I'd believe it, dude had a spinal injury and was temporarily a paraplegic, on top of his albinism, and I think that one time he had a nearly fatal infection.
A lot happened to Doc throughout VB's run.
Me during the run of the Venture Bros >two broken arms > one broken leg >spinal tap >covid twice >two car accidents, one totaled the car >/b/ crowdfunded surgery to fix my penis >an allergic reaction to a tree almost killed me >discovered a life long allergy was a lie >a convicted murderer attempted to strangle me >homelessness almost less to my demise twice >got shot at three times >various flus >lost my passport while abroad in a foreign country >nearly drown twice
I have a almost died several times in these last 20 years. That’s called life
11 months ago
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>/b/ crowdfunded surgery to fix my penis
Did it work?
11 months ago
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Yes, it’s been 6 years since and it’s better than ever. Though I still have moments when I don’t recognize it.
The only real negative is some light scarring that no woman has ever noticed, and a few tiny skin tags
they told me when i was ten i wouldn't make it six months and my life expectancy was less than 17 years old and here i am fricking 40. i outlived all but three of the buttholes who declared i was a walking dead person
usually the shows that go on forever suffer a very significant drop in quality. Venture Bros has had consistently good writing throughout its entire run.
It's one of the special cases in which a show not only keeps the same writing team throughout the whole run, but that team is just a couple dudes save for the one episode written by their mentor. It's a unicorn.
Doc acknowledges that it's arguable regarding the first season but otherwise he considers the final seasons basically just as good or bad as the second season for example.
It can go either way. Archer for example has its charms but if you make the mistake of binge-watching it you better be ready for literally the same 3 jokes over and over and OVER.
For me there's a couple annoying staples to Astrobase writing but nothing particularly serious. Mainly their comedy duos' Non sequiturs are a bit hit and miss and can be somewhat grating; Billy and Pete are almost always great (specially if St Cloud is involved) but Watch and Ward tend to not do it for me and Dragoon/Red Mantle just never landed any successful bit I can think of.
>Dragoon/Red Mantle just never landed any successful bit I can think of
Really? I guess I'm just a sucker for the duo ranting bits, because I really liked them.
Just their first episode has >Where have you been? I've been standing here all day with my dick in my hand. >That was MY dick!"
>What is this, an episode of Gilligan's Island? Everybody gets hit once and they are instantly unconscious. >Good one, Six bucks says he has amnesia when he wakes up.
>Two heads are better than one. >What does that have to do with anything? >Nothing. I've been wanting to say that all day. I got sick of waiting for an opportunity.
Watch & Ward are usually pretty funny to me. Red Mantle & Dragoon can be hit-or-miss, but I loved their Final Arch.
11 months ago
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To be honest my favorite dou isn't even two dudes. It's late in the game but Captain gentleman abd Rose (aka triple threat)
It's a very wholesome relationship two people living the end of their lives. Something about Captain gentleman being gay, so the relationship is completely platonic. Also with Rose brings a fun side to captain gentleman.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You wrote "Captain Gentleman" three times and it at no point ever sounded off to you?
11 months ago
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My whole life sounds off to me
11 months ago
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>Something about Captain gentleman being gay
Wasn't he like, bi, but with a preference for young men?
11 months ago
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I think they say he's bi, but I haven't seen one mention of any of his partners being a woman.
11 months ago
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He was married, anon.
11 months ago
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Beard.
11 months ago
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I don't think Col. Gentleman gave enough of a frick to have a beard, man.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I been corrected like three times on VB, excuse me I'm going to put my head in a box now.
11 months ago
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Jonas was Fricking her though, and the kid was his “step daughter”
11 months ago
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He had a wife but the assumption she was a beard. There's a joke in the commentary where he doesn't view himself as gay >Of course I have sex with Kiki he's beautiful, just look at him! That doesn't make me gay that makes me smart!
So he doesn't have any hang ups about the sex of his partner but is almost consistently going after twinkish men like Bowie, Kiki, and that guy in the flashback His book even says "Gentleman prefers Gentlemen"
11 months ago
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I think they say he's bi, but I haven't seen one mention of any of his partners being a woman.
He was married, anon.
>Off COURSH a'hm havin' shex wid' Kiki! Look at 'him! He's BEAUTIFUL!! Thad doesn't mhake me gay, it mhakes me SCHMART!!
He just appreciates a good looking human, simple as
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn't he with Billy's mom in the movie, or am I crazy?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, she was literally there with him, but that's because they've been roommates since season 5, along with Action Man who is in a coma.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, I forgot about this, I should use this as an excuse to rewatch the whole show
Three separate ones? Or were they all part of the same coma?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Same coma, different setting every time.
The season would always end with Archer dying and then waking up somewhen else, with the exception of 1999 which had reality break down because of a Space Cube or some shit.
11 months ago
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Pretty weird. I'm usually pretty forgiving towards "all a dream" stuff, but three seasons of that? It'd be like if VB had Hank and Dean die in every single episode, Kenny style all the way up until the season 3 finale
11 months ago
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Each season was a different setting using the same characters as an ensemble cast. It was pretty much "Archer: Elseworlds" for a while, and I really liked Danger Island since it was post-ww2 tiki pulp action.
I never really thought about this, but it says a lot about the quality of the show that one of my favorite episodes is from season one (the yard sale one), and another is from the final season. >Take this, Quizboy! (click!) Nyeheheheheh! (psssssh) Ow...
>Venture Bros has had consistently good writing throughout its entire run.
lol already with the revisionist history. everyone hates the first season and the nyc seasons (including the movie) were definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons.
>everyone hates the first season
The first season has some great episodes man - the animation is fricking rough, but the writing is 100% there.
I've even seen people argue that the show went severely downhill after season 1, not that I agree. >the nyc seasons (including the movie) were definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons.
Vehemently disagree, though I can see why you'd think that - the fricked up seasons, cut episodes, and cancelling really limited the focus of the show, and if you weren't on board with the blue morpho plot, I can see why you'd be pissed.
I really enjoyed the evolution from Johnny Quest parody to including parodies of other well known franchises to having original characters with pop culture references mixed in. I think stuff after they move to the penthouse was a little meh because it focused too much on developing their cast of original characters and lost some of their charm as a unique comedy, but at that point the previous seasons had been so good that I kept watching. Anyone who has watched the whole show will also notice that the writing later on seems to get a little tired and the jokes don't land with as much impact.
Seasons 1-5 are the best imo and the rest is still worth watching. Me and my friend still sing this song all the time when I pick him up to hang out
Venture Sneed has no conclusive ending. If they're bringing it to a close, just fast-forward 25 years and have professor Dean of the university of New York working in his lab with his mustache getting a call from an old friend after mentioning that his father died recently and the funeral wasn't very crowded. And that old friend? The BATMAN.
Venture Brothers only went on "forever" because it took so long to make due to poverty. Seven seasons is a long, but not incredibly long, run and it showed no signs of running out of steam and coasting off past success in that time.
It’s a show that ran almost 20 years and never had to rely on running gags or forced memes. It always went for new material and new reasons to keep people laughing.
Any other show would have made Brick Frog a reoccurring character for meme appeal. This show went out of its way to mock the very idea of brick frog being a forced meme
Nice Dr. Mrs. heavy episode
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her best outfit but the guild uniform wasn't "bad" per se
these snipers falling in love in what they thought may have been a penultimate season and it actually worked. We truly are alone in serialized animation moving forward.
Then we get shit like the tank of gentle cuttlefish seemingly like a one off gag to set up the monarch’s storyline in season 3 actually having a proper and not-forced purpose in season 6, with expert execution no less
>wide wale being that based and essentially a deuteragonist in the second part of 3 parter that was addressing plot points from the THIRD episode of the first season >Cinemaphile autists didn't shit themselves in pure anger but actually applauded this move
These men are considered amateurs by higher ups in our current cartoonslop era I might add, it's all just baffling from even a corporate standpoint.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Venture Bros was a rare instance of a show that maintained a consistent quality while progressing and evolving
He's saying when Venture Bros started taking years between seasons was when the MCU got big
KNEEL BEFORE THE MIGHTY MONARCH
AND NUMBER TWENTY-ONE!
So would Dr. Boyfriend be a big handsome chad with effeminate voice. It's hard to work in the style angle, like I guess it's easiest if you just take her typical style then make it male but I keep getting stuck on trying to make him a JFK standin but there's really nothing that makes him stand out like Jackie O's pillbox look. He'd just look like a guy in Butterfly themed Yachting wear
usually the shows that go on forever suffer a very significant drop in quality. Venture Bros has had consistently good writing throughout its entire run.
It's one of the special cases in which a show not only keeps the same writing team throughout the whole run, but that team is just a couple dudes save for the one episode written by their mentor. It's a unicorn.
Doc acknowledges that it's arguable regarding the first season but otherwise he considers the final seasons basically just as good or bad as the second season for example.
Honestly, I'd argue Venture Bros has only gotten better as time has gone on. It's like the exact opposite of every other long running show.
moron.
People hate long running shows that loose their edge, i.g. The Simpsons and Futurama, shows that have lost part of what made them incredibly enjoyable.
In regards to short lived shows, it's because of things like a lack of resolution for plot points because the program is canceled, or the conclusion rushing a lot of plot points. For example a lot of people wanted to see Sym-Bionic Titan finish its story, which could have been achieved with just a handful of additional episodes, while an example of a show that rushed things would be Generator Rex and it's almost laughably slapdash last 4-5 episodes
It's a shame she's simultaneously a big part of the movie and still comes across as underused since she barely interacts with a couple characters despite being the fulcrum for every part of the plot
Well better it ends like the 90s Sitcom Dinosaurs with a meaningful ending than stick around like the Simpsons which if it were to end would be robbed of any real enjoyment or meaning with the original show.
That's a legitimate but bizarre example to use as a positive, at least in terms of being memorable. Thank Christ VB didn't go the Dinosaurs way and finished the show with what may come across as a big spiteful frick you because they got cancelled lmao
To be fair the show was called Dinosaurs. Literally no other ending they could have went for. In retrospect the Simpsons didn't have to make fun of them.
In the end the Venture Brothers, just keep being the venture brothers. I still have questions, will Dean keep going to school? Did Hank permanently leave his persona's in the coma world?
>VenTech is guaranteed bankrupt now >Building is back at the old compound and not New York >Because Venture isn’t a billionaire scientist anymore Brock won’t be assigned to him >Hank never officially broke up with his girlfriend or told her off for cheating on him >Dean is now half a country away from his school >none of the Jonas stuff got elaborated on >Billy and White are still in New York >Dr. Orpheus and the triad hadn’t even finished their move yet >no explanation for scarebear
It’s the perfect ending. Venture Bros always ended every episode with more questions than answers, and now the show itself ends with a crap ton of questions while simultaneously answering some of the biggest ones the fans had for nearly two decades
>Because Venture isn’t a billionaire scientist anymore Brock won’t be assigned to him
More importantly, will the Guild go back on letting the Monarch arch him now that Venture may be below level 10 again? On one hand that sounds like something they'd do, but on the other hand, holy frick stop blueballing my boy Malcolm
I think what Sheila said at the end of the movie is pretty much meant to confirm the Monarch won't be blueballed anymore.
Rusty is literally the same guy as the Monarch, the Guild will allow the Monarch to continue arching him because it's a perfect relationship.
>VenTech is guaranteed bankrupt now
I imagine a few things could happen because of what went down in the movie >Rusty (and Billy and Pete), having discovered powerful hover tech, get a fat check from the government/OSI to make more of that shit >JJ had some kind of insurance plan for "costumed lunatic launches the building into the fricking stratosphere", but this means Rusty is now well and truly on his last legs >The public think the building getting launched was a super crazy PR stunt and the HelperPods skyrocket in preorders
I wanted red death to get one more really cool scene to contrast how much of a goof he was in this movie, but otherwise I'm glad it ended on such a nice note. It really feels like they wrote this movie to be the end and they nailed it. Don't get me wrong, if they announced there was going to be another season I would cum but I'm glad they never sacrificed quality just to fill the airwaves.
Teasing Brock vs RD and not only not following through but not even giving him any real action scene was kind of a dick move, but if you watch this fresh off the season 7 finale you've gotten your Brock dose anyway and the movie covers what you DIDN'T get.
Well save for some closure on Sirena but the show has always been a sausage party anyway: the conflict gets resolved between the brothers and she doesn't even factor in as anything more than the reason for that conflict. I did read somewhere there were some originally planned scenes wih Wide Wale and her though.
The movie was literally Season 8 but in the span of a movie. There would have likely been a whole episode dedicated to Brock vs RD, they've been teasing that conflict for a while.
That was probably intentional, since they obviously had grander plans for stuff like Force Majeure, and probably would have had some of Jefferson's old pals get a moment to shine instead of getting swept aside after everyone went to bed
So if we get season 8 or a comic book it'll be those guys, force majeure played by toast, debbie has pp on her belt now, rusty is back home but the triad is in new york, scare bear, time travel, and maybe jonas? Is that everything?
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I would guess. Debbie reunites with daddy Majeure and the whole Peril Partnership vs the Guild is finally wrapped. Rusty either returns to a life of seclusion building shit for fun and some meager profit to build more shit, while the boys probably set out to start making their own lives instead of just hanging around home as usual. And of course whatever antics lead to the use of time machine dresser
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dean is still in college too so I wonder how they would've handled that
11 months ago
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Three things come to mind >The boys just take occasional trips back to Colorado to see their pop, meaning they aren't as involved with adventures as they used to be >They somehow get transportation help from Orpheus (he teleports them or maybe they use the Master's closet dimension as a crossroads >Rusty recreates the teleporters, and they're just used so the characters can freely warp between Colorado and New York without having to spend the hours between
11 months ago
Anonymous
They have a supersonic jet, it's like a 40 minute trip that breaks every window they go over.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yea, but there would still be the matter of who drives and where the thing parks when it's in New York since the tower is gone. Of course, if VenTech doesn't go belly up, maybe they'll set up a new building there
11 months ago
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It has autopilot and parking in the pit isn't off the table.
I'm actually fine we didn't get closure on Sirena. She was a disloyal girlfriend and more of a plot object than a character in her own right. Wide Wale was going nowhere and I'm glad they just didn't say a thing about him. If they had another season then maybe but the movie was full enough already. As for RD vs Brock, I actually prefer it this way. Giving RD a fight with a known yardstick of a character makes him a known factor and he becomes much less intimidating. I just wanted a solid monologue or having him casually kill a mook. The bit with him stealing the scientists hand along with his phone was good though. I'm also glad we got to see Jefferson kill some vampires and actually be a badass for a bit. I feel like he never got his moment in the series and he deserved one.
>I feel like he never got his moment in the series and he deserved one.
Part of the trouble of being a supporting character for a supporting character. They never knew what to do with Orpheus so the same goes for his friends.
I always wondered if an Order of the Triad show could work but honestly we'll never get anything by Doc and Publick because no one else will ever give them the breathing room they need.
Maybe they can go into comics and just put up littl web videos every now and again if still images with their voices over it.
>the show has always been a sausage party
And how. The single most important female character in the series is voiced by a dude, and in the final group scene that closes the show she's literally invisible lmao.
Actually she was trans in the S1 notes iirc but they eventually dropped that angle and made her voice simply a joke and basically a lampshade for the fact that visually she's essentially a fantasy blowup doll.
I don't think they had the exact details planned out but I do think Monarch and Rusty were always planned to be related in some way. There are a lot of similar design quos in their face.
I speculate about this a lot when I listen to them on the commentary. They claim they've had almost everything figured out by season 3, the problem became how do they show us everything they want in such a limited time, on top of [as] never telling them if they have another season. I really hope they kept a lot of studio memorabilia, I'd love to see some drafts.
I imagine, if anything, they'll at least try to get some kind of artbook out that stories the history of the show's production. They've got over twenty years of content, so they'd be able to make something nice and meaty, even if it winds up being the final bit of VB-anything we ever get
It's the artbook we got, plus a few interviews and the commentary. The show is pretty well explained for the most part. If it isn't explained, it doesn't need to be or is one of the big secrets that keep it in motion.
Yeah this is pretty much what anon described. Only thing it's missing is season 7 and the movie (because it came out before either of them) but for its original price, it's absolutely insane value for VB fans.
bandwagongays blown the frick out. it was like $25 before it went OOP.
11 months ago
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I watched the original run growing up, more like bandwagon gays ruined it for everyone else
11 months ago
Anonymous
I watched the original run growing up, more like bandwagon gays ruined it for everyone else
Isn't that just par for the course with VB merch? I know there's something about Publick and Hammer not wanting to overdo it with toys and the like, but also something like AS was always screwing them over when it came to the few pieces of merch they did decide to make
11 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine owning a crimeodile figure or red death or phage or the spider chick who got diamond dogged or the diamond dogs or bowie. This shit could have easily gotten hasbro silly and I would have loved every second.
11 months ago
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>BUY NOW, DR. THADDEUS VENTURE ACTION FIGURE (COMES WITH 3 REPLACABLE SPEEDSUITS!) >every time you change his speedsuit, you have to look at rusty's uncensored benis
11 months ago
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11 months ago
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Actually kek'd. Hell yes I would buy that and not even as a joke
11 months ago
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they had a shit ton of merch. they had a whole section of the book dedicated to it. they had bedsheets ffs. also the commentary for the movie literally begins with them talking about merch they want to make. belt buckles and coffee cup sets and shit.
I own a copy but digital versions are easy enough to find online, and you don't need to feel guilty because the product is by now only moving in the scalper aftermarket anyway (probably inflated too because of the attention the show got this year).
Also it's a bit unwieldy lol, while rewatching the show I actually left it in the shelf and just perused the digital copy on my tablet.
Even if you want a physical copy it's better to wait it out imo; the book is from Dark Horse after all and they may eventually do a revised edition covering season 7 and RITBOTBH.
bandwagongays blown the frick out. it was like $25 before it went OOP.
Oh nice I had no idea that turned out to be an investment.
