>something something looks like shit >something something death of the mcu >something something superhero fatigue >something something sjws bad
There just laid out what the thread is gonna be like
I was on a marvel subreddit, and counted how often they used the worlds "God', "Heavenly", Faith" (all used as off handed expressions, like "I have faith Captin America will....").
It was 2 times as often as religous subreddits. And FIVE TIMES as often as a gamer thread.
This means, Marvel Fanboys are trying to turn consooming into a religion.
Because it honestly looks like shit. Aquaman was the only DC movie that would match the MCU in both box office and a similar level of quality. Why even try to go against it? Yeah, Namor is a well known dude, that doesn't mean it's obligatory for them to use him.
It doesn't matter which character is well known to comics fans,. There aren't enough comics fans alive to make a difference. What counts is which characters the studio thinks will appeal to the general public. Comics fans aren't too important to movie makers.
>They're making him Mayan, not Atlantean
Maybe they are throwing in the Mu Urban legend?
I know that Mu is on the other side of the planet in myth, but I find it culturally intersting.
FYI, Mu is a made up theory that Mayans, Egyptians and the Japanese are once one Stone Age culture that worship the Sun, and that they were from a destroyed continent in the Pacific.
Mu was invented by James Churchward as I recall and he wrote several lengthy books that were fun but not encumbered by any sort of evidence. There was also Lemuria, as forgotten now as the hypothetical twin of Earth that orbited the Sun in such a way that we never see it.
It's the opposite they are turning the world upside down because of them the world are like this now, we are children of Gods, little gods we should be living in a world where all people could do what the apostles did but they ruined everything then and they are still turning the world upside down now >they are desperate because their time is running out
Completely wrong. People have been saying the world is falling apart for at least five thousand years. It doesn't mean a thing. Real world problems stem from resources, available land, weather conditions, crops, diseases, stuff like that. Moral codes have zero affect on whether nations flourish or decline, that's a fallacy.
Kevin Feige's lack of taste is something uh? Man, what the frick is this hair? You know what the bad part is? Feige will listen to all the criticism and won't care, he's too arrogant
I almost can't believe they went for the green trunks but I'm glad they did that instead of Tumblr pretty boi
If only they didn't over design costumes to oblivion
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They're part of the costume now. It doesn't even make sense. Namor had them because he was GrecoRoman in nature and thus had the Hermes Wings. This doesn't even fit.
He only needs the bird wings in his ankles and we'll have another perfect MCU frickup.
Since MCU Namor is now an Aztec or whatever the frick, maybe the Inhumans could be the "Atlanteans" who left for the Moon. Their names are all GrecoRoman anyhow. Medusa, Gorgon, Triton, Maximus. Attilan sounds close too.
That is not the costume he is most known for and usually he wears a lot less. Namor is the b***hy aquaman who wears a speedo and fricked Sue Storm. It hurts but you have to accept it.
Its unironically one of the more comic accurate costumes (not in face but who the frick expects them to replacate the knock off spock tragedy that is namors comic face)
>haha those old comic designs are LAME >LOOK AT HOW MUCH BETTER THIS ONE IS >NO IM NOT BASING MY OPINON ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
https://i.imgur.com/BlvtwUU.jpg
Leaked promo art for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
https://i.imgur.com/OjER38r.jpg
Attuma the rapist
https://i.imgur.com/luZZIl4.jpg
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The wings aren't part of his shoes
Mesoamerican history nerd, I sort of think it's shit.
I like the earrings, nose plugs, and lip piercings on Namor. Those are pretty authentic (
https://i.imgur.com/OjER38r.jpg
Attuma the rapist
's less so, but still not bad, the earrings for both are actual real examples of royal earrings we've found), but I don't have much else positive to say.
The arm/leg bands are fine, those existed and I think the sci-fi engravings is excusable but the collar/pectoral garments and especially the headdress in the fancier outfit are a lot more just "generic media sterotypes" of Mesoamerican fashion then anything historically rooted. Headdresses and pectorals WERE a thing, but not really as most media depictions use them in either context or specific appearance. The headdress here might unironically be one of the worst i've ever seen, though if I had to give some concessionary compliments, I like the turquiose mosiac and some of the nose/forhead/cheek guard pieces resemble some details on Maya sculptures, but it's really still just throwing shit together, and the gold ornamentation on that outfit remind me more of Southeast Asia then even media sterotypes of Mesoamerica.
I also dislike using Tepeyollotl here, which seems to only be used so they can have a Jaguar vs a Black panther as a big feline thematic clash. Tepeyollotl has no links to the water or ocean or the sea whatsoever, there's like 10 other dieities or monsters that would have worked better. Tlaloc in particular would have been an excellent choice not just because of those associations and the fact that they're already fricking naming the city after Tlaloc's realm, but also because Tlaloc like most other Mesoamerican rain gods actually is thought to have roots from early Olmec were-jaguar deities, that's why Tlaloc still retains fangs in most depictions.
Also watch Onyx Equinox, it is both Cinemaphile and the best commercial handling of Mesoamerica i've ever seen.
Thanks for the input. Of course, movie adaptations of a fantasy character are going to be way different from any historical background. That goes without saying,. Even films set in an era as recent as the 19th Century American West are not going to use authentical slang and cursing, nor clothing or attitudes if the filmmakers think audiences won't accept those elements.
Obviously fictional media or even historically rooted ones are going to make tweaks in the process of adapating the material or setting, I don't mind that, the issue is when the people doing it clearly didn't do research or don't care enough to actually incorporate the real themes and motifs or history in a way that still retains it's identity.
As I said, what they're doing with Namor is basing his stuff more on media sterotypes and popular imagination of what Mesoamerica is then what it actually is, without seemingly understanding what that is.
Onyx Equinox, which I brought up before, made up it's own designs for their gods rather then taking a direct adapation of a specific manuscript depiction, but the designs still clearly work within Aztec diety iconography and what's critical to each god in a way that shows the people behind the show knew what they were doing. Even something like Road to El Dorado or the upcoming Aztec batman thing I think does it better then this.
>I also dislike using Tepeyollotl here, which seems to only be used so they can have a Jaguar vs a Black panther as a big feline thematic clash
This is the most comic book shit ever
Yeah but again, they could hgave given feline elements to Tlaloc even if it's a bit of a stretch and it'd work better then Tepeyollotl, even something like an Ahuizotl (for dog vs cat) reframed as a god even if it was more just a legendary creature then a diety
This also looks like Kotal Kahn
Outfit reminds me of Kotal Kahn from Mortal Kombat
Because kotal's design is also based on generic pop culture ideas of Mesoamerican stuff, but at least his moveset and concept is well done even if his design isn't so much.
It's not that the filmmakers don't care, it's that they have no reason to stay accurate to the actual civilizations. This is a fantasy movie about a fictional empire loosely inspired by real societies. It's not a documentary and doesn't claim to be. You can't criticize a movie about Camelot for not being accurate about the details of life in whatever era you decide the stories take place, it's a fantasy and you enjoy it on that basis.
It's not an issue of literal accuracy, as you say, it's fantasy. But even, say, Disney's hercules still incorporates actual elements of Ancient Greek clothing, art, architecture, and mythology in a way that, while taking a ton of liberties to a cartoonish degree, still understands the material it's putting it's own spin on and the fundamental concept still represents the base culture.
That isn't happening here and it doesn't happen with most Mesoamerican influences in media. I cannot think of an example or an analogy to convey this because I don't even know of any other ancient or historical culture that gets handled like this. The closest comparsion I can think of would be how Mortal Kombat uses Asian influences, but even that isn't the same because people KNOW MK is over the top, inauthentic fluff and they have a frame of reference for what actual Japanese or Chinese motifs are. People don't have that for Mesoamerica. (andin part, MK is INTENTIONALLY doing it, wheras with Mesoamerica being handled how it is, it's because people legit just don't know better)
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see your point, but it seems you're emotionally too invested in this culture to accept a fantasy film about an imaginary civilization not matching up to a real historical civilization. It's like Robin Hood, Camelot or the Mythical West.
>media sterotypes and popular imagination of what Mesoamerica is then what it actually is, without seemingly understanding what that is.
Welcome to shallow woke creative process
I don't think it's a woke thing: Like yes, there are absolutely corporations just randomly using nonwhite cultures to seem inclusive without doing research, but right/conservative leaning takes on Mesoamerica tend to be awful too.
Also, Onyx Equinox, which is the best I've seen Mesoamerican cultures done, was made by the same team who did High Guardian Spice which people decry as the epitome of SJW wokeness. (from what I understand it being seen as that was mostly due to Crunchyroll's choice in marketing rather then anything the staff itself wanted to advertise it like that)
I see your point, but it seems you're emotionally too invested in this culture to accept a fantasy film about an imaginary civilization not matching up to a real historical civilization. It's like Robin Hood, Camelot or the Mythical West.
I mean, yeah, part of it is that I am a massive obessive nerd with this stuff, but it's also just that Mesoamerican (and Andean) influences just legit are handled like shit 99.99% of time, wheras Greece, Rome, Egypt, Japan, China, tend to also have some fantasical-but-authentic, and actually-accurate depictions some of the time too, in addition to the schlock.
Also, again, with those most people at least know the basics about the topic to know when something is fantasy vs accurate; wheras people know jack shit about prehispanic stuff so they actually internalize the bullshit as representing reality. I'm more postive then negative on stuff like The Road to El Dorado too, it's not like my standards are sky high, I just want more then the bare minimum.
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Anyways, for both of you, i'd rather answer questions and infodump about Mesoamerican history and civilization then whine about stuff, if anybody is curious
2 years ago
Anonymous
You do have me curious what Mesoamerican stuff "really" looked like and what themes or whatever pop culture is getting wrong at this point
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think, ironically, the Aztec, despite being the most famous Mesoamerican culture, are the best example of this.
