It really is that good. There's not a lot of movies that not only suspend belief but completely shatter the barrier of movie and audience to the point where I actually am capable of shedding tears watching it. Mickey DA and the whole crew really put their all into this one.
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For some reason, the scene of him playing the video games with the kid stuck with me. When the kid got tired of playing that old ass game with him in it.
it was sad because it was actually in a community where an old dude playing video games with a kid wasn't creepy, but that the kid finally was fed up with him being stuck in the past. the entire world was leaving him behind
Sad scene
Great movie. You mighta gotten me to put it on to fall asleep to
🙁
maybe if he let the kid win
Is this the movie where he has a fatal anal prolapse at the end?
>The best you can do is be a used car salesmen.
Thanks...
I remember Bret Hart whining about the movie it reinforcing stereotypes about wrestling and that it also made it seem like "anyone could walk off the street and wrestle" because he trained so much. I think it's pretty easy to argue the movie showed the exact opposite of that
It made me appreciate how much punishment they end up going through, even if it's staged.
Oh yeah man. It's cringe to say but they're real athletes even if they are also performers. Just because it's in service of something silly doesn't diminish the raw physicality involved
Lol what
By that logic stuntmen are 'athletes'
>dancing doesn't require athleticism because its choreographed
stuntmen don't go for 20 minutes straight getting slammed onto their back and then having to jump and flip and lift other dudes to slam them back
>the raw physicality involved
The physicality is only half of it, and not as important as the ability to understand and manipulate crowd psychology. The best wrestlers weren't the most physical, but the ones that could read the crowd and adjust the match as needed to build up the anger or joy of the crowd, as needed.
>even if it's staged.
Gravity is gravity. I don't care how much you rehearse, you're going to make some mistakes from time to time, and dudes get punched, kicked, and make mistakes taking and giving bumps. I've always respected how 250 plus pound dudes could take bumps off the top rope, outside of the ring, and take body slams on the concrete floor of the arenas. Matches may be scripted, but you can't fake gravity.
>you can't fake gravity.
Wire work, counterweights, water tanks, etc, hollywhood has a lot of ways to fake gravity and anti-gravity.
Not when you're not using any of that shit and actually jumping off shit, falling, or getting slammed.
Hollywood features all of that shit.
If you had said not if you are doing it in front of a live audience you may have a point, but then I would just have to invoke Broadway to prove you wrong.
>If you had said
My apologies, I didn't realize I was having a discussion with a moron.
We're done.
Too bad you are the tard since all that stuff you mentioned is trivial to do if you can edit film and was regularly done live in broadway shows like spiderman and at disney theme parks in their live shows.
maybe on planet moron
Probably, but definitely in the real world, there are action oriented live stage shows with wire work and other stunts.
We're clearly talking about a live wrestling show you absolute pedant, the only assistance those guys have is each other and careful training, if you're a 250 pound man jumping off a turnbuckle onto another guy, it's going to hurt
We are talking about wrestling you moronic homosexual, they aren’t using water tanks and wires to lessen impact.
I learned this from all the wrestlers that have died on the ring.
does anybody have any more gifs of wrestlers who went as far as Mickey's character and made the ultimate sacrifice in the ring?
Rey Mysterio famously killed some lucha guy with the 619 in a match. You can find the video out there if you look hard enough. IIRC guy had a bad heart and the bump caused a heart attack, wasn't even Mysterio's fault.
Allegedly you can also find some footage of the infamous Owen Heart death plunge on the dark web. Never seen it personally but I've heard the rumors for years that it's out there.
Disregard, didn't realize the clip has already been posted.
He didn't die but Jerry the King Lawler had a heart attack from a Dolph Ziggler elbow drop you can find on the Internet as well.
Wasn't his death filmed live? Surely someone taped it...
Yes, on PPV no less.
