aside from the fact that it shouldn't even exist.
yeah pretty pointless to have them date for a few episodes in a season and the dump Jennifer in the last episode. kinda like saying "here's your gay romance, OH NO JENNIFER WAS IS BAD GF she deserves to get dumped, right?"
and it worked there was no public outcry for the dump of the gay couple and Paramount got away with it
>there was no public outcry
probably because there aren't that many alphabet people and everyone else was just rooting for this garbage excuse for a romance to go away.
and despite the fact that queers are an irrelevant portion of the audience they still decided to pander to them for whatever fucking reason and alienated literally everyone else
I'm the first person to call out people being crybabies about dumb shit, but making fun of someone being upset at a shitty reboot feels weird when the first notable thing she did was be on the news to talk about someone running some kind of hack on her in GTA Online.
The most dedicated hardcore fanbase that kept Star Trek alive back in the late 60s and through the 70s were gay-shipping fujos. You literally are posting in a thread for a franchise that appeals to gays and women.
>The most dedicated hardcore fanbase that kept Star Trek alive back in the late 60s and through the 70s were gay-shipping fujos.
No, they were merely the most annoying but statistically amounted to a rounding error. They did not meaningfully sustain the fandom and in some cases brought the wrath of Roddenberry down on them (realistic fanart of Kirk and Spock fucking in costume and ears had to give way to what amounted to Shatner and Nimoy in regular hair and mundane getups).
You weren't there, don't make up shit.
>the straights also had an agenda these past 50 years
Has it occurred to you that maybe... heterosexuality is the norm and 99% of people are heterosexual? And despite that, most girls in cartoons are now lesbians (or some other flavor of queer) now.
Or maybe people are just tired of every cartoon shoving gay shit down their throats? And it's always the same kind of gay shit. They never do gays, it's always lesbians.
It's funny that it's always the sexually charged language of shoving things down your throat. Kinda makes it sound like a wishlist rather than a complaint.
worse than that, it's always some DRAMA
but it's not drama bout being a homo, noooo that is always instantly accepted, even on not-star-trek shows where it makes no sense.
no the drama is about I DONT KNOW IF I WANNA BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WAAAA I CAN'T HANDLE COMMITMENT
every fucking show. it's almost like putting two emotionally unstable people into a couple doesn't work.
more like cant handle the logic. The sheer number of non-same sex relationships in media easily eclipses same-sex ones even with the recent uptick . Plus most here probably hevent even watched those shows and were never going to regardless of gay stuff so whats the point?
>The sheer number of non-same sex relationships in media easily eclipses same-sex ones even with the recent uptick
This isn't even close to being true.
Idiot. Anything with a straight character in it it going to shoehorn in a romance subplot, doesn't matter if it's comedy, action, horror. 99% of characters are straight, 90% of those characters are regularly in relationships. 99% of parents in media are straight.
>99% of characters are straight, 90% of those characters are regularly in relationships. 99% of parents in media are straight.
99% of all humans on earth are straight.
Okay, maybe 98.6% of all humans...I just rounded up.
By the way...according to recent stats, queers are over-represented in Hollyweird.
The number of queer characters on TV & movies is over six times greater than the number of queers in real life.
And yet it's still not enough for the likes of you, is it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only thing weirder than getting assmad over this kind of thing is having all those statistics.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Provide evidence.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Trust me, bro. Why would I lie about an agenda I'm trying to push?
>best DS9 episode since the 90s
Dedicating half of the runtime to a lame lesbian book club sideplot will surely guarantee that it goes down as a classic and totally won't age horribly when the woke fad fades away.
As someone actually watching the season now, this was a very minor aspect on the episode, which was entirely about the lower decks trying to impress another crew. Her bisexuality was not the main plot of that episode.
It was, I think, a big part of that episode, but not in the way being complained about, specifically the difference between Babe Jennifer and Werewolf Jennifer showing Mariner's insecurities about relationships and Boimler, correctly, suggesting she go back into therapy. Still just a part of the episode. Outpost scientists being assholes has become a recurring theme, but Tendi's science officer training complete with her telling the captain to shut up. With Boimler doing the same in the finale some of this season is arguably the Lower Decks learning to stand up for themselves. They're growing. It will be interesting to see if Mariner actually sticks to the lesson she learned or if she backslides into chaos and self-sabotage again. Another good line from this episode was Boimler telling Mariner it's good to see her with a girlfriend instead of her usual destroying everything she touches.
NtA but even Tawny Newsome, Mariner's VA, hated that they forced her character into a lesbo book club story when everyone got to have fun with DS9 stuff. If McMahon had kept them together like the original plan then Newsome would be a whiny moron too.
Pretty sure Newsome didn't care about the gay, it was the lame b story while everyone else got to have a DS9 adventure since DS9 is her favorite Trek and even part of Mariner's backstory. She had to fight just to get the final scene where Mariner was at Quarks.
Pretty sure Newsome didn't care about the gay, it was the lame b story while everyone else got to have a DS9 adventure since DS9 is her favorite Trek and even part of Mariner's backstory. She had to fight just to get the final scene where Mariner was at Quarks.
I think it helps to remember that Mariner self-identifies as a free-spirit Kirk-style badass she, as with everything else in her life, overcompensates so romance wise she's gone to plaid past Kirk and into Captain Jack Harkness territory. With her penchant for bad boys, bad girls, bad binars, bad non-binary babes I'm surprised she's never dated any megalomaniac computers, though wouldn't be surprised if she actually had.
It's kind of weird that Quark still doesn't know it was Kira who put his head on her body. Maybe he thinks it was Odo? The constable does have a sense of humor, like the time he and Quark convinced O'Brien and Bashir that they weren't back to their original size after the shrinking Runabout incident.
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Star Trek fans now are the type of people who complained about the interrecial kiss back in the original series.
I can't believe this sort of blatant disingenuous nonsense is still being parroted. There's leagues of difference between the true multiculturalism featured in TOS to ENT and the blatant virtue signaling that we get now.
People who think Paramount doesn’t shill their crap on Cinemaphile are delusional and should have witnessed the aggressive Dungeons and Dragons campaign when the film flopped.
The shills aren’t allowed to criticize the show’s LGBT aspects, which is why they all come off so phony. Look at the lengths some posters ITT go through to defend Star Trek’s worst romance just because it’s gay instead of just admitting it was shit and made the show worse which would help them blend in.
Anon there's absolutely no way a regular person would want to see girls kissing girls, such thing can be only the result of corporate spies infiltrating Cinemaphile.
You’ve got a point: we should just replace all relationships in media with lesbians. Who cares about good writing, make my dick hard with CalArts stick figures kissing.
This feels pretty disingenuous given there were so many gaping, festering wound problems with the Willow series and two chicks kissing wasn't really it. This is a high fantasy world they tacked modern (mostly cover) music to. This is also a series where Willow pulls a flamethrower out of his butt and when another character demands to know what it is he actually says, "Don't worry about it," it never shows up again and if it had shown up earlier he might have saved his friend from being killed.
It was a goddamn train wreck and I'm so glad it was cancelled, even if the guy behind it claims it's just on hiatus. Fuck that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s the same principle of a show opting to do lazy LGBT pandering for publicity’s sakes. In Willow’s credit, it at least attempts to flesh out the relationship instead of just having it be there and demanding to be praised for it. Lower Decks reached a whole new level of laziness with its rainbow pandering.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mariner being omnisexual is established very early on. I'm not sure why people freaked out about it. It's like you were told for years that wood is flammable then when you see your first forest fire you start flipping your shit out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Lower Decks reached a whole new level of laziness with its rainbow pandering.
It was a short sex-gag in one episode, and a small part of a b-plot in another. It wasn't pandering. Of all the faults with modern Trek Mariner's lesbian shit is real low on the list.
>Reddit is literally saying that Star Trek is in another Golden Age
Even as someone who hates 4chan, I really fucking doubt that when SNW is basically the only really good show they're putting out right now. Not to mention the movies being non-existent.
Doesn't the main sub ban everyone who speaks out against STD? Didn't they also get chud Reddit mods to delete the "hateful" second Trek sub where people who got banned were allowed to complain about modern Trek? I guess that's what fags get for using Reddit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>chud
Fuck off back to 4chan
Lower Decks is pretty fun and Picard season 3 is allegedly good, but yeah, this is no TNG/DS9/VOY.
This is how I feel about it. SNW is mostly good, LD is hit or miss, and Prodigy and PIC S3 are both supposedly good. But I mean, when's the last time we even had a really new idea in Star Trek anyway?
>People who think Paramount doesn’t shill their crap on Cinemaphile are delusional and should have witnessed the aggressive Dungeons and Dragons campaign when the film flopped.
Or maybe they just wanted the D&D movie to be successful so that there would be more D&D content, but that would be cuhrayzee.
Most American LGBT content just doesn't jive with me. I'm a fag who'll cry his eyes out over BL manga, but I just have no desire to see spunky lesbians or bearded brown men.
In terms of representation, there really isn't. TOS and TNG were the "woke" shows at the time, you're only upset about the new ones because you are living on this moment in time. If you were the same age back in the day you'd also be seething about these shows you love. Embrace it, you've become the enemy.
There is literally no difference between the two other than you’re watching the new stuff today and getting triggered by the latter because of your brain worms. This “old good, new bad!” mental gymnastics song and dance is so fucking tiresome.
I love postmodern moral relativism. 10 years from now it’ll be “Making Mariner a lesbian is just the same as having Zardoz admitting he’s attracted to children you conservative bigot!”
Anon there's absolutely no way a regular person would want to see girls kissing girls, such thing can be only the result of corporate spies infiltrating Cinemaphile.
/toon/ is tired of the lesbian agenda. Try harder.
People calling out lazy agenda-driven writing is not trolling. Imagine being so fragile because people won’t let you circlejerk about masturbating to cartoon girls kissing.
Looks like the mods don’t disagree after all. Some janny, likely noncisgender, abused his authority to delete inconvenient posts and since no one got banned they’ll likely get fucked for abuse of power when this comes out.
>Reddit is literally saying that Star Trek is in another Golden Age
Even as someone who hates 4chan, I really fucking doubt that when SNW is basically the only really good show they're putting out right now. Not to mention the movies being non-existent.
>Picard season 3 is allegedly good
No, no it was not. Shit on the Changelings (you can stab them to death now), shits on the Borg, shits on the characters you love, throws out nostalgia chum while killing several old characters once they'd achieved nostalgia, and the plot generally makes no real sense. The best you can say is that it's better than the first two seasons. That's such a low bar not even Odo can squeeze under it.
Transfacists try to spin that the messages of old trek are the same as the shot we get now.
Some old trek definitely try to get you to think about things in certain ways, but for the most part it was for the audience to think for themselves.
Nowadays, these writers don’t even hide that they want you to think like them or you’re deemed to be literally hitler.
And as someone stated, multiculturalism and accepting others despite disagreements or differences of the past is different than the current special treatment special people need.
They're the only good looking part of the entire trailer
I liked season 1 well enough, but this looks like it's taking all the shit I hated from it and running with it and leaving all the actually decent stuff behind.
Dude, you do not want Tendi anywhere near Pike. He gets near that sweet little green icing cinnamon roll and next thing you know he nabs her for his secret farm where he breeds Orion green animal women. I mean what do you think happened to Doctor Boyce? HE KNEW TOO MUCH.
This thread feels fake af
I can’t tell if /toon/ is just naturally full of trannies, or there’s some leftypol Discord raid, or they’re actual shills. There’s no way someone would dedicate so much time to defending gay shit in media and spam reports to get rid of the most inconvenient posts.
This. Most people here dropped the show at the first sign of it going bad.
The fifty fans who remain are actively into woke shit that’s why they’re comparing their bottom of the barrel lesbian shit to the groundbreaking and genredefining social progressivism of TOS. I don’t know what they’re doing on Cinemaphile but it is what it is.
Looking at the IP count, I suspect it's mostly one, very active leftypol shitposter who has a burning drive to bathe in chudly tears so much that he's precumming in his panties at the though.
There's probably one dude here out trawling for shit to make a youtube YELLING ABOUT POLITICS video of some type as well.
Don't sweat it. Just don't let lunatics of any political stripe let you think they hold anything beyond their own emotional baggage.
I'm actually coming out of a big lurk because I hate how we're always repeat the same talking. ok so plenty of people here really like this show (and also hate it) both sides talk at nauseum fighting each other and that's why the up count can be low.
Yet even without infighting like in this thread they move and are healthy.
There's a catalog for you to see.
I predict that by the time you finish reading you'll be thinking well it's still a failing product because it's woke full of gay shit and my god are you annoying to me because you think like that.
A concession I'm giving you is that an sizable and loud part of Americans feel like that but that doesn't mean there's people who like the show and who are not some stereotype like shill or other npc your brain puts on in.
>trying to derail discussion of a show with lesbian shit because it had it for a second
People that troll dyke-ra and owlfags thread don't try this hard
>had it for a second
Enough to poison the entire show and all discourse surrounding it. This always happens when a nerd thing gets turned into a wokefest by activists.
Get used to it.
>girl is suddenly gay for a background extra because background extra saved her life
This would be considered cliché and forced in 2011, but LD got away with it in 2021 because it made it gay™.
no no there’s no power imbalance because lesbian couples are always healthier than straight couples
oh wait..
>Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners. https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
>girl is suddenly gay for a background extra because background extra saved her life
This would be considered cliché and forced in 2011, but LD got away with it in 2021 because it made it gay™.
Except there was nothing forced about it. It's just a main character dating a secondary character and it's no more forced than how it was done when it happened in Friends.
Seeing you have failed to point out any actual bad writing, your complain is invalid. there was nothing wrong with Mariner dating Jen.
The argument is that you can get away with bad writing as long as it’s gay. If that’s bigoted to you, grow some balls.
But for that, there has to be actual bad writing in the first place. You have failed to establish so, therefore, you have no valid reason to complain.
>No, it's not.
Of course it is. Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships, it’s an incel mindset to think so. But it’s suddenly okay if it’s two girls. >MCU Spider-man has saved Michelle Jones several times already.
MJ fell for Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
>Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships
Doesn't mean it's forbidden either. You fail to make a point.
>MJ fell for Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
And? She already knew he was spider-man.
You have failed to establish any bad writing, you have no valid reason to hare Lower Deck.
2 weeks ago
sage
>Doesn't mean it's forbidden either.
It’s toxic as it introduces a power imbalance into the relationship. It suggests that one party owes the other their life, ergo they should reward them with a relationship. It’s a toxic trope for a reason and the show would get cancelled if it portrayed a strong female character falling for a random male extra because he saved her life.
But it’s okay when girls do it!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>sage go in all fields
>as it introduces a power imbalance into the relationship.
Nope. >It suggests that one party owes the other their life
No, it doesn't.
you have failed to make a point, you have no valid reason to complain about Lower Decks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nope >No >It doesn’t
Amazing arguments.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't need to provide arguments when yours are "because I say so".
At no point is there any indication it's an obligation that they date, therefore, you have failed to make any actual complain and thus have no valid reason to hate Lower Deck.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am telling you that it wouldn’t fly if a strong female character randomly fell for random male character because he saved her life.
You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It’s a toxic trope for a reason
It never was toxic. There are zero indication she dated her because she felt obliged to do so.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>zero indication
It’s a catalyst for the relationship, so this goes beyond indication or implication, fren.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It’s a catalyst for the relationship
Thank you for recognising she never acted under any obligation. Also
I am telling you that it wouldn’t fly if a strong female character randomly fell for random male character because he saved her life.
You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.
>I am telling you that it wouldn’t fly if a strong female character randomly fell for random male character because he saved her life.
1) it's not the reason Mariner fall in love with Jen, she already had feeling beforehand
2) Stating speculations as fact will never make you win an argument. See
>Of course it is. Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships, it’s an incel mindset to think so. But it’s suddenly okay if it’s two girls.
You have failed to make an actual critic, you have thus no valid reason to hate Lower Decks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>she already had feeling beforehand
That’s speculation. No evidence in the show. Unless you’re going to argue that assaulting and insulting someone is a romantic gesture which it’s objectively not.
Again, falling for a savior is a toxic trope and it wouldn’t fly if they weren’t women. It’s a recognized toxic trope which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
Try harder, LGBT apologist. I’m sure you’ll get there eventually.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That’s speculation.
Mariner outright said so.
You still have failed to establish she dated her because she felt forced to do it.
>Again, falling for a savior is a toxic trope
there is no bad tropes, only bad executions. You fail to make a point.
>It’s a recognized toxic trope
Source: your ass.
>which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
see
>Of course it is. Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships, it’s an incel mindset to think so. But it’s suddenly okay if it’s two girls.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mariner outright said so
Quotation required. >there is no bad tropes, only bad executions. You fail to make a point
It’s a bad execution then and most people agree on this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You bring up a good point.
It’s made even more toxic by the fact that they had a rivalry. It suggests that a strong female character falls for a bad person just because that bad person saved her life. Femcel fantasy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just because
Seeing it's not Just because, you fail to make any valid point and this have failed to explain why this episode was bad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It’s a recognized toxic trope which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
So you have short-term memory problem. MCU Spider-Man save MJ several times.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Spider-Man saving her wasn’t the catalyst for them dating. MJ liked Peter, not Spider-Man. He saved her as Spider-Man but it didn’t make her like him more because she didn’t know it was Peter.
Being a secret hero doesn’t help Peter Parker score chicks. That’s the whole deal with the secret identity and having to reconcile those two worlds, you do understand that right?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>MJ liked Peter, not Spider-Man. >Being a secret hero doesn’t help Peter Parker score chicks.
She already knew he was Spider-Man. And Mariner already had feeling for Jen beforehand. You fail to make a point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And Mariner already had feeling for Jen beforehand
You’ll have to provide examples to support your argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mariner outright said so
Quotation required. >there is no bad tropes, only bad executions. You fail to make a point
It’s a bad execution then and most people agree on this.
>Quotation required.
>It’s a bad execution then
You have failed to establish that.
This but unironically. Showing straight people in love is good and healthy, showing gay shit is bad. Keep seething.
Based.
>Based.
Not really, it doesn't establish gay relationships are bad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is that your video? What am I supposed to do with it? I asked you to provide examples.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Is that your video?
It's a video. >>What am I supposed to do with it?
Recognise Mariner say she already had developed attachment to Jennifer before Jen saved her. >I asked you to provide examples.
You are welcome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Recognise Mariner say she already had developed attachment to Jennifer before Jen saved her.
Citation needed. Provide a quote or a scene that proves this, it should be simple to do considering just how convinced you are in your own argument. Otherwise it looks like you’re just imagining things.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Citation needed
you have failed to make a valid critic against Lower Decks thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, you just linked the video again. I asked you to provide a citation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anon, you just linked the video again
You are welcome. Aren't you glad I provided exactly what you asked for?
you have failed to make a valid critic against Lower Decks thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I asked you to provide the exact quote or scene that proves your argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are welcome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, you’re going in circles. You claim that a character had an attachment for the other character prior to the life saving thing. Provide a quote that proves this. It should be simple. I fail to see how your video is relevant.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Provide a quote that proves this
You are welcome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, you just linked the video again. It’s three minutes long. I asked you for the exact quote.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>has been arguing about a rescue scene for several hours and doesn't look like stopping >can't watch a three and half long minutes video
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why can’t you just a provide a quote to support your claims?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anon, you’re going in circles.
you are the one asking again and again something you have already been provided to you several time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I asked for a quote which would prove your argument. There’s lots of talking in that three minute video, you’ll have to be more specific.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I asked for a quote which would prove your argument.
And you have been provided an answer. Make you wonder why you keep complaining.
>There’s lots of talking in that three minute video, you’ll have to be more specific.
LoL
>has been arguing about a rescue scene for several hours and doesn't look like stopping >can't watch a three and half long minutes video
I see you continuing to keep asking the thing you have already been provided for more than 10 minute now, I'll consider that you have recognised the point.
Why can’t you just a provide a quote to support your claims?
Why ask a question only to refuse to see the answer?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Provide the quote. Goddamn it, anon. It shouldn’t be that hard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It shouldn’t be that hard.
And watching a 3 minute video is?
left
You have 7 minute remaining to address the video before you defacto admit defeat.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didn’t ask you for a video. I asked you for a quote, anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I didn’t ask you for a video.
You asked for a proof that Mariner had attachment for Jen before she rescued her. You have been provided.
5 minutes remaining.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Please specify the exact scene and quote in that video that proves your claim
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can argue for hours about a rescue scene, you can watch a 3:38 minutes long video.
3 minute remaining.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have no obligation to watch anything outside of this thread. I expect you to provide exact quotations and explain them in your own words.
Otherwise we’re just going in circles because you refuse to provide evidence.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not a matter of obligation, anon, YOU are the one who asked for proof. I have no obligation to watch.
You don't want to watch it, fine, but bu doing so you forfeit any legitimacy in denying Mariner had attachment for Jennifer prior her rescue.
Your time is out, by refusing to look a the proof, you can no longer be considered genuine when you deny this attachment prior to the rescue. Thank you very much.
You have failed to establish any valid criticism against this show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The burden of proof is on the person making a claim, anon. You’re either too lazy or you know that providing an exact quote would destroy your argument in an instant. Which is why you refuse to argue like a normal person. You know your position is weak and you’re trying to pressure me into playing by your rules and finding my own arguments in favor of the relationship having any setup, which is not my job here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The burden of proof is on the person making a claim, anon
And I have provided the proof:
You are welcome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Provide the timestamp then. Give me something to work with. Do you expect me to watch the scene of Mariner shoving people out of her way and treat that as romantic set up?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Provide the timestamp then.
you time is up. you can no longer deny in good faith the pre-existing attachment.
you have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don’t get to decide when my time is up, unless you’re out of time yourself. You’ve failed to construct a solid argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You don’t get to decide when my time is up,
But Everyone get to see you are acting in bad faith on this argument.
You have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
Mariner shows attraction for many people across the show. This scene makes a valid argument for Maribarnes, consider that Mariner called her hot back in the pilot. It’s not proof of her having any attachment to blue buttcheeks.
Thank you for recognising Mariner was attracted to Jennifer prior to her rescue.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Everyone get to see you are acting in bad faith on this argument
Everyone got to see you being a lazy ass coward who’s afraid to provide examples himself and instead resorts to posting YouTube links and won’t even elaborate on the contents. >Thank you for recognising Mariner was attracted to Jennifer prior to her rescue.
I didn’t say that.
>But what about attraction?
Too vague to make a solid case.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Too vague to make a solid case.
Really? What other reasonable interpretations could there be there though? Because that was the only simulated sex scene that Mariner didn't react negatively too.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What other reasonable interpretations could there be there though?
Naked women are nice to look at. She’s into Barnes. And so onz
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>She’s into Barnes.
Don't try to argue as a fact that she is only into barnes and not in Jen.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don’t have to, she literally says it in the first episode of the show. The only thing the scene illustrates that Mariner is into women.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>she literally says it in the first episode of the show.
And?
Still do'nt try to argue as a fact that her attraction is ONLY to Barnes and has nothing for Jennifer.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because if that was the case there would be some kind of evidence.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That you recognised yourself. Thank you.
And when you claim that she was ONLY attracted to Barnes, YOU are the one who have to prove there was no attraction at all for Jennifer.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>She’s into Barnes.
Don't try to argue as a fact that she is only into barnes and not in Jen.
Can I just say that my one criticism about Marijen is that we didn't get enough of it because what I wanted is for Mariner to run into the fact that Jennifer comes from a culture where polyamory is the norm and have an episode where drop hints about who she wouldn't mind taking in as a third with Barnes being one that dazes her the most.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Everyone got to see you being a lazy
I am not the one literally complaining for hour about a rescue scene yet refusing to watch a 3 minute long video.
>I didn’t say that.
You explicitly referenced the blue cheeks.
>Too vague to make a solid case.
A solid case of what?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I am not the one literally complaining for hour about a rescue scene yet refusing to watch a 3 minute long video.
Anon, what do you expect me to take away from this video? That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek? Because it’s definitely great for that. >You explicitly referenced the blue cheeks.
I said that the scene is not proof she has any kind of attachment to the blue dyke.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek?
How do you take that from this video? >I said that the scene is not proof
The mention of Blue Cheeks by Mariner is not in that scene.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek?
We have Picard falling in love and breaking up with a woman in a single episode after they have played flute and Piano together and that woman is never seen before and never seen again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Indeed. It’s a great and touching episode with a very believable relationship. Back from the days when writers cared about telling a story instead of just pushing gay shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
thank you fro recognising there was nothing wrong with how Jennifer and Mariner were written and ended up in a relationship.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You’re so desperate for a gotcha. It’s sad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am not the one trying to argue to argue a relationship was badly written while providing zero evidence of it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The characters have nothing in common. They don’t talk even while they’re supposedly in relationship. We never find what they see in each other. We’re just told they like each other for some reason.
If this is good writing to you, you’re a shill.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The characters have nothing in common.
Subjective opinion >They don’t talk even while they’re supposedly in relationship.
It's a main character dating a secondary character, many sitcom have similar dynamic, you fail to make a point. This isn't bad writing, this is pretty standard.
The writers never claimed it was a big and important relationship and it's only on you to believe it is so.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>We never find what they see in each other.
Well that's not entirely true as there is an episode from season 3 that shows that Jennifer like Mariner's wild card nature...but we later learn on there's a limit to what Jen will tolerate and how actually that quality about Jennifer ironically clashes entirely with marinee's character arc of season 3 of learning to curb her hotshot maverick ways
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But while I can admit the exection of this idea was clunky and ultimately something the show decided to call quits on but instead of wishing it never happen I'm wishing they give Jennifer and Mariner another chance. Was Jen too harsh on Mariner? Yes. But Mariner is exactly the kind of person who would put her feet in her mouth and just keep talking, it's something even her mother easily believed. And while Jennifer may not have that kind of benefit of the doubt with Mariner like her mom does I still feel like we were left out of a cute couple with Jennifer and Mariner.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>girls hate each other >girl saves the other girl >girls suddenly want to fuck
If you ignore everything that was wrong with it, then sure nothing was wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is there something wrong with it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
suddenly want to fuck >suddenly
you have already established yourself that there was attraction beforehand, anon. you fail to make a point.