11 months ago
Anonymous
i had two and sold one for a decent amount but i'm really debating selling my last one because i know i'll never get it back again unless it gets reprinted which i don't see happening unless maybe the show somehow gets picked up again
>Had the artbook >someone stole it from my trunk
don't drive drunk kids
you'll leave a window down
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bro so sad to hear. Yeah, I remember one night left my windows down. Randomly hear noises outside, two teena going through my drunk. Yell. Out "Hey!" They run away.
I honestly don't know if they took something, my trunk was a mess at that time.
>some kind of artbook out that stories the history of the show's production
Is that not the art book we already got?
I’m genuinely asking here. Haven’t gotten a chance to read it myself yet.
Yeah this is pretty much what anon described. Only thing it's missing is season 7 and the movie (because it came out before either of them) but for its original price, it's absolutely insane value for VB fans.
Yep, the book covers the full production from the pitch book through the pilot and season by season plus episode by episode, in remarkable detail, though sadly only up to season 6 with just a little preview of season 7. Doc Hammer is extremely verbose (entertainingly so) so the already sizable volume of text is blown up even further making the book nearly 400 pages long.
I've been poring through it lately obviously and even though the long rants are fun, a couple of really good soundbites popped up for me. Like Doc going: >That’s the way a Venture Bros. joke works. It goes too far and we don’t explain it.
Proper continuity order iirc, specials included. They often remark too how that order doesn't reflect the order they were written (a couple of season premieres were basically left for last).
Doc said if he and Jackson fight a studio and can get a good enough deal they have ideas for more they want to do, but are content with what they put out.
Additionally, they omitted an actual Serena scene and regret it because they wanted to show her side of it but cut it for time.
>because they wanted to show her side of it
Don’t think that’s necessary.
Serena was a horny nymph and Hank couldn’t keep his dick up.
Cheating was bound to happen and Dean was close enough to help her out.
Different anons. I just watched the movie last night and wanted to make sure I got the correct implication about Rusty taking stuff she didn’t want.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Now that you mention it, it's not impossible given the final scene that there may have been more than one mom involved.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, that's just silly. They're twins. And no fricking way Rusty talked two women into that and just madscienced his boys up like Jonas would
11 months ago
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[Spoiler]There's not much physical resemblance between them and what there is could be attributed to Rusty's "contribution". If he was growing two little experiments, why not actually perform two different experiments?. Considering the reveal, you may even consider a possible different meaning to what Myra said in season 5 that made them conclude she wasn't their mom; they could have been wrong about the full implications of "wanting to actually give birth to them"![/spoiler]
It was interesting how carefully planned out the entire 'pregnancy' was, Rusty didn't just want kids, he wanted them to explicitly share genetics with Bobbi, so when her daughter came around he saw the opportunity and took it >I think Bobbi might have been his first crush and/or idol >he must have kept her picture on his desk for like twenty years or so
I know it seems impossible from where we left off but this show is known for crazy rube goldberg setups. Is there anyway rusty and debbie could end up together? I mean killinger and his oni are still floating around and at some point canonically malcolm and rusty will be warmly familiar and we know his hatred well, am I fricking crazy here? I feel a little crazy.
Wasn't the whole point if shadowman 9 thing that he was doing the monarch thing WHILE henching? He hit on dr mrs as the monarch maybe he did the same with debbie right before?
I noticed something in the movie I mever thought about. The monarch doesn't have a phone. They use Gary to scan the code and later order stuff through A.R.C.H.
I think it's also so telling, that The Monarch for the most part have anyone to call. Gary his no. 2 and always with him. His wife is by his side, and when she's not he doesn't care.
Monarch does have a phone, Copycat steals it from him in season 6.
You're right about the only two people that would call him though, since we see them both call/try to call him in season 6/7.
Hell, he takes selfies with Dr. Heinie at one point.
There was a recent interview for Hammer and Publick by the site Bleeding Cool where they emphatically said they would be 100% on board with continuing the series (as they had only used a fifth of what they originally planned for the movie)
They did say that if the series ended with the movie it was fine, but they love the show and characters more than the fans do and would love to give out a little more.
Domestic Old Team Venture is pretty cute. Just having supper and yelling about old irrelevant adventures, it's great.
Do you think it was a baby werewolf though?
I was in shock that this is the end of the Venture Brothers but considering how averse Hammer and Publick are to satisfying conclusions they can take their show and stuff it.
The guy isn't entirely wrong, Hammer and Publick had mentioned that they would like to avoid a traditional ending. No zoom out as everyone laughs. No closing of a book. None of that stuff. Whether this is the finale or the series returns in another fashion, even that will probably use a nonstandard epilogue.
Nice Dr. Mrs. heavy episode
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her best outfit but the guild uniform wasn't "bad" per se
I really like the Guild jacket as a bit of non-verbal storytelling. On the surface it would seem to symbolize Dr M. choosing loyalty to the Guild over The Monarch when in reality it's the opposite. Because of course she wouldn't wear a revealing ensemble in front of a bunch of men when her husband isn't around, especially when one of them is Phantom Limb.
I thought it was a bit obnoxious when they brought up real life pop cultural stuff instead of the in-universe equivalent, it was too on the nose for me.
>Dad, pretty much the Avengers are here >Look, it has a Doctor Strange Window. >The Impossibles win a costume contest dressing up as the fantastic four.
I can see what you mean, I guess.
Although I'm pretty sure some pop culture stuff is supposed to have been real in venture bros; Some comic book/action heroes, The scooby gang (not the parody, real Velma gave action johnny herpes).
Also they brought up F4 in the movie again, didn't they? Huh.
They were doing this before it was run into the ground by less funny writers so I never minded. Especially since a lot of it was really funny and not just "remember thing?"
This scene is one of my favorites. It feels like natural dialogue between two characters.
Eh it makes sense with how even in a world where all this stuff exists they're all totally lame bullshit so naturally fictional heroes would still exist. Though it gets a bit worse about it from like S4 on
>Dad, pretty much the Avengers are here >Look, it has a Doctor Strange Window. >The Impossibles win a costume contest dressing up as the fantastic four.
the only time i liked them doing it was the toss of line from that doctor in south america >eva sincea da iron man everybody wants tha robot heart
If this is where things end, then so be it. We should be happy we even got the movie, and in a pretty timely fashion, no less. Most of the time, it's either never seeing a conclusion, or 10-20 years of waiting for something and not being able to live up to the decades of hype, as seen with things like Samurai Jack
I agree completely. I have my problems with the movie, but I already accepted it was never going to be perfect even before seeing it. I certainly prefer this to the cliffhanger season 7 almost left us with.
>blue morpho saga proves monarch is scary competent when he isn't obsessing over dr venture >killinger thinks rusty is a natural born supervillain
what if they switched roles?
Rusty would make a great villain, Peak monarch was actually a pretty damn effective villain, monarch really is the positive aspects of what Rusty could achieve without his trauma
>what if they switched roles?
Rusty would be fine, but the Monarch can't do superscience - he spent college writing weirdly specific poems about butterflies, modding a dumb hand-cranked butterfly car, and banging Debbie
That was mostly Gary's frickup, although it is at the very least telling that Monarch's too reliant on him considering his gameplan for a lot of situations is "talk big then have 21 back it up for me."
In his defense, it WAS pretty cool when he caught that knife on the first try. Not sure what his plan would've been if it just landed in his hand blade-down though.
>what if they switched roles?
Rusty would be fine, but the Monarch can't do superscience - he spent college writing weirdly specific poems about butterflies, modding a dumb hand-cranked butterfly car, and banging Debbie
The only way that would work is if Doc truly committed to being a villain because the Monarch would never be a hero unless it was done in spite just to arch Doc
>blue morpho saga proves monarch is scary competent when he isn't obsessing over dr venture
Didn't he kill almost everyone by accident and then the majority of intentionals were fricking Gary
His goal wasn’t to kill anyone, he wanted to make them give up on venture.
Like Rusty, Monarch *is* competent but stupidity and laziness hinders his competency
Honestly the scene with Shore leave feels weird compared to him now. It's not even the pray away the gay stuff. He just felt like sich a "well never see thia guy again" also how he was package with Holy Diver and he sort of went into the background.
That's generally the case with a lot of characters in their introductory episode. Hatred seemed more like a typical drill sergeant when he finally appeared in the season 2 finale, then he just kind of became a loosely military themed villain thereafter during season 3. And of course, we all remember how Billy and Peter were quite different in the pilot (Pete's albinism being super science induced; Billy being much more dismissive of Rusty)
The real funny one is Pirate Captain, he's peak one-off character but shows up a season later and goes onto become a weird supporting character with barely any relation to his origin but he still talks like a Pirate. >JESUS JONES! now there was a band
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they basically did that in the last episode of season 7
Yeah, but it'd be nice to have it in the movie. Like I don't know I guess they had so little time it's hard to figure out where to put it but still....it hurts that Brock is basically has no real affect on the movie besides delaying Hunter's final solution.
no can do anon, that would've taken valuable time away from a random extended new jack city reference and john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
Yeah but....Triad shit was cool. You could ditch the Fantastic Four speech but that's still not enough time to get Brock in a place where he can go full Murder Machine. Like the only solution is really give them like atleast 10-20 minutes more movie, which was never going to happen as much as I'd love it. Like all the shit I'd take out of the movie isn't enough to fit in everything I would want.
I've seen a bunch of posts about Rusty also being a clone but isn't that impossible since Jonas Jr. exists? Isn't it more likely that Jonas Sr. made a bunch of clones of his son so he could frick around with genetic tampering on a safe template to fix the various shit that made him a bald gangly big nosed weirdo. I wouldn't be surprised if Jonas did the same thing for himself to cure his own early balding (since he knew it was going to happen to Rusty even as a kid).
That has been brought up, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson and Doc didn't address that so they could potentially expand on the whole cloning stuff later on. It does leave a lot of potential >JJ was intentional, but got absorbed and Jonas just shrugged it off as a freak incident of the cloning tech >JJ wasn't intentional, and possibly existed as part of the original Rusty >>In this case, original JJ may have been dead as is usually the case with absorbed twins, but was "revived" when the clone of Rusty got made
Probably not. While he did think Rusty banged her, he just seemed to act like "dude, that was MY girlfriend" than someone who thought their ex had been taken as a wife by another dude. Though I can guess that if Malcolm were to learn that Debbie's eggs were used to help create the boys, he might have mixed feelings about it. Of course, he's probably going to try and keep his word to leave Dean be, and doesn't seem to bother with Hank unless he's around during an arching attempt on Rusty
Well there are some who think Billy is another bastard of Jonas, though he seems legitimately to be a result of that hydrowhatever thing that makes baby heads swell. But it wouldn't be surprising if Jonas got all up in Rose when she was still Triple Threat
If that is true then Jonas' sperm must be fricked up.
All these genetic issues he has. Balding, iron deficiencies, Hydrocephallic, testicular torsion (yes, it is often an inherited thing apparently) and god knows what else. The master was correct to refer to the Venture Bro's DNA being like a septic tank.
Speaking of the Master, anybody else think he might be a super powerful human, like a magical version of the Sovereign/Not Bowie? Far as I recall, he never outright mentions anything that suggests he's centuries old, and some of his dialogue even makes it sound like the dimension where he speaks to Orpheus isn't his main plain of existence.
He's an Ancient One analog so maybe though I'd assume he might be so far gone that he doesn't identify with his human form any longer since when he's forced to come out and confront the magic users he does so as Santa saying he didn't know what else to come as.
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Would be hilarious if that mustached guy he appeared in the one deleted scene were his real form
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What if the horse was his true form
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We never got enough of The Master
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It was nice that he wasn't always pulled out whenever Orpheus had a problem, helped him feel like a last option rather than Orpheus calling for help for the littlest of things. Would have been fun to see him actually meet Hank or Dean, as I imagine he might like them.
Billy is a rape baby from when the big headed telepath had his mom Triple Threat under mind control. Also why she refuses to tell Billy that she's a retired super hero, since she retired because she got raped and decided to keep her rape baby.
I don't know, Brainulo seemed to be absolutely repulsed by everybody "from the past" he met, though that would be amusing if Billy found out he has mental powers
If they weren't going to pull the rape trigger from Jonas and Monarchs mother i highly doubt they'd do it for Billy. Is it so hard to believe in a super hero setting there could be two big headed people
Well there are some who think Billy is another bastard of Jonas, though he seems legitimately to be a result of that hydrowhatever thing that makes baby heads swell. But it wouldn't be surprising if Jonas got all up in Rose when she was still Triple Threat
I think one of the most telling parts about this concept is that what Billy has doesn't look or act like hydrocephalus. But Brainulo and him do bear some obvious resemblance and Billy even mentions feeling a kinship with him as a kid because of their appearances. Also, Brainulo just goes on and fricking on about how he's from the future and his looks are normal there. It honestly makes me wonder if Think Tank is related to all of this, too.
>Billy has doesn't look or act like hydrocephalus
It was more obvious in season 1, as he'd literally have watery sounds accompanying a lot of his movements, like something was sloshing in his noggin. Clearly, they moved away from that because they probably wanted to avoid having to do the SFX all the time with how often Billy showed up, and maybe they figured his unusual proportions were more than enough to get across his condition than having it spelt out through audio gags
I just rewatched this last night. I generally like it but kind of can't believe the last Venture Bros thing ever features Brock doing frick all for 90 minutes?
because it's the last hurrah? Giving Brock a final henchman bloodbath or something would have been a fun throw back. Basically anything but having him stand around with Gathers pretty much the whole time. I just felt like Hank when he woke up asking where Brock was. He was the boys uncle / father figure for so much of the story and even though he'd been gone and was on to other things they always left the thread there. Now it just feels like a dropped ball.
no can do anon, that would've taken valuable time away from a random extended new jack city reference and john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
>john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
this. it doesn't help the FF babbling was more memorable than what was effectively Brock's last line of the entire series "That's a team you can bet on" or whatever in the same scene.
>brock's last big moment is him getting dabbed on
kinda feels like jackson and doc went from not knowing really what to do with brock towards the end of the show to mildly disliking him
>john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
this. it doesn't help the FF babbling was more memorable than what was effectively Brock's last line of the entire series "That's a team you can bet on" or whatever in the same scene.
It wasn't off-topic FF babbling, but an extremely subtle Season 4 callback. >Really? And how'd ol' Reed and the FF get outta that sticky wicket? >They had help, sir. From Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner.
because it's the last hurrah? Giving Brock a final henchman bloodbath or something would have been a fun throw back. Basically anything but having him stand around with Gathers pretty much the whole time. I just felt like Hank when he woke up asking where Brock was. He was the boys uncle / father figure for so much of the story and even though he'd been gone and was on to other things they always left the thread there. Now it just feels like a dropped ball.
they basically did that in the last episode of season 7
Brock got his big epic fight scene in the series finale, he didn't need another one in a movie where they had to squeeze in a conclusion to the story in like 90 minutes
Tho the creators wanted to make something with him.
Aparently the idea was for him to invade the building and a bunch of other stuff, but they couldn't because of lack of time.
For you guys to have perspective THE LAST 15 MINUTES WERE DONE FOR FREE, THE CREATORS LITERALLY AGREED TO WORK FOR FREE ON THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE TO INCREASE ITS LENGHT.
This is some hardcore dedication.
Man, this show is something else.
When you say "the creators" you mean everybody involved, or did the two main guys forfeit part of their salary to cover it, or how did that work exactly?
>THE LAST 15 MINUTES WERE DONE FOR FREE, THE CREATORS LITERALLY AGREED TO WORK FOR FREE ON THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE TO INCREASE ITS LENGHT.
Explain.
nta but as far as I remember, the creators had 70 minutes to do the movie, and covered extra 15 minutes with their own pockets.
>THE LAST 15 MINUTES WERE DONE FOR FREE, THE CREATORS LITERALLY AGREED TO WORK FOR FREE ON THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE TO INCREASE ITS LENGHT.
Explain.
they've been sidelining and (literally) shafting brock for seasons why would this be any different
because it's the last hurrah? Giving Brock a final henchman bloodbath or something would have been a fun throw back. Basically anything but having him stand around with Gathers pretty much the whole time. I just felt like Hank when he woke up asking where Brock was. He was the boys uncle / father figure for so much of the story and even though he'd been gone and was on to other things they always left the thread there. Now it just feels like a dropped ball.
>brock's last big moment is him getting dabbed on
kinda feels like jackson and doc went from not knowing really what to do with brock towards the end of the show to mildly disliking him
At least Brock got to have fun wading through the Blackout team in the very last episode. His coaching Billy & Pete in "The Bellicose Proxy" was also fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjzXTwXG0E
At least Brock will always have the Like a Friend scene which is in the running for the best serious moment of the show and one of the best uses of music I've seen in an animated show.
That was mostly Gary's frickup, although it is at the very least telling that Monarch's too reliant on him considering his gameplan for a lot of situations is "talk big then have 21 back it up for me."
Is 21 the best executed nerd fantasy self-insert character ever?
He gradually becomes a badass while staying in character and never being a Mary Sue or too effortlessly cool and his changes make his dynamic with the Monarch and DMTM more interesting.
What do you guys think the hypothetical season 8 would've been like if they'd made it instead of the movie?
I think for one, the stuff with Jefferson, Dean, and Orpheus would've been (the A-plot of) a whole episode.
Especially with the part where Jefferson is driving and he tells Dean what he did was low, it felt like if they had more time that moment would've been stretched out to really convey how uncomfortable it would be for Dean just sitting there. (I will say that I actually like Jefferson being the one to deliver that to Dean, it just feels right.)
From what I read, one plan they had was for Hank's journey to lead him back to just about every girl he ever had ever known, which would have included that black postwoman from the prom episode, and I suppose maybe even an appearance from Molotov.
Agreed on the scene with Jefferson, Dean and Orpheus. It was one of my favorite parts of the movie. I also liked Orpheus' line about not being a priest and what we can infer about he and Jefferson's friendship / his relationship with Dean that he basically set him up to be put in his place. That said, I never for a second believed Dean had actually been bit but I kind of wish they'd taken the joke even further
First 2 or 3 episodes would probably focus on Hank's misadventures and Monarch stressing about DNA test results, with some background stuff setting up Dean wanting to go after Hank (maybe him talking to Sirena about it) and Rusty trying to make a new product.
