Maxwell Atoms exposes the industry

They only want reboots and are biased towards celebrity and live-action writers

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the question he answered

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think Maxwell Atoms is very talented but he is so fricking whiny and self righteous

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think is less being whinny and petty and more like he has nothing to loose, is so down the gutter he owns nothing to the people on top. What are they gonna do? not hire him harder?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?si=Uj7D2Q6YhHmQvldJ

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is there really so much IP shows out there? in animation?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    weird rant against elon at the end of this. he's not in charge of these entertainment companies spamming IPs. This is just the natural end product of copyright law. Why make new things if you own old popular thing basically forever? Just remix that, take advantage of its fans forever. This is what the audience wants. the same old bullshit forever. It makes money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He already stated that he didn't want to be attached to sex pests, and would've rather worked on IPs that meant something to him.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was Ren and Stimpy, wasn't it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If the live-action writer story checks out, then yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ren & Stimpy and Grim Adventures are really close in tone, I'd say Ren & Stimpy was a lot darker than Grim Adventures oddly enough

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ren fantasized about snapping Stimpy's neck, nothing will top it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If the live-action writer story checks out, then yes.

          Ren & Stimpy and Grim Adventures are really close in tone, I'd say Ren & Stimpy was a lot darker than Grim Adventures oddly enough

          He said the shows were cancelled after a few seasons so maybe, he's not talking about Ren & Stimpy
          Animaniacs maybe? but I don't think any "sex pest" was involved on that show

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What if he added that last bit for plausible deniability if Viacom calls hi,?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anybody willing to ask him to name and shame?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think he meant all 3 projects ended up canned before seeing the light of day.

            ...don't tell me he was offered Coyote v. Acme

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Coyote v. Acme wasn't one of the projects.
              Rick and Morty: The Anime however was one of the projects.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Elon rant
      Thats just his “cherry“ on top. Like he cant do what he loves and even cant express his opinions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >even cant express his opinions.
        He hasn't seen a pixel of twitter if he thinks he can't blame "techbros" there.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In that case, maybe it's better that he can't "express his opinions" anymore. The one thing everyone wants these days is a politically charged cartoon for children.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elon? Or Bezos? Bezos owns studios, Elon doesn't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elon? I didn't get that. I was thinking more like Davos types who hold World Economic Forum meetings type of shit. Like Bill Gates who tell poor people to stop having babies or that Bond villain telling people to eat bugs, live in pods, own nothing and be happy. They're the ones that like pushing all sorts of strange messages in media.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >weird rant against elon at the end of this. he's not in charge of these entertainment companies spamming IPs
      its the walmart effect anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People are correctly pointing out it's Bezos, but tech bros also bought up and destroyed most of our online media too, either directly or with really destructive SEO algorithms.

      Remember Cracked? Remember Cracked being funny? I'm pretty sure all of those funny writers got paid off as Google switched to promoting their vertically integrated YouTube content, and as Facebook lied about how many viewers their videos got. Sites like that switched to outrage bait and spammy videos, then either died or transformed into pointless butthole central. I mean Trump and numerous other demogogues probably rose to power thanks to these systems because they helped promote them, and we're still dealing with the harm these systems did and still do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I meant to type LAID off. I don't know what happened to my favorite Cracked writers, but they quit writing for Cracked, and then I quit reading Cracked.

        It's not a coincidence the whole internet suddenly became interested in being genuinely outraged all the time all at once in basically one year. Techbros made money off it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I meant to type LAID off
          I was about to say. Pretty sure most of them were fired, or simply up and left, like Seanbaby, who saw how shitty Cracked was becoming and went back to making his own website. I remember seeing one former Cracked writer in the credits of American Dad, though I don't recall which episode, so that was cool.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope they all found work because they were genuinely funny and thoughtful people that made the internet both fun and educational. This stuff we get today is just nowhere near as good as the media we used to get when it wasn't all locked up by incestuous machine analysis.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't say Trump was caused by Facebook any more than Obama was, and with the latter it's quite a bit more obvious. Rather, Trump's rise has much more to do with the toxicity of the corporate news industry, which was still running fairly well up until about 2018 when it collapsed, and Fox died in 2021.

        I don't really see why people go to any social media site for anything but debates anymore. It's all just blogs without the ability to pick what you want to put and with little value for advertisers because they're getting screwed by the fraud farms and algorithms straight up lying about where their ads are. The only thing that can survive from web 2 is forums.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The rise of outrage media began in roughly 2014 and carried forward for years. It helps create inane information bubbles where you see endless reels of reinforcement for stupid beliefs.

          I've eating as a cure for COVID, for example, was a trchnbro-driven thing. SEO promoted and perpetuated it. Doctors weren't suggesting it. Politicians didn't know to promote it at first. They had to create a social media loop for it first.

          Trump fed into the outrage system that began in 2014. He's part of a social media loop. Nobody took him seriously before.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Netflix is also famous for its "We didn't advertise your show, but we did use a techbro algorithm to determine that your show should be abandonded" approach to production. I've definitely seen frustrated rants about it.

            I suppose the big silver lining here is that it has made ordinary people more aware of the problems with algorithmic determinism than they would have been before. It also means that for now the specter of the unprofitable insane business that must operate as a monopoly or die has been turned away, and San Francisco can develop into a normal city.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cracked was a travesty to me, they had the right balance of humor layered over fun trivial knowledge before devolving into marxist filth

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't believe cracked could have turned from comedic nonsense to all sjw bullshit. Just checked cracked.com and it doesn't look anything like that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was 24/7 SJW outrage bait when that content was being heavily promoted by SEO. That anon's a partisan whacko, obviously, but Cracked went in for the culture wars for a while, and it wasn't a funny website for doing it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is the right really from as far back as 2014?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why talk about Cracked?
        It's happened *here*.
        We used to be able to have conversations about media now fricking everything is culture wars because /misc/ is what drives up engagement and gets the owners paid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, I agree, 100%.

          But my theory on why Cinemaphile is terrible is that I think sites like Cinemaphile aren't offered much else to talk about. Like I've seen someone post an original animation, and it'll be pretty good, but it's got 3k views on Youtube and nobody else knows what it is, so discussion is zero. It's hard to talk about stuff nobody has heard of, especially when so much media now is just awful, pointless spam. I mean they ENCOURAGE people to make as much as they can as fast as they can, so almost all of it is low quality.

          So instead of hearing about anything new or worthwhile, people go, "Hey, remember Korra?"

          And we can argue about Korra, or whatever the most current outrage loop is right now. Problem is, I've said all I wanted to say about Korra, and the people plugged in to the outrage loop have more energy than me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I couldn't really give a shit less about Cracked but yes this is the consequence of "number must go UP" which means owning as many IPs or platforms even at a loss in order to inspire investment, crypto tech "AI will revolutionize the way you piss" pitches get you like 5 trillion dollars in investment or "relatively known IP you can compare marketing wise to something popular" and you get an unlimited budget until it's cancelled like 3 episodes to a season or so in.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cracked
        Just mentioning it is enough to jog my early '10s nostalgia. Frick, I miss old Cracked before 2016.
        I remember not giving a shit about politics back then and asking "why the frick is there a misplaced "joke" for shitting on Trump in every single article?"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Part of the appeal of Golden age Cracked was being written by old school SA goon types and Web 1.0 outsiders. So they'd always have funny weird shit to show like Seanbaby writing up on how reality TV shows work behind the scenes.
        It went downhill because that vibe went away.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >weird rant against elon at the end of this.
      He didn't mention Elon at all?
      I assumed he was talkin about Bezos. You know, Amazon Video exists? Or hell basically any studio head over a certain tax bracket.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Netflix is also famous for its "We didn't advertise your show, but we did use a techbro algorithm to determine that your show should be abandonded" approach to production. I've definitely seen frustrated rants about it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"We didn't advertise your show, but we did use a techbro algorithm to determine that your show should be abandonded" approach to production.
          Disney+ does this with pretty much all the anime it can get its hands on too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well it was a rant like you said

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >take advantage of its fans forever
      The problem is there is no forever and in this scenario it's incredibly finite. Remember the transformers movies? They banked a ton on people who grew up with the franchise, but now that audience is collecting social security checks and there's no legacy of any younger generation who'd be devoutly into something their parents/grandparents were into. It happened with Peanuts. It's happening now with Star Wars. There occasionally needs to be new IP to hook youngins on for this scheme to work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Musktards now think he is the only rich guy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Elon
      but you can shit on Elon on twitter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have a feeling he means Viacom and how after Savinogate they mandated the staff not talk to fans at all and even some nuked social media

  4. 2 weeks ago
    truteal

    Reboots sell and normos love celebrity and live-action writers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find that ironic, because MCU Spider-Man was written by someone who got their start on Drawn Together.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly normos care a little about the former sure but not as much as the industry think,but they could care less about the latter.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe if every single pitch wasn't about non whites and women which leads to instant failure so much even israelites understand that they can only shill diversity in pre existing properties and not take new risks then maybe corporations would start accepting new pitches again.
    Until then we heard this all before.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus fricking Christ, Cinemaphile sucks so much.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at Velma and prove me wrong look at everything going on and prove me wrong. You can't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Velma only sucks because it's trying to hard to be an animated Riverdale.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol. Which is why actual Riverdale flopped right?
            Oh wait.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It ended last year, so it can be considered that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ignores the 7 seasons
                >137 episodes
                >7 year run
                Leftists will do anything to cope with the fact that white people are imperative to success on a foundational level even if it isn't a critical one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was live-action, therefore cheaper to make and easier to produce.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon it averaged one million views over it's lifetime. That is a feat for 2017 television.

                >instant failure

                This iteration of Clark is white coded. More so than usual. That is saying something.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >over it's lifetime
                By that logic, Rick & Morty is a success. If you were to add that show's success up, it's the first couple seasons that actually had any success.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >white coded
                Frick off.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well he's Kryptonian you can't call him officially white but he might as well be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I haven't watched the show but are his parents still white? If they're white, Clark's white.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Velma was a spite cartoon. Corpos use outrage to get hate watchers since any reaction is better than none. Not to mention Velma is based on an already established IP with major pop cultural influence.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's telling corporations would back this and not a cartoon that offends women + minorities

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh you mean like that recent black family cartoon that does both? (Reuse Ip and offend women and minorities?)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The outrage worked for the 1st batch of Velma episodes, but really didn't for the 2nd batch because people knew by then what kind of show it is.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Look at this one thing, that means all women suck!!!!!

