Miraculous Ladybug

So how was the first episode of Season 5?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So anyone save that S5 bible?

    If its true that they defeat HM without EVER finding out who he is, then the HM saga ends with Gabriel effectively dodging all consquences of his actions AND be an anticlimatic ending

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Marinette will know
      Adrien won’t and bible rules state that he shall never do.
      Thomas is not only a shit writer, but a coward one too.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and bible rules state that he shall never do.
        This sentence alone tales any interest I still had for the show.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If anything, only give hopes for the 6th season when the fat frick is finally gone. It’s more than evident Ass Truck is the root of the show’s watering down takes.

          >forces the show to be Marinette only.
          >this includes not letting other characters from getting decently developed if they don’t involve Marinette.
          >Adrien is no exception for the rule.

          >Get told that the show will only be greenlight if they add a male co-protagonist, co-protagonist, with the same importance as the other protagonist.
          >Angrily accept by making Chat Noir the side protagonist, instead of leaving him as a Tuxedo Mask knockoff.
          >Make his Miraculous with the same tier as Ladybug to prove you are going all for it.
          >Turns out it was just a lie: the story is Ladybug’s; the Miraculous that does everything is hers; the cat is only there to walk alongside.
          >Still insist that the show should only focus on Marinette.
          >Adrien only gets his rare 1 minute segments of daddy issues, if not he gets development just to evolve it into a Marinette topic.

          >Set rules in the show.
          >Blatantly say you will ignore them if they block the path, if not, change them out of nowhere as a whole. So nothing matters.

          >The whole Chloe shitfest, in-show, and out-show.

          >Playing too safe for the writing or pulling inventions out of nowhere just because you can’t get creative enough to find a way out.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Add in Felix, give him a role that should have just gone to Adrien in order to give Adrien an actual character and role in the plot.
            Adrien finding out his dad was Hawkmoth, Marinette not believing him the whole season, and the next season Gabriel is in hiding until they beat him would have been nice.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >season 6 and 7 since Assclown will be gone
              will he?

              yes it was already confirmed he's not apart of them

              Yup and don't forget that he's now gonna be directing the new Astro Boy Reboot

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            In another universe, Austric was rejected for writing Ladybug and is stuck at home writing terrible fanfiction (aka the show we got), meanwhile a more competent writer takes the shows helm and has consistent writing, good character devlopment and actually gives Adrien as much time as Ladybug.

            How woudl that play out?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and bible rules state that he shall never do.
        This sentence alone tales any interest I still had for the show.

        [...]

        Unfortunately I see the logic, which is that Adrien finding out will break him and he'll probably never recover like he was. Sure it would be interesting and he'd be a more mature character as a result but the show probably wants him running around having weekly adventures with Ladybug as his usual cheerful self.

        LB finding out would change little, she hates Gabriel anyway so finding out he's a supervillain would probably not remotely be surprising and finding out Marinette is Ladybug would only make Gabriel see her as someone with clout and authority that he not only would see as someone worthy of Adrien but give her blackmail to stop him from wienerblocking their romance. I still hope though that when the show actually is over and Adrien no longer needs to be the dreamy happy teen every week that they go around Astruc's back and reveal it even if it really no longer matters at that point.

        >LB Knows but will never tell Adrien
        >HM gets away with everything
        And that pretty much kills the show, this show unintonially makes keeping secrets a bad thing

        [...]

        Unfortunately I see the logic, which is that Adrien finding out will break him and he'll probably never recover like he was. Sure it would be interesting and he'd be a more mature character as a result but the show probably wants him running around having weekly adventures with Ladybug as his usual cheerful self.

        LB finding out would change little, she hates Gabriel anyway so finding out he's a supervillain would probably not remotely be surprising and finding out Marinette is Ladybug would only make Gabriel see her as someone with clout and authority that he not only would see as someone worthy of Adrien but give her blackmail to stop him from wienerblocking their romance. I still hope though that when the show actually is over and Adrien no longer needs to be the dreamy happy teen every week that they go around Astruc's back and reveal it even if it really no longer matters at that point.

        I want Adrien to find out and be emotionally powerless to stop his father and the hope of getting his mom back.

        Then when all hope seems lost, when Gabriel sees his dream would cost his son the girl that he loves, Gabriel accepts his wife's "death" and gives up rather than rob his son of the joy of marriage to the one he loves by "rebooting" the world.

        As a dad with a wife and son of my own, i feel this would be the real fatherly move to redeem Gabriel in the finale. Show that deep down he cares about his son more than himself. He wanted Adrien to have a mother, but that wasn't what Adrien needed.

        If anything, only give hopes for the 6th season when the fat frick is finally gone. It’s more than evident Ass Truck is the root of the show’s watering down takes.

        >forces the show to be Marinette only.
        >this includes not letting other characters from getting decently developed if they don’t involve Marinette.
        >Adrien is no exception for the rule.

        >Get told that the show will only be greenlight if they add a male co-protagonist, co-protagonist, with the same importance as the other protagonist.
        >Angrily accept by making Chat Noir the side protagonist, instead of leaving him as a Tuxedo Mask knockoff.
        >Make his Miraculous with the same tier as Ladybug to prove you are going all for it.
        >Turns out it was just a lie: the story is Ladybug’s; the Miraculous that does everything is hers; the cat is only there to walk alongside.
        >Still insist that the show should only focus on Marinette.
        >Adrien only gets his rare 1 minute segments of daddy issues, if not he gets development just to evolve it into a Marinette topic.

        >Set rules in the show.
        >Blatantly say you will ignore them if they block the path, if not, change them out of nowhere as a whole. So nothing matters.

        >The whole Chloe shitfest, in-show, and out-show.

        >Playing too safe for the writing or pulling inventions out of nowhere just because you can’t get creative enough to find a way out.

        I REALLY hope they pull something like this for seaosn 6 and 7 since Assclown will be gone

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >season 6 and 7 since Assclown will be gone
          will he?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yes it was already confirmed he's not apart of them

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, but he also said he was leaving after season three and we all saw how true that turned out.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yes it was already confirmed he's not apart of them

            [...]
            [...]
            >LB Knows but will never tell Adrien
            >HM gets away with everything
            And that pretty much kills the show, this show unintonially makes keeping secrets a bad thing

            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            I REALLY hope they pull something like this for seaosn 6 and 7 since Assclown will be gone

            I find Lila really boring. My hopes aren't high unless they give her new character things. Her motivation is she hates Ladybug and that is never going to be anywhere near on par with even badly written Gabriel. Gabriel works because he has autism, he's an adult, and has a real motivation. The shitposts of her being like 40 years old would be the only way she'd actually be fun.

            In another universe, Austric was rejected for writing Ladybug and is stuck at home writing terrible fanfiction (aka the show we got), meanwhile a more competent writer takes the shows helm and has consistent writing, good character devlopment and actually gives Adrien as much time as Ladybug.

            How woudl that play out?

            It’s still a children’s show. It wouldn’t have gone on this long if it didn’t do episodic adventures of the week and didn’t try to target at the 5 – 12 demographic. I’d say it would still need a lot of that. Season 1 was written really quickly in about three months, so it would probably stay around what it is. They’d probably try to keep the show more gender neutral similar to Code Lyoko so more Nino. Maybe he gets the peawiener, because I still think he was supposed to (this has been mentioned in these threads before, but the rest of the box didn’t exist in season 1 and all the side characters were color coordinated to their intended miraculous). They’d actually fulfill character arcs they set up in the beginning: Adrien-Nino friendship, Nino trying to help Adrien with his dad, Alya discovering Marinette’s identity early and when Marinette tells her it’s “I know I’ve known for awhile,” less of the entire class having a crush on Marinette, whatever they wanted to do with the Egypt shit in that one episode, if Adrien senti-monster was planned from the beginning giving Adrien Felix’s arc of grabbing the peawiener (probably how Nino gets it), Marinette finds out about Gabriel because she simps over his son and him, Adrien finds out about Hawkmoth because that’s his dad, Chloe has a real reason for disliking Marinette, etc. I assume these would be the arcs not because I want them, but because these were plot points set up, but that nothing was ever done with.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Thats the problem with the show they never decided if they want an episodical series with the villiain of the week or more serious series with deep lore

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It was fine for the first three seasons then pivot to serialized storytelling from then on out.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I want Adrien to find out and be emotionally powerless to stop his father and the hope of getting his mom back.

