Marvel Studios took a C-tier superhero in Iron-Man and made him the posterboy of the massively successful MCU. What unused hero can they debut and build around to fill a similar role?
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There really isn't anybody left.
Tony was just the best choice because they could shift around his major redemption stories to pre-Iron Man timing.
There are a ton of heroes left they can use:
Nova, Mr. Fantastic, Sentry etc. The real problem is finding the right actor that can be a big draw and really play the character really well.
Firestorm if done right.
I think they might have a hit already with Blue Beetle though. Public at large aren’t familiar with Jaime or even Ted Kord.
HE WAS B-TIER
If Iron Man was B-tier, who was considered A-tier prior to the MCU? Besides Spider-man
Fantastic Four
>Fantastic Four
They already tried twice and it didn't work. The central problem is that the primary idea behind fantasic four (a family) is hokey and isn't edgey enough for anything other than a comedy but none of their story lines are comedic.
Yet The Incredibles movies are successful. FF will be fine in the MCU.
>incredibles is fantastic four movie
Is there a bigger brainlet take than this?
Nothing more brainlet than accusing people of something without elaborating. All that "this is hokey shit" feels silly. People said stuff that Guardians of the Galaxy was too silly and that worked.
The X-Men, Fantastic Four and Spider-Man were Marvel's big heavy hitters before the MCU blew up. Arguably the Hulk as well.
Nah, solidly B-tier. He hadn't been successful for years but generally people knew him from a combination of presence on toy packaging, his '90s cartoon and Marvel vs Capcom.
Arguably the Hulk?!? He's Marvels #2 most known hero for anyone old enough to post here
The X-Men
Hulk
Fantastic 4
All of those have pre-existing movies that the MCU couldn't have made good on.
Now that they have it, I think it's probably really important to them that they nail F4.
In the 90s it was Spider-Man and X-Men. They were the top selling series.
Iron Man, Avengers, Hulk etc were all B-list. They still got cartoons or toys, just less series.
>Marvel Studios took a C-tier superhero
Was Iron Man really C tier? Or is that what people want to believe?
He was more of a D-tier.
Got bumped up to C because of Civil War.
That's probably why the argument for B-tier is happening, they were doing some interesting things with him in comics before the movie came out. Extremis, becoming US secretary of defense, Illuminati, director of SHIELD, Civil War, all in a few short years before the movie came out he was having some of the most interesting arcs of his existence just before he was a household name.
>He was more of a D-tier.
He had a consistently selling comic ongoing, that outsold some of the characters and teams people think are B or A list. He had a cartoon series in the 90s. Force Works rework too.
He wasn't D or C list.
A lot of people in this thread claiming FF were up there when they had slipped for many years.
>A lot of people in this thread claiming FF were up there when they had slipped for many years
Growing up in the 90s it really was just Spidey, the X-Men, and The Rest. You knew who the other characters were but no one really gave a shit about them.
>BBBBBUT IRON MAN ALSO HAD A CARTOON
That no one cared about and was an embarrassing failure like the FF cartoon it was packaged with. Marvel TRIED to push Iron Man, the FF, or the other Avengers, but no one cared. Only Spidey or X-Men stuff succeeded because everything else was such shit in the 90s.
Fantastic Four had two cartoons and two movies, plus cameos in Spider-Man, action figures, and an ongoing. They were still pretty A-Tier for Marvel standards back then.
I find your post weird because you're acting like I don't know that?
>Growing up in the 90s it really was just Spidey, the X-Men, and The Rest.
I mean I am older than you and yeah I agree. But that doesn't make Iron Man a C or D lister. He was a consistent seller compared to some other characters who also got cartoons.
>That no one cared about and was an embarrassing failure like the FF cartoon it was packaged with.
It had a major comic synergy too and they did revamp it for the second series a lot like the other cartoons. The issues with it were far more production problems than anything else. They really suffered from that.
That isn't even true. FF were no longer A-tier in Marvel for a long time. And Hulk has always had ups and downs. She-Hulk as B tier? Really? How many comic series did she get..
>>That isn't even true. FF were no longer A-tier in Marvel for a long time. And Hulk has always had ups and downs. She-Hulk as B tier? Really? How many comic series did she get..
I'm talking in terms of average general zeitgeist knowledge and popularity, dipshit, not brief time windows.
Also She-Hulk was fairly consistently popular.
>I'm talking in terms of average general zeitgeist knowledge and popularity, dipshit, not brief time windows.
Yes and you're making bad generalisations based on your own bullshit.
>not brief time windows
This is super moronic, you literally say "Pre-MCU". So what, you're generalising the characters right from the fricking start, over fricking decades? That doesn't make any sense because characters do move up and down tiers. There is no generalised list for the whole history of Marvel. Trying to do that makes you stupid.
So we have to look at windows. Pre-MCU the A-list were obviously Spider-Man and X-Men, no doubt about it.
In terms of general public awareness, no they dont really change much unless theres a megahit, you imbecile.
Why is Hulk popular? Because of the TV show. Why does anyone know who Blade is? The movie. Etc. Generally speaking, theres two periods of Marvel in terms of public awareness and popularity tiering: Pre and Post MCU.
Pre-MCU, that list is accurate, yes it would shift HERE AND THERE slightly, but as a general overview of how Marvel faired in terms of the public eye, that is how it was.
Yes, if you go back to the 60s, X-Men were not A-List, but in terms of Marvel Pre-MCU, it was, on average, an A-List property.
>In terms of general public awareness, no they dont really change much
Now you're amazingly moronic. Stuff changes. What was popular changes. Sales literally reflect this. Properties and adaptations reflect this.
>unless theres a megahit
So now you're basically agreeing with exactly what I am saying that things change.