The internet rumor is that the PPV footage is locked up deep inside WWE or possibly destroyed. But allegedly someone had actually taped the PPV when it was airing (or possibly filmed the PPv) and that footage exists somewhere in the bowels of the internet. I have distinct memories of seeing it in the early wild West days of the internet but it's been many years.
What do you remember of it? Was it like when that limey comedian Tommy Cooper had a heart attack and died on live TV and people went with it for a few minutes because he was a goof and everyone thought it was part of the act?
>Grainy shitty footage, looked like a camera filming a TV
>Owen wearing a costume with lots of feathers on it
>He's up in the rafters above the ring and starts to come down on the rope harness thing
>About 1/3rd of the way down the rope snaps
>He plummets to the ring and even before he hits it people are screaming and officials are running to the ring
>You can see his neck hit the top rope and he kind of flips around a awkwardly onto the mat with one arm still kind of I'm the ropes
>Tons of people running towards the ring and camera immediately gets obscured, at a bad angle anyways can't see the full thing that well
>Clip ends
Thats what I remember anyways. This was probably around 2004-5ish? It seemed to have been scrubbed from most of the internet shortly after that.
I'm pretty sure I saw that as a gif in /b/ or /gif/ around 2011, when I started browsing. It definitely exists
it wasn't broadcast and the footage has never been seen despite what that other anon said. from reports of people there everyone knew immediately it wasn't part of the show, Owen free fell from almost the top of the arena and struck the ropes with his chest killing him pretty much instantly
What about the droz match?
I think that happened at a house show
there is video of the second la parka dying during a match, ironically while performing a suicide dive
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2032660/Video-Sickening-moment-wrestler-La-Parka-lands-neck-botched-dive.html
Doesn't look that bad, reminds me of when country mac died.
yeah it's nuts when you see hits that look pretty innocuous ending with people seriously hurt, when over the years you see all sorts of terribly botched moves, especially things like piledrivers/tombstones, that look like they should have crumpled necks but they walk away like it's nothing.
When Brock Lesnar did that fricked up flip and landed on his neck but walked away was pretty amazing. That's a big ass dude to be trying that shit.
yeah, he got just enough rotation that he was landing on his forehead/face and more of his weight wasn't coming straight down on him, very close to being a complete disaster.
Lucky bastard.
That motherfricker's too g'damn big to be doing shit like that. You'd think somebody would have told him no, but I guess it's all about the cash.
he actually didn't want to do it but was convinced by management it should be part of his repertoire due to the spectacle of a man his size doing a shooting star press and it showed of his athleticism, he started doing it in matches for awhile till that happened and then he flat out refused to ever do it again
>flat out refused to ever do it again
Smart move. Hogan pretty much destroyed his hips just from doing that leg drop finish for years, and that's nothing like jumping off the top rope at that size.
One leg drop a day? Lol, poor baby. Do you really believe the fake 'pity me' from a piece of shit like hogan?
being a piece of shit doesn't make him immune to his body breaking down like every other wrestler.
It's the impact it has over time. That's why guys like Dynamite kid ended up crippled at the end of their lives.
it's pretty common move so surprising to see someone die from it, thankfully the original la parka is still alive and as based as ever
The CHAIRman of WCW
also the midget version of la parka (la parkita) was murdered along with his twin brother by a couple of prostitutes in 2009
always makes me laugh.
>There the two women spiked the men's drinks with what was believed to be eye drops mixed with alcohol.[6
Eye drops mixed with alcohol can kill you?
yes, drugs for external use are often toxic if ingested.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-woman-found-guilty-killing-friend-eye-drops/story?id=104887158
I did not know that
I imagine you'd have to drip more than a few drops into whatever drink that was
They were midgets though. How likely is it the hookers just wanted to rob them and didn't adjust the dose for 30lb men?
pretty sure there's footage of misawa getting dropped on his neck and dying out there somewhere
The frick is this?
Rey Mysterio kicking someone to death
K, ty anon.
Did his fricking head come off?
Yeah, there's some fine lines between staged/faked/scripted.
