If there is a niche to be filled it would attract a userbase. So what if there exist a 1000 inactive boards along with the popular ones? Could be fun exploring these obscure ones every now and then.
Normies ruin everything, like bang-wagon jumping fad locusts onto whatever new entertainment of dopamine drip they can get, and leave it a husk, change my mind.
Holy shit this is genius lmao. I definitely would love a channel where I can shit on all these homosexual doomtubers floating about >Black person ARIEL!!! SAY IT AINT SO!!! you loser b***h who actually pays to go see it just to upload an hour long vid b***hing harder
people have been asking for /incel/ for years but mods still won't make it, each passing year the e-celeb homosexualry gets worse and worse, there seriously needs to be a containment board for it already
You'd only invite that sort of garbage into the site. It already sucks currently. Now imagine if the sort of people who are interested in talking about YouTubers and E-celebs were invited to talk about that here. And then, one day, those individuals decide to spill onto different boards.
Absolute moronic post. Underaged Cinemaphile homosexuals are the ones shitting Cinemaphile and other boards like Cinemaphile. They constantly make off-topic anime threads on their own board simply because they'll get shitted out of Cinemaphile, and mods on Cinemaphile are moronic and won't take those garbage threads down. Cinemaphile Black folk will also come to Cinemaphile and make abhorrent threads related to the MCU and DC's movies in order to bait morons.
This argument will never work because the type of people that you don't want here are already here and are already making threads to talk about this stupid shit
Bite the bullet and stop acting like there's a chance to win this fight because we and no one else is getting Cinemaphile levels of mod dedication so just make the board already
Normally I'd agree, but we already have enough gays on this site that love to do nothing but gossip and stalk other people. It's bad enough on here even. Parasocial Black folk and dramagays do not need any sort of validation. >But /vt/
Yes, and that was a massive mistake too.
We need to jettison all Cinemaphileshit from Cinemaphile. I'm stick of MCU threads and movie actor drama and tv show bullshit. That shit isn't Cinemaphile.
Agreed. I can't stand these "commentator" videos, like that drinker dude, nerdrotic(?) and some other minor ones that show up from time to time. And I "agree" with them most of the time, but their personalities are insufferable.
Critical Drinker was an okay watch until I actually saw one of his videos about a film I had seen myself recently, and I realized he was actually just either straight-up lying about shit so he would have something to complain about, or was a genuine moron. He really just has an agenda against anything he sees as woke media, and while I can respect takedowns of actual cases of BS woke shit you don't get to make up things that didn't happen in the movie just to pad out your video.
Skipped around, found him snarking about how "saying nothing in your game isn't fighting capitalism and just supporting the status quo". This is all"no one said it but I'm sure a twitter moron said something like that and I'm going to use that to justify my feelings towards a larger group".
It’s literally all the same thing considering all these people come from the same or similar backgrounds, talk the same, have similar interests, and are very much bubbles within themselves. A zoomer who ends up in a writing room in Hollywood is going to end up more similar to an Xer or millennial in Hollywood than another zoomer in Florida or Minnesota. It’s just an easy off hand to blame it on millennials, just like it’s easy to characterize anything coming out of TikTok as Gen-Z behavior. It’s social groups, not the year you’re born in.
>A zoomer who ends up in a writing room in Hollywood is going to end up more similar to an Xer or millennial in Hollywood than another zoomer in Florida or Minnesota.
No. Whether you're from Oregon or bumfrick Kansas, this sort of writing's gonna pop up in your work if you grew up with the same influences and, like you said, often hung out in the same social groups as other like-minded people. It's not even a recent phenomenon, but I find it mostly obnoxious all the same myself.
This. People are FRICKING BORED of everything being either in Brooklyn or LA and being about the types of characters and homosexuals you would encounter there. No one cares! It’s all beyond played out!
Zoomers raised on the internet have pretty much any resource available to them but are so railroaded into the same media they don't have a frame of reference to the history of this stuff. But they have a really confident attitude that they know what they're talking about. If they were around to watch semi-forgotten syndicated genre shows from the 90's they'd know this kind of writing has been around for a while.
>what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers
They are Puritans worse than the ones on the Mayflower. I hate gen X and millennials for getting the ball rolling with the SJW culture on Livejournal and Tumblr.
Nobody on Cinemaphile actually knows who the Puritains were or what they believed. Comparing them SJWs is entirely superficial.
Also a bit stupid when they're not the ones constantly loudly shrieking about categories of people they disapprove of while trying to pass legislation to discriminate against them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Shut up homosexual, just stop grooming kids. It's that simple.
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It’s literally all the same thing considering all these people come from the same or similar backgrounds, talk the same, have similar interests, and are very much bubbles within themselves. A zoomer who ends up in a writing room in Hollywood is going to end up more similar to an Xer or millennial in Hollywood than another zoomer in Florida or Minnesota. It’s just an easy off hand to blame it on millennials, just like it’s easy to characterize anything coming out of TikTok as Gen-Z behavior. It’s social groups, not the year you’re born in.
This is the key imo
They are too uniform, think the same way, like the same things, hardly take inspirations of different media and real life experience, and to them being "daring" just means "be as leftist as possible".
>Reconstruction
I don't like this either, if anything it leads to forced positivity that's just as lacking in sincerity as deconstructions. It's better just to tell a straight story.
Let stuff be genuinely wholesome again. I know it's not "realistic" but I watch shows on TV to escape from the fricked up real world sometimes. You don't need to keep reminding us "LOL this can't happen in real life" all the time.
I understand what you mean, however what we need is smarter media, not more positive media. The reason so many millennials turned out the way they are was because they only understanding the world through simplistic consumer media.
I think the thing is that it was better when that was a departure from the norm. Like it was a parody of what was popular. Now that it has become the norm its weaknesses become apparent and grating. Also I dont think that kind of writing works for videogames where there is a communication to the player.
In a way, I think it's why reboots have become so grating these days. This snarky attitude makes it seem like the writers are too cool or too smart for engaging with its IP seriously.
You can't tell a straight-forward epic; the hero has to smarmily add "Oh, wow, so I gotta defeat the dragon now? Totally classic. I guess we're doing this." The writer has to let you know that they're smarter than the original material.
>the hero has to smarmily add "Oh, wow, so I gotta defeat the dragon now? Totally classic. I guess we're doing this."
because the average viewer exists in a world where the internet means they have seen a million hero kills dragons
the bare minimum bar is acknowledging that what you are doing is a little trite and making the hero more relatable to the viewer
ideally, you would go further and invite more questions from the audience, but starting with "this again" from the hero gets a foot in the door
That's so insincere, I'd rather read a story that ignores the real world and take killing the dragon seriously without any remarks to other media
It's escapism it shouldn't care about what others wrote but the experience of the characters being fun to engage with
>That's so insincere
acknowledging that what you are doing is a little well-used is not an insincere gesture
1 year ago
Anonymous
The characters in the story should have no knowledge of wathever happens outside, that kills any sense of immersion and thus attachment to the characters and story itself
There are ways in which you can make it work but it just doesn't work for all stories, it's insincere as frick
1 year ago
Anonymous
>that kills any sense of immersion and thus attachment to the characters and story itself
no one has ever said that bugs bunny talking to the audience killed their immersion
>it's insincere as frick
not particularly
character acknowledges that they are a main character and there are certain things they need to do
nothing bad about it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's insincere
How?
1 year ago
Anonymous
A sincere work tells a story from beginning to end in its own terms, that's what makes you care about the world and characters since it keeps the suspension of disbelief you feel that you are experiencing a different world, true escapism
If you bring past experiences for the viewers or things that rely on other media for your audience to get them you break the ilusión of a world that makes sense for its characters, thus no longer being sincere
It's not a hard concept to grasp, in your example mocking the idea of killing a dragon in the story because it is done in countless others breaks any intention of a story staying sincere in its narrative
1 year ago
Anonymous
By that definition there's both nothing wrong with and nothing new about 'insincere' media.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The problem is how much insincere media there is nowadays when compared to just a story being told in the perspective of pure escapism
Using the audience expectations its not a bad thing, if anything parody relies on it to make a point to begin with, we are just saturated with works that don't want to give the audience pure escapism
1 year ago
Anonymous
NTA but that's a misuse of the word "sincere" because you could make a classic story insincerely by following the established formula. It would actually be the more dishonest, cynical, and less sincere work because with the knowledge of the type of basic hero story, the conversations about them, and what works with contemporary audiences, to be focused on making "sincere" works requires you to play dumb. It becomes the more political statement than another non-white dealing with generational trauma with magic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This has nothing to do with a political side, it's all about characters in a story only knowing what's in the story, I don't even know how rotten one has to be to think escapism is a negative trait in entertainment unless you were from the weird school of socialist that thought entertainment and better quality of life for the middle class is bad because it distracts them from noticing how bad the regime is and thus be less likely to revolt, pretty much anyone that thought like that has been dead for decades
Who in their right mind would complain about a story of dwarves and elves shitting in the woods being nothing but a bunch of dwarves and elves shitting in the woods?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't even know how rotten one has to be to think escapism is a negative trait in entertainment unless you were from the weird school of socialist that thought entertainment and better quality of life for the middle class is bad because it distracts them from noticing how bad the regime is and thus be less likely to revolt,
This sounds like it's about a political side and assumptions that come loaded with someone saying "this is just shallow escapism". Left and right can come to that conclusion, I just brought up a political statement that has become common and funny to me. Another one of those generational trauma stories can pop up and it could be genuine and sincere, but I'd still think it's lame. I'm saying labeling escapist fantasy as sincere when intention and genuiness are unknowable is bad argumentation. You can defend escapism fine without developing new language to favorably set it apart from everything else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
NTA but nobody can relate to an omniscious character
>the bare minimum bar is acknowledging that what you are doing is a little trite and making the hero more relatable to the viewer
This is the most wrong thing thats ever been wrong. Jesus christ dude. First off, i dont find smarmy douches "relatable". Second, if the writers KNOW they are making something trite, then maybe they should make it differently? Acknowledging a flaw does not absolve your guilt in engaging in it. And third, maybe they havent considered that there are still many people that can just enjoy a sincere simple story and arent as jaded as video game reviewers or twittergays.
>This is the most wrong thing thats ever been wrong
the most wrong thing is assuming that such an action is inherently bad
>First off, i dont find smarmy douches "relatable"
9/10 real life people will comment something along the lines of "this is just like that movie" when something vaguely similar to a movie occurs to them
> Second, if the writers KNOW they are making something trite, then maybe they should make it differently?
see above: its the bare minimum to get the viewers foot in the door
its an invitation to further raise questions about the validity of the story later on
you start shallow and get deeper
> And third, maybe they havent considered that there are still many people that can just enjoy a sincere simple story and arent as jaded as video game reviewers or twittergays.
false dichotomy
you instantly equate insincerity with any dialogue that doesnt conform to perfect hollywood dialogue
1 year ago
Anonymous
>9/10 real life people will comment something along the lines of "this is just like that movie" when something vaguely similar to a movie occurs to them
Even if that was true (i dont think most people consciously think that), they would forget about it in a moment if they werent reminded of it by the writer. It just breaks the immersion even more. >you start shallow and get deeper
When do they ever get deeper? >you instantly equate insincerity with any dialogue that doesnt conform to perfect hollywood dialogue
No, the insincerity is the inability to tell a story without undermining it. Again, if they had original ideas, they wouldnt need to make self-referential jokes.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It just breaks the immersion even more.
no one has ever had immersion broken this way
>Again, if they had original ideas, they wouldnt need to make self-referential jokes.
doing both is superior to one alone
The video is a mess, because he conflates obnoxious modern gayspeak with self-aware quips, with obnoxious stuttery "they talk just like real people!" writing.
I agree with his points about Borderlands and nuSaints Row, but those are so painfully in your face that it's hard to say that it's not so much a problem with millennials or Gen X'rs, as much as it is just plain bad writing that doesn't have anything to say about anything, so you get twitter brainrot sufferers jerking eachother off about shit they barely understand.
It's probably the Internet that has changed writing more than anything. Before, people would write stories devoid of fan influence. The most you could do is send a letter to the studio or make a petition. At best, you'd be able to speak to the writer at a convention, long after the series had aired.
Now, you have writers looking at social media for real time updates on what the fans are saying. You'll know everything - the fan theories, the ships, the headcanons, etc. And you can tailor the writing to meet people's expectations or go against them. You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them. It feels more like the writers are writing for the Internet/nerd audience than the general public.
>You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them. It feels more like the writers are writing for the Internet/nerd audience than the general public.
Wait, people actually use it as a writing tool? Instead of a wiki?
What do you mean "instead"? Nothing stops them from using both. TV tropes is just a conveniently organized way to track specific plotpoints down. Basically it falls under the whole "Simpsons did it" thing; writers being paranoid that their writing will resemble another thing.
Which is ironic, because the point of that episode was "who cares?" . But I suppose that was when the people who would care was a more niche audience on the internet.
Using TV tropes to write a story would be the absolutely most autistic way you could go about it. Writing should be intuitive, not a chance in hell you're gonna get a decent story from picking out a bunch of tropes from a website and smashing them together.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't think that's what it means. It's more like they write their initial idea, then see if there's any other notable series with similar plotbeats, and then actively avoid those plotbeats by rewriting. Similar to the whole "subverting expectations" thing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Doesn't sound like a very good recipe for a good story either. Just because something has been done before doesn't mean you can't do it again.
mmmaybe if you're writing for a pure gag show like family guy or something
1 year ago
Anonymous
TV Tropes can be a useful litmus to gauge what potential reaction to certain plot based points on what you're planning and writing can end up being. For example, you can take a look at the Manic Pixie Dream Girl page and get a good idea the kind of response you'd get if you made something just like that, gauge response on the variations of it, and find a solid point of entry to do your own kind of energetic blonde girl with an outgoing and sociable personality that won't just end up being a retread of what you read up on.
Conversely, explicitly going out of your way to avoid every single cliche and trope on there is going to guarantee you writing is more about perception than creativity and therefore it's gonna be soulless as hell and none of the dialogue is going to be remotely enjoyable.
Like all things, it's a useful tool if you know how and when to use it. Using a ladder step as a crutch will make you lame, as an old town saying I knew would be said.
1 year ago
Anonymous
When you feel the need to craft you characters around these stereotypes and reactions you're likely autistic or aiming to make bad media. I don't mean that maliciously, I mean that most people have a foundation for character building that makes it so that they know what balances a cast, even if it falls into some cliches or tropes. They don't need to name it, look through similar examples, and make sure their drunk broody mentor is original enough and not like the one in That Time I Got Turned into a Goblin in a Magic High School. And by bad, I mean fast; you're not taking your time to develop anything meaningful, you're using a cookie cutter to reskin Power Rangers.
>You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them
Who admitted to that? The only writers I've seen talk about it as a tool are anons who claim to be writers.
Nu-Tales would have been ten times better without twitter. Felt like more than half of the show ideas were there to get the staff heckin updoots and retweets. >heh, yeah I made the character minority coded with implied non hetero sexuality, that was my doing and you are a smart person like me for noticing 😉
Good story telling comes second.
Speaking of, that show had an episode where the pitch was, no exaggeration:
>What if Character A immediately rejected Character B and then came out as a lesbian? It would teach the young boys watching the show how to accept rejection from girls. 🙂
Which is a deeply Millennial sentiment. Because it's not about petty ship war nonsense to them, you see, it's totally about instilling good values in children and representation. Getting praise from the fandom for mildly hinting at a fan-favorite gay ship was definitely not the point, no sir.
Like with most things about the world being shit now, it's always Gen X trying to shift the fact that they were "rebels" against their parents only to frick things up even worse
Zoomers aren't writing anything yet because none of them have careers where that matters. It's still millennials and gen x'ers in charge of writing movies and games and cartoons and all that. Maybe there's some zoomer hobby animator who's got some shorts on tiktok or youtube, but I don't usually watch those types of videos.
Bo Burnham had gotten a televised standup show on Comedy Central by 18
And zoomers are like 20+ now so there's probably a few who have legit careers even outside of internet.
it's a setting trend we didnt millenial writing as that obvious untill late 2010s, where the style became distinct enough as the trend was at it's peak, We'll see zoomer writing by 2030s. The reason why these wrtiting styles have to be trending is that once it becomes trending that's when it's used lazily, but before it becomes trending it has to persuade the current consumer that it's entertaining.
Nothing, because zoomers are completely braindead. If you've ever had to interact with one it's painful. You can tell that there's nothing going on in their heads.
Most of what gets attacked as "millenial writing" is actually gen x. It started with Kevin Smith, Whedon and other "self-aware" genre writers
I sorta agree with this point. I don’t mind calling it “millennial writing” necessarily, but basically most of his complaints are basically the same old complaints about Twitter and Reddit mindset with a few Tumblr complaints thrown in. I think calling it “millennial writing” is perhaps an acceptable term to synthesize all of them together here.
It should be Reddit writing
It should be called California writing
Or more specifically, call it Hollywood writing.
It's hipster writing. That's the common link here. Hipster shit.