Many of the stereotypical elements of Mesoamerican stuff in pop culture, such as jungles, huge headdresses, pectoral/collar garments, tattoos, bone ornamentation, etc, are basically not a thing at all or only in very specific circumstances to the Aztec.
The Aztec were located in the semi-arid to temperate hills and valleys in Central Mexico, the jungle was hundreds of kilometers away from the core Aztec area. Headdresses weren't a common part of their fashion in either a ceremonial, secular/domestic, or martial context (there were some ceremonial and martial headdresses, such as the type "Montezuma's headdress" was, but they're rare, and not the Aztec version of a crown, that's a gold or more often a turquoise mosaic triangular diadem) . Tattoos were pretty rare, if not entirely absent, and collar garments weren't a thing outside of some (again, uncommon) ceremonial garments and attached to some tilmatli cloaks. Bone ornamentation Apocalypto style wasn't a thing in Mesoamerica really AT ALL. Like you had some bone used in israeliteellery, but we're usually talking about like animal bone and it's carved/polished as a bead. I guess it's not out of the question maybe mosiac masks which used skulls of sacrifices as a base could have been worn or carried around, but those are ceremonial offerings, not a garment.
I've seen people mistake actual authentic depictions of Aztec architecture or clothing as being Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or especially Minoan; and accurate depictions of Aztec clothing, especially for women, being mistaken for Korean or Japanese clothing and hairstyles. I don't have an image comparing media sterotypes vs reality (I really should make one), but i'll post a compilation of Aztec architecture (pic) and then one of clothing to give you a basic idea (and i'd be happy to dump even more)
2 years ago
Anonymous
You do have me curious what Mesoamerican stuff "really" looked like and what themes or whatever pop culture is getting wrong at this point
And then here's a clothing pic.
The artist here is Kamazotz/Zotzcomic, they do a lot of infographs and art of MEsoamerican fashion and have a webcomic. The artists in the architecture compilation are listed at the bottom of the image in addition to autistic nitpick note, in the interest of intellectual honesty
It's also worth noting that "Aztec" can mean like a dozen things, from the whole broader group of Nahua cultures/their collective civilization, to the Mexica subgroup of Tenochtitlan (and Tlatelolco) in particular, to the "Aztec Empire" which included both Nahua and non-Nahua (Maya, Zapotec, Mixtrec, Otomi, Huastec, Totonac, etc) subject and vassal states... and also some Nahua states were NOT in that empire. There's like a dozen other pedantic variations here, but tl;dr I'm using "Aztec" here to mean the Nahuas in general but primarily the Mexica (while the art I posted is Mexica specific, though most other Nahua groups would have had pretty similar clothing and architecture)
Anyways, the Maya, in contrast, were in the jungle, did have wider use of headdresses and pectoral garments, especially for rulers; and tatoos, but the way they get used is still quite different from most media depictions. As it applies to architecture/cities, a thing media usually does is show temples in ruins with worn grey stone and then surronded by maybe a few huts and jungles, but across all cultures in the region monumental structures had smooth stucco and painted frescos/murals, reliefs, sculptural facades, friezes, etc, and in addition to pyramids/temples you had palaces, ballcourts, plazas, aquaduct and resevoir systems, and you had suburbs of commoner residences around the city centers, intersperesed with agricultural land, which was landscaped
Part of it is also just that, you know, these were functioning societies with actual infrastructure, courts and judges, diplomats, merchants, artisans, farmers, masons, kids playing games, etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/n17ryaT.jpg
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And then here's a clothing pic.
The artist here is Kamazotz/Zotzcomic, they do a lot of infographs and art of MEsoamerican fashion and have a webcomic. The artists in the architecture compilation are listed at the bottom of the image in addition to autistic nitpick note, in the interest of intellectual honesty
It's also worth noting that "Aztec" can mean like a dozen things, from the whole broader group of Nahua cultures/their collective civilization, to the Mexica subgroup of Tenochtitlan (and Tlatelolco) in particular, to the "Aztec Empire" which included both Nahua and non-Nahua (Maya, Zapotec, Mixtrec, Otomi, Huastec, Totonac, etc) subject and vassal states... and also some Nahua states were NOT in that empire. There's like a dozen other pedantic variations here, but tl;dr I'm using "Aztec" here to mean the Nahuas in general but primarily the Mexica (while the art I posted is Mexica specific, though most other Nahua groups would have had pretty similar clothing and architecture)
Anyways, the Maya, in contrast, were in the jungle, did have wider use of headdresses and pectoral garments, especially for rulers; and tatoos, but the way they get used is still quite different from most media depictions. As it applies to architecture/cities, a thing media usually does is show temples in ruins with worn grey stone and then surronded by maybe a few huts and jungles, but across all cultures in the region monumental structures had smooth stucco and painted frescos/murals, reliefs, sculptural facades, friezes, etc, and in addition to pyramids/temples you had palaces, ballcourts, plazas, aquaduct and resevoir systems, and you had suburbs of commoner residences around the city centers, intersperesed with agricultural land, which was landscaped
Part of it is also just that, you know, these were functioning societies with actual infrastructure, courts and judges, diplomats, merchants, artisans, farmers, masons, kids playing games, etc
Do you work at some college or something?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, just a hobby, at least for now.
Also here's a piece by mossacannibalis which demonstrates what I mean about actual Aztec woman fashion probably being closer to Japanese then what most people think of as "Aztec"
2 years ago
Anonymous
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Do you work at some college or something?
https://i.imgur.com/n17ryaT.jpg
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And then here's a clothing pic.
The artist here is Kamazotz/Zotzcomic, they do a lot of infographs and art of MEsoamerican fashion and have a webcomic. The artists in the architecture compilation are listed at the bottom of the image in addition to autistic nitpick note, in the interest of intellectual honesty
It's also worth noting that "Aztec" can mean like a dozen things, from the whole broader group of Nahua cultures/their collective civilization, to the Mexica subgroup of Tenochtitlan (and Tlatelolco) in particular, to the "Aztec Empire" which included both Nahua and non-Nahua (Maya, Zapotec, Mixtrec, Otomi, Huastec, Totonac, etc) subject and vassal states... and also some Nahua states were NOT in that empire. There's like a dozen other pedantic variations here, but tl;dr I'm using "Aztec" here to mean the Nahuas in general but primarily the Mexica (while the art I posted is Mexica specific, though most other Nahua groups would have had pretty similar clothing and architecture)
Anyways, the Maya, in contrast, were in the jungle, did have wider use of headdresses and pectoral garments, especially for rulers; and tatoos, but the way they get used is still quite different from most media depictions. As it applies to architecture/cities, a thing media usually does is show temples in ruins with worn grey stone and then surronded by maybe a few huts and jungles, but across all cultures in the region monumental structures had smooth stucco and painted frescos/murals, reliefs, sculptural facades, friezes, etc, and in addition to pyramids/temples you had palaces, ballcourts, plazas, aquaduct and resevoir systems, and you had suburbs of commoner residences around the city centers, intersperesed with agricultural land, which was landscaped
Part of it is also just that, you know, these were functioning societies with actual infrastructure, courts and judges, diplomats, merchants, artisans, farmers, masons, kids playing games, etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you ever wander if you have enough knowledge to become your job?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've been told by some people I'm about as knowledgeable as some of their graduate students.
But i'm also cognizant that part of being an expert in a field isn't just knowledge, but is also knowing how to sift through existing research and knowing the historiography of that research and evaluating their methodology and knowing if a given paper or study or academic book and their findings is well regarded by other researchers. I try to keep up with such things, but it's tough without university access to journals and old out of print sources (I do what I can with open access ones/scihub) and what research is well regarded or not is something you just have to pick up via osmosis and gradual expierence, which is harder as an outsider.
I'd love to pursue it professionally, but I've had a series of IRL issues for around a decade now since I left HS and haven't had the opportunity to go for higher education seriously, and historical, museum, archeology, etc stuff is extremely competitive with almost no jobs, and It's probably an unwise descision to go into it, especially with loans, in a field like that, especially when I've already blown most of my 20s and I've lost my time to take risks: If I go for it and it takes a decade to get a PHD and i'd be like 40, i'd have no backup plan if it doesn't work out
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but why are you even so interested in those things? Are you an injun yourself and trying to find your roots?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah I just think it's cool.
The Road to El Dorado really got me interested in the topic as a kid (as it did for a lot of people I know), the way it blended these really interesting, fantastic pyramids and temples and geometric designs with jungle and lakes built into them stuck with me, but it only was a superficial preference through my childhood and teens for the aesthetic.
It was only when I was finishing HS that I found out that Mesoamerican cities really did have botanical gardens and canals and resevoir networks built into them and had integrated farms in the suburbs or managed agroforestry groves that then got me interested in reading about Mesoamerican urbanism, architecture, and water management systems in depth and from there I just went balls deep.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Huh. Cool then, good on (you) for finding something you care about. I always found hispanics too disgusting looking to care about them.
>I also dislike using Tepeyollotl here, which seems to only be used so they can have a Jaguar vs a Black panther as a big feline thematic clash
This is the most comic book shit ever
Hardly. Mexicans hate African-Americans. You'll actually find that Mexicans are extremely racist and don't put up with their shit like ol' whitey has to, so it's actually very fitting that a movie geared towards African-Americans would have Mexicans be the villains.
I'm not sure how to feel about this as a Mexican. It's nice to see Mayan mythology being represented, but Namor it's an odd choice. As far as I know there aren't that many well known prehispanic deities associated with the sea.
Chalchiuhtlicue was the Aztec goddess of water on Earth while Tlaloc, her partner, was the Aztec god of rain. Sure there are plenty more if you dig into more Mexican history.
honestly, he doesn't look stupid enough. I'm glad he's still strutting around half-naked, but if they didn't want to make him have the classic v-shaped hairline and Spock eyebrows, why not lean a bit into the Sub-mariner: The Depths design and have some shark-like elements to his look?
also the facial hair doesn't work. I know he's had it, but clean-shaven Namor looks better.