        Then when all hope seems lost, when Gabriel sees his dream would cost his son the girl that he loves, Gabriel accepts his wife's "death" and gives up rather than rob his son of the joy of marriage to the one he loves by "rebooting" the world.

        As a dad with a wife and son of my own, i feel this would be the real fatherly move to redeem Gabriel in the finale. Show that deep down he cares about his son more than himself. He wanted Adrien to have a mother, but that wasn't what Adrien needed.

        Yep. Adrien should learn that his father is Hawkmoth, have a real internal struggle between his family and his duty, then realize he doesn't have to compromise one side for the other. Adrien stops fighting and consoles Gabriel about Emilie- he misses her too. The two need to talk it out.

        Marinette also realizes her superhero life shouldn't come at the expense of her civilian life and comes out to her parents. It would really help if they knew what their daughter was going through.

        Really, that should be the whole theme of the entire show- we need to open up and be vulnerable to our loved ones. Secret identities are important in the public eye, but nobody should be alone.

        From then on, Marinette and Adrien should know each other's secret identities, but instead of dating, every interaction the two have is just awkward because neither of them have any idea on how to handle it. The two still love each other, but after all the shit Adrien just went through maybe give him some breathing room.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe have them slowly get over it over time and then offically get together for real in the final episode?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yup. Really go into will-they-or-won't-they territory. They know each other, they love each other, yet they still aren't together because they're teenagers still trying to figure things out.

            Let's make things even more awkward- Adrien finds out how much of an obsessed stalker Marinette is and have Adrien say all these cheesy one-liners to Marinette. Now you have an arc of the two accepting each other's eccentricities.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Adrien won’t and bible rules state that he shall never do.
        That the most interesting plot point I refuse to believe their that stupid

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Thomas is awesome writer. Every project, which had his involvment became a worldwide success. He's a profesionalists with a talent to make sucessful serieses, in opposite to Zag

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Marinette will know
      Adrien won’t and bible rules state that he shall never do.
      Thomas is not only a shit writer, but a coward one too.

      Unfortunately I see the logic, which is that Adrien finding out will break him and he'll probably never recover like he was. Sure it would be interesting and he'd be a more mature character as a result but the show probably wants him running around having weekly adventures with Ladybug as his usual cheerful self.

      LB finding out would change little, she hates Gabriel anyway so finding out he's a supervillain would probably not remotely be surprising and finding out Marinette is Ladybug would only make Gabriel see her as someone with clout and authority that he not only would see as someone worthy of Adrien but give her blackmail to stop him from wienerblocking their romance. I still hope though that when the show actually is over and Adrien no longer needs to be the dreamy happy teen every week that they go around Astruc's back and reveal it even if it really no longer matters at that point.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the reason why the show had adrien figure out his dads identity in 3 random timelines was because it won’t actually happen

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >each one of those timelines is doomed to some extent

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >3 random
          Cat Blanc, Ephemerial, and what else?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I want Adrien to find out and be emotionally powerless to stop his father and the hope of getting his mom back.

        Then when all hope seems lost, when Gabriel sees his dream would cost his son the girl that he loves, Gabriel accepts his wife's "death" and gives up rather than rob his son of the joy of marriage to the one he loves by "rebooting" the world.

        As a dad with a wife and son of my own, i feel this would be the real fatherly move to redeem Gabriel in the finale. Show that deep down he cares about his son more than himself. He wanted Adrien to have a mother, but that wasn't what Adrien needed.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed. This was what I thought would be the natural and best end to Gabriel's story. I thought it was the most obvious choice and I still can't believe we aren't getting it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Marinette effectively gets Gabriels blessing by Blackmailing him
        That..doesn't sound like a really happy ending, it's essentially a connection forged on distrust and betrayal. The fact that she'll keep his secret means it's only gonna be 100x worse if Adrien does ever find out. It reminds me of the finale of Santa Inc.

        Well the fat hack isn't in seasons 6 and 7 so they could salvage it somewhat hopefully

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, this is one of my main issues with it. On every level imaginable it is ridiculous. It creates a web of lies that will explode horribly if it is ever revealed. Which, if that is what they we're going for, would even potentially be cool. I still think Lila is a shit villain, even if I still enjoy her, but it would be a great weapon at her disposal if as she's about to lose to Ladybug and Cat Noir she outs Ladybug as having kept this secret. The kind of confrontation that would bring out almost would make this shit worth it. But since the bible says Adrien will never find out we already know that is impossible. Seriously, how did no one in the writing team realize this was a shit way to end the main villain plot line?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah there is still a lot of time of when that happens plans always change in long series

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >But since the bible says Adrien will never find out we already know that is impossible.
            Up to series 5, yes, but that could change for future series. In fact, that sort of plot twist is exactly the sort of game-changer that could be used for a future series premier or two-part finale.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            One of the themes of the show sho Do have been some secrets aren’t worth keeping

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Exactly. That's why I'd want to see some more of these secrets be brought to light. Either by force or intentionally.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    found the bible on an old thread

    https://files.catbox.moe/7irdr6.pdf

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      whoops thats the french version, heres the english

      https://files.catbox.moe/1auemy.pdf

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Chat got to do something cool for once

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yea that was nice cool costume I liked when he poked his dead father with the stick.

      Is it good yet?

      people seemed to like this one I thought it was super messy but still fun. Need to watch in ENglish to get a better grasp of everything.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i don't believe you, i bet he still is just idiot weakling compared to mary sue strong wyman ladybug

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He became Rabbit Noir and his unification with the bunny actually looked good (unlike Marinette's)

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is it good yet?

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >every thread is gonna start with the leak now
    cursed timeline

    anyway i desperately need the bug and the cat to make out

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Episode 23

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        elaborate

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          they make out apparently in that episode.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            we've got cat blanc, dark cupid, oblivio, neither of which are episode 23 of anything afaik

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No, I mean season 5, Adrienette first official kiss is in episode 23

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                oh shit, thanks anon. was that in the bible? i didn't read it

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah.
                Zoe is gay for Marinette. Gets the Black Cat Miraculous for the two parter because Plagg chooses her (Tikki goes to Alya) so Adrienette have a date without any superhero stuff in the way. Zoe still gets akumatized in the second half of the two parter

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Zoe gets cucked so hard, she gets Akumatized.
                OK, that's funny.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't that already happen with the artist kid in season 1?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >still gets akumatized in the second half of the two parter
                Really? She can't even hold on to the Miraculous long enough to not get Akumatized? Damn it Zoe. I'm guessing this is how she loses it then. Though I'm not sure why her and Alya even got them in the first place.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The Kwami's Choice is just Tikki and Plagg choosing temp LB and CN heroes so Adrienette can have a date without superhero duty interfering.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Supposedly it was going to be for the long haul, so they can get together without the hero baggage at all but obviously it will be reverted by the end since only the duo as they are can save the day. At least Alya gets another shot in a later episode

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      God...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I love these edits.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why wouldn't Adrien want to colonize that, especially if her can train the prostitutes into good breeder sows.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Needs an Adrien version.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What do Marinette's feet smell and taste like? How do they look like? Basing my decision of watching this show on that? If you have input in other female characters too, the better.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Still waiting.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I find it kinda cute how Alix's father knew about Bunnyx since future her sent him photos of her adventures through time

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ALIX IS CANONNICALLY THE b***h OF THE SHOW

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Decide to look up opinions of miraculouscontent on the bible
    >Turns out they're here
    >https://mimimiraculous.tumblr.com/
    Jesus fricking Christ, the salt is even worse than before.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, and here's another lovely bit of salt from them about the bible. These buttholes are literally incapable of being happy.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        damn this blog has been going on for years fricking wild. I can't imagine the hambeast that operates that account. Imagine the fricking smell.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you gays still surprised that this show is poorly written after five seasons?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not surprised by that. I've long since accepted the fact that this show's writing is in the gutter. I'm just baffled at the mental gymnastics at play in the "analysis" these people give.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I actually would have liked it for Gabriel to revive Emilie and we all find out she's a massive stuck-up b***h that wants Gabriel to continue being Hawkmoth so they can remain in control of their fashion empire.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hawkmoth doesn't want absolute power. He'll throw away his miraculous as soon as he gets his wife back.