Barely, but I know what I enjoyed of analog horror back when it started a view at something that could have happened and you engage through old media was the main draw for me
you should check out this one too
Now it's just an esthetic were the writers get too involved and ruin the fun, it has become too iterative upon itself if that makes sense also the whole community aspect some go for ruins the mood, at least that's my opinion
Happens with every generation really, it's a never ending cycle. The teen and early 20s zoomers are now in everyone's crosshairs, even the oldest of Gen Z's crosshairs.
>Boomers criticized for being draft dodgers. >Boomers chastises younger generations for not participating in the war and wishing for the draft to come back, since they're crusty old war mongers. >Gen X criticized for being lazy slackers. >Gen X chastises millennials for being slackers, immature, and not having sex. >Millennials blamed for being tech obsessed (always on the smartphone) and buying worthless junk like funko pops or dakimakuras. >Millennials chastises Gen Z for always being glued to smartphones and buying stupid collectables and wasting money on microtransactions, their shitty fashion choices and lingo. >Gen Z criticized for being clueless while also being moronic pseudointellectuals. >Elder Gen Z chastises younger zoomers for... making their already shit generation even shittier? And trash on Gen Alpha because they "LIKE FORTNITE, WE LIKE FORTNITE!" >Gen Alpha... uh... GOO GOO GAA GAA
>>Gen X criticized for being lazy slackers.
We were criticized for more than just that really
I remember back in the late 1990s my college professor labeled us as the "whatever generation" because we were so cynical in our younger days and "lacked empathy" because we didn't care for shit that was going on apparently and how we were shitting out kids at a young age. we were made fun of because of our involvement in goth culture yet boomers were the c**tbags that started that bullshit. I still believe that after 9/11 people changed their attitude towards generation X because of how it affected us all and not just my generation alone.
AFter that people just forgot who we were and millenials became the next generation to bully..
I'll always find it ironic that Shawn tried his damndest to be a hit solo act, but always worked best as part of a team where he had someone to bounce off of. Same with Paul. These guys individually were snore fests, but put them together with someone they work well with, and they were a hit. I'm sure that's something neither of them wanted to accept despite how much they clearly enjoyed DX and its fame.
Meanwhile, your own country is collapsing and your people won't do a thing about it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dp yoy have any idea how little that narrows it down? If you go by actual news, America is crumbling, and despite what some pundits say, Russia amd China aren't taking over. No, they are NEXT IN LINE TO FALL.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dude that's literally every country. Humanity has failed as a species.
>Millennials chastises Gen Z for always being glued to smartphones and buying stupid collectables and wasting money on microtransactions, their shitty fashion choices and lingo.
Millennials are literally the same anon.
Gen alpha will probably be made fun of for being raised by smart devices because their moronic millennial and older generation z parents were too moronic and lazy to raise their own kids. I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot who their own parents were since they are always on the smart device up until bedtime.
Here's my anecdote, my zoomer nephew is turning 13 this week and my sister would always let him use her phone to watch videos on youtube. Fast forward to 2023, he has his own hand me down iPhone and i never once see him without it. i'm not trying to sound like a boomer but millennials truly are shit at "parenting". should've never even bothered to have kids if you can't fricking raise them.
Zoomers are such a fragmented group that they won't have any signature style. They're split up into a million different cliques and online communities. The only commonality you'll likely see is a lot of spasticness on account of their internet fried brains.
This is all theoretical of course, since no zoomers have had time to make any popular media yet. I figure in about 5 years time we'll have a pretty good idea.
>since no zoomers have had time to make any popular media yet
moron, they’re partially the ones now making shitty modern incoherent rap crap music that’s being listened to by the millions. Then there’s MrBeast.
the writing of each generation can be seen as a response to the faults of the last. I'd say the two most ubiquitous trends in the writing of gen z is the depiction of, or at least the attempt to depict, fricked up concepts and imagery, and having gay characters exist without making a big deal out of it.
I sorta agree with this point. I don’t mind calling it “millennial writing” necessarily, but basically most of his complaints are basically the same old complaints about Twitter and Reddit mindset with a few Tumblr complaints thrown in. I think calling it “millennial writing” is perhaps an acceptable term to synthesize all of them together here.
I refuse to watch the video but I'm going to put my own thesis forward: >Reddit shit writing: GenX (MCU etc.) >Tumblr shit writing: millennial (Steven Universe etc.)
I am curious to see what the lows Zoomers can bring next decade.
writing has its place but when stories are script driven you get cut-out puppet shows which are notoriously low budget money laundering schemes. corporate studios favor these productions and the results are shit products.
>Lack of eloquence >Tell don't show >Pomp over substance >No throughline
These aren't new problems. It's mainly a result of poor diction and too many writers in the room.
Be a more discerning customer, and instill in children a love of reading, especially the classics. That's all an individual can do.
>instill in children a love of reading, especially the classics
That's what book reports are for and it barely works. When I was in school I hated the classics because they were stuffy and boring. Now I read them between trashy fantasy and sci fi stories.
Book reports convinced me I hated reading for years as a kid, making someone read something while they have to actively search for points to write about for a grade is not a good way to encourage a genuine love for reading
Ever since millennials entered the animation industry, cartoons truly went to absolute shit. That's why 2010s western animation will be remembered as "woke" garbage with the samey bean mouth artstyle. You'll have some LGBT representation shoehorned in one way or another and one dimensional characters. Millennials aren't good show runners and they can't make decent character designs, see Thundercats Roar or Steven Universe.
Generation X, while also proto-homosexuals, were the last generation to make decent cartoons. I have no idea what Generation Z/Zoomers will make when the time comes, seeing how the oldest of that generation is nearly 30 years old, but I don't think it's gonna be pretty.
I didn't say they were 30 years old, I said they're NEARLY 30 years of age. Maybe if you lived in Canada where they labeled anyone born in 1993 or after as a zoomer then sure (they actually did this at one point lol).
Since every fricking American research center says 1997 or 98 are the starting years for Gen Z, they're damn near close to their 30s. Even scarier is that their 40s are coming up close.
>tfw almost 30 years old
It's bad enough the little baby zoomers call me an old frick because i was born in the 20th century. it's gonna be even worse when i'm 30 years old and then they'll say that i'm going through a "mid-life crisis". guess this generation just don't understand the concept of age.
>tfw born in '97 and young tiktok zoomers call me a relic even though were in the same generation
It never ends this shit. I can't wait until these frickers turn 25 and then gen alpha does the same shit to them, let them know how it feels. You're not old until you're in your midish 60s, that's what my dad says anyway.
Nice to see a fellow Fire Tiger. People these days in general claim others are "old", when in reality your life is just starting. The 30s for me have been the most eventful and constructive decade in my life.
You pretty much flourish in your mid-20s and 30s if you know what you are doing. I didn’t get my first REAL job until I was about 24 in the third quarter of 2011 and now I’m almost 36 living on my ranch. Prior to all of that, I was still living with my parents.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You flourish at any age if you know what you're doing, goofy. Why are we trying to make mid-20s the official number?
you older gen-z guys always seem jaded for some reason. you hate the younger people in the zoomer generation and you're very similar to the last of the millenials. aside from them calling you a relic,what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers?
>what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers
They are Puritans worse than the ones on the Mayflower. I hate gen X and millennials for getting the ball rolling with the SJW culture on Livejournal and Tumblr.
>tfw born in '97 and young tiktok zoomers call me a relic even though were in the same generation
It never ends this shit. I can't wait until these frickers turn 25 and then gen alpha does the same shit to them, let them know how it feels. You're not old until you're in your midish 60s, that's what my dad says anyway.
as long as you don't pretend to be a millennial
with that said tiktok shit is gen a
I don't want to pretend to be anything. Milllenial generation is pozzed, and zoomers are doubly pozzed. I hate generations in general, and I hate how people made it their shitty personality.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't even know why Cinemaphile suddenly has this fixation on generations. I'm a millennial and other millennials hate the misconceptions boomers make about the generations younger than them, Gen X and Z included. Ironically a lot of the same "millennials" on this site sound exactly like the bitter out of touch boomers they hate.
Generations are moronic, and they only exist as a research tool on what young and old people are doing nowadays, among other things.
I'm 25, fricking hate these young homosexuals like u wouldn't believe, I've been hating the direction this stupid world has been taking since 2000 fricking 7 2000 fricking 8 ....the world was legitimately better when boomers were in charge frick these millennials and frick anybody younger than me
Most of us didn’t have easy access to the internet in our early development years (I only started regularly using the internet around 2010), whereas everyone younger than us has had their parents’ phones in their hands since they could hold it, and it shows.
I was born in '96 and raised on hand-me-down shit and second-hand Flea Market toys. Most kids saw their first anime with Toonami, I saw mine on a bootleg VHS with Speed Racer and Dirty Pair.
homie I’m 22 and already feel like I’m no longer with “it”. Happened much sooner than I expected too.
In all seriousness though there definitely seems to be a gap between adult zoomies and those still in school.
Oh yeah, the generational gap is happening EVERY YEAR now. The seniors graduating right now from HS are an entirely different breed than those who graduated the year before. Soon, everyone will be so "No with it" so fast we might as well be from different eras.
26 here, yeah. I can't keep up with kids anymore, their interests seem to change monthly. Honestly, I think us old people in our 20s are making our own It to compensate.
If I had to put a rough line somewhere I’d probably say the divide is strongest between those who were adults during the 2020 shitshow and those underage.
Certainly. 90% of typical zoomer slang I only ever hear from high schoolers. Not trying to deny my Z card or anything just an observation.
I feel like the new popular stuff escape me, honestly. Sometimes, I wonder why I even tread around here or Cinemaphile anymore, but I'd argue it's more the older stuff I'm more familiar with, even regardless of quality.
This, except i'm 21 and i've never ever been a part of "it".
For as long as I can remember, I've always been an outlier. It really sucks, being put in the sidelines and all, not being able to relate to your own "generation" or the zeitgeist. All my interests are niche and nobody gives a damn about me (except my parents, which isn't saying much).
Sometimes I see hardly any reason to go on with life. The fact that the current year is 2023 just feels surreal to me. I don't even understand how normies my age can even think of "planning their future" or "starting a family", it sounds delusional considering the circumstances.
you older gen-z guys always seem jaded for some reason. you hate the younger people in the zoomer generation and you're very similar to the last of the millenials. aside from them calling you a relic,what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers?
homie I’m 22 and already feel like I’m no longer with “it”. Happened much sooner than I expected too.
In all seriousness though there definitely seems to be a gap between adult zoomies and those still in school.
It's natural to feel this way, your mid 20's are when you're leaving you feel like you're truly leaving childhood behind and entering adulthood, but not always sure where you're going. Those younger than you see you as an adult and those older see you as a kid.
Nothing new under the sun.
>It's natural to feel this way, your mid 20's are when you're leaving you feel like you're truly leaving childhood behind
Jesus christ. Grow the frick up.
I'm tired of that cope. "Your brain doesn't mature until 25/30 you're just entering adulthood/leaving childhood then". Anything to justify not growing up.
I'm tired of that cope. "Your brain doesn't mature until 25/30 you're just entering adulthood/leaving childhood then". Anything to justify not growing up.
I have no fricking clue how you got that from my post.My whole point was that people in their 20's feeling like they're in an awkward in-between age has been a thing for ages. If anything it's that they feel too mature for anyone younger and like they're being patronized by people who are older.
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>too mature for anyone younger
People just do this as a coping mechanism so they have SOMEONE to feel more mature than.
Since you were born in 1997 and supposedly the the oldest of your generation, you have the luxury to shit on kids far younger than you. Like how any elder millennial born in 1980/81 can do the same to some millennial born in the early ‘90s, like someone born in 1992 for example. Every generation does it, who cares. Those old millennial guys are no different than the youngest Gen X folks since they grew up with the same shit, gatekeepers are just too moronic to fathom this.
You people are so fricking inconsistent with this terminology. You don't even know what a zoomer is.
Millennial and Gen-Z is a weirdly overlapping range than changes based on who you talk to. Some news outlets last year were saying millennials were anyone 30 and up while people on Twitter and TikTok are saying Gen-Z is everything under 25. The New York Times just released a post today about millennials being middle aged. Some use zillennial to refer to young millennials/old zoomers
You people are so fricking inconsistent with this terminology. You don't even know what a zoomer is.
Eh, most of the old zoomers aren’t far behind. Like the most vocally obnoxious ones are turning 26 this year, which is four years from 30.
He said NEARLY jackass, and it's true. Generation starts in 97.
I didn't say they were 30 years old, I said they're NEARLY 30 years of age. Maybe if you lived in Canada where they labeled anyone born in 1993 or after as a zoomer then sure (they actually did this at one point lol).
Since every fricking American research center says 1997 or 98 are the starting years for Gen Z, they're damn near close to their 30s. Even scarier is that their 40s are coming up close.
Born in 99, the consensus has always been that if you can't actually remember 9/11 then you're a Zoomer. So 96-97 seems like the ideal cutoff, but I can tell you me and my old schoolmates want NOTHING to do with Zoomer shit like Tiktok, (we still use Snapchat) but any of use who had Facebook haven't actually used it since 2011, also we don't get pissed off over banter, we called eachother Black folk, hispanics and israelites all the time but nobody was actually racist, nothing seemed ro be "off-topic" either. I had a black English teacher one year and we actually had a debate one day on the whole "13% of the population" argument, I had also had teachers who said that you're not automatically priviliged just because you're white, shit that real Zoomzooms couldn't cope with.
So really I'd say 96-00 is Zillenial, depending on where you grew up more than anything, and I've known people from 95 or even 94 who I would consider Zoomers
Eh, probably edge generation. Like the border town between dial-up noises and TikTok dances.
1 year ago
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Who else still has a dsl connection? Just me?
1 year ago
Anonymous
born mid 90's in rural europe is a severe whiplash where you experienced religious schooling, dial up, songbooks from the 40's, youtube, deviantart and Cinemaphile, harlem shake, bieber and kesha and finally tiktok, post malone and fortnite
>still thinks Urban Dictionary is relevant
Ok Moomer
But like I said people in that age range who grew up in Cali or NY are gonna be more Zoom leaning, while people from more rural areas will come off more Millenial
If you grow up in a conservative or rural area then your parents (and probably your friends and their parents) will have a more old fashioned attitude towards things, plus technology isn't going to travel as quickly (my neighborhood didn't get Internet until like 2007), as opposed to someone raised in California by yuppies, they're more about getting "with the times" and raising their kids like a "modern family" which usually means letting them just do whatever. The KOTH episode where Bobby starts dating a girl with "progressive" parents is a good example of this
>born mid 90's >older milennials are weird bald manchildren >zoomers are hyperactive shitkids >your own kind might as well be invisible
Feels lonely man
If you can't remember life before 9/11 and how much freer the world was, you're a zoomer.
Just like if you can't remember life before video games and personal computers, you're a millennial.
What you can or can’t remember doesn’t determine which generation you’re apart of, you stupid dipshit. You’re either part of said generation depending on the exact year you were born. If you were born anytime in ‘95 but don’t know what happened on 9/11, you’re still a millennial. If you were born in early ‘98 but had some memories of a pre-9/11 world then guess what you’re still a Gen Z. Dumbass.
Fricking hell, r*ddit’s way on defining generations really did a number on you morons.
That's not at all what matters, that's just a guide.
Along with the first thing I've mentioned, group indentity and group comfort mattered most. What group you thought you were part of AND what group you acted like (my mom and dad were born a month apart but only mum has a returning veteram father and my dad grew up loving 50s folk singers while my mom was into typical 60 rock (but not that heavily).
I'm in the "in between gen x and millenial" range and both are full of cringe shit really. There seems to be some sort of push to revitalize gen x'ers lately too but they still stunk up the joint, some of the worst cartoons and animated movies known to man were produced in the 90s-00s when they took over. A lot of the "ironic humor" talked about in OP's video is a direct reaction to the stale decades old archetypes they were filling TV programming with.
>34 >still feel 21 because I don't have a wife, kids or any real responsibilities >don't get much sun or stress so I can still pass for an older zoomer
I know ot won't last and my midlife crisis will probably hit me like a sack of hammers, but I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts
I feel you, man, but I'm 31 & bald, so I can't pass as a zoomer, but I have the same freedom. I am happy for people who genuinely want the family life, but it's always looked like a prison, to me.
35 bald with a wife and a son who’s legit autistic life’s been fuuuuuun. Basically a stay at home dad, like I work but I’m less educated than my wife so I do part time to help with the bills and handle the rugrat. If I could change anything I would’ve joined the army after highschool.
All these gen wars are so fricking stupid. I remember when I first got online in the early 2000's it was cool to me to talk to people in their late 20's onward because they had different perspectives and experiences. There's different people in every generation, lumping them in groups seem stupid. Hell, I think no one hates millennials more than other millennials.
Honestly I dislike hating on boomers, too. Most boomers I've met have been fine people, especially boomer fanboys. I fricking love talking about 60's/70's comic/sci-fi.monster movie culture with my friend's dad. The boomers who ruined things were politicians.
But the attitude of not taking anything seriously and everything needing quips permeates throughout the story where it affects all parts of the writing.
Yes but it's still about dialogue.