>have some shark-like
I've seen artwork, I think from this same guy, with a fricking puma on his head because it looks cool >B but it is not related to the the character at all and it is fricking stupid
Yes.
No, it would be difficult enough to find the materials and flint knap one of those things. It'd be a better representation to have him armed with a macuahuitl, which looks much cooler anyway. It's a comic book movie though, you can't expect any sort of accuracy.
>marvel movies >enemy faction uses spears and/or bows
i swear i stopped paying attention to any mob battle after endgame because of this. literal power rangers tier.
Thought being said, I like if they use Meso American weapons like on this pict
https://i.imgur.com/EiQYOIJ.jpg
Mira este joto. Fricking pandering.
No, it would be difficult enough to find the materials and flint knap one of those things. It'd be a better representation to have him armed with a macuahuitl, which looks much cooler anyway. It's a comic book movie though, you can't expect any sort of accuracy.
I'm not sure how to feel about this as a Mexican. It's nice to see Mayan mythology being represented, but Namor it's an odd choice. As far as I know there aren't that many well known prehispanic deities associated with the sea.
>As far as I know there aren't that many well known prehispanic deities associated with the sea
Well yeah, you don't know about them because you're not from Atlantis of course
I dislike the cultural appropriation. Especially since it looks so gross. Just make him Classic Namor instead of being so try hard. It's like they think culture would have stagnated if it was underwater. Shit is unimaginative and borderline offensive.
i could understand them switching namor up if they'd already leaned heavily on the greek pantheon and we were on hercules 4 or something
i think marvel panicked when dc made a decent and well received movie with aquaman and went as far away from comic namor to avoid being compared
doesn't change the fact that it should have been luke evans as namor
Dude, Marvel has "god race" cities which use hammers/ spears/ etc that's just how they do it.
It's not appropriation, they did it in Thor, Shang Chi, Black Panther, I want to see an Indian one. The Chinese one is disappointing because they made it a fricking hamlet.
You're going to summon mexi anon carefully explaining through hard evidence that your view of those fact is simplistic and the truth is much more complex
im not mexi anon but actual mexico-gay that will never touch the US here, ask anything in you want.
I dig the designs but i have a huge feeling this movie is gonna be a big meme over here.
its gonna be interesting since everyone have rightoid tendencies specially edgelord zoomers. i really want to punch any kid that says "basado" out in public now jesus frick.
>Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
It’s our president being a stupid frick and many stupid fricks drinking his koolaid. We only hate you for your crappy dubs.
>Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
I don't understand the need other anons want for us to hate Spain. What's the end goal here?
Basically, our own version of WE WUZ KANGZ. There's this belief about native civilizations being super advanced masters and Spanish being violent invaders. Dumb stuff.
Everybody on this board is so desperate for every movie to fail that it's hilarious. "I tell you, TITANIC is going to be a flop! No one wants to see a ship sink."
They are going to milk Chadwick Boseman's death so much harder than WB did Ledger's. It's not even funny. Every interview, trailer, tweet will be about how the film is to honor him and people will hork and clap and not acknowledge how incredibly fricked up it is. It'll destroy records at release.
haven't been keeping up with rumors, but do we know if his backstory will still be somewhat similar to the comics? Dad an explorer who fell for the Atlantean (now fish Mayan?) princess and such.
from my vague memories of the plot leaks, mexican atlantis is just mexican wakanda, vibranium landed there, namor isn't a mutant and he gets his wings from his god, they need wakanda's vibranium for some reason
They are hiding the actress who will play Namora, 100% sure she will wear a costume woke like Captain Marvel and the hair is totally wrong, where are the classic receding hairline?
Motherfrickers do it right at least once!
And, yet, unpaid shills will still crimestop whenever you DARE insist that the MCU deliberately fricks over a majority of its adapted characters in either design, personality, or both.
They're part of the costume now. It doesn't even make sense. Namor had them because he was GrecoRoman in nature and thus had the Hermes Wings. This doesn't even fit.
Bill Everett gave Namor ankle wings for no particular reason in 1939. The connection to the god Neptune wasn't mentioned until the mid-1960s. The wings are just more irrational Golden Age silliness (which I love).
>killed Black Panther off-screen >makes entire nations of hispanics and Black folk to genocide each other to steal metals >barely lifted a finger to do it
I dunno bros, MCU Doom seems to be pretty based till now
looks nothing like the character as usual will most likely be written to act nothing like the character as usual
twitter bots will skim thru his wiki page and pretend to be ''Namor superfans'' to defend whatever dumb shit MCU does, rinse and repeat
>Namor is now some underwater Aztec gogo boy
Are they trying some Pillar Man vibes instead of Atlantis? A brazilian gay clothes designer looks more like Namor than this guy
You don't know anything about Atlantis, man, here quoted from Plato:
For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.[21]
>this place that only appears in this culture's myths and writings? >yeah my man it's definitely not cultural appropriation to take it and give it to the other side of the world >now whitey be having dreads that's the real appropriation fr fr no cap on gawd
He had Atlantis at war with an Athens that supposedly existed thousands of years ago as well. It was a political allegory, he didn't think anyone would think Atlantis had actually existed.
>You don't know anything about Atlantis, man, here quoted from Plato:
The only thing we know about Atlantis IS from Plato and that he was making an allegory about the enemies of the city-state of Athens.
Stop getting your history from twitter before you start kangzing out, dipshit.
I imagine someone telling Plato that thousands of years later people would think Atlantis had really existed. He'd say, you're pulling my leg, no one's that dumb.
>maybe in the Marvel comics.
The ones the fricking BLACK PANTHER movie is poorly adapting? The ones you clearly haven't read? At least read a fricking wiki
You guys should realize that movies are made for the mass audiences. There aren't enough comics fans alive to make a difference. Know this from the start and enjoy the movies on their own terms.
More importantly, unlike with DC, Marvel Atlantis has no lore anyone cares about to draw from. The design, origins, technology level, system of government, supporting cast of Atlantis in Marvel never stays the same from writer to writer.
These guys know absolutely nothing about how film works. Since Humphrey Bogart and Alan Ladd, short actors have been presented convincingly on screen. Or maybe they think the Hobbits were actually three feet tall?
I'm an Aquaman fan so I've never given a single frick about Namor The Submariner. To me he's just an butthole fish boy. But with that said, I do think the Aztec/Mayan aesthetic they've gone with is at least visually distinct and cool. Are Namorgays (implying there are any) happy or upset with the change?
I'm a huge fan, but while I'm happy to see him acknowledged in some way and that they're apparently not going to make him a total villain like I thought (They're basing a lot on Ultimate FF so far), I'm mostly indifferent. Setting ANY character up in something that's gone through rewrite hell like this is never a good sign.
So the South American thing isn't a dealbreaker for you? I don't how I'd feel if Aquaman got that kind of makeover. Then again Namor's look, or lack thereof, may allow for more creative liberties. At least he has wing feet and green shorts.
>So the South American thing isn't a dealbreaker for you?
I'd ideally like to have characters look as accurate as possible, but it is what it is. When you're dealing with a fictional race where most members are blue, anything's a go.
Plus, after years of seeing Namor trashed on here (It's not all just spam from Tommy), I kind of feel ambivalent. People rarely ever acknowledged Namor on Cinemaphile outside of cucking Reed jokes and Spidey Super Stories memes that got old when UseNet was young, but suddenly seeing them all act like they care when racial issues come up just makes me not want to join in.
>(implying there are any)
Most people who claim to be supefans of any character that is not A-list are mostly lying and people will complain about any adaptation just because. This will probably be bad because current Marvel is wavering and a bit bland, not hitting home runs but making too much, especially with the streaming shows.
Them completely changing the aesthetic of Atlanteans and Namor was kind of a given because of Aquaman and other things beyond their control.
>Most people who claim to be supefans of any character that is not A-list are mostly lying and people will complain about any adaptation just because. >"ALL NEGATIVITY IS LIES BECAUSE I SAID SO"
Cinemaphile is so fricking spineless
Do you know how when an adaptation comes out people rush out to get the book to say they read the book and tell their friends that movie isn't like the book? No where did I say everyone is lying. People constantly complain about adaptations and sometimes it is completely valid and sometimes it isn't. All adaptations by their very nature change things for a variety of reasons and people are completely arbitrary sometimes about what they complain about. Sometimes they are not. Nothing I said was spineless in anyway. People just always predictably get mad at adaptations. And many of these mad people pretend they are superfans. And many of them are not. People just love to imply an emotional connection to products.
As if comics don't change shit every fricking week. People get mad. They change it back or keep getting worse. Instead of just enjoying the things you like or following good creative teams, people just get mad over their hero being ruined, despite the fact that if you read any character from the beginning there would be runs you liked and runs you didn't like. So a lot of people getting mad feels contrived as frick.
I don't care about your fallacy, anon. Fans are gonna come out to complain about a shitty adaptation, and outrage people are gonna ride that wave. To pretend it's all lies is to disingenuously deflect any and all criticism.
I never once said "all lies". Strawman fallacy. >deflect any and all criticism
I literally say criticism is fine in multiple parts of that post you couldn't be asked to read. So why should I bother explaining anything to someone who can't read.
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Anonymous
I didn't read because you're bending over backwards to get mad at what is essentially the tide coming in. Yeah, outragefarmers are going to farm outrage. Welcome to the age of the internet.
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Anonymous
Eh, anon I no where said "all lies" anywhere in any of my posts and neither am I mad. The adaptation arguments are cycles and it has existed in all the changes in comics too. That's all I said but you've translated that as "you think all backlash is lying and you're deflecting criticism" when I wasn't doing that at all. No idea what you're on about anymore tbh.