Then it bounces between Dean traveling (expands the vampire stuff and Jefferson, with a full season I expect Al might tag along as well), ARCH and Monarch, Rusty, Billy, and Pete trying trying to make something to save the company, and Guild/OSI investigating ARCH. Caps off similarly to the movie.
>First 2 or 3 episodes would probably focus on Hank's misadventures
Imagine how kino it would've been to see Hank roughing it for 2 or 3 episodes and then realizing "wait, I'm rich!"
Actually P&H openly stated Hank would not show up until the third episode of season eight had it happened. Hanks road trip would have him visiting his old crushes (only ones mentioned were the black woman who delivered the mail to the compound and Mary Lou Retron, a real life gymnast who's poster hung on Hanks wall as his first celebrity crush. No mention of Molotov showing up.
Also season eight would have focused hard on Force Majeure finally showing up and being the main season big bad with Debbie as his sidekick. The flashback sequence where Bobbi tells Hank how she got her invisibility powers and joined the Guild as a mole and fell in love with Force Majeure and how she and Debbie had to flee when he got ousted by Sovereign/Bowie was going to be a full length episode. Hence why we never see Force Majeure die in the flashback and why Debbie was "defeated" in a way where she got to walk away scott free/Arch being a nothing burger, to keep the door open if the show is allowed to come back to have Debbie and Force Majeure raise hell.
i'm watching with the commentary and they mention that they wanted to get matt berry to voice force majeure which sounds goofier than i would've imagined
I can kind of see it (some of his lines from WWDitS sort of sound like they'd work). Like, maybe if he was trying to not be as funny? Or maybe if he was like...supposed to be a fall from grace sort of character?
It's a comedy show, not to mention it's all in delivery. But yeah he'd be going on like 90 at that point would he not? Him being a little senile and grumpy would be pretty fitting if he wasn't really the imposing force of nature he once seemed.
I think another moment that stood out in terms of how it would fit in the TV show was when Red Death kneels to Mantilla and says she is the honorable heir to the Guild, then gets immediately shut down.
If that were part of season 8, I feel like Red Death would've done that right at the end of one episode, and the next episode would start with him getting shut down by Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.
I get the feeling they might just rewrite all the Arch stuff to be the Peril Partnership plot since on its face there's a bit of overlap the only major difference is that Mantilla has overtaken the failing Canadian Villain Union and atleast given it the semblance of being a formidable contender thanks to taking in the more ruthless rejects of the Guild and OSI.
Dean and Hank plots would probably trade hands, like the rail riding Hank would be the A-plot for an episode with Dean enlisting the Triad being an extended B-plot before setting off. The Chi-Town episode would be the A-plot while Hank returning to the Compound and finding Dermott/researching Bobbi would be the B-plot. Then finally they'd probably share a B-plot while Ventech is in the stratosphere
First six seasons are right here. https://mega.nz/folder/7c9FVAII#-63rsVMcTZPiMJ0rk7cwMQ
Season 7 and RITBOTBH's are on pirate bay. For Radiant download the blu ray on and not the amazon rip. The Q&A is on any of the rips, you'll have buy the blu ray for that one.
I find it rather telling that malcolm's reaction to it was subdued in a way, where he didn't even feel like addressing it out loud but more of a quiet seething you don't even necessarily do at a business meeting but with your best mate.yj 2hpa
I REALLY hope Discovery sees the potential and gives Venture Bros. another season. Like, I know I'm wishing for something that isn't going to happen, but dear lord am I wishing.
I would imagine the guys are going to shop around since AS finally fricked them over big time. I recall someone once saying they had an open invitation from Comedy Central, though that was years back when the network still had some worth. Shame HBO seems to be giving up on them, unless the removal of the show is just some stupid ploy to get interest and "bring it back by popular demand"
AS and HBO were both Warner which is now owned by Discovery. And the guy in charge of Discovery is a dick and is killing shit left right and center because he has no idea what he's doing/wants to keep milking the "reality TV" tit for the rest of his existence.He bought WB for the super heroes and doesn't give a frick about anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed Venture Bros. from MAX because they're trying to quietly bury it in hopes that no one will care about it if they do so.
Its a Venture Bros thread, Cinemaphilemrades, you know what must be done. Favorite line(s), go >You think you're all hot shit in a champagne glass, but you're really cold diarrhea swirling in a dixe cup!
>Quickly, what is the worst thing that ever happened to you? >Um, I saw my mum raped by Blackulas. I was... ten. She... called my name. I just stood there... >Uhhhhhh, wow
>I wanted to kick his ass, I wanted to build a machine to kick his ass, I wanted to build an empire to house the machine TO KICK HIS ASS!
>My pants are haunted! My pants are haunted! >Yeah, super, come on over and watch us die. Spiked walls are coming in on us and you want to put on a puppet show. >I love Hitler and Hilter loves me! >Holy shit you're Dean fricking Venture! King I gotta buy my b***h back, here's your cigarette. >Frick you give me a dollar.
For me it's often the delivery and context rather than elaborate or explicitly "funny" writing. Picrel is still my single favorite bit in the ENTIRE run and I still have no idea why. Hunter's lines are also almost always hysterical; "YOU'RE AN INFANT" gets me every time and it's entirely because how JP delivers it.
Even the non-cannon bits are great >Off coursh Ahm havin' shex wid' Kiki! Jus' lewk ad' him! He's BEAUTIFUL! Thad doeshent mhake me ghay, thad mhakes me SCHMART!
Every actor in the show just kills it 100% of the time, they really all deserve props for it. As far as Hatred goes his scene locked in the Venture compound bathroom threatening suicide while Dr. Girlfriend talks him down is pretty much peak VB.
Its a Venture Bros thread, Cinemaphilemrades, you know what must be done. Favorite line(s), go >You think you're all hot shit in a champagne glass, but you're really cold diarrhea swirling in a dixe cup!
Trial of the Monarch has great lines in general. Personal favorite is >Unorthodox, the defendant is in a crown for God's sake!
>Well, Hank, what’s it like to be a… liar. Huh? You like being a liar with pants constantly on fire? >Objection, your honor, leading. >I’ll rephrase that: Hank, are you a liar? >No sir, I don’t think so. >Yes you are! >You’re the liar! >And may I remind you, that I am rubber and you are glue, and whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!
I distinctly remember Trial being the first episode of Venture Bros that really made me laugh >Hank, are you liar? >No >Yes you are! >You're the liar! >And may I remind you that I am rubber and you are glue! And whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
I distinctly remember Trial being the first episode of Venture Bros that really made me laugh >Hank, are you liar? >No >Yes you are! >You're the liar! >And may I remind you that I am rubber and you are glue! And whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
>Tears?! You've got to be kidding me! >You that sick deformed slob was- >You know he was pounding his invisible meat all over that skimpy lil-
And the follow up: >Aw c'mon pop, we're not babies! Dean told me how he pounds his meat-
I'm more privy to the reactions from Rusty and the Judge >That’s it! Objection! Your honor, I have children listening to this potty talk! >Sustained. I want that last bit stricken from the record... And my mind.
>Downright unreasonable, I can pole dance better than half those women. Good Lord, son! There should be a mandatory retirement age for strippers! >Did you see that I cornered by Robin last night? Almost had to chew my own arm off to get away! >Ooh! That woman has the SADDEST breasts! Damned depressing! >Right, yea?! They're like the Notebook sad! >breasts are like coming home from school and finding out your old man ran over your cat sad. >Mournful... she has MOURNFUL breasts! They're like two suicide notes stuffed in a glitter bra! >Those things are like a little kid with Progeria, cracking all his ribs trying to catch a NERF ball. Just sad... DAMMIT she has gloomy breasts! >It's like she put a dollar's worth of change into some old socks, and then taped them to her chest. >I wanna build two little caskets and give her breasts a tasteful, dignified funeral.
>I'm not gonna sit here alone. I'll look like an idiot! >Dude, you just ate dinner with a guy dressed exactly like you. >At least I looked like a popular idiot.
>24: what the hell is this? >21: It looks like a spare monarch mobile? >24: Aw I can’t believe this! We could have been tooling around in in that sweet ride all year instead of my crappy stanza. >21:speaking of, check this out >24: oooh my stanza! Doug’s gonna kill me!
>24: What the odds we get lucky and they pull a double Villechaize on themselves? >21: Huh? W-wait! Maybe someone we know
could take them out for us. >24: Dude they tore through everyone that we know like a bag of leaves! >21: Yeah but who else do we know who's done that to everyone else that we know? Like 100 times? >24: Hmmmm... Ah!
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>24: man, I can’t believe those little midgitlers expect us to rebuild this whole fricken place!
>Who the hell is Doug? >My Dad.... I never finished paying him for this. >21 and 24, quit yer BULLSHITTING and get back to work!
>24: what the hell is this? >21: It looks like a spare monarch mobile? >24: Aw I can’t believe this! We could have been tooling around in in that sweet ride all year instead of my crappy stanza. >21:speaking of, check this out >24: oooh my stanza! Doug’s gonna kill me!
Are you two just going to do the entire episode script in green text?
Personally I'm just glad my boy AJ got kind of a happy ending.
>Deadpan offscreen Rusty: "Oh no he didn't."
I'd watch an entire spinoff show of these idiots in the former boy adventurer support group just hanging out.
>BAH! WHEN DR. Z HARASSES YOU, YOU'LL KNOW IT! A GIANT METAL CRAB WOULD TEAR THE ROOF OFF OF YOUR TRAILER! NO LESS THAN /SIX/ SUICIDE ASSASSINS WOULD SPRING FROM ITS BELLY!
Blame WB for their weird backpedaling after giving Doc and Jackson the go ahead to use the JQ world early on. And all because of a failed attempt to try and resurrect the Jonny Quest IP in an effort that crashed harder than Universal's dark cinematic universe
Blame WB for their weird backpedaling after giving Doc and Jackson the go ahead to use the JQ world early on. And all because of a failed attempt to try and resurrect the Jonny Quest IP in an effort that crashed harder than Universal's dark cinematic universe
was talking about that Tom and Jerry crossover movie.
>So it's a Cocoon that flies...? I just realized that makes no sense. >Cocoon, Monarch, it's a theme thing >Yeah, I get it, but why didn't you just make it look like a butterfly? >... >Because that's gay
Man, Cardholder and Doe were a bit too short lived, if you ask me. They might not have had the dynamic act to appear as frequently as other duos, but they were still great to watch whenever they showed up
Agreed I think they're hilarious. If you've never seen Barton Fink there's a pair of detectives in it who strike a similar nerve for me with their dialogue.
Show got cancelled some time after last season and the creators managed to convince the higher-ups to let them make a movie since they already had some work done on the next season.
>make a movie since they already had some work done on the next season.
Not really adult swim contracted aqua teen hunger force, Metalocalypse, and Venture brothers about doing movies. I'm talking about the show runners but yeah you get it.
They were told not to talk about it, but someone working for them leak it. Then it was cats out of the bag situation and theywere allowed to be more open about it.
>The triad and the fricking guild council got a better send-off than Brock >Gary got even less play than that >Jonas' head, movie night culprit, and bear suit still major open plot threads, among other things
I know the movie forced them to rush a hell of a lot and they even seemed to run low on budget at the end with the out of nowhere invisible blood thing, but goddamn
Both Brock and 21 got enough of a sendoff in S7, in the finale by itself even. The movie covered the essentials as long as they aligned on a storytelling level but cuts had to be made and I'm glad they made a priority to vindicate omissions from the last 2 season (mostly Orpheus) rather than just covering all the bases for a full crowdpleaser by warping the roles of the key characters. Though it's true that the movie doesn't really work as a full "fix" if you've been in withdrawal for 5 years obviously. I'm glad I marathoned the entire thing as a prelude to watching the movie, which left me at a more than acceptable solid 90% of satisfaction.
Personally I don't think the Scare Bear and Jonas things were particularly essential (and adding to the mystery of SB actually works better), but the Movie Night thing was a nasty thread to leave hanging, yeah. There's really no clues there to work with, though considering the often realistic moral tone of the show, simply accepting that the most obvious explanation could be the truth could be acceptable I know I'm rationalizing to cope
It's mostly a meta thing because of the staging. It would actually be clear cut if he was in fact shown doing it, or implied to ponder doing it to begin with, or if he didn't vehemently deny having done it years later in a mind-meeting with Jonas where the latter comfortably slips into his original role of manipulator in their relationship. As presented in the episode, the scene at the very least implies the possibility that there were factors or parties involved omitted from the retelling.
Obviously it's very unlikely that Jonas may have done it himself, but a popular theory is that the young Manstrong could have done it if Vendata actually went through with his threat and screened the tape for the Movie Night audience, as he had been proved to act highly unstable when confronted with the truth about people he idolized, specially if the truth involved sex.
Personally I don't think that would have been on the table because A) Manstrong jokes about the whole thing in the first episode he's in (which is out-of-character enough even if it wasn't literally him who did the deed) and B) Doc and Jackson kinda disliked the character so they wouldn't grant him that much relevance to begin with.
Another one of Rusty's plastic toys shorted at a shockingly coincidental moment, because why not.
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I think a time-traveling Rusty is definitely a possibility.
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Good point, but why? Rusty isn't fond of his dad, but I don't think he would go back in time and murder him (and the rest of Gargantua One).
You know, what might work is if Rusty (or somebody else?) went back to Movie Night, tried to stop the accident, and ended up causing it by mistake. Venture Bros seems like the type of show that would operate on a fixed timeline in terms of time travel.
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>You know, what might work is if Rusty (or somebody else?) went back to Movie Night, tried to stop the accident, and ended up causing it by mistake.
Yeah, that’s what I had in mind, or some other accident.
I really like the theory that it was Bud Manstrong, who stumbled into the control room after Morpho/Vendata left, saw the sex tape, passed out and accidentally opened the doors.
We know Bud was on the station at the time, we know he passes out during sex, and it retroactively makes his "MY GOD IT'S FULL OF STARS" line in S2 a foreshadowing lore drop on top of being a 2001 reference. It also explains why Bud has such hangups around sex.
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Same. It all lines up and I think it's what was originally planned, but we probably wouldn't get it anyway since Doc and Jackson don't like writing Bud.
The show tends to love leaving things up in the air (not seeing a body when someone is implied to have died, etc) so they can come back and pull a big twist that either nobody expected, or wasn't as easily to piece together as others. The ORB scene was a popular one, since the original scene made it seems like Sandow crushed Colonel Venture's head, but then we see he merely busted the device because of his loyalty for his boss
I'm the opposite, i have to know about scarebear but also idg everyone saying movie night wasn't explained? wasn't it explained in detail? i rewatched the season last month and i didn't have any questions.
>i have to know about scarebear
But it's funny if we don't. The gag is how he's a character that just shows up at random, operates outside the arching dynamics nonsense while being actually unsettling and threatening, and apparently knows who is fricking whom and where at any given point.
The good news is it sold like hotcakes in a den of rabid dogs the bad news is that was the last hotcake ever made and all we have left are whistful hotcake like memories. Hotcakes.
The good news is it sold like hotcakes in a den of rabid dogs the bad news is that was the last hotcake ever made and all we have left are whistful hotcake like memories. Hotcakes.
Is the BD region-free? The season sets were up to S6, but sadly they capped the S7 release to Region 1.
>Is the BD region-free?
I live in Europe and it works fine for me, and I'm pretty sure the company I bought it from (through amazon) imported it from the US. Region lock frickery was my biggest fear as well while I was waiting for it to arrive.
How common are region locks nowadays, anyway? I found out through your post that Season 7 is region locked. Real shame because I planned on buying all of those season DVDs/Blurays someday, but apparently one of them will be off limits when it comes to actually using it.
So the artbook is worth a gorillion dollars now. Do people actually buy these jacked-up listings, though, or do they just float on forever with no takers? I have no intentions of selling my book, but in the event of a financial emergency, can I rely on getting several hundred out of it?
>people don't think rusty will be at the same level as the monarch now that Ventech seems done >Rusty has the voltron that JJ used to completely btfo the monarchs full on crew
He'll probably scrap it to try and build 'Rusty Land' on the compound
Monarch is under some special arching shit now. They're mostly the same guy. The Guild honors real arches, everything else is just makework for weirdos.
I feel like the New York heroes were one of the things they set up as a potential plot thread and then decided not to use because they had better stuff.
>Will never know what this scene was supposed to lead up to
I just assume it was another Dr. Venture and Billy adventure we were supposed to see at some point.
There was definitely gonna be a time travel plot at some point. Probably a bit further along than season 8, because it seems like the near future Rusty is on at least semi-friendly terms with Malcolm.
>Will never know what this scene was supposed to lead up to
I mean, we'll never see Escape to the House of Mummies Part I, either, but I don't think we were ever meant to.
Correct, we weren't. If you get a chance to listen to the audio commentary, Jackson kinda regrets doing it, as the joke flew over a lot of watchers heads who thought they missed a previous episode.
Heh, I should have structured that sentence more precisely.
That is to say, I KNOW we were never meant to see Escape to the House of Mummies Part I and, just like that, I don't believe we were never meant to see Rusty and Billy's time travel escapades.
But, either way, you're right.
Now, don't move; I need to calibrate this thing.
I don't think this is the same thing, the time travel thing was Rusty in the future and it seemed to be deliberately showing where he would be later on.
In my opinion, though, they were just in that scene so that Doc could address The Monarch as Malcolm, and so The Creep would be distracted by their arrival.
I like how Rusty is often portrayed as an out of touch halfwit who can't run a business to save his life, but at the same time, he can pilot a giant robot he's never used before and keep a building from turning into an colony drop. They should jist let him live out his dream of being a cowboy and turn the compound into a ranch.
It's boy-genius adventuring stuff. You don't really grow out of it. You pilot 1 robot, you've piloted them all.