You have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you have already recognised that Mariner had prior attachment to Jennifer, you fail to make a point.
>you have already established yourself that there was attraction beforehand
No, I haven’t. It’s just you being separate again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, I haven’t
you were given ample time to watch this video and didn't. your bad faith on this argument has been established.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, call me bad faith if it makes you feel any better about your inadequate reasoning skills.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you have already recognised that Mariner had prior attachment to Jennifer, you fail to make a point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What do you mean by attachment? They weren’t even friends prior to the S2 finale. I don’t think they ever were friends.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What do you mean by attachment?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How many times are you gonna post that video? I asked you a question. I want you to answer in your own words.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>How many times are you gonna post that video?
Every time you ask that question, seeing it provide the answer for it. >I want you to answer in your own words.
You do'nt get to make the rules, anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>seeing it provide the answer for it
Okay, what’s the answer? Describe it. >You do'nt get to make the rules, anon.
I’m not making any rules. You want to argue with me, argue with me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Okay, what’s the answer?
>You want to argue with me, argue with me.
you are the one who asked for proof, anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, there’s nothing in the video that indicates emotional attachment so I don’t know why you keep posting. It just makes your argument look silly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anon, there’s nothing in the video that indicates emotional attachment
Ah, so arguing in bad faith, I see.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>who’s afraid to provide examples
You have been provided repeatedly. Now everyone can see you are lying.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You’re either too lazy
Say the guy who won't watch a 3 minute long video.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dude, it’s not my job to find proof for your own arguments.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Dude, it’s not my job to find proof
good thing you didn't need to find it and it was provided to you, then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA but putting a countdown on your ‘victory’ is pathetic tbh
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Please consider the context:
Anon's complain there
Anon, you just linked the video again. It’s three minutes long. I asked you for the exact quote.
is that it's a 3 minute long video. If he has the time to complain for 10 minutes about how he won't watch a 3 minute long video, he has the time to watch that 3 minute long video.
If he doesn't, it's reasonable to conclude he is not arguing in good faith.
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>another one for the list of shows that can never discussed on /toon/
Way to go, autists. How does it feel to be among the likes of Twelve Forever, WITCH and Kevin Spencer?
Having gay characters is not divisive. Nor is trans characters. Majority of the country is fine with gay people. You are just a triggered bigot obsessed fighting culture wars on the most stupid shit possible.
>he still doesn’t understand that this is not about gay people
>he
My pronouns are she/they.
I am the person you're responding to. I dont care about the gay agenda. Or your/any agenda. I said in another post I actually have no interest in relationship stuff at all. In fact I skip stuff like sex scenes in media but I understand I'm not who it's there for.
It also doesn't detract from my enjoyment because it's literally not the focus. It's just there and I dont really think about it at all unless it's directly plot related so it baffles me that it existing period is so triggering to you guys. It's literally nothing and you could easily ignore it as I do or just watch something that aligns with your interests and sensibilities more. That seems logical to me. You're acting like a baby and making it seem deeper than it really is.
Considering half of the DS9 episode was wasted on lesbian book club shit, yes, it’s intrusive and obnoxious.
They did this on purpose. It was a calculated publicity stunt
California thinks the world revolves around it. That’s why they keep putting black people in fantasy and medieval Europe settings.
The silent majority is not a thing, it's a Republican rhetoric that tries to placate bigots that everyone else thinks like them so voting to imposing 2nd class citizenship on black and gay people is morally ok.
Nah, people are just tired of you fags bending culture and society to your will. That failed Hogwarts Legacy boycott taught you nothing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Show me a person on the streets who actually agrees with you and I'll show you that it still doesn't matter because your solution to never show queer people in fiction is ridiculous and has no value in of itself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You’ll be in for a rude awakening next year.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh is that a threat or something? Like you're implying you know something that's gonna come down the bend that will make me regret not being a bigot?
You still having your day of rope fantasies anon?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you're totally gonna elect Clone Hitler next year and then you'll show us. God, you're pathetic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just like in 2020 there was meant to be a huge red wave due to all the anti-trans fearmongering the right was concentrating on and instead you got a tiny puddle at best?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Show me a person on the streets who actually agrees with you and I'll show you that it still doesn't matter because your solution to never show queer people in fiction is ridiculous and has no value in of itself.
Your supposition that any focus on gay people is bad writing has no rational argument for it, you can only vaguely imply that more bigots exist and therefore have an entitlement to never see gay people least they spend all their mental energy whining about it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
see
>girl is suddenly gay for a background extra because background extra saved her life
This would be considered cliché and forced in 2011, but LD got away with it in 2021 because it made it gay™.
>cliché and and forced
it would be considered ‘problematic’ if a strong woman fell for her male savior
Lesbian privilege strikes again
Yeah, it’s actually toxic as fuck because it introduces a power imbalance to the relationship, but it’s gay so it’s okay. Fuck this show lmao
no no there’s no power imbalance because lesbian couples are always healthier than straight couples
oh wait..
>Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners. https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can only vaguely imply that more bigots exist and therefore have an entitlement to never see gay people least they spend all their mental energy whining about it.
Like I said...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bad writing bad >bad writing but gay good
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can attack bad writing without being a bigot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The argument is that you can get away with bad writing as long as it’s gay. If that’s bigoted to you, grow some balls.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The argument is that you can get away with bad writing as long as it’s gay. If that’s bigoted to you, grow some balls.
>bad writing happens everywhere all the time >but when bad gay writing happens, I have to blogpost and spam every single thread about it because... BECAUSE I JUST DO, OKAY?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But Hogwarts Legacy has a trans character in it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It does so it makes you wonder why bother pandering to those people if they vilified the game anyway.
Tell me you’ve never travelled outside of California without telling me. Try visiting Asia, the Middle East or Africa dressed up as a women and see how that goes for you.
Or are they just backwards brown people and your western colonialist culture and values superior to theirs?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Tell me you’ve never travelled outside of California without telling me
I don't live in California but also what trying to say that I should respect you for being a more "civil" bigot is jist highly illogical as the statement is an implicit threat suggesting that you can essily become a violent bigot if you so choose.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The vast majority of heteronormative concepts in the global South were imported by Europeans.
Pre European contact, Africa had man-wives and woman queens, the mid east had like seven genders and the Pacific ocean and South Asian were full of gender non conforming genders such as Faʻafafine and kinnar.
>yuricuck
it's Jilcoschizo doing his usual samefagging spamming rant about lesbians even when people don't talk about them.
he is on a constant crusade to poison every thread with overt bad faith just to kill every legitimate discussion.
So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene. Very well, thank you for your time. We’re done here then.
>So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene
He is not the person you were arguing with anon. I was. And here is your confirmation that there is:
>So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene
No I don't actually because I have a hard interpreting Mariner's reaction as anything but sexual interest in seeing a naked Jen making out with a naked Barnes.
Mariner shows attraction for many people across the show. This scene makes a valid argument for Maribarnes, consider that Mariner called her hot back in the pilot. It’s not proof of her having any attachment to blue buttcheeks.
>Mariner shows attraction for many people across the show
Agreed. >It’s not proof of her having any attachment to blue buttcheeks.
But what about attraction?
I personally defend it mostly because I like certain aspects of it.
I really like Boimler's small progress into a more assertive leader and Mariner to stop being so auto destructive. I am what you'll probably claim to be a self inserter because I want Boimler and Mariner to date (but I wouldn't be mad if it doesn't happen), find many characters cute also T'ylin will hopefully fully integrate because it feels like they're almost done with Tendi's progress.
The show also has plenty of bad things like hit or miss humor, mediocre first few episodes, a bad tendency to return to status quo and inconsistent character progression.
But overall I really like the show and will defend it from what I perceive as annoying cultural war bullshit with baseless takes and conspiracies
>No one would put this much energy into defending this
so, it's our first day on the internet?
Okay, call me bad faith if it makes you feel any better about your inadequate reasoning skills.
You are the one complaining about a video being 3 minute long while arguing for hours about a fictional relationship that was never meant to be considered important in the first place.
>that was never meant to be considered important
One could argue what’s the point in wasting things on unimportant things in a show that gets 10 episodes per year. Of course we know it was important because it was the show’s attempt to capitalize on queer publicity.
>One could argue what’s the point in wasting things on unimportant things
Character being seen dating is as valid as characters being seen eating and discussing. It's part of the social life on the ship.
>Of course we know it was important because it was the show’s attempt to capitalize on queer publicity.
Everything in Season 3 contradict that statement. It's just portrayed as a normal relationship.
you have failed to establish any valid critic. You have no objective reason to complain about the show.
>It's just portrayed as a normal relationship
I’m curious what what you would consider an abnormal relationship. All queer relationships are portrayed as normal in media, that’s the point.
>I’m curious what what you would consider an abnormal relationship
I didn't meant that anormal was the opposite of it, I meant in contrast to a relationship that is more central to the plot or the character development.
A more central, important to the plot relationship, given more importance be the show, would be one like Rachel and Ross, or William Riker and Troi, Or Keiko and O'Brian.
A more normal, non-important relationship would be Bashir dating Leeta, the Dabo girl, or woever Joe is dating for this week episode. Mariner dating Jen belong to this category.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The lesbian relationship was not played off as unimportant. Jen was not the love interest of the week. It was a continuing season arc and it shall be judged accordingly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The lesbian relationship was not played off as unimportant
Yes it was. At most it's a stept for Mariner as it indicate she is ready to let more people enter her life.
>Jen was not the love interest of the week
She is tha character a main cast date for a few episode before moving on, like Bashir with Leeta.
>It was a continuing season arc
It wasn't an arc, it was just a part of Mariner's social life.
>And it shall be judged accordingly.
Then judge it like Bashir and Leeta.
You know what I'm tired of people being mad at the show for dumb and wrong reasons.
I'm mad because they don't know what to do with Tendi because her main flaw is naivete that in my main is mainly over, lack of confidence and clumsiness but like she's the one with the best chances to getting a promotion out of the Cerritos now and it feels like she's earned it.
I know plenty of us like her but does anyone else feel this way? It could give more room for T'ylin.
Also I'm not feeling the section 31 plotline.
Finally I just realized this, and the far better show prodigy, will be affected by the writers strike so that's sad.
Millennials are incapable of writing things that aren’t divisive on purpose. It’s the name of the game. They put divisive shit in their shows and watch nerds cannibalize each other.
Millennials are incapable of writing things that aren’t divisive on purpose. It’s the name of the game. They put divisive shit in their shows and watch nerds cannibalize each other.
>Millennials are incapable of writing things that aren’t divisive on purpose.
There was nothing divisive about . the people who complain about it are unable to provide a coherent critic.
Don't blame something on a show for something only the fandom is responsible for.
>nothing divisive about
It managed to piss off three separate demographics:
1. People who like Star Trek but aren’t big on woke shit.
2. People who ship Mariner and that purple fag.
3. People who like lesbians but were expecting more.
I’ll give this one a light 9/10 in terms of divisiveness.
>1. People who like Star Trek but aren’t big on woke shit.
A bunch of self-contradicting moron isn't a significant demographic. >2. People who ship Mariner and that purple fag.
Most people knew it was not a significant relationship. >3. People who like lesbians but were expecting more.
Almost no one complained when they broke up.
It's just a noisy minority being shown again and again that they are factually wrong.
Whats even woke about the show besides a few characters being gay? Seriously im asking because im on the fence of watching this and a few characters carpet munching doesnt bother me
Yeah it's kinda how conservatives find "what's the definition of woman" as a gotcha.
Well we fill the same with how when we ask the same for woke.
Both of them don't really have one other than a vibe and I'm perfectly fine admitting that because I somewhat care about a small group of people feeling better and I agree with the vibe definition which is to say there's cases when someone is not a woman because it's just a person not understanding being trans like Chris Chan or Ezra Miller in the case of being non binary (he's told his friends he really doesn't care for it privately) "live and let live" type stuff also before you mention it there are bad people in the LGBT community but the spirit of it is still something I think it's good. A lot of people defend out flawed groups like cops because they believe their spirit or vibe is good difference is that we should be able to quickly make cops better and anti legislation against LGBT people and other conservative stuff is what I consider to be bad. The way I see it cops should not get so many guns and should be restructure to have higher standards and training also media sensationalizes what inability happens (a bad cop) but there seems to be evidence that there's problems to be fixed regardless of that.
Just watch Prodigy instead. It’s overlooked but it’s so much better. And you won’t have to worry about any woke in it aside from a non-binary gas alien.
It's not totally woke Mariner is way over the top to the point that makes her annoying and some Pro GURL POWAAH but not much some times Secondary stories with in the Episode are way better then Main character plot. So its a solid 7/10 but resent season was pretty good.
I likes the first two seasons
One thing I found great in the writing is that it does sitcom comedy hijinks but keeps the utopian ideals of Star Trek. There are sections where in other stories there would be a misunderstanding for forced conflict but they just ...talk things out. It's refreshing. It shows you can do comedy without needing to have a bunch of characters be assholes (not saying there is anything wrong with Sunny In Philly style humor but it's refreshing to see the reverse)
Every character has there personality flaws but almost everyone is a genuinely good person who keeps the best interests of others in mind.