          Meanwhile all the countless male projects that have failed apparently don’t count because it would hurt your feelings to admit that so it’s the israelites or wokeness or whatever the else you can scapegoat. Even though those involve men also.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Name a failed "male" project." I'll name you 2-10 for every one of yours.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Northman
              American Gigolo tv show
              Arthur the King
              Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning part one
              Agent Elvis
              Mindhunter
              Fatal Attraction tv show
              Morbius
              Shazam Fury of the Gods

              Just to name a few from the past couple of years

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't understand. "male" project, as in a male lead project, male-focused, typical manly themes, etc.
                Fatal Attraction TV show?! The story about an obsessed woman?
                Here's the summary from imdb
                A deep-dive reimagining of the classic 1980s thriller, exploring timeless themes of marriage and infidelity through the lens of modern attitudes toward strong women, personality disorders and coercive control.
                >strong women
                that's female focused.
                also, Mission impossible was a hit, over half a billion, and it had a heavy emphasis on the girlbosses. shazam was a big ensemble cast.
                contrast that with say disney star wars in which rey is the main protagonist (in a somewhat ensemble cast that includes more women than men in major parts)
                You failed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO you got triggered by the synopsis for Fatal Attraction and that makes it a female focused? It’s a tv version of a highly popular 80s erotic thriller.

                M:I was such a flop on a 200+ million budget. It’s the second lowest grossing movie in the franchise. It did so poorly they potential fricking sequel has dropped part two in the title. They even changed the subtitle on the first movie to just be Dead Reckoning now.

                Shazam was still prominently about Billy while everyone else played second fiddle. So male lead movie. You also completely ignored the rest like the dishonest shit you are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the synopsis for Fatal Attraction and that makes it a female focused? t’s a tv version of a highly popular 80s erotic thriller.

                Yes, that was about a woman being obsessed with a married man. Don't know what kind of people you're hanging out with, but that's a woman's movie. No guy is saying to his girlfriend "we gotta see that" but plenty of women are telling both their guys and girlfriends "we gotta see that."
                Lemme guess, you think Twilight was a male movie because Pattinson was the lead character right?

                Mission impossible made over half a billion. That's a hit, unless you're a current-day exec who wants a billion or nothing, jealous of the success of Marvel movies from a few years ago.

                Shazam was still no solely about him, nor was it a "male" movie. It was a family friendly all ages/genders movie.

                I ignored all the rest largely because I don't know what they are, never heard of them, which makes them even more irrelevant to the discussion, and also because you failed to realize what "male" movie means. Hint, think of something along the lines of Predator, not Shazam FFS!

                Now if you contrast that with female lead films that flopped, they are often in KEY roles of well known franchises, not some unknown/low budget films like whatever you listed.
                The women appropriate a popular franchise or try to do a "male" film, like an action genre, hoping to ride the coattails, not understanding why it's popular, and it ends up sucking and failing.

                Ghostbusters 2016,
                Men in black international
                Terminator dark fate,
                Charlie's Angels 2019
                (this one is interesting. it failed miserably. Women in action roles is fine, but if you want to make it a "male" movie, give men a reason to see it. The two Charlie's angels movies with Drew Barrymore had WAY more sex appeal! Lots of cheeky, risque, sexy stuff from strip club strip teases to ass shots, Drew with her legs spread in a bound position while offering funny dialogue, nude scenes, everything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO you got triggered by the synopsis for Fatal Attraction and that makes it a female focused? It’s a tv version of a highly popular 80s erotic thriller.

                M:I was such a flop on a 200+ million budget. It’s the second lowest grossing movie in the franchise. It did so poorly they potential fricking sequel has dropped part two in the title. They even changed the subtitle on the first movie to just be Dead Reckoning now.

                Shazam was still prominently about Billy while everyone else played second fiddle. So male lead movie. You also completely ignored the rest like the dishonest shit you are.

                cont.

                if you check youtube for "charlie's angels sexy scenes" it's all the Drew films. Nothing from the newest ones. Even if you specify the 2019 film, there's literally no sexy scenes whatsoever. They took a film that widely appealed to everyone, including men, and made it appealing to nobody.

                Also, The Marvels, huge flop, She-Hulk, terrible, which is amazing because the lead actress is a great actor, but the writers sole purpose of making that show was to take something that used to be loved by a huge majority of men (I'm talking the original comics, which had an audience composed over 90% men) and made it anti-male. They said this in interviews.

                Birds of Prey.
                They took a character that again, both men and women loved, and somehow managed to make a film that sucked ass, making an action movie that men won't care for. (using similar ideas as the new Charlie's Angels, removing all sex appeal and putting Margot Robbie in overalls, FRICK.)
                Hollywood is full of idiots who don't understand that the "male gaze" is what got us to 8 billion people and their huge audience. And kickass men in action movies is what the women want too, because that's also what gets them wet and got us to 8 billion people.
                Trying to ignore basic facts like a woman can't beat up a man and men like sexy women is why hollywood is failing the past few years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Charlies Angels was good movie and update on the IP.
                >It didn’t give me a boner!
                I don’t care. Go jerk off somewhere that isn’t the movie theatre, degenerate gooner.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Charlies Angels was good movie and update on the IP.
                5/10 on imdb, 52% on rottentomatoes. Get better taste.
                >I don’t care. Go jerk off somewhere that isn’t the movie theatre, degenerate gooner.
                You're the degenerate who's been trained by twitter to deny sexuality. Loser. There's absolutely nothing wrong with putting sexy shit in movies. Men and women love it. And my posts proved it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >countless male projects
            There hasn’t been a “male project” in the last 15 years

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The level of brain rot culture wars produce….

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mindy is funny though

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In live-action.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nope. She's entertaining, but I've never once laughed at anything Mindy Kalong has ever done.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >instant failure

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This shouldn't count otherwise Supes would be the black gay dude.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t-this show doesn't count because
          >b-because
          >UM.,.. IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY?!
          It doesn't count because you like it. Isn't that right buddy?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He has a point though. How come they didn't make him a black gay man since they went all in with being prog heavy?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >since they went all in with being prog heavy?
              Because a lot of that "going all in" is exclusively in the heads of the same terminally online homosexuals that lost their shit over that one Cheerios commercial and then fall over themselves to deny that shit losing ever happened when called on it. Because it's a narcissistic zero sum worldview that posits that anything that is not a part of their insular in group must be out to get them and then that mentality is projected onto the outgroups.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They got Jimmy to be the effeminate non threatening black guy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can tell Cinemaphile is filled with industry hacks because instead of realizing Maxwell Atoms is correct, they are just shitting on him endlessly for telling the truth. Hollywood hates creators, that’s why they aren’t allowed to work on their own revivals.

        >Instant.. failure

        >Failure Instant

        These are all IP based, so they don’t have the short comings that many of the slop Disney and CN shoves out does. Steven Universe is really the only one that managed to get past three seasons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Steven Universe is really the only one that managed to get past three seasons.
          what is gumball
          what is adventure time
          what is craig of the creek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's posting fricking Nikado, that guy is clearly baiting.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Instant.. failure

        >Failure Instant

        Yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Instant.. failure

        >Failure Instant

        Imagine actually propping up this garbage

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is that... Jimmy Olsen? Holy frick, did they really replace a redhead (one of the smallest minorities in the US and the world) with another black character?
        There's some kind of crazy illuminati/media push for this. I don't know why. Well, probably because redheads are genetically probably the most pure-white and of course you can't have that if you're trying to divide and conquer a nation via race politics. pic related.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The actual reason is that these companies and their creators want to shove in diversity but know if they target the white MC it will more likely bomb.
          So instead they target the supporting cast. And in older print media red hair was a good way to make your supporting characters stand out so its less a conspiracy and more that redheads generally are easy targets.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ron Troupe exists.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's because jimmy is a sensitive feminine nerd that they like making him black.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't he start fricking Silver Banshee?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Instant.. failure

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This show is a bigmouth situation. Its not that successful yet is allowed to still exist. They're allowing it to continue out of pure spite.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This cope is always amusing to me. Its the same shit people say when they blackwash White characters.
          >Well you see being White has nothing to do with their character!
          >So its okay to have Blade be played by a White guy?
          >NOOO BEING BLACK IS PART OF HIS CHARACTER!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>NOOO BEING BLACK IS PART OF HIS CHARACTER!
            Because black characters always have "overcame racism" as a part of their plot. Whites don't. White characters are allowed to do actual interesting things like fight ninjas or pilot mecha and shit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Because black characters always have "overcame racism" as a part of their plot.

              PROTIP: these days most black people don't have to overcome racism in their lives. Like ever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Irrelevant. The fictional stories are still stuck in that metaphorical ghetto. And it's not just the leftists putting black characters in that box; whenever you get a suburban nerdy type like Miles Morales or Craig of the Creek a bunch of anons here start insisting they're not *really* black.
                And it's not just a race thing. It applies to gender too. Female led stories are all about how the protagonist overcame the patriarchy by being strong and amazing all along. It's just lazy algorithmic pablum because those are the cliches and people find comfort in cliches.
                You may be too young to remember the whole Galbrush discourse but this is the a big yet (under discussed) part of that equation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Being black is what makes Blade unique. If you turn him white he’s just the 16474726464847262625th white vampire hunter character. Wow how unique and brave creative choice! Clearly this will make him more appealing!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nta
              Piss off. I didn't spend my childhood watching the trilogy constantly thinking back to how important he's black. He was the cool stoic silent urban dude who cracked jokes Better than Spiderman when he opened his mouth and liked to call motherfrickers "motherfrickers". He was the anti Deadpool with two katanas before Deadpool became cool to normies.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Being black is what makes Blade distinctive and memorable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And I told you to piss off twice by now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and it doesn’t change anything about the fact that white vampire hunter is completely blase.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Failure Instant

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I refuse to watch Arcane but I'll give this one to you, apparently it's so good that it makes a woman interesting. I mean she is still white/white coded or whatever but sure. Why not.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But now those jobs have all gone to celebrities and fallen live-action writers, who are also slowly being eaten by the system. WB was hot for Scooby stuff a few years back, so I pitched some ideas. A few of them were turned down for being "off-brand" in a variety of ways. WB has now made (I think) all of those off-brand shows (or something close) with celebrity show runners.
    Velma?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That too, though I think a few Drawn Together writers worked on it as well.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's was a tweet the other day about Drawn Together doing so amazingly well down in Latin America that Paramount commissioned a script for a potential continuation. It was so edgy Paramount said he'll no
        Wish I could find the tweet, the script excerpts were hilarious

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At the very least, they should greenlight Coffin Chasers.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Coffin DODGERS
            Wow, I'm moronic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I initially read that as Coffin Daggers and thought for a brief second that you were into somewhat obscure but awesome contemporary surf rock.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but I'm looming this up, thanks for the recc anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you're into that shit, the rabbit hole goes deep. Messer Chups should definitely be on your list.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It was so edgy Paramount said he'll no
          So they'd rather be queers than make money?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This has been the industry since 2013 so yes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I am forgotten, bros.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw no alternate universe where latam is the king of actual envelope-pushing edgy animation and Americans have to cope with subs

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Super Drags was close.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Super Drags was close.

