So, there was a major leak in the last big thread for this series. Anyone who went through it care to give a recap on what was found so far?
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Was it shark-jumping?
I've only skimmed it a bit, but it wasn't too spoilery. More like episode descriptions than full plot leaks.
But for some info:
Hawkmoth, now called Monarchj, will give out miraculous to his akumatized villains. LB & CN will fight them off, try to get the miraculous back. At some point, the love square flips, Adrien is after Mari, and she's after CN because her love for Adrien is making her frick up too much. Also Lila gets the butterfly because Gabriel chooses to throw Nooroo away just so Mari can't get all the miraculous back
>first point
Sounds interesting, and like it could have a lot of potential.
>second point
Who cares.
>third point
Kino. If it makes an impact in the series moving forward, it's even better.
Thank you for your information, Anon.
The second point is apparently important because it leads to them both kinda fricking up and falling into a trap in the end. Also apparently Adrien fully disowns Chloe after he learns she's been stopping Mari from getting close to him.
So does this mean we'll actually see some backstory between Chloe and Marinette? Took them long enough. Also, didn't Chloe already "disown" Adrien in that shitshow, Queen Banana? So, what does it matter anymore if Adrien fully abandons her? In fact, do we have any reason to believe that Adrien actually viewed her as a friend to begin with? This isn't justifying Chloe being a shitter, but last thread actually pointed this out well with these posts:
I know that Thomas doesn't give a shit about Chloe, but if he was going to make this huge deal about Adrien breaking things off with Chloe, it feels so goddamn hollow to me because they made no effort to make it feel authentic and he already had Chloe try to break things off with Adrien, so any value that friendship may have had to the story is already thrown out. Once again, proof that Queen Banana was actually the worst episode of the series behind Penelteam.
I don't think it'll lead to backstory. But simply be more of the same and just a total shitfest on Chloe
Frick Zoey. That b***h's a liar. Literally an actress- everything she does is acting.
Oh that reminds me, apparently Zoey has feelings for Marinette.
Eww.
And Zoe is the worst example of this trend. Not only is she just "super-duper kind" without anything resembling depth to her character and that's enough to reward her with a Miraculous, but she's an actual simp for Marinette. She's literally just female Luka, except Luka at least has some depth with the story about his family. Zoe has nothing besides a backstory that you could paste onto any character. Not even her relation to the Bourgeois actually offered anything interesting besides some words about Andre wanting to be a filmmaker and even then, he doesn't get involved with the film in Queen Banana. That gets taken up by Astruc's self-insert because...reasons. Seriously, if you were going to make a deal about Andre wanting to do movies, why not follow up on that?
>Not only is she just "super-duper kind
They just should have given Rose a less ugly haircut, because Zoey just stole Rose's personality.
Zoe became the worst character too quickly, somehow she managed to upstage Marinette in the Mary Sue department for this season and go a level higher into the “OC Fan-self-insert” tier.
>Presented as the “fixed version” of a flawed character.
>Becomes close friends with the MC
>Becomes part of a shy love triangle with the MC
>Out of the entire cast, she is the only one worthy for Plagg to choose her as the next Chat Noir.
>Becomes the new Chat Noir holder.
>Suddenly she has much more importance in the story than any other character had in a way shorter span.
Also a big L for Nino who keeps staying locked just as Allya’s bootlicker instead of getting any development.
Also let’s add
>Character is a lost family member who “always” existed and gets introduced out of nowhere after being absent and never mentioned in a far away zone.
At this point, I can only see these developments as two things.
>Zoe is a self-insert of a writer who's close friends with Astruc being pushed to the moon.
>Astruc himself is deliberately trying to destroy the story of his own show so Zag won't be able to salvage it.
I'm starting to think it's the latter because there's no way Zag would allow this to actually stick. Maybe Zag doesn't care a lot for Chloe, but Adrien is practically Zag's baby and I don't think he'll take kindly to his boy being cucked like this.
Oh wow. I tried to avoid reading the leaks so I didn't know it got that bad. I'm thoroughly impressed by how shit they are making her. As for Nino, pairing him off with Alya so early on was a dumb decision. It ended up eating up his whole character. Though I don't know if he's really any better off than any of the other side characters. They whole side cast are pretty much such empty voids. So much so that season four had no problem with rewriting some of their characters entirely. I couldn't imagine a worse situation for these characters.