It wasn't an insult, both are satirical takes on star trek the only difference being that lower decks is actually set within the star trek franchise.
The only complaint I keep hearing people give about Lower decks is based in this weird idea that star trek can't be a comedy and HAS to be 100% serious at all times which is ridiculous.
Should have invested in the rising incel market myself. Could have made a killing in self-help books telling people about basic hygiene: Your toothbrush and you, why you do need the soap, deodorant is your friend. Money on the table.
Did Tendi show up?
truly a missed oppurtunity, her voice actress is cute enough to pull it off too
Damn, she'd be great.
Honestly I think the LD characters were definitely cast in part based on whether they could potentially play their characters in live action as well.
That's how this shit always goes. It's very rarely a focus of an episode or show but people lose their goddamn minds about it existing at all
>I must defend the gay agenda!
It's Star Trek 4chantard, if gay people trigger you spare yourself and us and just stop watching. There's multiple season of Yellowstone for you at this point, enjoy.
You lost already. It’s time to shut up.
YWNBAW
Ywabav
A virgin can just hire a hooker.
A chud will always be a chud.
The odds are not in your favor.
>paying for sex when it's free
I can see why you're still a virgin. You put on the pussy behind a paywall
your birth name will be on your gravestone
You won't have a grave stone
I can’t comprehend how someone can be this obsessed with other people’s gender and they think this is a good comeback
I am the person you're responding to. I dont care about the gay agenda. Or your/any agenda. I said in another post I actually have no interest in relationship stuff at all. In fact I skip stuff like sex scenes in media but I understand I'm not who it's there for.
It also doesn't detract from my enjoyment because it's literally not the focus. It's just there and I dont really think about it at all unless it's directly plot related so it baffles me that it existing period is so triggering to you guys. It's literally nothing and you could easily ignore it as I do or just watch something that aligns with your interests and sensibilities more. That seems logical to me. You're acting like a baby and making it seem deeper than it really is.
Considering half of the DS9 episode was wasted on lesbian book club shit, yes, it’s intrusive and obnoxious.
They did this on purpose. It was a calculated publicity stunt
Yo all I said is I dont care and try to just pay attention to aspects of the show I am interested in of which there are still plenty.
And if it was then it failed since the only people I've seen talking about it are the retards in this thread
It’s not helped by the fact that the lesbian couple was viewed as an intentional contradiction of a very prominent ship in the fandom. The show was viewed as rather fan-friendly up until that point so no wonder people felt betrayed.
Nothing good came out of this.
The show sold its soul to LGBT activists. There’s no walking it back and it’ll only get worse.
And that's a good thing because lgbt is here to replace you
Mariner and Boimler are more interesting as friends, Chadward Boimler stepping over women left and right like the Jimmy Olsen of space is a great joke, and I don't give a fuck about shipping in Lower Decks because it's a sitcom.
Plus they can still have a Chakotay/ Seven asspull kiss in the finale.
I like it actually I'll like it a lot but also understand it's a sitcom so I'm not dying for it and won't really get man it it never happens.
Putting Mariner and Boimler is the only way LOW could possibly redeem itself. It’d require a Picard S3 style course correction.
A Picard-style course correction would require the change of showrunner, change of all the writers, and a change of producers.
It’s never going to happen, McMahan has too much influence.
No one would miss McMahon
He’s got dirt on some at Paramount so he’s not going anywhere until they’re forced to fire him.
It’s unfortunate that McMahan’s greasy unwashed Cheeto fingers are all over the SNW crossover too.
Why are you so invested in the one pairing? Grow up.
1. They’re cute.
2. It would be an ideological statement.
>It would be an ideological statement.
>a show must cater to my identity politics to be good
You sound like an asshole.
You win some today, you lose some tomorrow. It’s only fair.
LGBT people need to brought down a peg.
It doesn't need a course correction, it's a good show.
You claimed that Picard S1 and S2 were good earlier ITT, so your opinion doesn’t count. An aggressive course correction (ie making something for the fans) would be good for LOW.
Not that anon (which is the point) so how come you know who it is.
That's a problem in this thread, it's hard not to strawman each other.
Whether you think it’s a good show or not, getting rid of Roiland’s creepy colleague would be a net gain for the show. For one, he’d stop harassing the lead actress.
>Picard S3 style course correction
If only
>Mariner and Boimler
Literally the most incel thing imaginable.
>he's smart, so all pussy must fall in his wake!
>not Tendi
Fuck.
is she going to be a lesbo in live action too??
I assume they're betting on the audience forgetting about the woke shit.
That's the best part about her though. She triggers chuds. They've been complaining about woke for decades now and more and more shows keep supporting it because they're on the right side of history.
you're late to the game
And resetting the show back to status quo somehow redeems it for having some of the most obnoxious gay shit in recent memory?
>some of the most obnoxious gay shit in recent memory
literally two (2) episodes out of ten (10) in S3 featured Jennifer, in one of them she was an illusion for 10s, and in both cases it was just one of the subplots.
Anon, I'm not some conservative nutcase. I'm fine with gay shit as long as it's in service of the story, and it's properly fleshed out, like in The Owl House.
The bullshit in Lower Decks involved the main character randomly falling in lesbians with some literal who and then the show expecting you to care when they break up. The fact it was just shallow pandering that stuck around for an entire season like a sorry reminder that the show is now "that kind of show" what made it obnoxious.
>I'm not some conservative nutcase.
No, you're just a whining bitch
>whining
Maybe if the show didn't stoop so low, there'd be no whining?
You're blaming people for being mad instead of blaming the writers for writing shit that made them mad.
>blaming people
They'll keep blaming the fans and expect their quarterly returns to be good lololololol
They'll do just about anything instead of making a good show.
TBF part of Paramount's problem is they have a streaming service that outside of Star Trek has a weak selection of the large catalog of actually good stuff they have access to and fewer original shows than other services to justify paying for their streaming service continually. They think they can just lean on Star Trek
Writers didn't derail every discussion of this show. That's on you.
That's your problem. You'll keep blaming everyone for your problems instead of people responsible.
>the show expecting you to care when they break up
the scene here
conveys the exact opposite. the only episode that showcased the Mariner x Jennifer relationship had them bickering non-stop. if anything, you were supposed to NOT care about the couple and their break-up because it was staged as a whim for Mariner to realise that she likes Boimler more.
>randomly
She quite literally spells out in the first episode she's pansexual who will and has slept with pretty much any gender or species. Its was mostly out of rebellious spite for her parents, but still.
It happened randomly, her sexuality had nothing to do with it. It would have been just as random and shit if it was straight. But it wouldn’t have happened if it were straight because it was only about rainbow marketing and pulling a Korrasami.
Stop defending this crap just because it’s gay. The gayness makes it more obnoxious but it’s hardly the root problem. The problem is the writer making random Barbie dolls cramming their faces together because he’s a gigantic hack who wanted cheap publicity.
They never would've done it if it weren't for "fans" pointing it out. Blame people like Wil Wheaton and Jesse Gender.
>It would have been just as random and shit if it was straight. But there wouldn't be threads about it because it wouldn't be culture war then.
>most obnoxious gay shit
>lasted less than 15 minutes
You're more sensitive than the gays
why wouldn't she be?
Anon wants Mariner to set up a threesome with Pike and Uhura, as Roddenberry would have intended.
It's what the hu-mons call an iced cream sandwich. They have an entire meal based around sweets, you know.
Thought she pansexual
>pansexual
Just like Korra. Still is considered a dyke because that’s what they put the most emphasis on
She was straight for 99% of the show though. You're the one obsessing about her figuring out guys are worthless and saying that was the focus
>guys are worthless
Is there anything written by millennials that isn’t motivated by hate?
Judging by all the chud and gender hate in this thread, no.
No, McMahan is not writing this one.
Thank God
>No, McMahan is not writing this one.
Asking out of curiosity, does this man put gay stuff in all of his works?
There's This show and also Solar Opposites too
Is McMahan gay himself? Or is he just really trying to appease the LGBT crowd?
>does this man put gay stuff in all of his works?
He wrote the Rick and Morty episode where Jerry cheats on Beth with a man.
>Solar Opposites
Haven't watched it.
>Is McMahan gay himself?
No.
>Or is he just really trying to appease the LGBT crowd?
Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room. So it's two-faced pandering motivated solely by the desire to get some publicity and make a name for himself as the "inclusive" writer. An average anon here is probably less homophobic than him, the difference is that he’s good at keeping up appearances.
>He wrote the Rick and Morty episode where Jerry cheats on Beth with a man.
Gonna need you to be more specific there
Are you talking about Sleepy Gary or...?
>Haven't watched it.
The 2 main characters (pic related) are both guys in a relationship but they also cheat on each other quite frequently (or is it an open relationship? Like hell if I know) but they're also aliens so maybe their idea of marriage is different from the norm.
>Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room. So it's two-faced pandering motivated solely by the desire to get some publicity and make a name for himself as the "inclusive" writer. An average anon here is probably less homophobic than him, the difference is that he’s good at keeping up appearances.
So he's not much different from Justin then? Interesting
>Yes. The funniest thing about this is that one of his coworkers on Solar leaked a conversation where he made some homophobic jokes in the writers room
Can I get sauce on this? Sounds hilarious
https://www.cbr.com/solar-opposites-showrunner-accused-homophobic-comments-hulu/
>cbr
Damn I was hoping it be Twitter drama
>>>/misc/
Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Where’s that blue dyke, McMahan!? You told me that’s what everyone wanted to see instead of that boring het shit.
>Mariner and.. Boimler? I thought no one cared about those two?
Only because Jack Quaid is a Hollywood superstar. Rest assured, Mike McMahan will continue the woke subversive bullshit in his cartoon realm.
rent free
Sass won't bring back Anheuser
>discussing the topic at hand? RENT FREE!!!!!!
Your handlers really need to update your scripts, Shareblue bot.
Look at all the deleted posts ITT. The shill is malding because people are calling out the gay agenda.
Dedicating so much time on a show you hate is equally pathetic
They don't have anything better to watch
They could've watched old Trek and left it at that.
>people are calling out the gay agenda.
How's that been working for you, senpai? Less gays in tv recently?
It won’t happen overnight, but all those lay-offs and cancellations and financial losses signal that the woke fad is over. What is happening in Florida is just the start.
Most of the canceled shows were heteroshit though. Proof the people are tired of it
The topic was "lower decks in real life", not lesbian shit.
Well, Lower Decks decided to do lesbian shit at the exact moment the lesbian fatigue kicked in. Those are the results.
Then again, the show is a collection of rehashed adult animation tropes, and it feels like a show from mid 2010s, so lesbianism was obviously going to happen.
So we have hetero fatigue and lesbian fatigue. Whats next?
>hetero fatigue
You’re an interesting mix of mental illness and entitlement.
>our shoehorned boring badly written romance subplots are... LE GOOD!
Why is Schmigadoon there?
>women and men getting together and fulfilling their biological roles?
>IM GOING INSANEEEEE
Tolerance was never enough for you; you want gayness to be the new normal, and the only way to achieve that is to dismantle the traditional male/female order.
This but unironically. Showing straight people in love is good and healthy, showing gay shit is bad. Keep seething.
Based.
What does any of that have to do with live-acton?
If you want to be a pedantic ass, live action belongs on >>>/misc/. But Paramount would have a harder time shilling there.
The topic was "lower decks in real life", not lesbian shit. So why didn't you lead with "Wrong board"? Why were you so desperate to make the conversation about lesbian shit and not lower decks in real life?
Lesbian shit is part of Lower Decks and forever will be. What are you lashing out at me for??
What does that have to do with Lower Decks in real life? Why are you forcing this lesbian conversation? Why don't you focus on other things?
I’ll do you one better: why is Hollywood forcing lesbian shit in all cartoons nowadays???
>Why are you forcing this lesbian conversation?
You should probably ask Lower Decks writers this exact question lmaooo
Mikes nepobaby rant makes more sense now
>Mikes nepobaby rant
qrd?
The Guy who plays Boimler, is Dennis Quaids son
Lower decks soup
Soup
> invade people's private spaces
Dude, this is fucking Star Trek. ToS had american television's first onscreen inter-racial kiss. Decades later, DS9 had the first same sex kiss.
Star Trek has *always* been very socially progressive. Of all of the franchises to bitch about including LGBT stuff, trying to claim that Star Trek has been invaded by wokeness is a fucking farce. The Federation has always been liberal gay space future.
It used to tell a story, anon, instead of just throwing gay shit at its gender-confused audience.
You're just angry and lashing out, a dog trained to bark in anger the moment you see a rainbow. There is literally nothing objectionable that has been done with Mariner and Jennifer's relationship, and I defy you to cite otherwise.
>ToS had american television's first onscreen inter-racial kiss.
It wasn't voluntary in-show, they were forced to kiss for the villains' amusement through telekinesis. That's a far cry from all the gay shit we see nowadays.
This. At least the gay shit in DS9 served a purpose in the story instead of just being lazy and hamfisted rainbow pandering like in LD.
>Due to the racism of its time period the writing had to give a convoluted reasoning for the kiss so IT DOES NOT COUNT
Holy cope
>The Federation has always been liberal gay space future.