              I foresee a lot more investment in Mexican studios since LA is kinda imploding at the moment. They might not get to call the shots on content at first, but as the domestic talent base grows we should see a lot more of the good stuff made free of Californian influence

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would definitely be cheaper and much less bullshit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe Mexico can build their own with Mexican industry vets and Robert Rodriguez, but we'd probably see the American film industry move to Atlanta before Mexico.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can see that happening. It could do well with American viewers just for the sheer number of Spanish speakers that exist in the country and who would like to support Mexican animation due to family roots to the country.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Drawn Together was a bomb in the US. I don't blame them for rejecting the proposal, if it even happened.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But if it's very successful in another market, then it'd be wise to cater to that market.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Drawn Together was a bomb in the US.
              A "bomb" doesn't get 3 seasons and a movie, stupid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have the link?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have the link?

          https://twitter.com/MapleLeafClover/status/1795019713598148787?s=19

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm so glad they added Apu, sounds like the creators of DT are in-touch.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            JAJAJAJAJA

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Hey Johnson, this show "Drawn Together" is surging in viewership on our streaming service.
          >This is terrific, Williams! Sounds like a good chance to make a reboot! Gotta strike while the iron is hot!! Let's get them guys on the phone now!
          >Johnson, do you think we should watch the show first to see what the fuss is about?
          >Nah, just commission a script, we'll find out after we read it.

          God, these morons can't die off fast enough.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, so he was pitching a "Velma" concept before it got written by the Paki? What would he have done in its place, a Mexican version set in Tijuana?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm imagining it had all the race swapping and disregard for the original, just in slightly different ways.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This guy wouldn't be doing so bad financially if he just took the fricking jobs he's offered. Dude needs to get his head out of his ass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guarantee you that if he did, people here would be saying he sold out.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if he did, people here would be saying he sold out

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who gives a shit? You NEED to sell out to make a decent living. That's just how the world works.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. sold out

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Who gives a shit? You NEED to sell out
          Frick off shill.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You need money to survive. That's reality.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can make money to survive without selling out snd people have been doing so for far longer than either of us have been alive, shill.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is Max doing any of that? No.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the cost of living is so high now relative to past decades simply due to housing that this is simply no longer feasible

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Burn. In. Hell.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You first

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who cares what losers on a basket weaving website say? Better to have food on the table.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I guarantee you that if he did, people here would be saying he sold out.
        This is the Cinemaphile paradox. Creators should take what's given to them and never expect more but then they are soulless hacks who only care about the money when they do. The only person who seems to escape this ire is Danny Antonucci (for some fricking reason). Apparently autismos have decided that a scheme of the week show about kids who like jawbreakers was the pinnacle of western animation.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Antonucci should have made his own animation school in the mid 2000s and allowed it to take off after the Recession.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i think it's cause people think antonucci owns the rights to Ed, Edd, Eddy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't he? IIRC CN have to go through him to do anything with the characters like the OK KO cameo thing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i think it's cause people think antonucci owns the rights to Ed, Edd, Eddy

              It's co-ownership between Cartoon Network and AKA Cartoon
              It's not like Danny can make a new EEnE series away from CN like how Doug was able to continue with Disney after the Nick seasons. That was a situation where an independent animation studio owned their cartoon wholesale, and stopped being a thing because of John K.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If he was a good show runner than he should be able to make a good show even it it wasn't something her created from scratch.
          He would only be a sell out if he made mediocre cookie cutter garbage

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hard to make something good when you hate the idea of it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So by that logic, Danny Antonucci is a hack because he turned down doing his Lupo the Butcher series instead of working with their suggested edits? If he was a good showrunner, he should still be able to make it good.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >OP says Atoms exposed the Industry
          >It's just the same shit that everyone's agreed about and openly talked about for decades now

          Craig McCracken struggles to get any of his new idea's up and running and Lauren Faust can't even get 1 singular original idea off the ground before getting shot down or cancelled before production even really starts
          Code Name Kids Next Door? Everyone involved wants to do it again and are begging us to reboot it? Frick that, go away gays we wanna reboot PowerPuff Girls with none of the original writers or voice actors and at only a fraction of the cost!
          Danny Antonucci has a pilot made after doing nothing for over a decade? Nnnahh I don't feel like it
          The Ren and Stimpy reboot was wrote off so fast before it even aired because we've had so many shitty Reboots made that felt nothing like their older show that everyone knew they couldn't even come close to replicating it

          Genndy got lucky with a resurgence but that's also likely because someone in the chair really likes him and wants to see him do things again

          Danny escaped it because he didn't do anything that anyone's aware of after EEnE ended
          Almost everyone else that Cinemaphile shits on still does shit occcasionally
          I'd say John R. Dilworth escaped it too since no one here seems to be aware that he still does thing occasionally

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Code Name Kids Next Door? Everyone involved wants to do it again and are begging us to reboot it? Frick that, go away gays we wanna reboot PowerPuff Girls with none of the original writers or voice actors and at only a fraction of the cost!
            I'm still mad about this. Instead of a cool sequel series made by the original crew and VAs, we got a soulless husk of a reboot that had characters being unceremoniously removed for being "problematic" while at the same time featuring shit like twerking kindergarteners, trans unicorns and a writer making his self-insert a love interest.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The good news is that there will be a proper PPG reboot in the near future.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there will be a proper PPG reboot in the near future
                define 'near'. Craig is in preproduction on something, but that can be a *very* long process. So far, there has been no substantial news on it. It's likely that we will see something PPG related in the future, but it's anyone's guess when that will actually be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Perhaps I was being a bit optimistic. 2026 seems like a reasonable release date.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Release date? No. For 2026 to be reasonable, they'd AT LEAST have to be well into pre-production right now (though in reality, they'd have to be much further). The latest news is that execs are likely interested and Craig is working on developing something, but nothing has actually been greenlit yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If only Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventure can do the same to show Scott Pilgrim Takes Off who is boss.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Scott Pilgrim Takes Off

                >Get all your actors back to VA their characters
                >Get a good animation studio to animate it too
                >Frame it as an adaption to the comics with "some changes here and there"
                >No one's gonna think much on that since a lot of adaptions have changes here and there
                >Show comes out and it's dickass

                What's with adapting work that people have been clammering for years for just to frick it up on purpose
                Scott Pilgrim fans are basically waiting for the creator to die so they can get something good for a change

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thats why they needed to show Scott who's boss.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                O'Malley said multiple times that going back to Scott Pilgrim proper for him is the equivalent to accepting creative death and that any work he would do on the franchise had to be new.
                I don;t blame him but then he never should of go through with takes off in the first place.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There was a smarter way to do it than that. Anything, really, would have been smarter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like doing a straight adaption.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if we accept that as an unviable proposition it can be expanded upon without ruining the original for the sake of twitter discourse from people who never read the original.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >O'Malley said multiple times that going back to Scott Pilgrim proper for him is the equivalent to accepting creative death
                Why are these guys so up their own ass? It ain't that fricking serious.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because he made SP when he was young and noting else since has hit the same level of attention and popularity.
                Its the artist version of peaking in college and then admitting to yourself you peaked in college. Absolutely Soul Rending

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh well, that's life. Get over it and milk the thing that makes you the most money to get that steady income coming in. That way, you'll have the dough to do the shit you wanna do, regardless if it's successful or not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Absolutely Soul Rending
                Is soul rending fir me to know my peak is right now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                idk man it might be. none of the sad sacks on here including me are going to be able to help you with digging your way out of a hole, except to give you a shovel.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's kind of hard to explain to non-art types.

                i guess it would be like dumping a person in college, finding no one else to date you for for 10 years, then getting a day job where you have to scroll through old photos.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's boring. Like eating the same meal every day or watching the same movie every day. A lot of things also can't be revisited well, he made SP when he was young and he's old now he can not possibly do well at rebooting it because he's in the wrong age demographic.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wasnt jake an injoke or something iirc?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wasnt jake an injoke or something iirc?
                The character looked liked him and only appeared in episodes that he wrote
                I feel like they only said it was an in-joke to cover their asses

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Greenlighting Powerpuff Girls 2016 instead of Galatic Kids Next Door was a horrible decision that quickly blew up in CN's Face. I actually got blocked on twitter by the voice of Buttercup in that Natalie Palamides. Thankfully Amanda Leighton didn't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            John Dilworth has done like 1 or maaaybe 2 shorts since courage. His most recent work (which, last I heard, has yet to be released) looks like a gigantic pile of shit.

            He is narrowly avoiding getting me too'd just because people seem to acknowledge that the dude has some legitimate and severe mental health issues, but it's also an open secret that you should keep your distance from him (especially if you're a woman).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds like he'd be great friends with Kricfaluci.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if you mean snotrocket it was fine

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's done way more than that, go check his youtube

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'd say John R. Dilworth escaped it too since no one here seems to be aware that he still does thing occasionally
            hes doing a short film right now and a while back pitched a prequel show about courage and his parents.
            theres also a small rabbithole around him involving accusations of phishing and an audio recording of him calling doc mcstuffins nontraditional

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >an audio recording of him calling doc mcstuffins nontraditional
              What, he complained it wasn't traditional animation?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, it wasnt very clear, parts of it were edited out, but what wasnt was him saying something about boys who dont feel like boys and mentioned that netflix cartoon that michelle obama made, i think he called it propaganda.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, he is not wrong.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who cares what a bunch of basement-dwelling incels on Cinemaphile have to say? He still needs to eat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not even Bob Camp could stand being on a writer-driven show.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He literally says in the post that he wished he had taken more offers when he could

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    muh velma boogeyman

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I sympathize, but what does he want? He doesn't want to work on IP, but complains about not getting any gigs from billionaire "tech bros." And now that the industry appears to be failing and the tech bros are abandoning ship, he's afraid? Isn't this what he wants, for those people to leave?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather work for Digital Eclipse, since I'm only interested in the emulation side of tech.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s wrong with that? We live in a capitalist society, so you look for capitalists who will bankroll your projects. That’s how the entertainment industry has worked from day one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well yeah, so instead of complaining about the people leaving or not getting gigs, shouldn't he be wooing other investors?
        Netflix Animation may not be hiring, but they're still throwing money at independent productions, even ones not particularly good nor have any star power. This isn't an animation industry problem, this is a Maxwell Atoms problem.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a fair point. Unless he knows something we don't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Netflix Animation may not be hiring, but they're still throwing money at independent productions
          Netflix money is laughable when it comes to animated productions. They used to be willing to throw piles of money at stuff, but these days they want to offer a pittance (barely enough to cover a single episode) for exclusive rights to an entire series and will offer no money on the backend.
          Basically, the only people selling animated series to Netflix already have something finished and need to offload it when nobody else is buying. Nobody is financing their project from the money Netflix is offering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Netflix should be more open to animated productions again.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Netflix should be more open to animated productions again.
              They're open, they just won't pay shit for them.
              Alls well anyway. Netflix shows tend to die off pretty quickly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >We live in a capitalist society
        We used to, now we basically have a corpotocracy where a handful of companies own everything and we are seeing the results of that in every single industry, including entertainment. It's like the saying "just vote with your wallet", how can you do that when every single entertainment product somehow puts money in Disney's pocket?
        The only solution is to pull a John Galt and abstain from consumption of anything but your own labor and that of your select friends.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Capitalism fricked us over, so we need to go beyond capitalism! We need even more capitalism than normal capitalism
          >We need hyperadvanced train autism SUPER capitalism
          Wow lol what a gay.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The term is anarchocapitalism you illiterate frick

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which just collapses into feudalism. It's like ending the Fed producing Reservecorp, the bank of the future or the fact that libertarians have never figured out roads.

