The first one and Thief are two of the most overrated films ever on this board. Heat is easily an hour too long, no one cares about Natalie Portman crying in a bathtub and the only good things about Thief are the cinematography and the music.
>B-plots are important homosexual
The entire Natalie Portman subplot could have been cut. Its only use was bringing Pacino back with his wife, but then he instantly leaves her again anyway. We didn't exactly need another scene showing that he cares more about his work than anything else cause it was well established already.
Guarantee every scene with Herschlag could have been cut with zero repercussions.
every scene in thief is great especially the dinner scene and ending scene. it's such a unique film that influenced every crime drama that came after it, but maybe that's why zoomers like you don't like it, you lack the historical perspective to understand how different it actually was. it's still good without that perspective, but maybe you need a little help
>The film opens with Waingro serving as a U.S. Marine. Initially portrayed as disciplined and dedicated, the story gradually unveils the psychological impact of his experiences in Iraq. Waingro is involved in a series of controversial operations, some of which lead to severe war crimes, testing his moral compass and slowly unraveling his sense of right and wrong. The military's failure to adequately address these issues contributes to Waingro's growing disillusionment and detachment from societal norms.
>Returning to Los Angeles, Waingro struggles with reintegration into civilian life. His wartime experiences have left him with deep psychological scars, manifesting in unpredictable and violent behavior. He finds solace in the adrenaline of criminal undertakings, initially joining a group of ex-military operatives turned mercenaries.
>Waingro's military skills and strategic thinking quickly make him an asset, but his propensity for violence and disregard for human life create tension within the group. The film explores the dynamics of this crew, highlighting the varying ways each member copes with their past and the lines they are willing or unwilling to cross.
>The climax of the film sees Waingro orchestrating a high-stakes robbery that embodies his tactical prowess but also his moral decay, as he commits acts that mirror his war crimes. The heist ends in chaos, reinforcing Waingro's belief in his own invincibility and lack of accountability. This event marks the final pivot point in his transformation into the cold, merciless villain encountered in "Heat."
>"Get It On" not only delves into the backstory of a complex antagonist but also raises poignant questions about the psychological impact of war, the challenges of reintegration for veterans, and the thin line between heroism and villainy. The film sets the stage for Waingro's future, bridging his troubled past with the events that lead him to cross paths with Neil McCauley's crew.
The first one and Thief are two of the most overrated films ever on this board. Heat is easily an hour too long, no one cares about Natalie Portman crying in a bathtub and the only good things about Thief are the cinematography and the music.
>Heat >Thief >overrated
filtered
the book is good but it'll be hard to find worthy replacements for DeNiro and Pacino
I could see Adam Driver as Neil
The real question is how will it all fit in? The many different plots are to sprawling but you cant cut any of them because then the rest fall apart.
Everything that happens with him has frick all to do with Hanna, McCauley and the killer. It is purely a vehicle for Mann to indulge in yellow fever. He'll show up in the Mexico scenes anyway.
Hannas 2000 story is entirely related to the 1980s home invasion case being reopened
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's the backbone of the story, it's important. Chris dating the Taiwanese chick is so far a tangent off of that I don't see how it could work in a movie. A series would be fine because people can deal with tangents relegated to their own episodes, but Mann seems to want to make a movie.
5 months ago
Anonymous
it is what he does after escaping
the post 1995 story follows the two survivors
>old man tries to rethread an old idea
It almost never works. Even the Irishman, heavily banking on mobster film nostalgia, couldn't overcome the past.
Generally speak, the films are mediocre because the filmmakers are no longer questions or challenged.
Mann took his movie Thief and perfected that style for Heat. Both are crime genre masterpieces. Trying to revive those achievements for a shitty 2020s sequel is a massive mistake.
>heat 2
what a stupid fricking idea.
It's mostly a prequel that also shows what happens to Val Kilmer's character. Still not very good but not terrible
The first one and Thief are two of the most overrated films ever on this board. Heat is easily an hour too long, no one cares about Natalie Portman crying in a bathtub and the only good things about Thief are the cinematography and the music.
>Thief
I only cared about the scenes with James Caan. The carried the whole thing.
> no one cares about Natalie Portman crying in a bathtub
B-plots are important homosexual
>the only good things about Thief are the cinematography and the music.
Yes
>B-plots are important homosexual
The entire Natalie Portman subplot could have been cut. Its only use was bringing Pacino back with his wife, but then he instantly leaves her again anyway. We didn't exactly need another scene showing that he cares more about his work than anything else cause it was well established already.
Guarantee every scene with Herschlag could have been cut with zero repercussions.
That part turned Hanna from a one dimensional cop who is basically batman into a person who could actually cause damage with his obsessions.
Never realized this but it’s true. Bravo Mann (and e-girl natalie)
KYS
every scene in thief is great especially the dinner scene and ending scene. it's such a unique film that influenced every crime drama that came after it, but maybe that's why zoomers like you don't like it, you lack the historical perspective to understand how different it actually was. it's still good without that perspective, but maybe you need a little help
Thief is kino, arguably one of the greatest movies ever made. You're not cool for dismissing it. You're a pseud.
the book is good but it'll be hard to find worthy replacements for DeNiro and Pacino
Leo and Joaquin
After Wonka it's clearly going to be Chalamay. He hinted at an August shoot. You people brought this on yourselves.