If you made a documentary specifically about pallas cats you probably don't wanna market it as a documentary about "felines".
Sometimes i feel like spending past few months learning/practicing screen writing and learning all the structure/setups/payoffs/flaws/etc is a waste when stuff in OP is something that gets made as a real commercial product....
Biggest thing I took from this video was that apparently Borderlands has a story that people paid attention to? I remember playing the first one and part of the second one but I could not tell you a damn thing that happened in the "story."
Some people like me compulsively pay attention to it and notice if its bad but good on you for being able to "turn your brain off" like a npc, even acting like you dont know whats going on around you.
The writing for cartoons, games, and even half of live-action movies and comics is trash, new or old. It doesn't matter what generation's doing the scripts or stories. It's why they're usually held up by aspects outside of that, like animation or music, or cute girls (or even guys as of late for some audiences and whatnot.
Society does tend to push people to adulthood way to fast. It's all an excuse to force people ultimately into parenthood before they have time to really think it over or even decide if it's right for them. It's some kind of travesty now to say, "you know what? Bringing another life into the world and giving up my own dreams and desires just doesn't seem right for me." Like this is a bad thought to have in your head. It all comes back to pushing people blindly into breeding and nothing more.
I wouldn't say too fast but too abruptly. From one year to another people go from having their parents take care of their needs to being expected to be completelty self-reliant.
I think college does help smooth over that transition period but I just mean by the time you're 30 if you aren't married with kids or planning on it in the near future you are somehow behind. How? That only about 10 years of your already short life that you can hypothetically have fun and be free. Then right away around 28 but even sooner for some you're suppose to revert right back to the suburban hell of family life? You can't blame us for wanting to extend our personal pursuits or forgoing traditional family life entirely for our passions. This is where the tired "I hate my wife" midlife boomer humor comes from. Never got a chance to discover yourself, never got to really be you. No wonder life feels too short.
Married people tend to be happier. Specially women. Women on their late 30s and 40s who are unmarried are the unhappiest and they tend to follow your idea of "finding oneself and freedom".
But truth is that the ACTUAL chances of forming a family ARE on your early 20s, after that you will have a harder and harder to conceive. This is literally how humans work.
Nope sorry, studies definitely state otherwise for childless couples. Now that's someone that's found a stable partner which I do find worth having but again, would never pressure on anyone that doesn't want to pair bond. I'm guessing you aren't American though and wasn't taught the virtue of perusing ones own personal happiness and fulfillment. I sure as hell glad I left my rinky dink town to pursue art. But at the end of the day, I'm not telling you NOT to live traditionally, you just got realize its not the blueprints for happiness for everyone and children should be exposed and encourage to live how they see fit as they mature. If you can't find a partner and a way to settle down, that's on you bud.
>Nope sorry, studies definitely state otherwise for childless couples
Not really.
>I'm guessing you aren't American though and wasn't taught the virtue of perusing ones own personal happiness and fulfillment.
What you consider happiness and fulfilling is a social construct that latches on you due to propaganda and socialization.
> children should be exposed and encourage to live how they see fit as they mature.
Impossible, because people don't make choices and beliefs out of thin air. They are taught and influenced by the society around them, and there are several ways to manipulate those.
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>Not really.
so your response is "Nu-Uh" Great, real thoughtful
>What you consider happiness and fulfilling is a social construct that latches on you due to propaganda and socialization.
You cannot explain to me what gives me fulfillment, you can only try to convince me my thoughts have been "brainwashed" into me. Funny, never once have I tried saying your desires aren't valid...hmmm
>They are taught and influenced by the society around them, and there are several ways to manipulate those.
Kinda like what the right does with the "Scare" statistics on happiness. Almost like I said, expose children to different ways of living and have them decide.
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>so your response is "Nu-Uh"
Girl, I'm just reaffirming my position, you are the one who went "nu-uh"
>You cannot explain to me what gives me fulfillment
I'm not explaining what gives you fulfillment, I'm explaining to you how society builds the idea of fulfillment and how that works.
> you can only try to convince me my thoughts have been "brainwashed" into me.
That's the thing, I'm not saying that. You are as "brainwashed" as any other society to ever exist, you just call yours "freedom" because it's what your envirement tells you to feel. It wouldn't be different from any other society and place.
>Kinda like what the right does with the "Scare" statistics on happiness
Exactly, and the left does the same by claiming that following what they say will "bring happiness", but statistics don't quite show that being true.
>Almost like I said, expose children to different ways of living and have them decide.
And I said that doing that doesn't really work, because kids will more likely go with whatever brings them more high status, material power or respect among their peers, as well as whatever is more common around them. You act like they pick things in a void, but thats not how it works
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I never said anything about a void, I'm saying if you have a world that looks down on women for having careers they'll have kids without really thinking about and vise versa. You can have a world that exposes kids two both lifestyles if both are accepted in society. You brought up the "Statistics" first so YOU show receipts. Ultimately you just wanna dance around the topic of "I know what's best for strangers" but you're smart enough at least to know that's a losing man's game so you won't be brave enough to go there. It's just such a silly battle to have at the end of the day.
>I think college does help smooth over that transition
Well, not all go to college. >That only about 10 years of your already short life that you can hypothetically have fun and be free. Then right away around 28 but even sooner for some you're suppose to revert right back to the suburban hell of family life? You can't blame us for wanting to extend our personal pursuits or forgoing traditional family life entirely for our passions. This is where the tired "I hate my wife" midlife boomer humor comes from. Never got a chance to discover yourself, never got to really be you. No wonder life feels too short.
I don't know that feel.
Alot of people out there that don't even get a shot at suburban family life. Or self-discovery or whatever.
You're just stuck rotting.
You are living on the most childless and sexless generation to ever exist according to actual data. More than half of the countries of the world have a population deficit and nobody does anything to change that - rather you get push for "finding yourself" and "working" over actually forming a family, abortion is also promoted as a way to prevent families from forming.
People are not pushed "blindly into breeding" it's the opposite. It's also not "pushing people into adulthood", it's people being pushed into adolescence beyond their 20s.
I don't disagree that we are living in a more freeing time. I'm saying its silly for the world to blame us for wanting this freedom. You can't expect someone to form a life they aren't ready for/ never want. We need to now find better ways of handling a new way of population trends instead of trying to push against freedom again.
But no one is pushed into a life of "blindly into breeding". It's actively discouraged. You're not being persecuted, you're mindset is more likely to be celebrated in modern society.
>Boohoo not every single person I meet validates all my life choices, this means that I am right and society pushes for it rather than the opposite
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Anonymous
You ever think that your picture of the world and the beliefs of normal everyday people might be contaminated by dramatic larpers on Cinemaphile? Most people think that having a kid is the most meaningful thing you can do in life and those who don't do it are selfish failures and the only ones spared of this harsh judgment are the mentally/physically disabled.
1 year ago
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At the least those people show their moron hand by having these beliefs.
1 year ago
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>nooo you're not allowed to complain that society actively harasses you to shack up feminazi goblins and produce more proles for the evil globalist system!!
have a nice day
1 year ago
Anonymous
Modern society pushes people (both male and female) into the work force so hard we don't actually have time to make close relationships, start families, or have children. Nobody is forcing you to shack up with a "feminazi goblin" to produce more worker drones, you are that. And if the globalist system wants more they'll just import more migrants
>I'm saying its silly for the world to blame us for wanting this freedom
This reminds me of a quote
It was something like "Some women got tricked into thinking that spending time and working for a random boss is freedom, while working for their own family is slavery"
So what if you're a woman that truly doesn't want to be a mom? And humor me and don't just say I'm lying to myself to get out of this question. Really? What about her life hurts you badly?
Women don't know what's best for them. I've seen so many women in my life get into relationships with obvious psychopaths and narcissists but you were to question their choice of partner they get pissy af. Fastforward a little bit and wallah, disaster all over.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thanks for letting me know you surround yourself with idiots.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Thanks for letting me know you surround yourself with idiots.
Based misogynist reply
1 year ago
Anonymous
Men make even dumber partner choices in simping for toxic mega-c**ts
>So what if you're a woman that truly doesn't want to be a mom?
I think it's pretty sad, to dislike life so much that you don't want to share it with somebody else, and that this mindset is more.often than not result of your envirement pushing you to that view.
But most childless women DID want to have children according to actual data. What actually happens is that they try to "find themselves" or "focus on career" and when they realize they have wasted their lives on work and can't conceive anymore.
Actually here is a pretty great documentary about the subject:
I really can't buy the idea that society is "pushing you to form a family" when literally the entire world has people having fewer families, fewer children and becoming more isolated
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Anonymous
Is that the only measure of enjoying life? I can't express my love for life through art? A partner? I honestly encourage you to really think about what it means to think it's "Sad" to see someone make a choice different from you. When I see someone that wants to just be a stay-at-home mom I don't find it sad that they don't want to explore the world, I'm happy they found their own way. It's called being confident in your own belief system.
1 year ago
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>Is that the only measure of enjoying life?
No, but it's a very important one.
>I can't express my love for life through art? A partner?
You can but how having a child prevent you from loving art or your partner? Couldn't you end up discovering an entirely new form of love to share on your art or with your partner?
>what it means to think it's "Sad" to see someone make a choice different from you.
No offense, but most people adamant on being childless that I have meet have horrible views of the world implying that it's better "to not exist than experience it" or that think that slaving their life to a corporation is more worthwhile than forming bonds with family, and that I find pretty sad
>I'm happy they found their own way. It's called being confident in your own belief system.
To be honest I don't want to offend you or anything, if you are happy you are happy, I just disagree with your view and I'm explaining why.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You do realize having a kid puts everything on the sidelines. I'm a fulltime artist. I don't WANT to give that up. That's what gives me fulfillment, happiness, ect. I have never enjoyed the company of children, why? I like discussions like this. Thoughts on politics, art, zoology and history. I don't wanna teach someone how to take a shit. I don't want to have to explain what a stop sign is. You seems a bit more charitable than most Cinemaphile anons so please at least humor me with this.
I like most foods right? Right. But Eggplant. HATE THAT SHIT. Always have. Almost every year someone tells me "nah anon, you just haven't had it right you gotta try my X. I do. It sucks. The person may be a great cook, I'm a great cook, but at my core I hate the taste. There's nothing that's gonna change that, its my being my core. Now is this a perfect analogy? No. Because unlike eggplant I can just toss in the trash, a CHILD, a human being cannot be once its here, and I think it's really unbelievable that people think TELLING me I just don't know love, I need to try it once is anything close to MY truth. Notice the MY. I'm sorry you haven't met nice childfree people but trust me, we exist and are very happy with our decision.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think its fair to have that preference, but at the same time a child is a person, right? So saying you hate children is sort of like someone saying they hate people in general. Its misanthropic, and if you own it, sure, but even misanthropes eventually meet people they enjoy the company of.
1 year ago
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That's a stretch man. I think you can say if I as an adult wanted to "make friends" with children most people would rightly raise an eyebrow to that. Unless its your kid or your kids friend or you are an educator, there really is no reason to desire the company of children if you don't want them. There brains are not developed. You can't hold a meaningful conversation with them. That being said I do love conversations with random people irl or online. I have never really had depression or a disgust for life. In fact one of the reasons I don't want kids is that I don't want to give my life away. It's mine to enjoy and do what I like with.
1 year ago
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>there brains are not developed. You can't hold a meaningful conversation with them.
Just saying as someone who babysits a lot this definitely isn't the case. Frick man, you go outside and there are kids that swear like sailors and talk about the same shit adults do just without any real experience to back anything up, half the people on this site are one hundred percent underage, and its like people forgot that literally every one of us have been kids and that for as moronic as we were we werent these totally innocent lambs to the slaughter.
I'm not shitting on you for not wanting to have kids, nobody with any sense wants people who don't want kids to raise kids, I just think some of your assumptions going into your reasoning for it aren't well founded and coming at it from an angle that isn't letting you see a bigger picture of human experience beyond yourself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not that poster but do you yourself have kids?
1 year ago
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>I just think some of your assumptions going into your reasoning for it aren't well founded and coming at it from an angle that isn't letting you see a bigger picture of human experience beyond yourself.
Really? Because I'm not saying other people don't find that as a great fulfillment, I'm saying it's NOT my ideal of the human experience. Seems like the one that can't respect and accept another person's happiness is missing the big picture.
Also I'm talking about kids mostly. I actually do like teens more than most people.
1 year ago
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>In fact one of the reasons I don't want kids is that I don't want to give my life away.
People here who fantasize about becoming parents imagine that being a parent is putting your mini-me on your shoulders and running around and having fun everyday. Ironically by failing to realize what a serious personal cost and duty being a parent is they aren't giving parents of the world the credit they deserve.
1 year ago
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Nobody here is "fantasizing being a parent" neither are them failing to realize the personal cost. The fact is that your requirements and paranoias about it - are - not - normal. Never on world history have people being so autistic about "being rich and having a idealized perfect life before having kids", in those cases what happens the most is that you grow old alone.
1 year ago
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1 year ago
Anonymous
I'd be curious to see if your artwork is as roastiecore as I imagine it to be
1 year ago
Anonymous
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. What if I was to tell you I was a /JAZZ/ poster too?
1 year ago
Anonymous
What if you did?
I'm sure it's because you actually enjoy the music and not because you're narcissistically appropriating the aesthetic surrounding it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No lol. Like Jazz Jennings threads on Cinemaphile
1 year ago
Anonymous
And I don't fricking know who that is.
1 year ago
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Also >posting on Cinemaphile
already a red flag
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't sound so nice to me, so you're not helping your case here
Africa is the only continent that still has a massively growing population. Everywhere else is growing purely because of momentum they've accumulated over the last few decades that's beginning to slow down. Eventually Africa will be the only continent with actual population growth, and everywhere else will start shrinking. So I guess African zoomers are the only ones having sex, lmao.
>Eventually Africa will be the only continent with actual population growth
Not according to the statistics, they will just enter population decline slower than the developed world
It really does not, society wants you to be as young as long as you can. Our biology makes us pretty much adults as soon as we can breed, it's societal parameters that tell us otherwise. And we've coddled people in their 20's way more than any other point in history.
>Society does tend to push people to adulthood way to fast.
Modern society? You're crazy, if anything its pushed childhood far past the norm into the mid 20s. Rewind the clock even a hundred years and 18 year olds would have far more life experience than adults of today
>Society does tend to push people to adulthood way to fast.
Modern society? You're crazy, if anything its pushed childhood far past the norm into the mid 20s. Rewind the clock even a hundred years and 18 year olds would have far more life experience than adults of today
The issue isn't that modern society pushes people into adulthood too fast, its that it doesn't do anything to prepare them for it. American education in the past 20 years has massively de-valued critical thinking and life skills and overvalued memorizing specific facts to pass a test. So you spend your formative years learning a specific set of test-taking skills that are your only metric for success, and then suddenly you get thrust out into the world and told to 'be and adult', except now you never have to take a Spanish test again and suddenly everything you've been trained to do for the past decade is worthless. A switch gets flipped and you're expected to deal with an entirely different set of conditions, and nothing you have been taught up until now is in any way useful. School doesn't teach you how to do your taxes or balance your checkbook, it taught you logarithms and how to do multiple choice questions for chapters of books you didn't actually read.
So when these students get thrust out into the 'real world', they immediately get overwhelmed and feel like too much is being asked of them all at once because they they haven't been prepared for anything but more school. Going to college buys them more time to figure shit out but it doesn't really solve the problem and the fact of the matter is that most college degrees are not at all worth the debt you accrue getting them. Not a lot of call for someone with a degree in Film Studies.
>its that it doesn't do anything to prepare them for it
Though I don't disagree that public schools are absolutely rotten and are behind the ball about 20 years in what actually makes a person competitive in the economic market today, I think a large part of the blame that no one talks about fall on the Parents. The Parents of today do such a huge disservice to their kids. Many of them treat them like housepets and just sit them in front of a screen. Most seem to have abdicated their responsibility to teach their kids life skills and lessons (I.e financial management, wood working skills, sex ed) to the government and teachers and then get upset when they're taught things they don't agree with or aren't taught at all. The government and the culture has succeeded in turning everyone far more infantile than the people who were around a century ago
A lot of parents took for granted that school would produce functional people because thats how they remember it working when THEY went to school. People didn't realize how worthless public education had become after No Child Left Behind until we saw the results for ourselves, and by that point an entire generation of forever-children was already out in the wild.
>Another "I'm so not like other Milenials" Minenial who's terminally online
Jesus these people are stuck in 2016
Ya I hate Josh Wheaden/Rick and Morty humour too but fricking Hell have sex
I have sex and I still hate this shit. also hate how people who are likely sexless 19 year olds tell me to do something I was already going to do but oh well haha
This guy gets it. You can say "save the traditional family" in a homosexual as way the same way you can say "trans women are women" in a homosexual ass way.
Generations are meaningless designations with no clear lines of demarcation made up by homosexual sociologists trying to rationalize their useless degrees. Why elae would someone born a full decade after the baby boom be considered a "baby boomer"?
But anon you can so easily put the proles against one another through generational conflict, think how easy it will be to sell products or sow discontent!