              If you want to be a libertarian and get taken seriously you have to advocate for the opposite of what entrepreneurs in San Francisco do instead of being their orc.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >every single entertainment product somehow puts money in Disney's pocket?
          and yet my Disney stock keeps plummeting. How the frick does this all work?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It works the way Communist Russia did, where eventually "they can't even make a working wrist watch" is what people will say of American products. They cut corners and make worse products, which leads to lower sales, which leads to more cut costs, which leads to lower sales, and eventually Estonia is going to have flying trains while the US is trying to figure out how to keep door plugs on planes if you don't pay any employees or even buy a door plug.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The stock market is just about speculation and people acting like a panicked chickens. That’s why when people say “look at the stock market, the economy is great!” it shows they don’t understand anything about economics.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What we have now isn't capitalism, it's [perfectly describes a feature of capitalism]

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Were stuck with Capitalism for lack of better choices
            >Communism is starving to death and not being allowed to own a house (and/or getting gunned down as a “Kulak” for daring to want your own toothbrush)
            >Anarchy is getting raped to death by mad max raiders
            >Feudalism is living as a squalid dirt farmer while inept dickheads lord over because their “blood is royal” or they’re “God’s chosen people”
            I don’t deny that Oligarch heads need to roll, but what other option do we have in the economic long term outside of capitalism?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You didn't mention Socialism, so there's that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a quick death compared to Communism's slow death. Either way, you're fricked.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Democratic Socialism without the EU would be great.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Socialism isn’t a terrible, but I’d argue most see it as a a developmental stage between capitalism and communism rather than a system in and of itself
                Tankies will want more government regulation (+Bourgeoise and Kulaks swinging from trees) than is permissible under socialism, whereas Capitalists will want little to no regulation and would balk at having to support the poors in any capacity (outside of self-aggrandizing “charity”).
                Eventually, one or both sides will get sick of it and force the pendulum back into their preferred extreme

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd honestly prefer a system where it's easier for stuff to be animated in-house, but I'm not sure how that could be achieved.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unreal Engine?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly, that's not a bad idea. I believe there was once an animated sitcom that tried using that as its animation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Muh. Democratic Socialism, muh.

                Democratic Socialism without the EU would be great.

                Theres no such thing, it was created out of thin air by a known couch surfing LOSER Berndout Sanders whos entire existence is sucking on government breasts|like all Communists they try to pretty up the word to make it sound less deadly. When even the head of the Bolsheviks in Russia called it "The road to Communism" you know, after they killed the Czarists and also more than 50 million of their own people. Lets also not forget Mao, Polpot or any other losers out there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those were all authoritarian leftists, not libertarian leftists.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cannot force socialism on people without the use of weaponry. It's why out of the 41 times it has been tried.. Literally all of them turn into shitholes, take your pick. Forgive me if I don't want to head to Venezuela for some hot tips on "how to cook my dog just right"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Socialism isn’t a terrible
                It is.
                The very fact you have the luxury of complaining about animation is what proves capitalism works.

                >a developmental stage between capitalism and communism rather than a system in and of itself
                It isn't. Its just an attempt of communism without the stigma, like anything the left proposes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Socialism isn’t a terrible
                lmao these clowns out here acting like they would love to have the choice between a labor camp or starving to death

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hateful fart cartoon

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Atoms makes a pitch for a Scooby-Doo show
    >gets rejected for not being "on-brand"
    >Velma somehow is
    The state of fricking Warner

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If he wants to make a show using his own IP, shouldn't he go the online route and crowdfund? Or work with other indie creators as a co-creator? Given who he is he could probably fund something pretty easilly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be a no-brainer if he worked on Monkey Wrench, that way it could have decent writing and/or pacing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He tried with Dead Meat and it failed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dead Meat failed because he brought in half union and half non-union people to work on the show which fricked it legally.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Vivzie and Gooseworx can get shit done on the internet, why doesn't Maxwell try that? I'm sure he has a bigger draw because he's the one who made Billy & Mandy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He did vi kickstarted and then the project fell apart due to union contract law and he's been living like a pauper ever since.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he's been living like a pauper ever since.
          By choice.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        viv is rich and goose is state funded

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Goose isn't state funded.
          Glitch used state funds for their first two shows to get off the ground, but the moment they started using non aussie staff that money went away.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >viv And goose on the same page
        they had preestablished followings yes but with goose glitch literally just walked up to her And told her “wanna Make a show with us?”

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i believe goose scored the hazbin pilot? or at least did some music for it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            indeed she did, even made a theme song for Angel dust, she and viv go all the way back to zoophobia, goose designed the loo loo land band for helluva and viv did some art for her old videos.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              dont forget she also wrote the theme song to zoophobia

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >she
              He*
              We only praticce true gendering here.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that was when angel was a mafia spider instead of a literal prostitute

              >she
              He*
              We only praticce true gendering here.

              obsessed

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pros really hate the idea of doing anything grassroots and indy. They want studio money, they want interns kissing their asses, they want executives treating them like royalty when a show gets big on a network.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pros really hate the idea of doing anything grassroots and indy
          I've been on both mainstream and indie productions. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. Indie productions are scrappy as shit and while it can be fun working on something without executive oversight, that's pretty much the only benefit.

          Indie budgets really suck and for all the animation fanboys who comment about not being able to wait for the next episode, they won't so much as donate a dollar to a crowdfund campaign (but will still complain about how long it takes to produce). People end up working multiple jobs and get paid much less than they would on a mainstream production. For now, most artists run on the excitement for being subversive, but it's not sustainable lifestyle. The amount of money you scrape together might barely cover production, though most end up coming out of pocket at some point so you end up actually paying money just to make something people will watch for free.

          Most people on those indie productions work a fulltime mainstream job and then work on their scenes after work. It's fine if you're fresh out of school, but if you've already had a whole career in mainstream animation and are a bit older, it's a lot harder to burn the candle at both ends like that.

          Think of it this way - when in your teens or 20's, going on a roadtrip with friends is exciting and it's not a very big deal to sleep in the car or on the floor of a cheap motel. Once you're older and have gotten used to going on trips where you have proper lodging and a bed, you're probably not going to be so eager to go on a trip with your friends if it means sleeping in the car and cramming 6 people into a cheap motel room with one bed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the pay rates simply don't compare. online crowdfunding is for the young and obsessed who are happy to live on ramen. also when you're a creative you just want to create, balancing budgets and other project management aspects might be beyond your skillset

      >OP says Atoms exposed the Industry
      >It's just the same shit that everyone's agreed about and openly talked about for decades now

      Craig McCracken struggles to get any of his new idea's up and running and Lauren Faust can't even get 1 singular original idea off the ground before getting shot down or cancelled before production even really starts
      Code Name Kids Next Door? Everyone involved wants to do it again and are begging us to reboot it? Frick that, go away gays we wanna reboot PowerPuff Girls with none of the original writers or voice actors and at only a fraction of the cost!
      Danny Antonucci has a pilot made after doing nothing for over a decade? Nnnahh I don't feel like it
      The Ren and Stimpy reboot was wrote off so fast before it even aired because we've had so many shitty Reboots made that felt nothing like their older show that everyone knew they couldn't even come close to replicating it

      Genndy got lucky with a resurgence but that's also likely because someone in the chair really likes him and wants to see him do things again

      Danny escaped it because he didn't do anything that anyone's aware of after EEnE ended
      Almost everyone else that Cinemaphile shits on still does shit occcasionally
      I'd say John R. Dilworth escaped it too since no one here seems to be aware that he still does thing occasionally

      i'm still pissed about lauren's witch project getting cancelled. I'm glad she gets to work on dc super hero girls but still, let the girl have her own ip for once

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the pay rates simply don't compare. online crowdfunding is for the young and obsessed who are happy to live on ramen. also when you're a creative you just want to create, balancing budgets and other project management aspects might be beyond your skillset
        This is one of the first anons I've seen who actually gets it. If you're a student or fresh out of school, the indie thing is cool and subversive and you're totally fine whittlilng into your savings or living in poverty just to make something fun and get some internet clout. Once you've actually worked on a real production with a real budget and real benefits, the idea of working on an indie project (with indie budgets and no benefits) really fricking sucks ass. At some point you need to carve out a real life for yourself.

        People seem to think that artists should suck all of the dicks and do their work for free because of *PASSION*, but in reality, if someone else is profiting from your shit, it's a fricking job. You can be passionate about your craft and lend some of that to a job you're on, but at the end of the day, if someone isn't paying you to work on their shit, you could just as easily be spending that time working on your own personal stuff.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is basically the reason i gave up doing art commissions. you slave away drawing some normie's OC for a pittance, meanwhile an actual company will pay you 11 bucks an hour.

          I like Maxwell but something is weird here, he must have depression or something else because there is no way he can't get a single cartoon in all these years. Billy and Mandy is popular even in japan, he has to be doing something wrong or not really trying

          keep in mind he is older. a lot of meat grinders these days prefer young malleable people, because you can get away with paying them less and treating them worse

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you can get away with paying them less and treating them worse
            Age and inexperience is definitely part of that, but he can also demand more money because he has a well known IP to his name. Clout is everything. Despite what Faust wants to claim, it's largely the reason McCracken gets paid more than her.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Despite what Faust wants to claim, it's largely the reason McCracken gets paid more than her.
              faust created a show that singlehandedly ruined the internet, she's more relevant currently than mcracken and his cosmic kid stuff.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but Faust directed a show based on extant IP. Craig created PPG (and was then able to parlay that success into creating several more successful shows). I know it's splitting hairs and I think Faust should be able to work on her own IP at this point, but the fact of the matter is that McCracken's status as bonafide successful creator/showrunner trumps Faust's status as successful showrunner.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i don't know how they pick who they hire, but being able to groom an existing IP into the new hotness is arguably a skill more in demand than making anything new.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I get what you're saying, but that's not how the world works. Like it or not, there's a hierarchy. The fact that Craig created a couple of new shows that became wildly popular/profitable puts him in a class above all the people who made an extant IP into something popular/profitable. It may not be fair, but it's real.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                An IP becoming the new hotness is more luck than skill. We've seen time and time again of people with the skill, experience and style that make a new IP which gets advertising yet still doesn't catch on. The success of FiM was not really a forseen thing, they most def didn't think all that was gonna happen and probably figured it would be a two season show at most.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not for the suits, and the suits matter more than horse wankers

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you slave away drawing some normie's OC for a pittance, meanwhile an actual company will pay you 11 bucks an hour.
            Once you have enough clout where people know who you are and some even start looking for you specifically, you should raise your rates. Art is not an entry-level job and it requires a lot of specialized training and practice. You need to be making more than minimum wage. Of course it's hard to do that if you don't have any name so n00bs need to suck ass for awhile and work for under-rate until they can gain some notoriety.