Rusty doesn't deserve to have his dreams succeed, that's the other-verse Rusty that gets to enjoy that.
It's one of the touches of realism I really appreciate from this show, just because Rusty or Professor Impossible are super geniuses doesn't mean they know literally everything in science.
Like how Rusty tried dabbling in pheromones and mutated those assassins or how Impossible had no idea how to fix the wifi in his building
Battlewagon, Battle-axe, big earner for the guild. I'm also not sure if everyone Wide Wale was subletting to was a 10. I mean Redusa was still a 10 on paper.
>I'm also not sure if everyone Wide Wale was subletting to was a 10.
They weren't, I thought that was the point. They were has-beens and wannabes that were paying WW for a high level arch to get their names back in the limelight. Plus Red Death who was a sportsman and only did one special arch a year.
I think Think Tank being so desperate for a chance to match wits with a fellow intellectual and running headlong into the reality of Rusty Venture might be the most bad I felt for any minor villain in the show.
Y'know, then, not when he got put in a coma later in the same episode
At least I got some official merch, and I can re-watch the series on DVD anytime. But I am glad when stories get to end. Usually a studio exec fires the talent and says frick you and milks the IP for pennies worth of profit for the next decade.
I was thinking that as I watched the movie, oddly enough. There were a couple moments that were undeniably 'Venture Bros' but felt that now you'd get them in other places in a way you wouldn't get even 10 years ago, let alone 20
I was thinking that as I watched the movie, oddly enough. There were a couple moments that were undeniably 'Venture Bros' but felt that now you'd get them in other places in a way you wouldn't get even 10 years ago, let alone 20
It's still ahead of its time even now by virtue of never shitting the bed unlike other lore shows.
This. One just had to glance at Rick & Morty to see an example of a lore show that not only shits the bed, but rolls around in it, tells you it's rolling around in the shit-covered bed, and then proceeds to repeatedly say it is doing that over and over because the writers don't think anybody is paying attention.
>over and over because the writers don't think anybody is paying attention
I wasn't insulted at first but the more I think about it through the years and how the show has just absolutely shit itself since Season 3 I've gotten to the point where I am immensely insulted at that. It's one thing to frick up your lore. It's an entirely other thing to frick it up, and then explicitly tell your audience who does care you did it on purpose and don't give a frick about what they think.
I'm not going to condone what Roiland did because I won't deny he was a fricking menace to have in a workplace. But it's so flagrantly clear he had a significant role in what made the show funny before they quarantined him to the voice acting closet. And I don't think I could ask for a better narrative that these fricking writers ruined a good thing and now the secret sauce is gone and there's basically zero hope of it coming back. The clarity is refreshing. Just as much as the clarity of Venture Bros competence and consistency is always fresh.
>I don't understand the appeal of Venture Bros. Can someone explain it to me?
All kinds of reasons but, as early as the pilot, I liked the occasionally very dark comedy.
>Dr. Venture: "Oh, gentlemen, be careful not to get too close to the X-1's engines.
>Guards look into the glowing green engines, which are visibly distorting the air around them.
>Dr Venture, giving them a grave look over his glasses says in a sepulchral tone: "Cancerrrrr."
For me, personally, it just knocks it out of the park in every aspect. >adult cartoon that doesn't look like a horrible low-effort family guy clone (this was back when most of them were still visually distinct) and actually starts looking better as time goes on >actually funny writing by two goofy nerds who actually understand how to do strong pop-culture references and meta/self-aware comedy >excellent voice performance by everyone involved, including the two creators who aren't even professionally trained voice actors afaik >good overarching plot with compelling characters, most of whom grow more interesting as the series goes on (21, the monarch, the venture bros themselves, etc) >top tier soundtrack, including the licensed songs >entire show is oozing with passionate love letters to every piece of media the creators like
That last one especially just does it for me. Especially these days, an age where too many adult cartoons are just made by hack D-list celebrities who don't give a shit about their work or animation as a medium, you really start to appreciate creators with actual passion who also get the opportunity to explore that passion. The fact that these dudes were allowed to do this for over 20 years with their infamous production schedule is a nigh-unparalleled miracle.
TL;DR it's just good. It's not 100% perfect, but it really is one of the better things out there when it comes to US adult animation.
Is Rusty just an altered clone of Jonas Sr, created to inevitably become a new body for Jonas once his started failing of fatigue/old age? Is Doctor Qyim really Rusty's half sister?
We don't know the specifics of Rusty. Maybe he was always a normal kid, maybe he was some kind of experiment of Jonas. It's really anybody's guess given how much of an butthole Jonas Sr. wound up being. As for Qyim, it's pretty cut and dry about her father being Jonas, which means she and Rusty are related even if it's more complicated than what we presently know.
The red hair, and Jonas did "get around" a lot, namely with her mother, Mz. Qyumn
wrong color of red, her hair doesn't match rusty Jonas or malcolm. Plus col gentlemen was very pissed off rusty didn't bang his stepdaughter. if he knew his beards kid was jonas's bastard I don't think the old queen would be so irate over not having a webbed toe version of the twins floating around.
It's always possible Horace never quite figured it out, since it did seem like Jonas kept his relationship with Mz. Qyumn a secret. Though it's always possible he didn't care and loved Tara as his own since at least he's not as callous as Jonas to just abandon a child. And it's not so much he was upset that Rusty couldn't seal the deal, he thought Rusty had toyed with Tara and manipulated her, not remotely aware of the circumstances that completely ruined Rusty nearly getting some action after 20 years
There's no definite clue as to whether Rusty is a clone of an original "legit" Rusty or was test-tubed like Hank and Dean. And neither is there anything that confirms or denies that Jonas may be DQ's father, though her design obviously intended to at least establish the possibility.
"Maybe but maybe not lol" is the foundation of Venture Bros. writing after all.
We don't know the specifics of Rusty. Maybe he was always a normal kid, maybe he was some kind of experiment of Jonas. It's really anybody's guess given how much of an butthole Jonas Sr. wound up being. As for Qyim, it's pretty cut and dry about her father being Jonas, which means she and Rusty are related even if it's more complicated than what we presently know.
According to Helper 2, Jonas was "compelled by love and guilt" when he created Rusty.
I thought people would actually want to, but I think it was a mix of people being tired(it was 2 AM)and people just wanting out of the temporary Discord. If you were one of the anons who did join in, thank you.
The worst part about this movie was the fact that Hank and Rusty do not interact. After Hank opened up to him at the hospital I expected something to eventually happen, but it never ever came
To be fair, they had plenty of time during season 7, since Rusty fricks himself up after the 3-parter premiere, and yet nothing came of it beyond Hank at least understanding that his dad does really care about him, even if he goes about in the most shitacular manner
How do you guys feel about the Moppets? Personally they're some of my least favorite characters, I felt pretty much indifferent when they died. Only time I enjoyed their presence on-screen is when the Monarch immediately threatened to murder them for trying to order him around.
I think the moppets were a decent idea to add more for Shelia to work with as a character and an attempt to give her independence from the monarch and phantom limb, but it didn’t work out. And as she got better independence, they over stayed their welcome. Which is why they were killed off
How do you guys feel about the Moppets? Personally they're some of my least favorite characters, I felt pretty much indifferent when they died. Only time I enjoyed their presence on-screen is when the Monarch immediately threatened to murder them for trying to order him around.
They were fun, but definitely could have had more going for them than just being kill-crazy all the time
They lead to some good character development to 21, and some fun gags with other characters (not from them, but of people reacting to them). So they sort of have their role. Good thing that 21 fricked them up.
Can only wonder what else could have been done with them. Before they were revealed as Guild operatives, I could have maybe seen them being the OSI's Watch and Ward; basically the straight laces to Watch and Ward's more goofball duo
they weren't in it enough for me to care. hatred was the one i didn't like because him replacing brock sucked and i get that that was the point of his character but towards the end it really felt like they had no idea what to do with him.
Thinking back, the revelation of the boy's 'mother' means everything about Myra makes total sense. She was in love with Doc and his only female (if not only human) companion at this point. Given her fragile mental state, when he creates kids in a test tube that he's the father of, of course she's going to see herself as their mother. And on Doc's side, of course this will be the point that his desperation for female companionship (read: sex) is overridden by how much someone he sees as an employee is now inserting herself into his personal life, which is why we see Brock taking over shortly after the boys are born.
"Oh, and better make sure the next bodyguard you send is male. It appears that women just can't resist the old Rusty Venture charm, me-ow."
Some of Rusty's dialogue in the pilot and the first episode make him come off like he's flirting with Brock, which was likely a jab at the assumed gay relationship between Benton Quest and Race Bannon. Obviously, the creators decided it wasn't that fun of a premise and abandoned it, along with Rusty's obliviousness
I think the thing I liked the most in the pilot that was lost was Monarch saying venture was his first stop in his “war on everything.” I liked the idea that monarch felt personally slighted by everyone instead of just obsessed with venture
Rusty still is something of a genius, he's just not as inspired as his father or brother were, out of a few moments of brilliance. As for the Monarch, I can kind of get that they probably weren't sure how to work with his hatred of everything without possibly becoming a generic nihilistic villain who just wants to destroy everything
>Dr. Girlfriend giving birth confirms that's she's a real woman, a running gag is that there's a split in the reaction among all the characters were in a betting pool as to wether she was a natural chick or not. Helper gets the higgest payout because he was betting on twin boys.
They're pretty inconsistent with who can and cannot understand Helper. >Dermott can supposedly because he's Venture blood >Monarch cannot >Brock can supposedly because he's the Venture's bodyguard >Hatred is never shown being able to understand Helper
Aside from Brock, it does seem like being a Venture gives one the ability to understand, at least after a while, since Dermott didn't understand until season 5
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I honestly think the best explanation is that it's just based on whether or not Helper himself wants to be understood, explains why Sheila is briefly able to understand him after the Monarch waterboarded him in the season 3 finale
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God, I wonder how many people thought Sheila was a Venture bastard child because of that
The movie + commentary is online now if you know where to look. Hell you can even watch it on streaming sites if you can't even be assed to pay for it digitally
>We still dont know what the Orb do...
Yes we do, it does fricking nothing. Sandow broke it before his Venture could use it. It's quite literally just a fancy paperweight now
Red Mantle hide him and no other caracter know this.
Dermott (and the OSI by extension) is in possession of the Orb, it's shown in the movie when he casually picks it out of a pile of garbage in his room and throws it on the floor.
The hilarious thing is that, in addition to all of the high tech shit that he could make a buck off of, he also has the frickin' clown lamp from Hank and Dean's room.
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As well as the prototype Triad figurines, I believe
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Surprised it didn't seem to suffer much damage, especially when Mr. Reachy got fricking roasted
>We still dont know what the Orb do...
Yes we do, it does fricking nothing. Sandow broke it before his Venture could use it. It's quite literally just a fancy paperweight now
the real venture bros were the friends we made along the way
i like how rusty donated blood to the monarch to keep him alive, rusty a good boy
by the way i havent seen anyome mention this but the monarchs new kidney came from a rusty clone meaning there are still some around
>there will come a point where the post-movie discussion will die down entirely and we'll never have a good, full VB thread again
I'm not ready for this.
>everything goes back to status quo even though the compound burnt down
I liked the tower better. It was a nice change of pace, and seeing doc actually start becoming successful only to get screwed by loot in the movie was frustrating.
>seeing doc actually start becoming successful
When? He fricked up every single step of the way. His first move when he showed up at Ventech was firing everyone and hiring his eternal frickup friends. Between investors jumping ship, Hank's impulsive spending and Dean's school funds, he was bleeding money, and the one time he, Billy and White DID develop something worthwhile, it was intercepted by the OSI and stolen by the Guild. Then the movie arrives and the first new product they actually put on the market is a Helper-shaped Alexa that they had to severely overprice in order to make any money back.
The saving grace is that they could repackage and sell them for a new purpose now, but that would be the new Ventech company's first actual success. Rusty just isn't capable of running shit like this, and he even says that he was far happier living in the middle of bumfrick nowhere just making weird shit all day instead of carrying a top tier tech company on his back. An actual good move for him would've been to immediately sell the company and retire to Spanakopita, but his pride and desire to be at the top of the super science world never would have allowed him to do that.
I'm liking the idea of him maybe being put under OSI supervision as a kind of "frick up improver"; him, White, and Billy take shit and iron out the kinks or find out what's worth reevaluating and what's better off being scrapped.
It would give Rusty something of a job, let him frick around with high tech stuff again, and could easily allow for anything to happen because one day he might be trying to iron out the kinks in an experimental attack chopper, then he's tasked with finding out why a nuclear-powered toaster is sending people into the phantom zone when they set it to "lightly toasted"
I thought it was Rusty, Malcolm, & Jonas Jr were all imperfect clones of Jonas Sr, with Hank & Dean being test tube babies grown in that artificial womb using Debbie's egg & Rusty's sperm, and then all their clones are perfect clones of themselves.
For the best. Hammer is dying.
For real, or you just found out he looks like that?
I'd believe it, dude had a spinal injury and was temporarily a paraplegic, on top of his albinism, and I think that one time he had a nearly fatal infection.
A lot happened to Doc throughout VB's run.
A lot happens to everyone in a 20 year span, anon
Nah man, in that same time period the most serious injury I had was a minor fracture.
Doc almost died twice and was crippled, that's shit luck.
Me during the run of the Venture Bros
>two broken arms
> one broken leg
>spinal tap
>covid twice
>two car accidents, one totaled the car
>/b/ crowdfunded surgery to fix my penis
>an allergic reaction to a tree almost killed me
>discovered a life long allergy was a lie
>a convicted murderer attempted to strangle me
>homelessness almost less to my demise twice
>got shot at three times
>various flus
>lost my passport while abroad in a foreign country
>nearly drown twice
I have a almost died several times in these last 20 years. That’s called life
>/b/ crowdfunded surgery to fix my penis
Did it work?
Yes, it’s been 6 years since and it’s better than ever. Though I still have moments when I don’t recognize it.
The only real negative is some light scarring that no woman has ever noticed, and a few tiny skin tags
>/b/ crowdfunded surgery to fix my penis
You need to elaborate on this
He's not an albino.
My bad, I thought he was. He's just a pale dude with some weird pigment birthmark thing on his scalp.
He's got vertiligo of the scalp.
>read as Pete White
>read as Rusty
>
>read as Billy
Damn shame
they told me when i was ten i wouldn't make it six months and my life expectancy was less than 17 years old and here i am fricking 40. i outlived all but three of the buttholes who declared i was a walking dead person
If you’re being honest then I’m happy to hear you’re healthy and well, anon. I hope you’ve enjoyed watching Venture Bros 🙂
fpbp
The fact that The Venture Brothers don't have a mother is surprising for the current year
>cartoon goes on forever
>Cinemaphile complains
>cartoon doesn't go on forever
>Cinemaphile complains
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you whine no matter what happens?
usually the shows that go on forever suffer a very significant drop in quality. Venture Bros has had consistently good writing throughout its entire run.
It's one of the special cases in which a show not only keeps the same writing team throughout the whole run, but that team is just a couple dudes save for the one episode written by their mentor. It's a unicorn.
Doc acknowledges that it's arguable regarding the first season but otherwise he considers the final seasons basically just as good or bad as the second season for example.
It can go either way. Archer for example has its charms but if you make the mistake of binge-watching it you better be ready for literally the same 3 jokes over and over and OVER.
For me there's a couple annoying staples to Astrobase writing but nothing particularly serious. Mainly their comedy duos' Non sequiturs are a bit hit and miss and can be somewhat grating; Billy and Pete are almost always great (specially if St Cloud is involved) but Watch and Ward tend to not do it for me and Dragoon/Red Mantle just never landed any successful bit I can think of.
>Dragoon/Red Mantle just never landed any successful bit I can think of
Really? I guess I'm just a sucker for the duo ranting bits, because I really liked them.
Just their first episode has
>Where have you been? I've been standing here all day with my dick in my hand.
>That was MY dick!"
>What is this, an episode of Gilligan's Island? Everybody gets hit once and they are instantly unconscious.
>Good one, Six bucks says he has amnesia when he wakes up.
>Two heads are better than one.
>What does that have to do with anything?
>Nothing. I've been wanting to say that all day. I got sick of waiting for an opportunity.
the two heads line always kills me
Watch & Ward are usually pretty funny to me. Red Mantle & Dragoon can be hit-or-miss, but I loved their Final Arch.
To be honest my favorite dou isn't even two dudes. It's late in the game but Captain gentleman abd Rose (aka triple threat)
It's a very wholesome relationship two people living the end of their lives. Something about Captain gentleman being gay, so the relationship is completely platonic. Also with Rose brings a fun side to captain gentleman.
You wrote "Captain Gentleman" three times and it at no point ever sounded off to you?
My whole life sounds off to me
>Something about Captain gentleman being gay
Wasn't he like, bi, but with a preference for young men?
I think they say he's bi, but I haven't seen one mention of any of his partners being a woman.
He was married, anon.
Beard.
I don't think Col. Gentleman gave enough of a frick to have a beard, man.
I been corrected like three times on VB, excuse me I'm going to put my head in a box now.
Jonas was Fricking her though, and the kid was his “step daughter”
He had a wife but the assumption she was a beard. There's a joke in the commentary where he doesn't view himself as gay
>Of course I have sex with Kiki he's beautiful, just look at him! That doesn't make me gay that makes me smart!
So he doesn't have any hang ups about the sex of his partner but is almost consistently going after twinkish men like Bowie, Kiki, and that guy in the flashback His book even says "Gentleman prefers Gentlemen"
>Off COURSH a'hm havin' shex wid' Kiki! Look at 'him! He's BEAUTIFUL!! Thad doesn't mhake me gay, it mhakes me SCHMART!!
He just appreciates a good looking human, simple as
Wasn't he with Billy's mom in the movie, or am I crazy?
I mean, she was literally there with him, but that's because they've been roommates since season 5, along with Action Man who is in a coma.
Oh, I forgot about this, I should use this as an excuse to rewatch the whole show
I mean, watch and ward can be hit or miss but Red Mantle and Dragoon are kino who knew Buddy Holly and The Big Bopper would become villains?