I mean, yeah, ultimately it's just trying to create disaffection to sell a pre-made identity to people. >The term "generation x" was invented by market researchers in the 50s
the discussions in this thread about the "rationale" for either getting married and having kids or NOT getting married and having kids is an example of biopower or biopolitics.
partly. biopower is institutions defining life and regulating and maintaining the individual's goals. when we do things "freely" we are actually acting out biopower. when we decide to have kids (or not), when we choose the types of food we eat, the type of medicine we take, the type of sex we have, we are all acting out some kind of internal rationale that was prescribed to us by biopower.
I think it's deeply unhealthy to conceptualize the world as power structures. Especially as ones that can and should be taken down and/or manipulated. Nothing good has come from this line of thinking.
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>I think it's deeply unhealthy to conceptualize the world as power structures. Especially as ones that can and should be taken down and/or manipulated.
Even the desire to change and modify the soup that engulfs and creates you is just biopower. Biopower is not something you can wield or even escape. Biopower is understanding the individual as a historical entity.
'88 here. Anybody else feel like everything has been more or less the same since 2007? The 80's and 90's and to a certain extent the early 2000's have their own identity, but nothing from the last 16 years feels like it belongs to a distinct decade. We have more "content" than ever before but it just feels like noise
Adventure time somewhat sums up what the 2010's became honestly >minimalist art style >a decent trickle of lolramdumb quirky humor >goes from simple adventures to deep diving into lore and will they/wont they love triangles >main hero sidelined for the strong girls
But if you had to ask yourself what is 2010s fashion, what would come up in your mind? All I can think of is the dorky glasses and flannel "hipster" look from 2011, otherwise all that comes to mind is either minimalist, fake-retro chic or just dressing like a bum like Billie Eyelash
To me 2010's fashion is distinctly "normie", jeans, plain shirts and hoodies, plain sweaters and sneakers
And if you wanted to be quirky you dyed your hair and put on a popculture reference shirt or flanell
So it's literally just being an NPC? It's like how todays Mercedes' and Bentleys' look no different from a Lexus or a fricking Chrysler 300. Why has minimalism cursed everything in design for the past decade or so?
So it's literally just being an NPC? It's like how todays Mercedes' and Bentleys' look no different from a Lexus or a fricking Chrysler 300. Why has minimalism cursed everything in design for the past decade or so?
Guy fashion barely changes, girls will be able to distinguish months of a year from fashion trends.
>be Gumball >use dozens of different styles, types of animation, and even live action backgrounds and character made from an upside down face >utilize them all seamlessly without feeling too jarring from the other >get called CalArts slop
Please stop roping Gumball into the same category as those other shows.
itt: """"writing"""" >character design is"writing" >actor ad lib is "writing" >on the nose game objectives are "good" >characterization is "bad" >verbosity is "bad" >exposition is "bad"
Maybe it's because I'm in college, but I've never noticed any real disconnect between zoomers and millenials. People are the same as they've always been. Just louder now because all those video games blow our ear drums out.
This is stupid. If you want to make an argument about broad trends in how things are written, don't center it on a tiny selection of videogames almost universally reviled for their abnormally awful writing. Not worth the ten minutes it took to watch it at double speed.
You say they're reviled, yes, but they seem to be spreading like a malignant virus, as seen with other recent games (like Forspoken and High on Life) . Even the GOOD games are getting infected with mild strains. (Hi-Fi Rush)
It's as if all the writers come from the same block.
>they seem to be spreading like a malignant virus
Yes, this is literally the "fellow kids" joke. You just realized this is just the same corny hack shit that's been happening when old people write "for the kids".
>10 minutes in >hasn't made a point, just talking about specific lines of dialogue from Borderlands and the new SR >uses Cinemaphile as counterpoints >uses "we"
Millennial writing is fricking garbage, but this is just as bad. It's like Shapiro shit where it's trying to sound so smart to prove their point, but in turn are doing the same fricking thing as who they're complaining about. Stop wasting my time and stop fricking rambling to sound smarter.
Listen, I'm going to open this video and I will watch it. I'm gonna do that. However, if it starts with a cutesy sing-song joke, a meandering conversation between two annoying people, somebody playing a video game, or a bodily function, I'm going to close it immediately and request someone state the central thesis.
Too late. I'll just never understand it. Video games are the lowest bar for entry anywhere ever. They're designed for everyone to actively engage with, and still zoomers would rather passively engage. That should be the conversation we're all having; How on earth did it get this bad?
t. millennial (ruining writing but competent enough to play his own vidya)
Yah, nah m8. Honestly, how little do you appreciate your life that you have to watch someone playing video, literally cucking out the gaming experience, to be engaged enough to imbibe information?
This is more reddit/twitter/terminally online writing. Writers who clearly obsess over and on social media when not working or eating.
Millennial writing is more fanfic-style serialization with cringe self-insert shit. It can (and often does) have cringe reddit social media dialogue, but it's more about the writer thinking they can be the next great world builder like Tolkien or Martin.
Millennial writing is egotistical and self-centered. The Millennial writer isn't here to impress or entertain you. The millennial writer is here to inform you of how evil you are, and how oppressed other people are. The Millennial has tons of social commentary to espouse, but doesn't have an inkling of talent or narrative understanding, so all you get is hamfisted diatribe, empty platitudes, fluffy monologues, and cringe tit for tat arguments where one party is clearly supposed to be in the right.
And, of course, there's always a cringe anime reference or two thrown in somewhere.
People ITT were probably older than 10 when ipads became a thing, dumbshit. I'll tell you what Millennials did, they complained and b***hed about how life is unfair and how they have to wor- be slaves to corporate giants in order to get their source of income. Anyone born after 1978 is a b***hy homosexual.
Yep, University indoctrination educations ruined them, and Hollywood and video game writer rooms only hire writers indoctrinated with degrees from woke colleges, and they're selected and recruited in to companies by woke indoctrinated HR karens.
Problem is, fans of this writing like Moviebob are part of a large Twitter army that will harass you if you even DARE to make anything that they don't personally approve.
So we're stuck with this forever, or at least until they die out because any attempt at just saying "frick it, I'll do my own thing" and they smell blood in the water. Thanks to Comicsgate and Rippa, they are convinced that attacking anyone who tries to "go agaibst the woke" are fair game. Look at the Hogwarts debacle. Even that wasn't spared and that catered to them 99% of the time.
>Two examples in the OP >Not even Cinemaphile related
You could make an argument for Marvel movies having this type of writing but this has been around since the 2000s with movies like Shrek. This this type of writing popular with millennials? Sure, you could say that. Did millennials come up with this type of writing? Not by a longshot. This reminds me of the articles from the 2010s
It's not just having jokes. It's the hyper-referential meta humor, refusal to be sincere, refusal to take any non-social issue seriously and other symptons you see in things like Velma. This kind of writing is why people are flocking to things like Anime.
>hyper-referential meta humor
Adding hyper doesn't make it any different from what came before. Tell me the difference between this "hyper-referential meta humor" and stuff like Deadpool and classic Animaniacs.
>Call it millennial writing >Describe it as surface level, phoned in, and corporatist >Fail to notice that's just normal shit writing
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Because hipsters evolved to actual unbearable people who wear Carhartt or Duluth brand clothing who are also... forgive me for saying this... "SJW/WOKE".
>tfw i unironically wear carhartt shit
my excuse though is that i actually work a fricking trade job, so i'm not a poser wearing overalls in a fashion sense.
Because hipsters evolved to actual unbearable people who wear Carhartt or Duluth brand clothing who are also... forgive me for saying this... "SJW/WOKE".
Scott and his friends were hipster? I thought hipster meant gatekeeping and being elitist around eclectic tastes like single speed bikes, old fashioned mustaches, and manhole photography. They were just geeks who also happen to leave the house and make music.
>hey I learned the baseline to FF6!
Isn't something a hipster would ever say.
It's almost like you don't want to call them city liberals in a negative way because it reveals that you're the one viewing video game referencing young adults in a negative light.
Hipster means a lot of things but the modern sense primarily refers to this sort of glasses wearing know-it-all frickwit and the various things associated with them like skinny jeans and bright colored dyed hair. Gideon is a hipster.
Why don't people know what performative corporatist pandering to whatever their out of touch asses can glean from surface level exposure to their target demographic is anymore more fricking like it.
We have had multiple whole fricking industries about it for fricking centuries.
Pretty much. Never has been in any decade where things are going THEIR way most of the time, and they let tiny things spurr them into wanting to burn it all down. Example: Hogwarts Legacy and NFTs. Oh sure, companies have eradicated every single thing they deem problematic just for the left, yet that's not enough?
If these dipshits were actually "on" anyone's side but their fricking own, the pandering wouldn't be fake surface level bullshit.
Take an example from the fricking video. No, your carbon footprint doesn't fricking matter. Literally nothing you do as an individual would offset pollution from major industries. Individuals are a fraction of the problem even collectively.
These people don't know or care about the fricking bullshit they give lip service to. They're literally just exploiting pop culture to draw in customers. Badly.
And if you feel ignored by them it just means you aren't their fricking prey, not that they aren't on your fricking side.
I'm fricking sick of these schizo /misc/ strawman comics. I don't give a frick about Disney or Hogwarts Legacy or whatever, I just want healthcare and for inflation to go down dude
A lot I guess. Some conservative's video about how "women killed Saturday Morning Cartoons" stayed up for like three days before it archived. Think it was back in 2020.
That's like asking "when will the new babies stop being born"
Also there's been a substancial backlash to self-aware writing recently, especially with Joss Whedon/Justin Roiland
How much of these reactionary channels are just artists/writer who didn't get any success with their creative work, and now just larping as anti-sjw? It's the same what happened with Sargon, jeez
Not him but reactionary =/= nazi. Also don't see anything in the video that's explicitly him stating what his politics, just pointing out a genuinely annoying trend in media
>try to enjoy modern story in any form of media >it's a hamfisted feminist female empowerment fantasy >if it's not ruined by feminism its a trite anti-colonial parable >if it's not about colonialism or feminism it's about pushing socialism >if it's not any of those, then everything is laced with irony and quippy dialogue because the author is terrified of being sincere >if it truly doesn't fit into any of the above, you'll never hear about it because the mainstream media only tells you about the above things
>>if it truly doesn't fit into any of the above, you'll never hear about it because the mainstream media only tells you about the above things
Maybe actively seek out stories instead of being some homosexual who just waits for someone else to recommend him something
Right off the bat this guy is conflating a tweet with Gen Z slang with games and media written by Gen Xers and calling it "Millennial writing". I don't care to watch the rest of the video with this passionless, droning wanker.
Because modern media will crucify anyone who DOESN'T make media that THEY approve of. And THEY DO rule over western media. Otherwise, stuff like Velma would never be allowed.
Prove me wrong then. The constant "this isn't allowed anymore" threads paint a very clear picture of what's going on. If that's not true, try making anything remotelyblike the media of old. Then see if you get picked apart for it by Social media and everyone calling you a Nazi because apparently only Nazis like nice things.
>53k subscribers >gets 100k or more views on average >channels growing pretty fast will get 100k by the end of the year >only has 6 patrons
holy shit that low number proves this guys content is ass its funny to see homosexuals like these who think there cool because they use Cinemaphile and are one of us get exposed as bigger loser than the average Cinemaphile degarnte ive seen channels smaller than his get more off patrons
i dont like 80% of media that comes out now and i never said anything about the video being wrong im just showing that this guys videos are complete dogshit regardless if he right are not
>20 minute video about a greentext talking about how shit Borderlands dialogue is
Impressive
How do Youtubers manage to drag out such little content for this long?
There would have to be dramatic cultural upheaval on par with the fallout social media that created this problem in the first place.
I don't buy western developed games for this reason 1st and foremost and the only reason I watch any of the litany of >Gender non-conforming girl goes on an otherworldly adventure
is when I just want to hate on something and point out the many clear inspirations taken from anime.
I never heard anyone in real life use the term "zoomer" when they mention Generation Z. Just like how no one calls millennials by their real name: Generation Y.
That being said, from my experience no one I talk too cares about generations, we just see each other as people going on about our day and living life the best we can until death inevitably knocks on our door. Generational wars mostly just happen on the internet or any other form of media.
No. No one says this stuff in real-life, unless you're an absolute loser. This stuff is only trendy online because of the "okay boomer" meme that normalgays had 5 years ago. People are wasting their time being petty over shitposts.
These generations are at their foundational essence marketing demographics anyways, the Anglosphere is completely soulless and devoid of genuine humanity
I think it’s time for you to take a break from the internet
fpbp, morons like OP need to get a hobby. Learn an instrument, how to play chess, needlepoint, SOMETHING that isn't b***hing on the internet
>people b***hing on the internet about a guy b***hing on the internet
It's not a long "thought piece", it's just a post. Now that it's here, people here are going to judge him.
>Stop hating what I like!
> STOP b***hING ON THE INTERNET
t. loser who needs to stop b***hing on the internet
Just let people hate things
I agree, but OP is an obsessed homosexual. Letting your hate control you is bad for you.
we really need a youtube board
gods, no! Just see what happen at /vt/, fricking schizos and parasocial motherfrickers like me
a YouTube and twitter board would be great
Sucks that 4+Cinemaphile didn't win over the Cinemaphile userbase after gamergate. That custom board model was far superior.
custom boards have never worked out, they become too niche and have a hard time attracting regulars.
If there is a niche to be filled it would attract a userbase. So what if there exist a 1000 inactive boards along with the popular ones? Could be fun exploring these obscure ones every now and then.
Normies ruin everything, like bang-wagon jumping fad locusts onto whatever new entertainment of dopamine drip they can get, and leave it a husk, change my mind.
- Internet Celebrities
Holy shit this is genius lmao. I definitely would love a channel where I can shit on all these homosexual doomtubers floating about
>Black person ARIEL!!! SAY IT AINT SO!!! you loser b***h who actually pays to go see it just to upload an hour long vid b***hing harder
It would be a fricking shitshow but I'd be there to watch it
people really want this to happen but for whatever reason they don't create this fricking board. I guess it would be too hard to moderate
people have been asking for /incel/ for years but mods still won't make it, each passing year the e-celeb homosexualry gets worse and worse, there seriously needs to be a containment board for it already
/am/ - Alternative Media
You'd only invite that sort of garbage into the site. It already sucks currently. Now imagine if the sort of people who are interested in talking about YouTubers and E-celebs were invited to talk about that here. And then, one day, those individuals decide to spill onto different boards.
>Now imagine if the sort of people who are interested in talking about YouTubers and E-celebs were invited to talk about that here
Just like how gays from Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile spam on Cinemaphile
Absolute moronic post. Underaged Cinemaphile homosexuals are the ones shitting Cinemaphile and other boards like Cinemaphile. They constantly make off-topic anime threads on their own board simply because they'll get shitted out of Cinemaphile, and mods on Cinemaphile are moronic and won't take those garbage threads down. Cinemaphile Black folk will also come to Cinemaphile and make abhorrent threads related to the MCU and DC's movies in order to bait morons.
>day, those individuals decide to spill onto different boards.
They're already here and they already do this. Case in point, OP
This argument will never work because the type of people that you don't want here are already here and are already making threads to talk about this stupid shit
Bite the bullet and stop acting like there's a chance to win this fight because we and no one else is getting Cinemaphile levels of mod dedication so just make the board already
Youtube is the new television. Get over it.
/gay/
Just go to kiwifarms holy shit
It's not that hard
Null is fat and lazy to keep his unstable website up.
But that place is full of TERFs and chuds.
Normally I'd agree, but we already have enough gays on this site that love to do nothing but gossip and stalk other people. It's bad enough on here even. Parasocial Black folk and dramagays do not need any sort of validation.
>But /vt/
Yes, and that was a massive mistake too.
all boards needed
/yt/
/tiktok/
/kor/
but jannies will just make more Cinemaphile offshoots
We need to jettison all Cinemaphileshit from Cinemaphile. I'm stick of MCU threads and movie actor drama and tv show bullshit. That shit isn't Cinemaphile.
Writing of "his" video sucks
Agreed. I can't stand these "commentator" videos, like that drinker dude, nerdrotic(?) and some other minor ones that show up from time to time. And I "agree" with them most of the time, but their personalities are insufferable.
Critical Drinker was an okay watch until I actually saw one of his videos about a film I had seen myself recently, and I realized he was actually just either straight-up lying about shit so he would have something to complain about, or was a genuine moron. He really just has an agenda against anything he sees as woke media, and while I can respect takedowns of actual cases of BS woke shit you don't get to make up things that didn't happen in the movie just to pad out your video.
Skipped around, found him snarking about how "saying nothing in your game isn't fighting capitalism and just supporting the status quo". This is all"no one said it but I'm sure a twitter moron said something like that and I'm going to use that to justify my feelings towards a larger group".
3 seconds in and I hate your... oh yeah sorry mr shill, this guy's voice
Most of what gets attacked as "millenial writing" is actually gen x. It started with Kevin Smith, Whedon and other "self-aware" genre writers
It’s literally all the same thing considering all these people come from the same or similar backgrounds, talk the same, have similar interests, and are very much bubbles within themselves. A zoomer who ends up in a writing room in Hollywood is going to end up more similar to an Xer or millennial in Hollywood than another zoomer in Florida or Minnesota. It’s just an easy off hand to blame it on millennials, just like it’s easy to characterize anything coming out of TikTok as Gen-Z behavior. It’s social groups, not the year you’re born in.
