Carol, Sam, Strange, Scott, Shang Chi and Thor as the core cast for the first movie with a bunch of glorified cameos, then literally everyone including Steve, Tony, all 3 Spider-men and the foX-men for Secret Wars using the multiversal collapse as an excuse
Eternals flopped.
Dr Strange 2 underperformed since they were banking on it make 1.2 billion at least.
Thor 4 barely escaped being called a flop, but won't even break 700 million and severely underperformed.
He's right though. Ticket sales are divided between the studio and the theaters ticket sales. So not all that is going to Disney. After that you've got to pay off the marketing budget which often isn't included in the production budget numbers.
>Lowest performing MCU movies >Underperformed because of Covid >Basically made F4/X-Men levels of money >Everyone thinks F4 and X-Men are the big thing that will save the MCU
secret war is the beginning of the reboot of the mcu it sets up heroes reborn and is when they recast all the original Avengers with younger cheaper actors its gonna be the biggest hit when they show Captain Americas shield and Tonys armor at the end credits and say the AVENGERS WILL RETURN.
>inb4 nice fan fic
they said for a while Tony and Steve will return if they have stories to tell for them and they around the time of secret wars is when people will be willing to accept a new recast for the avengers. If your to young to remember people were excited for ASM and wanted to see a new peter parker and for sony a cheaper peter parker
Nah, 6 years sinc endgame? Kang Dynasty is gonna make MONEY
Secret Wars being 6 months later is trash and i hope they change that. That one i’m not so certain about. It’ll make money but that’s some serious fatigue
Black person Secret Wars is likely going to bring back as many, and I mean as many characters as they can, not just Tobey and Andrew, but all of them, it's not gonna flop, it's gonna make 3 billion dollars.
Bringing that many A-list actors only means the salary costs are going to skyrocket, and the visual effects to top the Infinity War saga will need to be much more striking to convey even greater grandiosity. All of that, in the middle of what seems like a global economic slump to come, and long after something like IW stopped being novelty and became routine.
The average person goes to the theater like what? Once or twice a year? They’re spacing two big Avengers movies barely six months apart. Six fricking months. People are already jaded and tired of MCU shit, now Marvel is telling its audience it needs to see these two films within half a year of each other. There’s no breathing room with the property as it is now, I can’t believe they are doubling down on it. Despite the shallowness of projects, this will cement the MCU fatigue.
Audiences are bleeding either way, it's a balance of striking while the iron is still somewhat warm and cooling it with too many movies.
They'd probably adjust things once they see how successful the other shows still are.
They're doing the same thing as Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions which is weird considering the latter underperformed because they released too close together. Infinity War and Endgame were spaced out just enough that audiences wanted to see the second part of the story.
>They're doing the same thing as Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions which is weird considering the latter underperformed because they released too close together
Revolutions came out close to a stacked December too with LOTR and HP and other stuff like Last Samurai, so maybe people saved their ticket money for other movies, perhaps Reloaded turned off a bit too many, and perhaps a bit too many people didn't like it either and word of mouth hurt it
That and I think people were already a little divided over Reloaded so word of mouth might of hurt Revolutions a lot more then. I enjoyed both sequels enough but each one is a step down from the last. The Russos aren't involved with these Avengers films apparently so that's a bit of risk right there. Raimi could maybe handle it but on movies like that he'd have even less creative control than on DS2. But I believe most of MoM's problems were caused by Feige's overall vision and Waldron's writing, Raimi directed the hell out of it.
Phase 4 really is just the Side Quest wrap-up
Not that I have a problem with that. Phase 1 felt like Side Quest ramp-up before Avengers 2012 shifted things into hyper gear
Sony had a security leak a few years ago and the stipulations of the Sony / Marvel Spider Man deal were revealed. There was all kinds of stuff like Peter Parker never being allowed to swear or do drugs in any portrayal of him, but he also must also be a straight white male. He also can't die in any way that could be dishonor his character. It sounds like a shit post but it's true. You can verify this yourself. They aren't killing him.
Is there even room to include these characters? They'd need projects to get them into Avengers tier first unless the first movie is literally a YA-plus-others movie in disguise.
America, Cassie, Billy, and Tommy are already set
Kamala is already in there
Nathaniel Richards is easily doable
Teddy can be in Secret Invasion and/or the Marvels if it includes any Kree shit
Sure, they exist, but none of them except maybe Kate has any business being an Avenger at this point (and her only because of the age issue). There's a step missing, and these other shows and movies don't seem to be about them.
Kamala would love to be an Avenger since her role model is an Avenger. Marvels might set her up as one.
Cassie can easily take the mantle after Scott.
Tommy and Billy will be there redeeming Wanda.
All the pieces are there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a matter of them organically becoming Avengers. Kamala joining Carol might work thanks to the Marvels, but taking on a mantle requires some kind of display of competence beforehand, redeeming Wanda requires growing up and becoming heroes in their own right etc. That shit is for second-tier material.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wanda has to redeem herself by destroying Chthon and wiping out chaos magic forever.
>Kate Bishop
Who cares? If "Hawkeye" who had an actual hero name was very unpopular, now imagine this >America Chavez
Again... no superhero name is a bad move I think >Cassie Lang
Who? >Kamala Khan
Might b cool I guess >Billy and Tommy
Who? >Nathaniel Richards
WHO?
I have a feeling they'll recast Kid Loki to age him up slightly like Billy and Tommy. There's also pic related from Parasite who's a big star and would be a draw for the series too if he is Marvel Boy. And Kit Connor from Heartstopper for Hulkling.
>Spider-Man (maybe even Garfield and Maguire) >Captain America (Sam) >Fantastic Four >Dr. Doom >Shang Chi >Captain Marvel (and also probably Ms Marvel and Spectrum) >She Hulk >Hulk >Thor >Jane Thor >Korg >Valkyrie >Hawkeye (probably both Kate and Clint, cause he’ll never rest until he dies) >Yelena >Black Panther >Doctor Strange >Loki (assuming he’s not wrapped up by Loki season 2, I mean he’s partly responsible for all this going down anyway) >Sylvie >remaining Guardians members/new members >Adam Warlock >Ant man >Wasp >Cassie Lang >Scarlet Witch >Billy and Tommy >Vision >Nick Fury >the Eternals to some capacity >Black Knight >X-Men (to some capacity)
They’ll also probably bring back Chris Evans and RDJ, idk If they’ll use any of the other “street level” heroes like Moon knight, blade, or daredevil. These 2 movies will probably have every character under the sun, and that’s not even counting other universe counterparts/other characters in the other universe we haven’t seen yet. Pretty sure this movie will deal with two universes fighting each other to survive an incursion, which the main MCU (616 I guess) will be destroyed, but all the characters will just hop into the new universe. Oh yeah, also Sony is setting up their own Multiverse shit with madame web presumably, so we can possibly get >Venom >Spider Woman >Other peters (as mentioned) >maybe Miles >maybe Spider Gwen
Movies are gonna be stacked.
Forgot to also mention >Deadpool >Nova
I bet we’ll get something X-Men prior to Kang Dynasty or in between Kang and Secret wars (the other universe fighting the MCU in Secret wars could have X-Men be prevalent).
So whatever happened to that World War Hulk 2 part rumor? Still happening or nah
Probably early phase 6, if they want crazy rage monster Hulk in time for the avengers stuff
It'll be >Captain Falcon >War Machine >Hercules >She-Hulk or Prof Hulk >Ant Man & Wasp >Black Panthress >Black Widow >Dr Strange >Captain Marvel
Maybe Shang Chi will be there as well. I think Spider-Man's going solo after NWH. Stature, Kate, America, Kamala are all too young and too new. Yelena might eventually be an Avenger though.
The only person I'm interested to actually see are Shang Chi and Sam
Peter maybe but it'll be weird with the memory reset
>Kate Bishop >America Chavez >Cassie Lang >Kamala Khan >Billy and Tommy >Nathaniel Richards
Young Avengers will show up for sure, I hope they work on getting these kids' chemistry down properly.
Avengers 2012 was basically entirely riding on the chemistry of the cast. Kate and Kamala will probably be fine, It's Billy and Tommy that I'm skeptical of
Haven't seen MoM, how's America in it?
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Spiderman is on the youth team for sure
Also, I hope we get the Based team >Wong >Mbaku
That's it
FalCap, White Vision, Strange, Ant-Man, the guardians probably, and I've got nothing after that.
Hulk/She-Hulk maybe? Most definitely Thor, even though his whole last movie was about how he was basically done fighting.
The entire shit plot of Phase 4 through 6 is going to be about how Kang split the original timeline that had mutants and the Fantastic 4 in it because it led to the destruction of the universe. The heroes end up merging the branched timelines back together bringing the FF and mutants back into the MCU, but now have the threat of the Beyonder, as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
>Beyonder
Beyonder ain't gonna be anywhere near this shit. They aren't gonna do the traditional secret wars but the Hickvengers one. Kang shit will cause battleworlds stuff to happen.
I doubt it'll be a blend. They can always do the original sometime when they have X-Men and Doom introduced.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say. The 2015 secret wars is the one with battle world and god emperor doom. That could still happen in phase 6 since doom is being introduced at the end of phase 4.
Which reminds me, it’s possible that we get a solo Doom movie in phase 5 or 6.
You said:
The entire shit plot of Phase 4 through 6 is going to be about how Kang split the original timeline that had mutants and the Fantastic 4 in it because it led to the destruction of the universe. The heroes end up merging the branched timelines back together bringing the FF and mutants back into the MCU, but now have the threat of the Beyonder, as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
>threat of the Beyonder >as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
>there’s actually a third avengers movie in the same year called AVENGERS: Battle World
mite b coo
>AVENGERS: Battle World
There isn't going to be an Avengers: Battleworld is what I was saying, because the Battleworlds will be part of the Avengers: Secret Wars movies.
Kang Dynasty will screw up the timelines etc leading to an adaptation of the modern 2015 Secret Wars.
Avengers: Secret Wars will adapt the modern Secret Wars with Battleworld etc and be part of the Multiverse Saga.
We won't get aspects of the original Beyonder and the original Secret Wars (1984) until later, if at all.
wat r u talking about son
All I said is that a third movie specifically about the events of battle world might be cool. Realistically, I’d want Secret Wars to mainly adapt Time Runs Out somehow, and then have a movie dedicated To Battle World.
Probably won’t be the Beyonder most comic book fans think of, as some fricking jheri curl having weird looking White guy, but it’ll be some character that’s all powerful that creates a situation where all the heroes and villains are magically transported away to fight each other, and Doom somehow ends up stealing the all powerful characters powers and becomes a godlike being that’s a threat to all of the universe.
>Spidey comes to MCU >immediately gives him a movie the same phase they get him, make him a major part >F4 and Xmen are in MCU now >shitty cameos and retcons for other characters >no movie in P4 OR 5 >X men aint getting shit
Am i missing something here?
It's not that ad look:
Phase 5 will have 12 installments, out of those 5 are series, 7 are movies.
Phase 6 will have 11 installments, we know about 3 movies, It's safe to assume that there'll be at least 3 more. I still have hope.
Probably one of those is Spider-Man 4.
And we might also get Captain America 5 or Thor 5 or Captain Marvel 3 or Guardians of the Galaxy 4 or Black Panther 3 or Doctor Strange 3
>They're going with the whole "we always existed but were in hiding because society is mean to us" thing
I'd heard that the X-Men were coming via the multiverse rather than already being in the MCU current. I suspect they could be introduced in Secret Wars and then when everything is rebooted it'll be like they always existed on 616.
But I felt like the MCU should end or at least reboot with phase 6 because that's a nice round number like Star Wars (before the sequels) and then they put all the attention on the X-Men, Fantastic Four and probably Spider-Man who should've always been the center of the Marvel Universe imo but Feige was left with the B/C-listers and had to center everything around the Avengers instead.
I feel like a multiverse X-Men could be less impactful in a way, but it would probably be a bit less convoluted than my theory.
Also, personally I want this current iteration MCU to go on for a long while, I feel like there's a lot that can be done before hitting the hard reset button. Do a soft-reboot of sorts after Secret Wars: New avengers lineup + spinoff teams (Young Avengers, Midnight Sons/Suns, etc,), X-Men and Fantastic Four fully established, Spider-Man front and center (probably Miles Morales, even though I want another Peter Parker trilogy), hell, maybe even an Iron Man recast or some shit, but keep the current canon intact. Then, do three more sagas: one primarily focused on Mutants, one primarily focused on the new Avengers type teams, and then go out with a bang by doing a huge Galactus centered phase with a 3 movie finale to the MCU as a whole.
Yeah but I was thinking unlike with Krasinski Reed Richards they'd introduce the actors who will be playing the 616 X-Men to prepare us for Phase 7, maybe Secret Wars is even partially about passing the torch over to teams like the F4 and X-Men.
And I get what you mean but rebooting the timeline just keeps things from getting too messy. And if they want to make small changes like having Norman Osborn exist in the main MCU and being a villain in Tom Holland's next Spidey trilogy like in the Freshman cartoon, a soft reboot is the best way to incorporate these things to avoid criticisms like "why didn't these characters show up in the MCU until now or never get mentioned?". A soft reboot doesn't mean story threads from the previous phase can't continue, it's the equivalent of Marty getting back to 1985 at the end of BttF and seeing some things have changed or pic related. That's how I'd treat a phase 7 616.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what I'm saying. I'm okay with, and actually am starting to like the idea of a soft-reboot. I just don't want a full on hard reset (as in none of the previous movies matter, it's phase 1 again, etc,) for a long while because a lot more can be done before a hard reset would even start to become necessary.
>phase 5 haves tons of movies >phase 6 have 3 >2025 just have 2 movies
what the frick happened? is this the end?
Phase 6 will have more movies and shows, there is 8 slots that aren't Fantastic Four, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, and Avengers: Secret Wars. It's definitely not the end of the MCU, but maybe there will be a soft-reboot of sorts.
So phase 4 and 5 have no Avengers and then they shit out two of them in 6 but they have nothing to do with each other?
>2 avengers movies in the same year >one six months after another
arte they fricking moronic???
It's almost certainly gonna be a part 1 / part 2 situation.
The Kang Dynasty will end on a big cliffhanger à la Infinity War, probably with Doom killing Kang, and that somehow causing all of the Marvel film multiverses to merge / collide. (Also, I'm thinking they're gonna combine a lot of the older Marvel films to make things simpler, looking something like this): >Late 90s / Early 2000s Marvel
Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Nicolas Cage's Ghost Rider, Ben Affleck's Daredevil, Wesley Snipes' Blade, and Eric Bana's Hulk >The FoxVerse
Fox X-Men, 2005 Fantastic Four >The Sonyverse
Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, Tom Hardy's Venom, Morbius, whatever else they shit out by then
Then, Secret Wars will be about Battleworld, multiversal frickery, and Doctor Doom
2 years ago
Anonymous
It'd be pretty much like the Marvel comics where they soft reboot every so many years to keep things from becoming too convoluted/restrictive. But you'd still be able to acknowledge major events like the Battle of NYC or the Snap. Nothing like a DC's New 52 tier hard reboot where they throw almost everything out. Marvel wouldn't want to cut ties with the MCU for a long while. That day might come but not in the 2020s.
>They're going with the whole "we always existed but were in hiding because society is mean to us" thing
They are not going to be that stupid when they literally have the multiverse excuse and Secret Wars will end with at least two universes combining, or the survivors of destroyed universes escaping to those that were spared.
>Spidey comes to MCU >immediately gives him a movie the same phase they get him, make him a major part >F4 and Xmen are in MCU now >shitty cameos and retcons for other characters >no movie in P4 OR 5 >X men aint getting shit
Am i missing something here?
Sony still owns the license so they probably forced them to not sit on it
X-men has a lot more baggage and characters to set up also was still getting stuff like this shit coming out
F4 has no excuse
Well, thanks to the phase lineups, I now know that I will continue to not give a single frick about MCU shows for the next 3 and a half years. It's a nice liberating feeling, too bad both this board and real life ads in every corner will be reminding me nonstop of these movie's existence
Forgot to also mention >Deadpool >Nova
I bet we’ll get something X-Men prior to Kang Dynasty or in between Kang and Secret wars (the other universe fighting the MCU in Secret wars could have X-Men be prevalent).
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Probably early phase 6, if they want crazy rage monster Hulk in time for the avengers stuff
Ah well, Hulk will get his movie someday
Also really hope they focus more on direction with Phase 5. I get 4 was building up, but half of the movies/shows felt like filler and could’ve been cut out. Easily the worst phase by far
I feel like Phase 4 will fee a lot more impactful by the time 5 and 6 rolls around >Shang chi expanded upon probably >Thor returning and who he is after Thor 4 >more Falcon and winter soldier >More Wanda/Agatha
Doctor strange 2 and Loki will probably have the biggest impact >Loki partly responsible for the multiverse even happening, introduction of Kang >Doctor Strange 2 ends with the news of a possible incursion, Strange 3 (probably happening shortly after Fantastic 4 in phase 6) will probably deal with failing to stop said incursion, with the 2 avengers movies dealing with fighting another universe to survive.