Going by that quote saying that the audience always has to sympathize and side with Marinette, this show is an example of why Aaron Ehasz was right. If your sole goal is to make a character sympathetic instead of actually interesting, then it's inevitably going to fail.
Astruc has shown that he doesn't actually give a shit about anyone in the show not named Marinette, Adrien, or Gabriel. Unless they're absolute simps for the Love Square, don't expect any of them to be even remotely humanized.
It's very important for characters to have a motivation that they act towards. The audience should understand the character's motivation unless they're going for cartoon crazy like the Joker (before the 1970s).
Ladybug and Chat Noir have the motivation to keep the ladybug and black cat miraculous away from Hawkmoth. Marinette has a bunch of typical teenage girl motivations like do well in school and hook up with her crush. Adrien has the motivation of not disappointing his father. Alya has the Ladyblog I guess.
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>Aaron Ehasz was right. If your sole goal is to make a character sympathetic instead of actually interesting, then it's inevitably going to fail.
From a guy who made his interesting characters more sympathetic than the intended sympathetic characters, I don't know how to feel.
That friendship between Adrien and Chloe has been one of the most disappointing things in this series. It's almost impressive really. The closest we got to seeing them being friends was in Felix with that message she sent him.
Adrien did what she could. He had his right to make ultimatums to Chloe. He didn't ask her to give him something that is rightfully her, he didn't ask her to do something humiliating or morally wrong. Some basic decency is the only thing he asked for. Chloe not wanting to follow just shows her true priorities. Enjoying bullying and feeling superior was more important for her than friendship with Adrien. That's why their relationship were dead. Their relationship were toxic on Chloe's part.
Chat Noir not defending Chloe is a lie. He does even Chloe is clearly in the wrong. Examples you made have extreme chloegay bias. Bashing Adrien because he does it not enough is wrong as it is the opposite. Chloe's problems are hers, she is fully responsible for her choices. Her failings are her own fault, not Ladybug's or Adrien's.
There wasn't some le epic depth in relationship between Adrien and Chloe to begin with. Kids meet and befriend each other, then they go separate if they have nothing in common. It happens all the time.
Chloe didn't want to change for the better, Adrien and Marinette couldn't do it against her will.
Hi Astruc, how much butthurt are you over Zag kicking you out of your own show?
Astruc left on his own, he could have upped his contract but chose not to.
OK, I fail to see the part where that's good writing. The show frequently avoids actually punishing Chloe for anything, the only thing she really lost so far was the Bee Miraculous. If you want to argue that Chloe refused to change, fine, but don't pretend that the show "did its best" to try and help her.
It frequently rewards her bad behavior because the characters are too cowardly to do anything. Of course she's going to refuse to change because NOTHING FRICKING CHALLENGED HER. Adrien barely did shit and Marinette actively harmed her progress by telling her to keep interacting with Audrey. Sure, you can't blame them for not knowing what to do, but you can't tell me they're actually doing their best.
The show has a massive fricking issue of not letting their antagonists suffer any lasting consequences. The fact that Gabriel is going to be let free after all the shit he pulled cements this fact and now Lila is going to be all powerful with Chloe as a puppet and class rep.
It wasn't show's intention to help Chloe. It's a cautionary tale. It's rough but there is truth in it. Pretending that Chloe could be changed is what would be actually harmful message.
As I said earlier. Chloe wasn't going to change regardless of what Adrien or Marinette would do. Adrien giving Chloe ultimatum was an appropriate challenge. Marinette making Chloe to bond with Audrey over some shit was a bad joke, but that it was hardly some sort of turning point.
Besides... Chloe's parents make her to go to New York was a challenge. Andre refusing to send Zoe back was a challenge. Adrien giving Chloe ultimatum and sticking to it was a challenge. Also Andre losing his position of a mayor will be a huge challenge. Sabrina possibly leaving Chloe in S5 could be a final nail. Thus I think Chloe will actually start being better person by the end of S5 and she will be fully developed in S6-S7.
> She did follow, she was shaping up to become a better person before fat frick make his tantrum over it. But even then, when she was working on her rhythm to become a better person.
No, she absolutely didn't. It was a point of her character arc.
> She cried when Adrien said they weren’t going to be friends anymore.
So? She made her choice.