Archer kind of turned into a bizarre self referential maze of in-jokes that at a certain point became exhausting.
i still cant fricking believe they did 3 entire coma seasons
Three separate ones? Or were they all part of the same coma?
Same coma, different setting every time.
The season would always end with Archer dying and then waking up somewhen else, with the exception of 1999 which had reality break down because of a Space Cube or some shit.
Pretty weird. I'm usually pretty forgiving towards "all a dream" stuff, but three seasons of that? It'd be like if VB had Hank and Dean die in every single episode, Kenny style all the way up until the season 3 finale
Each season was a different setting using the same characters as an ensemble cast. It was pretty much "Archer: Elseworlds" for a while, and I really liked Danger Island since it was post-ww2 tiki pulp action.
I never really thought about this, but it says a lot about the quality of the show that one of my favorite episodes is from season one (the yard sale one), and another is from the final season.
>Take this, Quizboy! (click!) Nyeheheheheh! (psssssh) Ow...
Nice Dr. Mrs. heavy episode
her best outfit but the guild uniform wasn't "bad" per se
>Venture Bros has had consistently good writing throughout its entire run.
lol already with the revisionist history. everyone hates the first season and the nyc seasons (including the movie) were definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons.
>everyone hates the first season
The first season has some great episodes man - the animation is fricking rough, but the writing is 100% there.
I've even seen people argue that the show went severely downhill after season 1, not that I agree.
>the nyc seasons (including the movie) were definitely a downgrade from the previous seasons.
Vehemently disagree, though I can see why you'd think that - the fricked up seasons, cut episodes, and cancelling really limited the focus of the show, and if you weren't on board with the blue morpho plot, I can see why you'd be pissed.
Nice bullshit
I really enjoyed the evolution from Johnny Quest parody to including parodies of other well known franchises to having original characters with pop culture references mixed in. I think stuff after they move to the penthouse was a little meh because it focused too much on developing their cast of original characters and lost some of their charm as a unique comedy, but at that point the previous seasons had been so good that I kept watching. Anyone who has watched the whole show will also notice that the writing later on seems to get a little tired and the jokes don't land with as much impact.
Seasons 1-5 are the best imo and the rest is still worth watching. Me and my friend still sing this song all the time when I pick him up to hang out
Venture Sneed has no conclusive ending. If they're bringing it to a close, just fast-forward 25 years and have professor Dean of the university of New York working in his lab with his mustache getting a call from an old friend after mentioning that his father died recently and the funeral wasn't very crowded. And that old friend? The BATMAN.
That's a great parody of the foul timeline in which Doc and Chris hand the show to an increasingly terrible series of writers' rooms.
Venture Brothers only went on "forever" because it took so long to make due to poverty. Seven seasons is a long, but not incredibly long, run and it showed no signs of running out of steam and coasting off past success in that time.
It’s a show that ran almost 20 years and never had to rely on running gags or forced memes. It always went for new material and new reasons to keep people laughing.
Any other show would have made Brick Frog a reoccurring character for meme appeal. This show went out of its way to mock the very idea of brick frog being a forced meme
Another good example is attention to shit like
these snipers falling in love in what they thought may have been a penultimate season and it actually worked. We truly are alone in serialized animation moving forward.
Then we get shit like the tank of gentle cuttlefish seemingly like a one off gag to set up the monarch’s storyline in season 3 actually having a proper and not-forced purpose in season 6, with expert execution no less
>wide wale being that based and essentially a deuteragonist in the second part of 3 parter that was addressing plot points from the THIRD episode of the first season
>Cinemaphile autists didn't shit themselves in pure anger but actually applauded this move
These men are considered amateurs by higher ups in our current cartoonslop era I might add, it's all just baffling from even a corporate standpoint.
Venture Bros was a rare instance of a show that maintained a consistent quality while progressing and evolving
The funny thing is production started sputtering just as B and C list comic characters were becoming incredibly mainstream.
Um what are you talking about?
He's saying when Venture Bros started taking years between seasons was when the MCU got big
So would Dr. Boyfriend be a big handsome chad with effeminate voice. It's hard to work in the style angle, like I guess it's easiest if you just take her typical style then make it male but I keep getting stuck on trying to make him a JFK standin but there's really nothing that makes him stand out like Jackie O's pillbox look. He'd just look like a guy in Butterfly themed Yachting wear
Dr. Boyfriend would totally look like John Fitzgerald
Honestly, I'd argue Venture Bros has only gotten better as time has gone on. It's like the exact opposite of every other long running show.
Cinemaphile is one person
moron.
People hate long running shows that loose their edge, i.g. The Simpsons and Futurama, shows that have lost part of what made them incredibly enjoyable.
In regards to short lived shows, it's because of things like a lack of resolution for plot points because the program is canceled, or the conclusion rushing a lot of plot points. For example a lot of people wanted to see Sym-Bionic Titan finish its story, which could have been achieved with just a handful of additional episodes, while an example of a show that rushed things would be Generator Rex and it's almost laughably slapdash last 4-5 episodes
It's not a hive mind Anon. The Anons who wanted it to end were complaining and now it's the other Anons who didn't want it to end
I had the blu-ray sitting in my drive for almost 2 weeks because I didn't want to sit down and watch it end.
I thought the BD release came out last week
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you'll watch it for her, right?
It's a shame she's simultaneously a big part of the movie and still comes across as underused since she barely interacts with a couple characters despite being the fulcrum for every part of the plot
she was hot
Well better it ends like the 90s Sitcom Dinosaurs with a meaningful ending than stick around like the Simpsons which if it were to end would be robbed of any real enjoyment or meaning with the original show.
That's a legitimate but bizarre example to use as a positive, at least in terms of being memorable. Thank Christ VB didn't go the Dinosaurs way and finished the show with what may come across as a big spiteful frick you because they got cancelled lmao
To be fair the show was called Dinosaurs. Literally no other ending they could have went for. In retrospect the Simpsons didn't have to make fun of them.
In the end the Venture Brothers, just keep being the venture brothers. I still have questions, will Dean keep going to school? Did Hank permanently leave his persona's in the coma world?
It ends with far too many questions.
>VenTech is guaranteed bankrupt now
>Building is back at the old compound and not New York
>Because Venture isn’t a billionaire scientist anymore Brock won’t be assigned to him
>Hank never officially broke up with his girlfriend or told her off for cheating on him
>Dean is now half a country away from his school
>none of the Jonas stuff got elaborated on
>Billy and White are still in New York
>Dr. Orpheus and the triad hadn’t even finished their move yet
>no explanation for scarebear
It’s the perfect ending. Venture Bros always ended every episode with more questions than answers, and now the show itself ends with a crap ton of questions while simultaneously answering some of the biggest ones the fans had for nearly two decades
>Because Venture isn’t a billionaire scientist anymore Brock won’t be assigned to him
More importantly, will the Guild go back on letting the Monarch arch him now that Venture may be below level 10 again? On one hand that sounds like something they'd do, but on the other hand, holy frick stop blueballing my boy Malcolm
I think what Sheila said at the end of the movie is pretty much meant to confirm the Monarch won't be blueballed anymore.
Rusty is literally the same guy as the Monarch, the Guild will allow the Monarch to continue arching him because it's a perfect relationship.
>VenTech is guaranteed bankrupt now
I imagine a few things could happen because of what went down in the movie
>Rusty (and Billy and Pete), having discovered powerful hover tech, get a fat check from the government/OSI to make more of that shit
>JJ had some kind of insurance plan for "costumed lunatic launches the building into the fricking stratosphere", but this means Rusty is now well and truly on his last legs
>The public think the building getting launched was a super crazy PR stunt and the HelperPods skyrocket in preorders
is guaranteed bankrupt now
is back at the old compound and not New York
I think they are going to be alright with the hoover tech.
I mean it clearly intended for more reason but it's fine this way as well.
I wanted red death to get one more really cool scene to contrast how much of a goof he was in this movie, but otherwise I'm glad it ended on such a nice note. It really feels like they wrote this movie to be the end and they nailed it. Don't get me wrong, if they announced there was going to be another season I would cum but I'm glad they never sacrificed quality just to fill the airwaves.
Teasing Brock vs RD and not only not following through but not even giving him any real action scene was kind of a dick move, but if you watch this fresh off the season 7 finale you've gotten your Brock dose anyway and the movie covers what you DIDN'T get.
Well save for some closure on Sirena but the show has always been a sausage party anyway: the conflict gets resolved between the brothers and she doesn't even factor in as anything more than the reason for that conflict. I did read somewhere there were some originally planned scenes wih Wide Wale and her though.
The movie was literally Season 8 but in the span of a movie. There would have likely been a whole episode dedicated to Brock vs RD, they've been teasing that conflict for a while.
>they've been teasing that conflict for a while
Have they?
it felt more like the intro to Season 8 akin to Gargantua 2 rather than a full season
That was probably intentional, since they obviously had grander plans for stuff like Force Majeure, and probably would have had some of Jefferson's old pals get a moment to shine instead of getting swept aside after everyone went to bed
So if we get season 8 or a comic book it'll be those guys, force majeure played by toast, debbie has pp on her belt now, rusty is back home but the triad is in new york, scare bear, time travel, and maybe jonas? Is that everything?
I would guess. Debbie reunites with daddy Majeure and the whole Peril Partnership vs the Guild is finally wrapped. Rusty either returns to a life of seclusion building shit for fun and some meager profit to build more shit, while the boys probably set out to start making their own lives instead of just hanging around home as usual. And of course whatever antics lead to the use of time machine dresser
Dean is still in college too so I wonder how they would've handled that
Three things come to mind
>The boys just take occasional trips back to Colorado to see their pop, meaning they aren't as involved with adventures as they used to be
>They somehow get transportation help from Orpheus (he teleports them or maybe they use the Master's closet dimension as a crossroads
>Rusty recreates the teleporters, and they're just used so the characters can freely warp between Colorado and New York without having to spend the hours between
They have a supersonic jet, it's like a 40 minute trip that breaks every window they go over.
Yea, but there would still be the matter of who drives and where the thing parks when it's in New York since the tower is gone. Of course, if VenTech doesn't go belly up, maybe they'll set up a new building there
It has autopilot and parking in the pit isn't off the table.
I'm actually fine we didn't get closure on Sirena. She was a disloyal girlfriend and more of a plot object than a character in her own right. Wide Wale was going nowhere and I'm glad they just didn't say a thing about him. If they had another season then maybe but the movie was full enough already. As for RD vs Brock, I actually prefer it this way. Giving RD a fight with a known yardstick of a character makes him a known factor and he becomes much less intimidating. I just wanted a solid monologue or having him casually kill a mook. The bit with him stealing the scientists hand along with his phone was good though. I'm also glad we got to see Jefferson kill some vampires and actually be a badass for a bit. I feel like he never got his moment in the series and he deserved one.
>I feel like he never got his moment in the series and he deserved one.
Part of the trouble of being a supporting character for a supporting character. They never knew what to do with Orpheus so the same goes for his friends.
I always wondered if an Order of the Triad show could work but honestly we'll never get anything by Doc and Publick because no one else will ever give them the breathing room they need.
Maybe they can go into comics and just put up littl web videos every now and again if still images with their voices over it.
>Maybe they can go into comics
Imagine how good an Order of the Triad comic would be.
>the show has always been a sausage party
And how. The single most important female character in the series is voiced by a dude, and in the final group scene that closes the show she's literally invisible lmao.
Actually she was trans in the S1 notes iirc but they eventually dropped that angle and made her voice simply a joke and basically a lampshade for the fact that visually she's essentially a fantasy blowup doll.
I wonder at what point they decided Rusty and Malcolm's biological relationship and whether it happened in one go or one thing led to another.
The "half-brothers" part was always a bit too obvious so I assume they were planning to subvert it from the beginning
They truly were The Venture Bros…
Well no they weren't really
Missed opportunity, I think...
Well that was the bait and switch, and way too hard-sold to be actually true really.
Rusty: “It don’t matter. None a this matters.”
I don't think they had the exact details planned out but I do think Monarch and Rusty were always planned to be related in some way. There are a lot of similar design quos in their face.
I speculate about this a lot when I listen to them on the commentary. They claim they've had almost everything figured out by season 3, the problem became how do they show us everything they want in such a limited time, on top of [as] never telling them if they have another season. I really hope they kept a lot of studio memorabilia, I'd love to see some drafts.
I imagine, if anything, they'll at least try to get some kind of artbook out that stories the history of the show's production. They've got over twenty years of content, so they'd be able to make something nice and meaty, even if it winds up being the final bit of VB-anything we ever get
didn't the artbook come out back in season 7
>some kind of artbook out that stories the history of the show's production
Is that not the art book we already got?
I’m genuinely asking here. Haven’t gotten a chance to read it myself yet.
It's the artbook we got, plus a few interviews and the commentary. The show is pretty well explained for the most part. If it isn't explained, it doesn't need to be or is one of the big secrets that keep it in motion.
Yeah this is pretty much what anon described. Only thing it's missing is season 7 and the movie (because it came out before either of them) but for its original price, it's absolutely insane value for VB fans.
>oh there's a venture bros artbook? cool
>go to buy it
>$500
bandwagongays blown the frick out. it was like $25 before it went OOP.
I watched the original run growing up, more like bandwagon gays ruined it for everyone else
Isn't that just par for the course with VB merch? I know there's something about Publick and Hammer not wanting to overdo it with toys and the like, but also something like AS was always screwing them over when it came to the few pieces of merch they did decide to make
Imagine owning a crimeodile figure or red death or phage or the spider chick who got diamond dogged or the diamond dogs or bowie. This shit could have easily gotten hasbro silly and I would have loved every second.
>BUY NOW, DR. THADDEUS VENTURE ACTION FIGURE (COMES WITH 3 REPLACABLE SPEEDSUITS!)
>every time you change his speedsuit, you have to look at rusty's uncensored benis
Actually kek'd. Hell yes I would buy that and not even as a joke
they had a shit ton of merch. they had a whole section of the book dedicated to it. they had bedsheets ffs. also the commentary for the movie literally begins with them talking about merch they want to make. belt buckles and coffee cup sets and shit.
I own a copy but digital versions are easy enough to find online, and you don't need to feel guilty because the product is by now only moving in the scalper aftermarket anyway (probably inflated too because of the attention the show got this year).
Also it's a bit unwieldy lol, while rewatching the show I actually left it in the shelf and just perused the digital copy on my tablet.
Even if you want a physical copy it's better to wait it out imo; the book is from Dark Horse after all and they may eventually do a revised edition covering season 7 and RITBOTBH.
Sheila is oh so sexy
tru dat
Oh nice I had no idea that turned out to be an investment.
i had two and sold one for a decent amount but i'm really debating selling my last one because i know i'll never get it back again unless it gets reprinted which i don't see happening unless maybe the show somehow gets picked up again
>Had the artbook
>someone stole it from my trunk
don't drive drunk kids
you'll leave a window down
Bro so sad to hear. Yeah, I remember one night left my windows down. Randomly hear noises outside, two teena going through my drunk. Yell. Out "Hey!" They run away.
I honestly don't know if they took something, my trunk was a mess at that time.
Yep, the book covers the full production from the pitch book through the pilot and season by season plus episode by episode, in remarkable detail, though sadly only up to season 6 with just a little preview of season 7. Doc Hammer is extremely verbose (entertainingly so) so the already sizable volume of text is blown up even further making the book nearly 400 pages long.
I've been poring through it lately obviously and even though the long rants are fun, a couple of really good soundbites popped up for me. Like Doc going:
>That’s the way a Venture Bros. joke works. It goes too far and we don’t explain it.
Does the book list the episodes in chronological order or in original airing order?
Proper continuity order iirc, specials included. They often remark too how that order doesn't reflect the order they were written (a couple of season premieres were basically left for last).
Doc said if he and Jackson fight a studio and can get a good enough deal they have ideas for more they want to do, but are content with what they put out.
Additionally, they omitted an actual Serena scene and regret it because they wanted to show her side of it but cut it for time.
*find a network, idk how I turned that into fight.
>because they wanted to show her side of it
Don’t think that’s necessary.
Serena was a horny nymph and Hank couldn’t keep his dick up.
Cheating was bound to happen and Dean was close enough to help her out.
Nah, her deal was mostly about pissing off her dad and Dean provided the basic appeal of Hank but also a little extra relatability.
Well that's too bad. I really like the show.
Havent watch the movie yet, how come that pic makes me want to frick Hank?
Because she's Hank's biological motherand she's just as crazy as he is
Not both boys?
Oh yeah, it's both - but you were talking about Hank, and there's more resemblance there.
Different anons. I just watched the movie last night and wanted to make sure I got the correct implication about Rusty taking stuff she didn’t want.
Now that you mention it, it's not impossible given the final scene that there may have been more than one mom involved.
Dude, that's just silly. They're twins.
And no fricking way Rusty talked two women into that and just madscienced his boys up like Jonas would
[Spoiler]There's not much physical resemblance between them and what there is could be attributed to Rusty's "contribution". If he was growing two little experiments, why not actually perform two different experiments?. Considering the reveal, you may even consider a possible different meaning to what Myra said in season 5 that made them conclude she wasn't their mom; they could have been wrong about the full implications of "wanting to actually give birth to them"![/spoiler]
Whoops
Hank got her crazy gene
SEXO
It was interesting how carefully planned out the entire 'pregnancy' was, Rusty didn't just want kids, he wanted them to explicitly share genetics with Bobbi, so when her daughter came around he saw the opportunity and took it
>I think Bobbi might have been his first crush and/or idol
>he must have kept her picture on his desk for like twenty years or so
I know it seems impossible from where we left off but this show is known for crazy rube goldberg setups. Is there anyway rusty and debbie could end up together? I mean killinger and his oni are still floating around and at some point canonically malcolm and rusty will be warmly familiar and we know his hatred well, am I fricking crazy here? I feel a little crazy.
mommy
Her having dated monarch makes no sense because his backstory showed he was just a henchman before meeting Sheila
I can believe he dated her in college and he didn’t meet Dr GF yet at that time
But she had to dump him because her mom didn’t want her dating a villain, which doesn’t make sense if he was still in college
Wasn't the whole point if shadowman 9 thing that he was doing the monarch thing WHILE henching? He hit on dr mrs as the monarch maybe he did the same with debbie right before?