I honestly hope they arent trying to capture the Hispanic market with the we wuz atlanteans and shit angle. The aesthetic will be distinctive, but there is no real connection whatsoever between modern Latin American culture and Mayans. Even in small Mayan villages in Nicaragua you will find that everyone has more or less adopted Spanish/European-ish customs.
Mayan aesthetic is probably even more alien to most Latin Americans than Ancient Chinese.
>arent trying to capture the Hispanic market
Kevin Feige has been pretty adamant that this is the diversity phase of Marvel: >Shang Chi >Ms Marvel >Eternals
I mean frick that cringey line in Moon Knight, "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"
As much as I didn't like Ike I think Ike and Feige butting heads at least helped create the MCU as we know it and Feige unfettered has just created a period of wheel spinning.
>I mean frick that cringey line in Moon Knight, "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"
Also why the frick are we showing a girl going WOW to a heroine in every goddamn heroine related project now? WW84 did it, and Thor Love & Thunder is doing it too
I wouldn't have minded that scene at all if the girl just gazed in wonder and nodded. Part of the issue for me is how it always breaks the "show don't tell" rule by constantly telling us.
Algorithms, interns and the dartboard. That's how these things are made now. >Algorithm: "We need a character to capture several demographics including the 18-30 year old cat Moms." >Interns: "We could have a moment of total PoC female empowerment where she saves a bus of.. other women IN hijabs!" >Dartboard: *Throws dart at lines she could potentially say, narrowly misses "Bismillah" and lands on "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"*
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>18-30 year old Cat Moms
The irony here is that 18-30 year old cat moms are much more interested in the men than the women. But thats something western comics have never understood. Another reason why they can never compete with Japan.
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Yeah I totally got my demographics mixed up there, but you see what I am going for.
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Anonymous
No I believe that western execs think "relatable female main character = female audience" when what they really like is hot sad men with strong homoerotic bonds with other men. That and Wanda.
The only places that still got a strong Mayan connection are Yucatán and Guatemala, there are still people that speak the language and some traditions still have a strong presence. For real, other mexicans complain that yucatecos are not fond of outsiders and that they have such a strong identity because of their mayan roots.
Have you never met people who exist just to get mad at adaptations? They exist all over the Internet. No doubt this will be shit, it is the MCU. But people getting mad over Namor.. like people getting mad over Taskmaster or the last hundred bad adaptations in the MCU just feels silly at this point. Some people just want to feel personally offended by the changes which keep happening. Feels really pathetically put on.
Of course those people exist but "lol you're pretending to like x" is fricking moronic. Especially when you're talking about big-name characters like Namor or comic fan favorites like Taskmaster. People do care about these characters and these films have an effect on how these characters are portrayed in comics.
>Of course those people exist
Well if you agree then why do you have beef with me? >People do care about these characters and these films have an effect on how these characters are portrayed in comics.
Do you ever think at this point that is silly though? If you liked a character from their first appearance, there will be runs you don't like. These characters constantly change all the time depending on the whim of some creative team. Getting mad at it is like getting mad at the very nature of the thing. And for all the times they get it wrong there is also the possibility of them doing something good and different. Do you not see what I mean?
Some people here like me grew up reading Marvel and Namor is part of that group of characters that Disney can't frick but at this point there is nothing left for them to ruin because we all know that X-People and Fantatisc LGBTxyz is going to be shit
Have you never met people who exist just to get mad at adaptations? They exist all over the Internet. No doubt this will be shit, it is the MCU. But people getting mad over Namor.. like people getting mad over Taskmaster or the last hundred bad adaptations in the MCU just feels silly at this point. Some people just want to feel personally offended by the changes which keep happening. Feels really pathetically put on.
The only time I can think of in the MCU where this argument applied was with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, but it went both ways there >the Mandarin isn't popular enough to justify all the outrage people had over muh comic accuracy >BUT the Kingsley version they came up with was great and having it undercut by a shitty twist was stupid
>movie about two savage countries going to war releasing during a time of peak political correctness
It will be soulless just by virtue of being too afraid to offend blacks and spics.
It is a forced conflict. Atlantis in this is basically South American Wakanda, Namor gets his power from a Jaguar God and they have Vibranium and he fought the Spanish colonisers. Atlantis needs the vibranium in Wakanda for some reason. They fight. They realise they have more in common than against. They reconcile.
I don't know much on Atlantis mythology but would they have been Aztec? Wouldn't it have sank in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, and the nearest cultures would have been Iceland and England?
Theories on Atlantis usually focus on the Mediterranean Sea due to Roman/Greek references to such a city existing. However the Aztecs and Mayans had grand structures and empires to rival that of Egyptian feats so an argument could be made that the city could be adjacent to that part of the world too
This shit looks awful. It doesn't even look like Namor. I think I might be done with the MCU for real this time. I should have stopped after Endgame, but curiosity got the best of me. Not anymore though.
This response feels so automated and phoned in. Namor sucks but I question THIS being the straw that broke you. Also the >It doesn't look like Namor
Thing kind of falls flat when he still retains the only visual identifiers the character is known for
Hey I don't give a shit about Namor or the MCU post Endgame at this point. All I'm saying is don't sound like such a bot and deciding to wash your hands at this of all things. You can stay mad for all I care.
>All I'm saying is don't sound like such a bot and deciding to wash your hands at this of all things
Why not? I've been on the fence for a while, why are you gatekeeping me from expressing my opinion for something you supposedly don't give a shit about?
the Namor design just reminds me of the Ixalan merman from MtG which is maybe not the best compliment that an MCU movie is getting compared to generic fantasy art from a card game
>MCU Males: Buff men in hot boi hoochie shorts >MCU Females: Women in padded, fake space military gear that hides their figure.
Every time. Why does Kevin hate sex appeal on females? I'm shocked Red Scarab was so good, figure it's cause he doesn't give as much of a frick about the D+ shows.
what's that in his nose
Cocaine
boogers
Like some sort of tribal nose ring
>something something looks like shit
>something something death of the mcu
>something something superhero fatigue
>something something sjws bad
There just laid out what the thread is gonna be like
S u p e r h e r o f a t i g u e
At last, self-awareness has been achieved!
>sjws good
Spbp
I was on a marvel subreddit, and counted how often they used the worlds "God', "Heavenly", Faith" (all used as off handed expressions, like "I have faith Captin America will....").
It was 2 times as often as religous subreddits. And FIVE TIMES as often as a gamer thread.
This means, Marvel Fanboys are trying to turn consooming into a religion.
Or they are trivializing religion to show how stupid it is. That seems more likely.
>Or they are trivializing religion to show how stupid it is.
Don't feel threatened.
By a childish remark like that? Please.
No one is going to take our imaginary fiend away, unclench.
>This means, Marvel Fanboys are trying to turn consooming into a religion.
Because it honestly looks like shit. Aquaman was the only DC movie that would match the MCU in both box office and a similar level of quality. Why even try to go against it? Yeah, Namor is a well known dude, that doesn't mean it's obligatory for them to use him.
>Namor is a well known dude
Then tell me five others superheroes who still haven't appeared in a movie that are more well known than Namor
>tell me five other nobodies who still haven't appeared in a movie that are better known than this nobody
It doesn't matter which character is well known to comics fans,. There aren't enough comics fans alive to make a difference. What counts is which characters the studio thinks will appeal to the general public. Comics fans aren't too important to movie makers.
Can't have a Marvel movie without some toned shirtless guy who only works on vanity muscles
I dig it. Who this anyway?
Aquaman
Aguamuchaho
A cry baby
Are tacos Atlantean food?
Tacos are a universal food, brother
They're making him Mayan, not Atlantean
They plan on rewreiting X-Men to make their origins occult instead of mutations
>They plan on rewriting X-Men to make their origins occult instead of mutations
>They plan on rewreiting X-Men to make their origins occult instead of mutations
What the actual FRICK is wrong with those morons?
They're taking all of the gimp-relatability out of them, those brainless frickers.
>getting mad over a no source post
I'm mad because it's believable.
>I just want to get mad so I'll think of the tiniest reasons to do so
Are you not doing the same thing right now?
>no u
You're the one who started this because you couldn't abide by my post.
>They're making him Mayan, not Atlantean
Maybe they are throwing in the Mu Urban legend?
I know that Mu is on the other side of the planet in myth, but I find it culturally intersting.
FYI, Mu is a made up theory that Mayans, Egyptians and the Japanese are once one Stone Age culture that worship the Sun, and that they were from a destroyed continent in the Pacific.
Mu was invented by James Churchward as I recall and he wrote several lengthy books that were fun but not encumbered by any sort of evidence. There was also Lemuria, as forgotten now as the hypothetical twin of Earth that orbited the Sun in such a way that we never see it.
Life goes on and things change. Get with it or get out of the way and watch the world go past you.
It's the opposite they are turning the world upside down because of them the world are like this now, we are children of Gods, little gods we should be living in a world where all people could do what the apostles did but they ruined everything then and they are still turning the world upside down now
>they are desperate because their time is running out
Completely wrong. People have been saying the world is falling apart for at least five thousand years. It doesn't mean a thing. Real world problems stem from resources, available land, weather conditions, crops, diseases, stuff like that. Moral codes have zero affect on whether nations flourish or decline, that's a fallacy.
Bad photoshop?
>haha those old comic designs are LAME
>LOOK AT HOW MUCH BETTER THIS ONE IS
>NO IM NOT BASING MY OPINON ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
Stupid gay
Mogged by Dadbod Zeus.
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every time
every goddamn time
Kevin Feige's lack of taste is something uh? Man, what the frick is this hair? You know what the bad part is? Feige will listen to all the criticism and won't care, he's too arrogant
Is Attuma just Kotal Kahn
The costume looks gay but why would I care about what some gay on Twitter thinks about it?
Well at least the gays like it I suppose. They are Marvel’s target audience after all.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, You're a big boy, you can share without pouting.
>the first MCU character with a bone in nose is a Mexican.