    Everybody seems to want Gabriel thrown in jail for all the horrible things he did as Hawkmoth, but I would rather see him redeemed. It won't do any good to have him in prison, but it would be great if he could serve as an ally to the heroes. He would be the one to fund a trip to the Miraculous temple to learn more about the Miraculous or convert Emilie's altar into a training ground. No more making Adrien model. He could give Marinette some fashion design opportunities, he could give a park in Emilie's name to the city as a way of apologizing for the panic he set on everybody.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe recognize that he still did a lot of unforgiveable things, and the public won't let him off as easy? So they make a cover story about him being corned and instead of turning himself in, he ends up Catacllysiming him self or something so everyone thinks HM is dead or so?

      I'm proud of Cinemaphile, you guys can actually write things better than an offical writer

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >unforgiveable things
        Hawkmoth did some bad things, but I don't think they were unforgiveable. I'm pretty sure the show would say nobody permanently died from him being Hawkmoth. Death is the only thing you can't undo, so I don't think he's unredeemable. He just has to put more good in the world that it outweighs the bad. I like the idea of him becoming the multimillionaire that looks to the newest generation, specifically the kid superheroes, and uses his wealth and fame to help them. He's not just giving them help as heroes, he's helping the kids achieve their dreams as a way of giving thanks for their service. If Alya wishes she could become a journalist or editor, Gabriel would arrange for her to shadow under Nadja Chamack. Mylene could approach him and get him to donate money to the community theater or protect that park she protested for. Neither Hawkmoth nor Gabriel will get credit for these donations; it's the best way for Gabriel to atone without going to jail or having his secret identity revealed to the public. We know Gabriel isn't a bad guy and hopefully now that he has seen the error of his ways he could do some good for once instead of hiding out in his monochrome mansion.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >We know Gabriel isn't a bad guy

          Do we? Because last episode he gave up the perfect chance to fix everything without anyone getting hurt or sacrificed because he couldn't get over his rage at two teenagers. It definitely seems like Gabriel is now at least partially motivated by his hatred for LB which is kind of dickish when she's just a teenager protecting the city from his own selfish ambitions.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >It won't do any good to have him in prison

      He'd be punished, which is the most important thing. Wrong doing cannot be tolerated. He'll feel the emotional torment he caused Paris for months on end.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, the most important thing is keeping Paris and the law-abiding public safe. What's going to be better- having Gabriel rot in a jail cell or having Gabriel fund a bunch of public works projects on top of paying millions in taxes a year?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The Agreste fortune and company would logically go the Adrien, which would be an amazing change in the status quo.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They can do both via seizing his assets while also making sure he feels the appropriate pain for what he did

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If Lilah is going to be the new big bad, then what's her endgame? She's never going to get with Adrien and she doesn't want him that badly. What does she want? Wealth? Adoration? Revenge? To make Marinette's life miserable by gaslighting everybody around her to choose her over Marinette? Chloe was seeking to embarrass Marinette, but at least she had other things going on in her life that she'll push aside tormenting Marinette to get what she wants. Lilah could be somebody who is very actively seeking to ruin Marinette's life through lies and manipulation. Is Lilah somebody who will make it her life's work to take down Marinette and Ladybug? It would be interesting if Lilah wants to make Ladybug's secret identity public to get revenge on her. What if the series ended with Lilah leaking everybody's secret identities to the city, forcing Marinette to recall all the Miraculous (including Lilah's), give the Miracle Box to a city that needs superheroes, and renouncing her title as guardian, meaning she'll forget her entire double life. Then you can have the conclusion that all the kid miraculous holders have exciting lives to return to and Lilah just wasted her teen years on revenge and has no future or life.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Lila just wants attention and to feel important, and why wouldn't she get that as being a supervillain?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >What does she want? Wealth? Adoration? Revenge? To make Marinette's life miserable by gaslighting everybody around her to choose her over Marinette?
      Yes to all of those.
      She's a weak character who the writers have to make everybody around her except Marinette dumber to believe her lies, but unlike Gabriel the writers don't try to make us believe her horrible actions deserve to be excused.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. They probably can't wait to make the switch because unlike the baggage and complications Gabriel ads Lila can just be an evil b***h Marinette can foil every episode without any remorse.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think the show should've just stuck to the first 7 Miraculous it revealed. No more.
    And, while you're at it, wrap it up in 3 seasons.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, we really didn't need more and even now all the other miraculous holders don't have any development.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So anons... who put a Miraculous Box in Antarctica?

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, Lila's backstory is getting ridiculous now.

    She somehow convinced three different women that she's their daughter?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A butterfly farmer is gonna be number 4 anon mark my words

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Are people still in denial about Adrien being a sentimonster?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sure.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even if he is, he'll never find out about it since they're adamant he not realize anything about the truth of what's going on.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I mean its pretty much 100% confirmed right?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Was it confirmed in the leaked document?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No. Only that Adrien learns a terrible secret that he's reluctant to tell Marinette. And it can't be about HM because the document says he's never going to find out about that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If Adrien finds out he's a sentimonster and doesn't believe his dad is Hawkmoth then he truly is the dumbest character in the show.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's Felix who is a sentimonster

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        i also think it's felix because how else does he know about the peawiener miraculous

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Really? I don't even really believe in the theory but I do see there are a decent amount of hints it was Adrien. Like with Wishmaker just turning him into himself with being "whatever his parents wanted him to be" as his dream and all that ring stuff Gabriel was doing in season four.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Its either this or Astruc is a falseflagging moron that cares more about tricking the fans than writing his own show.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't be surprised if it was all just a big red herring because Astruc thinks he's clever.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What if in season 6 we get an episode that's Timetagger from future Hawk Moth (Lila?), Ladybug and Cat Noir's POV?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You mean like Origin of Timetagger or Nino's bro drops in the past again?

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm curious about how the Butterfly and Peawiener Miraculouses are supposed to be used for good. From what we've seen on-screen so far, they've only been used as instant villain dispensers. Would it really be so bad if one or both of them were used by the heroes for a season, or even just an episode, just so we have a better source of their good potential than Nooroo's and Duusu's "dude trust me"?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      butterfly makes superheroes and the peawiener just makes a little buddy to attack bad guys for you

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's all good to say that is so, but has this been demonstrated on the show, even once?

        >You want a pet dog but can't afford to get one
        >Have Peawiener
        >Make Senti dog out of an amok
        >Voila new pet!
        Peawiener really depends on the purpose for creating the senti

        Didn't work out so good for Master Fu, didn't it?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          no because the villains have them and in the butterfly's case will continue to have
          apparently felix is gonna make a sentimonster so we'll see what happens there

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's going to be a frick doll.
            Of whom?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              himself
              >thxvm

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Fu is a moron, so no wonder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >You want a pet dog but can't afford to get one
      >Have Peawiener
      >Make Senti dog out of an amok
      >Voila new pet!
      Peawiener really depends on the purpose for creating the senti

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        For some reason that mask reminds me of something like kabuki makeup.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Cyborg sex doll

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      too much plastic surgery.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed. Which is strange since she's supposed to be a super. I didn't think they'd need that.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I didn't think they'd need that
          she has always been insecure of herself, for how long? 20 years? 30?