Of*
No, he became the monarch to impress her, he was just henchman 9 prior to that
Being a villainous henchman could’ve still scared away Bobbi idk
>all the crossed out numbers on the "Council of 13" note in the back
>that picture of Malcolm in prison when he had 24 dress as Sheila
Awkward....
GOD I wanna kiss her
That's fine.
It took them 20 years to produce 7 seasons.
I noticed something in the movie I mever thought about. The monarch doesn't have a phone. They use Gary to scan the code and later order stuff through A.R.C.H.
I think it's also so telling, that The Monarch for the most part have anyone to call. Gary his no. 2 and always with him. His wife is by his side, and when she's not he doesn't care.
Monarch does have a phone, Copycat steals it from him in season 6.
You're right about the only two people that would call him though, since we see them both call/try to call him in season 6/7.
Hell, he takes selfies with Dr. Heinie at one point.
>Hell, he takes selfies with Dr. Heinie at one point.
Man frickinh forgot about that. Also thanks for reminding me anon.
There was a recent interview for Hammer and Publick by the site Bleeding Cool where they emphatically said they would be 100% on board with continuing the series (as they had only used a fifth of what they originally planned for the movie)
They did say that if the series ended with the movie it was fine, but they love the show and characters more than the fans do and would love to give out a little more.
Domestic Old Team Venture is pretty cute. Just having supper and yelling about old irrelevant adventures, it's great.
Do you think it was a baby werewolf though?
It was totally a baby werewolf, Gentleman's just a c**t about it
I was in shock that this is the end of the Venture Brothers but considering how averse Hammer and Publick are to satisfying conclusions they can take their show and stuff it.
The show didn't end voluntarily anon.
The guy isn't entirely wrong, Hammer and Publick had mentioned that they would like to avoid a traditional ending. No zoom out as everyone laughs. No closing of a book. None of that stuff. Whether this is the finale or the series returns in another fashion, even that will probably use a nonstandard epilogue.
We had a perfect copy pasta post of Rusty explaining that this is the best ending for Venture Bros.
The Venture Bros. Will (Not) Return
KNEEL BEFORE THE MIGHTY MONARCH
AND NUMBER TWENTY-ONE!
I can't believe #24 has been dead for more seasons than he was alive.
Truly he was the Maide Flanders of Venture Brothers
Aww man forgot pic
When I rewatched the show in season 1, he's only in like 3 or 4 episodes and most of them are towards the end
i love that the younger design has Leia buns
Would Dr M be a burly dude with a lady's voice in this universe?
Mike Tyson?
This type of beat I assume, but looking like a chiseled gigachad
whhoa
cute
Yes, very much so.
hey, that's awesome
binge watched the entire thing for the first time this week and I already miss it
I miss when Sheila dressed like her husband
i dont
what are you gay?
I really like the Guild jacket as a bit of non-verbal storytelling. On the surface it would seem to symbolize Dr M. choosing loyalty to the Guild over The Monarch when in reality it's the opposite. Because of course she wouldn't wear a revealing ensemble in front of a bunch of men when her husband isn't around, especially when one of them is Phantom Limb.
God. I knew that, but reading it hit me hard out of nowhere. Frick, man.
what, you gonna cry about it?
READY THE ACID MAGNET
I thought it was a bit obnoxious when they brought up real life pop cultural stuff instead of the in-universe equivalent, it was too on the nose for me.
When did they do this?
>Dad, pretty much the Avengers are here
>Look, it has a Doctor Strange Window.
>The Impossibles win a costume contest dressing up as the fantastic four.
I can see what you mean, I guess.
Although I'm pretty sure some pop culture stuff is supposed to have been real in venture bros; Some comic book/action heroes, The scooby gang (not the parody, real Velma gave action johnny herpes).
Also they brought up F4 in the movie again, didn't they? Huh.
They were doing this before it was run into the ground by less funny writers so I never minded. Especially since a lot of it was really funny and not just "remember thing?"
This scene is one of my favorites. It feels like natural dialogue between two characters.
Eh it makes sense with how even in a world where all this stuff exists they're all totally lame bullshit so naturally fictional heroes would still exist. Though it gets a bit worse about it from like S4 on
the only time i liked them doing it was the toss of line from that doctor in south america
>eva sincea da iron man everybody wants tha robot heart
If this is where things end, then so be it. We should be happy we even got the movie, and in a pretty timely fashion, no less. Most of the time, it's either never seeing a conclusion, or 10-20 years of waiting for something and not being able to live up to the decades of hype, as seen with things like Samurai Jack
I agree completely. I have my problems with the movie, but I already accepted it was never going to be perfect even before seeing it. I certainly prefer this to the cliffhanger season 7 almost left us with.
>blue morpho saga proves monarch is scary competent when he isn't obsessing over dr venture
>killinger thinks rusty is a natural born supervillain
what if they switched roles?
Rusty would make a great villain, Peak monarch was actually a pretty damn effective villain, monarch really is the positive aspects of what Rusty could achieve without his trauma
>what if they switched roles?
Rusty would be fine, but the Monarch can't do superscience - he spent college writing weirdly specific poems about butterflies, modding a dumb hand-cranked butterfly car, and banging Debbie
Mrs. The Monarch could do the actual superscience while Monarch is more of a figurehead.
WAS HE though? He got caught by Wide Wale without backup because he didn't have the right coordination with his henchman.
To be fair, Wide Wale was far more competent than most of the people Monarch was gunning after
That was mostly Gary's frickup, although it is at the very least telling that Monarch's too reliant on him considering his gameplan for a lot of situations is "talk big then have 21 back it up for me."
In his defense, it WAS pretty cool when he caught that knife on the first try. Not sure what his plan would've been if it just landed in his hand blade-down though.
The only way that would work is if Doc truly committed to being a villain because the Monarch would never be a hero unless it was done in spite just to arch Doc
>blue morpho saga proves monarch is scary competent when he isn't obsessing over dr venture
Didn't he kill almost everyone by accident and then the majority of intentionals were fricking Gary
His goal wasn’t to kill anyone, he wanted to make them give up on venture.
Like Rusty, Monarch *is* competent but stupidity and laziness hinders his competency
O God the Lord, the strength of my salvation, thou hast covered my head on the day of battle.
Honestly the scene with Shore leave feels weird compared to him now. It's not even the pray away the gay stuff. He just felt like sich a "well never see thia guy again" also how he was package with Holy Diver and he sort of went into the background.
That's generally the case with a lot of characters in their introductory episode. Hatred seemed more like a typical drill sergeant when he finally appeared in the season 2 finale, then he just kind of became a loosely military themed villain thereafter during season 3. And of course, we all remember how Billy and Peter were quite different in the pilot (Pete's albinism being super science induced; Billy being much more dismissive of Rusty)
The real funny one is Pirate Captain, he's peak one-off character but shows up a season later and goes onto become a weird supporting character with barely any relation to his origin but he still talks like a Pirate.
>JESUS JONES! now there was a band
Yeah, but it'd be nice to have it in the movie. Like I don't know I guess they had so little time it's hard to figure out where to put it but still....it hurts that Brock is basically has no real affect on the movie besides delaying Hunter's final solution.
Yeah but....Triad shit was cool. You could ditch the Fantastic Four speech but that's still not enough time to get Brock in a place where he can go full Murder Machine. Like the only solution is really give them like atleast 10-20 minutes more movie, which was never going to happen as much as I'd love it. Like all the shit I'd take out of the movie isn't enough to fit in everything I would want.
I've seen a bunch of posts about Rusty also being a clone but isn't that impossible since Jonas Jr. exists? Isn't it more likely that Jonas Sr. made a bunch of clones of his son so he could frick around with genetic tampering on a safe template to fix the various shit that made him a bald gangly big nosed weirdo. I wouldn't be surprised if Jonas did the same thing for himself to cure his own early balding (since he knew it was going to happen to Rusty even as a kid).
I think all the clones were on the same tank and Rusty absorved one of them.
Don't we literally see them. In the womb?
Only in Rusty's dreams, which are clearly exaggerated since he literally vores JJ in the penultimate one
Helper 2 thinks Rusty is a clone, and Helper 2 worked closely with Ben.
That has been brought up, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson and Doc didn't address that so they could potentially expand on the whole cloning stuff later on. It does leave a lot of potential
>JJ was intentional, but got absorbed and Jonas just shrugged it off as a freak incident of the cloning tech
>JJ wasn't intentional, and possibly existed as part of the original Rusty
>>In this case, original JJ may have been dead as is usually the case with absorbed twins, but was "revived" when the clone of Rusty got made
I thought it was because Jonas sr was shit at cloning, and Jonas Jr was a byproduct of cloning Rusty.
Does Monarch think Debbie is the boys' mother on the traditional sense?
Probably not. While he did think Rusty banged her, he just seemed to act like "dude, that was MY girlfriend" than someone who thought their ex had been taken as a wife by another dude. Though I can guess that if Malcolm were to learn that Debbie's eggs were used to help create the boys, he might have mixed feelings about it. Of course, he's probably going to try and keep his word to leave Dean be, and doesn't seem to bother with Hank unless he's around during an arching attempt on Rusty
How would Debbie react knowing Hank and Dean are technically her children?
How many characters do you think would turn out to be Rusty clones?
Well there are some who think Billy is another bastard of Jonas, though he seems legitimately to be a result of that hydrowhatever thing that makes baby heads swell. But it wouldn't be surprising if Jonas got all up in Rose when she was still Triple Threat
If that is true then Jonas' sperm must be fricked up.
All these genetic issues he has. Balding, iron deficiencies, Hydrocephallic, testicular torsion (yes, it is often an inherited thing apparently) and god knows what else. The master was correct to refer to the Venture Bro's DNA being like a septic tank.
The Master was just fricking with Triana to get her on the right path.
Speaking of the Master, anybody else think he might be a super powerful human, like a magical version of the Sovereign/Not Bowie? Far as I recall, he never outright mentions anything that suggests he's centuries old, and some of his dialogue even makes it sound like the dimension where he speaks to Orpheus isn't his main plain of existence.
He could certainly be OP like the Ancient One and powerful enough to just appear the way he does
He's an Ancient One analog so maybe though I'd assume he might be so far gone that he doesn't identify with his human form any longer since when he's forced to come out and confront the magic users he does so as Santa saying he didn't know what else to come as.
Would be hilarious if that mustached guy he appeared in the one deleted scene were his real form
What if the horse was his true form
We never got enough of The Master
It was nice that he wasn't always pulled out whenever Orpheus had a problem, helped him feel like a last option rather than Orpheus calling for help for the littlest of things. Would have been fun to see him actually meet Hank or Dean, as I imagine he might like them.
Billy is a rape baby from when the big headed telepath had his mom Triple Threat under mind control. Also why she refuses to tell Billy that she's a retired super hero, since she retired because she got raped and decided to keep her rape baby.
I don't know, Brainulo seemed to be absolutely repulsed by everybody "from the past" he met, though that would be amusing if Billy found out he has mental powers
If they weren't going to pull the rape trigger from Jonas and Monarchs mother i highly doubt they'd do it for Billy. Is it so hard to believe in a super hero setting there could be two big headed people
But they never implied Jonas raped Don's wife, just that he seduced her
I think one of the most telling parts about this concept is that what Billy has doesn't look or act like hydrocephalus. But Brainulo and him do bear some obvious resemblance and Billy even mentions feeling a kinship with him as a kid because of their appearances. Also, Brainulo just goes on and fricking on about how he's from the future and his looks are normal there.
It honestly makes me wonder if Think Tank is related to all of this, too.
>Billy has doesn't look or act like hydrocephalus
It was more obvious in season 1, as he'd literally have watery sounds accompanying a lot of his movements, like something was sloshing in his noggin. Clearly, they moved away from that because they probably wanted to avoid having to do the SFX all the time with how often Billy showed up, and maybe they figured his unusual proportions were more than enough to get across his condition than having it spelt out through audio gags
I just rewatched this last night. I generally like it but kind of can't believe the last Venture Bros thing ever features Brock doing frick all for 90 minutes?
they've been sidelining and (literally) shafting brock for seasons why would this be any different
because it's the last hurrah? Giving Brock a final henchman bloodbath or something would have been a fun throw back. Basically anything but having him stand around with Gathers pretty much the whole time. I just felt like Hank when he woke up asking where Brock was. He was the boys uncle / father figure for so much of the story and even though he'd been gone and was on to other things they always left the thread there. Now it just feels like a dropped ball.
no can do anon, that would've taken valuable time away from a random extended new jack city reference and john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
>john hodgeman babbling about the fantastic four
this. it doesn't help the FF babbling was more memorable than what was effectively Brock's last line of the entire series "That's a team you can bet on" or whatever in the same scene.
>brock's last big moment is him getting dabbed on
kinda feels like jackson and doc went from not knowing really what to do with brock towards the end of the show to mildly disliking him
It wasn't off-topic FF babbling, but an extremely subtle Season 4 callback.
>Really? And how'd ol' Reed and the FF get outta that sticky wicket?
>They had help, sir. From Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner.
they basically did that in the last episode of season 7
Brock got his big epic fight scene in the series finale, he didn't need another one in a movie where they had to squeeze in a conclusion to the story in like 90 minutes
Tho the creators wanted to make something with him.
Aparently the idea was for him to invade the building and a bunch of other stuff, but they couldn't because of lack of time.
For you guys to have perspective THE LAST 15 MINUTES WERE DONE FOR FREE, THE CREATORS LITERALLY AGREED TO WORK FOR FREE ON THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE TO INCREASE ITS LENGHT.
This is some hardcore dedication.
Man, this show is something else.
When you say "the creators" you mean everybody involved, or did the two main guys forfeit part of their salary to cover it, or how did that work exactly?
nta but as far as I remember, the creators had 70 minutes to do the movie, and covered extra 15 minutes with their own pockets.
>THE LAST 15 MINUTES WERE DONE FOR FREE, THE CREATORS LITERALLY AGREED TO WORK FOR FREE ON THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MOVIE TO INCREASE ITS LENGHT.
Explain.
they should've made all of season 8 for free
They didn’t have the millions that would cost
At least Brock got to have fun wading through the Blackout team in the very last episode. His coaching Billy & Pete in "The Bellicose Proxy" was also fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjzXTwXG0E
the saddest part about VB ending is that we won't have more quiz boy and pink pilgrim
It's a shame the weren't inside the building for the final act excitement and that they got omitted from the final group shot.
At least Brock will always have the Like a Friend scene which is in the running for the best serious moment of the show and one of the best uses of music I've seen in an animated show.
Is 21 the best executed nerd fantasy self-insert character ever?
He gradually becomes a badass while staying in character and never being a Mary Sue or too effortlessly cool and his changes make his dynamic with the Monarch and DMTM more interesting.
What do you guys think the hypothetical season 8 would've been like if they'd made it instead of the movie?
I think for one, the stuff with Jefferson, Dean, and Orpheus would've been (the A-plot of) a whole episode.
Especially with the part where Jefferson is driving and he tells Dean what he did was low, it felt like if they had more time that moment would've been stretched out to really convey how uncomfortable it would be for Dean just sitting there. (I will say that I actually like Jefferson being the one to deliver that to Dean, it just feels right.)
From what I read, one plan they had was for Hank's journey to lead him back to just about every girl he ever had ever known, which would have included that black postwoman from the prom episode, and I suppose maybe even an appearance from Molotov.
Agreed on the scene with Jefferson, Dean and Orpheus. It was one of my favorite parts of the movie. I also liked Orpheus' line about not being a priest and what we can infer about he and Jefferson's friendship / his relationship with Dean that he basically set him up to be put in his place. That said, I never for a second believed Dean had actually been bit but I kind of wish they'd taken the joke even further
First 2 or 3 episodes would probably focus on Hank's misadventures and Monarch stressing about DNA test results, with some background stuff setting up Dean wanting to go after Hank (maybe him talking to Sirena about it) and Rusty trying to make a new product.
Then it bounces between Dean traveling (expands the vampire stuff and Jefferson, with a full season I expect Al might tag along as well), ARCH and Monarch, Rusty, Billy, and Pete trying trying to make something to save the company, and Guild/OSI investigating ARCH. Caps off similarly to the movie.
>First 2 or 3 episodes would probably focus on Hank's misadventures
Imagine how kino it would've been to see Hank roughing it for 2 or 3 episodes and then realizing "wait, I'm rich!"
Actually P&H openly stated Hank would not show up until the third episode of season eight had it happened. Hanks road trip would have him visiting his old crushes (only ones mentioned were the black woman who delivered the mail to the compound and Mary Lou Retron, a real life gymnast who's poster hung on Hanks wall as his first celebrity crush. No mention of Molotov showing up.
Also season eight would have focused hard on Force Majeure finally showing up and being the main season big bad with Debbie as his sidekick. The flashback sequence where Bobbi tells Hank how she got her invisibility powers and joined the Guild as a mole and fell in love with Force Majeure and how she and Debbie had to flee when he got ousted by Sovereign/Bowie was going to be a full length episode. Hence why we never see Force Majeure die in the flashback and why Debbie was "defeated" in a way where she got to walk away scott free/Arch being a nothing burger, to keep the door open if the show is allowed to come back to have Debbie and Force Majeure raise hell.
i'm watching with the commentary and they mention that they wanted to get matt berry to voice force majeure which sounds goofier than i would've imagined
I can kind of see it (some of his lines from WWDitS sort of sound like they'd work). Like, maybe if he was trying to not be as funny? Or maybe if he was like...supposed to be a fall from grace sort of character?
It's a comedy show, not to mention it's all in delivery. But yeah he'd be going on like 90 at that point would he not? Him being a little senile and grumpy would be pretty fitting if he wasn't really the imposing force of nature he once seemed.