It should be called California writing
Or more specifically, call it Hollywood writing.
Hollywood writing used to be good
But it's not even exclusive to media produced in California.
>A zoomer who ends up in a writing room in Hollywood is going to end up more similar to an Xer or millennial in Hollywood than another zoomer in Florida or Minnesota.
No. Whether you're from Oregon or bumfrick Kansas, this sort of writing's gonna pop up in your work if you grew up with the same influences and, like you said, often hung out in the same social groups as other like-minded people. It's not even a recent phenomenon, but I find it mostly obnoxious all the same myself.
Yeah but everyone wants a war so generation wars are the new fad.
This. People are FRICKING BORED of everything being either in Brooklyn or LA and being about the types of characters and homosexuals you would encounter there. No one cares! It’s all beyond played out!
Zoomers raised on the internet have pretty much any resource available to them but are so railroaded into the same media they don't have a frame of reference to the history of this stuff. But they have a really confident attitude that they know what they're talking about. If they were around to watch semi-forgotten syndicated genre shows from the 90's they'd know this kind of writing has been around for a while.
Exactly this. The snarky attitude, the attempts at "deconstruction," and the refusal to be sincere is very, very Gen X.
The deconstructions themselves have become cliche and boring at this point.
All of this
Now that deconstructions are boring and cliche what is the next step? Deconstructing the deconstruction?
Well we reached peak puritanism, so i hope it starts going the other way again
Nobody on Cinemaphile actually knows who the Puritains were or what they believed. Comparing them SJWs is entirely superficial.
No one cares what the actual definition is, we're using modern tense for it and everyone else sees it that way too, get off your high horse.
Also a bit stupid when they're not the ones constantly loudly shrieking about categories of people they disapprove of while trying to pass legislation to discriminate against them.
Shut up homosexual, just stop grooming kids. It's that simple.
This is the key imo
They are too uniform, think the same way, like the same things, hardly take inspirations of different media and real life experience, and to them being "daring" just means "be as leftist as possible".
reconstruction so like Gurren Lagann. so in other words kino.
>Reconstruction
I don't like this either, if anything it leads to forced positivity that's just as lacking in sincerity as deconstructions. It's better just to tell a straight story.
Let stuff be genuinely wholesome again. I know it's not "realistic" but I watch shows on TV to escape from the fricked up real world sometimes. You don't need to keep reminding us "LOL this can't happen in real life" all the time.
The closest we get to that anymore is the back pattery safe space Steven Universe stuff.
I understand what you mean, however what we need is smarter media, not more positive media. The reason so many millennials turned out the way they are was because they only understanding the world through simplistic consumer media.
>using simple, well known characters to relate ideas in quick way
woah that's totally original to millennials
I think the thing is that it was better when that was a departure from the norm. Like it was a parody of what was popular. Now that it has become the norm its weaknesses become apparent and grating. Also I dont think that kind of writing works for videogames where there is a communication to the player.
In a way, I think it's why reboots have become so grating these days. This snarky attitude makes it seem like the writers are too cool or too smart for engaging with its IP seriously.
You can't tell a straight-forward epic; the hero has to smarmily add "Oh, wow, so I gotta defeat the dragon now? Totally classic. I guess we're doing this." The writer has to let you know that they're smarter than the original material.
>the hero has to smarmily add "Oh, wow, so I gotta defeat the dragon now? Totally classic. I guess we're doing this."
because the average viewer exists in a world where the internet means they have seen a million hero kills dragons
the bare minimum bar is acknowledging that what you are doing is a little trite and making the hero more relatable to the viewer
ideally, you would go further and invite more questions from the audience, but starting with "this again" from the hero gets a foot in the door
That's so insincere, I'd rather read a story that ignores the real world and take killing the dragon seriously without any remarks to other media
It's escapism it shouldn't care about what others wrote but the experience of the characters being fun to engage with
>That's so insincere
acknowledging that what you are doing is a little well-used is not an insincere gesture
The characters in the story should have no knowledge of wathever happens outside, that kills any sense of immersion and thus attachment to the characters and story itself
There are ways in which you can make it work but it just doesn't work for all stories, it's insincere as frick
>that kills any sense of immersion and thus attachment to the characters and story itself
no one has ever said that bugs bunny talking to the audience killed their immersion
>it's insincere as frick
not particularly
character acknowledges that they are a main character and there are certain things they need to do
nothing bad about it
>it's insincere
How?
A sincere work tells a story from beginning to end in its own terms, that's what makes you care about the world and characters since it keeps the suspension of disbelief you feel that you are experiencing a different world, true escapism
If you bring past experiences for the viewers or things that rely on other media for your audience to get them you break the ilusión of a world that makes sense for its characters, thus no longer being sincere
It's not a hard concept to grasp, in your example mocking the idea of killing a dragon in the story because it is done in countless others breaks any intention of a story staying sincere in its narrative
By that definition there's both nothing wrong with and nothing new about 'insincere' media.
The problem is how much insincere media there is nowadays when compared to just a story being told in the perspective of pure escapism
Using the audience expectations its not a bad thing, if anything parody relies on it to make a point to begin with, we are just saturated with works that don't want to give the audience pure escapism
NTA but that's a misuse of the word "sincere" because you could make a classic story insincerely by following the established formula. It would actually be the more dishonest, cynical, and less sincere work because with the knowledge of the type of basic hero story, the conversations about them, and what works with contemporary audiences, to be focused on making "sincere" works requires you to play dumb. It becomes the more political statement than another non-white dealing with generational trauma with magic.
This has nothing to do with a political side, it's all about characters in a story only knowing what's in the story, I don't even know how rotten one has to be to think escapism is a negative trait in entertainment unless you were from the weird school of socialist that thought entertainment and better quality of life for the middle class is bad because it distracts them from noticing how bad the regime is and thus be less likely to revolt, pretty much anyone that thought like that has been dead for decades
Who in their right mind would complain about a story of dwarves and elves shitting in the woods being nothing but a bunch of dwarves and elves shitting in the woods?
>I don't even know how rotten one has to be to think escapism is a negative trait in entertainment unless you were from the weird school of socialist that thought entertainment and better quality of life for the middle class is bad because it distracts them from noticing how bad the regime is and thus be less likely to revolt,
This sounds like it's about a political side and assumptions that come loaded with someone saying "this is just shallow escapism". Left and right can come to that conclusion, I just brought up a political statement that has become common and funny to me. Another one of those generational trauma stories can pop up and it could be genuine and sincere, but I'd still think it's lame. I'm saying labeling escapist fantasy as sincere when intention and genuiness are unknowable is bad argumentation. You can defend escapism fine without developing new language to favorably set it apart from everything else.
NTA but nobody can relate to an omniscious character
>the bare minimum bar is acknowledging that what you are doing is a little trite and making the hero more relatable to the viewer
This is the most wrong thing thats ever been wrong. Jesus christ dude. First off, i dont find smarmy douches "relatable". Second, if the writers KNOW they are making something trite, then maybe they should make it differently? Acknowledging a flaw does not absolve your guilt in engaging in it. And third, maybe they havent considered that there are still many people that can just enjoy a sincere simple story and arent as jaded as video game reviewers or twittergays.
>This is the most wrong thing thats ever been wrong
the most wrong thing is assuming that such an action is inherently bad
>First off, i dont find smarmy douches "relatable"
9/10 real life people will comment something along the lines of "this is just like that movie" when something vaguely similar to a movie occurs to them
> Second, if the writers KNOW they are making something trite, then maybe they should make it differently?
see above: its the bare minimum to get the viewers foot in the door
its an invitation to further raise questions about the validity of the story later on
you start shallow and get deeper
> And third, maybe they havent considered that there are still many people that can just enjoy a sincere simple story and arent as jaded as video game reviewers or twittergays.
false dichotomy
you instantly equate insincerity with any dialogue that doesnt conform to perfect hollywood dialogue
>9/10 real life people will comment something along the lines of "this is just like that movie" when something vaguely similar to a movie occurs to them
Even if that was true (i dont think most people consciously think that), they would forget about it in a moment if they werent reminded of it by the writer. It just breaks the immersion even more.
>you start shallow and get deeper
When do they ever get deeper?
>you instantly equate insincerity with any dialogue that doesnt conform to perfect hollywood dialogue
No, the insincerity is the inability to tell a story without undermining it. Again, if they had original ideas, they wouldnt need to make self-referential jokes.
>It just breaks the immersion even more.
no one has ever had immersion broken this way
>Again, if they had original ideas, they wouldnt need to make self-referential jokes.
doing both is superior to one alone
The video is a mess, because he conflates obnoxious modern gayspeak with self-aware quips, with obnoxious stuttery "they talk just like real people!" writing.
I agree with his points about Borderlands and nuSaints Row, but those are so painfully in your face that it's hard to say that it's not so much a problem with millennials or Gen X'rs, as much as it is just plain bad writing that doesn't have anything to say about anything, so you get twitter brainrot sufferers jerking eachother off about shit they barely understand.
It's probably the Internet that has changed writing more than anything. Before, people would write stories devoid of fan influence. The most you could do is send a letter to the studio or make a petition. At best, you'd be able to speak to the writer at a convention, long after the series had aired.
Now, you have writers looking at social media for real time updates on what the fans are saying. You'll know everything - the fan theories, the ships, the headcanons, etc. And you can tailor the writing to meet people's expectations or go against them. You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them. It feels more like the writers are writing for the Internet/nerd audience than the general public.
>You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them. It feels more like the writers are writing for the Internet/nerd audience than the general public.
Wait, people actually use it as a writing tool? Instead of a wiki?
What do you mean "instead"? Nothing stops them from using both. TV tropes is just a conveniently organized way to track specific plotpoints down. Basically it falls under the whole "Simpsons did it" thing; writers being paranoid that their writing will resemble another thing.
Which is ironic, because the point of that episode was "who cares?" . But I suppose that was when the people who would care was a more niche audience on the internet.
Using TV tropes to write a story would be the absolutely most autistic way you could go about it. Writing should be intuitive, not a chance in hell you're gonna get a decent story from picking out a bunch of tropes from a website and smashing them together.
I don't think that's what it means. It's more like they write their initial idea, then see if there's any other notable series with similar plotbeats, and then actively avoid those plotbeats by rewriting. Similar to the whole "subverting expectations" thing.
Doesn't sound like a very good recipe for a good story either. Just because something has been done before doesn't mean you can't do it again.
mmmaybe if you're writing for a pure gag show like family guy or something
TV Tropes can be a useful litmus to gauge what potential reaction to certain plot based points on what you're planning and writing can end up being. For example, you can take a look at the Manic Pixie Dream Girl page and get a good idea the kind of response you'd get if you made something just like that, gauge response on the variations of it, and find a solid point of entry to do your own kind of energetic blonde girl with an outgoing and sociable personality that won't just end up being a retread of what you read up on.
Conversely, explicitly going out of your way to avoid every single cliche and trope on there is going to guarantee you writing is more about perception than creativity and therefore it's gonna be soulless as hell and none of the dialogue is going to be remotely enjoyable.
Like all things, it's a useful tool if you know how and when to use it. Using a ladder step as a crutch will make you lame, as an old town saying I knew would be said.
When you feel the need to craft you characters around these stereotypes and reactions you're likely autistic or aiming to make bad media. I don't mean that maliciously, I mean that most people have a foundation for character building that makes it so that they know what balances a cast, even if it falls into some cliches or tropes. They don't need to name it, look through similar examples, and make sure their drunk broody mentor is original enough and not like the one in That Time I Got Turned into a Goblin in a Magic High School. And by bad, I mean fast; you're not taking your time to develop anything meaningful, you're using a cookie cutter to reskin Power Rangers.
>You'll have writers admitting that they look at TV Tropes and try to upend them
Who admitted to that? The only writers I've seen talk about it as a tool are anons who claim to be writers.
Nu-Tales would have been ten times better without twitter. Felt like more than half of the show ideas were there to get the staff heckin updoots and retweets.
>heh, yeah I made the character minority coded with implied non hetero sexuality, that was my doing and you are a smart person like me for noticing 😉
Good story telling comes second.
Speaking of, that show had an episode where the pitch was, no exaggeration:
>What if Character A immediately rejected Character B and then came out as a lesbian? It would teach the young boys watching the show how to accept rejection from girls. 🙂
Which is a deeply Millennial sentiment. Because it's not about petty ship war nonsense to them, you see, it's totally about instilling good values in children and representation. Getting praise from the fandom for mildly hinting at a fan-favorite gay ship was definitely not the point, no sir.
Like with most things about the world being shit now, it's always Gen X trying to shift the fact that they were "rebels" against their parents only to frick things up even worse
Inconvenient truths aren't allowed, this is people born in the 1970s seething about people born in the 1990s and that's that.
you know how it is with zoomers
they also pretend they're not zoomers too, funny enough
What's zoomer writing?
Zoomers aren't writing anything yet because none of them have careers where that matters. It's still millennials and gen x'ers in charge of writing movies and games and cartoons and all that. Maybe there's some zoomer hobby animator who's got some shorts on tiktok or youtube, but I don't usually watch those types of videos.
>he doesn't know
Bo Burnham had gotten a televised standup show on Comedy Central by 18
And zoomers are like 20+ now so there's probably a few who have legit careers even outside of internet.
it's a setting trend we didnt millenial writing as that obvious untill late 2010s, where the style became distinct enough as the trend was at it's peak, We'll see zoomer writing by 2030s. The reason why these wrtiting styles have to be trending is that once it becomes trending that's when it's used lazily, but before it becomes trending it has to persuade the current consumer that it's entertaining.
Alot of the AI president stuff.
That shit stopped being funny halfway through the first video.
Nothing, because zoomers are completely braindead. If you've ever had to interact with one it's painful. You can tell that there's nothing going on in their heads.
>Nothing, because zoomers are completely braindead.
They're only braindead because of equally braindead generations before them.
It's hipster writing. That's the common link here. Hipster shit.
DEADASS
NO CAP
FR BRO
>dabs
undertale
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I hate how right you are
I don't get the refetence. Analog horror?
Yeah, every one seems fixated in making spooky mistery boxes and have no idea of what they are doing
Do you know what they're doing?
Barely, but I know what I enjoyed of analog horror back when it started a view at something that could have happened and you engage through old media was the main draw for me
Now it's just an esthetic were the writers get too involved and ruin the fun, it has become too iterative upon itself if that makes sense also the whole community aspect some go for ruins the mood, at least that's my opinion
Millennials started that though?
Now replace redacted with penis
I don't understand why Zoomers are often blamed for something started and popularized by millennials
Happens with every generation really, it's a never ending cycle. The teen and early 20s zoomers are now in everyone's crosshairs, even the oldest of Gen Z's crosshairs.
>Boomers criticized for being draft dodgers.
>Boomers chastises younger generations for not participating in the war and wishing for the draft to come back, since they're crusty old war mongers.
>Gen X criticized for being lazy slackers.
>Gen X chastises millennials for being slackers, immature, and not having sex.
>Millennials blamed for being tech obsessed (always on the smartphone) and buying worthless junk like funko pops or dakimakuras.
>Millennials chastises Gen Z for always being glued to smartphones and buying stupid collectables and wasting money on microtransactions, their shitty fashion choices and lingo.
>Gen Z criticized for being clueless while also being moronic pseudointellectuals.
>Elder Gen Z chastises younger zoomers for... making their already shit generation even shittier? And trash on Gen Alpha because they "LIKE FORTNITE, WE LIKE FORTNITE!"
>Gen Alpha... uh... GOO GOO GAA GAA
>>Gen X criticized for being lazy slackers.
We were criticized for more than just that really
I remember back in the late 1990s my college professor labeled us as the "whatever generation" because we were so cynical in our younger days and "lacked empathy" because we didn't care for shit that was going on apparently and how we were shitting out kids at a young age. we were made fun of because of our involvement in goth culture yet boomers were the c**tbags that started that bullshit. I still believe that after 9/11 people changed their attitude towards generation X because of how it affected us all and not just my generation alone.
AFter that people just forgot who we were and millenials became the next generation to bully..
I'll always find it ironic that Shawn tried his damndest to be a hit solo act, but always worked best as part of a team where he had someone to bounce off of. Same with Paul. These guys individually were snore fests, but put them together with someone they work well with, and they were a hit. I'm sure that's something neither of them wanted to accept despite how much they clearly enjoyed DX and its fame.
Just seems that everyone is getting worse.
The problem is Americans are moronic and get more and more worthless with each passing day
Meanwhile, your own country is collapsing and your people won't do a thing about it.
Dp yoy have any idea how little that narrows it down? If you go by actual news, America is crumbling, and despite what some pundits say, Russia amd China aren't taking over. No, they are NEXT IN LINE TO FALL.
Dude that's literally every country. Humanity has failed as a species.
>Millennials chastises Gen Z for always being glued to smartphones and buying stupid collectables and wasting money on microtransactions, their shitty fashion choices and lingo.