>When they made that video Felix got, Chloe stopped her attitude and started to relate to him to send him a message that she actually cares for his emotional stability
Giving someone condolences isn't a pinnacle of heroism. Adrien said to Chloe what was the most important, she refused.
So, the "cautionary tale" ends with Chloe being class rep and still having people like Sabrina under her thumb. I fail to see how this is a good message.
At the end of the season Lila supposedly reenters the school as one of her alternate identities so I'm guessing them ruling the class doesn't last long.
lol does she put on a disguise or something
At this point I honestly believe she's really the Kwami of lies posing as a human.
>Has multiple identities/families and can juggle them so perfectly that not one of them suspects a thing.
>Possibly gets expelled from school, only to return as one of her alt identities (Like that one joke of the Simpsons where Homer gets kicked out of Moe's, only for his near identical doppelganger showing up immediately, only this time everyone falls for it).
>Every episode she's been in, everyone but our main 2 clutches the idiot ball, even Alya who despite knowing that Lila lied about being Ladybug's BFF, still believes her.
>No, she absolutely didn't. It was a point of her character arc.
“No it didn’t”, Yes she did, she started showing traits of becoming more considerate with people around her, the most recognizing would be in Zombisu
>So? She made her choice.
And it hurt her, her rupture was what triggered Queen Banana, not her selfish tantrum as Gabriel expected. So don’t come saying she didn’t cared for Adrien’s friendship outside selfishness
>Giving someone condolences isn't a pinnacle of heroism. Adrien said to Chloe what was the most important, she refused.
Missing the point again, the condolences part was to proof she cared more of their friendship than Adrien did, and not just for giving him condolences.
>No, she wasn't.
> “No, u”
>Ladybug didn't push Chloe back to corruption. Chloe was always corrupted.
>She never did as it was shown countless times. She was just selfishly upset that she wasn't chosen. Chloe betrayed because Ladybug didn't indulge Chloe's desire to feel important which ultimately proves that she wasn't getting better.
Hawkmoth got Mayura offering her to join their side, and betray Ladybug to stay as Queen Bee forever, she could have keep the Miraculous as she always wanted, she could have finished Ladybug or even get Sabrina to do it, but she didn’t accepted out of the hope she got in Ladybug.
>It's up to Ladybug to decide who is the optimal choice. She is a leader and a hero, she does best what she can to accomplish her mission.
She knew Bee was the optimal choice, she refused and gave Dragon to Kagami because she was into something off topic from her mission.
>Chloe betrayed Ladybug not because of her disagreement about choice of Miraculous to defeat Hawk Moth. It would be extremely stupid.
The writing of this show has proven to be stupid a lot of times, Hawkmoth literally LEFT THE WHOLE MIRACULOUS BOX.
But this episode in particular had the fandom outing Asstruck’s anti-Chloe bullshit
>And it hurt her, her rupture was what triggered Queen Banana, not her selfish tantrum as Gabriel expected. So don’t come saying she didn’t cared for Adrien’s friendship outside selfishness
>Missing the point again, the condolences part was to proof she cared more of their friendship than Adrien did, and not just for giving him condolences.
Yet, she still thought enjoying her bullying was more important.
> Hawkmoth got Mayura offering her to join their side, and betray Ladybug to stay as Queen Bee forever, she could have keep the Miraculous as she always wanted, she could have finished Ladybug or even get Sabrina to do it, but she didn’t accepted out of the hope she got in Ladybug.
Chloe believed that Ladybug is going to keep giving her Miraculous. Chloe wanted to look like a hero, not like a villain. Mayura's offers looked bad for Chloe.
> She knew Bee was the optimal choice, she refused and gave Dragon to Kagami because she was into something off topic from her mission.
So? What would you think about a solder who betrays his country because he doesn't agree with some tactical decision of his high command? I could repeat it has nothing with actual combat effectiveness against Hawkmoth as Chloe never cared about it. Chloe's behavior is more akin to behavior of a mercenary. At first she though it was profitable to work for Ladybug, then she went to work for Hawk moth. Chloe wasn't corrupted. There wasn't shift in morality on internal change. Circumstances change and then Chloe's loyalty changes.
>The writing of this show has proven to be stupid a lot of times, Hawkmoth literally LEFT THE WHOLE MIRACULOUS BOX.
But this episode in particular had the fandom outing Asstruck’s anti-Chloe bullshit
Chloe not becoming better was a point of may episodes. It wasn't some "stupid thing". It's just what her character arc is about.