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea why anyone thinks Luka gave up on Marinette, or that he's being dropped from the plot. He's training with Su Han, you know the guy who took on both LB and Cat Noir by himself?

    Luka tells Marinette that learning the truth only made him love her more, that's the opposite of him giving up on her. I don't know where the whole "he sees LB and CN are meant for each other" idea comes from, either. There was nothing to suggest that in the episode. He tells Marinette that he loves her more for it, and then apparently leaves to protect the secret. But he clearly plans on returning as soon as he can because he is also training so that he can be on the same level of power, if not more, than LB and CN. If that doesn't suggest that he's going to be really important next season, I don't know what will. It also explains why Kagami is getting a bit of focus this season, because next season is Luka's turn. And Kagami really isn't doing much aside from drama and getting screentime. I think what Luka is doing is far more important plot wise. Luka will always be way more important than Kagami because Marinette is the main character.

    There are new writers for the next two seasons, and they know Luka is popular, so I think he will probably get a lot more focus after this season, probably even be the third protagonist. The current writer is too obsessed with the boring main ship, the new writers will hopefully be better.

    pic related is recent Luka/Marinette official merch. I don't think Kagami and Adrien got any merch.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Nip merch
      Yeeeeah... I doubt nips have any put in the show's writing

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2022 ZAGTOON
        Official and approved merchandise. Not to mention everything else that was brought up. Luka training with Su Han, Gloob making Luka the Brazil character, and Japanese even give official Luka/Marinette merch. Luka is obviously being set up to be the most important character aside from the main two.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        YEHA BUT COOL MERCH THOUGH

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They don't. They just have it because Luka is popular in Japan because he's White and a scene kid pretty boy. They have Nathaniel merch in Japan for god's sake and it's not like he's gonna matter much.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah same with Juleka and she matters even less than Luka

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe it's just me, but Cinemaphile seems unreasonably salty about this show.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I mean
      >progress (both Love Square and Gabe) is at a snail's pace
      >Marinette is not that likable to some
      >Adrien is not that likable to some
      >Adrien gets shafted in relevance despite being a deuteragonist
      >the side characters barely have depth or character focus (the ones who do get that land in the pending department for when something interesting happens)
      >Thomas Astruc vs Chloe Bourgeois debacle
      >Lila being set up as something big (new Hawkmoth) yet barely makes any appearances (season 4 shafting her)
      >Lila's terrible writing
      >Zoe's rather purposeless existence
      >how do you frick up so badly and leak the show bible before the season premiere?
      If they keep the season 5 finale as it is, the salt will be pretty reasonable

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the side characters barely have depth or character focus
        do you know Kim? he is dumb but he has a pure heart, even though he is a background character most of the time the treatment he receives is better than what more important characters get As Alya, he evolves through the seasons, Unlike the others, he is a chosen one of Master Fu like Adrien and Marinette, and has one of the most powerful miracles in existence.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >he is a chosen one of Master Fu like Adrien and Marinette
          Not anymore.

          Production fricked themselves. They unconsciously retcon the decision, now Fu picked Marinette and Adrien based on their meeting in the past.

          Now Kim is his only legit pick

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They unconsciously retcon the decision, now Fu picked Marinette and Adrien based on their meeting in the past
            Anon, are you trying to tell me that they basically retconned the entire first episode? Where he chose them because they helped him?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >he is a chosen one of Master Fu like Adrien and Marinette
              Not anymore.

              Production fricked themselves. They unconsciously retcon the decision, now Fu picked Marinette and Adrien based on their meeting in the past.

              Now Kim is his only legit pick

              This isn’t true. Fu can’t see through their disguises. All he knows is that he picks some kids in France in the future. Not who.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't necessarily know they're French

                Cartoon logic means that everyone important speaks French/English/whatever Dub you're watching

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Eh, he's sort of got a point. Sort of. In the latest episode Fu sort of gets a vision, I'll call it to avoid spoilers, of the current Ladybug and Cat Noir. It's them in their full costumes, and Cat Noir was in a fusion, but I wouldn't be surprised if that at least slightly influenced his decisions making in the future.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Now Kim is his only legit pick
            we did it kimbros! With this added to the revelation that Kim was Marinette's first crush, no one can stop us anymore.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm glad to see others notice him as well. I didn't like him at first but the dude really grew on me on my rewatches. I especially wanted to see more bro time with him and Max. Honestly, I still think Kim is also probably the smartest and most aware character in the show. If only because he noticed Ondine was into him halfway through the episode. Being able to pick up on a hint is something no one in the current show's time line can do.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            if the series were about kim it would be a thousand times better, he and max would be the best team of superheroes, kim as the monkey king and max as the brain that helps him in his operations, and they already have the whole package of a classic series, crushes , action and comedy, god please, I really wanted a kim spin-off.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People on Cinemaphile are bitter that Chloe didn't get redeemed. Its bizarre, Cinemaphile is usually anti redemption and frankly, there are other characters in multiple series that deserved redemption(not saying Chloe does or doesn't deserve redemption) never got it and Cinemaphile didn't seethe about them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I mean it depends on character execution, also were the creators of those other not redeemed characters
        > known for disliking said characters (to quite a disturbing way, why would you compare Chloe enjoyers to rape apologists?),
        >consider them less sympathetic than even worse villains (Gabe is more sympathetic than Chloe according to Astruc)
        >Make a "haha I am very intelligent" writing decision that is "make the character on their way to path of redemption and get viewers invested in them only to pull a 'Nope! Damnation for this character! Back to evil!' on the viewers" with a terrible execution then get mad when viewers express discontent
        >Don't do anything of substance with the character in the aftermath of damnation
        >Replace the character with a new character that is a washed-up version of an unredeemed character but nice, tell the audience how nice and great the character is while making the unredeemed character, even more, a hate sink just to make the new character look good (Zoe)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I have to wonder if one or more of the writers projected a bully from their childhood onto Chloe, or if it was just that they didn't want to disrupt their episodic formula too much.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I mean "Chloe is based of Astruc's childhood bulliy" has been a theory considering his hatred for her and the fact Sabine and Tom are actually based of himself and an ex-girlfriend of his (Marinette being his virtual daughter).
            The episodic formula was doomed from the start because of the Love Square inevitable canonization + Gabe Arc. It reeks more of writers being allergic to character development
            Chloe's is possible based on bullies in media from the 2000s due to the shows he has worked on in the past, like Sissi and Mandy.
            Or, in a more shallow reason, Chloe's makeup reeks the 2000s makeup trend (especially compared to Zoe)

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I think I understand your point. Still, the negativity I see here and elsewhere is seriously starting to get to me. If only I had some way to turn these negative thoughts within me into the power to set things right.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think I know what you need there anon. Honestly, I wish they played with this aspect of Akumatizations more. I still feel a decent amount of people in Paris would possibly see Hawk Moth as a hero of the downtrodden

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              In terms of theming and characterization the entire show is about a decade behind so that makes sense.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Zoe is what really makes me hate Chloe not getting a redemption because they clearly wanted a blonde girl with the Bee miraculous but didn't want to commit to actually giving the rich girl a character arc so they just pull a "lost sister" out of their ass and gave her the bee powers.
          Don't pretend this was planned, Zoe came out of nowhere after the show was in the air for years.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no I'm not pretending. If she was planned as they claimed, wouldn't it have been better for her to get introduced in Season 2 with Audrey, establish her story character and relationships with Marinette and Chloe, and establish hints that she's "the true Bee holder" around season 3 and after Miracle Queen when Marinette decides to choose a Bee Holder she chooses Zoe? Instead of
            >Introduce Zoe
            >Dump her whole backstory in her debut episode
            >Here acceptance by friends in same episode
            >Here a Miraculous in the next episode
            Eliminating Zoe for a bit, there were other options for the Bee
            >LadyBee (Bee Bug is a shit name and should be purged)
            >Alya as (temporary) Bee (since Rena Rouge was compromised, and until Rena Furtive)
            >Aurore if they wanted blonde
            >Sabrina, Astruc supposedly wants us to care about this chick but he never bothered caring about her, giving her an arc about going independent from Chloe with final step being "I'm Bee now!" could've worked and it would've made Astruc happy too since it could shit on Chloe
            Zoe was unneeded, and her pink strip design came out of a Chloe doll kek

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          > Make a "haha I am very intelligent" writing decision that is "make the character on their way to path of redemption and get viewers invested in them only to pull a 'Nope! Damnation for this character! Back to evil!' on the viewers" with a terrible execution then get mad when viewers express discontent
          Chloe wasn't on a way to redemption.