I imagine it would be a mix of Phantom Limb and Orpheus
I think another moment that stood out in terms of how it would fit in the TV show was when Red Death kneels to Mantilla and says she is the honorable heir to the Guild, then gets immediately shut down.
If that were part of season 8, I feel like Red Death would've done that right at the end of one episode, and the next episode would start with him getting shut down by Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.
I get the feeling they might just rewrite all the Arch stuff to be the Peril Partnership plot since on its face there's a bit of overlap the only major difference is that Mantilla has overtaken the failing Canadian Villain Union and atleast given it the semblance of being a formidable contender thanks to taking in the more ruthless rejects of the Guild and OSI.
Dean and Hank plots would probably trade hands, like the rail riding Hank would be the A-plot for an episode with Dean enlisting the Triad being an extended B-plot before setting off. The Chi-Town episode would be the A-plot while Hank returning to the Compound and finding Dermott/researching Bobbi would be the B-plot. Then finally they'd probably share a B-plot while Ventech is in the stratosphere
they were finally gonna figure out what to do with this dude
He stole St Cloud's illegal lightning cannon which I was looking forward to seeing more development of
anyone post the commentaries yet?
First six seasons are right here. https://mega.nz/folder/7c9FVAII#-63rsVMcTZPiMJ0rk7cwMQ
Season 7 and RITBOTBH's are on pirate bay. For Radiant download the blu ray on and not the amazon rip. The Q&A is on any of the rips, you'll have buy the blu ray for that one.
for me they're all right here
Does it have subtitles? Im ESL, and they help a lot
How would the show handle it if they revealed Hank got Dermot's sister pregnant?
>Dermot's sister
You both know damn well what he meant
ur mum
>Hank got Dermot's sister pregnant?
Dermott doesn't have a sister. Only half-brothers.
Do you think Brock would have eventually bit the bullet and let Hank join OSI? Probably as a coffee boy or something.
No, OSI has a venture already anyway.
farewell team venture
So, what do you think was in Gary's spank bank?
I find it rather telling that malcolm's reaction to it was subdued in a way, where he didn't even feel like addressing it out loud but more of a quiet seething you don't even necessarily do at a business meeting but with your best mate.yj 2hpa
what was his problem?
Oh yeah, what's up with that guy?
I saw the movie yesterday and again with commentary. Season 8 sounded pretty good.
I REALLY hope Discovery sees the potential and gives Venture Bros. another season. Like, I know I'm wishing for something that isn't going to happen, but dear lord am I wishing.
Same tbh, I really wanna see this time travel episode they mention.
This. The time travel bit with Rusty and Billy was one kid the most perplexing things the show ever did, made funny by the Lawn Dart
I would imagine the guys are going to shop around since AS finally fricked them over big time. I recall someone once saying they had an open invitation from Comedy Central, though that was years back when the network still had some worth. Shame HBO seems to be giving up on them, unless the removal of the show is just some stupid ploy to get interest and "bring it back by popular demand"
AS and HBO were both Warner which is now owned by Discovery. And the guy in charge of Discovery is a dick and is killing shit left right and center because he has no idea what he's doing/wants to keep milking the "reality TV" tit for the rest of his existence.He bought WB for the super heroes and doesn't give a frick about anything else. I wouldn't be surprised if they removed Venture Bros. from MAX because they're trying to quietly bury it in hopes that no one will care about it if they do so.
We need to write letters is what needs to happen.
>I made tender, yet purely accidental, love to the Blue Morpho
Its a Venture Bros thread, Cinemaphilemrades, you know what must be done. Favorite line(s), go
>You think you're all hot shit in a champagne glass, but you're really cold diarrhea swirling in a dixe cup!
>I wanted to kick his ass, I wanted to build a machine to kick his ass, I wanted to build an empire to house the machine TO KICK HIS ASS!
>Then, by God, LET'S GO TAKE A DUMP IN HIS POOL!
This and YOU ABANDONED MY HATRED were where I started to become seriously invested in VB as more than just a comedy.
>Your dingus. What's it look like?
so many its hard to pick
>Quickly, what is the worst thing that ever happened to you?
>Um, I saw my mum raped by Blackulas. I was... ten. She... called my name. I just stood there...
>Uhhhhhh, wow
that's one of the best ones
>My pants are haunted! My pants are haunted!
>Yeah, super, come on over and watch us die. Spiked walls are coming in on us and you want to put on a puppet show.
>I love Hitler and Hilter loves me!
>Holy shit you're Dean fricking Venture! King I gotta buy my b***h back, here's your cigarette.
>Frick you give me a dollar.
"SUPER FRICKING RUNAWAY"
For me it's often the delivery and context rather than elaborate or explicitly "funny" writing. Picrel is still my single favorite bit in the ENTIRE run and I still have no idea why. Hunter's lines are also almost always hysterical; "YOU'RE AN INFANT" gets me every time and it's entirely because how JP delivers it.
I know what you mean man i could listen to them just say words in Colonel Gentlemen's voice and it would be funny.
>Hungry Hungry Hippos...
>AT-AT Imperial Walkah!
>...Shmurfs...
>Shcooby Doo Monshter gehm...
Even the non-cannon bits are great
>Off coursh Ahm havin' shex wid' Kiki! Jus' lewk ad' him! He's BEAUTIFUL! Thad doeshent mhake me ghay, thad mhakes me SCHMART!
Every actor in the show just kills it 100% of the time, they really all deserve props for it. As far as Hatred goes his scene locked in the Venture compound bathroom threatening suicide while Dr. Girlfriend talks him down is pretty much peak VB.
>Look at you, you all practically crapped your pants! Except him, HE CRAPPED HIS PANTS!
>Rusty: That appears to be my dermis. >Hank: Wow! Bet if you put that under your pillow, the Tooth Fairy'll give you like a grand.
This is the only line in any show that made my genuinely guffaw.
>"I kept my mouth shut when Dean said he knew Sanskrit-"
>MECHA SHIVA!
>MECHA SHIVA!
>MECHA SHIVA!
>MECHA SHIVA!
Trial of the Monarch has great lines in general. Personal favorite is
>Unorthodox, the defendant is in a crown for God's sake!
>Well, Hank, what’s it like to be a… liar. Huh? You like being a liar with pants constantly on fire?
>Objection, your honor, leading.
>I’ll rephrase that: Hank, are you a liar?
>No sir, I don’t think so.
>Yes you are!
>You’re the liar!
>And may I remind you, that I am rubber and you are glue, and whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!
Based hivemind
I distinctly remember Trial being the first episode of Venture Bros that really made me laugh
>Hank, are you liar?
>No
>Yes you are!
>You're the liar!
>And may I remind you that I am rubber and you are glue! And whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
>Tears?! You've got to be kidding me!
>You that sick deformed slob was-
>You know he was pounding his invisible meat all over that skimpy lil-
And the follow up:
>Aw c'mon pop, we're not babies! Dean told me how he pounds his meat-
I'm more privy to the reactions from Rusty and the Judge
>That’s it! Objection! Your honor, I have children listening to this potty talk!
>Sustained. I want that last bit stricken from the record... And my mind.
>Downright unreasonable, I can pole dance better than half those women. Good Lord, son! There should be a mandatory retirement age for strippers!
>Did you see that I cornered by Robin last night? Almost had to chew my own arm off to get away!
>Ooh! That woman has the SADDEST breasts! Damned depressing!
>Right, yea?! They're like the Notebook sad!
>breasts are like coming home from school and finding out your old man ran over your cat sad.
>Mournful... she has MOURNFUL breasts! They're like two suicide notes stuffed in a glitter bra!
>Those things are like a little kid with Progeria, cracking all his ribs trying to catch a NERF ball. Just sad... DAMMIT she has gloomy breasts!
>It's like she put a dollar's worth of change into some old socks, and then taped them to her chest.
>I wanna build two little caskets and give her breasts a tasteful, dignified funeral.
>P.E.N.I.S.
Eat the pennies, Quizboy...
>Ugh... the way he walks is so disgusting. I swear that guy takes estrogen
>Red Death in a room full of corpses
>"How will they be unconscious?"
>"Um..."
how LONG*
god damn it
>I'm not gonna sit here alone. I'll look like an idiot!
>Dude, you just ate dinner with a guy dressed exactly like you.
>At least I looked like a popular idiot.
>Rodney killed a babbeh once
>IT WAS A WEREWOLF! I saved your life!
>24: We could take my Nissan stanza.
>Monarch: What color is it? Is it diabolical? Or atleast butterfly colored?
>24: It's powder blue.
>Monarch: 21, what do you drive?
>21: His powder blue stanza.
>24: what the hell is this?
>21: It looks like a spare monarch mobile?
>24: Aw I can’t believe this! We could have been tooling around in in that sweet ride all year instead of my crappy stanza.
>21:speaking of, check this out
>24: oooh my stanza! Doug’s gonna kill me!
>Who the hell is Doug?
>My Dad.... I never finished paying him for this.
>21 and 24, quit yer BULLSHITTING and get back to work!
>24: man, I can’t believe those little midgitlers expect us to rebuild this whole fricken place!
>24: What the odds we get lucky and they pull a double Villechaize on themselves?
>21: Huh? W-wait! Maybe someone we know
could take them out for us.
>24: Dude they tore through everyone that we know like a bag of leaves!
>21: Yeah but who else do we know who's done that to everyone else that we know? Like 100 times?
>24: Hmmmm... Ah!
Are you two just going to do the entire episode script in green text?
>Deadpan offscreen Rusty: "Oh no he didn't."
I'd watch an entire spinoff show of these idiots in the former boy adventurer support group just hanging out.
>BAH! WHEN DR. Z HARASSES YOU, YOU'LL KNOW IT! A GIANT METAL CRAB WOULD TEAR THE ROOF OFF OF YOUR TRAILER! NO LESS THAN /SIX/ SUICIDE ASSASSINS WOULD SPRING FROM ITS BELLY!
Action Johnny was very underused
Blame WB for their weird backpedaling after giving Doc and Jackson the go ahead to use the JQ world early on. And all because of a failed attempt to try and resurrect the Jonny Quest IP in an effort that crashed harder than Universal's dark cinematic universe
Yeah didn’t they want Dwayne Johnson to play Race I’m their live action movie? I remember seeing articles about that around 2007/2008
Now I'm just imagining Dwayne with some shitty white wig on his head, and I'm giggling like an idiot at how absurd it would look
Zac Effron as Jonny? God this would have sucked
https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/hero-complex-blog/story/2009-04-08/jonny-quest-gets-zac-efron-but-loses-its-name
Oh… I thought
was talking about that Tom and Jerry crossover movie.
Rusty's comment kills me every time. Urbaniak nails Rusty's whiny sass in a lot of his iconic lines
>Magenta? THAT'S your battle color?
>Did you dab?
>What?
>Dab. Did you dab?
>Uh, no?
>Well you should probably dab
>Ok then
>I dab!
>Stop saying dab!
>and this was ages before that stupid meme
Goddamn, I feel so old
>there are people out there right now born after Venture Bros premiered
>they're coming up on being able to legally drink, at minimum
>born in '04
I'm so sorry, bros.
Michael Sinterniklaas is so good at playing Dean. Just reading that greentext makes his iconic whiny voice come to life
>HAVE YOU BEEN SHOOTING DOPE INTO YOUR SCROTUM, DEAN?! YOU CAN TELL ME! I'M HIP!
>So it's a Cocoon that flies...? I just realized that makes no sense.
>Cocoon, Monarch, it's a theme thing
>Yeah, I get it, but why didn't you just make it look like a butterfly?
>...
>Because that's gay
>Revenge, like gazpacho soup, is best served cold, precise, and merciless...
>Oh yeah, you can never have enough precision in your soup
>You want to end up like Gary Busey?
>If it were a woman, I'd marry her
>And I would put our lifelong friendship in jeopardy by nailing your hot wife
Man, Cardholder and Doe were a bit too short lived, if you ask me. They might not have had the dynamic act to appear as frequently as other duos, but they were still great to watch whenever they showed up
homie who tf was like
>oh wow it's a cardholder and doe episode
Didn't imply anything of the like
Agreed I think they're hilarious. If you've never seen Barton Fink there's a pair of detectives in it who strike a similar nerve for me with their dialogue.
Forever? What the frick happened?
Show got cancelled some time after last season and the creators managed to convince the higher-ups to let them make a movie since they already had some work done on the next season.
>make a movie since they already had some work done on the next season.
Not really adult swim contracted aqua teen hunger force, Metalocalypse, and Venture brothers about doing movies. I'm talking about the show runners but yeah you get it.
They were told not to talk about it, but someone working for them leak it. Then it was cats out of the bag situation and theywere allowed to be more open about it.
…
Show introduced me to that song.
>The triad and the fricking guild council got a better send-off than Brock
>Gary got even less play than that
>Jonas' head, movie night culprit, and bear suit still major open plot threads, among other things
I know the movie forced them to rush a hell of a lot and they even seemed to run low on budget at the end with the out of nowhere invisible blood thing, but goddamn
Both Brock and 21 got enough of a sendoff in S7, in the finale by itself even. The movie covered the essentials as long as they aligned on a storytelling level but cuts had to be made and I'm glad they made a priority to vindicate omissions from the last 2 season (mostly Orpheus) rather than just covering all the bases for a full crowdpleaser by warping the roles of the key characters. Though it's true that the movie doesn't really work as a full "fix" if you've been in withdrawal for 5 years obviously. I'm glad I marathoned the entire thing as a prelude to watching the movie, which left me at a more than acceptable solid 90% of satisfaction.
Personally I don't think the Scare Bear and Jonas things were particularly essential (and adding to the mystery of SB actually works better), but the Movie Night thing was a nasty thread to leave hanging, yeah. There's really no clues there to work with, though considering the often realistic moral tone of the show, simply accepting that the most obvious explanation could be the truth could be acceptable I know I'm rationalizing to cope
What's everyone's reasoning or implication that it isn't blue morpho? It seemed pretty clear cut it was all a subconscious frick you to jonas.
It's mostly a meta thing because of the staging. It would actually be clear cut if he was in fact shown doing it, or implied to ponder doing it to begin with, or if he didn't vehemently deny having done it years later in a mind-meeting with Jonas where the latter comfortably slips into his original role of manipulator in their relationship. As presented in the episode, the scene at the very least implies the possibility that there were factors or parties involved omitted from the retelling.
Obviously it's very unlikely that Jonas may have done it himself, but a popular theory is that the young Manstrong could have done it if Vendata actually went through with his threat and screened the tape for the Movie Night audience, as he had been proved to act highly unstable when confronted with the truth about people he idolized, specially if the truth involved sex.
Personally I don't think that would have been on the table because A) Manstrong jokes about the whole thing in the first episode he's in (which is out-of-character enough even if it wasn't literally him who did the deed) and B) Doc and Jackson kinda disliked the character so they wouldn't grant him that much relevance to begin with.
Knowing the writers it probably wasn't intentional on anyone's part. Someone on the station fricked up and tripped onto the switch or something.
Another one of Rusty's plastic toys shorted at a shockingly coincidental moment, because why not.
I think a time-traveling Rusty is definitely a possibility.
Good point, but why? Rusty isn't fond of his dad, but I don't think he would go back in time and murder him (and the rest of Gargantua One).
You know, what might work is if Rusty (or somebody else?) went back to Movie Night, tried to stop the accident, and ended up causing it by mistake. Venture Bros seems like the type of show that would operate on a fixed timeline in terms of time travel.
>You know, what might work is if Rusty (or somebody else?) went back to Movie Night, tried to stop the accident, and ended up causing it by mistake.
Yeah, that’s what I had in mind, or some other accident.
I really like the theory that it was Bud Manstrong, who stumbled into the control room after Morpho/Vendata left, saw the sex tape, passed out and accidentally opened the doors.
We know Bud was on the station at the time, we know he passes out during sex, and it retroactively makes his "MY GOD IT'S FULL OF STARS" line in S2 a foreshadowing lore drop on top of being a 2001 reference. It also explains why Bud has such hangups around sex.
Same. It all lines up and I think it's what was originally planned, but we probably wouldn't get it anyway since Doc and Jackson don't like writing Bud.
The show tends to love leaving things up in the air (not seeing a body when someone is implied to have died, etc) so they can come back and pull a big twist that either nobody expected, or wasn't as easily to piece together as others. The ORB scene was a popular one, since the original scene made it seems like Sandow crushed Colonel Venture's head, but then we see he merely busted the device because of his loyalty for his boss
I'm the opposite, i have to know about scarebear but also idg everyone saying movie night wasn't explained? wasn't it explained in detail? i rewatched the season last month and i didn't have any questions.
>i have to know about scarebear
But it's funny if we don't. The gag is how he's a character that just shows up at random, operates outside the arching dynamics nonsense while being actually unsettling and threatening, and apparently knows who is fricking whom and where at any given point.
Who was the culprit, then?
vendata
He denies it.
Most murderers do, man.
Why is my thread deleted i havent gotten to read it
I suddenly can't find the movie on Blu-Ray or DVD. Did it go out of print already? Is there a strike going on at the printing place?
The good news is it sold like hotcakes in a den of rabid dogs the bad news is that was the last hotcake ever made and all we have left are whistful hotcake like memories. Hotcakes.
Is the BD region-free? The season sets were up to S6, but sadly they capped the S7 release to Region 1.
>Is the BD region-free?
I live in Europe and it works fine for me, and I'm pretty sure the company I bought it from (through amazon) imported it from the US. Region lock frickery was my biggest fear as well while I was waiting for it to arrive.
Neat, thanks
How common are region locks nowadays, anyway? I found out through your post that Season 7 is region locked. Real shame because I planned on buying all of those season DVDs/Blurays someday, but apparently one of them will be off limits when it comes to actually using it.
So the artbook is worth a gorillion dollars now. Do people actually buy these jacked-up listings, though, or do they just float on forever with no takers? I have no intentions of selling my book, but in the event of a financial emergency, can I rely on getting several hundred out of it?
it's restocked at amazon at least. shoutout to all the poor dumb bastards who dropped like $50 on ebay for it.