>Yes, if you go back to the 60s, X-Men were not A-List, but in terms of Marvel Pre-MCU, it was, on average, an A-List property.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. Jesus Christ you are beyond moronic.
>but in terms of Marvel Pre-MCU
Two fricking seconds ago you said:
>not brief time windows
And now you're offering time windows. Which is exactly what I was arguing. You're all over the place.
You got mad at me and said your list was universal and now you're back agreeing with me that things change. Ridiculous. This is why I am saying that to answer the question you have to answer it in terms of time windows. And that your window is wrong and your list is wrong with some characters.
You seem to have a flimsy grasp on the english language and poor reading comprehension, i take it you're ESL.
Yeah, fall back on ad hominems. Your general average doesn't answer the question. When someone goes, right before x, what did people think of y, you don't create a general list over decades but ask what people thought of things right before it. You accuse me of having poor reading comprehension when you don't even get what pre-MCU means.
I didnt say "right before X", i said "thats sort of how it was Pre-X" and then clarified as a rough average.
You are ESL, you are moronic, seethe, cope, and learn english.
>I didnt say "right before X"
I never said YOU said that, you idiot. I meant the whole concept of "pre-MCU". And you're accusing me of being ESL?
Pre-MCU doesn't mean you say "well for decades it was like this on average". It means, before the MCU, which characters were in which position. To answer such a question you don't go, "Their general public awareness on average over decades," you fricking moron. You know why? Because characters having a boost decades ago doesn't mean the current generational awareness is the exact same. It has changed. What is what tier before the MCU and even now has changed.
Cope Seethe, Take your meds, ESL, seethe seethe cope incel.
So mad about a tier list he resorts to this. Pathetic.
>Seething copium
He got a cartoon for the same reason he got a movie, they had the rights and wanted to sell toys. There is a reason they were able to change literally everything about Iron-Man in that cartoon without people noticing
You have to go for someone who you can totally reinvent and most comic fans won't care.
So, just about every hero introduces for The Initiative or Avengers Academy.
Superheroes who had cartoons and toy lines were not C-tier zoomer homosexual
He was never c tier. He had his own comic run for decades. Yeash. He was a or b tier at worst.
Iron man was roughly the same as green lantern or aquaman
This. I never got why people thought he was some unheard of superhero. Dude got a cartoon in the 90's, that's more than most of them get.
>I never got why people thought he was some unheard of superhero.
No one's saying he was unknown, it's just weird that he's the big breakout star if you were reading comics before then. Like if you told someone in 1998 that in 10 years Iron Man would be the foundation of a multibillion dollar movie empire people would have thought you were insane.
Best take in this thread, this is pretty accurate.
A Tier
>Spider-Man
>Wolverine
>The X-Men
>The Fantastic Four
>The Hulk
B Tier
>Iron Man
>Captain America
>Doctor Strange
>Ghost Rider
>Daredevil
>The Punisher
>She-Hulk
C Tier
>The Avengers
>Luke Cage
>Iron Fist
>Blade
>Nova
>Captain Marvel
>Ms Marvel
D Tier and Below
>Moon Knight
>Werewolf By Night
>Man Thing
>Shang Chi
>Spider-Woman
Etc.
Thats sort of how it was, Pre-MCU.
I think the tiers are a little more complex than that.
For example, The Hulk is very recognizable. Everybody knows he's the nerdy guy who turns into a green giant when he's angry. But did most normies know much about him beyond that? Everybody knows who he is, but it didn't seem like people knew as much about him as they did Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman. Could most normies even tell you his origin, the name of his love interest, or name any of his villains?
Then you have the X-Men. One of the most popular properties ever. Topped the comics sales in the '90s, and had a successful film series. But, for most normies, the X-Men is Wolverine, Cyclops, Professor X… and some other guys. They of course know Magneto, as well. But how many people out of 100 are going to know what you're talking about if you ask them who Iceman or Gambit or Jubilee are?
>But, for most normies, the X-Men is Wolverine, Cyclops, Professor X… and some other guys.
Are you moronic? Halle Storm and Mystique are both far better known than Blandclops. Colossus has a lot of exposure thanks to Deadpool, and Beast has been in a bunch of movies and is visually memorable.
Cyclops....seriously you must be a fanboy of his or something.
I dunno, Sleepwalker I guess? At this you really have to dig deep for some legitimate C and D listers.
Iron Man has never been a C-lister. He's a B-lister, maybe even B+. What they did with the Guardians was far more impressive since they're F-listers.
Really?
The guardians were f-listers?
How?
>Marvel Studios took a C-tier superhero in Iron-Man and made him the posterboy of the massively successful MCU.
>What unused hero can they debut and build around to fill a similar role?
Star Brand.
Why don't they just revive the Ultraverse heroes and integrate them into the MCU?
Nightcrawler, like spiderman sort of villain/fabulous fighting. Has a sword, can't teleport much or too often so he has to travel light.
Captain Britain
Outside of Spider-Man stuff, what is even off the table for Marvel at this point? Stuff like Eternals got a movie while Moon Knight headlines his own show. At this point they can make the Totally Awesome Slapstick the face of the MCU and no one would bat an eye.
>what is even off the table for Marvel at this point?
The Punisher and other gun-happy vigilantes.
For Society reasons. They might dip into it for one movie with Deadpool, or Deadpool might just stick with swords.
Punisher already got a live action TV show and it is connected to the MCU.
Booster's whole arc of learning to be a real hero instead of just grandstanding is prime story material, and there are a ton of directions you could take it in.
If they’re starting to branch out with new groups like the Thunderbolts…
Will we ever get too see the Maker in the MCU in our lifetime?
Bonus points for a The Maker vs Superior Tony battle
Not C-Tier but this is the guy