Post Scarcity-Socialist gay space future. The economics of Star Trek are such that Ferengi are considered weird for being capitalists still.
What a shocker. Fake fans looking for shit to complain about.
Are you both retarded? This is Star Trek. Just about every iteration has involved time travel at some point. And yes they are literally the same characters which we have known since it was announced. IIRC the episode is even supposed to have animated bookends in LDs style.
>you MUST love forced lesbian shit otherwise you’re not a real Star Trek fan
Sigh…
I dont really care about that. But when I say I dont care like I actually dont care about it. I have no interest in relationship stuff at all for that matter as someone who has never been dated, rejected literally thousands of times, and has entirely walked away from that aspect of life. But it hasn't really detracted from my enjoyment of these shows at all. It's just there. Nothing about this seems worth complaining about or even really acknowledging. It's not that aggressively focused on in the show. especially not as much as it by you guys lmao
I'm not sitting here complaining that my sci-fi space travel show has relationshiphavers and sexhavers in it. I dont even think about it at all except when directly relevant to the plot.
>been rejected literally thousands of times
Yikes. Maybe lose weight?
I actually used to lift for years. I also played soccer and took ballet when I was younger. And I walk 45 mins each way to and from work.
I definitely do not need to lose weight and have never been overweight.
But I do have autism and schizophrenia and I'm told that is related to my difficulty. Anyway that's off topic. I was just illustrating my indifference toward any kind of relationship stuff in the show not just gay stuff.
>>>/misc/
Lower Decks is Co, Deal with it.
This ain't Lower Decks
It's Strange New Worlds
Get your eyes checked
>>>/misc/
The characters are frtom Lower Decks and the people in this thread are primarily discussing something happened on LD.
How about you fucking have a nice day instead gay i wishi could fucking shoot you in your fucking face holy shit
It's a live action adaptation of a cartoon. DCEU and Mceu still get talked about here. There's even 5 lil mermaid threads up right now posted by racist trying to pretend the movie is a flop
>racist
How is pointing out racialbait outrage casting racist?
>Star Trek has *always* been very socially progressive.
TOS used to make thought provoking commentary of subjects like racism as a seamless part of the plot. Now you got Rafe giving Picard shit about his privilege in post-scarcity society, limitless energy, and a replicator on every corner by a dead-beat mom hooked on space-crack.
Fuck off.
Good luck talking any sense to a paid shill.
>Now you got Rafe giving Picard shit about his privilege in post-scarcity society
Actually, you don't.This isn't what happens in this scene and you are just parroting complain of people who don't actually care about the show.
The whole point of Star Trek straight from Rodenberry was to be a vehicle for globohomo prpoganda. It was even originally going to be exclusively acted, recorded, and broadcast in esperanto, the failed globohomo language
>muh globalhomo
Nationalism is a fucking mental illness
I know you're not necessarily a fascist/nationalist but isn't it interesting some people find "weakness" to be disgusting that's such a foreign concept to me in this specific case because I do get disgusted thinking on people like Jeff Bezos and in your particular case I'm sure you find "globohomo" disgusting
All you had to do was have no life, replace it with product and go into debt over it, chud.
Where is this from?
Also while I'm here is there any news for season 4 of Lower Decks any planned release?
Last I heard it was set to release this summer, exactly what date tba.
Since the goal is to replace Trek with Trek it'll probably start a short while after season 2 of SNW. Hopefully after that we'll get Prodigy.
upcoming strange new worlds/lower decks crossover
Season 4:
I think they were renewed for season 5 as well
>strange new worlds/lower decks crossover
Aren't they separated by like 110 years?
Time travel via transporter.
So you admit you can't do it. I accept your surrender.
wait a minute dont this live action show in particular is suppose to be like a prequel while lower decks take place after new generation?
I think they're not supposed to be the same characters but are just the VAs doing a cameo
>I think they're not supposed to be the same characters but are just the VAs doing a cameo
>Live long and prosper, Mr. Boimler.
see
They wear the Ceritos uniform and Spock calls him Boimler.
This is Star Trek. Time travel, alternate universe, holodeck shenanigans, you be the judge.
same uniforms anfn Spock says Boimler, crossover announced for like a year now.
are you retarded?
>aside from the fact that it shouldn't even exist.
yeah pretty pointless to have them date for a few episodes in a season and the dump Jennifer in the last episode. kinda like saying "here's your gay romance, OH NO JENNIFER WAS IS BAD GF she deserves to get dumped, right?"
and it worked there was no public outcry for the dump of the gay couple and Paramount got away with it
>there was no public outcry
probably because there aren't that many alphabet people and everyone else was just rooting for this garbage excuse for a romance to go away.
and despite the fact that queers are an irrelevant portion of the audience they still decided to pander to them for whatever fucking reason and alienated literally everyone else
yeah they justify this by saying "star trek was always woke"
You'll always be a virgin
Woah there, anon! With witty comebacks like these I could confuse you for a Lower Decks writer.
I'm the first person to call out people being crybabies about dumb shit, but making fun of someone being upset at a shitty reboot feels weird when the first notable thing she did was be on the news to talk about someone running some kind of hack on her in GTA Online.
The most dedicated hardcore fanbase that kept Star Trek alive back in the late 60s and through the 70s were gay-shipping fujos. You literally are posting in a thread for a franchise that appeals to gays and women.
>The most dedicated hardcore fanbase that kept Star Trek alive back in the late 60s and through the 70s were gay-shipping fujos.
No, they were merely the most annoying but statistically amounted to a rounding error. They did not meaningfully sustain the fandom and in some cases brought the wrath of Roddenberry down on them (realistic fanart of Kirk and Spock fucking in costume and ears had to give way to what amounted to Shatner and Nimoy in regular hair and mundane getups).
You weren't there, don't make up shit.
>muh woke culture
you gays have no other thing to fight over
How about you fags stop ruining shows and movies for a change?
We care because you care anon.
Trekkies are as ill as weirdos on twitter
okay, how about you turn off your television and make your own shows?
You know, with all those shitty woke writers on strike, maybe we'll actually see some good writing on television.
AIs will be programmed to write the same garbage but slightly better
Yes, and the straights also had an agenda these past 50 years, totally. Retard.
>the straights also had an agenda these past 50 years
Has it occurred to you that maybe... heterosexuality is the norm and 99% of people are heterosexual? And despite that, most girls in cartoons are now lesbians (or some other flavor of queer) now.
Look at all the hypocrites in this thread
If shills are gonna shill, the next best thing is to keep calling them out on it,
For example, the lesbian apologists ITT
>ignores actual shill threads to bump this one
You're not as smart as you think
>he thinks I'm bumping
Thank-you for your support
>all these dudes salty their ship is non-canon
Or maybe people are just tired of every cartoon shoving gay shit down their throats? And it's always the same kind of gay shit. They never do gays, it's always lesbians.
It's funny that it's always the sexually charged language of shoving things down your throat. Kinda makes it sound like a wishlist rather than a complaint.
>sexually charged language
No, you're just a pervert. Like most yuricucks.
>They never do gays, it's always lesbians.
You say that like you fag obsessed fags haven't spent the past year screaming about how Superboy is gay.
No, it’s Superman who’s gay, not Superboy. After being raped in a cave by an evil version of his father for 7 years. Very progressive.
>muh gay rape fantasies
Yes we know you can’t stop thinking about such things, you keep reminding us every week
worse than that, it's always some DRAMA
but it's not drama bout being a homo, noooo that is always instantly accepted, even on not-star-trek shows where it makes no sense.
no the drama is about I DONT KNOW IF I WANNA BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WAAAA I CAN'T HANDLE COMMITMENT
every fucking show. it's almost like putting two emotionally unstable people into a couple doesn't work.
more like third world deck
It burns!
>I hate this thing so much im gonna go find every source of it i can so make a collage of it and spread it
holy fuckig shit the schizo levels
Can't handle facts?
more like cant handle the logic. The sheer number of non-same sex relationships in media easily eclipses same-sex ones even with the recent uptick . Plus most here probably hevent even watched those shows and were never going to regardless of gay stuff so whats the point?
>The sheer number of non-same sex relationships in media easily eclipses same-sex ones even with the recent uptick
This isn't even close to being true.
>admitted to not watching any media
Why are you here?
Idiot. Anything with a straight character in it it going to shoehorn in a romance subplot, doesn't matter if it's comedy, action, horror. 99% of characters are straight, 90% of those characters are regularly in relationships. 99% of parents in media are straight.
>99% of characters are straight, 90% of those characters are regularly in relationships. 99% of parents in media are straight.
99% of all humans on earth are straight.
Okay, maybe 98.6% of all humans...I just rounded up.
By the way...according to recent stats, queers are over-represented in Hollyweird.
The number of queer characters on TV & movies is over six times greater than the number of queers in real life.
And yet it's still not enough for the likes of you, is it?
The only thing weirder than getting assmad over this kind of thing is having all those statistics.
Provide evidence.
Trust me, bro. Why would I lie about an agenda I'm trying to push?
Reminder that the EAT DA POOPOO preacher got ironically arrested for possessing gay porn
That is all
>trying this hard to haha gotcha
also do i need to get the left handedness chart?
It's not a gotcha. If LGBT persons make up less than 5% of the population, why would they be overrepresented in media?
People who go on wacky adventures every week also make up less than 5% of the population, why are they so over represented in media?
>there is one gay couple on a starship with hundreds of people in it
>somehow this is overrepresentation
CROSE ENOUGH!
any representation is overrepresentation. tv's job is to entertain, not represent people.
Cry more.
Why are men over represented in media when they’re less than half of the population?
>actress is much cuter in "no make-up" make-up and "natural" hairdo than in her usual make-up and hairdo
many such cases
I just realised live-action Mariner basically has her flashback hairstyle
This show fell off bad.
A normal person remembers it as the best DS9 episode since the 90s
>best DS9 episode since the 90s
Dedicating half of the runtime to a lame lesbian book club sideplot will surely guarantee that it goes down as a classic and totally won't age horribly when the woke fad fades away.
As someone actually watching the season now, this was a very minor aspect on the episode, which was entirely about the lower decks trying to impress another crew. Her bisexuality was not the main plot of that episode.
Don't bother. Haters never argue about this show in good faith.
People defending it don’t argue in good faith either.
It was, I think, a big part of that episode, but not in the way being complained about, specifically the difference between Babe Jennifer and Werewolf Jennifer showing Mariner's insecurities about relationships and Boimler, correctly, suggesting she go back into therapy. Still just a part of the episode. Outpost scientists being assholes has become a recurring theme, but Tendi's science officer training complete with her telling the captain to shut up. With Boimler doing the same in the finale some of this season is arguably the Lower Decks learning to stand up for themselves. They're growing. It will be interesting to see if Mariner actually sticks to the lesson she learned or if she backslides into chaos and self-sabotage again. Another good line from this episode was Boimler telling Mariner it's good to see her with a girlfriend instead of her usual destroying everything she touches.
>it's the fans fault for not liking The Last Jedi!
>you've ruined discussion of Star Wars by bringing up how shitty is
Sigh...
The new season of Barry took a turn
Why am I still opening these!?
>le everyone who le likes what le I le don't is le shill
Or you're just a whiny moron baby.
Bro, you could at least try to blend in.
NtA but even Tawny Newsome, Mariner's VA, hated that they forced her character into a lesbo book club story when everyone got to have fun with DS9 stuff. If McMahon had kept them together like the original plan then Newsome would be a whiny moron too.
Pretty sure Newsome didn't care about the gay, it was the lame b story while everyone else got to have a DS9 adventure since DS9 is her favorite Trek and even part of Mariner's backstory. She had to fight just to get the final scene where Mariner was at Quarks.
Her scene with Quark was great though.
I think it helps to remember that Mariner self-identifies as a free-spirit Kirk-style badass she, as with everything else in her life, overcompensates so romance wise she's gone to plaid past Kirk and into Captain Jack Harkness territory. With her penchant for bad boys, bad girls, bad binars, bad non-binary babes I'm surprised she's never dated any megalomaniac computers, though wouldn't be surprised if she actually had.
It's kind of weird that Quark still doesn't know it was Kira who put his head on her body. Maybe he thinks it was Odo? The constable does have a sense of humor, like the time he and Quark convinced O'Brien and Bashir that they weren't back to their original size after the shrinking Runabout incident.
i prefer animated mariner.
Source?
>inb4 read the thread
Skimmed it, seems like a shitshow. I rather wait for some answers.
Cartoons invading live action.
Looks like the usual Nu-Trek piece of shit
If it’s any consolation, Paramount is a dying company and the WGA strike put their production in limbo. This era of Trek could end pretty soon.
Good. Hope it takes the whole era of woke American media with it.
Go woke go broke
Good riddance
>Kurtzman’s WokeTrek finally coming to an end
Christmas came early.
It's a SNW crossover
It's Strange New Worlds doing a live action crossover with animated show Lower Decks.
Star Trek fans now are the type of people who complained about the interrecial kiss back in the original series.
I can't believe this sort of blatant disingenuous nonsense is still being parroted. There's leagues of difference between the true multiculturalism featured in TOS to ENT and the blatant virtue signaling that we get now.