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You aren't as clever as you think you are right now
So there will be no Black Panther in this Black Panther movie?
I almost can't believe they went for the green trunks but I'm glad they did that instead of Tumblr pretty boi
If only they didn't over design costumes to oblivion
full body
Those stupid silly wings better be part of his body and not gizmo because the marvel culture can't accept silly they look
I've a feeling they'll be on the shoes
The wings aren't part of his shoes
Haven't we had this image for months now (albeit in a much lower quality)?
Since MCU Namor is now an Aztec or whatever the frick, maybe the Inhumans could be the "Atlanteans" who left for the Moon. Their names are all GrecoRoman anyhow. Medusa, Gorgon, Triton, Maximus. Attilan sounds close too.
The haircut and the eyebrows is totally out of character
jude law is the only one who can make a deep widow's peak not look silly, and he's already been used in MCU
>only one person with a widow's peak exists
they could've just hired some no-name with a widow's peak instead of a no-name meximanlet
To be fair Jude Law is so handsome he can make anything work. Besides, the role he was perfect for was Kang, but we all know what we got...
Dude's head was a triangle for the first several decade of his existence. Who cares
>Ikaris looks more like Namor than Namor
What timeline is this?
The timeline where Aquaman made a billion cuz women get wet for Jason Mamoa
Namors main design feature is walking around mostly naked. Any actor in a speedo would look more like him than Ikaris.
He's got an actual costume. Imagine thinking some midget Mexican actually looks like Namor.
That is not the costume he is most known for and usually he wears a lot less. Namor is the b***hy aquaman who wears a speedo and fricked Sue Storm. It hurts but you have to accept it.
Fricking cowards, they couldn't even attatch the wongs to his body.
>feet
>dumb little wings
Namorbros... we're home!
>Namor
>porn stache
I can even get past the aztec pillar man looks... but remove the fricking porn stache
Porn stache and nose bone
looks nothing like the character so its the same as everything else in the MCU, big shock
>Looks nothing like the character
>Green bottoms
>Shirtless
>Winged feet
I'm not a Namorgay but come the frick on, anon
Its unironically one of the more comic accurate costumes (not in face but who the frick expects them to replacate the knock off spock tragedy that is namors comic face)
They couldn't even go all the way in and give him speedos, huh
The israeliteelry is so ugly and the nose piercing is disgusting.
Mesoamerican history nerd, I sort of think it's shit.
I like the earrings, nose plugs, and lip piercings on Namor. Those are pretty authentic (
's less so, but still not bad, the earrings for both are actual real examples of royal earrings we've found), but I don't have much else positive to say.
The arm/leg bands are fine, those existed and I think the sci-fi engravings is excusable but the collar/pectoral garments and especially the headdress in the fancier outfit are a lot more just "generic media sterotypes" of Mesoamerican fashion then anything historically rooted. Headdresses and pectorals WERE a thing, but not really as most media depictions use them in either context or specific appearance. The headdress here might unironically be one of the worst i've ever seen, though if I had to give some concessionary compliments, I like the turquiose mosiac and some of the nose/forhead/cheek guard pieces resemble some details on Maya sculptures, but it's really still just throwing shit together, and the gold ornamentation on that outfit remind me more of Southeast Asia then even media sterotypes of Mesoamerica.
I also dislike using Tepeyollotl here, which seems to only be used so they can have a Jaguar vs a Black panther as a big feline thematic clash. Tepeyollotl has no links to the water or ocean or the sea whatsoever, there's like 10 other dieities or monsters that would have worked better. Tlaloc in particular would have been an excellent choice not just because of those associations and the fact that they're already fricking naming the city after Tlaloc's realm, but also because Tlaloc like most other Mesoamerican rain gods actually is thought to have roots from early Olmec were-jaguar deities, that's why Tlaloc still retains fangs in most depictions.
Also watch Onyx Equinox, it is both Cinemaphile and the best commercial handling of Mesoamerica i've ever seen.
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Thanks for the input. Of course, movie adaptations of a fantasy character are going to be way different from any historical background. That goes without saying,. Even films set in an era as recent as the 19th Century American West are not going to use authentical slang and cursing, nor clothing or attitudes if the filmmakers think audiences won't accept those elements.
Obviously fictional media or even historically rooted ones are going to make tweaks in the process of adapating the material or setting, I don't mind that, the issue is when the people doing it clearly didn't do research or don't care enough to actually incorporate the real themes and motifs or history in a way that still retains it's identity.
As I said, what they're doing with Namor is basing his stuff more on media sterotypes and popular imagination of what Mesoamerica is then what it actually is, without seemingly understanding what that is.
Onyx Equinox, which I brought up before, made up it's own designs for their gods rather then taking a direct adapation of a specific manuscript depiction, but the designs still clearly work within Aztec diety iconography and what's critical to each god in a way that shows the people behind the show knew what they were doing. Even something like Road to El Dorado or the upcoming Aztec batman thing I think does it better then this.
Yeah but again, they could hgave given feline elements to Tlaloc even if it's a bit of a stretch and it'd work better then Tepeyollotl, even something like an Ahuizotl (for dog vs cat) reframed as a god even if it was more just a legendary creature then a diety
Because kotal's design is also based on generic pop culture ideas of Mesoamerican stuff, but at least his moveset and concept is well done even if his design isn't so much.
3/3 for now
It's not that the filmmakers don't care, it's that they have no reason to stay accurate to the actual civilizations. This is a fantasy movie about a fictional empire loosely inspired by real societies. It's not a documentary and doesn't claim to be. You can't criticize a movie about Camelot for not being accurate about the details of life in whatever era you decide the stories take place, it's a fantasy and you enjoy it on that basis.
I don't think you're understanding my point.
It's not an issue of literal accuracy, as you say, it's fantasy. But even, say, Disney's hercules still incorporates actual elements of Ancient Greek clothing, art, architecture, and mythology in a way that, while taking a ton of liberties to a cartoonish degree, still understands the material it's putting it's own spin on and the fundamental concept still represents the base culture.
That isn't happening here and it doesn't happen with most Mesoamerican influences in media. I cannot think of an example or an analogy to convey this because I don't even know of any other ancient or historical culture that gets handled like this. The closest comparsion I can think of would be how Mortal Kombat uses Asian influences, but even that isn't the same because people KNOW MK is over the top, inauthentic fluff and they have a frame of reference for what actual Japanese or Chinese motifs are. People don't have that for Mesoamerica. (andin part, MK is INTENTIONALLY doing it, wheras with Mesoamerica being handled how it is, it's because people legit just don't know better)
I see your point, but it seems you're emotionally too invested in this culture to accept a fantasy film about an imaginary civilization not matching up to a real historical civilization. It's like Robin Hood, Camelot or the Mythical West.
>media sterotypes and popular imagination of what Mesoamerica is then what it actually is, without seemingly understanding what that is.
Welcome to shallow woke creative process
I don't think it's a woke thing: Like yes, there are absolutely corporations just randomly using nonwhite cultures to seem inclusive without doing research, but right/conservative leaning takes on Mesoamerica tend to be awful too.
Also, Onyx Equinox, which is the best I've seen Mesoamerican cultures done, was made by the same team who did High Guardian Spice which people decry as the epitome of SJW wokeness. (from what I understand it being seen as that was mostly due to Crunchyroll's choice in marketing rather then anything the staff itself wanted to advertise it like that)
I mean, yeah, part of it is that I am a massive obessive nerd with this stuff, but it's also just that Mesoamerican (and Andean) influences just legit are handled like shit 99.99% of time, wheras Greece, Rome, Egypt, Japan, China, tend to also have some fantasical-but-authentic, and actually-accurate depictions some of the time too, in addition to the schlock.
Also, again, with those most people at least know the basics about the topic to know when something is fantasy vs accurate; wheras people know jack shit about prehispanic stuff so they actually internalize the bullshit as representing reality. I'm more postive then negative on stuff like The Road to El Dorado too, it's not like my standards are sky high, I just want more then the bare minimum.
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Anyways, for both of you, i'd rather answer questions and infodump about Mesoamerican history and civilization then whine about stuff, if anybody is curious
You do have me curious what Mesoamerican stuff "really" looked like and what themes or whatever pop culture is getting wrong at this point
I think, ironically, the Aztec, despite being the most famous Mesoamerican culture, are the best example of this.
Many of the stereotypical elements of Mesoamerican stuff in pop culture, such as jungles, huge headdresses, pectoral/collar garments, tattoos, bone ornamentation, etc, are basically not a thing at all or only in very specific circumstances to the Aztec.
The Aztec were located in the semi-arid to temperate hills and valleys in Central Mexico, the jungle was hundreds of kilometers away from the core Aztec area. Headdresses weren't a common part of their fashion in either a ceremonial, secular/domestic, or martial context (there were some ceremonial and martial headdresses, such as the type "Montezuma's headdress" was, but they're rare, and not the Aztec version of a crown, that's a gold or more often a turquoise mosaic triangular diadem) . Tattoos were pretty rare, if not entirely absent, and collar garments weren't a thing outside of some (again, uncommon) ceremonial garments and attached to some tilmatli cloaks. Bone ornamentation Apocalypto style wasn't a thing in Mesoamerica really AT ALL. Like you had some bone used in israeliteellery, but we're usually talking about like animal bone and it's carved/polished as a bead. I guess it's not out of the question maybe mosiac masks which used skulls of sacrifices as a base could have been worn or carried around, but those are ceremonial offerings, not a garment.
I've seen people mistake actual authentic depictions of Aztec architecture or clothing as being Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or especially Minoan; and accurate depictions of Aztec clothing, especially for women, being mistaken for Korean or Japanese clothing and hairstyles. I don't have an image comparing media sterotypes vs reality (I really should make one), but i'll post a compilation of Aztec architecture (pic) and then one of clothing to give you a basic idea (and i'd be happy to dump even more)
And then here's a clothing pic.