            But I feel you. After spending an extended period of time chasing clients and spending all the time you're not working on commissions looking for your next commission, getting a job where you can just show up, put in your time, and get paid is pretty fricking nice.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Couldn't it be compared to start-ups in the software development world though? Or taking on the risk of starting your own business?

          I can get that adults crave greater stability as they grow older, but that doesn't mean striking it on your own isn't worthwhile or doesn't make sense at an older age. It happens in other industries all the time. In fact often it can make more sense when you have more industry experience and practical know-how. What older people normally do is keep their day job and work on the riskier thing as a side hustle, then switch full-time when the side-hustle becomes more viable as a full-time gig.

          Maybe I'm underestimating the realities of animation, especially the time involved to produce it. But again it's not like other industries are free from significant constraints either. To me the idea that going a more entrepreneurial route is only for the young and inexperienced could be a dangerous one because it could be preventing the more experienced and knowledgeable people from taking risks. It could prevent them from setting a new paradigm, one that could become more stable and help generate jobs over time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe I'm underestimating the realities of animation, especially the time involved to produce it.
            that's you're answer.
            Most anons have no fricking clue how much time and effort animation takes. Try to animate a single bouncing ball. Not just a tweened circle going up and down, but actually falling and rebounding with a sense of velocity and weight and a feeling of life where the ball squashes and stretches appropriately to imbue the object with a sense of life. Then think about how much work it would take to deliver a performance of a whole ass character with clothes and hair and props. Aside from the actual motion (which often entails multiple body parts and secondary motion of aforementioned clothing and hair and props), you need to figure out how to capture a 'performance' that is realistic. It's much more than leg goes up, leg goes down.

            Now think about doing that with more than one character at a time for a scene. Most scenes have at least 2, but many have several more (plus background characters). Then you need to design and animate props, sets, backgrounds, effects (water/smoke/fire/electricity/gunfire/etc), lighting/compositing, voice acting, sound effects, music, mix....

            Apps these days can get pretty complex, but the amount of work pales in comparison to animation.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People seem to think that artists should suck all of the dicks and do their work for free because of *PASSION*
          No, we think that way because you have no other marketable skills

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. The days of being a Bill Watterson or Dean Yeagle and just drawing your favourite whole gimmick/waifu until the day you die are over. The market is oversaturated now anyone can commission porn to their exact specifications for the right price, and chasing your dream simply doesn’t pay the bills anymore.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >chasing your dream simply doesn’t pay the bills anymore.
              History is littered with dreamers with no talent or some small modicum of talent but no way to break in.

              Rise of the TMNT had merch, surprisingly.

              The merch was built in.
              As a matter of fact, it was litterally an oldschool toy/merch commercial that had a cartoon probably made at the same time the merch deal was made.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've always known TMNT was meant to sell toys, I'm just bummed Rise was the shortest-lived iteration.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everything is crumbling down
    >the mass of poorer grows in rich regions or get poorer in poor regions.
    >rich people get richer
    It seems we all fall back about 200 years?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only if cracked software ceases to exist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats just like the copycat and black markets for stolen goods from 200 years ago.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still equally based, you gotta get your goods somewhere when stuff's in short supply.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We never got out of the start of the industrial revolution.
      >but muh OSHA muh child labor laws
      Bread and circus laws. Soon will be repealed and we can fully return.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More like the industrial de-evolution.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends what industrial revolution is. Probably we are in a third or fourth industrial revolution.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We're heading towards a cyberpunk 2077 style future it's over

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >We're heading towards a cyberpunk 2077 style future it's over
        It's the future that Elon saw as well, but his 'cybertruck' was unfortunately based on the buggy premiere release of the game so his low-poly car sucks ass.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >two of them were properties created by notorious sex pests
    >I don't think any of those projects survived the intervening years
    Huh, I wonder what they were? Can't be Ren and Stimpy since that is definitely still coming out. Who else fits this billing, did he get offered a Loud House spinoff or something?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that is definitely still coming out.
      Barely, it's a miracle that it even went through the production phase.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I reeeeally want to know who thought it was going to be a good idea. Even without the John K. issues, it just seemed like an extraordinarily moronic idea.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Robyn Byrd, apparently.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think she thought it was a good idea. I seem to recall she was initially very much against it and they had to woo her and make her a producer to get her to stop trashing it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The TLH spin-off is also coming.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I wonder what they were?
      A lot of projects die well before they're announced. It's possible he's referencing shows that were never on our radar.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this surprising to anyone?
    Is this surprising to anybody paying attention to what's happening right now?

    The economy is in the shitter. Nobody has time or money for entertainment. Nobody is passing trillion-dollar corporate handouts. And this is BEFORE you realize that cartoons never really had any money-making potential, and the one advantage they did have (plastering advertising during their air time) is basically gone now that most people don't watch TV.
    When profits are lean, corporations want more guaranteed successes. Sequels/reboots have a higher chance of success, since people are more likely to sit down and watch something they are familiar with. Celebrity names are the same thing, people will watch something with a big name because of the name recognition. CEOs have never had good taste and so when the decision has to come from them, they'll make the most basic decisions that a spreadsheet tells them to do.

    >Frick all that nonsense about art direction or storytelling or engaging plot, do you know about TEEN TITANS? Remember how many people watched TEEN TITANS? Well, I guess we'll just make a new one and put it up on our channel 24/7 for months at a time. Certainly that's going to be successful, right?

    This is the kind of mindset you are dealing with.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Time for guillotines

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No need. One more indie success collapses the industry.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >One more indie success collapses the industry.
          I hope so. A lot of indie animation, or the really successful ones people know about, only got there because their creators had to spend years building up a reputation and networking to have a chance at orchestrating a full show.

          I tend to fear that newcomers trying to pursue the same success will assume that they need to run a large funding campaign in order to produce anything worth watching and then give up when nobody seems interested. They ought to start small with less-than-a-minute animations to get their feet wet and to begin accumulating an audience that enjoys their work.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also they might want to rush something rather than developing it for a year or so. Let your ideas manifest first before spending money on something that you realize doesn't work.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I used to have this series of comics I've made since I was in elementary school, yet I've never developed any of the characters that were in them until recently.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's top notch advice anon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The best place to find that would be fan animated memes. Any one of those guys could get the spark to make something original if they really wanted to, because it's the only thing that still drives engagement.

            The social media algorithms are useless and new infrastructure must be built. Web 2 is a pipe dream at best and a parasite at worst.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A lot of indie animation, or the really successful ones people know about, only got there because their creators had to spend years building up a reputation and networking to have a chance at orchestrating a full show
            Most of the successfully run indies also have a ton of people with mainstream industry experience on them. Those projects are VERY well organized and regimented with well-defined hierarchies, schedules, project work-flows, payroll, legal teams, etc. They are able to work like that because the people running it are emulating systems they worked with in mainstream productions.

            With each generation of animators who don't go through the mainstream meat-grinder, the more watered down those processes and systems get. I've seen behind the scenes of projects run by seasoned veterans vs those run by what are essentially hobbyists (albeit very serious hobbyists) and the difference is night and day.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'll take you word for it anonymous guy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is there anything that can be done about this or do we just have to wait it out?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Some of the most unexpected events had to be waited out.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ban franchises and force originals on the audience like vegetables for children.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop looking for creativity in old and/or dead places. Good, fresh, quality original stuff isn't going to be coming out of the old machine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait it out, just like I'm doing for the AAA gaming scene.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like entertainment is broken up.

      Animation has always been insanely expensive and requires the widest audience possible to pay for itself. Except now studios removed
      >Advertisers
      >Licensing to other channels
      >merch
      >Viewership times to maximize ad money
      and replaced it with a tiny flat fee that pays for fricking nothing. And when a show is made, it only goes on a single service that only 30-60% of the population has, instead of a cable channel everyone has. Add in no advertisement to let anyone know it exists, and fricking impossible to navigate streaming menus that only display the top biggest name shit they have on brand.

      There is just no fricking way anyone is going to make money as long as they rely on 6-20 different competing streaming services for all entertainment. That shit has to change first.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japan is working on that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should've never let soccermoms win and still do merch for cartoons, dammit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They should've never let soccermoms win
          Women really have no business having a say in anything, everything wrong with society today can be traced back to giving women the right to vote.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't understand how it was a bad thing. What the frick is wrong with selling merch for shows? Kids fricking love both the show and the merch. TMNT and Transformers still sells shit today. How is this bad?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My older sister was an 80s kid and she resents the current state of things saying being able to collect, however few, figures or plushies of a show was the best part.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have no idea, i'm dumbfounded that Disney TVA barely does any merch for their shows, despite them usually having sizable fanbases.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing. Those animators misunderstand their problem. It's about leverage.
            Merchandising is great when you maintain control over your IP, and have the power to say "no".

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              These animators don't misundestand anything.

              They simply know that there's no chance in hell that their stuff will sell toys/merch, so they will belittle the shows that were once made to sell toys/merch.

              Of course, these shows were made to appeal to a wide audience, since that's how you sell toys/merch, something current day creatives can't, the shit they create keeps shrinking the industry, with the audience either dropping out of consuming animation or moving over to anime.

              Western animation is dying to due having a generation of absolutely worthless people in charge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Western animation is dying to due having a generation of absolutely worthless people in charge.
                Yes and they are holding the bag 🙂
                The back stabbing and "throwing under the bus" is just beginning.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the end result of hiring a shotload of people off tumblr straight into positions they were not really capable of holding back in 2013.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                western animation will always be held back because the west refuses to think that animation can be anything more than children's bullshit. IF it's not for trying to sell toys or merch the west doesn't give a shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because cartoons are expensive and need merch to make a profit. Ratings/views do not translate to money, but popularity. It's just a way of showing how much the merch might sell. Cartoons are glorified advertisements for the shit that actually makes money.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >THE WEST THE WEST
                the west had people working 20+ years on unfunded single animated movies for the same of art and taking huge risks in favor of creativity over formulas. did "THE EAST" ever do that?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, it's called Little Nemo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *for the sake of art

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If a series is going to be toy driven then that will have a direct impact on the character design, which is sort of a problem for a lot of current shows. Nothing really makes a good toy right now. A character that is going to be made into a figure is going to have to be designed to look good, look cool, be pretty etc. An ugly weird toy is just not going to sell at all. A plain ordinary looking person is not going to sell a toy at all. A really simple designed "Toon" that is just a circle head with stick arms and legs would barely even translate to a 3D toy in the first place.