Phase 5 will probably start to lean towards what they’re calling “the Multiverse Saga”, but not fully being there until phase 6
Feels like filler now we know what's coming. Loki season 2, Daredevil and them branching out with more animated shows is fine but some of that other stuff just sounds boring and like milking the brand. And you know shows like Echo, Armor Wars and Ironheart are going to rely on cameos and teases for more interesting projects. We already know that's the case with Echo because Daredevil and Kingpin are in it.
The MCU's largest mistake was not just naturally transitioning to other important characters like the Fantastic Four and the Illuminati earlier. Trying to build on top of Iron Man and Captain America after the actors that made them have left is a losing battle.
Who the frick is going to fight Kang? Falcon, Strange, and Captain Marvel? No one cares about them.
Mutant Saga hopefully. But that in and of itself could have cosmic elements if they bring in things like the Shi'ar, Brood or tackle War of Kings and Dark Phoenix in more depth.
Now that they have the rights to Silver Surfer I doubt it. My guess is he either has a role in Wonder Man with Wanda, Armor Wars because of his Jarvis roots or Thunderbolts if he gets manipulated to join the team. My bet is Wonder Man because they can give him his "soul" back in that via Simon Williams brainwaves or something like in the comics and from there they can do the West Coast Avengers thing.
Connecting MCU Vision to Wonderman just because it happened in the comics would be the worst kind of synergy, doing something just because it happened in the comics, regardless of whether it's good for the character.
Just let Wonderman's show be a self-contained comedy about a superhero trying to make it in Hollywood. Trying to make him 'the real Vision' or 'Wanda's new love interest' will only achieve the same thing as it did in comics, and make him hated by their fans.
Wanda's rumored to be in it so we'll see I guess, a self contained solid story like Moon Knight would be fine by me if it's good. I think at the very least it'd be a cool way of setting up West Coast Avengers with the LA setting. Plus White Vision being drawn to Hollywood and trying to understand humanity through actors and films would give it a similar theme to WandaVision with it's sitcom angle.
I wasn't thinking it'd be like the comics because it'd be Simon meeting Vision for the first time and them becoming friends maybe like a comedic duo where Vis is the straight man. If they did this I think it'd be cool if they put Wanda in Agatha's show as part of her Coven and we get Wanda and Vision being spilt between two shows setting up a reunion in the future.
Stuff they didn't announce earlier: >Armor Wars >Werewolf by Night >Wakanda spinoff starring Okoye and the Dora Milaje >Wonder Man >Deadpool 3 >Spider-Man 4 >Eternals 2 >Shang-Chi 2 >Ten Rings spinoff starring Xialing >Nova
More vague/far off stuff: >Black Widows spinoff with Yelena, Melina, Red Guardian and the Red Room survivors >Man-Thing >Midnight Sons/MI13 with Blade, Black Knight and Moon Knight (Captain Britain and Ghost Rider potentially?) >Young Avengers project
Sounds like they're replacing Doom with Kang for Secret Wars tbh. Hoping they keep Doom more Earth-based and he's the post-Kang overarching villain, scale things back for a while after the multiverse saga.
Adding to this post, if they have the Mutants and then introduce Genosha, plus Latveria, Atlantis, Ten Rings, and Wakanda they can do a lot more Earth worldbuilding having someone like Doom manipulating geopolitics and trying to take over the world.
Someone posted this on Cinemaphile yesterday and no one believed including me, but here we are and some of these titles are now official so take this how you will.
>Captain America: New World Order >Captain America: Red, White and Black >Shang-Chi and the Wreckage of Time >Eternity War >Thunderbolts >Midnight Sons >Nomad >Black Knight: Origins >Red Guardian: Generations >Hercules: Rise of the Gods >Runaways: A New Era >Celestials: End of Time >Avengers Academy >Avengers Excursion >Avengers: Timeless >Avengers: The Kang Dynasty >Avengers: Secret Wars >The Timeless Saga >The Eternity Saga >The Multiverse Saga
Playing devil's advocate they do trademark multiple names for the same project just in case they change their minds like they did with the Agatha series. Some of these sound really fake while others not so much but who knows with what obscure projects the MCU will greenlight these days.
Eternity War and Eternity Saga could be Eternals related, the former being the subtitle for a potential sequel maybe. Avengers Timeless sounds like a scrapped title.
Seems like they are playing a long game with Xmen, will likely tease them here and there, add mutants to the background of these movies and then in a few years when people have lost interest announce the first Xmen movie if they need an ace in the hole.
I was never a huge Marvel fan growing up so the popularity of the characters and teams is a little lost on me. Spider-Man and Hulk are definitely up there but besides them I always thought Wolverine and the X-Men were huge. I hadn't even heard of the Avengers until the movie.
Either way it makes sense they're biding their time with the X-Men since they'll want to put some distance between them and the Fox-Men and they know characters of that calibre will rejuvenate the brand if casual audiences do start to get bored with the all these C/D-list comics characters they're trying to level up.
Black but it looks like he has the blue mask or some kind of prosthetic in the Ant-Man poster. They might also have variants played by different actors. Like I could see them casting a white actor as one Kang variant to throw us off at first. Maybe Iron Lad is white.
They're loosely inspired by the comics, at a conceptual level basically. Sometimes they'll take moments and try to recreate them for brownie points but they'll never adapt something in a way films try to do with novels like Dune, LOTR or Harry Potter.
Marvel and DC are treated more like mythologies than any single story. If it's a graphic novel it has a better chance of being adapted more faithfully like Watchmen which at least resembles the plot of the comic overall.
Uh they only ever started the MCU because they asked black fury's actor if they could do a likeness character of him and he'd star in their movie franchise
That's all they cared about
Miles being a success was just pure luck
The entire fricking series of Ultimate Marvel was a set up for their movie franchise starting with cemeting in black Fury's actor
That has nothing to do with what I said, when they did Secret Wars they wanted to end the Ultimate universe and only cared about saving Miles. They already had a Sam Jackson Fury on 616.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So we're agreed: you're changing your argument now
The only thing they ever did fricking care originally about was Fury being black so they could have black actor Fury
mexican Spider-Man was something they had already forced into other areas
Secret Wars was done to end the Ultimate line because their little shitshow of success to pilot test alternate adventures for a movie franchise was done
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't change anything, I said Miles Morales was the only OC they cared to save when they ended Ultimate and I stand by that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then you're trolling and I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to admit the MCU is a thing
What big Avengers event do they have left after this? Avengers vs. X-men?
Quite a lot actually
Remember, they're actively ignoring what the comic events are about to get the names only so shit like
Contest of Champions, Acts of Vengence, Maximum Security, Dark Reign, etc
not to mention the Avengers shit themselves
You can add in fantastic four and x-men since they're definitely being brought in the next section of the phases
Ultimately just take any fricking plot from the comic and say 'there, take the name, shit all over the comic and we have the next phase'
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there, take the name, shit all over the comic and we have the next phase'
The comics weren't very good either, hell everyone agrees the Civil War movie was better than the original.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because it wasn't based on Civil War at all
That's the whole point of the movies
Comics do not translate to live media at all, ever
Cartoons can sometimes do it but live media will never work
I think this is what's more likely but I have my doubts about any Eternals joining the team tbh >Ant-Man >Wasp >Captain Falcon >Shang-Chi >Captain Marvel >Black Panther (Shuri or M'Baku most likely) >Thena or Kingo for the comic relief
I don't think Doctor Strange will be involved this time and he was never a full time Avenger anyway. He's one of my favorite characters too but I don't want him carrying everything or jobbing. I don't think Kamala will be on the main team even if she was in that cruise ship video thing, it'd be weird letting a kid join the team, at least with Spider-Man it wasn't as obvious he was a kid to everyone, Cap was surprised anyway.
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Also I think it'd be good development for Scott to be leading the New Avengers with Hope since Ant-Man and the Wasp were founding members of the comic Avengers and they never got that in the MCU.
>I don't think Doctor Strange will be involved this
I think he’s gotta be, secret wars will probably be dealing with an incursion that was failed to stop in Strange 3, so he’s gotta be there doing something in the avengers movies, maybe not on the frontlines like IW but dealing with controlling things some other way
Unless he has bigger fish to fry in DS3 and he's busy during that time. But if he shows up in Avengers 5 or 6 I'd like it more if it's in Battleworld and he's introduced as a lieutenant of Kang like he worked under Doom in the comics, but he ultimately betrays him playing the long game like he did in Infinity War. Just because I figure Strange being on the Avengers again would be kind of lame for him. I like him to be off on his own mission a little like Gandalf, he meets the heroes now and again but he's helping them out in his own way elsewhere.
There’s probably gonna be a ton more characters than that too, probably some multiverse shenanigans too and just bringing back others (Steve rogers, Stark, both Sony Spider-Man). Tom Holland Spider-Man will probably be on both, seems like something he’d do. I’m curious to whether if he’ll have the black suit by then, we know some symbiote is on earth so I would think he’d have it before that, and actually have it until secret wars
>that image
Well if those ingredients were fresh and in proper proportion, the burger would be considered healthy. It's like saying a sandwich bought at the gas station is the same as one made at home when really that gas station sandwich has more preservatives and salts added to everything to add more shelf life. The sub sandwiches have like 1200% your daily intake of salt alone.
Not even doomsaying, but I genuinely can't see the MCU lasting much longer. People are already starting to openly, publicly check out. Nothing is ever going to be as popular as the infinity Saga and Disney just looks desperate to recapture that. Franchises cannot last forever and they need to understand that.
Every single time a MCU movie has ended with "[X] will return" I just can't see myself waiting another 8 years to see what mediocre movie they're going to get next.
Frankly I checked out around the time they started doing post-credit scenes with other films' heroes because it instantly screamed "we're going to pull the same shit we did in comics where you have to buy different runs to get a 'full' saga, and it'll work here because it hasn't been done to death in films yet". I already hate the idea of being married to a writer in comics rather than a character, now they want me to do the same with directors, except for when those directors are even more homoegenised under the Mouse
Do you think they’ll do a twist where Doom is just another Kang? There’s not enough time between the Fantastic Four film and Secret Wars go really build him up on his own.
Did you miss the part where there were Superman movies that were successful? Trying to reboot something that made a lot of money in the past makes sense. Repeatedly rebooting something audiences didn't really care about makes no sense at all.
No one had a clue who Black Adam was until he was a meta monkey tier prostitute pick in Injustice. That's literally what caused it. It was the first domino to fall.
He wasn't even that big of a deal there but Injustice was popular and it's the only real thing of note Black Adam's been in so it'd be the place most people recognize him from.
Honestly I hope they retire the Avengers as major MCU team after Secret Wars and have the main groups be the F4 and X-Men with Future Foundation being introduced down the line to expand the former's roster. Then just have smaller Avengers teams scattered around like West Coast, Great Lakes and Young but no more THE Avengers.
After two underperforming movies and an outright bomb it doesn't make any sense that they'd even be planning a new F4 movie in the first place.
I liked the Tim Story Fantastic Four movies. And the cartoon was cool. When I read the comics I realized they were playing pretty safe with the movies, especially Doom, but that's normal for early 2000s superhero flicks.
>but no more THE Avengers.
that’s basically what it is now though, “the avengers” were pretty much just the core cast of Avengers 1/2, and most of them are either dead/retired/solo, the only reason it’s still called “Avengers” is because it’s just what they’ll call team up movies
They're still trying to force the Avengers as a thing though like the organization has to continue despite nearly every major member being out of action. The ending of Shang-Chi was the most blatant example. Just let Shang-Chi and Katy start their own team like Agents of Atlas or the Protectors, or join the Masters of the Mystic Arts like America Chavez, even better introduce the Defenders into the main MCU as the successors to the Avengers under Strange/Wong. Wong has a Nick Fury-like role at this point with the way he's showing up in everything and recruiting people anyway.
Just because they interact with other characters doesn’t mean they’re gonna instantly Team up with them and stay that way, next Shang Chi will probably have no crossover characters at all, maybe just iron fist or something
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think Wong said they're Avengers yet so you're probably right there. I just hope they branch out and create new teams. Like I said you already have Wong and Kamar-Taj so they can be to the Defenders what SHIELD was to the Avengers. I think Shang-Chi would fit in better there. And then if they bring back all the Netlfix heroes they can rebrand them as Heroes for Hire maybe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't think Wong said they're Avengers
How would they even be considered avengers? The only avengers currently are >Captain America (Sam) >Captain Marvel >Hulk
And the rest are doing their own thing, even Captain Marvel is, she basically just came in Endgame and went away again. The point of phase 4 I think is building up these smaller teams, to where they’ll join up eventually for the two Avengers movies, so far we have and have the possibility of >Midnight Suns (moon knight, blade) >Street Level heroes (Spider-Man, Daredevil, don’t know if they’ll reintroduce Jessica jones but it was rumored) >Thunderbolts >Fantastic Four >Sorcerers (doctor strange, wong, America Chavez, Rintrah) >Shield/remnants of shield( Nick Fury, Mariah hill, whoever else in Secret Invasion) >Sword I guess? >Young Avengers? (Kate bishop, Cassie Lang) >Wakanda >whatever remains of the Guardians after 3
And there’s probably more than that too
2 years ago
Anonymous
Midnight Sons is interesting because they purposely set Moon Knight in London to move away from everything being based in New York. But there's Kit Harington's Black Knight and potentially Captain Britain+MI13 too if that's the start of some UK MCU worldbuilding. They just announced they're building a massive studio in England around 2025 that's going to be for Disney+ and Netflix stuff so we might start getting a lot more MCU shot in the UK instead of everything in Atlanta.
The Disney+ shows were always mostly filler. It's just incentive to keep people subscribed to the service and a means for Feige to advertise upcoming movies were they make the real money. >WandaVision made Wanda super popular and her fans went to see Multiverse of Madness >Loki hypes up Kang so people go watch Ant-Man 3
etc.
I mean the MCU has never been that precious about which villains they place where considering a lot of their less popular heroes don't have very big rogues galleries or share villains with others. But no MODOK is the main villain of Ant-Man 3, who in the MCU is Darren Cross mutated from being trapped in the Quantum Realm. Kang saves him and sends him after the Ant family. The connection to Ant-Man is probably only there because of the Quantum Tunnel thing they introduced in Endgame and Kang is a time traveler so he'd be interested in that tech.
Speaking of characters that aren't from Ant-Man, Bill Murray is playing the ruler of some Quantum Realm civilization who was only in the Hulk comics.
There’s gonna be multiple Kangs presumably until Kang Dynasty/Secret wars >Kang/Immortus in Loki >Kang in Ant Man >Kang probably also in Loki season 2 >Kang Dynasty (could be multiple Kang given the name)
Fantastic four might even have one
>WandaVision made Wanda super popular and her fans went to see Multiverse of Madness
The complete lack of any kind of damage control announcement makes it look like Disney still have no idea how badly they've screwed up here.
I have a feeling they think the presence of Agatha material will suggest there's more Wanda coming later. They're also pretending she's dead, so a clear announcement would be kind of silly.
A clear announcement now might appease some of the people who are really angry about this, and at a time when they definitely need to be trying to win back former fans they've lost, that's arguably more important than keeping her return a surprise post-credit scene in something years down the line. They're also not announcing anything at all for Vision and we have no idea if they're planning a surprise appearance somewhere for him, or they just have no plans at all.
Even an announcement that they'll both be part of the Avengers team in those movies would be something.
Marvel doesn't know what to do with Wanda no matter the medium. Where are her tie-in comics? Why not give her a solo movie or another D+ series instead of cramming her into Doctor Strange?
>Marvel doesn't know what to do with Wanda no matter the medium. Where are her tie-in comics?
Marvel Comics spent fifteen years not wanting to use Wanda because writers and editors, actual grown human beings, were angry at the character over what previous Marvel writers and editors did with her, and they won't do a WandaVision comic because they don't ship it, and because they don't personally like it, they'd rather leave money on the table just to make sure nobody else is allowed to read about it. They don't seem to care about her at all and act like they've just been hoping to keep on ignoring her, and wait out her time in the MCU. All they do want to do is use her as a supporting character to Magneto, something her fans have no interest in.
>Why not give her a solo movie or another D+ series instead of cramming her into Doctor Strange?
Because MoM was their plan. This was what they always wanted to do with her, "because it happened in the comics", and her getting so popular that people rejected it wasn't planned or expected. Marvel Comics are just leaving money on the table, but Disney really don't seem to understand just how badly they've screwed up with what they've done to her in the MCU. There's a real possibility that they're stubborn enough to double down on trying to push her as a villain, or moronic enough to try pushing new love interests for her or for Vision instead of having them find each other again.
Why don't the comics people like her exactly? As for the MCU, I can only speculate but maybe Feige was setting Wanda up to be his own Jean Grey before they got the rights to the X-Men back, and he never course corrected. I know Feige is a big X-Men fan though so it'd be weird to do that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why don't the comics people like her exactly?