The artist here is Kamazotz/Zotzcomic, they do a lot of infographs and art of MEsoamerican fashion and have a webcomic. The artists in the architecture compilation are listed at the bottom of the image in addition to autistic nitpick note, in the interest of intellectual honesty
It's also worth noting that "Aztec" can mean like a dozen things, from the whole broader group of Nahua cultures/their collective civilization, to the Mexica subgroup of Tenochtitlan (and Tlatelolco) in particular, to the "Aztec Empire" which included both Nahua and non-Nahua (Maya, Zapotec, Mixtrec, Otomi, Huastec, Totonac, etc) subject and vassal states... and also some Nahua states were NOT in that empire. There's like a dozen other pedantic variations here, but tl;dr I'm using "Aztec" here to mean the Nahuas in general but primarily the Mexica (while the art I posted is Mexica specific, though most other Nahua groups would have had pretty similar clothing and architecture)
Anyways, the Maya, in contrast, were in the jungle, did have wider use of headdresses and pectoral garments, especially for rulers; and tatoos, but the way they get used is still quite different from most media depictions. As it applies to architecture/cities, a thing media usually does is show temples in ruins with worn grey stone and then surronded by maybe a few huts and jungles, but across all cultures in the region monumental structures had smooth stucco and painted frescos/murals, reliefs, sculptural facades, friezes, etc, and in addition to pyramids/temples you had palaces, ballcourts, plazas, aquaduct and resevoir systems, and you had suburbs of commoner residences around the city centers, intersperesed with agricultural land, which was landscaped
Part of it is also just that, you know, these were functioning societies with actual infrastructure, courts and judges, diplomats, merchants, artisans, farmers, masons, kids playing games, etc
Do you work at some college or something?
Nah, just a hobby, at least for now.
Also here's a piece by mossacannibalis which demonstrates what I mean about actual Aztec woman fashion probably being closer to Japanese then what most people think of as "Aztec"
Do you ever wander if you have enough knowledge to become your job?
I've been told by some people I'm about as knowledgeable as some of their graduate students.
But i'm also cognizant that part of being an expert in a field isn't just knowledge, but is also knowing how to sift through existing research and knowing the historiography of that research and evaluating their methodology and knowing if a given paper or study or academic book and their findings is well regarded by other researchers. I try to keep up with such things, but it's tough without university access to journals and old out of print sources (I do what I can with open access ones/scihub) and what research is well regarded or not is something you just have to pick up via osmosis and gradual expierence, which is harder as an outsider.
I'd love to pursue it professionally, but I've had a series of IRL issues for around a decade now since I left HS and haven't had the opportunity to go for higher education seriously, and historical, museum, archeology, etc stuff is extremely competitive with almost no jobs, and It's probably an unwise descision to go into it, especially with loans, in a field like that, especially when I've already blown most of my 20s and I've lost my time to take risks: If I go for it and it takes a decade to get a PHD and i'd be like 40, i'd have no backup plan if it doesn't work out
Not that anon, but why are you even so interested in those things? Are you an injun yourself and trying to find your roots?
Nah I just think it's cool.
The Road to El Dorado really got me interested in the topic as a kid (as it did for a lot of people I know), the way it blended these really interesting, fantastic pyramids and temples and geometric designs with jungle and lakes built into them stuck with me, but it only was a superficial preference through my childhood and teens for the aesthetic.
It was only when I was finishing HS that I found out that Mesoamerican cities really did have botanical gardens and canals and resevoir networks built into them and had integrated farms in the suburbs or managed agroforestry groves that then got me interested in reading about Mesoamerican urbanism, architecture, and water management systems in depth and from there I just went balls deep.
Huh. Cool then, good on (you) for finding something you care about. I always found hispanics too disgusting looking to care about them.
>I also dislike using Tepeyollotl here, which seems to only be used so they can have a Jaguar vs a Black panther as a big feline thematic clash
This is the most comic book shit ever
I would
>Namor the Sub-Human.
Jajajajajaja.
So you're telling me, that a black man's ultimate enemy, is actually a Mexican? lol
Republicans ladies and gentlemen
Hardly. Mexicans hate African-Americans. You'll actually find that Mexicans are extremely racist and don't put up with their shit like ol' whitey has to, so it's actually very fitting that a movie geared towards African-Americans would have Mexicans be the villains.
Chalchiuhtlicue was the Aztec goddess of water on Earth while Tlaloc, her partner, was the Aztec god of rain. Sure there are plenty more if you dig into more Mexican history.
>Hardly. Mexicans hate African-Americans.
We do? I didn't get the memo.
Whites hate black people less than every other ethnic group hates black people including black people
I could believe that.
You're posting here aren't you?
Hispanic here
Didn't know we hated nigs
This board is wrong about almost everything. It's a hellhole of ignorance and superstition (but funny to watch).
>laughs in Spanish as jajaja
>he is a Republican!!1!
Liberals are so fricking dumb lmao
Conservatives run on fear and hatred, that's just the way it is.
callate pendejo
Emolicate.
Aztec Atlanteans reminds me of the cum town bit about Puerto Rican Klingons.
#t=269
honestly, he doesn't look stupid enough. I'm glad he's still strutting around half-naked, but if they didn't want to make him have the classic v-shaped hairline and Spock eyebrows, why not lean a bit into the Sub-mariner: The Depths design and have some shark-like elements to his look?
also the facial hair doesn't work. I know he's had it, but clean-shaven Namor looks better.
>have some shark-like
I've seen artwork, I think from this same guy, with a fricking puma on his head because it looks cool
>B but it is not related to the the character at all and it is fricking stupid
Yes.
Aquaman cucked Namor very heavily
Attuma the rapist
Did Aztecs ever had this type of weapon?
Mira este joto. Fricking pandering.
No, it would be difficult enough to find the materials and flint knap one of those things. It'd be a better representation to have him armed with a macuahuitl, which looks much cooler anyway. It's a comic book movie though, you can't expect any sort of accuracy.
>marvel movies
>enemy faction uses spears and/or bows
i swear i stopped paying attention to any mob battle after endgame because of this. literal power rangers tier.
Spear and bows are kinda universal weapons anon.
Thought being said, I like if they use Meso American weapons like on this pict
>You guys ever play Mortal Kombat? Because there is this character called Kotal who would be a great design inspiration
>Mortal Kombat invented Aztic looks
Are you the same guy from the Thor thread? Christ
Of course they didn't, anon. But it's just kind of strange you make that look with Kotal.
>this guy with Aztec aesthetics looks like this other guy with Aztec aesthetics
Man, you don't fricking say?
guy who's only seen mortal kombat
>rapist
QRD?
He had sex without consent.
when?
ask your mom
He tried to rape Jean Grey.
Ha! What a Namoron!
Amirite, fellas???
Carlos!
>He tried to rape Jean Grey.
Who hasn't?
>Blue Atlanteans
>Same year that Avatar 2 comes out which has underwater Na'vi
Kind of funny.
This also looks like Kotal Kahn
Namor looks bad but Attuma actually looks pretty cool.
I'm not sure how to feel about this as a Mexican. It's nice to see Mayan mythology being represented, but Namor it's an odd choice. As far as I know there aren't that many well known prehispanic deities associated with the sea.
Pretty sure Namor is going to get an entirely new pantheon like Black Panther instead of using existing ones.
>As far as I know there aren't that many well known prehispanic deities associated with the sea
Well yeah, you don't know about them because you're not from Atlantis of course
I dislike the cultural appropriation. Especially since it looks so gross. Just make him Classic Namor instead of being so try hard. It's like they think culture would have stagnated if it was underwater. Shit is unimaginative and borderline offensive.
>I dislike the cultural appropriation.
En serio wey?
Nope your wrong
i could understand them switching namor up if they'd already leaned heavily on the greek pantheon and we were on hercules 4 or something
i think marvel panicked when dc made a decent and well received movie with aquaman and went as far away from comic namor to avoid being compared
doesn't change the fact that it should have been luke evans as namor
I mean how are they going to explain the trident and shit when the Aztecs literally did not forge metal objects of that size?
Dude, Marvel has "god race" cities which use hammers/ spears/ etc that's just how they do it.
It's not appropriation, they did it in Thor, Shang Chi, Black Panther, I want to see an Indian one. The Chinese one is disappointing because they made it a fricking hamlet.
>Black Panther,
It was a Disneyfication of Africa that has little to do with anything of real Africa outside of OOOGAH BOOGAH.
>Disneyfication of Africa
I'm telling you that they are all "advanced" fantasy cities that Disney is handing out that rely on ritual combat and spears
Thor doesn't look like a stripper with a stick through his nose.
>savages who tear out the hearts of people are....le good.
You're going to summon mexi anon carefully explaining through hard evidence that your view of those fact is simplistic and the truth is much more complex
im not mexi anon but actual mexico-gay that will never touch the US here, ask anything in you want.
I dig the designs but i have a huge feeling this movie is gonna be a big meme over here.
I have the impression that Disney won't stop pandering to you guys after China told them to frick off.
its gonna be interesting since everyone have rightoid tendencies specially edgelord zoomers. i really want to punch any kid that says "basado" out in public now jesus frick.
Nah, they will stick with the nigs but they might try to throw some bones to Mexico and Brasil
>actual mexico-gay
Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
It is a 600M people market but it is not that wealthy, all the countries ocmbined have the GDP of Germany.
>why the rageboner
ostia tio menuda jungla de cristal te cargas en tu onda vital
>Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
It’s our president being a stupid frick and many stupid fricks drinking his koolaid. We only hate you for your crappy dubs.
>Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
I don't understand the need other anons want for us to hate Spain. What's the end goal here?
>Tell me about Spain, we left 200 years ago, why the rageboner?
It's mostly lefties and indigenists, most people don't care about Spain
Basically, our own version of WE WUZ KANGZ. There's this belief about native civilizations being super advanced masters and Spanish being violent invaders. Dumb stuff.
