Imagine single handidly putting 10,000 nips into the sea while dooming another 500 pilots to bale into shark infested waters with 0% chance of survival
Don't you mean this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Over_the_Pacific
I think I have this movie but I've never seen it. I see the crew behind it is excellent.
The pacific war was peak kino in general
Evenly matched forces-I think the japs had like 5 more destroyers post pearl harbor but that's negligible, early enough in radar and naval aviation tech to keep things interesting, high stakes, bloodthirsty with no homosexual European moralizing, ends in total victory instead of fizzling out over years or some war of attrition crap
Recommend the best naval pacific kino
>no homosexual European moralizing
It's different when you're fighting another race. Against the japs it was totally unrestricted, savage, primal, caveman-tier violence. Every rule of civilised warfare broken in the opening stages. Anything goes.
Hell, the Americans had problems where they'd send in men to be cannon fodder, then follow up with amphibious vehicles but the drivers refused to drive over the injured men to advance. Early pacific was nuts even for the American side against itself, let alone what Jap vs White Devil fighting
Read Neptune’s Inferno >before USA was guaranteed to win >constant naval night fights where Japs have the advantage >US has radar but doesnt trust it >marines fighting for survival on pay lay loo >incompetence on both sides totally fricks things constantly
Best ww2 book ive read this year
only thing I remember from watching this in the theater was my painful need to pee, but for some reason I didn't go out and just sat there unable to concentrate for most of the movie.
won what? it would disable american intervention in the pacific theatre, but they could never take over america or establish a beachhead of any kind. it would let them stablize, but they couldnt defeat russia on western front and couldnt do much to australia, etc either. germany would still lose and then everyone would turn on japan. nuke would still come and theyd all burn.
He's clearly asking if they would have been able to achieve their war goals (America fricks off from the area, stops supplying China with money training arms equipment, recognizes their conquered territory, no more blockades/sanctions, etc)
America's industrial capacity was magnitudes more than Japan; hell, it was magnitudes more than all of Asia. They would have built more carriers and been on the offense in a year's time.
? Japan had no intention of invading America or "take over", they just needed to buy some more time in order to secure their oil interests, and then negotiate with the US at a later time.
>If Japan sank all of US carriers during Pear Harbor, would they have won? (Yes I know the carriers wernt there).
At that point the Japs probably attack the USSR. Absolutely no way to know what happens next. Very possible the Japs and Germans win the war.
it would've saved a lot of american lives because it would delay when america could do anything in the pacific and by the time they'd be ready to make an offensive the nuke would've been created
midway was really horrifically ugly, like bad filters, weird CG, just odd choices all around
and any movie that tries fails to surpass this, so really they should stop fricking having pearl harbour scenes in them
one of the three rewatchable movies form the past 5 years.
I've tried to watch it but the first attack scene was too cheesy.
Imagine single handidly putting 10,000 nips into the sea while dooming another 500 pilots to bale into shark infested waters with 0% chance of survival
its a wonderful feeling. shame no iphone to film it back then.
I can't believe Emmerich made something that's now awful. I mean it's still like 6/10 maybe but for his standards it's excellent.
>I can't believe Emmerich made something that's now awful.
>now
He's been awful for decades.
Oh it was supposed to be "not awful" I didn't even notice.
There's a 1970s midway from Japan
Don't you mean this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Over_the_Pacific
I think I have this movie but I've never seen it. I see the crew behind it is excellent.
The pacific war was peak kino in general
Evenly matched forces-I think the japs had like 5 more destroyers post pearl harbor but that's negligible, early enough in radar and naval aviation tech to keep things interesting, high stakes, bloodthirsty with no homosexual European moralizing, ends in total victory instead of fizzling out over years or some war of attrition crap
Recommend the best naval pacific kino
>no homosexual European moralizing
It's different when you're fighting another race. Against the japs it was totally unrestricted, savage, primal, caveman-tier violence. Every rule of civilised warfare broken in the opening stages. Anything goes.
Hell, the Americans had problems where they'd send in men to be cannon fodder, then follow up with amphibious vehicles but the drivers refused to drive over the injured men to advance. Early pacific was nuts even for the American side against itself, let alone what Jap vs White Devil fighting
Read Neptune’s Inferno
>before USA was guaranteed to win
>constant naval night fights where Japs have the advantage
>US has radar but doesnt trust it
>marines fighting for survival on pay lay loo
>incompetence on both sides totally fricks things constantly
Best ww2 book ive read this year
>Evenly matched forces
lol, compare the countries
only thing I remember from watching this in the theater was my painful need to pee, but for some reason I didn't go out and just sat there unable to concentrate for most of the movie.
Reminder that America is now Imperial Japan and China is now the awakening giant.
this was such a mess. badly needed a better editor
I fricking love this movie. Dick Betts is an absolute badass.
Do you mean Dick Best?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Halsey_Best
My dad loves this movie. When we finished watching it he clapped me on the back and said “we sure showed those fricking chinks”
>My dad
He's never coming back Jamal
what a coincidence, i was walking on top of the USS Midway a couple of days ago
impressive piece of engineering that was
The bay movie was better
If Japan sank all of US carriers during Pear Harbor, would they have won? (Yes I know the carriers wernt there).
won what? it would disable american intervention in the pacific theatre, but they could never take over america or establish a beachhead of any kind. it would let them stablize, but they couldnt defeat russia on western front and couldnt do much to australia, etc either. germany would still lose and then everyone would turn on japan. nuke would still come and theyd all burn.
He's clearly asking if they would have been able to achieve their war goals (America fricks off from the area, stops supplying China with money training arms equipment, recognizes their conquered territory, no more blockades/sanctions, etc)
America's industrial capacity was magnitudes more than Japan; hell, it was magnitudes more than all of Asia. They would have built more carriers and been on the offense in a year's time.
? Japan had no intention of invading America or "take over", they just needed to buy some more time in order to secure their oil interests, and then negotiate with the US at a later time.
Most of the American fleet was in the Atlantic
This is not true.
Pacific Fleet in 1941
>9 Battleships
>3 carriers
>2 cruiser divisions
>6 destroyer squadrons
Atlantic Fleet
>8 Battleships
>5 carriers
>3 cruiser divisions
>8 destroyer squadrons
>If Japan sank all of US carriers during Pear Harbor, would they have won? (Yes I know the carriers wernt there).
At that point the Japs probably attack the USSR. Absolutely no way to know what happens next. Very possible the Japs and Germans win the war.
it would've saved a lot of american lives because it would delay when america could do anything in the pacific and by the time they'd be ready to make an offensive the nuke would've been created
The best Midway movie is the 1976 movie with Charleton Heston.
For me, it’s Battle of Okinawa
It's very cliche but is genuinely good.
midway was really horrifically ugly, like bad filters, weird CG, just odd choices all around
and any movie that tries fails to surpass this, so really they should stop fricking having pearl harbour scenes in them