          Y U Kids no love Sabrina?

          Because Chloe abusing Sabrina was one of the most on the nose proof that Chloe was never on a path of redemption. Thus chloegays shit on Sabrina to make Chloe's abuse to look justified or not a big deal.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, I don't think it's that strange really. We get almost three full seasons where Chloe is arguably the character that gets the most, and really only, growth the series has to offer. We see her at some low lows and some highs. We get her at her best and worst and we see her sometimes try to grow past that. We get a lot of time with her, so I'm not surprised there are people who want to see her be better and grow.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hope with the new writers Luka wins the Marinettebowl. Adrien is boring.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Luka deserves better than Marinette.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone deserves better than Marinette

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >https://deadline.com/2022/06/katy-perrry-musical-melody-cross-creek-zag-10-movie-deal-michael-gracey-1235047550/#amp_tf=De%20%251%24s&aoh=16554624266333&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadline.com%2F2022%2F06%2Fkaty-perrry-musical-melody-cross-creek-zag-10-movie-deal-michael-gracey-1235047550%2F
    >Ladylion, is an animated musical which will be developed in collaboration with global wildlife ambassador Dean Schneider
    Hope you like Musicals anons!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, what? I thought Ladylion was just going to be Miraculous Africa? Is that no longer going to be the case? I thought he concept art they had of her looked kind of cool.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Africa special is now Movie Musical kek. Miraculous London is the real question, we really got nothing about that

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, I don't really mind it becoming a musical. I'm actually kind of more interested in it because of that. I'm just surprised Miraculous isn't in it's name.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Never watched, just here to say this show has god tier character designs.

        Holy MUH

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, we haven't really gotten much of a look at Ladylion but god damn am I digging her look. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of her. The show has some other great looks as well.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty good sequence, better than the lazy shit japs usually do where a character just floats in a void while random light effects change their clothes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry mate, this isnt true ever since season 3 began.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hate to be that guy, but any mega links of the episodes?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Miraculous.to unavailable for you?

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Y U Kids no love Sabrina?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because she’s one of the worst characters on the show
      Only Mylene and Ivan are worse

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the producers who hate her

      >Her Akuma debut was just a short gag and not an episode starting her like the rest.
      >Absolute no episode starting her.
      >Closest was Demoillustrator, just to establish her in a bad ending instead of sparing her.

      >Vanisher Akuma was completely shit and already outclassed by Troublemaker Reflekta is still the shittiest though
      >Miraculer was the best Akuma so far.
      >Wasn’t an episode starting her either.
      >Vanisher will be the one returning

      >Fandom eagerly awaits for her arrival as Dog Miraculous holder.
      >Debuts in an episode not starting her again.
      >Her debut is shared with other 3 characters.
      >Doesn’t even get a transformation sequence.
      >Turns out she wouldn’t be the main holder.
      >Dog Miraculous is the prostitute one of the bunch that keeps changing holder.
      >Dog Miraculous is given to anyone but Sabrina because Ladybug is a shit with her.
      >Gabriel is the one who gives her back the dog Miraculous

      Chloe gays have it bad, but Sabrinerds are all in for eternal suffering.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The last spoiler
        Holy fricking shit, what the hell are they smoking? Are they trying to make Sabrina the "Miracle b***h"?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The last spoiler
        Holy fricking shit, what the hell are they smoking? Are they trying to make Sabrina the "Miracle b***h"?

        And all the while, she's not only being pushed around by Chloe and Astruc literally made her and Chloe slave and master respectively, but the heroes actively tell her that she should still help Chloe. Shit like this is why I can't take Astruc seriously when he says that we should care about Sabrina. Why the frick should I care about her when he clearly doesn't? And I know that fricking idiot in the thread is just going on about
        >CHLOE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BAD! SABRINA BEING ABUSED BY HER WAS ONE OF THE BIG SIGNS OF THIS.
        OK? Why haven't the heroes done anything about it? Why hasn't Marinette, Adrien, or anyone had done about this? Why haven't we gotten ANY focus on Sabrina? And more importantly, why did the show INSIST that Sabrina should help Chloe even though Chloe had treated her badly?
        If you honestly think that any of this is good writing, you're either Astruc, one of his shills, or an actual fricking clown.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >but the heroes actively tell her that she should still help Chloe.
          Yeah I'm trusting this will go just as well as
          >Zoe being the one to help Chloe because she was acting out the movie line
          Also having Sabrina still stuck with Chloe is just as bad as Marinette helping Chloe reconcile with Audrey or Marinette let Gabe walk free in spite of what seems to be a rage quit rather than redemption considering he throws Nooroo away for her to not get it and not tell Adrien about it. Adrien is stuck with his controlling ass for a couple more years

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's fricking stupid.
            >Ah yes, we have this character we want to make the audience hate with every fibre of their being. I KNOW, LET'S HAVE HER SISTER GO ON ABOUT HELPING HER EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO PLANS OF REDEEMING HER! OH, AND WE SHOULD HAVE HER LACKEY THAT SHE'S BEEN ABUSING BE ENCOURAGED TO HELP HER EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR HER TO DO IT.
            Either Astruc is a fricking idiot who doesn't realize how fricking stupid his story is getting or he's a fricking coward who refuses to do ANYTHING bold with his characters.
            >Also having Sabrina still stuck with Chloe is just as bad as Marinette helping Chloe reconcile with Audrey or Marinette let Gabe walk free in spite of what seems to be a rage quit rather than redemption considering he throws Nooroo away for her to not get it and not tell Adrien about it. Adrien is stuck with his controlling ass for a couple more years.
            I can't wait to see Marigays try to justify this. Nothing says good fricking protagonist like actively letting abusive parents avoid consequences for their actions. Also,
            >Marinette is never going to let Adrien find out Hawk Moth's identity.
            I'm pretty sure the whole Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss shit was supposed to be a meme, not an actual lesson to teach.
            Seriously, what the frick is wrong with these people and why are they having their main hero do this? I don't think even Peter Parker fricked up this hard.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's fricking stupid.
            >Ah yes, we have this character we want to make the audience hate with every fibre of their being. I KNOW, LET'S HAVE HER SISTER GO ON ABOUT HELPING HER EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO PLANS OF REDEEMING HER! OH, AND WE SHOULD HAVE HER LACKEY THAT SHE'S BEEN ABUSING BE ENCOURAGED TO HELP HER EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR HER TO DO IT.
            Either Astruc is a fricking idiot who doesn't realize how fricking stupid his story is getting or he's a fricking coward who refuses to do ANYTHING bold with his characters.
            >Also having Sabrina still stuck with Chloe is just as bad as Marinette helping Chloe reconcile with Audrey or Marinette let Gabe walk free in spite of what seems to be a rage quit rather than redemption considering he throws Nooroo away for her to not get it and not tell Adrien about it. Adrien is stuck with his controlling ass for a couple more years.
            I can't wait to see Marigays try to justify this. Nothing says good fricking protagonist like actively letting abusive parents avoid consequences for their actions. Also,
            >Marinette is never going to let Adrien find out Hawk Moth's identity.
            I'm pretty sure the whole Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss shit was supposed to be a meme, not an actual lesson to teach.
            Seriously, what the frick is wrong with these people and why are they having their main hero do this? I don't think even Peter Parker fricked up this hard.