>why the rageboner?
Indigenists/The president/Others need to blame someone for the crisis. Better to blame corpses from 500 years ago.
>the next MCU movie will be about an American white male being cucked by a Mexican midget
>Black Panther 2: Electric Boogaloo
People are actually going to see this?
Will people see it? Yes.
Will it be good? No.
Will it also create some more "Africa wud b liek dat if whitey ain sho up" memes? Of course.
I just want to know how they're going to deal with Boseman's death.
>
By the millions. It'll make more money than human trafficking does.
I literally only care about it just to see how much of a fricking collosal trainwreck their handling of Boseman's death is going to be
Everybody on this board is so desperate for every movie to fail that it's hilarious. "I tell you, TITANIC is going to be a flop! No one wants to see a ship sink."
They are going to milk Chadwick Boseman's death so much harder than WB did Ledger's. It's not even funny. Every interview, trailer, tweet will be about how the film is to honor him and people will hork and clap and not acknowledge how incredibly fricked up it is. It'll destroy records at release.
haven't been keeping up with rumors, but do we know if his backstory will still be somewhat similar to the comics? Dad an explorer who fell for the Atlantean (now fish Mayan?) princess and such.
Pretty sure there going the Ultimate Namor origin
What's Ultimate namors deal?
>What's Ultimate namors deal?
he has the sea horn
Wonder if this is where they got Mr. Nimbus's horn shell.
from my vague memories of the plot leaks, mexican atlantis is just mexican wakanda, vibranium landed there, namor isn't a mutant and he gets his wings from his god, they need wakanda's vibranium for some reason
Is it just me, or are these things starting to look cheaper and cheaper? That's a poster I'd expect from Bollywood.
Probably the Chapek era taking hold
How do you frick up something so simple this badly?
"Representation".
You guys are living in the past, you're like old boomers mad about change.
And (You) sounds like shallow woke whitey
neat
His dick is already out, why bother cropping it further? You're already earning a vacation; may as well commit.
They are hiding the actress who will play Namora, 100% sure she will wear a costume woke like Captain Marvel and the hair is totally wrong, where are the classic receding hairline?
Motherfrickers do it right at least once!
And, yet, unpaid shills will still crimestop whenever you DARE insist that the MCU deliberately fricks over a majority of its adapted characters in either design, personality, or both.
He only needs the bird wings in his ankles and we'll have another perfect MCU frickup.
Here
They're part of the costume now. It doesn't even make sense. Namor had them because he was GrecoRoman in nature and thus had the Hermes Wings. This doesn't even fit.
>Namor had them because he was Greco-Roman in nature and thus had the Hermes Wings
It was still stupid, even for the 60s.
Bill Everett gave Namor ankle wings for no particular reason in 1939. The connection to the god Neptune wasn't mentioned until the mid-1960s. The wings are just more irrational Golden Age silliness (which I love).
>fanmanip is cooler than the official product
Many such cases.
Even with that mediocre photoshop job, it really does look better in every way to OP.
OP doesn't even look real either.
>Fanmanip is more covered than the actual final design and looks even more like aqua man
Really dodge a bullet here
Ok what I really want to know is, is Feige losing control or what
>Feige losing control
No, Feige is exactly where he's always been. He's just an idiot who's run out of actual, concrete plans, is all.
I bet that whitey Reed is loving seeing Panther vs Namor
BP2 is literally White Colonialist Doom pitting moronic hispanics against Black folk. It unironically reads like a shitpost but it's true.
>killed Black Panther off-screen
>makes entire nations of hispanics and Black folk to genocide each other to steal metals
>barely lifted a finger to do it
I dunno bros, MCU Doom seems to be pretty based till now
Doom is always based. Even in a crumbling MCU, even in the worst scenario possible, Doom will always reign triumphant.
terrible
>atlantean to aztec
i think its good now the average joe will not called him aquaman knockoff
The MCU died today
No, it's still as soulless as it has been.
This movie sounds more like a stealth Namor movie than a Black Panther sequel.
Uh…why is he legitimately sexy
This could be a shakespearean masterpiece and I still won't watch it because they made Namor a short mexican with the darkest skin they could find.
At least Sue won’t sleep with this fricking loser.
>a blonde white woman wont sleep with a brown skinned stud
still in denial, huh?
looks nothing like the character as usual will most likely be written to act nothing like the character as usual
twitter bots will skim thru his wiki page and pretend to be ''Namor superfans'' to defend whatever dumb shit MCU does, rinse and repeat
>Namor is now some underwater Aztec gogo boy
Are they trying some Pillar Man vibes instead of Atlantis? A brazilian gay clothes designer looks more like Namor than this guy
Haven't paid to watch a marvel movie since 2015
Watched bootleg camrip of the last 3, didn't finish any.
AMA
Frick these Black folk for ruining the comics. Honestly the comics have been spiralling down ever since the MCU started.
>Race based on water and the seafaring peoples of greece
>base them on a culture that at best built canoes
1. Atlanteans aren't based on the Greeks and are not Greek, maybe in the Marvel comics.
2. Aztecs built their capital city in the middle of a lake
1) Atlanteans are literally a greek mythological state, they are based on the fricking greeks.
2) Lakes are not fricking oceans.
You don't know anything about Atlantis, man, here quoted from Plato:
For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.[21]
wow sounds like Plato is trying to write fanfiction super greece.
>this place that only appears in this culture's myths and writings?
>yeah my man it's definitely not cultural appropriation to take it and give it to the other side of the world
>now whitey be having dreads that's the real appropriation fr fr no cap on gawd
PLATO IS THE PERSON WHO INVENTED ATLANTIS, and he SAID THEY AREN'T EUROPEANS/AFRICANS/ASIANS
Frick off, you embarrassed yourself
Tarado
You guys have lost this fight. You're like Boomers saying cell phones will never catch on and no one will drive a car with automatic shift. Move on.
very well said
as a wise man once said: "If your enemies kill themselves, they win"
He had Atlantis at war with an Athens that supposedly existed thousands of years ago as well. It was a political allegory, he didn't think anyone would think Atlantis had actually existed.
>You don't know anything about Atlantis, man, here quoted from Plato:
The only thing we know about Atlantis IS from Plato and that he was making an allegory about the enemies of the city-state of Athens.
Stop getting your history from twitter before you start kangzing out, dipshit.
I imagine someone telling Plato that thousands of years later people would think Atlantis had really existed. He'd say, you're pulling my leg, no one's that dumb.
>maybe in the Marvel comics.
The ones the fricking BLACK PANTHER movie is poorly adapting? The ones you clearly haven't read? At least read a fricking wiki
You guys should realize that movies are made for the mass audiences. There aren't enough comics fans alive to make a difference. Know this from the start and enjoy the movies on their own terms.
More importantly, unlike with DC, Marvel Atlantis has no lore anyone cares about to draw from. The design, origins, technology level, system of government, supporting cast of Atlantis in Marvel never stays the same from writer to writer.
i tought namor was asian
Now Atlantis is Mexico adjacent. Pretty stupid bullshit.
His dad's a white guy.
I don't care about the mayan stuff, what is important about Namor is his attitude. He better be magnificent bastard.
>Live action superhero movie is shit
Stop acting surprised.
The actor is laughably short. He's not gonna be flexing on Reed Richards this time around.
He's the same height as RDJ. He'll be fine.
These guys know absolutely nothing about how film works. Since Humphrey Bogart and Alan Ladd, short actors have been presented convincingly on screen. Or maybe they think the Hobbits were actually three feet tall?
more like ramon
I unironically like this design...I don't see the problem.
Eh, it's this board. They want every movie and TV show to flop. You can't take opinions here too seriously.
any mexican that fall for this shit deserves to be beheaded by narcos
>Delete
You make Reddit seem like a good idea by comparison.
I'm an Aquaman fan so I've never given a single frick about Namor The Submariner. To me he's just an butthole fish boy. But with that said, I do think the Aztec/Mayan aesthetic they've gone with is at least visually distinct and cool. Are Namorgays (implying there are any) happy or upset with the change?
I'm a huge fan, but while I'm happy to see him acknowledged in some way and that they're apparently not going to make him a total villain like I thought (They're basing a lot on Ultimate FF so far), I'm mostly indifferent. Setting ANY character up in something that's gone through rewrite hell like this is never a good sign.
So the South American thing isn't a dealbreaker for you? I don't how I'd feel if Aquaman got that kind of makeover. Then again Namor's look, or lack thereof, may allow for more creative liberties. At least he has wing feet and green shorts.
>So the South American thing isn't a dealbreaker for you?
I'd ideally like to have characters look as accurate as possible, but it is what it is. When you're dealing with a fictional race where most members are blue, anything's a go.
Plus, after years of seeing Namor trashed on here (It's not all just spam from Tommy), I kind of feel ambivalent. People rarely ever acknowledged Namor on Cinemaphile outside of cucking Reed jokes and Spidey Super Stories memes that got old when UseNet was young, but suddenly seeing them all act like they care when racial issues come up just makes me not want to join in.
>(implying there are any)
Most people who claim to be supefans of any character that is not A-list are mostly lying and people will complain about any adaptation just because. This will probably be bad because current Marvel is wavering and a bit bland, not hitting home runs but making too much, especially with the streaming shows.
Them completely changing the aesthetic of Atlanteans and Namor was kind of a given because of Aquaman and other things beyond their control.
>Most people who claim to be supefans of any character that is not A-list are mostly lying and people will complain about any adaptation just because.
>"ALL NEGATIVITY IS LIES BECAUSE I SAID SO"
Cinemaphile is so fricking spineless
Do you know how when an adaptation comes out people rush out to get the book to say they read the book and tell their friends that movie isn't like the book? No where did I say everyone is lying. People constantly complain about adaptations and sometimes it is completely valid and sometimes it isn't. All adaptations by their very nature change things for a variety of reasons and people are completely arbitrary sometimes about what they complain about. Sometimes they are not. Nothing I said was spineless in anyway. People just always predictably get mad at adaptations. And many of these mad people pretend they are superfans. And many of them are not. People just love to imply an emotional connection to products.