Millennials are literally the same anon.
That's what he just said in the previous sentence
Frick those lazy gen alpha fricks and them always wanting formula, back in my day you sucked milk straight from the tit!
Gen alpha will probably be made fun of for being raised by smart devices because their moronic millennial and older generation z parents were too moronic and lazy to raise their own kids. I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot who their own parents were since they are always on the smart device up until bedtime.
Here's my anecdote, my zoomer nephew is turning 13 this week and my sister would always let him use her phone to watch videos on youtube. Fast forward to 2023, he has his own hand me down iPhone and i never once see him without it. i'm not trying to sound like a boomer but millennials truly are shit at "parenting". should've never even bothered to have kids if you can't fricking raise them.
Homestuck trans satellite
They copy paste Wikipedia, and say "beans" as a punch line
Zoomers are such a fragmented group that they won't have any signature style. They're split up into a million different cliques and online communities. The only commonality you'll likely see is a lot of spasticness on account of their internet fried brains.
This is all theoretical of course, since no zoomers have had time to make any popular media yet. I figure in about 5 years time we'll have a pretty good idea.
The Backrooms is literally made by a zoomer.
>since no zoomers have had time to make any popular media yet
moron, they’re partially the ones now making shitty modern incoherent rap crap music that’s being listened to by the millions. Then there’s MrBeast.
Zoomers can’t write, they don’t know how to use a pencil because they’re too busy with those darn phones!
str8^
the writing of each generation can be seen as a response to the faults of the last. I'd say the two most ubiquitous trends in the writing of gen z is the depiction of, or at least the attempt to depict, fricked up concepts and imagery, and having gay characters exist without making a big deal out of it.
I feel this barely counts as Cinemaphile related, if at all.
This type of writing plagues most modern American media including cartoons. Just look at Velma.
Post this on Cinemaphile it’ll upset the Jannies there.
>Disgruntled, Halotuber b***hes, moans, and projects take #431
When zoomers start getting major writing roles, which will probably be worse
If comedy shows are written like this in 20 years, I’ll just go amish.
It should be Reddit writing
I sorta agree with this point. I don’t mind calling it “millennial writing” necessarily, but basically most of his complaints are basically the same old complaints about Twitter and Reddit mindset with a few Tumblr complaints thrown in. I think calling it “millennial writing” is perhaps an acceptable term to synthesize all of them together here.
I refuse to watch the video but I'm going to put my own thesis forward:
>Reddit shit writing: GenX (MCU etc.)
>Tumblr shit writing: millennial (Steven Universe etc.)
I am curious to see what the lows Zoomers can bring next decade.
Good point
reddit writing for a reddit generation
visual storytelling > writing
Okay i'll bite, give me an example that isn't just slapstick.
writing has its place but when stories are script driven you get cut-out puppet shows which are notoriously low budget money laundering schemes. corporate studios favor these productions and the results are shit products.
This really isn't the fault of the artists then, those decisions are forced by exec israelites.
>Lack of eloquence
>Tell don't show
>Pomp over substance
>No throughline
These aren't new problems. It's mainly a result of poor diction and too many writers in the room.
Be a more discerning customer, and instill in children a love of reading, especially the classics. That's all an individual can do.
>instill in children a love of reading, especially the classics
That's what book reports are for and it barely works. When I was in school I hated the classics because they were stuffy and boring. Now I read them between trashy fantasy and sci fi stories.
Book reports convinced me I hated reading for years as a kid, making someone read something while they have to actively search for points to write about for a grade is not a good way to encourage a genuine love for reading
Ever since millennials entered the animation industry, cartoons truly went to absolute shit. That's why 2010s western animation will be remembered as "woke" garbage with the samey bean mouth artstyle. You'll have some LGBT representation shoehorned in one way or another and one dimensional characters. Millennials aren't good show runners and they can't make decent character designs, see Thundercats Roar or Steven Universe.
Generation X, while also proto-homosexuals, were the last generation to make decent cartoons. I have no idea what Generation Z/Zoomers will make when the time comes, seeing how the oldest of that generation is nearly 30 years old, but I don't think it's gonna be pretty.
stfu boomer
>zoomers are now 30 years old
You people are so fricking inconsistent with this terminology. You don't even know what a zoomer is.
I didn't say they were 30 years old, I said they're NEARLY 30 years of age. Maybe if you lived in Canada where they labeled anyone born in 1993 or after as a zoomer then sure (they actually did this at one point lol).
Since every fricking American research center says 1997 or 98 are the starting years for Gen Z, they're damn near close to their 30s. Even scarier is that their 40s are coming up close.
He said NEARLY jackass, and it's true. Generation starts in 97.
>tfw almost 30 years old
It's bad enough the little baby zoomers call me an old frick because i was born in the 20th century. it's gonna be even worse when i'm 30 years old and then they'll say that i'm going through a "mid-life crisis". guess this generation just don't understand the concept of age.
Eh, most of the old zoomers aren’t far behind. Like the most vocally obnoxious ones are turning 26 this year, which is four years from 30.
The "vocally obnoxious" ones are almost no different than some millennial nutjob born in 1995.
>tfw born in '97 and young tiktok zoomers call me a relic even though were in the same generation
It never ends this shit. I can't wait until these frickers turn 25 and then gen alpha does the same shit to them, let them know how it feels. You're not old until you're in your midish 60s, that's what my dad says anyway.
Hail brother. I was born in 1986 and youngins say i should enter a retirement home. i'm not even 40 yet
Nice to see a fellow Fire Tiger. People these days in general claim others are "old", when in reality your life is just starting. The 30s for me have been the most eventful and constructive decade in my life.
You pretty much flourish in your mid-20s and 30s if you know what you are doing. I didn’t get my first REAL job until I was about 24 in the third quarter of 2011 and now I’m almost 36 living on my ranch. Prior to all of that, I was still living with my parents.
You flourish at any age if you know what you're doing, goofy. Why are we trying to make mid-20s the official number?
you older gen-z guys always seem jaded for some reason. you hate the younger people in the zoomer generation and you're very similar to the last of the millenials. aside from them calling you a relic,what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers?
>what else do you hate about the younger half of zoomers
They are Puritans worse than the ones on the Mayflower. I hate gen X and millennials for getting the ball rolling with the SJW culture on Livejournal and Tumblr.
as long as you don't pretend to be a millennial
with that said tiktok shit is gen a
I don't want to pretend to be anything. Milllenial generation is pozzed, and zoomers are doubly pozzed. I hate generations in general, and I hate how people made it their shitty personality.
I don't even know why Cinemaphile suddenly has this fixation on generations. I'm a millennial and other millennials hate the misconceptions boomers make about the generations younger than them, Gen X and Z included. Ironically a lot of the same "millennials" on this site sound exactly like the bitter out of touch boomers they hate.
Generations are moronic, and they only exist as a research tool on what young and old people are doing nowadays, among other things.
I'm 25, fricking hate these young homosexuals like u wouldn't believe, I've been hating the direction this stupid world has been taking since 2000 fricking 7 2000 fricking 8 ....the world was legitimately better when boomers were in charge frick these millennials and frick anybody younger than me
Being a jaded butthole when your brain's just barely finished developing isn't cool
Most of us didn’t have easy access to the internet in our early development years (I only started regularly using the internet around 2010), whereas everyone younger than us has had their parents’ phones in their hands since they could hold it, and it shows.
I was born in '96 and raised on hand-me-down shit and second-hand Flea Market toys. Most kids saw their first anime with Toonami, I saw mine on a bootleg VHS with Speed Racer and Dirty Pair.
homie I’m 22 and already feel like I’m no longer with “it”. Happened much sooner than I expected too.
In all seriousness though there definitely seems to be a gap between adult zoomies and those still in school.
Oh yeah, the generational gap is happening EVERY YEAR now. The seniors graduating right now from HS are an entirely different breed than those who graduated the year before. Soon, everyone will be so "No with it" so fast we might as well be from different eras.
26 here, yeah. I can't keep up with kids anymore, their interests seem to change monthly. Honestly, I think us old people in our 20s are making our own It to compensate.
If I had to put a rough line somewhere I’d probably say the divide is strongest between those who were adults during the 2020 shitshow and those underage.
Certainly. 90% of typical zoomer slang I only ever hear from high schoolers. Not trying to deny my Z card or anything just an observation.
I feel like the new popular stuff escape me, honestly. Sometimes, I wonder why I even tread around here or Cinemaphile anymore, but I'd argue it's more the older stuff I'm more familiar with, even regardless of quality.
This, except i'm 21 and i've never ever been a part of "it".
For as long as I can remember, I've always been an outlier. It really sucks, being put in the sidelines and all, not being able to relate to your own "generation" or the zeitgeist. All my interests are niche and nobody gives a damn about me (except my parents, which isn't saying much).
Sometimes I see hardly any reason to go on with life. The fact that the current year is 2023 just feels surreal to me. I don't even understand how normies my age can even think of "planning their future" or "starting a family", it sounds delusional considering the circumstances.
I wish i had the guts to off myself
FML
I’m 19 and already feel like a failure. Never was in the it crowd really
The internet is an accelerator on everything, Once you hit 30, you might as well be in a retirement home in internet years
It's natural to feel this way, your mid 20's are when you're leaving you feel like you're truly leaving childhood behind and entering adulthood, but not always sure where you're going. Those younger than you see you as an adult and those older see you as a kid.
Nothing new under the sun.
>It's natural to feel this way, your mid 20's are when you're leaving you feel like you're truly leaving childhood behind
Jesus christ. Grow the frick up.
What the frick are you talking about?
I'm tired of that cope. "Your brain doesn't mature until 25/30 you're just entering adulthood/leaving childhood then". Anything to justify not growing up.
I have no fricking clue how you got that from my post.My whole point was that people in their 20's feeling like they're in an awkward in-between age has been a thing for ages. If anything it's that they feel too mature for anyone younger and like they're being patronized by people who are older.
>too mature for anyone younger
People just do this as a coping mechanism so they have SOMEONE to feel more mature than.
Since you were born in 1997 and supposedly the the oldest of your generation, you have the luxury to shit on kids far younger than you. Like how any elder millennial born in 1980/81 can do the same to some millennial born in the early ‘90s, like someone born in 1992 for example. Every generation does it, who cares. Those old millennial guys are no different than the youngest Gen X folks since they grew up with the same shit, gatekeepers are just too moronic to fathom this.
Maybe you shouldn't be so weak that you get mentally defeated by someone calling you old
Millennial and Gen-Z is a weirdly overlapping range than changes based on who you talk to. Some news outlets last year were saying millennials were anyone 30 and up while people on Twitter and TikTok are saying Gen-Z is everything under 25. The New York Times just released a post today about millennials being middle aged. Some use zillennial to refer to young millennials/old zoomers
Born in 99, the consensus has always been that if you can't actually remember 9/11 then you're a Zoomer. So 96-97 seems like the ideal cutoff, but I can tell you me and my old schoolmates want NOTHING to do with Zoomer shit like Tiktok, (we still use Snapchat) but any of use who had Facebook haven't actually used it since 2011, also we don't get pissed off over banter, we called eachother Black folk, hispanics and israelites all the time but nobody was actually racist, nothing seemed ro be "off-topic" either. I had a black English teacher one year and we actually had a debate one day on the whole "13% of the population" argument, I had also had teachers who said that you're not automatically priviliged just because you're white, shit that real Zoomzooms couldn't cope with.
So really I'd say 96-00 is Zillenial, depending on where you grew up more than anything, and I've known people from 95 or even 94 who I would consider Zoomers
>96-00
Even that’s a disputed range.
Oh shit, it turns I were the actual zoomer the whole time.
Eh, probably edge generation. Like the border town between dial-up noises and TikTok dances.
Who else still has a dsl connection? Just me?
born mid 90's in rural europe is a severe whiplash where you experienced religious schooling, dial up, songbooks from the 40's, youtube, deviantart and Cinemaphile, harlem shake, bieber and kesha and finally tiktok, post malone and fortnite
>still thinks Urban Dictionary is relevant
Ok Moomer
But like I said people in that age range who grew up in Cali or NY are gonna be more Zoom leaning, while people from more rural areas will come off more Millenial
>Moomer
More of a Snufkingay myself
What does being rural have to do with anything?
If you grow up in a conservative or rural area then your parents (and probably your friends and their parents) will have a more old fashioned attitude towards things, plus technology isn't going to travel as quickly (my neighborhood didn't get Internet until like 2007), as opposed to someone raised in California by yuppies, they're more about getting "with the times" and raising their kids like a "modern family" which usually means letting them just do whatever. The KOTH episode where Bobby starts dating a girl with "progressive" parents is a good example of this
>Micro
>Five Year Timespan
>I was born in 1993
Oh fugg 😀
>born mid 90's
>older milennials are weird bald manchildren
>zoomers are hyperactive shitkids
>your own kind might as well be invisible
Feels lonely man
If you can't remember life before 9/11 and how much freer the world was, you're a zoomer.
Just like if you can't remember life before video games and personal computers, you're a millennial.
What you can or can’t remember doesn’t determine which generation you’re apart of, you stupid dipshit. You’re either part of said generation depending on the exact year you were born. If you were born anytime in ‘95 but don’t know what happened on 9/11, you’re still a millennial. If you were born in early ‘98 but had some memories of a pre-9/11 world then guess what you’re still a Gen Z. Dumbass.
Fricking hell, r*ddit’s way on defining generations really did a number on you morons.
That's not at all what matters, that's just a guide.
Along with the first thing I've mentioned, group indentity and group comfort mattered most. What group you thought you were part of AND what group you acted like (my mom and dad were born a month apart but only mum has a returning veteram father and my dad grew up loving 50s folk singers while my mom was into typical 60 rock (but not that heavily).
I'm in the "in between gen x and millenial" range and both are full of cringe shit really. There seems to be some sort of push to revitalize gen x'ers lately too but they still stunk up the joint, some of the worst cartoons and animated movies known to man were produced in the 90s-00s when they took over. A lot of the "ironic humor" talked about in OP's video is a direct reaction to the stale decades old archetypes they were filling TV programming with.
How about you stop playing video games and pick up a football for once.
>34
>still feel 21 because I don't have a wife, kids or any real responsibilities
>don't get much sun or stress so I can still pass for an older zoomer
I know ot won't last and my midlife crisis will probably hit me like a sack of hammers, but I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts
I feel you, man, but I'm 31 & bald, so I can't pass as a zoomer, but I have the same freedom. I am happy for people who genuinely want the family life, but it's always looked like a prison, to me.
35 bald with a wife and a son who’s legit autistic life’s been fuuuuuun. Basically a stay at home dad, like I work but I’m less educated than my wife so I do part time to help with the bills and handle the rugrat. If I could change anything I would’ve joined the army after highschool.
I'm glad you found happiness, anon. I wish you the best.
Honestly, same. I like my free time too much.
All but one "family guy" I know hates their life. Maybe when I'm 60 with no family I'll regret it, but it seems like a bullet dodged atm.
All these gen wars are so fricking stupid. I remember when I first got online in the early 2000's it was cool to me to talk to people in their late 20's onward because they had different perspectives and experiences. There's different people in every generation, lumping them in groups seem stupid. Hell, I think no one hates millennials more than other millennials.
This.
But Boomers did ruin everything. It’s true.
Honestly I dislike hating on boomers, too. Most boomers I've met have been fine people, especially boomer fanboys. I fricking love talking about 60's/70's comic/sci-fi.monster movie culture with my friend's dad. The boomers who ruined things were politicians.
>all the examples are white people
Makes you think
Taika Waititi filled the last Thor movie with this kind of writing
Kiwis only have a cultural identity when they want to be victims. Taiki is a hack.
Almost like they're devoid of any form of culture outside of consumptive practices
Can't you write down the point you're trying to make yourself.
At least pretend like you're not letting some youtuber make up your opinions for you.
Is this another one of those one trick pony Critical Drinker type channels where he compalins about "woke culture" in modern shows and movies?
It annoys me how he says "writing" instead of "dialogue"
Dialogue is a part of writing.
Yeah but all of his criticisms is about the dialogue.
But the attitude of not taking anything seriously and everything needing quips permeates throughout the story where it affects all parts of the writing.
Yes but it's still about dialogue.
If you made a documentary specifically about pallas cats you probably don't wanna market it as a documentary about "felines".
Sometimes i feel like spending past few months learning/practicing screen writing and learning all the structure/setups/payoffs/flaws/etc is a waste when stuff in OP is something that gets made as a real commercial product....
E-celeb threads and their creators need to die to death
Not even about an e-celeb. This is about the current style of writing that plagues entertainment
Anonthy Birch is responsible for a bit of it.
Biggest thing I took from this video was that apparently Borderlands has a story that people paid attention to? I remember playing the first one and part of the second one but I could not tell you a damn thing that happened in the "story."
Some people like me compulsively pay attention to it and notice if its bad but good on you for being able to "turn your brain off" like a npc, even acting like you dont know whats going on around you.
Kys
No.
The writing for cartoons, games, and even half of live-action movies and comics is trash, new or old. It doesn't matter what generation's doing the scripts or stories. It's why they're usually held up by aspects outside of that, like animation or music, or cute girls (or even guys as of late for some audiences and whatnot.