A mixture of people who agree with John Byrne's disgust for her robosexuality, and people who saw taking the powers away from mutant NPCs as 'genocide'. Quesada and Bendis using Wanda as a plot device to achieve that made her unforgiveable to them, and the comics refused to ever let it go or move past it. Those same comics insisted that the mutants trying to take the Inhumans' powers away wasn't genocide, because it's OK when mutants do it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds really petty tbh. If they love synergy so much make comic Wanda more like the MCU version and remove that controversial history from her backstory if it bothers them. But the aversion to her relationship wih Vision would explain why they've been kept apart in the comics for years and Vision got his own family instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It really is that petty, and it's been going on since 1989. In the 2010s, when they knew exactly what the MCU was doing, Marvel responded by attempting to push both Wanda and Vision into relationships with other characters just so they couldn't be together. Remender's Uncanny Avengers and Tom King's Vision book are both trying to force the idea that Vision needs to be with his own kind, because him being married to a human woman just really triggers the autism of someone within Marvel. Wanda and Vision getting popular IRL with people who don't read comics doesn't seem to have convinced these people to reconsider or that they could make money from them.
>Marvel learned nothing from the 90s and it's all going to lead to an inevitable crash, and will ruin one of the strongest arms of the mouse
lol Also I really don't give a shit about any of these projcts, like at all. Fricking Iron Heart? Really?
There’s still some untitled movie dates coming in 2024/2025/2026, there’s also a lot they didn’t mention, like Armor Wars and the Werewolf special. Also Spider-Man stuff is probably coming in those years as well, but that’s on Sony to announce that
It could be bs but I heard Cruise did shoot scenes and they were cut to be repurposed for Secret Wars. Considering how much didn't make it into Thor Love and Thunder (Peter Dinklage, Jeff Goldblum, lena Headey, Russel Crowe as Mephisto, ValkyriexSif romance) it wouldn't be that crazy, the Wanda killing Mordo rumor was already confirmed via concept art.
The scene sounded like a post credit thing though. He shows up at the Illuminati HQ after Wanda's massacre and that's it. Might be setting up Superior Iron Man leading an incursion to get revenge.
Less cutting room floor more scrapped concept but it's kind of crazy they went from Mephisto to Zeus. That and the fact the Hercules actor has no clue if he'll return in the MCU makes me think they're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks now.
https://twitter.com/KenBarthelmey/status/1549774141485637634/photo/2
The Mephisto thing might've been clickbait. tbh they could've gone that route and then treated Crowe's Satan like Trevor Slattery when the actual Mephisto comes along. Do the Council of Red even. Take advantage of the "X is Mephisto" meme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Do the Council of Red even.
I feel like that would’ve been the idea, instead of going to omnipotent city they could’ve just gone to hell or where the council of red is, replace all the gods with satans
>It could be bs but I heard Cruise did shoot scenes and they were cut to be repurposed for Secret Wars.
No "could be". It is 100% BS. The only character who was seriously considered for the Illuminati and scrapped was Ghost Rider.
>Peter Dinklage, Jeff Goldblum, lena Headey
All gag scenes
>Russel Crowe as Mephisto
Satan, and they just swapped that out for Zeus.
That was only stirred up because Cambell himself said he’d be in it, and then the plot got leaked where it said balder is in, so people put those together
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/w5thv5/grace_randolph_reveals_she_found_out_valkyrie_and/
Just found out that Valkyrie and Sif thing came from Grace Randolph anyway so take with a pile of salt. But Sif does have a tiny role in the movie she definitely had more scenes doing something. And yeah probably all gags or Gorr killing those characters off but my point was that a lot of the cameos were cut. Maybe they were all holed up in Omnipotence City and there would've been goofy comedy bits with them that didn't add anything to the plot.
What... grace randolph lied about knowing spoilers for a superhero movie!!!! This really brings her legitimacy into question and I do not know whether I can truly trust anything she says ever again. And after all those years of being accurate for spoilers!
Clearly marvel saw her posts and changed the script.
Not only do we have the storylines themselves (Iron man 1-3 for example), we have the interactions between all storylines and a shared world (MCU Phase 1-3), but now we're also going to have to keep track of everything across phases? Like, there's going to be an arc *across* phases?
>Like, there's going to be an arc *across* phases?
This was already the case with phase 1-3, by the end of that they titled it the “Infinity Saga”, they’re just doing the same thing here by calling it the Multiverse Saga
It's the same with start wars. We had enough of a story with the original trilogy and the prequels, then they came up with the sequels. Then what? We're going to have the sequel-prequels? Same thing with Harry Potter. We had the original story, albeit shaped into eight different movies, and they wanted more with the magical beasts movies.
Hollywood is increasingly stretching what they already have across a longer period of time. It scares me. Are we that parched for new good IP's?
The phases nowadays seem so arbitrary.
P1 was pretty straight forward, get the main Avengers team together and end with a group film.
P2 was a crap shoot of loosely connected sequels.
P3 was more sequels and some new characters and end on a grand Avengers film with everyone in it.
P4 is a nothing sandwich with some multiverse thing thrown into it and the next phases dont even have an Avengers film until 2025.
I thought Marvel was sold as having grand plans thought up years in advance and yet the things announced dont seem to have any connection between them.
That seems clear now. Phase 4 is going out with a whimper. >Multiverse of Madness wasn't some Civil War tier event that broke open the multiverse (I liked the more contained story but they overhyped it) >Love & Thunder felt like complete filler with low stakes >Wakanda Forever was handicapped by the death of it's lead actor and had to scramble to create a story around while setting up Namor
I'll give credit to Shang-Chi and Eternals for trying to set up new heroes at least. If Phase 4 was more like Phase 1 introducing new heroes it would've been a clearer direction.
I feel like Boseman could’ve been a decent anchor for the MCU like RDJ was, but now that he’s gone we’ve got nothing. I hope they get some good actors for F4, otherwise I’m probably going to stop watching this shit entirely.
Yeah the MCU never had a concrete plan but they would throw ideas out there and see what gained traction. I think Boseman and Larson were both candidates to lead the MCU going forward after Endgame but Brie didn't take and they lost Boseman. I thought BP was overrated but it was a phenomenon and Chadwick embodied the character in the same way RDJ did for Iron Man, plus I liked that he was an actual serious hero and not quippy.
I feel pretty confidant saying BP2 would've been the most successful Phase 4 film based on the first film's success.
>but now that he’s gone we’ve got nothing.
We have Spider-Man
Spidey is ultimately Sony property though so they can never have him as their flagship character for risk of losing him if the deal goes south like it did before.
Love and Thunder had pretty huge stakes, with all the gods being potentially wiped out, but it just felt lowly because there was hardly any Gorr/Eternity
The stakes were high on paper but the film didn't convey it that well with how rushed it was and the comedy. They really wasted the Gorr storyline, and the Jane one. Could've been an multi movie arc in and of itself, you set up gods like Khonshu, Bast, the Eternals/Celestials and the Olympians and Gorr is brought in. In hindsight they could've used Harry Styles Starfox in Thor 4, he would've fit the tone.
It was the only movie so far where I felt like it was way too short, I think they could’ve conveyed all that with a longer run time
2 years ago
Anonymous
The studio mandated that the film be under 2 hours so they can get as many showings in as possible. Hopefully that's not a trend going forward with a lot of MCU movies.
>They really wasted the Gorr storyline
I haven't seen it. It just reminds me so much of The Dark World. >Christopher Eccleston had most of his scenes cut. >Scenes showing how Thor's grandfather killed his family. >All other kinds of explanation and build up lost.
Thor got shafted by these films: >Was meant to grow to be king. >Nah frick that.
Thor's extended cast: >Deaths turned into a joke or written out for reasons.
Odin: >Meant to have scenes implying he once set out to get the infinite stones for himself. >Meant to imply he was brutal to try and help teach Thor not to be when he is King. >Only ever hinted at this a bit in the films.
Thor series got shafted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I always thought it was a shame they abandoned the more high fantasy feel in favor of a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe, the MCU versions anyway. They were going for a fantasy epic type of when they hired Branagh and the GoT guy to director the first and second ones but they couldn't commit. They could've lightened the tone and kept it fantasy, look at Discworld or even The Hobbit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thor has had the most "course corrections" in terms of the MCU. >Thor 1 was directed by Kenneth Brannagh and made to be more Shakespearean melodrama. >The Dark World had director issues. Patty Jenkins was originally going to direct and seemed to want more of that original tone. Alan Taylor ended up directing. Film ended up a mess with cuts and issues to it. >Course corrected hard with Ragnorak. >Now we have this mess. >Sif actress injured on The Dark World was mostly cut out. >Loads of cast changes. >Ended up completely gutting any fantasy adventure feel.
>there’s actually a third avengers movie in the same year called AVENGERS: Battle World
mite b coo
I am talking about the MODERN secret wars: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book) >The storyline involves the destruction of the Marvel Universe and various other alternate universes (including those seen in the Ultimate Marvel and Marvel 2099 imprints, the "Age of Apocalypse" storyline, the Marvel 1602 universe, and the "House of M" storyline), with each universe's respective Earth combining with each other into Battleworld, a planet that exhibits the aspects of the various universes.
Since this film is part of the Multiverse Saga it won't be the original Secret Wars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t get what you’re trying to say. The 2015 secret wars is the one with battle world and god emperor doom. That could still happen in phase 6 since doom is being introduced at the end of phase 4.
Which reminds me, it’s possible that we get a solo Doom movie in phase 5 or 6.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doom could probably even stop Kang and be the main villain for Secret Wars
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think that’s the obvious way to go, but I’m sure Disney will frick it up somehow
2 years ago
Anonymous
That’d be an amazing twist to have Doom take out Kang after all the Kang buildup.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There’s gonna be plenty of kang (at least versions of him) before Kamg dynasty so he’ll probably have a good run.
I doubt it'll be a blend. They can always do the original sometime when they have X-Men and Doom introduced.
[...]
You said:
[...] >threat of the Beyonder >as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
[...] >AVENGERS: Battle World
There isn't going to be an Avengers: Battleworld is what I was saying, because the Battleworlds will be part of the Avengers: Secret Wars movies.
Kang Dynasty will screw up the timelines etc leading to an adaptation of the modern 2015 Secret Wars.
Avengers: Secret Wars will adapt the modern Secret Wars with Battleworld etc and be part of the Multiverse Saga.
We won't get aspects of the original Beyonder and the original Secret Wars (1984) until later, if at all.
Doom is getting introduced as early as black panther 2 possibly, he could have his own solo outings/more teases/appearances like Thanos has before F4, which is conveniently also before the next Avengers movies
2 years ago
Anonymous
Think about it structurally, Kang is who they are building up to. Sure rumours are Doom instigates the conflict between Atlantis and Wakanda, is in F4 etc. But making him the overall villain at the end seems rushed? Save that for later.
wat r u talking about son
All I said is that a third movie specifically about the events of battle world might be cool. Realistically, I’d want Secret Wars to mainly adapt Time Runs Out somehow, and then have a movie dedicated To Battle World.
And I said those elements will be in the Avengers: Secret Wars film. They aren't going to seperate them into more films. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Not talking complex stuff here anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> They aren't going to seperate them into more films
You don’t know that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Two Avengers movies 6 months apart already.
Ands you think they will throw out a third? Sorry anon, but apply some commonsense. If they were doing a third movie in some trilogy they most likely would have annouced it and not 2/3s of it. You're wanting too much and you'll be wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You underestimate Feige’s power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doesn’t comic Secret Wars last a long time? Despite it being called “Avengers Secret Wars”, they could have movies following that, also taking place on Battleworld, that focus on the characters that are there. for example, Thor 5 could be completely on Battleworld, still part of the Secret Wars story technically.
Essentially, “Secret Wars” the movie could just kick it off, while the entirety of Phase 7 could be the remainder of it. though I don’t think they’ll do that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Doesn’t comic Secret Wars last a long time?
Remember the jokes about Age of Ultron lasting a few days? > Thor 5 could be completely on Battleworld, still part of the Secret Wars story
I feel like this is a lot of wishful thinking. >while the entirety of Phase 7 could be the remainder of it
It'll set up a new status quo, probably with the X-Men and everything else. But we will not get a whole Phase of it. Feige's current approach is just to dangle a load of threads. They won't just suddenly focus on Battleworld for a whole phase.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's definitely gonna happen. The final incursion will be the new snap and Kang won't even factor in Secret Wars, just like OG Thanos died five minutes into Endgame.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I could also see movies/shows in between the 2 avengers movies ending with some of the characters getting transported to Battleworld (like how Ant Man 2 ended with some characters getting dusted)
2 years ago
Anonymous
I will concede that Thor was borderline cosmic in the comics dealing with aliens threats. Ego the Living Planet was introduced in his comic after all, but it's the comedy that's the issue. Tonally it's too close to Gunn's GotG. They could've played it straight and done a campy He-Man/Flash Gordon thing with Thor even but Taika always makes it ironic. It's everything wrong with MCU humor. Didn't Raimi want to direct a Thor movie in the 90s? I think his style of humor would be more fitting tbh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i still think Thor 1's shakesperean dialogue but with Ragnarok heavy metal Kirby esque aesthetic.
now that's a perfect Thor in my eyes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know what I would have loved in a Thor movie? Bit of adventuring. Seems like we got hints of it in early Thor movies but it was always just at the start of the film when it could have been a whole movie. Warriors 3 and Sif etc. But we got none of that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dead Jobbers 3?
never heard of 'em
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh absolutely. fantasy adventure was very missing in this. visiting all the different realms and shit.
I think Thor could've easily been like Berserk or Bastard but for general audiences.
Being brutally honest, if anything Disney and Marvel should pay us to keep up with their content. Seeing all the MCU stuff should be considered a job or a chore, rather than a hobby, at this point. I haven't even seen a single MCU Disney Plus series, and I'm even way too lazy to pirate them.
Hang on, so what the frick denotes a "phase" now?
I thought it was Avengers movies, but suddenly it's not?
And now phase 5 is only a year long, and "phase six" has TWO Avengers movies six months apart?
I'm getting really hard "Star Wars Post Last Jedi", "Disney has no idea what to do" vibes from all this. Don't like that.
>I thought it was Avengers movies, but suddenly it's not?
Nah
Phase 2 ended with Ant-man, not Age of Ultron
Phase 3 ended with Far From Home, not Endgame and it had two Avengers movies
>Wakanda Forever >Atlanteans fight off a bunch of Conquistadors. (Like how Wakanda wasn't colonised.) >They are basically a South American Wakanda and had vibranium. >They have a Jaguar God. (Wakanda has Panther.) >Whole plot is a forced conflict because Atlantis needs the vibranium. >Being manipulated.
Speculations for Phase 6 gaps? Wild or real? >Nova that ties somehow into FF or cosmic stuff in general. >Probably some mini events/series such as a down to Earth fight against Masters of Evil built up in movies like Thunderbolts/Captain America. >Maybe some supernatural team up style Disney+ show like Midnight Sons with Blade, Moon Knight and Black Knight. >No X-Men until Phase 7.
>iron fist d+ series >Jessica Jones d+ series >Dr. Strange 3 >Ghost Rider solo movie >Blade 2 >Moon Knight solo movie >Midnight Sons >X-Men >young avengers d+ series
I wager Blade will help deal with one of Kang's incarnations
My guess is the plot of the Secret War movie will be about the Avengers breaking up into team to each take down one of the Kang incarnations so that they can go home and free the multiverse from his influence
We'll have one team going after OG Kang, another going after Immortus, another after Rama Tut, another after Iron Lad
I feel like we can ditch the whole "Phases" thing at this point. Like, who cares.
Like, you could convince yourself there was some sense of escalation when each phase was bookended with an Avengers movie, but at this point, Marvel has completely lost all sense of forward momentum, I feel. Phases 1 and 2 were gathering and subsequent aftermath of Avengers. Dramatic shift in tone.
What makes Phase 5 different from Phase 4?
I feel like you're putting too much thought into "phases". They are more or less them grouping productions together, probably for their own internal organisation. They don't really mean anything.
The phase thing outside the first one is mostly arbitrary. They had a loose plan of building to the Avengers film with origin stories. Then an even looser plan building towards Thanos.
Phases don't matter. It is just how they are currently grouping stuff. But since they have a scattershot approach now with loads of stuff, series + movies, they matter even less. Except from when they do those presentations at SDCC since people want to see a timeline of consumer content.
>They are more or less them grouping productions together, probably for their own internal organisation. They don't really mean anything.
Functionally yes, but ostensibly they do advertise them as "phases" to the audience and pretend they should mean something for you to get hyped about as you enter a new phase, because Fury mentioned "phase 1" and "phase 2" of his Avengers Initiative before. So it's supposed to be a funny meta thing like everything is part of Fury's plans and contingencies, but it's actually unrelated to anything at this point and they're afraid to stop now after already extending it too long.
It would make way more sense if they gave the "sagas" different names that referenced a general theme, like Avengers Assemble, Infinity Saga, post-Endgame, Multiverse Mayhem, or whatever
Assuming each saga will have 3 phases, it's a beginning / middle / end type deal probably.