Nah, it's the same "people are people" stuff it always was, you're just a bitter old cunt.
People who think Paramount doesn’t shill their crap on Cinemaphile are delusional and should have witnessed the aggressive Dungeons and Dragons campaign when the film flopped.
The shills aren’t allowed to criticize the show’s LGBT aspects, which is why they all come off so phony. Look at the lengths some posters ITT go through to defend Star Trek’s worst romance just because it’s gay instead of just admitting it was shit and made the show worse which would help them blend in.
You say shills
I say yurifags
Anon there's absolutely no way a regular person would want to see girls kissing girls, such thing can be only the result of corporate spies infiltrating Cinemaphile.
You’ve got a point: we should just replace all relationships in media with lesbians. Who cares about good writing, make my dick hard with CalArts stick figures kissing.
Fuck off, you deplorable coombrain.
I’m pretty sure regular people are tired of this crap being pushed everywhere
This feels pretty disingenuous given there were so many gaping, festering wound problems with the Willow series and two chicks kissing wasn't really it. This is a high fantasy world they tacked modern (mostly cover) music to. This is also a series where Willow pulls a flamethrower out of his butt and when another character demands to know what it is he actually says, "Don't worry about it," it never shows up again and if it had shown up earlier he might have saved his friend from being killed.
It was a goddamn train wreck and I'm so glad it was cancelled, even if the guy behind it claims it's just on hiatus. Fuck that.
It’s the same principle of a show opting to do lazy LGBT pandering for publicity’s sakes. In Willow’s credit, it at least attempts to flesh out the relationship instead of just having it be there and demanding to be praised for it. Lower Decks reached a whole new level of laziness with its rainbow pandering.
Mariner being omnisexual is established very early on. I'm not sure why people freaked out about it. It's like you were told for years that wood is flammable then when you see your first forest fire you start flipping your shit out.
>Lower Decks reached a whole new level of laziness with its rainbow pandering.
It was a short sex-gag in one episode, and a small part of a b-plot in another. It wasn't pandering. Of all the faults with modern Trek Mariner's lesbian shit is real low on the list.
Doesn't the main sub ban everyone who speaks out against STD? Didn't they also get chud Reddit mods to delete the "hateful" second Trek sub where people who got banned were allowed to complain about modern Trek? I guess that's what fags get for using Reddit.
>chud
Fuck off back to 4chan
This is how I feel about it. SNW is mostly good, LD is hit or miss, and Prodigy and PIC S3 are both supposedly good. But I mean, when's the last time we even had a really new idea in Star Trek anyway?
>People who think Paramount doesn’t shill their crap on Cinemaphile are delusional and should have witnessed the aggressive Dungeons and Dragons campaign when the film flopped.
Or maybe they just wanted the D&D movie to be successful so that there would be more D&D content, but that would be cuhrayzee.
Most American LGBT content just doesn't jive with me. I'm a fag who'll cry his eyes out over BL manga, but I just have no desire to see spunky lesbians or bearded brown men.
>I'm a fag who'll cry his eyes out over BL manga
Lmao, which BL manga do you like?
In terms of representation, there really isn't. TOS and TNG were the "woke" shows at the time, you're only upset about the new ones because you are living on this moment in time. If you were the same age back in the day you'd also be seething about these shows you love. Embrace it, you've become the enemy.
There is literally, LITERALLY no difference. That was the entire point you casual gay.
>It wasn’t virtue signalling then but it is now!
There is literally no difference between the two other than you’re watching the new stuff today and getting triggered by the latter because of your brain worms. This “old good, new bad!” mental gymnastics song and dance is so fucking tiresome.
I love postmodern moral relativism. 10 years from now it’ll be “Making Mariner a lesbian is just the same as having Zardoz admitting he’s attracted to children you conservative bigot!”
>attracted to children
The correct nomenclature is minor-attracted person (MAP), chud.
Nice
>all those deleted posts
Some yuricuck’s big mad because his favorite show got called out
Or just shills trying to damage control.
/toon/ is tired of the lesbian agenda. Try harder.
>troll posts deleted
>continue trolling
Keep reporting if facts bother you so much.
I don't need your permission, sweaty.
People calling out lazy agenda-driven writing is not trolling. Imagine being so fragile because people won’t let you circlejerk about masturbating to cartoon girls kissing.
Wwweeellllll, the mods disagree, sssooo...
Looks like the mods don’t disagree after all. Some janny, likely noncisgender, abused his authority to delete inconvenient posts and since no one got banned they’ll likely get fucked for abuse of power when this comes out.
DaAAayyyuummm Tandy got some fucking photon torpedoes.
>Reddit is literally saying that Star Trek is in another Golden Age
Even as someone who hates 4chan, I really fucking doubt that when SNW is basically the only really good show they're putting out right now. Not to mention the movies being non-existent.
Lower Decks is pretty fun and Picard season 3 is allegedly good, but yeah, this is no TNG/DS9/VOY.
>Picard season 3 is allegedly good
No, no it was not. Shit on the Changelings (you can stab them to death now), shits on the Borg, shits on the characters you love, throws out nostalgia chum while killing several old characters once they'd achieved nostalgia, and the plot generally makes no real sense. The best you can say is that it's better than the first two seasons. That's such a low bar not even Odo can squeeze under it.
Transfacists try to spin that the messages of old trek are the same as the shot we get now.
Some old trek definitely try to get you to think about things in certain ways, but for the most part it was for the audience to think for themselves.
Nowadays, these writers don’t even hide that they want you to think like them or you’re deemed to be literally hitler.
And as someone stated, multiculturalism and accepting others despite disagreements or differences of the past is different than the current special treatment special people need.
They're the only good looking part of the entire trailer
I liked season 1 well enough, but this looks like it's taking all the shit I hated from it and running with it and leaving all the actually decent stuff behind.
Fuck Kurtzman, that fucking hack
>no Tendi
This is bullshit
Dude, you do not want Tendi anywhere near Pike. He gets near that sweet little green icing cinnamon roll and next thing you know he nabs her for his secret farm where he breeds Orion green animal women. I mean what do you think happened to Doctor Boyce? HE KNEW TOO MUCH.
He was Ben Shapiro the whole time?
This thread feels fake af
I can’t tell if /toon/ is just naturally full of trannies, or there’s some leftypol Discord raid, or they’re actual shills. There’s no way someone would dedicate so much time to defending gay shit in media and spam reports to get rid of the most inconvenient posts.
The fans of this show consist mostly of the Twitter pronoun crowd so they’re being 100% earnest
This. Most people here dropped the show at the first sign of it going bad.
The fifty fans who remain are actively into woke shit that’s why they’re comparing their bottom of the barrel lesbian shit to the groundbreaking and genredefining social progressivism of TOS. I don’t know what they’re doing on Cinemaphile but it is what it is.
Looking at the IP count, I suspect it's mostly one, very active leftypol shitposter who has a burning drive to bathe in chudly tears so much that he's precumming in his panties at the though.
There's probably one dude here out trawling for shit to make a youtube YELLING ABOUT POLITICS video of some type as well.
Don't sweat it. Just don't let lunatics of any political stripe let you think they hold anything beyond their own emotional baggage.
Like you haven't been stalking this thread the entire time.
LOL. The thread has been up for hours, and at least two thirds inane bitching in circles. It glows almost as hard as a Rippa thread.
bump
I'm actually coming out of a big lurk because I hate how we're always repeat the same talking. ok so plenty of people here really like this show (and also hate it) both sides talk at nauseum fighting each other and that's why the up count can be low.
Yet even without infighting like in this thread they move and are healthy.
There's a catalog for you to see.
I predict that by the time you finish reading you'll be thinking well it's still a failing product because it's woke full of gay shit and my god are you annoying to me because you think like that.
A concession I'm giving you is that an sizable and loud part of Americans feel like that but that doesn't mean there's people who like the show and who are not some stereotype like shill or other npc your brain puts on in.
>insert lesbian shit into the show with the subtlety of a sledgehammer
>”noooooo! why are you discussing the forced lesbian shit?!”
lol
>trying to derail discussion of a show with lesbian shit because it had it for a second
People that troll dyke-ra and owlfags thread don't try this hard
>had it for a second
Enough to poison the entire show and all discourse surrounding it. This always happens when a nerd thing gets turned into a wokefest by activists.
Get used to it.
You been bitching all thread to bring attention to yourself. Don't pretend like you have the high ground
What does that even mean? What the fuck does a relationship need to be subtle for?
>girl is suddenly gay for a background extra because background extra saved her life
This would be considered cliché and forced in 2011, but LD got away with it in 2021 because it made it gay™.
>cliché and and forced
it would be considered ‘problematic’ if a strong woman fell for her male savior
Lesbian privilege strikes again
Yeah, it’s actually toxic as fuck because it introduces a power imbalance to the relationship, but it’s gay so it’s okay. Fuck this show lmao
no no there’s no power imbalance because lesbian couples are always healthier than straight couples
oh wait..
>Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners. https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
>Kirk fucks everything
>this is fine
>Riker fucks everything
>this is fine
>Mariner fucks one thing
>WORLD ENDING I'M GOING TO START A HATE BLOG
>Kirk fucks everything
Tell me you haven’t watched TOS without telling me you haven’t watched TOS.
Kirk was actually more reserved than Picard and kept insisting that his lady is the Enterprise, but you’d have to watch Star Trek to know that.
Leftists have an unfortunate tendency to shit all over everything and then they get really upset when it backfires against them.
Just like Jan 6
Take it to pol, or leftypol or just the fuck of /toon/, you tellarite, and take the idiot you're arguing with as well.
Except there was nothing forced about it. It's just a main character dating a secondary character and it's no more forced than how it was done when it happened in Friends.
Seeing you have failed to point out any actual bad writing, your complain is invalid. there was nothing wrong with Mariner dating Jen.
But for that, there has to be actual bad writing in the first place. You have failed to establish so, therefore, you have no valid reason to complain.
Female character falling for a savior is not only cliche, it’s problematic. This wouldn’t fly if it weren’t gay and you know this.
>Female character falling for a savior is not only cliche, it’s problematic
No, it's not. You have failed to make a valid complain.
>This wouldn’t fly if it weren’t gay
MCU Spider-man has saved Michelle Jones several times already.
>No, it's not.
Of course it is. Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships, it’s an incel mindset to think so. But it’s suddenly okay if it’s two girls.
>MCU Spider-man has saved Michelle Jones several times already.
MJ fell for Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
>Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships
Doesn't mean it's forbidden either. You fail to make a point.
>MJ fell for Peter Parker, not Spider-Man.
And? She already knew he was spider-man.
You have failed to establish any bad writing, you have no valid reason to hare Lower Deck.
>Doesn't mean it's forbidden either.
It’s toxic as it introduces a power imbalance into the relationship. It suggests that one party owes the other their life, ergo they should reward them with a relationship. It’s a toxic trope for a reason and the show would get cancelled if it portrayed a strong female character falling for a random male extra because he saved her life.
But it’s okay when girls do it!
>sage go in all fields
>as it introduces a power imbalance into the relationship.
Nope.
>It suggests that one party owes the other their life
No, it doesn't.
you have failed to make a point, you have no valid reason to complain about Lower Decks.
>Nope
>No
>It doesn’t
Amazing arguments.
I don't need to provide arguments when yours are "because I say so".
At no point is there any indication it's an obligation that they date, therefore, you have failed to make any actual complain and thus have no valid reason to hate Lower Deck.
I am telling you that it wouldn’t fly if a strong female character randomly fell for random male character because he saved her life.
You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.
>It’s a toxic trope for a reason
It never was toxic. There are zero indication she dated her because she felt obliged to do so.
>zero indication
It’s a catalyst for the relationship, so this goes beyond indication or implication, fren.
>It’s a catalyst for the relationship
Thank you for recognising she never acted under any obligation. Also
>I am telling you that it wouldn’t fly if a strong female character randomly fell for random male character because he saved her life.
1) it's not the reason Mariner fall in love with Jen, she already had feeling beforehand
2) Stating speculations as fact will never make you win an argument. See
You have failed to make an actual critic, you have thus no valid reason to hate Lower Decks.
>she already had feeling beforehand
That’s speculation. No evidence in the show. Unless you’re going to argue that assaulting and insulting someone is a romantic gesture which it’s objectively not.
Again, falling for a savior is a toxic trope and it wouldn’t fly if they weren’t women. It’s a recognized toxic trope which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
Try harder, LGBT apologist. I’m sure you’ll get there eventually.
>That’s speculation.
Mariner outright said so.
You still have failed to establish she dated her because she felt forced to do it.
>Again, falling for a savior is a toxic trope
there is no bad tropes, only bad executions. You fail to make a point.
>It’s a recognized toxic trope
Source: your ass.
>which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
see
>Mariner outright said so
Quotation required.
>there is no bad tropes, only bad executions. You fail to make a point
It’s a bad execution then and most people agree on this.
You bring up a good point.
It’s made even more toxic by the fact that they had a rivalry. It suggests that a strong female character falls for a bad person just because that bad person saved her life. Femcel fantasy.
>just because
Seeing it's not Just because, you fail to make any valid point and this have failed to explain why this episode was bad.
>It’s a recognized toxic trope which is why Disney is rewriting the story of Snow White to get rid of it.