            Like someone said, Marinette is probably going to hold that info over Gabriel's head to force him to treat Adrien better and also let her date him with the "perfect" romance being seen as the better option than Adrien knowing the truth.

            Like the document says, Adrien is a male Disney classic princess and they usually for mostly blissfully ignorant of how evil the baddies were and how close they were to doom so long as they got their romance.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I fail to see how that's any better. You're basically saying that one of the reasons this romance takes off is because Marinette blackmails Gabriel into letting her date his son. Even if she's doing this to a villain, how the frick is that supposed to lead to a healthy relationship with Adrien?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It just works

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      U cant love rock or piece of paper, so u cant love that pathethic excuse of queen bee retinue in face of one(!) human. While Chloe remains most written in terms of her pshycologigical portret and motivations (and that's main reason why so many people are intrested in her), Sabrine is plain as frick, who doesnt get basically anything except a place in "very funny" master-slave scenes with Chloe.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the producers who hate her

      >Her Akuma debut was just a short gag and not an episode starting her like the rest.
      >Absolute no episode starting her.
      >Closest was Demoillustrator, just to establish her in a bad ending instead of sparing her.

      >Vanisher Akuma was completely shit and already outclassed by Troublemaker Reflekta is still the shittiest though
      >Miraculer was the best Akuma so far.
      >Wasn’t an episode starting her either.
      >Vanisher will be the one returning

      >Fandom eagerly awaits for her arrival as Dog Miraculous holder.
      >Debuts in an episode not starting her again.
      >Her debut is shared with other 3 characters.
      >Doesn’t even get a transformation sequence.
      >Turns out she wouldn’t be the main holder.
      >Dog Miraculous is the prostitute one of the bunch that keeps changing holder.
      >Dog Miraculous is given to anyone but Sabrina because Ladybug is a shit with her.
      >Gabriel is the one who gives her back the dog Miraculous

      Chloe gays have it bad, but Sabrinerds are all in for eternal suffering.

      [...]
      And all the while, she's not only being pushed around by Chloe and Astruc literally made her and Chloe slave and master respectively, but the heroes actively tell her that she should still help Chloe. Shit like this is why I can't take Astruc seriously when he says that we should care about Sabrina. Why the frick should I care about her when he clearly doesn't? And I know that fricking idiot in the thread is just going on about
      >CHLOE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BAD! SABRINA BEING ABUSED BY HER WAS ONE OF THE BIG SIGNS OF THIS.
      OK? Why haven't the heroes done anything about it? Why hasn't Marinette, Adrien, or anyone had done about this? Why haven't we gotten ANY focus on Sabrina? And more importantly, why did the show INSIST that Sabrina should help Chloe even though Chloe had treated her badly?
      If you honestly think that any of this is good writing, you're either Astruc, one of his shills, or an actual fricking clown.

      It actually destroys "Astruc hates Chloe" narrative of chloegays. Viewers like Chloe and hate Sabrina exactly because the show was purposely written that way. It really shows how much of ungrateful b***hes chloegays are.

      U cant love rock or piece of paper, so u cant love that pathethic excuse of queen bee retinue in face of one(!) human. While Chloe remains most written in terms of her pshycologigical portret and motivations (and that's main reason why so many people are intrested in her), Sabrine is plain as frick, who doesnt get basically anything except a place in "very funny" master-slave scenes with Chloe.

      Sabrina has a lot going on with her and have the biggest potential of development. Of course chloegays are hostile to her because they need to excuse Chloe.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Making up arguments that people didn't make in your head is not healthy Asstruck

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What argument did I make up?

          >Anti-Chloegay ran of arguments to use, so he's literally trying to justify Sabrina's shit treatment as somehow good writing that proves Chloegays wrong.
          Jesus Christ, the cope in this guy. I don't think even Adrien saltcucks went through this much mental gymnastics.

          Schizo is you. I never implied what you are trying to stick to me.
          My points:
          1) Astruc did make Chloe fan favorite character. It was completely intentional as he wrote shitton of episodes entirely or partially focused on Chloe and her development. She is usually treated as most important person in the world. Chloegays are chloegays because Astruc intentionally made them chloegays.
          2) Astruc did make Sabrina fan least favorite character. It was completely intentional as she never gets focus even in episodes where she is supposed to have it like in akumatization episodes and getting Miraculous episode. She is usually treated as someone who doesn't deserve any care. Chloegays hate Sabrina because Astruc intentionally made them to do so.
          3) Astruc intentionally wrote Chloe abusing Sabrina as something people not supposed to treat as a bad thing.
          4) Somehow chloegays are trying to imply that that means Astruc hates Chloe and wants viewer to hate Chloe.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How and why did this Miraculous bible get leaked?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So around the time of the premiere what seems to be a zag employee with a pdf in hand walked into a Mongolian basket weaving image forum...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If this is actually a fake bible meant to spread negativity here as part of Le Papillon's newest plot, then SO HELP ME I'LL

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Considering episode 2's trailer Gloob pulled out fits... it might be real

          Next week episode 2

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's been correct for two episodes thus far, and it seems like even this place is not strong enough for someone to write a 133 page fake document just to troll some people. Plus Astruc and others have confirmed it's correct if a bit outdated and some things might not be exactly accurate

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is this why Gloob kept using the Akumatization logo over theirs? Is Gabriel actually a partial owner of Gloob?

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lady WiFi got redder hair

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Which is the new?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bottom

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bottom

      She looks young (tween-like) in the first picture, they should’ve keep the previous model to show Alya matured since then.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Best case scenario Zag is so furious at what assfart did to his show he blacklists him from any of his futures shows.

    I’ve only seen anew or two of ghost force and that toy show but even they see, to have better writing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, to be fair, this WAS Astruc's show from the start. Even so, it's more than likely for the best that Astruc doesn't get to work on this show anymore. The rampant asspain he showed on Twitter can easily be evidence for this. Literally a fatter John K. except he's not a pedophile. His friend may be, though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well currently he won't. He's directing Astro Boy Reboot now, he's Cinemaphile's problem now

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Good fricking joke, mate-
          >https://www.animationmagazine.net/tv/astro-boy-returns-in-method-shibuyas-reboot/
          >“I am super proud to join forces with Tezuka Productions, which represents this exceptional artist, and my partners of Shibuya Productions, to offer Astro Boy to a all new generation of kids. Thomas Astruc, one of the incredible talent beyond Miraculous will bring a fresh and unique take on Tezuka’s work,” says Aton Soumache, Founder & President of Method Animation.
          This is literally the worst news on entertainment I've been tackled with that isn't someone dying.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            sorry mate maybe Asstruc will give some nice waifus.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If the bible tourns out to be fake it would be the biggest trolling ever

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Odds are Gabriel will lose all memory of the Miraculous as part of his final defeat and Ladybug will just shrug it off thinking he won't ever be a threat again, so to her, there's no point in telling Adrien. But as Lila starts causing mayhem in his place, Ladybug worries that Gabriel might suddenly remember everything and go back to his evil ways, which may force her to fess up to Adrien before something especially bad happens.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That will be so frustating because we all know that if and whenever he finds out marinette kept this shit from him, his proper reaction should be smack that b***h in the face and tell her off.
      Instead what we will much probably get will be Adrien turning on the simp mode and just going along with it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, I'd probably wouldn't mind that. May even work well if done right. It would make Lila's time as a villain a bit of a joke and turn her into a place holder until Gabriel comes back, but a part of me would enjoy that. Besides, maybe it could lead somewhere interesting. Seeing Gabriel remember who he was after he spent a couple of months being there for Adrien sounds like some good material for angst.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Asstruck is moving on to direct the Astro Boy Reboot
    god damn it
    https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/miraculous-astroboy-method-shibuya-mediawan-1235296063/