For example, both Phase 1 and Phase 4 were about setting up the ground work with new heroes, and building new teams (Iron Man, Captain America and Thor in Phase 1 / Moon Knight, Shang-Chi, and Eternals in Phase 4)
Phase 2 and Phase 5 are about expanding on that ground work via sequels + different sides of the MCU (Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-Man in Phase 2 / Ant-Man: Quantumania, The Marvels, and Daredevil in Phase 5)
Phase 3 and Phase 6 are about bringing everything together to defeat a big bad and make billions at the box office (Thanos in Phase 3, Kang and Doctor Doom in Phase 6)
I just don't know who is supposed to carry this avenger's team.
The only characters left with any real personality are Strange, Thor, and Ant Man. Falcon and captain marvel have the charisma of a gas station ham sandwich, and Spiderman got bonged out of the avengers.
I like how Scott appears to be trying to stay strong in front of Kang but it seems that it might be too much for him to handle alone, he might not win this time but not entirely lose either. He will probably play a big part in the next film trying to form new Avengers to fight Kang.
Yeah it makes me think he might be a stealth lead in the next phase with how he was the key to undoing the snap in Endgame and is the first Avenger to meet a Kang now.
Spoilers: >MODOK is Darren Cross/Yellow Jacket from the first film, rebuilt by Kang. >This is part of the original Yellow Jacket mixed with other technology.
>Dr Strange turns up in other movies (Infinite War, Thor Ragnarok, Spider-Man No Way Home). >Enjoy his role. >His own movies feel meh to me.
>Ant Man turns up in other movies (Civil War, Endgame). >Enjoy his role. >His own movies feel meh to me.
But I finally think this third one might be alright?
I liked the first Doctor Strange, reminded me of the Matrix, not too quippy, good character arc and script and probably the best third act in the MCU. Tbh I think Cumberbatch is a bit miscast but I can't think of many actors who could fill the role besides Joaquin Phoenix who passed on it for Joker.
Just bland wasted villain (Mads) and another origin movie. I enjoyed parts of it but still. Sometime about the character and actor stand out for me more in other things when he's played off against different people? Maybe the side cast in Dr Strange movies don't quite work for me? (Even though I like Wong etc and think he's good.)
I'm more forgiving towards it knowing Mads' character's cut backstory about his dead wife and baby and they deleted Strange's trauma around his sister he watched drown as a kid. The film was about loss and Strange's arc is pretty bittersweet. Idk it just felt heavier than most MCU movies even with pieces missing. But yeah for most people they find it bland or mid and I get that too.
>cut
Pisses me off at this point. One main complaint is the blandness of villains and yet villain motivations or better character arcs seem the first to get cut.
I think that's true for the majority of MCU villains yeah. Even Thanos had a whole flashback sequence cut down to that quick glimpse of past Titan he gives us with the reality stone. Mickey Rourke and Chris Eccleston were both vocal about their characters motivations being watered down too.
>events of the multiverse saga leads to the galactic saga >phase 7-9 will focus on almost entirely cosmic stuff like cosmic ghost rider and a new gotg team and builds up to a galactus
make it happen Feige
Doctor Strange 3 and hopefully it's about him and Clea with Dormammu and/or Nightmare as villains instead of another crossover thing like MoM. The Guardians have had the least interference in their films I feel, vol 2 and 3 are both largely disconnected from the wider MCU storyline, or vol 3 seems to be atm. I want Strange to get a solid conclusion to his trilogy. Something that's more of a sequel to DS1 instead of WandaVision. They did Mordo dirty too.
Phase 6 is going to follow an entirely different universe until the events of avengers, and we’ll find out the MCU was split off from this other universe to prevent Kang.
I guess I'm boo boo the fool for thinking that marvel not mentioning werewolf by night would mean people would rethink it's release date, let alone it's existence. Instead I'm seeing people on social media talking about how weird it is that marvel's waiting till september to announce it's coming out 1 month later.
>Spider-Man No Way Home >Shang-Chi >WandaVision >Loki >Multiverse of Madness >Falcon and Winter Soldier >Black Widow >Hawkeye >Moon Knight >Eternals >What if?
I don't know if Ms. Marvel is worth watching it didn't grab my interest and the only major happening is in the post credit scene.
Based on social media... seems like not that many people knew kang's face wasn't actually blue. Which is fair, I was reading marvel comics for like a decade before I learned that. He doesn't really take the mask/helmet off enough so it was never relevant, so after awhile I just assumed he had blue skin and it was a future thing.
He effortlessly and permanently kills Kang at the end of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty after everyone else struggles to kill off weaker Kang variants throughout this saga.
Who fricking cares, it's all the same shit over and over. >Quipquipquip >Hey it's that dude from that other movie >Beat the bad guy >Advertise the next movie
Learn to tell the difference between what lifelong comics nerds want, and what the normie majority want. Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men, and comics fans' blind insistence that everyone wants to see these characters is just delusional. If normies cared about them, they'd have gone to their old movies.
>Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men
its more like people want a good adaptation of them and not dogshit like Dark Phoenix or Fan4stic
its like saying no one cares about Spider-man cause TASM was poorly received only for NWH to shit all over everything else in Phase 4 cancer cause it gave people what they wanted, why normalgays dont hold Disney to the same standard as Sony, Fox or Warner Bros when it comes to bad movies or shows is still a mystery thou
Again, it's lifelong comics fans who want "a good adaptation" of Fantastic Four or X-Men, not the normie majority, who really don't care at all. People on Cinemaphile need to talk to actual human beings outside of comics nerd circles, and actually talk to them about superhero movies, which ones they saw, which ones they want to see. They had repeated opportunities to see F4 and X-Men movies in the past, and most of them chose not to. They're not going to get hyped for them just because comics fans keep insisting they're "meant to be" more important and more popular than the MCU characters they've been watching for years.
The two ASM movies weren't as well received as other Spider-Man movies, but they still made a lot of money compared with most other superhero movies of the time, because people like Spider-Man. It's not a valid comparison, because the F4 characters never really took off with normies, and the only X-Men characters who did were Wolverine and Deadpool. 90s kids who grew up with the X-Men cartoon weren't enough of an audience to make the Fox movies as successful as Spider-Man, Batman and the MCU, and younger generations have grown up not caring about them at all.
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Learn to tell the difference between what lifelong comics nerds want, and what the normie majority want. Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men, and comics fans' blind insistence that everyone wants to see these characters is just delusional. If normies cared about them, they'd have gone to their old movies.
>Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men
Nobody gives a shit about the Fantastic Four, but X-Men are decently known and received. Trying to claim the first trilogy and DoFP were flops that nobody watched is an insane delusion.
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>Trying to claim the first trilogy and DoFP were flops that nobody watched is an insane delusion.
They aren't flops, but they're not huge blockbusters that literally everyone saw either. It's a lesser franchise that consistently makes enough money to generate sequels, but not coming anywhere close to the biggest movies of the time. The X-Men even got utterly mogged by their own comedy spinoff in the form of the Deadpool movies.
literally were are you getting the info no one cares about F4 and X-men, did you go on the street and interview people or what
Wolverines solo movies except Logan were fricking terrible and critically panned especially Origins. with F4 its the same thing as wanting a Superman movie were he acts like Superman
normalgays are whatever, who gives a shit about them they will watch whatever
Are you seriously arguing that they should spend millions making movies specifically for an audience of under 100K people who still read comics because "normies will just watch whatever"?
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are you seriously arguing that Disney wasted money on buying Fox for fricking nothing?
and I'm saying appealing to normalgays doesn't mean shit, if they made a movie that was 1to1 with any comic then normalgays would still watch it anyway, it literally doesn't matter if you appeal to them or not
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literally were are you getting the info no one cares about F4 and X-men, did you go on the street and interview people or what
Wolverines solo movies except Logan were fricking terrible and critically panned especially Origins. with F4 its the same thing as wanting a Superman movie were he acts like Superman
normalgays are whatever, who gives a shit about them they will watch whatever
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>the only X-Men characters who did were Wolverine
Literally the exact opposite of reality, trying to push Wolverine is the part of the franchise that failed.
You're the one falling into the moron comic reader's perception.
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I'd argue no one cares about F4 because they haven't yet seen a properly good Dr Doom on the big screen.
If you haven't noticed yet, Disney prefers using lesser known characters because it lets them save the A listers for later and they usually manage to make those whos popular like Guardians of the Galaxy who no one knew or gave a frick about until the movie
I want the beyonder to be in secret wars just to see the doomgays embarrass themselves by complaining about inaccuracy. The frickers a recurring character in the moon girl cartoon so you can't even argue marvel has no interest in the character.
One of the things I appreciated about the Cowboy Bebop Netflix show was the sheer amount of vitriol it was met with.
I like that Cinemaphileutists and Cinemaphileermin are more readily prepared to greedily and jealously guard their hobbies of choice from normies.
Comic fans, on the hand, are weak willed losers who have no standards and seem to crave normie validation for some bizarre reason.
Speaking of, it's also impressive how normies (there really is no other word for them at this point) really do just ruin everything. Like, everything. It's kind of crazy. Can't wait to see what kind of shitshow that Amazon LotR will be.
>nwh director, jon watts bails on the project >fan demand actor, john krasinski is likely a one and done shit cameo who only existed to die in his character's debut >teased all the way from mid 2021 and movie will be out in late '24
>nwh director, jon watts bails on the project
This is probably the only “worrying” thing on your list, he was a good pick but I’m sure it’ll end up good. >fan demand actor, john krasinski is likely a one and done shit cameo who only existed to die in his character's debut
While I do want him as Mr. Fantastic again, it’s cool that they even got him for that small moment (wish he had more to work with but it makes sense that he didn’t) I’m sure they’ll get someone great, even if they don’t seem it at first they will be once it comes out, a lot of the MCU actors were unknown before >teased all the way from mid 2021 and movie will be out in late '24
This isn’t a problem, pretty sure it was teased way before that too. Infinity war (and endgame technically) were revealed before age of ultron was out in like 2014 and came out like 4 years later
Those avengers movies are going to flop like a fish outside the water, calling it now
yep, just like infinity war, endgame, no way hom, and doctor strange 2 flopped
why didn't thor come out?
Which Avengers?
Really, which Avengers will be in the Avengers movie?
Carol, Sam, Strange, Scott, Shang Chi and Thor as the core cast for the first movie with a bunch of glorified cameos, then literally everyone including Steve, Tony, all 3 Spider-men and the foX-men for Secret Wars using the multiversal collapse as an excuse
Eternals flopped.
Dr Strange 2 underperformed since they were banking on it make 1.2 billion at least.
Thor 4 barely escaped being called a flop, but won't even break 700 million and severely underperformed.
>muh "underperformed"
/tv/'s favorite cope.
I'll give you both Eternals and Thor. But saying Dr Strange "underperformed" is pure copium.
>won't even break 700 million and severely underperformed
bro did you even read that sentence
He's right though. Ticket sales are divided between the studio and the theaters ticket sales. So not all that is going to Disney. After that you've got to pay off the marketing budget which often isn't included in the production budget numbers.
In short, it underperformed.
No, more like how Eternals, Black Widow, and Shang-Chi are sitting at the bottom of the box office list for MCU films (adjusted for inflation).
>Lowest performing MCU movies
>Underperformed because of Covid
>Basically made F4/X-Men levels of money
>Everyone thinks F4 and X-Men are the big thing that will save the MCU
>Underperformed because of Covid
Didn't Sonic 2 make bank in the same situation though? Why didn't covid mess with their ticket sales?
doctor strange 2 quite literally flopped, I don't know what makes you think otherwise.
Umm yes but all those films had the Avengers in them, unlike the next 2.
secret war is the beginning of the reboot of the mcu it sets up heroes reborn and is when they recast all the original Avengers with younger cheaper actors its gonna be the biggest hit when they show Captain Americas shield and Tonys armor at the end credits and say the AVENGERS WILL RETURN.
>inb4 nice fan fic
they said for a while Tony and Steve will return if they have stories to tell for them and they around the time of secret wars is when people will be willing to accept a new recast for the avengers. If your to young to remember people were excited for ASM and wanted to see a new peter parker and for sony a cheaper peter parker
Nah, 6 years sinc endgame? Kang Dynasty is gonna make MONEY
Secret Wars being 6 months later is trash and i hope they change that. That one i’m not so certain about. It’ll make money but that’s some serious fatigue
yeah. lack of beloved character like rdjs iron man or c evans capt america
Black person Secret Wars is likely going to bring back as many, and I mean as many characters as they can, not just Tobey and Andrew, but all of them, it's not gonna flop, it's gonna make 3 billion dollars.
Bringing that many A-list actors only means the salary costs are going to skyrocket, and the visual effects to top the Infinity War saga will need to be much more striking to convey even greater grandiosity. All of that, in the middle of what seems like a global economic slump to come, and long after something like IW stopped being novelty and became routine.
Yes.
They won't flop, but they also won't be very well recieved.
they'll be bad movies but marvel is too big to fail
I bet people said the same thing before they went bankrupt the first time.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
>mfw read the leaks for phase 7
Phase 6 was just a filler arc for the real next phase
show
What leaks
Wrong board
>Avengers Secret Wars will be 3 years off from the 20th anniversary of Iron Man 1
jesus christ
>20 years have passed
>movie quality looks the same as it did when the franchise began
we've stagnated
No, it looks worse.
>movie quality looks the same as it did when the franchise began
wrong, they look worse
The average person goes to the theater like what? Once or twice a year? They’re spacing two big Avengers movies barely six months apart. Six fricking months. People are already jaded and tired of MCU shit, now Marvel is telling its audience it needs to see these two films within half a year of each other. There’s no breathing room with the property as it is now, I can’t believe they are doubling down on it. Despite the shallowness of projects, this will cement the MCU fatigue.
Audiences are bleeding either way, it's a balance of striking while the iron is still somewhat warm and cooling it with too many movies.
They'd probably adjust things once they see how successful the other shows still are.
They're doing the same thing as Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions which is weird considering the latter underperformed because they released too close together. Infinity War and Endgame were spaced out just enough that audiences wanted to see the second part of the story.
>They're doing the same thing as Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions which is weird considering the latter underperformed because they released too close together
Revolutions came out close to a stacked December too with LOTR and HP and other stuff like Last Samurai, so maybe people saved their ticket money for other movies, perhaps Reloaded turned off a bit too many, and perhaps a bit too many people didn't like it either and word of mouth hurt it
That and I think people were already a little divided over Reloaded so word of mouth might of hurt Revolutions a lot more then. I enjoyed both sequels enough but each one is a step down from the last. The Russos aren't involved with these Avengers films apparently so that's a bit of risk right there. Raimi could maybe handle it but on movies like that he'd have even less creative control than on DS2. But I believe most of MoM's problems were caused by Feige's overall vision and Waldron's writing, Raimi directed the hell out of it.
Are people that poor or movies super high? People I know go 1-2 a month for stuff they like.
It depends on what countries are we talking about, and remember, these things need to be huge globally to succeed.
ah true
Endgame was 3 years ago.
We'll be at 6 years with no Avengers movie
Phase 4 really is just the Side Quest wrap-up
Not that I have a problem with that. Phase 1 felt like Side Quest ramp-up before Avengers 2012 shifted things into hyper gear
The reason why they're rushing the phases now is because there's too much shit now that Marvel Studios is also making multiple TV shows.
And all of them are shit. Agents of SHIELD continues to be the only good marvel tv series
All of it has been dealing with loss and grief and picking back up.
So who's actually going to be in these avengers movies?
Carol, Sam, Jennifer, Peter, Shang-Chi
oh, and whoever new Black Panther will be
I hope they add a few less boring characters before these things hit. Tom's perky ass can't carry the entire franchise.
You know damn well they’re killing off Tom and making it so miles is in before Kang Dynasty
No, I'm not delusional, unlike you.
>Peter will die, Ned will be the cause of it
Sony had a security leak a few years ago and the stipulations of the Sony / Marvel Spider Man deal were revealed. There was all kinds of stuff like Peter Parker never being allowed to swear or do drugs in any portrayal of him, but he also must also be a straight white male. He also can't die in any way that could be dishonor his character. It sounds like a shit post but it's true. You can verify this yourself. They aren't killing him.
>Kate Bishop
>America Chavez
>Cassie Lang
>Kamala Khan
>Billy and Tommy
>Nathaniel Richards
Is there even room to include these characters? They'd need projects to get them into Avengers tier first unless the first movie is literally a YA-plus-others movie in disguise.
America, Cassie, Billy, and Tommy are already set
Kamala is already in there
Nathaniel Richards is easily doable
Teddy can be in Secret Invasion and/or the Marvels if it includes any Kree shit
Sure, they exist, but none of them except maybe Kate has any business being an Avenger at this point (and her only because of the age issue). There's a step missing, and these other shows and movies don't seem to be about them.
Kamala would love to be an Avenger since her role model is an Avenger. Marvels might set her up as one.
Cassie can easily take the mantle after Scott.
Tommy and Billy will be there redeeming Wanda.
All the pieces are there.
It's a matter of them organically becoming Avengers. Kamala joining Carol might work thanks to the Marvels, but taking on a mantle requires some kind of display of competence beforehand, redeeming Wanda requires growing up and becoming heroes in their own right etc. That shit is for second-tier material.