Pacino is a short guy so he fits for Vincent Hanna
Just way too young
driver vs timmy
this will be the worst sequel ever
the film isn't a rematch between Neil and Vincent, they never meet
Heat 2: Hot and Heavy
tfw no Heat cinematic universe
>Heat
>ReHeated
>H3at
>Deep Heat
>Heat (2016)
>Making A Move: A Heat Story
post of the year anon
I reckon a third film would have come out in 2000 and so it would be called Heat: 2000 degrees
Then the forth would be called He4t
>Get It On: Rise of Waingro
>The film opens with Waingro serving as a U.S. Marine. Initially portrayed as disciplined and dedicated, the story gradually unveils the psychological impact of his experiences in Iraq. Waingro is involved in a series of controversial operations, some of which lead to severe war crimes, testing his moral compass and slowly unraveling his sense of right and wrong. The military's failure to adequately address these issues contributes to Waingro's growing disillusionment and detachment from societal norms.
>Returning to Los Angeles, Waingro struggles with reintegration into civilian life. His wartime experiences have left him with deep psychological scars, manifesting in unpredictable and violent behavior. He finds solace in the adrenaline of criminal undertakings, initially joining a group of ex-military operatives turned mercenaries.
>Waingro's military skills and strategic thinking quickly make him an asset, but his propensity for violence and disregard for human life create tension within the group. The film explores the dynamics of this crew, highlighting the varying ways each member copes with their past and the lines they are willing or unwilling to cross.
>The climax of the film sees Waingro orchestrating a high-stakes robbery that embodies his tactical prowess but also his moral decay, as he commits acts that mirror his war crimes. The heist ends in chaos, reinforcing Waingro's belief in his own invincibility and lack of accountability. This event marks the final pivot point in his transformation into the cold, merciless villain encountered in "Heat."
>"Get It On" not only delves into the backstory of a complex antagonist but also raises poignant questions about the psychological impact of war, the challenges of reintegration for veterans, and the thin line between heroism and villainy. The film sets the stage for Waingro's future, bridging his troubled past with the events that lead him to cross paths with Neil McCauley's crew.
I'd watch it
>the 2019 all female only remake
>Bitchin Heat (2019)
>SHeat
>SHE'S GOT A GREAT ASS HEAT!!!
Followed by
>YOU GOT YOUR HEAD ALL THE WAY UP IT ASS HEAT!!!
Charlene is only briefly in it
>Heat
>Thief
>overrated
filtered
I could see Adam Driver as Neil
The real question is how will it all fit in? The many different plots are to sprawling but you cant cut any of them because then the rest fall apart.
You could just cut Chris out completely and have someone else save them at the end
>cut Chris escaping to South America
that is half of the post-1995 story you moron
thats fricking moronic
Everything that happens with him has frick all to do with Hanna, McCauley and the killer. It is purely a vehicle for Mann to indulge in yellow fever. He'll show up in the Mexico scenes anyway.
there is no story after 1995 if his shit is cut
there is no explanation of why comes back to LA
Hanna still does stuff in 2000.
Hannas 2000 story is entirely related to the 1980s home invasion case being reopened
That's the backbone of the story, it's important. Chris dating the Taiwanese chick is so far a tangent off of that I don't see how it could work in a movie. A series would be fine because people can deal with tangents relegated to their own episodes, but Mann seems to want to make a movie.
it is what he does after escaping
the post 1995 story follows the two survivors
The world was so good before 2000.
>old man tries to rethread an old idea
It almost never works. Even the Irishman, heavily banking on mobster film nostalgia, couldn't overcome the past.
Generally speak, the films are mediocre because the filmmakers are no longer questions or challenged.
Irishman only failed on a technological front. Everything else it accomplished fine.
>cringe
What are some sequels done decades later that werent cringe
>Blade Runner 2049
No where near as good as original, but didn't give me cancer. I enjoyed it.
Actually anon, 2049 was better than the original
I would cover up that opinion in shame as well if it were mine.
star wars (OT to PT obviously), blade runner, top gun, the first new jurassic park thing (fight me)
that's all I got
I refuse to believe it's gonna be trash but how can it even come close to how good Heat was. Gonna be tough for Mann not to frick this one up.
newest interview mentioning it he says he might switch back to filming on 35mm for it
Holy fricking shit the last time Michael Mann made a good movie was 20 years ago lmfao
>Miami Vice was made 18 years ago
frick I’m old
>Filtered by Black Hat, a Mann film specifically designed so he could frick a 34 year old Chinese actress.
Mann took his movie Thief and perfected that style for Heat. Both are crime genre masterpieces. Trying to revive those achievements for a shitty 2020s sequel is a massive mistake.
It will be Kino if Mann casts Sarah Gadon as Charlene.
>193 KB,
fake gadongay