As if comics don't change shit every fricking week. People get mad. They change it back or keep getting worse. Instead of just enjoying the things you like or following good creative teams, people just get mad over their hero being ruined, despite the fact that if you read any character from the beginning there would be runs you liked and runs you didn't like. So a lot of people getting mad feels contrived as frick.
tl;dr
I don't care about your fallacy, anon. Fans are gonna come out to complain about a shitty adaptation, and outrage people are gonna ride that wave. To pretend it's all lies is to disingenuously deflect any and all criticism.
I never once said "all lies". Strawman fallacy.
>deflect any and all criticism
I literally say criticism is fine in multiple parts of that post you couldn't be asked to read. So why should I bother explaining anything to someone who can't read.
I didn't read because you're bending over backwards to get mad at what is essentially the tide coming in. Yeah, outragefarmers are going to farm outrage. Welcome to the age of the internet.
Eh, anon I no where said "all lies" anywhere in any of my posts and neither am I mad. The adaptation arguments are cycles and it has existed in all the changes in comics too. That's all I said but you've translated that as "you think all backlash is lying and you're deflecting criticism" when I wasn't doing that at all. No idea what you're on about anymore tbh.
Wasn't the last Aquaman comic run cancelled?
I want to see him take the head off a conquistador.
another victim of the purple smurf syndrome
many such cases
LATINX PRIDE
CALLLATE MALDITO IMBECIL PREFERIRIA QUE ME LLAMASES UN SUBNORMAL EN LA CARA.
>latinx Hispanic "namor"
Dropped.
Your loss,
No, I'm not really losing anything. If I watched the movie I would be losing my money, my time, my temper, my patience, my sanity, etc.
I honestly hope they arent trying to capture the Hispanic market with the we wuz atlanteans and shit angle. The aesthetic will be distinctive, but there is no real connection whatsoever between modern Latin American culture and Mayans. Even in small Mayan villages in Nicaragua you will find that everyone has more or less adopted Spanish/European-ish customs.
Mayan aesthetic is probably even more alien to most Latin Americans than Ancient Chinese.
>arent trying to capture the Hispanic market
Kevin Feige has been pretty adamant that this is the diversity phase of Marvel:
>Shang Chi
>Ms Marvel
>Eternals
I mean frick that cringey line in Moon Knight, "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"
As much as I didn't like Ike I think Ike and Feige butting heads at least helped create the MCU as we know it and Feige unfettered has just created a period of wheel spinning.
>I mean frick that cringey line in Moon Knight, "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"
Also why the frick are we showing a girl going WOW to a heroine in every goddamn heroine related project now? WW84 did it, and Thor Love & Thunder is doing it too
I wouldn't have minded that scene at all if the girl just gazed in wonder and nodded. Part of the issue for me is how it always breaks the "show don't tell" rule by constantly telling us.
Yeah and it's just clunky dialogue in general. I wouldn't say "Are you an American superhero?". That's kind of fricking implied based on location
Algorithms, interns and the dartboard. That's how these things are made now.
>Algorithm: "We need a character to capture several demographics including the 18-30 year old cat Moms."
>Interns: "We could have a moment of total PoC female empowerment where she saves a bus of.. other women IN hijabs!"
>Dartboard: *Throws dart at lines she could potentially say, narrowly misses "Bismillah" and lands on "Are you an Egyptian superhero?"*
>18-30 year old Cat Moms
The irony here is that 18-30 year old cat moms are much more interested in the men than the women. But thats something western comics have never understood. Another reason why they can never compete with Japan.
Yeah I totally got my demographics mixed up there, but you see what I am going for.
No I believe that western execs think "relatable female main character = female audience" when what they really like is hot sad men with strong homoerotic bonds with other men. That and Wanda.
The only places that still got a strong Mayan connection are Yucatán and Guatemala, there are still people that speak the language and some traditions still have a strong presence. For real, other mexicans complain that yucatecos are not fond of outsiders and that they have such a strong identity because of their mayan roots.
Are we all pretending to be huge Namor fans pissed at them changing his traditional costume now?
I hate this shill argument.
Have you never met people who exist just to get mad at adaptations? They exist all over the Internet. No doubt this will be shit, it is the MCU. But people getting mad over Namor.. like people getting mad over Taskmaster or the last hundred bad adaptations in the MCU just feels silly at this point. Some people just want to feel personally offended by the changes which keep happening. Feels really pathetically put on.
Maybe people are just pissed off that their favorite character gets pissed all over in their chance on the big screen.
Lets be honest, Namor fans aren't the ones b***hing here.
Why not? The actor does make for a shitty Namor.
Why not? Because, unlike you, they are familiar with the character Namor.
He's a miscast. Ad hom won't change that.
Real Namor fans know hes an ugly b***h, regardless of what Sue Storm tells everyone because they read his comics and thats like 70% of his appeal.
Of course some are. But getting outraged by adaptations is just silly at this point. It is inevitable.
Of course those people exist but "lol you're pretending to like x" is fricking moronic. Especially when you're talking about big-name characters like Namor or comic fan favorites like Taskmaster. People do care about these characters and these films have an effect on how these characters are portrayed in comics.
>Of course those people exist
Well if you agree then why do you have beef with me?
>People do care about these characters and these films have an effect on how these characters are portrayed in comics.
Do you ever think at this point that is silly though? If you liked a character from their first appearance, there will be runs you don't like. These characters constantly change all the time depending on the whim of some creative team. Getting mad at it is like getting mad at the very nature of the thing. And for all the times they get it wrong there is also the possibility of them doing something good and different. Do you not see what I mean?
Namors a shit character who needs to be changed for live action anyway.
what's wrong with it? its literally just a speedo, but they cant even do that right and have to make it overdesigned
Nothing. Its very similar to the MCU design actually.
Some people here like me grew up reading Marvel and Namor is part of that group of characters that Disney can't frick but at this point there is nothing left for them to ruin because we all know that X-People and Fantatisc LGBTxyz is going to be shit
Then ignore the movies. The comics you like are still safe and sound in your collection. No one is going to "ruin" them, they're just comic books.
The only time I can think of in the MCU where this argument applied was with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, but it went both ways there
>the Mandarin isn't popular enough to justify all the outrage people had over muh comic accuracy
>BUT the Kingsley version they came up with was great and having it undercut by a shitty twist was stupid
Outfit reminds me of Kotal Kahn from Mortal Kombat
As long as he's an butthole, I don't care how he looks.
>movie about two savage countries going to war releasing during a time of peak political correctness
It will be soulless just by virtue of being too afraid to offend blacks and spics.
>It will be soulless just by virtue of being a film made within Phase 4 of the MCU
FTFY
yeah that doesn't help either, but even Raimi got cucked out of a true horror movie.
Atlantis is hispanic Wakanda now.
It is a forced conflict. Atlantis in this is basically South American Wakanda, Namor gets his power from a Jaguar God and they have Vibranium and he fought the Spanish colonisers. Atlantis needs the vibranium in Wakanda for some reason. They fight. They realise they have more in common than against. They reconcile.
Looks like shit. Hope this is the death of the MCU. This is peak superhero fatigue. Hope the SJWs agree this is bad.
Not bad actually
spick
How can Namor work without a Reed Richards to mog?
He was a star for thirty years before Fantastic Four were created.
asdadsdas
I don't know much on Atlantis mythology but would they have been Aztec? Wouldn't it have sank in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, and the nearest cultures would have been Iceland and England?
Theories on Atlantis usually focus on the Mediterranean Sea due to Roman/Greek references to such a city existing. However the Aztecs and Mayans had grand structures and empires to rival that of Egyptian feats so an argument could be made that the city could be adjacent to that part of the world too
This shit looks awful. It doesn't even look like Namor. I think I might be done with the MCU for real this time. I should have stopped after Endgame, but curiosity got the best of me. Not anymore though.
This response feels so automated and phoned in. Namor sucks but I question THIS being the straw that broke you. Also the
>It doesn't look like Namor
Thing kind of falls flat when he still retains the only visual identifiers the character is known for
How about you eat a bag of baby dicks anon, is that less phoned in? This shit looks fricking terrible.
Hey I don't give a shit about Namor or the MCU post Endgame at this point. All I'm saying is don't sound like such a bot and deciding to wash your hands at this of all things. You can stay mad for all I care.
>All I'm saying is don't sound like such a bot and deciding to wash your hands at this of all things
Why not? I've been on the fence for a while, why are you gatekeeping me from expressing my opinion for something you supposedly don't give a shit about?
>I think I might be done with the MCU for real this time. I should have stopped after Endgame, but curiosity got the best of me. Not anymore though.
A very pretentious reaction pic
>Tenoch Huerta
this bothers me more they casted this crybaby than any Namor mischaracterization
the Namor design just reminds me of the Ixalan merman from MtG which is maybe not the best compliment that an MCU movie is getting compared to generic fantasy art from a card game
His breasts are quite suckable, 7/10 still a manlet
where tf was he when Thanos was killing everyone
Whinning about whities
Eating nachos.
Another Kevin Feige example of how you can make things worse than the source
It's not about you, it's about what will work for millions of normal people who have never read a comic.
Of course he's Mexican, look at those chola eyebrows. Anyway he's hot so I have no idea what all the b***hing is about.
>he's hot
Stop posting Tenoch.
eh, this board whines and complains as a form of recreation. It doesn't mean anything.
>MCU Males: Buff men in hot boi hoochie shorts
>MCU Females: Women in padded, fake space military gear that hides their figure.
Every time. Why does Kevin hate sex appeal on females? I'm shocked Red Scarab was so good, figure it's cause he doesn't give as much of a frick about the D+ shows.