                The main characters in the first season of Amphibia would not well toys. Maybe the season 3 versions with armor, swords etc.
                But at the same time, it does not help to have a simplistic minimalist design for a character if you want to sell a toy of them either. So almost no modern Disney cartoon would work since everyone in Owl House, Amphibia, etc are just too plain and made out of simple geometric shapes, they would make really shit toys.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The issue is that subscription models are a shit way to make a profit off of products as expensive as film and tv. Should've modeled their services after PPV.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Removing merch or not even creating merch is a big problem especially when it comes to Disney Animation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japan makes 40+ series each 3 months and China some more. It's not possible that the US can't do half of that in a year.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not possible because animating is a low wage job in Japan. Meanwhile studios demanding to exist in California only means they have to pay their employees $80K and up just to be livable.

          Move those places over to a small town in West Texas or Missouri and then it becomes possible to make 20 or more shows within a budget.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine a bunch of weirdo artists suddenly moving out to West Texas or Missouri to work in the industry. It might actually make those shit-holes kind of cool.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The animation industry loves to prop up its sex pests.
    Are we talking, like, people with weird fetishes who keep it in the realm of art or actual sexual assault?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Guys who got accused of sexual misconduct.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Love it or hate it, I'm glad TADC exists and is doing well purely to spite corpos and this rotten to the core industry. As well as proving that we don't fricking need them anymore.

    The man, the legend himself Ralph Bakshi put this into words 15 years ago.

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    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indie animation is going to skyrocket soon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know the show is popular as hell but I don't see it causing any huge paradigm shift.
      TADC is an addition to an already existing sub-culture while Adventure Time and Stephen Universe basically invented new sub-cultures. I honestly feel like the impact left by Friday Night Funkin has been the biggest thing we've gotten in a long time.
      Every young artist in their teens draws like phantom-arcade now, the space that was once occupied by adventure time noodle limbs and stephen universe bean mouth is now being dominated by newgrounds nostalgia Y2K grafitti core.
      Also back on TADC. For an "indie cartoon" you sure do have to sit through a whole lot of california-ass "its right behind me isn't it" dialogue. I can't help but be a little jaded and cynical when people say "beacon of hope in animation" and I hear how the characters talk.
      Also since episode 1 it just reeks of desperately wanting a big fandom. The tumblr sexymen, the deep lore, the liminal space, the pibby glitch horror, constantly nudging and winking at the audience with references to memes and phrases like "submissive and agreeable".

      Eh, I dunno man. At least it's better than Vivzieshit. I genuinely do not understand how anybody who isn't a teenage girl can stomach that narcassistic self-jerking garbage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >while Adventure Time and Stephen Universe basically invented new sub-cultures
        Gay people existed well before those shows

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gay people did cool things before that tho like listen to Madonna, go to drag shows, fight and die from aids, and doing the opposite of their gender roles

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've unsubbed from SMG4 ever since they moved to Gmod instead of making their usual SM64 bloopers, so your guess is as good as mine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It has its demographic and is appealing to it anon, that's what you're SUPPOSED to do as an artist. Don't blame TADC for appealing to exactly the kind of people it was aiming for

        If anything that's a good sign, because it shows the people aren't held down by a network or corporation.

        Even if if doesn't appeal to you, it's a still good thing because it proves things made by the people can work.

        The beauty of indie works is that literally anybody can make anything now, You just need to have the right team with a genuine drive behind it, and maybe even more importantly the means to find it in the first place

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I genuinely do not understand how anybody who isn't a teenage girl can stomach that narcassistic self-jerking garbage.
        Because its different and looks good. Hellva boss that is not hazbeen hotel that shit is in the title its hazbeen garbage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tadc succeded because
        >it was bright and colorful and cutesy so the youtube algorithm peddled it to people (mostly kids)
        >goose wasnt world famous but she was far more of an eceleb than vickers with a fanbase wo made their own subreddit so that pushed the view highest
        >speaking of vickers there was also the people who liked murder drones who were curious about something new
        >glitch had its own following of little ipad children because they were rounder by the same people who make the funny gmod ragdoll show featuring mario
        lastly, all the stuff you said and what goose said at momocon

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kids were not the ones watching TADC, that came from Latin America.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes they were, also people into the whole “kid thing but dark deep down” shtick

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No they were not, they were watching LGR.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you HAD to fricking use the pedophile art that?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, I don't have enough Twitter brainworms to give a shit about whatever fake controversy you have

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looking past the colorful and quirky designs is a serious story, kinda like adventure time, steven universe and gravity falls

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People are reading way into TADC. I think it's more likely TADC is one of the only watchable cartoons made recently by a channel with enough viewership to get it any attention, so it is BLOWING UP because what else will you watch? Another video essay about why Star Wars and its related stuff sucks now?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have to wait half a year for an episode. It has never been more over, and we are about to get even more overer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering how much backlash there is from supposed people who worked on the show that claim they where treated like shit I'd say no.

      The entire reason why animation (and in general the west) is because it's now made up of a bunch of lazy and unironic communists who refuse to be anything other than the top turtle. They aren't actually willing to work together or be a grunt. They hate capitalisim and entrepreneurship so much that they will try to destroy anyone who even has a tiny bit of sucsess.

      The girl who does Hellva Boss/Hazbin Hotel is the perfect example. Her shows aren't good but if you look at any of the negativity around the show it's rarely about the writing and jokes, it's always about how the creator is actually a giant butthole where some literally who has total proof of her saying bad words and treating people like shit but they can't release it due to some vague legal reason or something else that has never stopped anyone before till now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not along it won't. It needs like 1 or 2 more instant runaway successes just like it. Suits need to see that this is a viable market for all new entertainment and just a few things doing well is not going to inspire them. It has to be a wave.

      We need Digital Circus to inspire more people to keep doing this and make more content too.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Grim get Ipad

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kinda get the industry only wanting reboots/revivals/continuations/sequels/reboots but why celebrities and live action writers?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A byproduct of the pandemic. Live action writers and showrunners wanted to work, but animation was the only area where shows could be produced while adhering to pandemic restrictions. So there's been a bump in animated projects created by and starring live action people and celebrities.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And how many of those projects have been a success with audiences i wonder?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they think normals will watch because of the name attached to it. Even tho people dont fricking care, they still have not learned this. Pedowood is all out of touch with reality israelites who think they are subversive kings. When in reality everyone under the age of 40 is calling for the economic ban to israel and lettists are starting to bite their masters hands.

      weird rant against elon at the end of this. he's not in charge of these entertainment companies spamming IPs. This is just the natural end product of copyright law. Why make new things if you own old popular thing basically forever? Just remix that, take advantage of its fans forever. This is what the audience wants. the same old bullshit forever. It makes money.

      Amazon you fricking moron not Musk, he's talking shit of Bozo the dumb frick you know the studio who wasted 1.2b on lord of the rangz nigguh: We wuz the kangz(afterall) and poisoned the IP. How the frick do you poison and harm LOTR ip I mean unless "some" group of people did this on purpose because they hate the write and his legacy....

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go leave, homosexual

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason we have Chris Pratt and
      Awkwafina voicing a hundred characters a year, normies see the name of some actor and treat it as a mark of quality for some fricking reason.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not true, normies want Jim Cummings and Rob Paulsen, not Chris Pratt and Jack Black.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Man, you're unfortunately really out of touch. Outside of us interested on animation, no normalgay will know who Rob Paulsen is, unfortunately.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes they do, normies know who Rob Paulsen is.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just sad. I think much like the games industry, Hollywood needs to crash and burn. It has to all go down so it can start over again.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Normies really do love celebrity voice actors.
    Explains why the original Hazbin Hotel voice actors were completely replaced with celebs when it got greenlighted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd think, but it's actually because Vivziepop has a lot of money to burn.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Vivziepop has a lot of money to burn.
        lol
        lmao even
        She knows nothing of managment or running a biz let alone fricking studio. Shes burning money alrught sure as frick doesn't mean at a profit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know that extremely well, this is the same person who writes all her dialogue in discord chats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't, they were pissed when Charles Martinet was doing his characters in the Mario movie, plus it would've made the movie much cheaper to boot.

      Normies want Jim Cummings, not some celebrity voice actor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Normies weren't the ones complaining about Mario's VA in the movie, they probably didn't care. Plenty of them loved the idea of celebrity VA Jack Black playing Bowser however and the movie ended up being a financial success. Normies love celebrities.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's hard not to like Jack Black and he did a good Bowser. Honestly his scenes really stole the film.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He was the only character that wasn't a horrific miscast

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think they got lucky because Jack Black does rock, and his voice is suited for that kind of role.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Jack Black does rock
                god dammit, dude

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The guy who played Toad was decent, same for Kamek. The real miscast is Fred Armisen as Cranky Kong. Not only a bad match, but a completely different character

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes they were, they did care and unless said celebrity is Robin Williams, Gilbert Gottfried, Mark Hamill, Mickey Rooney, Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy they want nothing to do with it.

          People want Jim Cummings, Rob Paulsen, Maurice Lamarche, Frank Welker, Tom Kenny and Bob Bergen, not over priced celebrities.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's the truth.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No it's not, normies were b***hing that Charles Martinet wasn't voicing his characters.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HATEFUL

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My Gym Partner's A Monkey was kino.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FART

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CAHTOON

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"We're letting wealthy tech bros firebomb the very heart of our culture, and it's weird that no one is talking about it. Because (for now) we still have that capability.
    Oof - to the point and painfully succinct.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >our culture

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >That's real concerning, yo.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >properties created by notorious sex pests
    Yeah but that's literally every property ever created. You'll always find some heinous shit about a creator that you disagree with. Guarantee there's some shit he loves made by some evil motherfricker.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason a reboot is ever made is because x creator has an agenda they want to spread to the masses, but they know their original ideas suck ass and nobody will care, so they appropriate an existing popular franchise, shoehorn the idea into it, completely changing the characters and tone of the original IP, then call the fans of that franchise bigots/racists/sexist for criticizing them for doing it.
    Frick Hollywood.
    It's great the all the studios got so greedy trying to compete with Netflix, now nobody goes to the movies to spend 100 bucks on tickets and popcorn in one night when they can spend a few dollars and watch it at home. I hope they all go bankrupt and I'll watch indie shit on youtube all day long.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Told you.
      Article from today.
      https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lucasfilm-ready-defend-acolyte-bigoted-150000440.html

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They only want reboots and are biased towards celebrity and live-action writers
    we know

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    thats why no one watched these shows

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Masameer is kino.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Masameer is kino
        Yeah I was surprised that Saudi Arabia of places produced such a funny cartoon

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exposes
    >says the obvious
    That'd not really exposing

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know Atoms is probably above it, but has he tried pulling the autism card?

