Chuck Austen's X-Men is really not that bad. It's fun, has some interesting ideas (good guy Juggernaut, Northstar) and the art is great. What other infamous runs deserve reappraisal?
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Chuck Austen’s comics:
Husk: “Mutants can’t get AiDS.”
Fandom: WTF!
Jubilee: Skin, as well as others, somehow through all our security and hundreds of people living at the x-mansion, missed evil people putting their dead bodies on crosses right in our front lawn.
Fandom: That doesn’t make any fricking sense.
Jubilee: Damn I wish I had fricked Skin while he was alive. So I’ll give his wrong name here at his funeral.
Fandom: WTF.
>Jubilee: Damn I wish I had fricked Skin while he was alive. So I’ll give his wrong name here at his funeral.
Reminds me of how Jenkins had Rogue reveal she had sex with Sentry at his funeral
Especially since Rogue could only have been 17 at the time he indicated when she had sex with Sentry.
It would be better if she was 13. Isn't Sentry like a fricked up Marvel character? They should embrace it all
That would mean Sentry did her when she was villainous under Mystique and Destiny.
Why would he do that?
To teach her a lesson?
He's the guy who does fricked up things that have the dark side that is currently real and he's also the blond ubermensch something
When?
Sentry: Fallen Sun
It is an actual SoP tier comic and it also has that one awful moment with Ben and the Wrecking Crew
Bendis dialogue is the absolute worst
Wasn't all that remembered past with Sentry some kind of shenanigans and none of it actually happened?
The Xorneto retcon was unforgivably stupid
jesus christ, I forgot how trash this all was.
Say what you want about the ending, but Grant's New X Men was paradigm shifting. I appreciate that era where Grant was on NXM, Joe Casey was on Uncanny and Claremont launched Xtreme (plus Kordey on Cable, Simone/Udon on Deadpool, Allread/Milligan on X-Force, Tieri's Weapon X, Winnick's Exiles, the Tsunami line of Mystique, Sentinel & Runaways + Ultimate Xmen). It felt like Quesada et al were at least *trying* new things.
But Austen was just the cheapest example of Jemas' "shock value" strategy. And after Grant left, the X-line really struggled with regressing. Whedon's Astonishing X-Men was a very "Bendis Avengers" book in hindsight and the X line didn't find interesting hooks again until Carey's "X-Men --> X-Men Legacy" and the Yost "X-Force"
that being said, Juggernaut was the one bright spot of Austen's run. He found a sweet spot with that character
>Whedon's Astonishing X-Men was a very "Bendis Avengers" book in hindsight
Whedon's Astonishing is easily one of the most overrated Marvel runs of the 2000s
it's a fine standalone trade paperback carried by Cassaday's art, but Whedon/Bendis influence was a huge blight on Marvel
Idk, i really dont like grant's x-men run at all. Astonishing felt more like it was actually trying to justify stuff with character rather than a midling understanding of other adaptation.
This tbp was the first xmen comic I read because a friend at the time owned, I went on assuming Mammomax was important afterwards.
X-Men Blue. While it’s definitely not great, it’s pretty good, Emma being a villain again was good, and Miss Sinister’s inclusion was nice. It’s probably my favourite story with the Time displaced O5.
Nick Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man, while not exactly maligned, feels it gets an undeserved reputation. He was the only guy in over a decade in the main title who truly seemed to respect Spider-Man and history. Before his run started he said he read every single issue of Spider-Man in preparation and it shows.
Kindred still sucks, but i blame that and other problems on editorial.
It was mostly loved, at the end some pepople were more critical but wells helped its reputation.
This. I always found it at best mediocre. Never got the hype and that kindred shit went on for far FAR too long.
Aside from standard internet comtrarianism I think people just got burned by how badly they fumbled the conclusion to his run and have focused too heavy on that over the entire run. I reread it all before Sinister War dropped and while not perfect it was certainly the best Spidey run in years and yes it showed that he actually genuinely gives a frick about the character and the universe which is more than can be said about the rest of Marvel
>Kindred still sucks, but i blame that and other problems on editorial.
I don't know, his Captain America run also had issues with drawn-out plots that ended in nonsensical ways that seemed to be pulled out of nowhere at the last minute. It can't always be editorial, some of these guys just can't resolve a story well to save their lives. His ASM run in particular is largely that one mystery box saga, so that ending as badly as it did taints the whole run.
Are you serious? If anything, the "good" X-Men runs should be reappraised, because most of those are bad too.
Get out of here Polarisfan.
What?
Honestly the only good thing for Austen's run is Juggernaut. Also the anime looking art. Forgot who that artist was.
For me I think everything Winick wrote deserves a second chance. Nowadays only his Red Hood story is remembered because it's used to make another WHY DOESN'T BATMAN KILL THE JOKER threads. Winick is the most 2000s writer and there's some comfort in that kind of edginess.
Larroca’s name is literally right there on the cover.
It's not Larocca I'm talking about. He doesn't have that style and he's not the only artist for that run.
Winnick's Outsiders has aged better than Johns' Teen Titans
Why? What’s wrong with Johns’s Teen Titans?
>Winick
I keep forgetting about him.
Outsiders and Exiles were certified kino and it sucks he basically hasn't done anything in years
>Chuck Austen's X-Men is really not that bad.
Here we see the focused totality of Cinemaphile's contrarianism.
Austen is a better writer than every single writer from the Krakoan age combined.
Between his X-Men run, that Superman story he got booted from where the villain was being worshiped by rednecks and fricking women to death, and Worldwatch, him writing during the sex cult era of X-Men would be an amusing disaster. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he did write something for it because he tends to randomly pop up every once in a while.
>he tends to randomly pop up every once in a while
He hasn't done comics in years and is mostly in the animation industry now.
He recently did a space story as an Amazon comixology or whatever it was called before it shut down original that wasn't bad at all