Ultimately, these guys and gals are all athletes and it takes a lot of practice and skill to do what they do without getting seriously injured on the regular. While I don't respect the pro wrestling industry, I do respect the performers which is at the end of the day what they truly are in the ring. Unfortunately it's largely been seen as a sideshow attraction and many have a used their bodies to stay in form and continue to make money.
The movie was ok, I didn't have string feelings about it. The tone reminded me of North Dallas 40 or The longest yard.
Bret is the actual it's still real to me guy
agreed, i just don't understand where he got those ideas about the movie. it's like he didn't even watch it and just said some stock quote about wrestling movies.
The difference is Bret Hart was a headliner, main guy pushed to the top of the card for long enough that he could become rich and retire before it destroyed his body. There are loads of guys just along for the ride that the top guys throw around on touring shows all year who get paid like they work at Arby's and have no health insurance. Maybe a few of them get okay billing for a while, but they don't become institutional talent like Hart or Hogan or The Undertaker. It really is a shit profession for a lot of those guys and the movie demonstrates that Randy seems to have only had that one brief window of fame and that one great match
i enjoyed him showing up completely dreading the deli counter job but gradually realizing it isn't that bad and getting a groove and messing around with the customers. sucks that it turned out the way it did
I'm gonna have to get a regular job like this guy did soon too. I just keep putting it off but shouldn't
sometimes you have to take a gig like that to pay the bills. just take inspiration from The Wrestler and that you can still have a good time with it
He did not have a good time, though, he tried to make the best of it and failed miserable quitting in shame because his boss was always bullying him and he wasn't very good at it.
he was making the best out of it and riffing with customers, which is somewhat like playing up your fans in the ring. he found a way to get through the day. it's when everything else in his life became overwhelming that he wasn't able to smile through the day anymore
>he found a way to get through the day.
No he didn't, he left in the middle of his shift.
we are referring to completely different days, which is why i said
> it's when everything else in his life became overwhelming that he wasn't able to smile through the day anymore
Do you really not understand the other anons point? Or are you just messing with him
I understood the point well enough to refute it.
I don't think you did since you obviously thought it all happened in one shift
Nah, he definitely hated the job and quit in the middle of the work day instead of making it through.
Which was my original point. He found a groove in the job, and even went to the guy organizing the wrestling gig and said he's done. It wasn't until his life completely fell apart again that he went to work and jammed his finger in the meat slicer and walked out. You're wrong
>went to the guy organizing the wrestling gig and said he's done
Which had nothing to do with liking his job and everything to do with hating his life and wanting to make a change.
he found a gig that felt alright and that could financially support himself and health without wrestling. if his relationship with his daughter was ok, and maybe a relationship with Tomei was nice, he could make the deli job work. watch the movie again
Pretty sure you didn't understand
I understand anon was wrong and the point wasn't that he made it through the day, but that he hated the job and left early no matter how much he tried to pretend it wasn't a shitty situation.
He left in the middle of his shift because of the shame of a guy recognizing him and heckling him about it and him slicing his hand open trying to cope from that.
Before that he was somewhat enjoying it.
>t. deli manager at Publix
Whoever did the sound for that scene was KINO, making it subtly like him getting ready to walk into the ring.
alot of that footage was legit, they had him serve real customers and pretend they were shooting stuff for the news or a training video or some shit, no one realised it was Mickey serving them
it's a pretty ugly scene in how relatable it is to anyone who has failed and worked a bum job. you have those days where it's like "yeah, so what i'm serving fries to dickheads, i'm having a good laugh with my mates and i'm feeling pretty good, maybe it's not all so bad", but they are like the bi polar high followed by the absolute plummet where you just want to plunge your head into the deep fat fryer.
The valleys are low and wide, the mountains are high, it's a long hike to the peak and a very fast tumble down to the bottom.
Marisa Tomei. That is all.
she's great in this. maybe still too hot for the role since it didn't seem believable that everyone would keep turning her down for dances
I thought she was ever so slightly too hot for the role
Diamonds.