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good thing. Now there is a chance that the show can change dramatically in season 6 and 7. If it's a good change we can point to this moment. If it fails well then good we can be rid of this show finally. Adapt or perish the only options for this series.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why can't gabe just create an emilie sentimonster?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It wouldn't really be Emilie. And the fact he can control her like he could any other Sentimonster would also probably weigh very heavy on his mind at all times. Even if he never does it, he'd still know he could and I don't know if he'd be able to live with that. Everything he does is for her and his family. A copy wont be enough to replace her.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        good points, but personally i would prefer all that to becoming a supervillain

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe, but you need to remember the Agreste family autism. The kind of autism that demands absolutely loyalty and devotion to one person. With that in mind do you really think, if you had their single minded devotion, you would settle for a copy if you could instead possibly have the real thing back if all it would take is a bit of super villainy? I mean, from his perspective, the moment he wins and gets her back he can be done with all that magic israeliteelry nonsense once and for all.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the moment he wins and gets her back he can be done with all that magic israeliteelry nonsense once and for all
            and yet when he was at his most powerful he's decided that getting back at two teenagers is more important than that. i think it's safe to say that after all this time gabriel has already lost his focus, it seems his autistic devotion has shifted to (destroying) ladybug now. who knows in what other ways his priorities have changed.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I entirely disagree with you, but that's cool. Personally, I view it as his paranoia that won out there. He feared that Ladybug and Cat Noir were about to do something when they went back in time to the Scarlet Moth shit show that would stop him from achieving his goal, that would stop him from saving Emilie even if he sent that flash drive back, and he had to go back and stop them. Kind of like an Orpheus and Eurydice thing, you know?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                that's absolutely fair. glad we got to have this talk.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He knows sentimensters arent real people. Thats why he hates felix and barely tolerates Adrien

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >barely tolerates Adrien
        Ok, now hold on there. He still tries to be there for Adrien. The dude just has no idea how to be emotionally there for someone and is intensely reserved. He's called off villains before even when they had a clear chance at victory because if he didn't they'd end up hurting Adrien.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Emilie probably got ill like natalie when he create adrien gabriel know that if he creates an emily sentimoster probably would his life

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That is possible. Though they already sort of mentioned that only reason Emilie got sick was because the Peawiener Miraculous she used was broken. Same reason why Nathalie got sick. It's safe to use now.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    weird how the bible doesn’t mention senti shit at all

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It is strange. You'd think that if this is supposed to be the last season with Gabriel as the main villain that Sentimonster stuff would come up here if it was ever going to be a thing. After this season I don't really see any reason to bring it up again. Well, unless Gabriel comes back in the seventh season or something.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >could have had kino where luka becomes the replacement cat
    >frick, even nino would be good. id even settle for kagami
    but no we get FRICKING ZOE

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I can only hope that Adrien at least get's a different Miraculous of his own during that fiasco to help out in some way. But by the sound of it, not even that's happening.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the point of that ep is that mari and adrien are on break. but in one episode he’ll be mister bug again so.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I know. I can still hope though. At the very least I hope we'll get a moment where Alya and Zoe realize being Ladybug and Cat Noir is incredibly hard.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >could have had kino where luka becomes the replacement cat
      go back to tumblr where people will support your moronic saltfic ideas, lukanette moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Lukanette
        Not him but if anything we would've had LukAlya, since Scarabella would return for the two parter and both know Marinette's LB (with Luka also knowing about Adrichat). Not the crackship we asked, but one we could've poked fun at Nino with once again

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The only moments where I have ever seen Luka portrayed as the black cat were salt fics in AO3 made by bitter marigays.
          Only someone with a mental ilness like salters would consider Luka a good character, let alone be the replacement for a main character.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I agree, Luka wouldn't really be my option for CN. I didn't even consider the fricker until that anon mentioned him. But between him and Zoe...

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That best Chat Noir choices would unironically be Kagami or Juleka. Both their fighting styles as miraculous holders are more similar to Chat Noir's.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                But no, they choose Zoe because ???

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The only moments where I have ever seen Luka portrayed as the black cat were salt fics in AO3 made by bitter marigays.
        Only someone with a mental ilness like salters would consider Luka a good character, let alone be the replacement for a main character.

        Why are you so obsessed with tumblr morons? Luka would be a good option for this dumb episode because Nino is too moronic and anyone else is not important enough. Luka knowing the identities gives him a leg over anyone else.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It would also be a fun concept because like Alya, his usual power is sitting in the sidelines and plotting whereas the cat is the exact opposite.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I just realized there’s a reason Barkk of all Kwamis was so serious about staying behind in case shit goes down in Furious Fu. It’s because his past self with young Fu was the one helping recover the stolen present day Miraculous in Evoluton.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That actually makes a lot of sense. Good catch anon.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >https://twitter.com/thecartooncrave/status/1537845552259420160
    Movie in August 3rd in France, predict delay to how long

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >August 3rd
      Hell no. I have absolutely no faith they'll make this date. I'm betting on a Winter release at best if the series proper is anything to go by. Going to make all the promotional material retroactively funny if they miss the release date.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, why did they spend so much money on Chloe's hair? Marinette's hairstyle looks low-budget in comparison.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It is kind of surprising. Someone on the team obviously put some heart into making Chloe's hair look damn good. I don't know if that's just in this one scene but I hope everyone else get's similar treatment. I'm also a little concerned that her hair may be the thing about her that will get the most amount of time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Making her look great is the least Zag can do after letting that fat bastard ruin her character in the show.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It would be a musical just with original songs? im asking because it would be pretty cool too see some daft punk song

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Probably

        This pops in the movie
        If they pull other songs it might be for background sequences (the music for the masked ball)

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Potential season 5 character? From lacroisieremiraculous magazine

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Potential season 5 character? From lacroisieremiraculous magazine

        What the heck is this from? Are we looking at another one of those guest star characters? Or, I guess considering Zoe's appearance this could very well be a new cast member. Though season five really sounds like too late of a time to introduce anyone important.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >lacroisieremiraculous magazine
          That was the source. Someone said it might potentially be the Action Akumatized victim because belt buckle looks like the Bee

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well if it is then that raises two points. One, it means that the Miraculous don't actually have to be worn where it's supposed to be worn for it to work. Which is something to think about since I had thought they needed to wear them properly for it to work. But the other point is what the hell is Gabriel doing giving a Miraculous to a literal who character?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Gabe didn't consider using the Rabbit to help Emilie until Nathalie mentioned it. Gabe thought akumatizing a baby after first time being a pain was a good idea. Gabe is a bit of a smooth brain

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Damn it anon. I hate that you are kind of right. I really like the guy, but the dude really doesn't think his plans through as well as he should sometimes. But I mean, giving a new character a Miraculous sounds like a new level for him. I think the only excuse could be if she's someone he hires or something, but even that sounds kind of ridiculous.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the fact that he's the shows only villain, and what the s5 bible says is gonna happen makes it worse.

                Randy Cunningham is sort of similiar to Ladybug but it had more than one villain and was better written, plus one of the villians is voiced by John Witherspoon

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So realistically, how many times do you think the same person can get re-akumatized before local authorities just decide to be a fricking detail on them full time?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      More than 72 it seems...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mr. Pigeon has proven that at the safety net is at least seventy two Akumatizations. And considering they know exactly who is what Akumatized villain, well, I can't help but feel like it's a good thing Miraculous world is a more light hearted one or otherwise things would go very bad for some of these people.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You'd think people who have been akumatized and turned back would maybe form a support or something. Real life survivors of accidents and trauma do that.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Though I think the people who would really need counseling would be the people who died because of a villain and get brought back by the Miraculous Ladybugs. Ondine flooded the whole city so the vast majority of the people there must have drowned then and then. Frozer flash froze the whole city which must have also cause instant death for everyone. Coming back from that must really frick with some people.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Anti-Chloegay ran of arguments to use, so he's literally trying to justify Sabrina's shit treatment as somehow good writing that proves Chloegays wrong.
    Jesus Christ, the cope in this guy. I don't think even Adrien saltcucks went through this much mental gymnastics.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm honestly waiting for his next mental gymnastic that will somehow beat this

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is she the prettiest cartoon girl ever made?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Eh that's a matter of subjective taste mate. Her 2000s makeup can look rather unappealing (you've met women in your life with those thin brows and/or that blue eyeshadow and they looked terrible, admit it), but the models make her a bit more flattering. We don't really have a frontal shot of movie Chloe, but she also might make a good transition (also her movie eyebrows seem thick than show eyebrows)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm honestly waiting for his next mental gymnastic that will somehow beat this

      He just said that astruck shitty writing aplies for every character not just chloe

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No (yous) for you, Astruc shill!