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atoms must be blacklisted on adult swim becsuse holy frick there is no fricking way a cartoon made by him wouldnt fit right in current zeitgeist

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adult swim ain’t picking up new shit.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't he just work with Gooseworx and pitch her an aidea for a new cartoon?

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The MBApocalypse has begun. There's finally so many MBAs infesting every corporation that they're destroying it faster than actually talented worthwhile human beings can prop it up for them to consume. We can only watch as everything is slowly destroyed for the sake of next quarters earnings. It's been a privilege to shitpost with you gentlemen.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    funny how the explosion of outrage culture taking over the internet matches so closely with the paris climate accords. almost makes you put on your tinfoil hat and makes you think they're deliberately fostering division over innane shit to distract us from something deadly important to our survival but bad for their profit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right…. Because climate change hasn’t already been highly partisan issue prior to that and social media just made it hyper partisan.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Climate change *shouldn’t* be a partisan issue. It just is. The problem is that corpos have a vested interest in keeping the status quo so they circulate anti-science BS and scientifically illiterate loud mouthed dipshits lap it up because denial is easier than change.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Climate change *shouldn’t* be a partisan issue. It just is. The problem is that corpos have a vested interest in keeping the status quo so they circulate anti-science BS and scientifically illiterate loud mouthed dipshits lap it up because denial is easier than change.

          The opposite is true. The corporations are the ones pushing climate 'science' and expecting us to live in the pods and eat the bugs, while they continue to buy products from and court China and India, the two biggest polluters in the world.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When deranged billionaires own the entirety of our media and want to shape a society where they can’t be criticised.

    Oy vey, Max, you can’t make it too obvious.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Western Animation is dead, I don't see how there is any coming back from such a moribund state

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >western only means the 4th world shithole called USA!

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sad!

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Denying cartoon jobs because of muh principles

    This shit ain't fricking blood diamonds, who gives a shit. Even that moron Robyn knew that it's better to get paid to sabotage than it is to protest for free.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Robyn deserved to get raped

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He denied the cartoons because he hated the people who ran them and knew it would bleed into his work on the shows.
      In any other thread the concept of refusing to do a reboot because you know you would make it shit would be praised.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In any other thread the concept of refusing to do a reboot because you know you would make it shit would be praised.
        The problem is that he's hurting financially when the only reason why he's in that situation is because he doesn't wanna accept any of those job offers. Dude's self destructing all due to his own ego.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He has Aspergers, and integrity is everything to them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real sign of the 'tism here is the info dumping. No neurotypical person would leak these kinds of workplace grievances publically because it can come back to bite you in the ass, that we even know the specific "hateful fart cartoon" line is a testament to how open lipped he is about this stuff. Which sorta gives a hint

        >two of them were properties created by notorious sex pests
        >I don't think any of those projects survived the intervening years
        Huh, I wonder what they were? Can't be Ren and Stimpy since that is definitely still coming out. Who else fits this billing, did he get offered a Loud House spinoff or something?

        It could be stuff we haven't even heard. Most of the #MeToo cases were industry open secrets before they became public and there are still probably a good few like that in there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well I'm thankful he did it, because it needs to be said.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No disagreements but that's a double-edged sword. As an aspie myself, believe me when I say you don't just get to turn the filter back on once you're done sticking it to the powers that be. General rule of thumb is a lot of things become harder than they need to be until you learn to control the filter. In his case, it could be a matter of people he's worked with calling each other up and saying "Trust me, this dude is hell to work with."
            I've heard Faust is in a boat like that to an extent.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Everyone has nothing but good things to say about working with him. And being aspie, he cant help but broadcast his life story on the merit of being "honest" and "upfront". I'd be very surprised if he gets "exposed" as a bad person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He would expose himself first before anybody else would.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          HATEFUL
          FART
          CARTOON!!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kys

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >’tism
          Eh, I’m not on the spectrum and I have done similar. Caveat being that I’m a total alcoholic, so YMMV.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >two of them were properties created by notorious sex pests
    Okay, so Ren and Stimpy. What's the other one?

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but now that you can't legally push toys all day
    Why is that? Are there toy ad regulations?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Paw Patrol proved there are none.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i'm not american but in my country its been 10 years since it became illegal to make toy commercials. It basically killed cartoons on public networks

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like Maxwell but something is weird here, he must have depression or something else because there is no way he can't get a single cartoon in all these years. Billy and Mandy is popular even in japan, he has to be doing something wrong or not really trying

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's one of those people who refuses to accept that hollywood is a business first and doesn't want to work on anything unless it tickels his artistic mind.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's how you know the moron never lived below the middle class. When you're working class, you don't get picky. You do your job and do it well to the best of your abilities. If you grew up with money, then you're likely to not understand that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if you don't take a job cleaning bathroom stalls with your tongue then you must want to be poor

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not Max's situation. Dude got offered to be a showrunner for all these different projects, but he turned down all of them. The guy's just a pansy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              all those unsuccessful unmade projects that dissolved like a fart in the wind?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably because they couldn't get someone reliable to work on them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and THAT'S A GOOD THING!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >there is no way he can't get a single cartoon in all these years
      He said that he could have worked on some BS reboot, but he really doesn't want to do that. Craig McCracken mentioned that he pitched like 14 original ideas, but all the networks were interested in was rebooting PPG and Foster's Home. Dickbag execs just aren't interested in original IPs right now, but for most artists, retreading old ground is fricking boring as shit.

      I'd guess that if push came to shove and he was facing working on a reboot or living on the streets, he'd probably choose the former, but it hasn't come to that yet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reboots aren't just dull, it's trying to fill the shoes of the old show in a different time and place. It's awkward and a bit disrespectful if you didn't already have a plan and tons of excitement for it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not disagreeing with you. Frick reboots.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not if you're rebooting something that was kind of crap before, into something that's genuinely much better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dickbag execs just aren't interested in original IPs right now, but for most artists, retreading old ground is fricking boring as shit.
        Original IPs aren't guaranteed sellers. Remember, these companies made a lot of shit financial decisions so they can't afford to depend on new IPs and instead see the tried and true as the better bet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Original IPs aren't guaranteed sellers.
          Turns out neither are reboots turns out execs are just moronic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because they keep on putting the wrong people on them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, people get reboot fatigue, especially now that reboots are politicized and the business management natural response to politicization is to make something that appeals to nobody.

              It's never been safer to make something new, even if it's just an adaptation of something that was spared that brush. Barbie is a middling movie and bad at its own concept, but it was at least a bad performance done without executive meddling, so it can be improved.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People get reboot fatigue because most reboots just aren't good.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >instead see the tried and true as the better bet.
          I know that's what they think, but as it turns out they're fricking wrong. Running a network is about risk. They need to take a chance on a show for it to potentially become the next spongebob (and give it enough time and budget to see if it could be that). The reboots have a certain amount of nostalgia to it that will help get eyes on it, but the potential to become a mega-hit is much lower and in the long run, people get bored.

          They want all reward and no risk and it's killing their business.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If the merch doesn't sell, it's no good. Merch is what makes the money, not the show itself. Y'all can b***h about them cancelling all these shows, but if their merch sold like shit, it was never meant to be.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              most of the shows getting canceled never had merch made, moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rise of the TMNT had merch, surprisingly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >most

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why doesn't CN Cater to the fan base there like they did with the Fan base of Johnny Bravo in India by doing that TV Special 13 years ago?

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I turned down every offer i got and now they don't bother contacting me

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Max is part of the reason why cartoons are shit, he makes a joke on this without even realizing it. He's one of those people who refuses to accept that Hollywood and art is an industry. He thinks working on reboots is a waste of time and is artistic trash when in reality thesw reboots are trash because people with talent and understanding and respect for the IP are dumb enough to refuse the work instead of continuing to support it. Just look at the 90s. Bruce Timm didn't scoff at the idea of rebooting Batman, intead he took it and elevated it to the prestige it rightfully desvered. He both kept Batmans name unscathed while still making it his own thing to express his artistic ego.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Guys like him think they're too good for those projects. He's an egomaniac.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    blacklisted hateful fart artist

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    White pigs ugly big-eyed wienerroaches Danes are weak and unpleasant insects Comedy people who surrendered to the Nazis in 4 hours White people must be exterminated

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Besides Scott Marmel. All the episodes Max wrote/storyborded are all muscle fetish stuff as well. Surprisingly Grim Adventures didn't have hardly any Besides one episode

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wahh reboots of old problematic shows are also problematic and their creators doing a bad makes me look bad if I did the reboot
    What a fricking homosexual.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is why I have no qualms about outsourcing production to outside the US. Too many egomaniacs at home, too much bullshit.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not too far off from what Craig McCracken said when someone asked him why he was rebooting PPGs and Fosters Home despite him pitching 16 shows to Netflix

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Motherfricker was given 6 years at Cartoon Network and multiple shows and TV movies and became the face of the network then acted like it wasn't enough. Where is Dead Meat?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Dead Meat
      That was cancelled due to some voice acting strike

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >then acted like it wasn't enough
      oh yeah he still needs work moron, he's running out of money

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >then acted like it wasn't enough.
      probably isn't, i doubt he gets a hell of a lot in residuals or merch sales

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Where is Dead Meat?
      Got turbofricked because he used a half union and half-non union crew so most of the work had to be scrapped due to legal reasons.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cinemaphilembulr shitting on Maxwell Atoms because he didn't want to do a reboot and kept trying hard to make an original show
    God this place just gets worse and worse

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much do you bet that a lot of people itt are a bunch of seething industrygays for getting exposed?
      No one likes their tumblrina reboots

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i think they just dislike artists complaining about literally anything, since they're part of ((them)) or whatever.

        I just watched a Teen Titans Go! he did.

        was it any good?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lightning doesn't trike twice.
      Original is good but it's not going to come from the same person

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Again, the issue is that he's putting himself in poverty all because he doesn't want to check his ego at the door and play ball. It's just a paycheck.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what part of 'i passed up the shit work when there was good work available, and now only shit is available' is hard for you

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And whose fault is that? Him.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Robin Byrd's, Genevieve Tsai's, Gabe Swar's, Wellesley Wild's, Erin Gibson's and Katie Rice's fault.

            They should've never let soccermoms win and still do merch for cartoons, dammit.