Wanda has to redeem herself by destroying Chthon and wiping out chaos magic forever.
Kids doing it for her is moronic.
There's also Eli Bradley in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, could easily become Patriot.
>none of these actors were alive when the mcu began
what the FRICK
>Kate Bishop
Who cares? If "Hawkeye" who had an actual hero name was very unpopular, now imagine this
>America Chavez
Again... no superhero name is a bad move I think
>Cassie Lang
Who?
>Kamala Khan
Might b cool I guess
>Billy and Tommy
Who?
>Nathaniel Richards
WHO?
If I don't give a shit ,how will normies?
Normies didn't know most of the previous group either, anon. Try to shitpost in a less stupid way.
>Young Avengers movie
I have a feeling they'll recast Kid Loki to age him up slightly like Billy and Tommy. There's also pic related from Parasite who's a big star and would be a draw for the series too if he is Marvel Boy. And Kit Connor from Heartstopper for Hulkling.
he cute
No name actors and woke directors/screenwriters will kill the Avengers franchise.
>Spider-Man (maybe even Garfield and Maguire)
>Captain America (Sam)
>Fantastic Four
>Dr. Doom
>Shang Chi
>Captain Marvel (and also probably Ms Marvel and Spectrum)
>She Hulk
>Hulk
>Thor
>Jane Thor
>Korg
>Valkyrie
>Hawkeye (probably both Kate and Clint, cause he’ll never rest until he dies)
>Yelena
>Black Panther
>Doctor Strange
>Loki (assuming he’s not wrapped up by Loki season 2, I mean he’s partly responsible for all this going down anyway)
>Sylvie
>remaining Guardians members/new members
>Adam Warlock
>Ant man
>Wasp
>Cassie Lang
>Scarlet Witch
>Billy and Tommy
>Vision
>Nick Fury
>the Eternals to some capacity
>Black Knight
>X-Men (to some capacity)
They’ll also probably bring back Chris Evans and RDJ, idk If they’ll use any of the other “street level” heroes like Moon knight, blade, or daredevil. These 2 movies will probably have every character under the sun, and that’s not even counting other universe counterparts/other characters in the other universe we haven’t seen yet. Pretty sure this movie will deal with two universes fighting each other to survive an incursion, which the main MCU (616 I guess) will be destroyed, but all the characters will just hop into the new universe. Oh yeah, also Sony is setting up their own Multiverse shit with madame web presumably, so we can possibly get
>Venom
>Spider Woman
>Other peters (as mentioned)
>maybe Miles
>maybe Spider Gwen
Movies are gonna be stacked.
Forgot to also mention
>Deadpool
>Nova
I bet we’ll get something X-Men prior to Kang Dynasty or in between Kang and Secret wars (the other universe fighting the MCU in Secret wars could have X-Men be prevalent).
Probably early phase 6, if they want crazy rage monster Hulk in time for the avengers stuff
>Jane Thor
Isn't she dead?
multiverse baby!!
also they can find a way to valhalla if they need to
In Valhalla, pretty sure she comes back from death in the comics that way too. Also it doesn’t sound too farfetched to come back from Valhalla
Did you miss the
>THOR will return
at the end after the post-credit scene? The obvious implication is that Jane will return at some point.
It'll be
>Captain Falcon
>War Machine
>Hercules
>She-Hulk or Prof Hulk
>Ant Man & Wasp
>Black Panthress
>Black Widow
>Dr Strange
>Captain Marvel
Maybe Shang Chi will be there as well. I think Spider-Man's going solo after NWH. Stature, Kate, America, Kamala are all too young and too new. Yelena might eventually be an Avenger though.
Spider-Man is 100% gonna be in the Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. The question is whether or not he's replaced with Miles after the fact.
The only person I'm interested to actually see are Shang Chi and Sam
Peter maybe but it'll be weird with the memory reset
Young Avengers will show up for sure, I hope they work on getting these kids' chemistry down properly.
Avengers 2012 was basically entirely riding on the chemistry of the cast. Kate and Kamala will probably be fine, It's Billy and Tommy that I'm skeptical of
Haven't seen MoM, how's America in it?
Spiderman is on the youth team for sure
Also, I hope we get the Based team
>Wong
>Mbaku
That's it
FalCap, White Vision, Strange, Ant-Man, the guardians probably, and I've got nothing after that.
Hulk/She-Hulk maybe? Most definitely Thor, even though his whole last movie was about how he was basically done fighting.
>another time travel movie
>after the boring visual noise that was Endgame
Please let this not be another time frickery movie or keep it minimal.
The entire shit plot of Phase 4 through 6 is going to be about how Kang split the original timeline that had mutants and the Fantastic 4 in it because it led to the destruction of the universe. The heroes end up merging the branched timelines back together bringing the FF and mutants back into the MCU, but now have the threat of the Beyonder, as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
>Beyonder
Beyonder ain't gonna be anywhere near this shit. They aren't gonna do the traditional secret wars but the Hickvengers one. Kang shit will cause battleworlds stuff to happen.
>there’s actually a third avengers movie in the same year called AVENGERS: Battle World
mite b coo
It’ll probably be a blend of both somehow, but probably leaning more to the 2015 one
I doubt it'll be a blend. They can always do the original sometime when they have X-Men and Doom introduced.
You said:
>threat of the Beyonder
>as well as Dr. Doom taking his powers.
>AVENGERS: Battle World
There isn't going to be an Avengers: Battleworld is what I was saying, because the Battleworlds will be part of the Avengers: Secret Wars movies.
Kang Dynasty will screw up the timelines etc leading to an adaptation of the modern 2015 Secret Wars.
Avengers: Secret Wars will adapt the modern Secret Wars with Battleworld etc and be part of the Multiverse Saga.
We won't get aspects of the original Beyonder and the original Secret Wars (1984) until later, if at all.
wat r u talking about son
All I said is that a third movie specifically about the events of battle world might be cool. Realistically, I’d want Secret Wars to mainly adapt Time Runs Out somehow, and then have a movie dedicated To Battle World.
Probably won’t be the Beyonder most comic book fans think of, as some fricking jheri curl having weird looking White guy, but it’ll be some character that’s all powerful that creates a situation where all the heroes and villains are magically transported away to fight each other, and Doom somehow ends up stealing the all powerful characters powers and becomes a godlike being that’s a threat to all of the universe.
what was phase 5
did i fricking miss something?
Another filler phase with no avengers movie or crossover.
So who do you think is directing the next two Avengers films? Feige already confirmed that the Russos weren't involved.
Sam Raimi could do one I guess
Jon Watts in name, Kevin Feige in practice.
Duffer Brothers of Stranger Things. Lol
They'll be too busy with the Stranger Things season five, the spinoff show, and the Death Note adaptation.
Russos anyway
>introduce the Fantastic Four
>do a Secret Wars movie one (1) year later
Who thought this was a good idea?
deadpool bros.. i don’t feel so good
It's not that ad look:
Phase 5 will have 12 installments, out of those 5 are series, 7 are movies.
Phase 6 will have 11 installments, we know about 3 movies, It's safe to assume that there'll be at least 3 more. I still have hope.
Probably one of those is Spider-Man 4.
And we might also get Captain America 5 or Thor 5 or Captain Marvel 3 or Guardians of the Galaxy 4 or Black Panther 3 or Doctor Strange 3
Maybe even Blade 2 or Thunderbolts 2
Frick. It doesn't look good for X-Men.
At least give me an Xmen show
Not the cartoon one, a live action one so they can be in the background of MCU until a film is ready
>be in the background of MCU until a film is ready
This is literally happening with Phase 4
X-Men will be introduced in Secret Wars. They're going with the whole "we always existed but were in hiding because society is mean to us" thing
Phases 7, 8, and 9 will be The Mutant Saga, and primarily focus on the X-Men with the Fantastic Four and various Avenger type teams in the background.
>They're going with the whole "we always existed but were in hiding because society is mean to us" thing
I'd heard that the X-Men were coming via the multiverse rather than already being in the MCU current. I suspect they could be introduced in Secret Wars and then when everything is rebooted it'll be like they always existed on 616.
But I felt like the MCU should end or at least reboot with phase 6 because that's a nice round number like Star Wars (before the sequels) and then they put all the attention on the X-Men, Fantastic Four and probably Spider-Man who should've always been the center of the Marvel Universe imo but Feige was left with the B/C-listers and had to center everything around the Avengers instead.
I feel like a multiverse X-Men could be less impactful in a way, but it would probably be a bit less convoluted than my theory.
Also, personally I want this current iteration MCU to go on for a long while, I feel like there's a lot that can be done before hitting the hard reset button. Do a soft-reboot of sorts after Secret Wars: New avengers lineup + spinoff teams (Young Avengers, Midnight Sons/Suns, etc,), X-Men and Fantastic Four fully established, Spider-Man front and center (probably Miles Morales, even though I want another Peter Parker trilogy), hell, maybe even an Iron Man recast or some shit, but keep the current canon intact. Then, do three more sagas: one primarily focused on Mutants, one primarily focused on the new Avengers type teams, and then go out with a bang by doing a huge Galactus centered phase with a 3 movie finale to the MCU as a whole.
Then a few years later, they can hard reboot.
Yeah but I was thinking unlike with Krasinski Reed Richards they'd introduce the actors who will be playing the 616 X-Men to prepare us for Phase 7, maybe Secret Wars is even partially about passing the torch over to teams like the F4 and X-Men.
And I get what you mean but rebooting the timeline just keeps things from getting too messy. And if they want to make small changes like having Norman Osborn exist in the main MCU and being a villain in Tom Holland's next Spidey trilogy like in the Freshman cartoon, a soft reboot is the best way to incorporate these things to avoid criticisms like "why didn't these characters show up in the MCU until now or never get mentioned?". A soft reboot doesn't mean story threads from the previous phase can't continue, it's the equivalent of Marty getting back to 1985 at the end of BttF and seeing some things have changed or pic related. That's how I'd treat a phase 7 616.
That's what I'm saying. I'm okay with, and actually am starting to like the idea of a soft-reboot. I just don't want a full on hard reset (as in none of the previous movies matter, it's phase 1 again, etc,) for a long while because a lot more can be done before a hard reset would even start to become necessary.
Phase 6 will have more movies and shows, there is 8 slots that aren't Fantastic Four, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, and Avengers: Secret Wars. It's definitely not the end of the MCU, but maybe there will be a soft-reboot of sorts.
It's almost certainly gonna be a part 1 / part 2 situation.
The Kang Dynasty will end on a big cliffhanger à la Infinity War, probably with Doom killing Kang, and that somehow causing all of the Marvel film multiverses to merge / collide. (Also, I'm thinking they're gonna combine a lot of the older Marvel films to make things simpler, looking something like this):
>Late 90s / Early 2000s Marvel
Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Nicolas Cage's Ghost Rider, Ben Affleck's Daredevil, Wesley Snipes' Blade, and Eric Bana's Hulk
>The FoxVerse
Fox X-Men, 2005 Fantastic Four
>The Sonyverse
Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man, Tom Hardy's Venom, Morbius, whatever else they shit out by then
Then, Secret Wars will be about Battleworld, multiversal frickery, and Doctor Doom
It'd be pretty much like the Marvel comics where they soft reboot every so many years to keep things from becoming too convoluted/restrictive. But you'd still be able to acknowledge major events like the Battle of NYC or the Snap. Nothing like a DC's New 52 tier hard reboot where they throw almost everything out. Marvel wouldn't want to cut ties with the MCU for a long while. That day might come but not in the 2020s.
>They're going with the whole "we always existed but were in hiding because society is mean to us" thing
They are not going to be that stupid when they literally have the multiverse excuse and Secret Wars will end with at least two universes combining, or the survivors of destroyed universes escaping to those that were spared.
due to multiverse and timeline shenanigans, Wolverine has retroactively always been one of the Avengers, and best friends with Cap
>Spidey comes to MCU
>immediately gives him a movie the same phase they get him, make him a major part
>F4 and Xmen are in MCU now
>shitty cameos and retcons for other characters
>no movie in P4 OR 5
>X men aint getting shit
Am i missing something here?
X-men and Fantastic Four are more important in the grand scheme of the universe.
Sony still owns the license so they probably forced them to not sit on it
X-men has a lot more baggage and characters to set up also was still getting stuff like this shit coming out
F4 has no excuse
Sony didn't own X Men. Fox did, but not anymore. You idiot.
Well, thanks to the phase lineups, I now know that I will continue to not give a single frick about MCU shows for the next 3 and a half years. It's a nice liberating feeling, too bad both this board and real life ads in every corner will be reminding me nonstop of these movie's existence
So whatever happened to that World War Hulk 2 part rumor? Still happening or nah
Maybe part of Phase 6?
Ah well, Hulk will get his movie someday
Also really hope they focus more on direction with Phase 5. I get 4 was building up, but half of the movies/shows felt like filler and could’ve been cut out. Easily the worst phase by far
I feel like Phase 4 will fee a lot more impactful by the time 5 and 6 rolls around
>Shang chi expanded upon probably
>Thor returning and who he is after Thor 4
>more Falcon and winter soldier
>More Wanda/Agatha
Doctor strange 2 and Loki will probably have the biggest impact
>Loki partly responsible for the multiverse even happening, introduction of Kang
>Doctor Strange 2 ends with the news of a possible incursion, Strange 3 (probably happening shortly after Fantastic 4 in phase 6) will probably deal with failing to stop said incursion, with the 2 avengers movies dealing with fighting another universe to survive.
Phase 5 will probably start to lean towards what they’re calling “the Multiverse Saga”, but not fully being there until phase 6
>instead of a Scarlet Witch movie, we get Agatha
Why are they trying to push this literally who? Whose dick did the actress suck?
Nobody cares what you think, tourist homosexual.
Feige's probably
The actress is kind of hot to be honest.
What is the Agatha series even going to be about?
I still don't get why we're getting shows about Echo, Ironheart, and Agatha. Even just one of these would be an instant write-off, but all three?
Feels like filler now we know what's coming. Loki season 2, Daredevil and them branching out with more animated shows is fine but some of that other stuff just sounds boring and like milking the brand. And you know shows like Echo, Armor Wars and Ironheart are going to rely on cameos and teases for more interesting projects. We already know that's the case with Echo because Daredevil and Kingpin are in it.
>gotg3 to see how it finishes
>daredevil
i can't find any interest in the rest
ENDLESS TRASH
>No Eternals 2 in SIGHT for the next 4 years
Good
Anybody got that guardians of the Galaxy trailer
kang dynasty better begin with galactus and his robot like in the original secret wars
The MCU's largest mistake was not just naturally transitioning to other important characters like the Fantastic Four and the Illuminati earlier. Trying to build on top of Iron Man and Captain America after the actors that made them have left is a losing battle.
Who the frick is going to fight Kang? Falcon, Strange, and Captain Marvel? No one cares about them.
>Infinity Saga (Phase 1-3)
>Multiverse Saga (Phase 4-6)
>????
Cosmic Saga?
Mutant Saga?
Mutant Saga hopefully. But that in and of itself could have cosmic elements if they bring in things like the Shi'ar, Brood or tackle War of Kings and Dark Phoenix in more depth.
Onslaught
Is he gonna be the Silver Surfer?
Now that they have the rights to Silver Surfer I doubt it. My guess is he either has a role in Wonder Man with Wanda, Armor Wars because of his Jarvis roots or Thunderbolts if he gets manipulated to join the team. My bet is Wonder Man because they can give him his "soul" back in that via Simon Williams brainwaves or something like in the comics and from there they can do the West Coast Avengers thing.
Connecting MCU Vision to Wonderman just because it happened in the comics would be the worst kind of synergy, doing something just because it happened in the comics, regardless of whether it's good for the character.
Just let Wonderman's show be a self-contained comedy about a superhero trying to make it in Hollywood. Trying to make him 'the real Vision' or 'Wanda's new love interest' will only achieve the same thing as it did in comics, and make him hated by their fans.
Wanda's rumored to be in it so we'll see I guess, a self contained solid story like Moon Knight would be fine by me if it's good. I think at the very least it'd be a cool way of setting up West Coast Avengers with the LA setting. Plus White Vision being drawn to Hollywood and trying to understand humanity through actors and films would give it a similar theme to WandaVision with it's sitcom angle.
I wasn't thinking it'd be like the comics because it'd be Simon meeting Vision for the first time and them becoming friends maybe like a comedic duo where Vis is the straight man. If they did this I think it'd be cool if they put Wanda in Agatha's show as part of her Coven and we get Wanda and Vision being spilt between two shows setting up a reunion in the future.
where are the X-Men Punisher or Ghost Rider? how the frick are they going to do Secret Wars without Galactus or Doom against the Avengers first?
>phase 5 haves tons of movies
>phase 6 have 3
>2025 just have 2 movies
what the frick happened? is this the end?
So phase 4 and 5 have no Avengers and then they shit out two of them in 6 but they have nothing to do with each other?
>2 avengers movies in the same year
>one six months after another
arte they fricking moronic???