>Chloe not becoming better was a point of may episodes. It wasn't some "stupid thing". It's just what her character arc is about.
It's a badly written arc regardless of the intentions. No lessons were actually taught beyond "some people are bad", which is like saying water is wet. Nobody looks good coming out of it, so really, I don't see why you're so hung up on defending this. It doesn't matter if it was "intended" or not. It's like making a cake only to frick up the bake time, but instead of owning up to it, you're screeching about how you followed the recipe perfectly. It's still a burnt cake. Nobody wants to eat that shit.
Nice trips. That said, frick Zoe. I already disliked her story arc amounting to "You're better than Chloe by just being kind, so you're totally deserving of being a hero even though we literally just met you." The fact that they're going to take it one step further by giving her a relationship arc with Marinette and even making her the NEW CHAT NOIR, even if it's temporary, fricking infuriates me to no end.
And just to remind you, this was about Adrien being a shit friend at Chloe, not to get involved in your Chloe=Bad tantrum, fat frick.
>OK, I fail to see the part where that's good writing. The show frequently avoids actually punishing Chloe for anything
That's a really good point. Tha problem with Chlo is that she didn't actually change since beggining of the show, and i mean not "go bad/good", i maen just changing on her experience like real people especially in such powerful events. Her backstory is good though they could at least try show some of her friendship with Adrien, but man, in present there basically nothing changes. Like there was finale of 3 rd season and poof - no changes, literally just the same Chlo who was in season 1. And now that Zoe, it's like they purposefully trying to make her line pointless and absurd, destroy any consistancy of plot/
>Adrien did what he could.
Like how about at least texting “r u Ok?” back when Chloe was leaving Paris or wanting to cry for her mother? You can bring up Adrien having a busy schedule, but you can’t shit on me saying he has his phone restricted.
>He had his right to make ultimatums to Chloe. He didn't ask her to give him something that is rightfully her, he didn't ask her to do something humiliating or morally wrong. Some basic decency is the only thing he asked for.
Adrien was on the right telling Chloe to stop acting so selfish, but it was poor writing having him jump to the ultimatum that quickly, specially when he gave Lila much more chances.
>Chloe not wanting to follow just shows her true priorities.
She did follow, she was shaping up to become a better person before fat frick make his tantrum over it. But even then, when she was working on her rhythm to become a better person.
>Enjoying bullying and feeling superior was more important for her than friendship with Adrien.
She cried when Adrien said they weren’t going to be friends anymore.
>That's why their relationship were dead. Their relationship were toxic on Chloe's part.
When they made that video Felix got, Chloe stopped her attitude and started to relate to him to send him a message that she actually cares for his emotional stability, but that doesn’t seem to be a reciprocated feeling. Chloe cared more for the friendship than Adrien did, Adrien was her friend in a fragile moment and both grew along, yet Adrien seems to care less for her than even some literal who fan that just swapped clothes with. He even seems to have often chats with that guy, but I guess that’s more of a jab to Nino’s lacking development.
>Chat Noir not defending Chloe is a lie. He does even Chloe is clearly in the wrong. Examples you made have extreme chloegay bias. Bashing Adrien because he does it not enough is wrong as it is the opposite.
First of all, that’s literally not an example of what you mentioned, it’s an accusation about me. So, so far there are zero examples. But I do have the ability to list examples:
1) As Chat Noir he only limits himself to serve as a relaxed remainder to Ladybug.
How come Marinette was always the one supporting Chloe, but Adrien never did shit to cheer her up?
2) Leaving Paris = “bummer”; Marinette organizes a party to keep her.
3) Shit by mother = *stays in the background*; Marinette reunites them and quits her dream opportunity for them to get along.
4) Nino going Sherlock Holmes -> Get involved.
>Chloe's problems are hers, she is fully responsible for her choices. Her failings are her own fault, not Ladybug's or Adrien's.
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>See friend who is suffering.
>It’s okay to let him alone, his problems, his fault, his responsibility, I don’t have to do with his shit.
>There wasn't some le epic depth in relationship between Adrien and Chloe to begin with. Kids meet and befriend each other, then they go separate if they have nothing in common. It happens all the time.
They were sad, neglected and afraid, they only had themselves. If it’s just a simple “hey; hey” relationship as you said that would only put the team as even worse writers.