>things are bad because.... they just are
I only said the writing is. Read the latter half of my post for the good thing people often pay more attention to.
At least Milennials don’t rely on ecelebs and the Youtube algorithm to tell them what to think lmao
>Say it with me, Rock-a-Doodle sucked
They rely/relied on Twitter and Tumblr, just like the zoomers and few late X'ers.
I thought this dude was mostly an Halo youtuber, when did he branched off to other niches?
Society does tend to push people to adulthood way to fast. It's all an excuse to force people ultimately into parenthood before they have time to really think it over or even decide if it's right for them. It's some kind of travesty now to say, "you know what? Bringing another life into the world and giving up my own dreams and desires just doesn't seem right for me." Like this is a bad thought to have in your head. It all comes back to pushing people blindly into breeding and nothing more.
I wouldn't say too fast but too abruptly. From one year to another people go from having their parents take care of their needs to being expected to be completelty self-reliant.
I think college does help smooth over that transition period but I just mean by the time you're 30 if you aren't married with kids or planning on it in the near future you are somehow behind. How? That only about 10 years of your already short life that you can hypothetically have fun and be free. Then right away around 28 but even sooner for some you're suppose to revert right back to the suburban hell of family life? You can't blame us for wanting to extend our personal pursuits or forgoing traditional family life entirely for our passions. This is where the tired "I hate my wife" midlife boomer humor comes from. Never got a chance to discover yourself, never got to really be you. No wonder life feels too short.
Married people tend to be happier. Specially women. Women on their late 30s and 40s who are unmarried are the unhappiest and they tend to follow your idea of "finding oneself and freedom".
But truth is that the ACTUAL chances of forming a family ARE on your early 20s, after that you will have a harder and harder to conceive. This is literally how humans work.
Nope sorry, studies definitely state otherwise for childless couples. Now that's someone that's found a stable partner which I do find worth having but again, would never pressure on anyone that doesn't want to pair bond. I'm guessing you aren't American though and wasn't taught the virtue of perusing ones own personal happiness and fulfillment. I sure as hell glad I left my rinky dink town to pursue art. But at the end of the day, I'm not telling you NOT to live traditionally, you just got realize its not the blueprints for happiness for everyone and children should be exposed and encourage to live how they see fit as they mature. If you can't find a partner and a way to settle down, that's on you bud.
>Nope sorry, studies definitely state otherwise for childless couples
Not really.
>I'm guessing you aren't American though and wasn't taught the virtue of perusing ones own personal happiness and fulfillment.
What you consider happiness and fulfilling is a social construct that latches on you due to propaganda and socialization.
> children should be exposed and encourage to live how they see fit as they mature.
Impossible, because people don't make choices and beliefs out of thin air. They are taught and influenced by the society around them, and there are several ways to manipulate those.
>Not really.
so your response is "Nu-Uh" Great, real thoughtful
>What you consider happiness and fulfilling is a social construct that latches on you due to propaganda and socialization.
You cannot explain to me what gives me fulfillment, you can only try to convince me my thoughts have been "brainwashed" into me. Funny, never once have I tried saying your desires aren't valid...hmmm
>They are taught and influenced by the society around them, and there are several ways to manipulate those.
Kinda like what the right does with the "Scare" statistics on happiness. Almost like I said, expose children to different ways of living and have them decide.
>so your response is "Nu-Uh"
Girl, I'm just reaffirming my position, you are the one who went "nu-uh"
>You cannot explain to me what gives me fulfillment
I'm not explaining what gives you fulfillment, I'm explaining to you how society builds the idea of fulfillment and how that works.
> you can only try to convince me my thoughts have been "brainwashed" into me.
That's the thing, I'm not saying that. You are as "brainwashed" as any other society to ever exist, you just call yours "freedom" because it's what your envirement tells you to feel. It wouldn't be different from any other society and place.
>Kinda like what the right does with the "Scare" statistics on happiness
Exactly, and the left does the same by claiming that following what they say will "bring happiness", but statistics don't quite show that being true.
>Almost like I said, expose children to different ways of living and have them decide.
And I said that doing that doesn't really work, because kids will more likely go with whatever brings them more high status, material power or respect among their peers, as well as whatever is more common around them. You act like they pick things in a void, but thats not how it works
I never said anything about a void, I'm saying if you have a world that looks down on women for having careers they'll have kids without really thinking about and vise versa. You can have a world that exposes kids two both lifestyles if both are accepted in society. You brought up the "Statistics" first so YOU show receipts. Ultimately you just wanna dance around the topic of "I know what's best for strangers" but you're smart enough at least to know that's a losing man's game so you won't be brave enough to go there. It's just such a silly battle to have at the end of the day.
>I think college does help smooth over that transition
Well, not all go to college.
>That only about 10 years of your already short life that you can hypothetically have fun and be free. Then right away around 28 but even sooner for some you're suppose to revert right back to the suburban hell of family life? You can't blame us for wanting to extend our personal pursuits or forgoing traditional family life entirely for our passions. This is where the tired "I hate my wife" midlife boomer humor comes from. Never got a chance to discover yourself, never got to really be you. No wonder life feels too short.
I don't know that feel.
Alot of people out there that don't even get a shot at suburban family life. Or self-discovery or whatever.
You're just stuck rotting.
The hell are you talking about?
You are living on the most childless and sexless generation to ever exist according to actual data. More than half of the countries of the world have a population deficit and nobody does anything to change that - rather you get push for "finding yourself" and "working" over actually forming a family, abortion is also promoted as a way to prevent families from forming.
People are not pushed "blindly into breeding" it's the opposite. It's also not "pushing people into adulthood", it's people being pushed into adolescence beyond their 20s.
I don't disagree that we are living in a more freeing time. I'm saying its silly for the world to blame us for wanting this freedom. You can't expect someone to form a life they aren't ready for/ never want. We need to now find better ways of handling a new way of population trends instead of trying to push against freedom again.
There is no such thing as "freedom" without influence around you forming your ideals and views of what "freedom" is. You don't make choices in a void.
The culture is not pushing more "freedom" it's pushing certain sets of behaviors and beliefs, and calling that "freedom".
>We need to now find better ways of handling a new way of population trends instead of trying to push against freedom again
Okay.....so what is your proposal of dealing with a society that glorifies being childless, not forming families, and a lack of honesty in media?
But no one is pushed into a life of "blindly into breeding". It's actively discouraged. You're not being persecuted, you're mindset is more likely to be celebrated in modern society.
Tell that to most family gatherings. Most people still sneer at childfree folks blindly
nah I still get funny looks from people when I say I'm not interested in getting married or having kids
>Boohoo not every single person I meet validates all my life choices, this means that I am right and society pushes for it rather than the opposite
You ever think that your picture of the world and the beliefs of normal everyday people might be contaminated by dramatic larpers on Cinemaphile? Most people think that having a kid is the most meaningful thing you can do in life and those who don't do it are selfish failures and the only ones spared of this harsh judgment are the mentally/physically disabled.
At the least those people show their moron hand by having these beliefs.
>nooo you're not allowed to complain that society actively harasses you to shack up feminazi goblins and produce more proles for the evil globalist system!!
have a nice day
Modern society pushes people (both male and female) into the work force so hard we don't actually have time to make close relationships, start families, or have children. Nobody is forcing you to shack up with a "feminazi goblin" to produce more worker drones, you are that. And if the globalist system wants more they'll just import more migrants
>I'm saying its silly for the world to blame us for wanting this freedom
This reminds me of a quote
It was something like "Some women got tricked into thinking that spending time and working for a random boss is freedom, while working for their own family is slavery"
So what if you're a woman that truly doesn't want to be a mom? And humor me and don't just say I'm lying to myself to get out of this question. Really? What about her life hurts you badly?
Women don't know what's best for them. I've seen so many women in my life get into relationships with obvious psychopaths and narcissists but you were to question their choice of partner they get pissy af. Fastforward a little bit and wallah, disaster all over.
Thanks for letting me know you surround yourself with idiots.
>Thanks for letting me know you surround yourself with idiots.
Based misogynist reply
Men make even dumber partner choices in simping for toxic mega-c**ts
For most men it's that or being alone
>So what if you're a woman that truly doesn't want to be a mom?
I think it's pretty sad, to dislike life so much that you don't want to share it with somebody else, and that this mindset is more.often than not result of your envirement pushing you to that view.
But most childless women DID want to have children according to actual data. What actually happens is that they try to "find themselves" or "focus on career" and when they realize they have wasted their lives on work and can't conceive anymore.
Actually here is a pretty great documentary about the subject:
I really can't buy the idea that society is "pushing you to form a family" when literally the entire world has people having fewer families, fewer children and becoming more isolated
Is that the only measure of enjoying life? I can't express my love for life through art? A partner? I honestly encourage you to really think about what it means to think it's "Sad" to see someone make a choice different from you. When I see someone that wants to just be a stay-at-home mom I don't find it sad that they don't want to explore the world, I'm happy they found their own way. It's called being confident in your own belief system.
>Is that the only measure of enjoying life?
No, but it's a very important one.
>I can't express my love for life through art? A partner?
You can but how having a child prevent you from loving art or your partner? Couldn't you end up discovering an entirely new form of love to share on your art or with your partner?
>what it means to think it's "Sad" to see someone make a choice different from you.
No offense, but most people adamant on being childless that I have meet have horrible views of the world implying that it's better "to not exist than experience it" or that think that slaving their life to a corporation is more worthwhile than forming bonds with family, and that I find pretty sad
>I'm happy they found their own way. It's called being confident in your own belief system.
To be honest I don't want to offend you or anything, if you are happy you are happy, I just disagree with your view and I'm explaining why.
You do realize having a kid puts everything on the sidelines. I'm a fulltime artist. I don't WANT to give that up. That's what gives me fulfillment, happiness, ect. I have never enjoyed the company of children, why? I like discussions like this. Thoughts on politics, art, zoology and history. I don't wanna teach someone how to take a shit. I don't want to have to explain what a stop sign is. You seems a bit more charitable than most Cinemaphile anons so please at least humor me with this.
I like most foods right? Right. But Eggplant. HATE THAT SHIT. Always have. Almost every year someone tells me "nah anon, you just haven't had it right you gotta try my X. I do. It sucks. The person may be a great cook, I'm a great cook, but at my core I hate the taste. There's nothing that's gonna change that, its my being my core. Now is this a perfect analogy? No. Because unlike eggplant I can just toss in the trash, a CHILD, a human being cannot be once its here, and I think it's really unbelievable that people think TELLING me I just don't know love, I need to try it once is anything close to MY truth. Notice the MY. I'm sorry you haven't met nice childfree people but trust me, we exist and are very happy with our decision.
I think its fair to have that preference, but at the same time a child is a person, right? So saying you hate children is sort of like someone saying they hate people in general. Its misanthropic, and if you own it, sure, but even misanthropes eventually meet people they enjoy the company of.
That's a stretch man. I think you can say if I as an adult wanted to "make friends" with children most people would rightly raise an eyebrow to that. Unless its your kid or your kids friend or you are an educator, there really is no reason to desire the company of children if you don't want them. There brains are not developed. You can't hold a meaningful conversation with them. That being said I do love conversations with random people irl or online. I have never really had depression or a disgust for life. In fact one of the reasons I don't want kids is that I don't want to give my life away. It's mine to enjoy and do what I like with.
>there brains are not developed. You can't hold a meaningful conversation with them.
Just saying as someone who babysits a lot this definitely isn't the case. Frick man, you go outside and there are kids that swear like sailors and talk about the same shit adults do just without any real experience to back anything up, half the people on this site are one hundred percent underage, and its like people forgot that literally every one of us have been kids and that for as moronic as we were we werent these totally innocent lambs to the slaughter.
I'm not shitting on you for not wanting to have kids, nobody with any sense wants people who don't want kids to raise kids, I just think some of your assumptions going into your reasoning for it aren't well founded and coming at it from an angle that isn't letting you see a bigger picture of human experience beyond yourself.
Not that poster but do you yourself have kids?
>I just think some of your assumptions going into your reasoning for it aren't well founded and coming at it from an angle that isn't letting you see a bigger picture of human experience beyond yourself.
Really? Because I'm not saying other people don't find that as a great fulfillment, I'm saying it's NOT my ideal of the human experience. Seems like the one that can't respect and accept another person's happiness is missing the big picture.
Also I'm talking about kids mostly. I actually do like teens more than most people.
>In fact one of the reasons I don't want kids is that I don't want to give my life away.
People here who fantasize about becoming parents imagine that being a parent is putting your mini-me on your shoulders and running around and having fun everyday. Ironically by failing to realize what a serious personal cost and duty being a parent is they aren't giving parents of the world the credit they deserve.
Nobody here is "fantasizing being a parent" neither are them failing to realize the personal cost. The fact is that your requirements and paranoias about it - are - not - normal. Never on world history have people being so autistic about "being rich and having a idealized perfect life before having kids", in those cases what happens the most is that you grow old alone.
I'd be curious to see if your artwork is as roastiecore as I imagine it to be
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. What if I was to tell you I was a /JAZZ/ poster too?
What if you did?
I'm sure it's because you actually enjoy the music and not because you're narcissistically appropriating the aesthetic surrounding it.
No lol. Like Jazz Jennings threads on Cinemaphile
And I don't fricking know who that is.
Also
>posting on Cinemaphile
already a red flag
You don't sound so nice to me, so you're not helping your case here
Africa is the only continent that still has a massively growing population. Everywhere else is growing purely because of momentum they've accumulated over the last few decades that's beginning to slow down. Eventually Africa will be the only continent with actual population growth, and everywhere else will start shrinking. So I guess African zoomers are the only ones having sex, lmao.
>Eventually Africa will be the only continent with actual population growth
Not according to the statistics, they will just enter population decline slower than the developed world
It really does not, society wants you to be as young as long as you can. Our biology makes us pretty much adults as soon as we can breed, it's societal parameters that tell us otherwise. And we've coddled people in their 20's way more than any other point in history.
We only live for 80 years, why wouldn't anyone want to enjoy that time for as long as possible?
>Society does tend to push people to adulthood way to fast.
Modern society? You're crazy, if anything its pushed childhood far past the norm into the mid 20s. Rewind the clock even a hundred years and 18 year olds would have far more life experience than adults of today
The issue isn't that modern society pushes people into adulthood too fast, its that it doesn't do anything to prepare them for it. American education in the past 20 years has massively de-valued critical thinking and life skills and overvalued memorizing specific facts to pass a test. So you spend your formative years learning a specific set of test-taking skills that are your only metric for success, and then suddenly you get thrust out into the world and told to 'be and adult', except now you never have to take a Spanish test again and suddenly everything you've been trained to do for the past decade is worthless. A switch gets flipped and you're expected to deal with an entirely different set of conditions, and nothing you have been taught up until now is in any way useful. School doesn't teach you how to do your taxes or balance your checkbook, it taught you logarithms and how to do multiple choice questions for chapters of books you didn't actually read.
So when these students get thrust out into the 'real world', they immediately get overwhelmed and feel like too much is being asked of them all at once because they they haven't been prepared for anything but more school. Going to college buys them more time to figure shit out but it doesn't really solve the problem and the fact of the matter is that most college degrees are not at all worth the debt you accrue getting them. Not a lot of call for someone with a degree in Film Studies.
>its that it doesn't do anything to prepare them for it
Though I don't disagree that public schools are absolutely rotten and are behind the ball about 20 years in what actually makes a person competitive in the economic market today, I think a large part of the blame that no one talks about fall on the Parents. The Parents of today do such a huge disservice to their kids. Many of them treat them like housepets and just sit them in front of a screen. Most seem to have abdicated their responsibility to teach their kids life skills and lessons (I.e financial management, wood working skills, sex ed) to the government and teachers and then get upset when they're taught things they don't agree with or aren't taught at all. The government and the culture has succeeded in turning everyone far more infantile than the people who were around a century ago
A lot of parents took for granted that school would produce functional people because thats how they remember it working when THEY went to school. People didn't realize how worthless public education had become after No Child Left Behind until we saw the results for ourselves, and by that point an entire generation of forever-children was already out in the wild.
>Another "I'm so not like other Milenials" Minenial who's terminally online
Jesus these people are stuck in 2016
Ya I hate Josh Wheaden/Rick and Morty humour too but fricking Hell have sex
I have sex and I still hate this shit. also hate how people who are likely sexless 19 year olds tell me to do something I was already going to do but oh well haha
it's not an issue of assigning any one generation or not to a type of writing.
it's just the gutless way to say "this is homosexual".
homosexual looking character delivering homosexual dialogue written by homosexual people.
This guy gets it. You can say "save the traditional family" in a homosexual as way the same way you can say "trans women are women" in a homosexual ass way.
Generations are meaningless designations with no clear lines of demarcation made up by homosexual sociologists trying to rationalize their useless degrees. Why elae would someone born a full decade after the baby boom be considered a "baby boomer"?
But anon you can so easily put the proles against one another through generational conflict, think how easy it will be to sell products or sow discontent!