Stuff they didn't announce earlier:
>Armor Wars
>Werewolf by Night
>Wakanda spinoff starring Okoye and the Dora Milaje
>Wonder Man
>Deadpool 3
>Spider-Man 4
>Eternals 2
>Shang-Chi 2
>Ten Rings spinoff starring Xialing
>Nova
More vague/far off stuff:
>Black Widows spinoff with Yelena, Melina, Red Guardian and the Red Room survivors
>Man-Thing
>Midnight Sons/MI13 with Blade, Black Knight and Moon Knight (Captain Britain and Ghost Rider potentially?)
>Young Avengers project
>making dr doom a huge villain
why? he is lame and really small compared to thanos
Sounds like they're replacing Doom with Kang for Secret Wars tbh. Hoping they keep Doom more Earth-based and he's the post-Kang overarching villain, scale things back for a while after the multiverse saga.
Adding to this post, if they have the Mutants and then introduce Genosha, plus Latveria, Atlantis, Ten Rings, and Wakanda they can do a lot more Earth worldbuilding having someone like Doom manipulating geopolitics and trying to take over the world.
>Secret Wars
MCU vs Netflixverse vs Illuminativerse vs Sonyverse???
Someone posted this on Cinemaphile yesterday and no one believed including me, but here we are and some of these titles are now official so take this how you will.
>Captain America: New World Order
>Captain America: Red, White and Black
>Shang-Chi and the Wreckage of Time
>Eternity War
>Thunderbolts
>Midnight Sons
>Nomad
>Black Knight: Origins
>Red Guardian: Generations
>Hercules: Rise of the Gods
>Runaways: A New Era
>Celestials: End of Time
>Avengers Academy
>Avengers Excursion
>Avengers: Timeless
>Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
>Avengers: Secret Wars
>The Timeless Saga
>The Eternity Saga
>The Multiverse Saga
MCU already did Runaways though, this is fake
That was a hulu show, non canonical. not MCU.
Here's the original thread if you want to check times, there's no way they would have guessed all these titles correctly.
Playing devil's advocate they do trademark multiple names for the same project just in case they change their minds like they did with the Agatha series. Some of these sound really fake while others not so much but who knows with what obscure projects the MCU will greenlight these days.
Eternity War and Eternity Saga could be Eternals related, the former being the subtitle for a potential sequel maybe. Avengers Timeless sounds like a scrapped title.
Some of these are for comics and games.
>The Timeless Saga
>The Eternity Saga
>The Multiverse Saga
Where would they put the X-Men?
Seems like they are playing a long game with Xmen, will likely tease them here and there, add mutants to the background of these movies and then in a few years when people have lost interest announce the first Xmen movie if they need an ace in the hole.
I was never a huge Marvel fan growing up so the popularity of the characters and teams is a little lost on me. Spider-Man and Hulk are definitely up there but besides them I always thought Wolverine and the X-Men were huge. I hadn't even heard of the Avengers until the movie.
Either way it makes sense they're biding their time with the X-Men since they'll want to put some distance between them and the Fox-Men and they know characters of that calibre will rejuvenate the brand if casual audiences do start to get bored with the all these C/D-list comics characters they're trying to level up.
Is Kang black or not?
Black but it looks like he has the blue mask or some kind of prosthetic in the Ant-Man poster. They might also have variants played by different actors. Like I could see them casting a white actor as one Kang variant to throw us off at first. Maybe Iron Lad is white.
It really is pathetic how obvious they made it that their using the comics for the name of characters only
Secret Wars certianly won't be anything like the comics
Same with Kang
It's depressing really
They're loosely inspired by the comics, at a conceptual level basically. Sometimes they'll take moments and try to recreate them for brownie points but they'll never adapt something in a way films try to do with novels like Dune, LOTR or Harry Potter.
Marvel and DC are treated more like mythologies than any single story. If it's a graphic novel it has a better chance of being adapted more faithfully like Watchmen which at least resembles the plot of the comic overall.
I'm a filmlet. What's the tldr of secret wars in the comics?
Minority report
It was Marvel's first mega crossover event, Everybody was a part of it.
Doctor Doom killed god essentially and replaced him.
wtf i love secret wars now
It was mostly an excuse to kill the Ultimate universe but keep Miles Morales in 616 since he was the only Ultimate OC they cared about
Ahem
Black Nick Fury?
The reason the fricking MCU literally exists?
Ultimate Fury wasn't saved, they had already introduced Fury's black son who looks just like the Ultimate one as the new 616 Fury
Uh they only ever started the MCU because they asked black fury's actor if they could do a likeness character of him and he'd star in their movie franchise
That's all they cared about
Miles being a success was just pure luck
The entire fricking series of Ultimate Marvel was a set up for their movie franchise starting with cemeting in black Fury's actor
That has nothing to do with what I said, when they did Secret Wars they wanted to end the Ultimate universe and only cared about saving Miles. They already had a Sam Jackson Fury on 616.
So we're agreed: you're changing your argument now
The only thing they ever did fricking care originally about was Fury being black so they could have black actor Fury
mexican Spider-Man was something they had already forced into other areas
Secret Wars was done to end the Ultimate line because their little shitshow of success to pilot test alternate adventures for a movie franchise was done
I didn't change anything, I said Miles Morales was the only OC they cared to save when they ended Ultimate and I stand by that.
Then you're trolling and I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to admit the MCU is a thing
Quite a lot actually
Remember, they're actively ignoring what the comic events are about to get the names only so shit like
Contest of Champions, Acts of Vengence, Maximum Security, Dark Reign, etc
not to mention the Avengers shit themselves
You can add in fantastic four and x-men since they're definitely being brought in the next section of the phases
Ultimately just take any fricking plot from the comic and say 'there, take the name, shit all over the comic and we have the next phase'
>there, take the name, shit all over the comic and we have the next phase'
The comics weren't very good either, hell everyone agrees the Civil War movie was better than the original.
Because it wasn't based on Civil War at all
That's the whole point of the movies
Comics do not translate to live media at all, ever
Cartoons can sometimes do it but live media will never work
What big Avengers event do they have left after this? Avengers vs. X-men?
I think this is what's more likely but I have my doubts about any Eternals joining the team tbh
>Ant-Man
>Wasp
>Captain Falcon
>Shang-Chi
>Captain Marvel
>Black Panther (Shuri or M'Baku most likely)
>Thena or Kingo for the comic relief
I don't think Doctor Strange will be involved this time and he was never a full time Avenger anyway. He's one of my favorite characters too but I don't want him carrying everything or jobbing. I don't think Kamala will be on the main team even if she was in that cruise ship video thing, it'd be weird letting a kid join the team, at least with Spider-Man it wasn't as obvious he was a kid to everyone, Cap was surprised anyway.
.
Also I think it'd be good development for Scott to be leading the New Avengers with Hope since Ant-Man and the Wasp were founding members of the comic Avengers and they never got that in the MCU.
>I don't think Doctor Strange will be involved this
I think he’s gotta be, secret wars will probably be dealing with an incursion that was failed to stop in Strange 3, so he’s gotta be there doing something in the avengers movies, maybe not on the frontlines like IW but dealing with controlling things some other way
Unless he has bigger fish to fry in DS3 and he's busy during that time. But if he shows up in Avengers 5 or 6 I'd like it more if it's in Battleworld and he's introduced as a lieutenant of Kang like he worked under Doom in the comics, but he ultimately betrays him playing the long game like he did in Infinity War. Just because I figure Strange being on the Avengers again would be kind of lame for him. I like him to be off on his own mission a little like Gandalf, he meets the heroes now and again but he's helping them out in his own way elsewhere.
Arbitrary Avengers replacement list;
Sardonic flying laser beam shooter:
>Captain Marvel=Iron Man
Gadget-laden male-female duo:
>Ant-Man=Hawkeye
>Wasp=Black Widow
Patriotism:
>Captain Falcon=Captain America
Royalty:
>Black Panther=Thor
Brawler:
>Shang-Chi=Hulk
what if we're getting multiple avengers franchises
>young avengers
>dark avengers
>regular avengers
>woke avengers
>Avengers without Cap, Iron Man, or even Thor
The mantles are still there, just with different people (Thor is still there though).
>just like in 2010s Marvel comics
>Thinking they won’t get them back
And nothing about Thor 4 indicates he’s done, in fact quite the opposite since Hercules is gonna try and kill him
There’s probably gonna be a ton more characters than that too, probably some multiverse shenanigans too and just bringing back others (Steve rogers, Stark, both Sony Spider-Man). Tom Holland Spider-Man will probably be on both, seems like something he’d do. I’m curious to whether if he’ll have the black suit by then, we know some symbiote is on earth so I would think he’d have it before that, and actually have it until secret wars
>there are children alive today, whose parents weren't alive when the capeshit trend started
Boomers and Gen X-ers weren't alive when the capeshit trend started
Hello, gramps. My dad is in his late 60's and capeshit was trending before he was born.
>Kang Dynasty
Good, frick Washington DC
FRICK them homies
I just watched MoM for the first time and was too distracted by America Chavez's ass to actually pay attention to it
Wait wait
Hold on I just realized the actor is 16
I take it back
Buddy no one ever thinks that mistake will happen to them until it does
>the actor is 16
Now I will pirate your movie.
Quintessentially American post
16 now but 14 when filming the movie
>that image
Well if those ingredients were fresh and in proper proportion, the burger would be considered healthy. It's like saying a sandwich bought at the gas station is the same as one made at home when really that gas station sandwich has more preservatives and salts added to everything to add more shelf life. The sub sandwiches have like 1200% your daily intake of salt alone.
This happened to me once around a group of friends and now they think I’m the weirdo
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrStrangeUpdate/status/1530723905563918336
WONGED
That's why they didn't give her the short shorts like in the comics.
Really? I was distracted by Christine's ass, shit looked phat.
BRAAAAAP
It's too late anon, I'm into that now.
No wonder Strange destroyed dozens of universes for this
Not even doomsaying, but I genuinely can't see the MCU lasting much longer. People are already starting to openly, publicly check out. Nothing is ever going to be as popular as the infinity Saga and Disney just looks desperate to recapture that. Franchises cannot last forever and they need to understand that.
Every single time a MCU movie has ended with "[X] will return" I just can't see myself waiting another 8 years to see what mediocre movie they're going to get next.
Frankly I checked out around the time they started doing post-credit scenes with other films' heroes because it instantly screamed "we're going to pull the same shit we did in comics where you have to buy different runs to get a 'full' saga, and it'll work here because it hasn't been done to death in films yet". I already hate the idea of being married to a writer in comics rather than a character, now they want me to do the same with directors, except for when those directors are even more homoegenised under the Mouse
Do you think they’ll do a twist where Doom is just another Kang? There’s not enough time between the Fantastic Four film and Secret Wars go really build him up on his own.
How can they make Mr. Fantastic credible again after the shitshow that was Multiverse of Madness?
They won't, he'll be cucked.
After two underperforming movies and an outright bomb it doesn't make any sense that they'd even be planning a new F4 movie in the first place.
That's like saying they shouldn't ever attempt any new Superman films ever.
Did you miss the part where there were Superman movies that were successful? Trying to reboot something that made a lot of money in the past makes sense. Repeatedly rebooting something audiences didn't really care about makes no sense at all.
The first movie with Jessica Alba didn't underperform and brought Fox lots of merchandising cash
For one thing Krasinski isn't playing the mainline Reed Richards thank god. That right there is a good case against fan casting.
Fancasting is almost always terrible because the average fan is a low IQ moron. Just look at everyone who clamored for The Rock as Black Adam.
Patrick Stewart as Professor X is pretty much the sole time I saw it working.
Were people really clamouring for that or did The Rock just campaign really hard for it? I feel like most people don't have a clue who Black Adam is.
>I feel like most people don't have a clue who Black Adam is.
Shit I doubt the Rock even knew who he was.
Seethe and cope.
No one had a clue who Black Adam was until he was a meta monkey tier prostitute pick in Injustice. That's literally what caused it. It was the first domino to fall.
He wasn't even that big of a deal there but Injustice was popular and it's the only real thing of note Black Adam's been in so it'd be the place most people recognize him from.
>black captain America
that won't go over well in china
Will be CGI'd white or Chinese.
it won't get a chinese release, literally nothing is being released in china anymore.
They are bringing the Fantastic Four way too late. They should have been brought in phase 4.
They probably want the Fantastic Four to be the cornerstone of the new MCU post-Secret Wars along with the X-Men.
Honestly I hope they retire the Avengers as major MCU team after Secret Wars and have the main groups be the F4 and X-Men with Future Foundation being introduced down the line to expand the former's roster. Then just have smaller Avengers teams scattered around like West Coast, Great Lakes and Young but no more THE Avengers.
I liked the Tim Story Fantastic Four movies. And the cartoon was cool. When I read the comics I realized they were playing pretty safe with the movies, especially Doom, but that's normal for early 2000s superhero flicks.
Also they have two of the best Stan Lee cameos.
>but no more THE Avengers.
that’s basically what it is now though, “the avengers” were pretty much just the core cast of Avengers 1/2, and most of them are either dead/retired/solo, the only reason it’s still called “Avengers” is because it’s just what they’ll call team up movies
They're still trying to force the Avengers as a thing though like the organization has to continue despite nearly every major member being out of action. The ending of Shang-Chi was the most blatant example. Just let Shang-Chi and Katy start their own team like Agents of Atlas or the Protectors, or join the Masters of the Mystic Arts like America Chavez, even better introduce the Defenders into the main MCU as the successors to the Avengers under Strange/Wong. Wong has a Nick Fury-like role at this point with the way he's showing up in everything and recruiting people anyway.
Just because they interact with other characters doesn’t mean they’re gonna instantly Team up with them and stay that way, next Shang Chi will probably have no crossover characters at all, maybe just iron fist or something
I don't think Wong said they're Avengers yet so you're probably right there. I just hope they branch out and create new teams. Like I said you already have Wong and Kamar-Taj so they can be to the Defenders what SHIELD was to the Avengers. I think Shang-Chi would fit in better there. And then if they bring back all the Netlfix heroes they can rebrand them as Heroes for Hire maybe.
>I don't think Wong said they're Avengers
How would they even be considered avengers? The only avengers currently are
>Captain America (Sam)
>Captain Marvel
>Hulk
And the rest are doing their own thing, even Captain Marvel is, she basically just came in Endgame and went away again. The point of phase 4 I think is building up these smaller teams, to where they’ll join up eventually for the two Avengers movies, so far we have and have the possibility of
>Midnight Suns (moon knight, blade)
>Street Level heroes (Spider-Man, Daredevil, don’t know if they’ll reintroduce Jessica jones but it was rumored)
>Thunderbolts
>Fantastic Four
>Sorcerers (doctor strange, wong, America Chavez, Rintrah)
>Shield/remnants of shield( Nick Fury, Mariah hill, whoever else in Secret Invasion)
>Sword I guess?
>Young Avengers? (Kate bishop, Cassie Lang)
>Wakanda
>whatever remains of the Guardians after 3
And there’s probably more than that too
Midnight Sons is interesting because they purposely set Moon Knight in London to move away from everything being based in New York. But there's Kit Harington's Black Knight and potentially Captain Britain+MI13 too if that's the start of some UK MCU worldbuilding. They just announced they're building a massive studio in England around 2025 that's going to be for Disney+ and Netflix stuff so we might start getting a lot more MCU shot in the UK instead of everything in Atlanta.
>Sons
Don't be a bigot, anon. It's Suns.
>No "big movies" until P6
>Literally six years of filler in-between
What the frick
The Disney+ shows were always mostly filler. It's just incentive to keep people subscribed to the service and a means for Feige to advertise upcoming movies were they make the real money.
>WandaVision made Wanda super popular and her fans went to see Multiverse of Madness
>Loki hypes up Kang so people go watch Ant-Man 3
etc.
Wait, Kang is supposed to be in Ant-Man 3?
Why? Since when has fricking Kang ever been an Ant-Man villain?
I mean the MCU has never been that precious about which villains they place where considering a lot of their less popular heroes don't have very big rogues galleries or share villains with others. But no MODOK is the main villain of Ant-Man 3, who in the MCU is Darren Cross mutated from being trapped in the Quantum Realm. Kang saves him and sends him after the Ant family. The connection to Ant-Man is probably only there because of the Quantum Tunnel thing they introduced in Endgame and Kang is a time traveler so he'd be interested in that tech.
Speaking of characters that aren't from Ant-Man, Bill Murray is playing the ruler of some Quantum Realm civilization who was only in the Hulk comics.
There’s gonna be multiple Kangs presumably until Kang Dynasty/Secret wars
>Kang/Immortus in Loki
>Kang in Ant Man
>Kang probably also in Loki season 2
>Kang Dynasty (could be multiple Kang given the name)
Fantastic four might even have one
>WandaVision made Wanda super popular and her fans went to see Multiverse of Madness
The complete lack of any kind of damage control announcement makes it look like Disney still have no idea how badly they've screwed up here.
I have a feeling they think the presence of Agatha material will suggest there's more Wanda coming later. They're also pretending she's dead, so a clear announcement would be kind of silly.