So you have short-term memory problem. MCU Spider-Man save MJ several times.
Spider-Man saving her wasn’t the catalyst for them dating. MJ liked Peter, not Spider-Man. He saved her as Spider-Man but it didn’t make her like him more because she didn’t know it was Peter.
Being a secret hero doesn’t help Peter Parker score chicks. That’s the whole deal with the secret identity and having to reconcile those two worlds, you do understand that right?
>MJ liked Peter, not Spider-Man.
>Being a secret hero doesn’t help Peter Parker score chicks.
She already knew he was Spider-Man. And Mariner already had feeling for Jen beforehand. You fail to make a point.
>And Mariner already had feeling for Jen beforehand
You’ll have to provide examples to support your argument.
>Quotation required.
>It’s a bad execution then
You have failed to establish that.
>Based.
Not really, it doesn't establish gay relationships are bad.
Is that your video? What am I supposed to do with it? I asked you to provide examples.
>Is that your video?
It's a video.
>>What am I supposed to do with it?
Recognise Mariner say she already had developed attachment to Jennifer before Jen saved her.
>I asked you to provide examples.
You are welcome.
>Recognise Mariner say she already had developed attachment to Jennifer before Jen saved her.
Citation needed. Provide a quote or a scene that proves this, it should be simple to do considering just how convinced you are in your own argument. Otherwise it looks like you’re just imagining things.
>Citation needed
you have failed to make a valid critic against Lower Decks thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
Anon, you just linked the video again. I asked you to provide a citation.
>Anon, you just linked the video again
You are welcome. Aren't you glad I provided exactly what you asked for?
you have failed to make a valid critic against Lower Decks thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
I asked you to provide the exact quote or scene that proves your argument.
You are welcome.
Anon, you’re going in circles. You claim that a character had an attachment for the other character prior to the life saving thing. Provide a quote that proves this. It should be simple. I fail to see how your video is relevant.
>Provide a quote that proves this
You are welcome.
Anon, you just linked the video again. It’s three minutes long. I asked you for the exact quote.
>has been arguing about a rescue scene for several hours and doesn't look like stopping
>can't watch a three and half long minutes video
Why can’t you just a provide a quote to support your claims?
>Anon, you’re going in circles.
you are the one asking again and again something you have already been provided to you several time.
I asked for a quote which would prove your argument. There’s lots of talking in that three minute video, you’ll have to be more specific.
>I asked for a quote which would prove your argument.
And you have been provided an answer. Make you wonder why you keep complaining.
>There’s lots of talking in that three minute video, you’ll have to be more specific.
LoL
I see you continuing to keep asking the thing you have already been provided for more than 10 minute now, I'll consider that you have recognised the point.
Why ask a question only to refuse to see the answer?
Provide the quote. Goddamn it, anon. It shouldn’t be that hard.
>It shouldn’t be that hard.
And watching a 3 minute video is?
left
You have 7 minute remaining to address the video before you defacto admit defeat.
I didn’t ask you for a video. I asked you for a quote, anon.
>I didn’t ask you for a video.
You asked for a proof that Mariner had attachment for Jen before she rescued her. You have been provided.
5 minutes remaining.
Please specify the exact scene and quote in that video that proves your claim
You can argue for hours about a rescue scene, you can watch a 3:38 minutes long video.
3 minute remaining.
I have no obligation to watch anything outside of this thread. I expect you to provide exact quotations and explain them in your own words.
Otherwise we’re just going in circles because you refuse to provide evidence.
It's not a matter of obligation, anon, YOU are the one who asked for proof. I have no obligation to watch.
You don't want to watch it, fine, but bu doing so you forfeit any legitimacy in denying Mariner had attachment for Jennifer prior her rescue.
Your time is out, by refusing to look a the proof, you can no longer be considered genuine when you deny this attachment prior to the rescue. Thank you very much.
You have failed to establish any valid criticism against this show.
The burden of proof is on the person making a claim, anon. You’re either too lazy or you know that providing an exact quote would destroy your argument in an instant. Which is why you refuse to argue like a normal person. You know your position is weak and you’re trying to pressure me into playing by your rules and finding my own arguments in favor of the relationship having any setup, which is not my job here.
>The burden of proof is on the person making a claim, anon
And I have provided the proof:
You are welcome.
Provide the timestamp then. Give me something to work with. Do you expect me to watch the scene of Mariner shoving people out of her way and treat that as romantic set up?
>Provide the timestamp then.
you time is up. you can no longer deny in good faith the pre-existing attachment.
you have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
You don’t get to decide when my time is up, unless you’re out of time yourself. You’ve failed to construct a solid argument.
>You don’t get to decide when my time is up,
But Everyone get to see you are acting in bad faith on this argument.
You have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
Thank you for recognising Mariner was attracted to Jennifer prior to her rescue.
>Everyone get to see you are acting in bad faith on this argument
Everyone got to see you being a lazy ass coward who’s afraid to provide examples himself and instead resorts to posting YouTube links and won’t even elaborate on the contents.
>Thank you for recognising Mariner was attracted to Jennifer prior to her rescue.
I didn’t say that.
>But what about attraction?
Too vague to make a solid case.
>Too vague to make a solid case.
Really? What other reasonable interpretations could there be there though? Because that was the only simulated sex scene that Mariner didn't react negatively too.
>What other reasonable interpretations could there be there though?
Naked women are nice to look at. She’s into Barnes. And so onz
>She’s into Barnes.
Don't try to argue as a fact that she is only into barnes and not in Jen.
I don’t have to, she literally says it in the first episode of the show. The only thing the scene illustrates that Mariner is into women.
>she literally says it in the first episode of the show.
And?
Still do'nt try to argue as a fact that her attraction is ONLY to Barnes and has nothing for Jennifer.
Because if that was the case there would be some kind of evidence.
That you recognised yourself. Thank you.
And when you claim that she was ONLY attracted to Barnes, YOU are the one who have to prove there was no attraction at all for Jennifer.
Can I just say that my one criticism about Marijen is that we didn't get enough of it because what I wanted is for Mariner to run into the fact that Jennifer comes from a culture where polyamory is the norm and have an episode where drop hints about who she wouldn't mind taking in as a third with Barnes being one that dazes her the most.
>Everyone got to see you being a lazy
I am not the one literally complaining for hour about a rescue scene yet refusing to watch a 3 minute long video.
>I didn’t say that.
You explicitly referenced the blue cheeks.
>Too vague to make a solid case.
A solid case of what?
>I am not the one literally complaining for hour about a rescue scene yet refusing to watch a 3 minute long video.
Anon, what do you expect me to take away from this video? That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek? Because it’s definitely great for that.
>You explicitly referenced the blue cheeks.
I said that the scene is not proof she has any kind of attachment to the blue dyke.
>That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek?
How do you take that from this video?
>I said that the scene is not proof
The mention of Blue Cheeks by Mariner is not in that scene.
>That’s it the most random and mishandled relationship in all of Star Trek?
We have Picard falling in love and breaking up with a woman in a single episode after they have played flute and Piano together and that woman is never seen before and never seen again.
Indeed. It’s a great and touching episode with a very believable relationship. Back from the days when writers cared about telling a story instead of just pushing gay shit.
thank you fro recognising there was nothing wrong with how Jennifer and Mariner were written and ended up in a relationship.
You’re so desperate for a gotcha. It’s sad.
I am not the one trying to argue to argue a relationship was badly written while providing zero evidence of it.
The characters have nothing in common. They don’t talk even while they’re supposedly in relationship. We never find what they see in each other. We’re just told they like each other for some reason.
If this is good writing to you, you’re a shill.
>The characters have nothing in common.
Subjective opinion
>They don’t talk even while they’re supposedly in relationship.
It's a main character dating a secondary character, many sitcom have similar dynamic, you fail to make a point. This isn't bad writing, this is pretty standard.
The writers never claimed it was a big and important relationship and it's only on you to believe it is so.
>We never find what they see in each other.
Well that's not entirely true as there is an episode from season 3 that shows that Jennifer like Mariner's wild card nature...but we later learn on there's a limit to what Jen will tolerate and how actually that quality about Jennifer ironically clashes entirely with marinee's character arc of season 3 of learning to curb her hotshot maverick ways
But while I can admit the exection of this idea was clunky and ultimately something the show decided to call quits on but instead of wishing it never happen I'm wishing they give Jennifer and Mariner another chance. Was Jen too harsh on Mariner? Yes. But Mariner is exactly the kind of person who would put her feet in her mouth and just keep talking, it's something even her mother easily believed. And while Jennifer may not have that kind of benefit of the doubt with Mariner like her mom does I still feel like we were left out of a cute couple with Jennifer and Mariner.
>girls hate each other
>girl saves the other girl
>girls suddenly want to fuck
If you ignore everything that was wrong with it, then sure nothing was wrong.
Is there something wrong with it?
suddenly want to fuck
>suddenly
you have already established yourself that there was attraction beforehand, anon. you fail to make a point.
You have failed to make a valid critic against this episode thus have no objective reason to complain about the show.
>you have already established yourself that there was attraction beforehand
No, I haven’t. It’s just you being separate again.
>No, I haven’t
you were given ample time to watch this video and didn't. your bad faith on this argument has been established.
Okay, call me bad faith if it makes you feel any better about your inadequate reasoning skills.
you have already recognised that Mariner had prior attachment to Jennifer, you fail to make a point.
What do you mean by attachment? They weren’t even friends prior to the S2 finale. I don’t think they ever were friends.
>What do you mean by attachment?
How many times are you gonna post that video? I asked you a question. I want you to answer in your own words.
>How many times are you gonna post that video?
Every time you ask that question, seeing it provide the answer for it.
>I want you to answer in your own words.
You do'nt get to make the rules, anon.
>seeing it provide the answer for it
Okay, what’s the answer? Describe it.
>You do'nt get to make the rules, anon.
I’m not making any rules. You want to argue with me, argue with me.
>Okay, what’s the answer?
>You want to argue with me, argue with me.
you are the one who asked for proof, anon.
Anon, there’s nothing in the video that indicates emotional attachment so I don’t know why you keep posting. It just makes your argument look silly.
>Anon, there’s nothing in the video that indicates emotional attachment
Ah, so arguing in bad faith, I see.
>who’s afraid to provide examples
You have been provided repeatedly. Now everyone can see you are lying.
>You’re either too lazy
Say the guy who won't watch a 3 minute long video.
Dude, it’s not my job to find proof for your own arguments.
>Dude, it’s not my job to find proof
good thing you didn't need to find it and it was provided to you, then.
NTA but putting a countdown on your ‘victory’ is pathetic tbh
Please consider the context:
Anon's complain there
is that it's a 3 minute long video. If he has the time to complain for 10 minutes about how he won't watch a 3 minute long video, he has the time to watch that 3 minute long video.
If he doesn't, it's reasonable to conclude he is not arguing in good faith.
>Of course it is. Good deeds aren’t rewarded with relationships, it’s an incel mindset to think so. But it’s suddenly okay if it’s two girls.
It should be impossible for a show’s fanbase to be made up entirely of militant queers but here we are.
>made up entirely of militant queers
and you’re wondering why it chose to pander to them
>fake fans
Real subtle, Paramount intern.
>fake outrage
Real subtle incel-kun
>incel
Ah, every corporate shill’s favorite insult. You couldn’t be more predictable. Insult the fans more, I’m sure it’ll be good for your business.
>doesn't deny being an incel
>just gets upset someone pointed it out
There’s no use in denying something when the other person already made their mind. It just detracts from the argument.
I bet you fish for that trip.
In any case I fundamentally don't like your posts.
huh weird but fun idea, I'll check it out.
>incel
>lgbt is here to replace you
>people are tired of heteroshit
holy shit this is an actual leftypol raid lmaoooo
*ahem*
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
Are all these people defending lesbian shit ITT lesbian trans women? It sure feels so.
>lesbian trans women
>another one for the list of shows that can never discussed on /toon/
Way to go, autists. How does it feel to be among the likes of Twelve Forever, WITCH and Kevin Spencer?
Maybe millennial writers should stop writing politically divisive shit on purpose despite every fiber of their being telling them otherwise
Maybe you should stop being triggered by it
Triggered? Fatigued. All cartoons have lesbians now and people are beginning to get tired of it.
Personally I can’t wait for the time companies finally stop pandering to the Twitter pronoun crowd because they’ll realize it’s losing the money.
>>>/misc/
>/misc/
More like
or
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Why can’t you be normal? Why does everything written by millennials has to “own” someone or be rage bait?
Back to >>>/misc/ with you
Lower Decks belongs there with the rest of you nerds
>politically divisive shit
Having gay characters is not divisive. Nor is trans characters. Majority of the country is fine with gay people. You are just a triggered bigot obsessed fighting culture wars on the most stupid shit possible.
>he still doesn’t understand that this is not about gay people
>he
My pronouns are she/they.
>>>/misc/
>Having gay characters is not divisive. Nor is trans characters.
Actually, for the vast majority of the population of this planet, it is.
You’re just too provincial and insulated to realize it.
California thinks the world revolves around it. That’s why they keep putting black people in fantasy and medieval Europe settings.