I mean, yeah, ultimately it's just trying to create disaffection to sell a pre-made identity to people.
>The term "generation x" was invented by market researchers in the 50s
oh boy its a Cinemaphile thread about the differing tastes of generations with discussions about biopower sprinkled on it
What the frick is biopower?
the discussions in this thread about the "rationale" for either getting married and having kids or NOT getting married and having kids is an example of biopower or biopolitics.
so reproduction politics?
partly. biopower is institutions defining life and regulating and maintaining the individual's goals. when we do things "freely" we are actually acting out biopower. when we decide to have kids (or not), when we choose the types of food we eat, the type of medicine we take, the type of sex we have, we are all acting out some kind of internal rationale that was prescribed to us by biopower.
I think it's deeply unhealthy to conceptualize the world as power structures. Especially as ones that can and should be taken down and/or manipulated. Nothing good has come from this line of thinking.
>I think it's deeply unhealthy to conceptualize the world as power structures. Especially as ones that can and should be taken down and/or manipulated.
Even the desire to change and modify the soup that engulfs and creates you is just biopower. Biopower is not something you can wield or even escape. Biopower is understanding the individual as a historical entity.
'88 here. Anybody else feel like everything has been more or less the same since 2007? The 80's and 90's and to a certain extent the early 2000's have their own identity, but nothing from the last 16 years feels like it belongs to a distinct decade. We have more "content" than ever before but it just feels like noise
well I think the 10's has managed to distinguish itself
Technically those all stem from Adventure time which appeared as a pilot in 2007.
Adventure time somewhat sums up what the 2010's became honestly
>minimalist art style
>a decent trickle of lolramdumb quirky humor
>goes from simple adventures to deep diving into lore and will they/wont they love triangles
>main hero sidelined for the strong girls
show a single AT character that looks like that
But if you had to ask yourself what is 2010s fashion, what would come up in your mind? All I can think of is the dorky glasses and flannel "hipster" look from 2011, otherwise all that comes to mind is either minimalist, fake-retro chic or just dressing like a bum like Billie Eyelash
To me 2010's fashion is distinctly "normie", jeans, plain shirts and hoodies, plain sweaters and sneakers
And if you wanted to be quirky you dyed your hair and put on a popculture reference shirt or flanell
Yeah, but all that was already there in 2004
So it's literally just being an NPC? It's like how todays Mercedes' and Bentleys' look no different from a Lexus or a fricking Chrysler 300. Why has minimalism cursed everything in design for the past decade or so?
Marketability, greed and lazyness, corporations want wide appeal and as recyclable, low effort products as possible
Guy fashion barely changes, girls will be able to distinguish months of a year from fashion trends.
>shaved sides + side comb
>danger hair color
>punkish clothing/acessories
Did Katy Perry define an entire decade or was she just a product of it?
I knew girls with hair like that in high school in 2005.
Who ever looked like that in real life? Ive never seen anyone with that cut outside of a couple celebrities and a bunch of video game characters.
Not all people in the 80's had giant permed hair either
You can look at random crowd photos and many of them did though
>be Gumball
>use dozens of different styles, types of animation, and even live action backgrounds and character made from an upside down face
>utilize them all seamlessly without feeling too jarring from the other
>get called CalArts slop
Please stop roping Gumball into the same category as those other shows.
Its crazy how little fanfare gumball gets despite it being so darn good
We need more Terry bullying
How likely is it that Zoomer led media will be better?
I can't believe millennials ruined writing.
itt: """"writing""""
>character design is"writing"
>actor ad lib is "writing"
>on the nose game objectives are "good"
>characterization is "bad"
>verbosity is "bad"
>exposition is "bad"
This is more of Cinemaphile related video. What is it doing here on Cinemaphile?
>zoomies still think they're the youngest
reminder that the oldest gen a are now in their teens
The oldest Gen A is 10 years old. Not quite.
Im glad people are starting to notice this and give it a name, it really needs to stop, yesterday.
I turned that video off when it started to go on a lengthy tangent about Borderlands though.
And like a zoomer you completely miss
Maybe it's because I'm in college, but I've never noticed any real disconnect between zoomers and millenials. People are the same as they've always been. Just louder now because all those video games blow our ear drums out.
millennials don't have parasocial garbage
Unless you're into Matt Lauer.
I enjoyed it.
I see this thread has many posts, however, I will not be watching that video
you should check out this one too
This is stupid. If you want to make an argument about broad trends in how things are written, don't center it on a tiny selection of videogames almost universally reviled for their abnormally awful writing. Not worth the ten minutes it took to watch it at double speed.
You say they're reviled, yes, but they seem to be spreading like a malignant virus, as seen with other recent games (like Forspoken and High on Life) . Even the GOOD games are getting infected with mild strains. (Hi-Fi Rush)
It's as if all the writers come from the same block.
>they seem to be spreading like a malignant virus
Yes, this is literally the "fellow kids" joke. You just realized this is just the same corny hack shit that's been happening when old people write "for the kids".
You sound hysterical.
Not wrong though.
>10 minutes in
>hasn't made a point, just talking about specific lines of dialogue from Borderlands and the new SR
>uses Cinemaphile as counterpoints
>uses "we"
Millennial writing is fricking garbage, but this is just as bad. It's like Shapiro shit where it's trying to sound so smart to prove their point, but in turn are doing the same fricking thing as who they're complaining about. Stop wasting my time and stop fricking rambling to sound smarter.
Listen, I'm going to open this video and I will watch it. I'm gonna do that. However, if it starts with a cutesy sing-song joke, a meandering conversation between two annoying people, somebody playing a video game, or a bodily function, I'm going to close it immediately and request someone state the central thesis.
That's just how it is. Wish me luck.
>I'm going to open this video
DON'T DO IT! You have nothing to gain by ending your life like that.
Too late. I'll just never understand it. Video games are the lowest bar for entry anywhere ever. They're designed for everyone to actively engage with, and still zoomers would rather passively engage. That should be the conversation we're all having; How on earth did it get this bad?
t. millennial (ruining writing but competent enough to play his own vidya)
Well, we are living on the generation that thinks all games MUST be accessible (ie. Easy mode being the default and ONLY option) so you tell me.
Video game.
Yah, nah m8. Honestly, how little do you appreciate your life that you have to watch someone playing video, literally cucking out the gaming experience, to be engaged enough to imbibe information?
You do have a problem, but its not millennials.
looks like a lot of millennials got butthurt looking in the mirror
This is more reddit/twitter/terminally online writing. Writers who clearly obsess over and on social media when not working or eating.
Millennial writing is more fanfic-style serialization with cringe self-insert shit. It can (and often does) have cringe reddit social media dialogue, but it's more about the writer thinking they can be the next great world builder like Tolkien or Martin.
Millennial writing is egotistical and self-centered. The Millennial writer isn't here to impress or entertain you. The millennial writer is here to inform you of how evil you are, and how oppressed other people are. The Millennial has tons of social commentary to espouse, but doesn't have an inkling of talent or narrative understanding, so all you get is hamfisted diatribe, empty platitudes, fluffy monologues, and cringe tit for tat arguments where one party is clearly supposed to be in the right.
And, of course, there's always a cringe anime reference or two thrown in somewhere.
The Rite Gud podcast calls this style of writing “Squeecore.”
That about sums it up.
I feel like Strange World is a perfect example of this kind of thing.
Still waiting on an example, since the descriptor you gave fits more of a gen x-er.
ITT: children raised by ipads trying to figure out what it is millennials do
People ITT were probably older than 10 when ipads became a thing, dumbshit. I'll tell you what Millennials did, they complained and b***hed about how life is unfair and how they have to wor- be slaves to corporate giants in order to get their source of income. Anyone born after 1978 is a b***hy homosexual.
Millenials are (brandname) adults and spend all their time complaining about (brandname) reboots
Can anyone name any Cinemaphile examples of this style of writing?
The video is good but it mainly uses Cinemaphile examples.
woke sjw/feminist propaganda ruined these people's ability to write good stories (if they had any to begin with that is.)
Yep, University indoctrination educations ruined them, and Hollywood and video game writer rooms only hire writers indoctrinated with degrees from woke colleges, and they're selected and recruited in to companies by woke indoctrinated HR karens.
Shredded, advertising is against board rules.
Bitching about traditional families won't make people suddenly decide to go have one. A lot people choose not to pursue one.
>wojak
If this ever appears, I'll immediately block it and its channel. No exceptions, ever.
Yeah. Wojak/S.oyjak shit is an automatic no.
Problem is, fans of this writing like Moviebob are part of a large Twitter army that will harass you if you even DARE to make anything that they don't personally approve.
So we're stuck with this forever, or at least until they die out because any attempt at just saying "frick it, I'll do my own thing" and they smell blood in the water. Thanks to Comicsgate and Rippa, they are convinced that attacking anyone who tries to "go agaibst the woke" are fair game. Look at the Hogwarts debacle. Even that wasn't spared and that catered to them 99% of the time.
>Two examples in the OP
>Not even Cinemaphile related
You could make an argument for Marvel movies having this type of writing but this has been around since the 2000s with movies like Shrek. This this type of writing popular with millennials? Sure, you could say that. Did millennials come up with this type of writing? Not by a longshot. This reminds me of the articles from the 2010s
It's not just having jokes. It's the hyper-referential meta humor, refusal to be sincere, refusal to take any non-social issue seriously and other symptons you see in things like Velma. This kind of writing is why people are flocking to things like Anime.
>hyper-referential meta humor
Adding hyper doesn't make it any different from what came before. Tell me the difference between this "hyper-referential meta humor" and stuff like Deadpool and classic Animaniacs.
The 90-100 IQ hipster glaze, Mr conservative
To which does that apply to?
Do you actually think deadpool is the exact same humor style as rick and morty
>big cgi fight time!
Tell me that wouldnt be in Rick and Morty
>Call it millennial writing
>Describe it as surface level, phoned in, and corporatist
>Fail to notice that's just normal shit writing
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Why don't people know what hipsters are anymore? We had a whole franchise about them.
Because hipsters evolved to actual unbearable people who wear Carhartt or Duluth brand clothing who are also... forgive me for saying this... "SJW/WOKE".
>tfw i unironically wear carhartt shit
my excuse though is that i actually work a fricking trade job, so i'm not a poser wearing overalls in a fashion sense.
I have a Carhartt shirt that I got out of a thrift closet when I used to work in wildland firefighting. It’s comfortable and warm.
Scott and his friends were hipster? I thought hipster meant gatekeeping and being elitist around eclectic tastes like single speed bikes, old fashioned mustaches, and manhole photography. They were just geeks who also happen to leave the house and make music.
>hey I learned the baseline to FF6!
Isn't something a hipster would ever say.
It's almost like you don't want to call them city liberals in a negative way because it reveals that you're the one viewing video game referencing young adults in a negative light.
Hipster means a lot of things but the modern sense primarily refers to this sort of glasses wearing know-it-all frickwit and the various things associated with them like skinny jeans and bright colored dyed hair. Gideon is a hipster.
Why don't people know what performative corporatist pandering to whatever their out of touch asses can glean from surface level exposure to their target demographic is anymore more fricking like it.
We have had multiple whole fricking industries about it for fricking centuries.
Pretty much. Never has been in any decade where things are going THEIR way most of the time, and they let tiny things spurr them into wanting to burn it all down. Example: Hogwarts Legacy and NFTs. Oh sure, companies have eradicated every single thing they deem problematic just for the left, yet that's not enough?
If these dipshits were actually "on" anyone's side but their fricking own, the pandering wouldn't be fake surface level bullshit.
Take an example from the fricking video. No, your carbon footprint doesn't fricking matter. Literally nothing you do as an individual would offset pollution from major industries. Individuals are a fraction of the problem even collectively.
These people don't know or care about the fricking bullshit they give lip service to. They're literally just exploiting pop culture to draw in customers. Badly.
And if you feel ignored by them it just means you aren't their fricking prey, not that they aren't on your fricking side.
I'm fricking sick of these schizo /misc/ strawman comics. I don't give a frick about Disney or Hogwarts Legacy or whatever, I just want healthcare and for inflation to go down dude
>This thread is still up
So how much does it cost for mods to let you advertise your own videos?
A lot I guess. Some conservative's video about how "women killed Saturday Morning Cartoons" stayed up for like three days before it archived. Think it was back in 2020.
We're talking about their content, not the content creator.
That's like asking "when will the new babies stop being born"
Also there's been a substancial backlash to self-aware writing recently, especially with Joss Whedon/Justin Roiland
How much of these reactionary channels are just artists/writer who didn't get any success with their creative work, and now just larping as anti-sjw? It's the same what happened with Sargon, jeez
Honestly, at least he laid out something of an argument and didn’t just scream “muh forced diversity” into the mic for 15 minutes.
Less than the ones who are seething breadtubers
>if you don't like my show you are a nazi!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you like this?
Not him but reactionary =/= nazi. Also don't see anything in the video that's explicitly him stating what his politics, just pointing out a genuinely annoying trend in media
Make your own shit.
THEIR writing is garbage.
Don't hate the current state if you refuse to participate in it.
>try to enjoy modern story in any form of media
>it's a hamfisted feminist female empowerment fantasy
>if it's not ruined by feminism its a trite anti-colonial parable
>if it's not about colonialism or feminism it's about pushing socialism
>if it's not any of those, then everything is laced with irony and quippy dialogue because the author is terrified of being sincere
>if it truly doesn't fit into any of the above, you'll never hear about it because the mainstream media only tells you about the above things
>>if it truly doesn't fit into any of the above, you'll never hear about it because the mainstream media only tells you about the above things
Maybe actively seek out stories instead of being some homosexual who just waits for someone else to recommend him something
You first.
It's fiction, anon. Of course they push those things.
If this is the counterweight to annoying center-left Twitter/Reddit humor then you guys have your work cut out for you
Right off the bat this guy is conflating a tweet with Gen Z slang with games and media written by Gen Xers and calling it "Millennial writing". I don't care to watch the rest of the video with this passionless, droning wanker.
millennial bros... zoomers are dabbing on us again
Where do you fall here Cinemaphile?
have a nice day.
I was born 2000. Ask me anything
Gen Alpha starts at like 2010-11, not 2016.
There are definitely under aged Gen Alpha kids posting here already.
My god
You need to die
This chart majorly fails to consider how many of the 80s-90s shows had reruns deep into the 2000s
Because modern media will crucify anyone who DOESN'T make media that THEY approve of. And THEY DO rule over western media. Otherwise, stuff like Velma would never be allowed.
settle down, homosexual
Prove me wrong then. The constant "this isn't allowed anymore" threads paint a very clear picture of what's going on. If that's not true, try making anything remotelyblike the media of old. Then see if you get picked apart for it by Social media and everyone calling you a Nazi because apparently only Nazis like nice things.
>OP video isn't Cinemaphile-related
>Barely any of the discussion is Cinemaphile-related
Any reason why this is being kept up?
You moron this is about the writing style that plagues modern entertainment not the fricker making the video.
>53k subscribers
>gets 100k or more views on average
>channels growing pretty fast will get 100k by the end of the year
>only has 6 patrons
holy shit that low number proves this guys content is ass its funny to see homosexuals like these who think there cool because they use Cinemaphile and are one of us get exposed as bigger loser than the average Cinemaphile degarnte ive seen channels smaller than his get more off patrons
So I take it your stance is "there's nothing wrong with current media at all and you're just evil CHUDS".
i dont like 80% of media that comes out now and i never said anything about the video being wrong im just showing that this guys videos are complete dogshit regardless if he right are not
If it's not paywalled fetish porn why would I drop money for it?
>20 minute video about a greentext talking about how shit Borderlands dialogue is
Impressive
How do Youtubers manage to drag out such little content for this long?
There would have to be dramatic cultural upheaval on par with the fallout social media that created this problem in the first place.
I don't buy western developed games for this reason 1st and foremost and the only reason I watch any of the litany of
>Gender non-conforming girl goes on an otherworldly adventure
is when I just want to hate on something and point out the many clear inspirations taken from anime.
>millenials complaining about millenials
I don't think this guy knows what a millenial is
Why did this video made Cinemaphile seethe so hard?
It's moronic and full of poor logic, which the autistically inclined find difficult to suffer in silence.
ITT:
>millenials
>zoomer
>boomer
>gen x
>pooper
>toorder
Do you anglos speak like this in real life?
You sound a bit mentally deranged to me
I never heard anyone in real life use the term "zoomer" when they mention Generation Z. Just like how no one calls millennials by their real name: Generation Y.
That being said, from my experience no one I talk too cares about generations, we just see each other as people going on about our day and living life the best we can until death inevitably knocks on our door. Generational wars mostly just happen on the internet or any other form of media.
No. No one says this stuff in real-life, unless you're an absolute loser. This stuff is only trendy online because of the "okay boomer" meme that normalgays had 5 years ago. People are wasting their time being petty over shitposts.
No we don't, Cinemaphile is an absolute shithole
These generations are at their foundational essence marketing demographics anyways, the Anglosphere is completely soulless and devoid of genuine humanity
When the majority of writers are Zoomers.
The problem is zero doors were opened if you weren't a lib. It destroyed the market for creativity and innovation
He's right you know