A clear announcement now might appease some of the people who are really angry about this, and at a time when they definitely need to be trying to win back former fans they've lost, that's arguably more important than keeping her return a surprise post-credit scene in something years down the line. They're also not announcing anything at all for Vision and we have no idea if they're planning a surprise appearance somewhere for him, or they just have no plans at all.
Even an announcement that they'll both be part of the Avengers team in those movies would be something.
Marvel doesn't know what to do with Wanda no matter the medium. Where are her tie-in comics? Why not give her a solo movie or another D+ series instead of cramming her into Doctor Strange?
>Marvel doesn't know what to do with Wanda no matter the medium. Where are her tie-in comics?
Marvel Comics spent fifteen years not wanting to use Wanda because writers and editors, actual grown human beings, were angry at the character over what previous Marvel writers and editors did with her, and they won't do a WandaVision comic because they don't ship it, and because they don't personally like it, they'd rather leave money on the table just to make sure nobody else is allowed to read about it. They don't seem to care about her at all and act like they've just been hoping to keep on ignoring her, and wait out her time in the MCU. All they do want to do is use her as a supporting character to Magneto, something her fans have no interest in.
>Why not give her a solo movie or another D+ series instead of cramming her into Doctor Strange?
Because MoM was their plan. This was what they always wanted to do with her, "because it happened in the comics", and her getting so popular that people rejected it wasn't planned or expected. Marvel Comics are just leaving money on the table, but Disney really don't seem to understand just how badly they've screwed up with what they've done to her in the MCU. There's a real possibility that they're stubborn enough to double down on trying to push her as a villain, or moronic enough to try pushing new love interests for her or for Vision instead of having them find each other again.
Why don't the comics people like her exactly? As for the MCU, I can only speculate but maybe Feige was setting Wanda up to be his own Jean Grey before they got the rights to the X-Men back, and he never course corrected. I know Feige is a big X-Men fan though so it'd be weird to do that.
>Why don't the comics people like her exactly?
A mixture of people who agree with John Byrne's disgust for her robosexuality, and people who saw taking the powers away from mutant NPCs as 'genocide'. Quesada and Bendis using Wanda as a plot device to achieve that made her unforgiveable to them, and the comics refused to ever let it go or move past it. Those same comics insisted that the mutants trying to take the Inhumans' powers away wasn't genocide, because it's OK when mutants do it.
Sounds really petty tbh. If they love synergy so much make comic Wanda more like the MCU version and remove that controversial history from her backstory if it bothers them. But the aversion to her relationship wih Vision would explain why they've been kept apart in the comics for years and Vision got his own family instead.
It really is that petty, and it's been going on since 1989. In the 2010s, when they knew exactly what the MCU was doing, Marvel responded by attempting to push both Wanda and Vision into relationships with other characters just so they couldn't be together. Remender's Uncanny Avengers and Tom King's Vision book are both trying to force the idea that Vision needs to be with his own kind, because him being married to a human woman just really triggers the autism of someone within Marvel. Wanda and Vision getting popular IRL with people who don't read comics doesn't seem to have convinced these people to reconsider or that they could make money from them.
>Marvel learned nothing from the 90s and it's all going to lead to an inevitable crash, and will ruin one of the strongest arms of the mouse
lol
Also I really don't give a shit about any of these projcts, like at all. Fricking Iron Heart? Really?
Next is The Phoenix Saga
Why do they announce stuff from 2025? what are they gonna say next year then?
There’s still some untitled movie dates coming in 2024/2025/2026, there’s also a lot they didn’t mention, like Armor Wars and the Werewolf special. Also Spider-Man stuff is probably coming in those years as well, but that’s on Sony to announce that
the only reason Tom Cruise wasn’t cast as Superior Iron Man was because it was too late in production, i don’t doubt he’ll be in Secret Wars
He would not appear in a movie competing against his own movie.
It could be bs but I heard Cruise did shoot scenes and they were cut to be repurposed for Secret Wars. Considering how much didn't make it into Thor Love and Thunder (Peter Dinklage, Jeff Goldblum, lena Headey, Russel Crowe as Mephisto, ValkyriexSif romance) it wouldn't be that crazy, the Wanda killing Mordo rumor was already confirmed via concept art.
The scene sounded like a post credit thing though. He shows up at the Illuminati HQ after Wanda's massacre and that's it. Might be setting up Superior Iron Man leading an incursion to get revenge.
>Russel Crowe as Mephisto
How though, he was already Zeus
Less cutting room floor more scrapped concept but it's kind of crazy they went from Mephisto to Zeus. That and the fact the Hercules actor has no clue if he'll return in the MCU makes me think they're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks now.
https://twitter.com/KenBarthelmey/status/1549774141485637634/photo/2
That tweet says it’s satan though and not Mephisto, to which his role would’ve been similar enough to Zeus
The Mephisto thing might've been clickbait. tbh they could've gone that route and then treated Crowe's Satan like Trevor Slattery when the actual Mephisto comes along. Do the Council of Red even. Take advantage of the "X is Mephisto" meme.
>Do the Council of Red even.
I feel like that would’ve been the idea, instead of going to omnipotent city they could’ve just gone to hell or where the council of red is, replace all the gods with satans
>It could be bs but I heard Cruise did shoot scenes and they were cut to be repurposed for Secret Wars.
No "could be". It is 100% BS. The only character who was seriously considered for the Illuminati and scrapped was Ghost Rider.
>Peter Dinklage, Jeff Goldblum, lena Headey
All gag scenes
>Russel Crowe as Mephisto
Satan, and they just swapped that out for Zeus.
>ValkyriexSif romance
Never was a thing.
Also Balder the brave played by Daniel Craig
Weird how a lot of the leaks were claiming Bruce Campbell would be Balder. People mixing their own theories in I guess.
That was only stirred up because Cambell himself said he’d be in it, and then the plot got leaked where it said balder is in, so people put those together
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/w5thv5/grace_randolph_reveals_she_found_out_valkyrie_and/
Just found out that Valkyrie and Sif thing came from Grace Randolph anyway so take with a pile of salt. But Sif does have a tiny role in the movie she definitely had more scenes doing something. And yeah probably all gags or Gorr killing those characters off but my point was that a lot of the cameos were cut. Maybe they were all holed up in Omnipotence City and there would've been goofy comedy bits with them that didn't add anything to the plot.
>But Sif does have a tiny role in the movie she definitely had more scenes doing something.
They just cut her actual fight with Gorr where she loses an arm.
What... grace randolph lied about knowing spoilers for a superhero movie!!!! This really brings her legitimacy into question and I do not know whether I can truly trust anything she says ever again. And after all those years of being accurate for spoilers!
Clearly marvel saw her posts and changed the script.
is it weird that I think grace is kinda hot? like I want her to sit on my face bros…
She grates on me but she's not unattractive.
Yes, it's weird, because it means you're into trash in heavy make up.
The underpaid VFX team right now
Let me get this straight.
Not only do we have the storylines themselves (Iron man 1-3 for example), we have the interactions between all storylines and a shared world (MCU Phase 1-3), but now we're also going to have to keep track of everything across phases? Like, there's going to be an arc *across* phases?
What happened to good old 'writing new stories'?
>Like, there's going to be an arc *across* phases?
This was already the case with phase 1-3, by the end of that they titled it the “Infinity Saga”, they’re just doing the same thing here by calling it the Multiverse Saga
I don't like the direction we're going with this.
It's the same with start wars. We had enough of a story with the original trilogy and the prequels, then they came up with the sequels. Then what? We're going to have the sequel-prequels? Same thing with Harry Potter. We had the original story, albeit shaped into eight different movies, and they wanted more with the magical beasts movies.
Hollywood is increasingly stretching what they already have across a longer period of time. It scares me. Are we that parched for new good IP's?
>Then what? We're going to have the sequel-prequels?
Already exists with the Mandalorian and Boba fett, and I think Ahsoka
They are going to soft reboot the MCU after secret wars and recast for shit like iron man, spiderman, and black panther.
>avengers without the russo bros
It’s going to be shit
The phases nowadays seem so arbitrary.
P1 was pretty straight forward, get the main Avengers team together and end with a group film.
P2 was a crap shoot of loosely connected sequels.
P3 was more sequels and some new characters and end on a grand Avengers film with everyone in it.
P4 is a nothing sandwich with some multiverse thing thrown into it and the next phases dont even have an Avengers film until 2025.
I thought Marvel was sold as having grand plans thought up years in advance and yet the things announced dont seem to have any connection between them.
Covid fricked the end of phase three and most of phase 4
That seems clear now. Phase 4 is going out with a whimper.
>Multiverse of Madness wasn't some Civil War tier event that broke open the multiverse (I liked the more contained story but they overhyped it)
>Love & Thunder felt like complete filler with low stakes
>Wakanda Forever was handicapped by the death of it's lead actor and had to scramble to create a story around while setting up Namor
I'll give credit to Shang-Chi and Eternals for trying to set up new heroes at least. If Phase 4 was more like Phase 1 introducing new heroes it would've been a clearer direction.
I feel like Boseman could’ve been a decent anchor for the MCU like RDJ was, but now that he’s gone we’ve got nothing. I hope they get some good actors for F4, otherwise I’m probably going to stop watching this shit entirely.
>but now that he’s gone we’ve got nothing.
We have Spider-Man
Iron boy junior is not Spider-Man
>t. didn’t watch No Way Home
I don’t like the shape of Tom Holland’s face, therefore he is not Spider-Man.
Yeah the MCU never had a concrete plan but they would throw ideas out there and see what gained traction. I think Boseman and Larson were both candidates to lead the MCU going forward after Endgame but Brie didn't take and they lost Boseman. I thought BP was overrated but it was a phenomenon and Chadwick embodied the character in the same way RDJ did for Iron Man, plus I liked that he was an actual serious hero and not quippy.
I feel pretty confidant saying BP2 would've been the most successful Phase 4 film based on the first film's success.
Spidey is ultimately Sony property though so they can never have him as their flagship character for risk of losing him if the deal goes south like it did before.
Love and Thunder had pretty huge stakes, with all the gods being potentially wiped out, but it just felt lowly because there was hardly any Gorr/Eternity
The stakes were high on paper but the film didn't convey it that well with how rushed it was and the comedy. They really wasted the Gorr storyline, and the Jane one. Could've been an multi movie arc in and of itself, you set up gods like Khonshu, Bast, the Eternals/Celestials and the Olympians and Gorr is brought in. In hindsight they could've used Harry Styles Starfox in Thor 4, he would've fit the tone.
It was the only movie so far where I felt like it was way too short, I think they could’ve conveyed all that with a longer run time
The studio mandated that the film be under 2 hours so they can get as many showings in as possible. Hopefully that's not a trend going forward with a lot of MCU movies.
>They really wasted the Gorr storyline
I haven't seen it. It just reminds me so much of The Dark World.
>Christopher Eccleston had most of his scenes cut.
>Scenes showing how Thor's grandfather killed his family.
>All other kinds of explanation and build up lost.
Thor got shafted by these films:
>Was meant to grow to be king.
>Nah frick that.
Thor's extended cast:
>Deaths turned into a joke or written out for reasons.
Odin:
>Meant to have scenes implying he once set out to get the infinite stones for himself.
>Meant to imply he was brutal to try and help teach Thor not to be when he is King.
>Only ever hinted at this a bit in the films.
Thor series got shafted.
I always thought it was a shame they abandoned the more high fantasy feel in favor of a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe, the MCU versions anyway. They were going for a fantasy epic type of when they hired Branagh and the GoT guy to director the first and second ones but they couldn't commit. They could've lightened the tone and kept it fantasy, look at Discworld or even The Hobbit.
Thor has had the most "course corrections" in terms of the MCU.
>Thor 1 was directed by Kenneth Brannagh and made to be more Shakespearean melodrama.
>The Dark World had director issues. Patty Jenkins was originally going to direct and seemed to want more of that original tone. Alan Taylor ended up directing. Film ended up a mess with cuts and issues to it.
>Course corrected hard with Ragnorak.
>Now we have this mess.
>Sif actress injured on The Dark World was mostly cut out.
>Loads of cast changes.
>Ended up completely gutting any fantasy adventure feel.
I am talking about the MODERN secret wars:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)
>The storyline involves the destruction of the Marvel Universe and various other alternate universes (including those seen in the Ultimate Marvel and Marvel 2099 imprints, the "Age of Apocalypse" storyline, the Marvel 1602 universe, and the "House of M" storyline), with each universe's respective Earth combining with each other into Battleworld, a planet that exhibits the aspects of the various universes.
Since this film is part of the Multiverse Saga it won't be the original Secret Wars.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say. The 2015 secret wars is the one with battle world and god emperor doom. That could still happen in phase 6 since doom is being introduced at the end of phase 4.
Which reminds me, it’s possible that we get a solo Doom movie in phase 5 or 6.
Doom could probably even stop Kang and be the main villain for Secret Wars
I think that’s the obvious way to go, but I’m sure Disney will frick it up somehow
That’d be an amazing twist to have Doom take out Kang after all the Kang buildup.
There’s gonna be plenty of kang (at least versions of him) before Kamg dynasty so he’ll probably have a good run.
Doom is getting introduced as early as black panther 2 possibly, he could have his own solo outings/more teases/appearances like Thanos has before F4, which is conveniently also before the next Avengers movies
Think about it structurally, Kang is who they are building up to. Sure rumours are Doom instigates the conflict between Atlantis and Wakanda, is in F4 etc. But making him the overall villain at the end seems rushed? Save that for later.
And I said those elements will be in the Avengers: Secret Wars film. They aren't going to seperate them into more films. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Not talking complex stuff here anon.
> They aren't going to seperate them into more films
You don’t know that
>Two Avengers movies 6 months apart already.
Ands you think they will throw out a third? Sorry anon, but apply some commonsense. If they were doing a third movie in some trilogy they most likely would have annouced it and not 2/3s of it. You're wanting too much and you'll be wrong.
You underestimate Feige’s power.
Doesn’t comic Secret Wars last a long time? Despite it being called “Avengers Secret Wars”, they could have movies following that, also taking place on Battleworld, that focus on the characters that are there. for example, Thor 5 could be completely on Battleworld, still part of the Secret Wars story technically.
Essentially, “Secret Wars” the movie could just kick it off, while the entirety of Phase 7 could be the remainder of it. though I don’t think they’ll do that
>Doesn’t comic Secret Wars last a long time?
Remember the jokes about Age of Ultron lasting a few days?
> Thor 5 could be completely on Battleworld, still part of the Secret Wars story
I feel like this is a lot of wishful thinking.
>while the entirety of Phase 7 could be the remainder of it
It'll set up a new status quo, probably with the X-Men and everything else. But we will not get a whole Phase of it. Feige's current approach is just to dangle a load of threads. They won't just suddenly focus on Battleworld for a whole phase.
That's definitely gonna happen. The final incursion will be the new snap and Kang won't even factor in Secret Wars, just like OG Thanos died five minutes into Endgame.
I could also see movies/shows in between the 2 avengers movies ending with some of the characters getting transported to Battleworld (like how Ant Man 2 ended with some characters getting dusted)
I will concede that Thor was borderline cosmic in the comics dealing with aliens threats. Ego the Living Planet was introduced in his comic after all, but it's the comedy that's the issue. Tonally it's too close to Gunn's GotG. They could've played it straight and done a campy He-Man/Flash Gordon thing with Thor even but Taika always makes it ironic. It's everything wrong with MCU humor. Didn't Raimi want to direct a Thor movie in the 90s? I think his style of humor would be more fitting tbh.
i still think Thor 1's shakesperean dialogue but with Ragnarok heavy metal Kirby esque aesthetic.
now that's a perfect Thor in my eyes.
You know what I would have loved in a Thor movie? Bit of adventuring. Seems like we got hints of it in early Thor movies but it was always just at the start of the film when it could have been a whole movie. Warriors 3 and Sif etc. But we got none of that.
Dead Jobbers 3?
never heard of 'em
oh absolutely. fantasy adventure was very missing in this. visiting all the different realms and shit.
I think Thor could've easily been like Berserk or Bastard but for general audiences.
Phase three was over before Covid though
Its kind of over for the MCU isn't it. All the popular actors/characters have left and only benny cumbersnatcher remains.
How can they even come back from this? Doenst help that all of the tv shows sucked ass.
Being brutally honest, if anything Disney and Marvel should pay us to keep up with their content. Seeing all the MCU stuff should be considered a job or a chore, rather than a hobby, at this point. I haven't even seen a single MCU Disney Plus series, and I'm even way too lazy to pirate them.
I stopped after MoM. Haven’t seen Ms Marvel or Thor. MCU just doesn’t hit like it used to.
>Avengers
>no Iron Man
that doesn't look like a party.
Ant-Man trailer - Kang still has no mask: https://twitter.com/rfp08791253/status/1551245621310328833?s=21&t=xyoK8sSSP83lb_bL2tdEVQ
He’s not really Kang in Quantumania. He’s Victor Timely.
>no clear shot of Modok
Please
>that reaction to Bill Murray
Love that dude
>Scott's face all bloody and bruised
Holy shit
Is this MODOK?
Looks like Ultron
Hang on, so what the frick denotes a "phase" now?