Do you think he got cast as the antagonist of Iron Man 2 solely because of this movie? I've never watched it but I do remember his sudden boom in popularity for a few years back around 2010
I think that boom started with Sin City, where lots of people were like "Remember Mickey Rourke? He's back! And he looks like shit! But he's back!"
Rourke was cast as a direct result of his role/oscar nomination. He almost didn't do it because he felt they low balled him on salary. The movie wasn't great and he went on to complain that his performance was butchered in the editing room.
After watching Beyond the Mat the daughter stuff is really similar to Jake the Snake. Really sad
I like every one of Aronofsky's movies. I watched half of them as a teenager before I even realized they were by the same guy (Pi, Requiem, The Wrestler, Black Swan). Mind was blown when I realized.
they almost all have the same endings too
Not in Pi though. Sean Gullette doesn't die in this one
you should give it a shot, it's easily Aronofsky's best flick and the least pretentious or idiotic one he ever did (he basically ripped off the script for Black Swan and The Whale lmao). it's dramatic and harsh at times but there are also other more light-hearted scenes that work well because of the chemistry between Marisa Tomei and Mickey Rourke. couldn't stand Evan Rachel Wood as the daughter though
>The Wrestler, Black Swan
Fun fact, these two were originally going to be one movie he split into two
>read nothing but praise about it even 14 years later
>have had a copy of it burned to a DVD a friend gave me back in 2009 in high school
>never watched it
put it on tomorrow after dinner, anon. finally do it
My favorite part about this movie is the fact that people try to trick the iron sheik into thinking that it was about him so that he can try and Sue the production
Would have been better without the interracial dike trash, but even that couldn't hold it back much.
Manlet indie shitter never drew a dime. Many such cases.
kek does this count as reasonable criticism? you moron
What'll you have Cinemaphile?
Be careful. I've gotten banned before for making a thread about this.
Tbf it belongs on Cinemaphile
leonardo dicaprio will have to do this one day, technically once upon in Hollywood was it but wasn't really his movie and more brad's
should really have won the best actor oscar that year, or frank langella for frost/nixon. robbed by internal hollywood politics giving it to sean penn for milk, not that he wasn't good, just didn't deserve to win.
Wrestlers have the egos of actors, are incredibly thin skinned and many of them were pumped up with steroids and cocaine. Most guys earned shit money and were on the road the majority of the year. Imagine putting your trust in these people? You could rub them the wrong way, get dropped on your head and spend your life in a wheelchair. It's actually crazy this doesn't happen more
What's interesting is wrestling lost all its soul round about the time this film came out. Now it's sterile garbage for the wrestling equivalent of Disney adults. I had a lot of hopes for AEW, but it looks too much like WWE now. Which I'm guessing is down to network pressure
big Willy is putting AEW back on the right track bruv
Yeah I definitely take notice when he's on. I had no idea he could talk or that he had charisma. Always assumed he was a marble mouthed mong but he does good work. AEW has the best roster in about 20 years, but Tony needs to get a clue and fire a lot of shitters while he's at it.
alot of contracts are running out soon so he'll clear out alot of people by doing that
>Imagine putting your trust in these people? You could rub them the wrong way, get dropped on your head and spend your life in a wheelchair. It's actually crazy this doesn't happen more
because they're mostly all in the same boat, if guys take personal beefs into the ring and don't protect the people they're working with in the ring, everyone back stage sees it and nobody will want to work with them again.
This. Reputation is everything behind the scenes in wrestling and workers who are dangerous or known for being dickheads in the ring, quickly get blackballed. Even if a promoter wants to book them the other workers will refuse to work with them even if it means a pay cut.
Carnies are generally pretty scummy and do all kinds of questionably legal shit, but they do have a code and harsh penalties for breaking that code.
I'm a late millennial so I'm not really familiar with his athletic career, but couldn't believe seeing Rourke in Angel Heart for the first time. He looked like a normal guy. Now he's taken the call!