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If this show takes place in France and it's so good, would you guys live in France?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I’d be willing to live in Miraculous France but not irl France. Maybe just tourism.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >If
      Paris is my country and France is my city
      And no, as that would require me to learn frog and I'm not a nip on their way to get Paris Syndromed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I would live in its France, not irl France.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sure. Can I get a miraculous too?

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's ladybug and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >that depressed Adrien in the middle

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >he read the bible leak

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Silent Hill monster in bottom middle

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Chloegays are chloegays because Astruc intentionally made them chloegays.
    What the frick is he even saying?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That Astruc somehow intentionally made people like the character he claims as a "Lost Cause"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >That bio
        The fact that some people are unable to grasp the fact that bullies aren't always set for being fricking buttholes for the rest of their lives is amazing to me. If it was just Chloe, it wouldn't be this bothersome, but Lila's existence just tells me that Astruc legitimately thinks that every bully in school are monsters who will never change no matter what. This makes me think that there was no specific bully Astruc had. For all we knew, he had tons of them and ended up holding onto this lesson in particular. This comic probably sums this mindset up well.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That or he's still holding on to the 2000s bully's stereotypes.
          Still going back to Sabrina, imagine if we got a focus episode on her where she broke away from Chloe and got accepted into the Marinette's group of friends. A pseudo redemption of sorts. Just replace Zoe with Sabrina in the scene where Zoe apologizes then gets the Ivan hug from Sole Crusher. Wouldn't it have worked better with her instead of a character that got it served on the plate in her debut episode?
          Hell even Sabrina getting the Bee, wouldn't it have tied back to Miraculer when Chloe yells at Sabrina about how she's irrelevant because she has no Miraculous? It could've been karmic retribution for Chloe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Still going back to Sabrina, imagine if we got a focus episode on her where she broke away from Chloe and got accepted into the Marinette's group of friends. A pseudo redemption of sorts. Just replace Zoe with Sabrina in the scene where Zoe apologizes then gets the Ivan hug from Sole Crusher. Wouldn't it have worked better with her instead of a character that got it served on the plate in her debut episode?
            Even as someone who did want Chloe to be redeemed, that legitimately still would've been way better than what we actually got. Not only would it allow Sabrina to actually be her own character instead of being an accessory to a character that had been riddled with narrative tumors by Astruc, it would've gotten across the whole message of getting away from toxic people infinitely better than when it was told with Zoe, who had literally NO attachment to Chloe before her debut. Sabrina NEEDED this, but I guess Thomas wanted this one shitty OC to have everything. Zoe is literally a human Poochie.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You are aware, that this is Zag's oficial page and those are written by Zag? It's another proof, that Chloe's character was planned all along. It teaches, that bad people exists and can choose whatever Path they want. Chloe choosed evil Path by joining Hawk Moth then betraying Hawk Moth and joining Lila

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So is Alix just exiled for the rest of the season or what?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She drops in Reunion because Marinette and Adrien need to learn Kwagatama

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So who's Adrien gonna kill in Destruction?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Our hopes and dreams

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      probably someone important only to be undone with time travel or it's a dream or something

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nobody important

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, didnt he already killed someone in the NY special?
      His reaction to it wasnt that much tho, he seemed more worried about LB getting mad at him than anything else.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's becuase Adrien isn't a moronic tree hugger and realizes that robots are just machines

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          imagine the shock when he realizes he himself is nothing but a fancy magical AI
          That would be good for dramatic irony.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >who's Adrien gonna kill in Destruction?
      to the class pet, a recently introduced character, but who apparently was always with them all this time, adrien is useless because he can't take care of another living being, it also turns out that this pet is the best friend of one of the characters we already know and this guy ends up being akumatized.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        wait, is he going to cataclysm the pet or just let it die out of neglection? Is the bible any specific in this?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He didn't mean literal pet anon... he's cataclysming a human

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, sorry. "Class pet dying on mc hands" is such a common trope in cartoons that im actually surprised they havent done this yet.

            But yeah, killing a human is even worse. There is no way this wont be status quo-ed.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >wait, is he going to cataclysm the pet or just let it die out of neglection? Is the bible any specific in this?
          It's a joke that I just made up as the other anon says.

          He didn't mean literal pet anon... he's cataclysming a human

          I just thought it would be funny if a new character suddenly appeared that was always there, but that we had never seen until now and let him die that same episode.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >He cataclysms Marc

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder, that all of writers stays the same, besides Thomas. Episode "Action" is proof for that. It was written recently and with same writers, besides Tom. Chloe is and was always written by Sebastien anyway, so nothing will change. He loves to write funny and entertaining villains.

    And that's for the best. Sebastien, Melanie, Frederique and Thomas are fathers and mothers of the series. Writing is so good and unpredictable as for episodic show, that's why it's the best, that Miraculous will keep up with its good quality

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you German?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        unlikely
        t. kraut

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So considering bible, will we get miss Iris Verdi here speaking in sign language?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            inb4 someone makes a power level chart of all of lilas alternate personalities
            >MUY PRECIOSA IRIS VERDI (IMPORTA)

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, if I had to pick two ML characters that I sympathised with the most, it would be Nooroo and Duusu. They're both stuck being the tools of villains for pretty much the foreseeable future, just because the writing team doesn't have the guts to create a proper rogues gallery of villains for Ladybug and the Black Cat to fight.

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Also this.. he loves villains. Just like many other people. Villains are way better, than nice characters. So Thank God, that no one ruined her with some crappy redemption

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Criticizes the fans for being "emotionally overinvolved"
      >Himself gets into heated arguments over his show all the time
      Comedy!

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i don't see a show for 5-11 year olds will have a main character kill someone

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    F

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't a bad look, I even kind of liked the out there patterns of Rena Furtive, but this is no great loss. She never did anything really impactful in the series.

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Luka is a better character than both Adrien and Marinette put together. I hope he wins the Maribowl and becomes a main character in Season 6.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He's too nice, too bland. Like Zoe. So, hopefuly no

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      In season 5 he will be shipped to Brazil to learn MiraKung Fu
      In season 6 he will be shipped to London to learn MiraCooking
      In season 7 he will be shipped to Africa to learn MiraCooling

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I forgot about Mira Kung Fu

        I guess Felix and Lila as the new Peawiener and Hawkmoth can't be too physically involved as villains otherwise the monks would be able to show up and kick their asses

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >character created with the sole purpose of being Marinette's bootlicker and give girls an unrealistic experience of what a supportive boyfriend should look like
      >good
      Way to expose yourself, marigay

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm between starting to watch Miraculous Ladybug or Molly McGee.

    >Miraculous has more episodes and it will take me longer to catch up but the characters are cuter and I want to practice my French.
    >Molly is newer, has less episodes but it looks like a generic modern cartoon. But the characters are cute too and I find the ghost/human dinámica interesting.

    What should I watch bros?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this is a miraculous thread, so of course we are gonna say Miraculous

      why would you wanna watch the Ghost of Master Shake?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Do you actually care about the cartoons you watch, like them for what they are, like comedy cartoons, or do you watch cartoons to participate in the fandoms and b***h about how bad the actual cartoon is? Molly if you're a. Miraculous if you're b. Molly has a really limited fandom and barley a plot. Miraculous has a huge fandom and a very bad 'plot.'

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not as good as the First Episode of Season 1 and Season 2 of Yin Yang Yo

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