I thought it was Avengers movies, but suddenly it's not?
And now phase 5 is only a year long, and "phase six" has TWO Avengers movies six months apart?
I'm getting really hard "Star Wars Post Last Jedi", "Disney has no idea what to do" vibes from all this. Don't like that.
It’s more like there was a plan but delays and remote work ruined it all
>I thought it was Avengers movies, but suddenly it's not?
Nah
Phase 2 ended with Ant-man, not Age of Ultron
Phase 3 ended with Far From Home, not Endgame and it had two Avengers movies
Nah, they ended with Avengers movies.
Concerts have encores and books have epilogues, that doesn't mean the story isn't over
My stratospheric wife couldn’t make it to the panel…
>Wakanda Forever
>Atlanteans fight off a bunch of Conquistadors. (Like how Wakanda wasn't colonised.)
>They are basically a South American Wakanda and had vibranium.
>They have a Jaguar God. (Wakanda has Panther.)
>Whole plot is a forced conflict because Atlantis needs the vibranium.
>Being manipulated.
4 is a stupid name for a movie
Speculations for Phase 6 gaps? Wild or real?
>Nova that ties somehow into FF or cosmic stuff in general.
>Probably some mini events/series such as a down to Earth fight against Masters of Evil built up in movies like Thunderbolts/Captain America.
>Maybe some supernatural team up style Disney+ show like Midnight Sons with Blade, Moon Knight and Black Knight.
>No X-Men until Phase 7.
>iron fist d+ series
>Jessica Jones d+ series
>Dr. Strange 3
>Ghost Rider solo movie
>Blade 2
>Moon Knight solo movie
>Midnight Sons
>X-Men
>young avengers d+ series
>No X-Men until Phase 7.
Probably in secret wars
>The Kang Dynasty
Oh boy, I can't wait for another "Weekend of Ultron" situation
Did anything of worth happened in phase 5 outside introducing Kang? And even then he had like less than five minutes of screentime
He was in half the season finale of Loki
We are in Phase 4. Phase 5 hasn't even started yet and it is pic related.
what the frick is blade going to do against kang? have the two ever interacted in the comics?
He's gonna ice skate uphill.
shift his tax evasion on him
I wager Blade will help deal with one of Kang's incarnations
My guess is the plot of the Secret War movie will be about the Avengers breaking up into team to each take down one of the Kang incarnations so that they can go home and free the multiverse from his influence
We'll have one team going after OG Kang, another going after Immortus, another after Rama Tut, another after Iron Lad
I feel like we can ditch the whole "Phases" thing at this point. Like, who cares.
Like, you could convince yourself there was some sense of escalation when each phase was bookended with an Avengers movie, but at this point, Marvel has completely lost all sense of forward momentum, I feel. Phases 1 and 2 were gathering and subsequent aftermath of Avengers. Dramatic shift in tone.
What makes Phase 5 different from Phase 4?
>What makes Phase 5 different from Phase 4?
The number of investors backing your products
I feel like you're putting too much thought into "phases". They are more or less them grouping productions together, probably for their own internal organisation. They don't really mean anything.
Didn’t Feige want to stop calling them phases at the end of endgame anyway? The only reason it probably stuck is people kept calling them phases
The phase thing outside the first one is mostly arbitrary. They had a loose plan of building to the Avengers film with origin stories. Then an even looser plan building towards Thanos.
Phases don't matter. It is just how they are currently grouping stuff. But since they have a scattershot approach now with loads of stuff, series + movies, they matter even less. Except from when they do those presentations at SDCC since people want to see a timeline of consumer content.
>They are more or less them grouping productions together, probably for their own internal organisation. They don't really mean anything.
Functionally yes, but ostensibly they do advertise them as "phases" to the audience and pretend they should mean something for you to get hyped about as you enter a new phase, because Fury mentioned "phase 1" and "phase 2" of his Avengers Initiative before. So it's supposed to be a funny meta thing like everything is part of Fury's plans and contingencies, but it's actually unrelated to anything at this point and they're afraid to stop now after already extending it too long.
It would make way more sense if they gave the "sagas" different names that referenced a general theme, like Avengers Assemble, Infinity Saga, post-Endgame, Multiverse Mayhem, or whatever
They did do that at least with this, I guess it’ll be phase 4-6
Assuming each saga will have 3 phases, it's a beginning / middle / end type deal probably.
For example, both Phase 1 and Phase 4 were about setting up the ground work with new heroes, and building new teams (Iron Man, Captain America and Thor in Phase 1 / Moon Knight, Shang-Chi, and Eternals in Phase 4)
Phase 2 and Phase 5 are about expanding on that ground work via sequels + different sides of the MCU (Iron Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-Man in Phase 2 / Ant-Man: Quantumania, The Marvels, and Daredevil in Phase 5)
Phase 3 and Phase 6 are about bringing everything together to defeat a big bad and make billions at the box office (Thanos in Phase 3, Kang and Doctor Doom in Phase 6)
I just don't know who is supposed to carry this avenger's team.
The only characters left with any real personality are Strange, Thor, and Ant Man. Falcon and captain marvel have the charisma of a gas station ham sandwich, and Spiderman got bonged out of the avengers.
Hopefully Ant-Man. Strange should be above Avengers shit and Thor seems like he's past that kind of thing now.
An ensemble movie that expects ant man to do all the work on the charisma angle is gonna be genuinely shit.
Paul Rudd is awesome, but his back can only carry so much.
Scott, Shang-Chi and Kamala would probably bounce off each other well, or Wong since he's more of a straight man to contrast Scott's goofiness.
I like how Scott appears to be trying to stay strong in front of Kang but it seems that it might be too much for him to handle alone, he might not win this time but not entirely lose either. He will probably play a big part in the next film trying to form new Avengers to fight Kang.
Yeah it makes me think he might be a stealth lead in the next phase with how he was the key to undoing the snap in Endgame and is the first Avenger to meet a Kang now.
Paul Rudd could totally carry the MCU. tbh, I forgot he existed.
Well he's so small you don't notice him carrying it with his ant strength.
>first Avenger to meet a Kang now.
Loki is technically the first if you count him being a hero in the beginning of Infinity War
Different Loki so it doesn’t count.
I figured Hawkeye would end up leading whatever team comes next. Something like the West Coast Avengers. But I guess Scott would work too
I have no idea what this is.
A deviant in the quantum realm (which will be retconned to the negative zone when F4. One’s out)
It’s hard to make out but it looks like some Quantum Realm ant, I could sorta see some mandibles in the bottom middle
Spoilers:
>MODOK is Darren Cross/Yellow Jacket from the first film, rebuilt by Kang.
>This is part of the original Yellow Jacket mixed with other technology.
>Dr Strange turns up in other movies (Infinite War, Thor Ragnarok, Spider-Man No Way Home).
>Enjoy his role.
>His own movies feel meh to me.
>Ant Man turns up in other movies (Civil War, Endgame).
>Enjoy his role.
>His own movies feel meh to me.
But I finally think this third one might be alright?
I liked the first Doctor Strange, reminded me of the Matrix, not too quippy, good character arc and script and probably the best third act in the MCU. Tbh I think Cumberbatch is a bit miscast but I can't think of many actors who could fill the role besides Joaquin Phoenix who passed on it for Joker.
Just bland wasted villain (Mads) and another origin movie. I enjoyed parts of it but still. Sometime about the character and actor stand out for me more in other things when he's played off against different people? Maybe the side cast in Dr Strange movies don't quite work for me? (Even though I like Wong etc and think he's good.)
I'm more forgiving towards it knowing Mads' character's cut backstory about his dead wife and baby and they deleted Strange's trauma around his sister he watched drown as a kid. The film was about loss and Strange's arc is pretty bittersweet. Idk it just felt heavier than most MCU movies even with pieces missing. But yeah for most people they find it bland or mid and I get that too.
>cut
Pisses me off at this point. One main complaint is the blandness of villains and yet villain motivations or better character arcs seem the first to get cut.
I think that's true for the majority of MCU villains yeah. Even Thanos had a whole flashback sequence cut down to that quick glimpse of past Titan he gives us with the reality stone. Mickey Rourke and Chris Eccleston were both vocal about their characters motivations being watered down too.
They haven't released much to the public have they? Between this and Star Wars celebration it's getting frustrating.
>events of the multiverse saga leads to the galactic saga
>phase 7-9 will focus on almost entirely cosmic stuff like cosmic ghost rider and a new gotg team and builds up to a galactus
make it happen Feige
When is Dr Strange & Chleo gonna appear on any of these movies/series?
Spiderman? Thor & Hercules?, etc?
Doctor Strange 3 and hopefully it's about him and Clea with Dormammu and/or Nightmare as villains instead of another crossover thing like MoM. The Guardians have had the least interference in their films I feel, vol 2 and 3 are both largely disconnected from the wider MCU storyline, or vol 3 seems to be atm. I want Strange to get a solid conclusion to his trilogy. Something that's more of a sequel to DS1 instead of WandaVision. They did Mordo dirty too.
That’s because James Gunn doesn’t want any of the autism touching his movies.
>They did Mordo dirty too.
At least they didn’t kill main universe Mordo on screen like they wanted to, now he can come back
Phase 6 is going to follow an entirely different universe until the events of avengers, and we’ll find out the MCU was split off from this other universe to prevent Kang.
I guess I'm boo boo the fool for thinking that marvel not mentioning werewolf by night would mean people would rethink it's release date, let alone it's existence. Instead I'm seeing people on social media talking about how weird it is that marvel's waiting till september to announce it's coming out 1 month later.
I guess I should never doubt the bridge sellers.
I dropped off after Endgame, so what’s the current recommended list of movies/shows to watch now?
>Spider-Man No Way Home
>Shang-Chi
>WandaVision
>Loki
>Multiverse of Madness
>Falcon and Winter Soldier
>Black Widow
>Hawkeye
>Moon Knight
>Eternals
>What if?
I don't know if Ms. Marvel is worth watching it didn't grab my interest and the only major happening is in the post credit scene.
Based on social media... seems like not that many people knew kang's face wasn't actually blue. Which is fair, I was reading marvel comics for like a decade before I learned that. He doesn't really take the mask/helmet off enough so it was never relevant, so after awhile I just assumed he had blue skin and it was a future thing.
He’s clearly Atlantean
I'm aware of Disney seek of power and control of the masses with garbage, however i'm curious on how they will handle Doom
He’ll be an Asian woman
God I can only hope
He's a villain, he's going to be a straight white male actor.
>He's a villain
That's not what doomgays say.
He is a villain because he is at odds with the heroes. He isn't a bad guy though.
>He is a villain
>He isn't a bad guy
Make up your mind.
The term that anon was looking for was Antagonist. DOOM can be an antagonist but he's not a villain.
Just like Kang, right?
ENTER
How are they gonna make him stronger than Thanos to impose him as a threat before he hijacks the Beyonder?
Fool! Doom knows many ways to become stronger!
by making him eat good food
He effortlessly and permanently kills Kang at the end of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty after everyone else struggles to kill off weaker Kang variants throughout this saga.
>Kang Dynasty
Don't know if they're pandering to African-Americans or Chinamen.
Who fricking cares, it's all the same shit over and over.
>Quipquipquip
>Hey it's that dude from that other movie
>Beat the bad guy
>Advertise the next movie
they should've done this
They really shouldn't.
Why? It's better than multiverse shit.
>third attempt at Fantastic Four
>more X-Men
>better
I don't want that OR more multiverse. The only good idea added in that pic is Nova.
>they shouldn't do shit people actually want
ok Feige
Learn to tell the difference between what lifelong comics nerds want, and what the normie majority want. Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men, and comics fans' blind insistence that everyone wants to see these characters is just delusional. If normies cared about them, they'd have gone to their old movies.
>Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men
its more like people want a good adaptation of them and not dogshit like Dark Phoenix or Fan4stic
its like saying no one cares about Spider-man cause TASM was poorly received only for NWH to shit all over everything else in Phase 4 cancer cause it gave people what they wanted, why normalgays dont hold Disney to the same standard as Sony, Fox or Warner Bros when it comes to bad movies or shows is still a mystery thou
Again, it's lifelong comics fans who want "a good adaptation" of Fantastic Four or X-Men, not the normie majority, who really don't care at all. People on Cinemaphile need to talk to actual human beings outside of comics nerd circles, and actually talk to them about superhero movies, which ones they saw, which ones they want to see. They had repeated opportunities to see F4 and X-Men movies in the past, and most of them chose not to. They're not going to get hyped for them just because comics fans keep insisting they're "meant to be" more important and more popular than the MCU characters they've been watching for years.
The two ASM movies weren't as well received as other Spider-Man movies, but they still made a lot of money compared with most other superhero movies of the time, because people like Spider-Man. It's not a valid comparison, because the F4 characters never really took off with normies, and the only X-Men characters who did were Wolverine and Deadpool. 90s kids who grew up with the X-Men cartoon weren't enough of an audience to make the Fox movies as successful as Spider-Man, Batman and the MCU, and younger generations have grown up not caring about them at all.
>Normies have a 20 year history of not caring about the Fantastic Four or the X-Men
Nobody gives a shit about the Fantastic Four, but X-Men are decently known and received. Trying to claim the first trilogy and DoFP were flops that nobody watched is an insane delusion.
>Trying to claim the first trilogy and DoFP were flops that nobody watched is an insane delusion.
They aren't flops, but they're not huge blockbusters that literally everyone saw either. It's a lesser franchise that consistently makes enough money to generate sequels, but not coming anywhere close to the biggest movies of the time. The X-Men even got utterly mogged by their own comedy spinoff in the form of the Deadpool movies.
Are you seriously arguing that they should spend millions making movies specifically for an audience of under 100K people who still read comics because "normies will just watch whatever"?
are you seriously arguing that Disney wasted money on buying Fox for fricking nothing?
and I'm saying appealing to normalgays doesn't mean shit, if they made a movie that was 1to1 with any comic then normalgays would still watch it anyway, it literally doesn't matter if you appeal to them or not
literally were are you getting the info no one cares about F4 and X-men, did you go on the street and interview people or what
Wolverines solo movies except Logan were fricking terrible and critically panned especially Origins. with F4 its the same thing as wanting a Superman movie were he acts like Superman
normalgays are whatever, who gives a shit about them they will watch whatever
>the only X-Men characters who did were Wolverine
Literally the exact opposite of reality, trying to push Wolverine is the part of the franchise that failed.
You're the one falling into the moron comic reader's perception.
I'd argue no one cares about F4 because they haven't yet seen a properly good Dr Doom on the big screen.
Not allowed in the current MSheU
If you haven't noticed yet, Disney prefers using lesser known characters because it lets them save the A listers for later and they usually manage to make those whos popular like Guardians of the Galaxy who no one knew or gave a frick about until the movie
They also have more freedom to whatever the frick they want with the lesser known characters because relatively few people know the source material.
Guardians only happened because Gunn wanted to do it, all this other literal who shit is just filler for characters people actually want
Much much better.
The Captain Obama Movie is going to be really shit.
I want the beyonder to be in secret wars just to see the doomgays embarrass themselves by complaining about inaccuracy. The frickers a recurring character in the moon girl cartoon so you can't even argue marvel has no interest in the character.
>Kang Dynasty
WE
>there are people that wont live to see 2025 in this very thread
Tbh, now that I see the timeline of this. They could've placed Infinity war around phase 5 or 6.
ITT:
>FRICKEN MARVEL MOVIE PHASERINOS SET FOR HECKIN VALID!!!
One of the things I appreciated about the Cowboy Bebop Netflix show was the sheer amount of vitriol it was met with.
I like that Cinemaphileutists and Cinemaphileermin are more readily prepared to greedily and jealously guard their hobbies of choice from normies.
Comic fans, on the hand, are weak willed losers who have no standards and seem to crave normie validation for some bizarre reason.
Speaking of, it's also impressive how normies (there really is no other word for them at this point) really do just ruin everything. Like, everything. It's kind of crazy. Can't wait to see what kind of shitshow that Amazon LotR will be.
>nwh director, jon watts bails on the project
>fan demand actor, john krasinski is likely a one and done shit cameo who only existed to die in his character's debut
>teased all the way from mid 2021 and movie will be out in late '24
At this point, itll be another fan4stic
>nwh director, jon watts bails on the project
This is probably the only “worrying” thing on your list, he was a good pick but I’m sure it’ll end up good.
>fan demand actor, john krasinski is likely a one and done shit cameo who only existed to die in his character's debut
While I do want him as Mr. Fantastic again, it’s cool that they even got him for that small moment (wish he had more to work with but it makes sense that he didn’t) I’m sure they’ll get someone great, even if they don’t seem it at first they will be once it comes out, a lot of the MCU actors were unknown before
>teased all the way from mid 2021 and movie will be out in late '24
This isn’t a problem, pretty sure it was teased way before that too. Infinity war (and endgame technically) were revealed before age of ultron was out in like 2014 and came out like 4 years later
keanu reeves as reed richards
seth rogen as the thing
trust the plan - Q
Nah it’ll just be mediocre and not live up to the years that people waited for it.
frick the pain away