I'm not seeing it up on Amazon.
Just went to the Amazon.com page directly and it's only available from Amazon partners that won't ship outside America.
Personally I'm just glad my boy AJ got kind of a happy ending.
Movie felt like Season 8A with Season 8B revolving all the shit with Jonas
>people don't think rusty will be at the same level as the monarch now that Ventech seems done
>Rusty has the voltron that JJ used to completely btfo the monarchs full on crew
He'll probably scrap it to try and build 'Rusty Land' on the compound
Monarch is under some special arching shit now. They're mostly the same guy. The Guild honors real arches, everything else is just makework for weirdos.
You know what season 7 character they didn't show enough of? Night Dick
I thought he was going to be more important (along with the other NY heroes), but he just showed up to say his name and left.
Also we should make a compilation of ALL the things that the creators said were going to happen on season 8.
I feel like the New York heroes were one of the things they set up as a potential plot thread and then decided not to use because they had better stuff.
I want to do a porn comic based around Venture Bros.
Give me female super heroines to include as part of an Harem (their gimmick don't need to be necessarily lewd, fun puns and concepts are welcomed).
Give me:
>Name
>Costume
>Personality
Feel free to give me male heroes too, to show up (but ot be part of the harem).
I got a female hero for you to draw.
It's called porn addiction. Seek help.
>Will never know what this scene was supposed to lead up to
I just assume it was another Dr. Venture and Billy adventure we were supposed to see at some point.
There was definitely gonna be a time travel plot at some point. Probably a bit further along than season 8, because it seems like the near future Rusty is on at least semi-friendly terms with Malcolm.
>Will never know what this scene was supposed to lead up to
I mean, we'll never see Escape to the House of Mummies Part I, either, but I don't think we were ever meant to.
Correct, we weren't. If you get a chance to listen to the audio commentary, Jackson kinda regrets doing it, as the joke flew over a lot of watchers heads who thought they missed a previous episode.
Heh, I should have structured that sentence more precisely.
That is to say, I KNOW we were never meant to see Escape to the House of Mummies Part I and, just like that, I don't believe we were never meant to see Rusty and Billy's time travel escapades.
But, either way, you're right.
Now, don't move; I need to calibrate this thing.
I don't think this is the same thing, the time travel thing was Rusty in the future and it seemed to be deliberately showing where he would be later on.
You're entitled to have your theory.
In my opinion, though, they were just in that scene so that Doc could address The Monarch as Malcolm, and so The Creep would be distracted by their arrival.
I like how Rusty is often portrayed as an out of touch halfwit who can't run a business to save his life, but at the same time, he can pilot a giant robot he's never used before and keep a building from turning into an colony drop. They should jist let him live out his dream of being a cowboy and turn the compound into a ranch.
It's boy-genius adventuring stuff. You don't really grow out of it. You pilot 1 robot, you've piloted them all.
Rusty doesn't deserve to have his dreams succeed, that's the other-verse Rusty that gets to enjoy that.
It's one of the touches of realism I really appreciate from this show, just because Rusty or Professor Impossible are super geniuses doesn't mean they know literally everything in science.
Like how Rusty tried dabbling in pheromones and mutated those assassins or how Impossible had no idea how to fix the wifi in his building
Imagine if the Triad got a spinoff
that'd be cool. all the best moments in the show usually have them in it
They deserved it for giving sergeant hatred breasts and sodomising Samson. I wish I never put up with gay blondy hag.
METALOCALYPSE!!!!! Yeaaaaahhh.
Why was Harangutan Level 10?
He seemed strong, but level 10?
Battlewagon, Battle-axe, big earner for the guild. I'm also not sure if everyone Wide Wale was subletting to was a 10. I mean Redusa was still a 10 on paper.
>I'm also not sure if everyone Wide Wale was subletting to was a 10.
They weren't, I thought that was the point. They were has-beens and wannabes that were paying WW for a high level arch to get their names back in the limelight. Plus Red Death who was a sportsman and only did one special arch a year.
I think Think Tank being so desperate for a chance to match wits with a fellow intellectual and running headlong into the reality of Rusty Venture might be the most bad I felt for any minor villain in the show.
Y'know, then, not when he got put in a coma later in the same episode
What does the S. in Rusty's full name stand for, anyway?
On Brazil they call him...uhh Sokka
Its not writen like this but its how it sounds like
IT’S THE POLICE
At least I got some official merch, and I can re-watch the series on DVD anytime. But I am glad when stories get to end. Usually a studio exec fires the talent and says frick you and milks the IP for pennies worth of profit for the next decade.
I don't understand the appeal of Venture Bros. Can someone explain it to me? I made it to like Season 5, and it just seems like another cartoon to me.
Lore, and callbacks, and homage.
it's funny but like smart funny
it's still a mostly good show but imagine you watched it in it's first run in the early 00s, it was pretty ahead of its time
I was thinking that as I watched the movie, oddly enough. There were a couple moments that were undeniably 'Venture Bros' but felt that now you'd get them in other places in a way you wouldn't get even 10 years ago, let alone 20
It's still ahead of its time even now by virtue of never shitting the bed unlike other lore shows.
This. One just had to glance at Rick & Morty to see an example of a lore show that not only shits the bed, but rolls around in it, tells you it's rolling around in the shit-covered bed, and then proceeds to repeatedly say it is doing that over and over because the writers don't think anybody is paying attention.
>over and over because the writers don't think anybody is paying attention
I wasn't insulted at first but the more I think about it through the years and how the show has just absolutely shit itself since Season 3 I've gotten to the point where I am immensely insulted at that. It's one thing to frick up your lore. It's an entirely other thing to frick it up, and then explicitly tell your audience who does care you did it on purpose and don't give a frick about what they think.
I'm not going to condone what Roiland did because I won't deny he was a fricking menace to have in a workplace. But it's so flagrantly clear he had a significant role in what made the show funny before they quarantined him to the voice acting closet. And I don't think I could ask for a better narrative that these fricking writers ruined a good thing and now the secret sauce is gone and there's basically zero hope of it coming back. The clarity is refreshing. Just as much as the clarity of Venture Bros competence and consistency is always fresh.
>I don't understand the appeal of Venture Bros. Can someone explain it to me?
All kinds of reasons but, as early as the pilot, I liked the occasionally very dark comedy.
>Dr. Venture: "Oh, gentlemen, be careful not to get too close to the X-1's engines.
>Guards look into the glowing green engines, which are visibly distorting the air around them.
>Dr Venture, giving them a grave look over his glasses says in a sepulchral tone: "Cancerrrrr."
For me, personally, it just knocks it out of the park in every aspect.
>adult cartoon that doesn't look like a horrible low-effort family guy clone (this was back when most of them were still visually distinct) and actually starts looking better as time goes on
>actually funny writing by two goofy nerds who actually understand how to do strong pop-culture references and meta/self-aware comedy
>excellent voice performance by everyone involved, including the two creators who aren't even professionally trained voice actors afaik
>good overarching plot with compelling characters, most of whom grow more interesting as the series goes on (21, the monarch, the venture bros themselves, etc)
>top tier soundtrack, including the licensed songs
>entire show is oozing with passionate love letters to every piece of media the creators like
That last one especially just does it for me. Especially these days, an age where too many adult cartoons are just made by hack D-list celebrities who don't give a shit about their work or animation as a medium, you really start to appreciate creators with actual passion who also get the opportunity to explore that passion. The fact that these dudes were allowed to do this for over 20 years with their infamous production schedule is a nigh-unparalleled miracle.
TL;DR it's just good. It's not 100% perfect, but it really is one of the better things out there when it comes to US adult animation.
Is Rusty just an altered clone of Jonas Sr, created to inevitably become a new body for Jonas once his started failing of fatigue/old age? Is Doctor Qyim really Rusty's half sister?
We don't know the specifics of Rusty. Maybe he was always a normal kid, maybe he was some kind of experiment of Jonas. It's really anybody's guess given how much of an butthole Jonas Sr. wound up being. As for Qyim, it's pretty cut and dry about her father being Jonas, which means she and Rusty are related even if it's more complicated than what we presently know.
>it's pretty cut and dry about her father being Jonas
How so?
The red hair, and Jonas did "get around" a lot, namely with her mother, Mz. Qyumn
it isn't
wrong color of red, her hair doesn't match rusty Jonas or malcolm. Plus col gentlemen was very pissed off rusty didn't bang his stepdaughter. if he knew his beards kid was jonas's bastard I don't think the old queen would be so irate over not having a webbed toe version of the twins floating around.
It's always possible Horace never quite figured it out, since it did seem like Jonas kept his relationship with Mz. Qyumn a secret. Though it's always possible he didn't care and loved Tara as his own since at least he's not as callous as Jonas to just abandon a child. And it's not so much he was upset that Rusty couldn't seal the deal, he thought Rusty had toyed with Tara and manipulated her, not remotely aware of the circumstances that completely ruined Rusty nearly getting some action after 20 years
There's no definite clue as to whether Rusty is a clone of an original "legit" Rusty or was test-tubed like Hank and Dean. And neither is there anything that confirms or denies that Jonas may be DQ's father, though her design obviously intended to at least establish the possibility.
"Maybe but maybe not lol" is the foundation of Venture Bros. writing after all.
According to Helper 2, Jonas was "compelled by love and guilt" when he created Rusty.
Who were was part of the watch party when the Locke dropped? Over 30 anons were there
I hate that nobody joined into the “go team venture” countdown after the movie ended
I thought people would actually want to, but I think it was a mix of people being tired(it was 2 AM)and people just wanting out of the temporary Discord. If you were one of the anons who did join in, thank you.
I indeed was one of the like 3 who joined in
The worst part about this movie was the fact that Hank and Rusty do not interact. After Hank opened up to him at the hospital I expected something to eventually happen, but it never ever came
To be fair, they had plenty of time during season 7, since Rusty fricks himself up after the 3-parter premiere, and yet nothing came of it beyond Hank at least understanding that his dad does really care about him, even if he goes about in the most shitacular manner
How do you guys feel about the Moppets? Personally they're some of my least favorite characters, I felt pretty much indifferent when they died. Only time I enjoyed their presence on-screen is when the Monarch immediately threatened to murder them for trying to order him around.
I think the moppets were a decent idea to add more for Shelia to work with as a character and an attempt to give her independence from the monarch and phantom limb, but it didn’t work out. And as she got better independence, they over stayed their welcome. Which is why they were killed off
They lead to some good character development to 21, and some fun gags with other characters (not from them, but of people reacting to them). So they sort of have their role. Good thing that 21 fricked them up.
They were fun, but definitely could have had more going for them than just being kill-crazy all the time
Its never occurred to me before but yeah, they’re two of the only regularly appearing characters who never really evolved from their initial gag.
Can only wonder what else could have been done with them. Before they were revealed as Guild operatives, I could have maybe seen them being the OSI's Watch and Ward; basically the straight laces to Watch and Ward's more goofball duo
they weren't in it enough for me to care. hatred was the one i didn't like because him replacing brock sucked and i get that that was the point of his character but towards the end it really felt like they had no idea what to do with him.
Hatred was better before season 6. I thought they used him well in seasons 3 and 4, but after that he over stayed his welcome
never liked the moppets but I gotta admit this was a great scene
Thinking back, the revelation of the boy's 'mother' means everything about Myra makes total sense. She was in love with Doc and his only female (if not only human) companion at this point. Given her fragile mental state, when he creates kids in a test tube that he's the father of, of course she's going to see herself as their mother. And on Doc's side, of course this will be the point that his desperation for female companionship (read: sex) is overridden by how much someone he sees as an employee is now inserting herself into his personal life, which is why we see Brock taking over shortly after the boys are born.
"Oh, and better make sure the next bodyguard you send is male. It appears that women just can't resist the old Rusty Venture charm, me-ow."
Which is kind of funny given pilot and early season 1 Rusty had some pretty homoerotic tendencies to him before they dropped that concept
I guess despite the government hearings and the protestors, he actually did find the cure for homosexuality
hey now, don't let the show get in the way of that homosexuals headcanon.
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Some of Rusty's dialogue in the pilot and the first episode make him come off like he's flirting with Brock, which was likely a jab at the assumed gay relationship between Benton Quest and Race Bannon. Obviously, the creators decided it wasn't that fun of a premise and abandoned it, along with Rusty's obliviousness
And the concept that Rusty was a super genius.
I think the thing I liked the most in the pilot that was lost was Monarch saying venture was his first stop in his “war on everything.” I liked the idea that monarch felt personally slighted by everyone instead of just obsessed with venture
Rusty still is something of a genius, he's just not as inspired as his father or brother were, out of a few moments of brilliance. As for the Monarch, I can kind of get that they probably weren't sure how to work with his hatred of everything without possibly becoming a generic nihilistic villain who just wants to destroy everything
So why was the show cancelled, was a reason ever given?
>expensive
>long production cycles
>was never particularly successful or commercial
>never had mainstream success
The fact that it lasted as long as it did was a miracle tbh
It was running for so long because Mike Lazzo liked it. God bless him for that
Executives expect animation to be cheap comedies, and this was a comedy but it wasn't cheap.
Good!
>BECAUSE TODAY I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT PERSONAL HYGIENE
>Debbie(‘s eggs) gave Rusty twin sons.
>tfw Sheila could likely give Malcom twin sons of their own if they tried
'The Fitzcarraldo Bros' just doesn't have the same ring to it
the monarch men does though.
>Dr. Girlfriend giving birth confirms that's she's a real woman, a running gag is that there's a split in the reaction among all the characters were in a betting pool as to wether she was a natural chick or not. Helper gets the higgest payout because he was betting on twin boys.
Oddly cute
Speaking of Helper, Malcolm should be able to understand him
They're pretty inconsistent with who can and cannot understand Helper.
>Dermott can supposedly because he's Venture blood
>Monarch cannot
>Brock can supposedly because he's the Venture's bodyguard
>Hatred is never shown being able to understand Helper
Aside from Brock, it does seem like being a Venture gives one the ability to understand, at least after a while, since Dermott didn't understand until season 5
I honestly think the best explanation is that it's just based on whether or not Helper himself wants to be understood, explains why Sheila is briefly able to understand him after the Monarch waterboarded him in the season 3 finale
God, I wonder how many people thought Sheila was a Venture bastard child because of that
>dont have a blu-ray player
>can never watch this
rip
The movie + commentary is online now if you know where to look. Hell you can even watch it on streaming sites if you can't even be assed to pay for it digitally
Noooo something finished instead of being dragged out forever noooo
Needed another season to properly end things tbh
So two things:
> Vendatta never confirm that he did the Movie Night Massacre...
>We still dont know what the Orb do...
the orb was broken
it doesn't do anything now
Red Mantle hide him and no other caracter know this.
Dermott (and the OSI by extension) is in possession of the Orb, it's shown in the movie when he casually picks it out of a pile of garbage in his room and throws it on the floor.
Thanks!
WHAT THE FRICK
HOW DID I MISS THIS
I EVEN WENT BACK TO WATCH THIS SCENE WHEN THEY SHOWED OFF THE ARTIFICIAL WOMB IN THE POST-CREDITS STINGER.
The hilarious thing is that, in addition to all of the high tech shit that he could make a buck off of, he also has the frickin' clown lamp from Hank and Dean's room.
As well as the prototype Triad figurines, I believe
Surprised it didn't seem to suffer much damage, especially when Mr. Reachy got fricking roasted
>We still dont know what the Orb do...
Yes we do, it does fricking nothing. Sandow broke it before his Venture could use it. It's quite literally just a fancy paperweight now
Vendata/Blue Morpho didn't pull the switch, not a chance.
My money is on it being an accident. Another "slipped on Rusty's toys" moment
Is Dr. Quym a clone too or is she a true blood Venture?
the real venture bros were the friends we made along the way
i like how rusty donated blood to the monarch to keep him alive, rusty a good boy
by the way i havent seen anyome mention this but the monarchs new kidney came from a rusty clone meaning there are still some around
Wait, you guys don't understand HELPER?
Is it because of his german accent?
>there will come a point where the post-movie discussion will die down entirely and we'll never have a good, full VB thread again
I'm not ready for this.
>everything goes back to status quo even though the compound burnt down
I liked the tower better. It was a nice change of pace, and seeing doc actually start becoming successful only to get screwed by loot in the movie was frustrating.
>seeing doc actually start becoming successful
When? He fricked up every single step of the way. His first move when he showed up at Ventech was firing everyone and hiring his eternal frickup friends. Between investors jumping ship, Hank's impulsive spending and Dean's school funds, he was bleeding money, and the one time he, Billy and White DID develop something worthwhile, it was intercepted by the OSI and stolen by the Guild. Then the movie arrives and the first new product they actually put on the market is a Helper-shaped Alexa that they had to severely overprice in order to make any money back.
The saving grace is that they could repackage and sell them for a new purpose now, but that would be the new Ventech company's first actual success. Rusty just isn't capable of running shit like this, and he even says that he was far happier living in the middle of bumfrick nowhere just making weird shit all day instead of carrying a top tier tech company on his back. An actual good move for him would've been to immediately sell the company and retire to Spanakopita, but his pride and desire to be at the top of the super science world never would have allowed him to do that.
I'm liking the idea of him maybe being put under OSI supervision as a kind of "frick up improver"; him, White, and Billy take shit and iron out the kinks or find out what's worth reevaluating and what's better off being scrapped.
It would give Rusty something of a job, let him frick around with high tech stuff again, and could easily allow for anything to happen because one day he might be trying to iron out the kinks in an experimental attack chopper, then he's tasked with finding out why a nuclear-powered toaster is sending people into the phantom zone when they set it to "lightly toasted"
It's over folks
Go Team Venture
i guess it's equally fricked up and fitting that dean and hank are clones of doc himself
I thought it was Rusty, Malcolm, & Jonas Jr were all imperfect clones of Jonas Sr, with Hank & Dean being test tube babies grown in that artificial womb using Debbie's egg & Rusty's sperm, and then all their clones are perfect clones of themselves.
you're right,
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