            Soccer moms had nothing to do with that, that was John Kricfalusi's doing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Soccer moms had nothing to do with that
              Anon, media watchdogs and parental groups filled to the brim with soccermoms threw a shitfit at those "30 minute toy commercial" cartoons until they managed to impact it. People were MAD when Reagan allowed marketing aimed at kids.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't know who John Kricfalusi is.
                John Kricfalusi entered the animation industry to stop the 30 minute toy commercial cartoons and won almost single handily, the rest came from Toshihiko Masuda and Kenji Hachizaki.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know John K and his b***hing and trajectory, but listening to said groups also meant potential political leeway for any senator willing to use it to its advantage per usual.
                One man, however influential via R&S, can't change a whole industry alone.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >won almost single handily
                It was the combined efforts of the first three Nicktoons, whether you like them or not. One could argue Doug had more influence, walking so other slice of life kids shows could run.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >won almost single handily
                The fricker got kicked off his own cartoon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >John Kricfalusi entered the animation industry to stop the 30 minute toy commercial cartoons and won almost single handily
                You just gobble up his self-generated propaganda, huh?

                Ren and Stimpy was part of a block of original non-toy-commercial cartoon programming created by Vanessa Coffey. It also included Rugrats and Doug. The program was a massive success and both Jim Jinkins and Klasky Csupo went on to work on subsequent non-toy-related projects. The latter became such a force that they essentially dominated the animation scene for the entirety of the 90's with shows such as Duckman, Aaahh!!! Real monsters, Santo Bugito, The Wild Thornberrys, Stressed Eric, Rocket Power, As Told by Ginger, Rugrats spinoffs, Immigrants, the McDonald's short film specials, etc. While merchandise for some of these IPs was sold, they were first and foremost cartoons.

                Meanwhile John K. got fired from his own fricking show before he could even make it a full 2 seasons because he was unable to actually turn anything in on time and within budget.

                If anything, Klasky Csupo did more to transform the animation industry into being something more than over-inflated cartoon commercials than John K. ever did. John K. just sucks his own dick harder and tells anyone who will listen that he's a genius. Sometimes idiots believe him.

                Here's a hint, if someone has to tell you that they're really fricking good at something, they're probably not all that good at it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What I quoted is fact.

                John K was the one in charge of the "ending toy-commercial cartoon" movement and Klasky Csupo was just band wagging off of John K's efforts due to getting fired from The Simpsons.

                But if anything by your accounts, Tokyo Movie Shinsha was the one did more to transform the animation industry into being something more than over-inflated cartoon commercials than John K. ever did with the likes of Inspector Gadget, Gummi Bears, DuckTales, The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, Tiny Toon Adventures, Batman:TAS, Animaniacs and Laura Haruna, problem was that TMS wanted more then when the Americans were willing to give them (especially when it comes to money) TMS got fired (on top of money laundering for their own local projects) and most of their crew either went freelance (including the 2 men who were the reason why TMS was god-tier in those days, which were Toshihiko Masuda and Kenji Hachizaki who were directors from their Telecom department) or went straight to Ghibli (only for the later to retire after finishing The Wind Rises) hence why they fall from grace (see Four Knights of the Apocalypse and Sakamoto Days).

                Klasky Csupo was a leach to John K and TMS' efforts at most.

                Jim Jinkins is irrelevant to this.

                News flash; If someone has to tell you that they're really fricking good at something, they're are that good at it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > the one in charge of the "ending toy-commercial cartoon"
                Kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, you were not alive during that time.
                John K fought and won.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you were not alive during that time
                kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No kek, fact.

                western animation will always be held back because the west refuses to think that animation can be anything more than children's bullshit. IF it's not for trying to sell toys or merch the west doesn't give a shit.

                Because cartoons are expensive and need merch to make a profit. Ratings/views do not translate to money, but popularity. It's just a way of showing how much the merch might sell. Cartoons are glorified advertisements for the shit that actually makes money.

                Not true, John K proved that you can make cartoons without resorting to hawking toys.

                WE ARE NOT GOING BACK TO THE DARKEST DAYS OF THE 1980s!!!!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ads, syndication and merch was what was needed to have a show make money. The show itself isn't profitable. It's needs those other things to make a profit., to make money.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That already got debunked by John K decades ago, you don't need any of that, you just need to entertain as doing thing just for money is one of the worst things you can do.

                What you just posted is literal communism.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then how do the investors make their money back? They ain't funding this shit pro-Bono. They want a return on their investment and then some. And to do that, you need to make a profit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leach off of something else or much better yet, DON"T, Ren and Stimpy was funded with Double Dare money when it got made.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Leach off of something else or much better yet
                Leach how? They're the ones paying for everything. It's their money that makes these projects happen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ren and Stimpy was funded with Double Dare money when it got made.
                That only works with a surplus. You need to make big money to not be struggling going that route.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which Double Dare was.
                We are not going back the the hellscape that was the 1980s.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the system is fricked. "Investors" buy in at the current value of a company's stock, and then they want it to grow. What happens if the company has already reached it's maximum potential? The late investors either need to make peace with the fact that they bought too late (that will never happen), or the company will need to continue to find ways to show that they're making profits. If they've already broken record profits and can't keep doing better, they start cannibalizing the company itself to keep the illusion going just a little longer.

                This is where we are now. Instead of making shows that actually make more money, the company starts slashing their investment so the profits LOOK like they're keeping pace or doing better. But you can only cut costs to a certain point before it becomes blatantly obvious to the public and suddenly the product that they were happy to financially support becomes an unrecognizable pile of shit. Animation gets shittier, writing gets worse, seasons get shorter, and in general, the product starts to suck.

                The infinite growth model is an illusion. At some point, businesses reach terminal velocity. Then they either self-destruct or get bought out at a cheap price and the cycle continues.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WE ARE NOT GOING BACK TO THE DARKEST DAYS OF THE 1980s!!!!
                Meanwhile we have spent the last 20 years constantly reliving the 80s, bringing back things from the 80s, rebooting 80s franchises, making up to date sequels of 80s franchises, making movies that worship all things 80s, sticking 80s music into modern movies as much as possible, and overturned the entire entertainment industry to pretty much only ever use and re-use 80s IPs forever and ever and ever and ever.....

                ..but yeah no, you are totally right we are never ever going to do anything 80s ever again and pretend it was the worst time for everyone ever..

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny how often they try to remake an 80s or 90s cartoon and it always ends up way worse than the original. They would have been better off just playing the re-runs and putting the same old toys back in stores.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Has that ever been tried? Have they ever just slapped reruns on tv and placed toys on shelves for it with no new show or reboot anything?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it worked for Looney Tunes for decades.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Transformers Generation 2 comes to mind. They just rereleased the older toys but with different stickers on them or different color plastic. The show was reruns of the old series but with some machine looking border on all corners of the screen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They did it again for the 40th anniversary screenings too, with a new voice work added to that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Inspector Gadget had a full line of toys about ten years after the show came out. The show was in syndication for years, but around 1993ish they released a figure line and vehicles. No new season that I remember. It was just for the old show that DiC loved to parade around a lot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Klasky was not fired from Simpsons, they were hired by Film Roman to make a show under someone else's direction and dealing with Fox corporate culture in the process. While the move over to Nickelodeon gave them total creative control over their own works which was a much more appealing deal for them. The rest of their 90s output they had creative control over their own works, except for two CBS shows, and that is always the preferred position for any studio.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like how you're trying to reason with the brain-dead John K. gay.
                At this point it's pretty fricking obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the dude is a total hack. He had a lot of potential, but he seemed content to be that guy instead of actually realizing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                John must have pissed off the ~~*bosses*~~ of the industry. They tried to make an example of him but he still won.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he's putting himself in poverty
        God he homosexuals act like he's homeless on the street, he's struggling a bit now but it's not the end of the world

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just watched a Teen Titans Go! he did.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >was it any good?
      Yeah

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The industry deserves to die at this rate.
    Then maybe people will move on to better things.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dude they all expect to be Genndy Tartakovsky?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's a israelite

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >live-action writers

    But why though? Are they cheaper?

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CN Real was a mistake

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with reboots is that they think they can resell and old product with modern sensitivities when people would rather watch the original even if it is offensive.

    Plus, they cancelled all shows, not even giving them a chance to grow and become the next Simpsons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people would rather watch the original even if it is offensive
      Unless it's really old and shitty.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sad!

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No shit?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not funny

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Offered reboots because as we've seen, the new stuff created by the current batch of creatives is navelgazing lgbtq shit that nobody wants to watch
    >Turns the reboots down
    Thankfully, the reboots would have been shit.

    This industry is grasping at its last straws and that's a good thing.

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always wonder why people in the industry make such a huge deal over "sex pests" while working with literal pedophiles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >while working with literal pedophiles
      Just say 'jews'

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We are on a positive path with successful indie cartoons. Same thing is happening now that happened with video games in the early 2010s - complete lack of creativity and companies shoving the same IPs down our throats with no oversight. Then steam got big and indie devs had a place to go - now we have indie games making millions of dollars. Look at digital circus and Hazbin and shit - soon indie animators will take over and the media companies will be shitting themselves

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was already an anon here who said that indie projects pay significantly less than mainstream projects. The only positive is having more creative control.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those lack soul

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda just seems like he doesn't want to work at all tbh

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They only want reboots and are biased towards celebrity and live-action writers
    No shit.
    This is news to you?

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maxwell Atoms exposes his butthole, goatse style.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rejected a pitch of Scooby Doo for being too off-brand

    What's their problem? How off-brand do you have to be when they did a Supernatural crossover and a spinoff with the style and humor of Brickleberry?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How off-brand do you have to be when they did a Supernatural crossover
      That was limited to Supernatural the show.
      >spinoff with the style and humor of Brickleberry
      The style, sure. The humor, frick no. It was still very much for kids.

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Max has a Well?

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes it feels like all the people who would’ve gotten into animation, indie or otherwise, are trying to break into vidya instead. And that’s where we’re getting all the “deep” walking simulators like Hellblade 2 from.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He’s right

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he does have a point, we're just in a (seemingly) endless cycle of IP regurgitation to get people to point and look at the current thing, thing is it's been getting harder and harder to do that because they're running out of old things to vomit back up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When Shrek 5 bombs, I'll be happy.

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a creator, I understand the need to work on an IP show just for the paycheck.

    However as an adult who still enjoys animation, I just want to watch MeTV Toons and never go near anything made after 1999 ever again.

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How in the frick did john K become some kind of prophet that people look to for deeply held wisdom? What happened there?

    The man is a fricking loser that has nothing but a string of miserable failures and never has gotten a single project to a second season in 35 years. The only project that did well, did it after he was fired and those same people went on to form Games Animation and create the most successful show in Nickelodeon history. At best he comes off as a bitter ranting butthole that thinks the world wronged him when he burned every bridge being a bitter angry butthole.

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