The silent majority is not a thing, it's a Republican rhetoric that tries to placate bigots that everyone else thinks like them so voting to imposing 2nd class citizenship on black and gay people is morally ok.
Nah, people are just tired of you fags bending culture and society to your will. That failed Hogwarts Legacy boycott taught you nothing.
Show me a person on the streets who actually agrees with you and I'll show you that it still doesn't matter because your solution to never show queer people in fiction is ridiculous and has no value in of itself.
You’ll be in for a rude awakening next year.
Oh is that a threat or something? Like you're implying you know something that's gonna come down the bend that will make me regret not being a bigot?
You still having your day of rope fantasies anon?
Yeah, you're totally gonna elect Clone Hitler next year and then you'll show us. God, you're pathetic.
Just like in 2020 there was meant to be a huge red wave due to all the anti-trans fearmongering the right was concentrating on and instead you got a tiny puddle at best?
Your supposition that any focus on gay people is bad writing has no rational argument for it, you can only vaguely imply that more bigots exist and therefore have an entitlement to never see gay people least they spend all their mental energy whining about it.
see
>you can only vaguely imply that more bigots exist and therefore have an entitlement to never see gay people least they spend all their mental energy whining about it.
Like I said...
>bad writing bad
>bad writing but gay good
You can attack bad writing without being a bigot.
The argument is that you can get away with bad writing as long as it’s gay. If that’s bigoted to you, grow some balls.
>bad writing happens everywhere all the time
>but when bad gay writing happens, I have to blogpost and spam every single thread about it because... BECAUSE I JUST DO, OKAY?
But Hogwarts Legacy has a trans character in it?
It does so it makes you wonder why bother pandering to those people if they vilified the game anyway.
Tell me you’ve never travelled outside of California without telling me. Try visiting Asia, the Middle East or Africa dressed up as a women and see how that goes for you.
Or are they just backwards brown people and your western colonialist culture and values superior to theirs?
>Tell me you’ve never travelled outside of California without telling me
I don't live in California but also what trying to say that I should respect you for being a more "civil" bigot is jist highly illogical as the statement is an implicit threat suggesting that you can essily become a violent bigot if you so choose.
The vast majority of heteronormative concepts in the global South were imported by Europeans.
Pre European contact, Africa had man-wives and woman queens, the mid east had like seven genders and the Pacific ocean and South Asian were full of gender non conforming genders such as Faʻafafine and kinnar.
lower decks if he real
I miss the days when cartoons were just cartoons and not political statements, bros.
I miss s1 and s2 threads They were so comfy
McMahon ruined everything
Either this is a shill thread or this place has turned into Reddit.
>yuricuck
it's Jilcoschizo doing his usual samefagging spamming rant about lesbians even when people don't talk about them.
he is on a constant crusade to poison every thread with overt bad faith just to kill every legitimate discussion.
>it's Jilcoschizo doing his usual samefagging spamming rant about lesbians even when people don't talk about them
What a chad
I guess there’s only one person on this whole ass board who’s tired of lesbians. Let’s pack it up, boys. We lost. Trump lost. It’s over.
>They want you to make the inference so they can just write you as a yurifag with heavy shipping goggles.
Looks like that assessment would be correct.
So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene. Very well, thank you for your time. We’re done here then.
>So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene
He is not the person you were arguing with anon. I was. And here is your confirmation that there is:
You are welcome.
>So you do admit that there is no outright confirmation of attraction in the show prior to the rescue scene
No I don't actually because I have a hard interpreting Mariner's reaction as anything but sexual interest in seeing a naked Jen making out with a naked Barnes.
Mariner shows attraction for many people across the show. This scene makes a valid argument for Maribarnes, consider that Mariner called her hot back in the pilot. It’s not proof of her having any attachment to blue buttcheeks.
>Mariner shows attraction for many people across the show
Agreed.
>It’s not proof of her having any attachment to blue buttcheeks.
But what about attraction?
The scene implies that Mariner has the hots for Barnes and is afraid of her nemesis stealing her from her.
Does it?
Enough about Mariner, how's Boimler?
I can't wait to see Tendi and Rutherford!
No one would put this much energy into defending this if it wasn’t gay. More proof of lesbian exceptionalism.
I personally defend it mostly because I like certain aspects of it.
I really like Boimler's small progress into a more assertive leader and Mariner to stop being so auto destructive. I am what you'll probably claim to be a self inserter because I want Boimler and Mariner to date (but I wouldn't be mad if it doesn't happen), find many characters cute also T'ylin will hopefully fully integrate because it feels like they're almost done with Tendi's progress.
The show also has plenty of bad things like hit or miss humor, mediocre first few episodes, a bad tendency to return to status quo and inconsistent character progression.
But overall I really like the show and will defend it from what I perceive as annoying cultural war bullshit with baseless takes and conspiracies
>No one would put this much energy into defending this
so, it's our first day on the internet?
You are the one complaining about a video being 3 minute long while arguing for hours about a fictional relationship that was never meant to be considered important in the first place.
>that was never meant to be considered important
One could argue what’s the point in wasting things on unimportant things in a show that gets 10 episodes per year. Of course we know it was important because it was the show’s attempt to capitalize on queer publicity.
>One could argue what’s the point in wasting things on unimportant things
Character being seen dating is as valid as characters being seen eating and discussing. It's part of the social life on the ship.
>Of course we know it was important because it was the show’s attempt to capitalize on queer publicity.
Everything in Season 3 contradict that statement. It's just portrayed as a normal relationship.
you have failed to establish any valid critic. You have no objective reason to complain about the show.
>It's just portrayed as a normal relationship
I’m curious what what you would consider an abnormal relationship. All queer relationships are portrayed as normal in media, that’s the point.
>I’m curious what what you would consider an abnormal relationship
I didn't meant that anormal was the opposite of it, I meant in contrast to a relationship that is more central to the plot or the character development.
A more central, important to the plot relationship, given more importance be the show, would be one like Rachel and Ross, or William Riker and Troi, Or Keiko and O'Brian.
A more normal, non-important relationship would be Bashir dating Leeta, the Dabo girl, or woever Joe is dating for this week episode. Mariner dating Jen belong to this category.
The lesbian relationship was not played off as unimportant. Jen was not the love interest of the week. It was a continuing season arc and it shall be judged accordingly.
>The lesbian relationship was not played off as unimportant
Yes it was. At most it's a stept for Mariner as it indicate she is ready to let more people enter her life.
>Jen was not the love interest of the week
She is tha character a main cast date for a few episode before moving on, like Bashir with Leeta.
>It was a continuing season arc
It wasn't an arc, it was just a part of Mariner's social life.
>And it shall be judged accordingly.
Then judge it like Bashir and Leeta.
You know what I'm tired of people being mad at the show for dumb and wrong reasons.
I'm mad because they don't know what to do with Tendi because her main flaw is naivete that in my main is mainly over, lack of confidence and clumsiness but like she's the one with the best chances to getting a promotion out of the Cerritos now and it feels like she's earned it.
I know plenty of us like her but does anyone else feel this way? It could give more room for T'ylin.
Also I'm not feeling the section 31 plotline.
Finally I just realized this, and the far better show prodigy, will be affected by the writers strike so that's sad.
Looking at this thread, the lesbian shit is the worst thing that could have happened to this show
Millennials are incapable of writing things that aren’t divisive on purpose. It’s the name of the game. They put divisive shit in their shows and watch nerds cannibalize each other.
I was not against it but you're right people make this threads much worse
>Millennials are incapable of writing things that aren’t divisive on purpose.
There was nothing divisive about . the people who complain about it are unable to provide a coherent critic.
Don't blame something on a show for something only the fandom is responsible for.
>nothing divisive about
It managed to piss off three separate demographics:
1. People who like Star Trek but aren’t big on woke shit.
2. People who ship Mariner and that purple fag.
3. People who like lesbians but were expecting more.
I’ll give this one a light 9/10 in terms of divisiveness.
>2. People who ship Mariner and that purple fag
Boims ain’t gay
>1. People who like Star Trek but aren’t big on woke shit.
A bunch of self-contradicting moron isn't a significant demographic.
>2. People who ship Mariner and that purple fag.
Most people knew it was not a significant relationship.
>3. People who like lesbians but were expecting more.
Almost no one complained when they broke up.
It's just a noisy minority being shown again and again that they are factually wrong.
Whats even woke about the show besides a few characters being gay? Seriously im asking because im on the fence of watching this and a few characters carpet munching doesnt bother me
Men get kicked in the balls and it’s looked at as a good thing.
I believe nothing else
Woke doesn't have any real meaning. Some people call a show "woke" for just having a black guy dating a white girl.
>besides a few characters being gay
That's all of it, really.
Yeah it's kinda how conservatives find "what's the definition of woman" as a gotcha.
Well we fill the same with how when we ask the same for woke.
Both of them don't really have one other than a vibe and I'm perfectly fine admitting that because I somewhat care about a small group of people feeling better and I agree with the vibe definition which is to say there's cases when someone is not a woman because it's just a person not understanding being trans like Chris Chan or Ezra Miller in the case of being non binary (he's told his friends he really doesn't care for it privately) "live and let live" type stuff also before you mention it there are bad people in the LGBT community but the spirit of it is still something I think it's good. A lot of people defend out flawed groups like cops because they believe their spirit or vibe is good difference is that we should be able to quickly make cops better and anti legislation against LGBT people and other conservative stuff is what I consider to be bad. The way I see it cops should not get so many guns and should be restructure to have higher standards and training also media sensationalizes what inability happens (a bad cop) but there seems to be evidence that there's problems to be fixed regardless of that.
A female Starfleet captain assaults a male commander who started hitting on her. It was stunning and brave.
Black lesbian constantly dunks on a white dude.
Just watch Prodigy instead. It’s overlooked but it’s so much better. And you won’t have to worry about any woke in it aside from a non-binary gas alien.
I fucking despise the character designs in this, no thank you
But soulless CalArts stick figures with bug eyes don’t bother you?
At least i can fap to plaentina and tendi, anon
No taste
Gwyn is fucking hot. In Top 10 Trek girls, easily.
Your loss
First good post ITT
Forget about Lesbian Trek for a minute, when is S2 of this coming out?
Not soon enough + writers strike:(
Isn’t Prodigy covered by the Animation Guild? And aren’t only the Hagemans under a WGA contract? Besides, S2 is already written.
We need to get a comfy thread for this sometime. Lower Decks discussion is too tiresome.
Janeway is to out of character, the Kids are still alive at the end.
Barely.
Man they really are Prodigy's if they survive Janeway.
It's not totally woke Mariner is way over the top to the point that makes her annoying and some Pro GURL POWAAH but not much some times Secondary stories with in the Episode are way better then Main character plot. So its a solid 7/10 but resent season was pretty good.
I'm not pissed off though even though I do fall under 2&3.
>I do fall under 2&3.
It's true, most people both ship the gay ship and the Mariner/Boimler ship.
I just have an intense desire to see Mariner getting kissed and cuddled by cute people.
Is lower decks worth watching? Ive masturbated to the green slave girl before
Yes! But only if you like generic animation, unfunny jokes, memberberries, and cartoon lesbians.
NNNOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THE COMEDY IN THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OKAY?
it was actually funny
If you like trek shows and more specifically Next Gen, yes. This anon there
is a moron.
It only appeals to two demographics:
1. Trek nerds who like references to obscure lore
2. Twitter pronoun crowd who watch it for queer rep
I likes the first two seasons
One thing I found great in the writing is that it does sitcom comedy hijinks but keeps the utopian ideals of Star Trek. There are sections where in other stories there would be a misunderstanding for forced conflict but they just ...talk things out. It's refreshing. It shows you can do comedy without needing to have a bunch of characters be assholes (not saying there is anything wrong with Sunny In Philly style humor but it's refreshing to see the reverse)
Every character has there personality flaws but almost everyone is a genuinely good person who keeps the best interests of others in mind.
That depends do you have a massive stick up your ass?
Do you like the movie Galaxy Quest?
If you answered no to the first and yes to the second you may like it.
Don’t insult Galaxy Quest like that
It wasn't an insult, both are satirical takes on star trek the only difference being that lower decks is actually set within the star trek franchise.
The only complaint I keep hearing people give about Lower decks is based in this weird idea that star trek can't be a comedy and HAS to be 100% serious at all times which is ridiculous.
Trek always had comedic elements.
Exactly
I hope Tendi's and Rutherford's make up is good. I'll hate if they treat them badly here.
>IRL Mariner will never be your GF
Sad.
Paramount stock is down 10% since this got unveiled lol
Should have invested in the rising incel market myself. Could have made a killing in self-help books telling people about basic hygiene: Your toothbrush and you, why you do need the soap, deodorant is your friend. Money on the table.
Guess you’re just a shitty investor.
At least Prodigy is still good
It’s unfair that the Rick and Morty cartoon is getting all the attention because PRO is a freaking gem.
It helps that the writers aren’t spiteful retards.
it deserves a live action episode
I would cum buckets if they made Gwyn real.
They wanted the Ahsoka audience…
>see lower decks thread
Neat hopefully they have a release d-
>MFW thread
Release date? Hopefully never.
What a pathetic thread. Stay on /misc/ next time, gays.