>Chloe didn't want to change for the better, Adrien and Marinette couldn't do it against her will.
She WAS changing for the better until fat frick cried about it, and even ignoring that part, how can you forget Ladybug pushing Chloe back to corruption?
- She saw her asking for her Miraculous
- She knew Bee was the optimal choice
- Blatantly ignore it and go for Dragon only to keep out Kagami.
- They were fighting Chloe’s parents.
- Set the last straw until Chloe was done with the shit they pull on her.
> She WAS changing for the better until fat frick cried about it, and even ignoring that part,
No, she wasn't.
> how can you forget Ladybug pushing Chloe back to corruption?
Ladybug didn't push Chloe back to corruption. Chloe was always corrupted.
> - She saw her asking for her Miraculous
Miraculous wasn't Chloe's and she was told so, not only in Miraculer but in "Malediktator" as well when Ladybug explicitly explained Chloe why she was giving it to Chloe.
> - She knew Bee was the optimal choice
> - Blatantly ignore it and go for Dragon only to keep out Kagami.
> - They were fighting Chloe’s parents.
> - Set the last straw until Chloe was done with the shit they pull on her.
It's up to Ladybug to decide who is the optimal choice. She is a leader and a hero, she does best what she can to accomplish her mission. Chloe betrayed Ladybug not because of her disagreement about choice of Miraculous to defeat Hawk Moth. It would be extremely stupid. Chloe didn't care about Ladybug's mission or fight with Hawkmoth. She never did as it was shown countless times. She was just selfishly upset that she wasn't chosen. Chloe betrayed because Ladybug didn't indulge Chloe's desire to feel important which ultimately proves that she wasn't getting better.
The show isn't going to stop after election. You don't know will happen in S5, you also don't know what will happen in S6-S7.
>Ladybug is a leader and hero
Still shit at both if strike back is anything to go by.
>I gave a miraculous to a wrong person, guess I'll cry like a lil b***h until someone hugs me
If adrien wasnt there she would still be stuck in that room 5 seasons later
frick she's such an ass protaginist. At least since there is a reverse love square next season I'll get to coom when LB starts making moves on CN. This is a big positive for us coomer bros!
Miraculous is legit the next RWBY
Its porn is gonna be more remembered than the actual show
Still not quite perfect, got some shit fetish artists in that fandom still, but once they gtfo it will literally be the next rwby
ladybug porn is pretty lame. almost no hentai and the ones that exist are badly done.
This so much. I can't believe how mediocre the majority of it is.
That why I said its taking time to get there. There are some decent artists, but some of it atm is just pixiv fetish shit. Once they move on it will get better.
i can coom to screenshots. specifically the shadow.
well considering it's global reach and the fact that it attracts such a huge audience it hasn't gone down the rwby hole yet. Miraculous was always capeshit with romance mixed in and the new season has plenty of that from the spoilers. Will people get bored of it probably at some point, but that's every show. I'm just here for the ride.
Does rwby even make good porn anymore? The show is still running i think but i don't see any GOOD porn from it anymore. Jlul was the primo rwby porn artist. After that i can't recall the others but i don't see it around much.
That show was sad to see go so poorly. The character designs used to be nice and the early season action scenes were interesting. The rest felt like a waste. It feels like something even I could write better, and I say that with full awareness that i've never written for television. They made it too convoluted.
>Adrien is after Mari, and she's after CN who?
Cartoon Network
Chat Noir
This is what I have for the last two episodes:
Conformation (The Final Day Part 1)
Monarch has just placed the final pieces of his villainous plan on his chessboard of
evil. He has nothing left to lose, because today will be his final day. The plan he has
put in place is more ambitious than ever. Global, merciless, radical. If he were to fail
at seizing Ladybug and Cat Noir’s Miraculous, the world would live forever in chaos.
The unsuspecting Marinette and Adrien have already fallen victim to this plan. Are
Ladybug and Cat Noir doomed?
Will Monarch win in the end?
Re-Creation (The Final Dat part 2)
Monarch’s ultimate plan is in motion. Nothing seems able to stop him now.
Especially considering that, while the world descends into chaos, the supervillain has
just trapped Ladybug in person...
Meant to tag
The fall of Monarch
After an epic fight during which she will make him renounce his wish and his
Miraculous, Ladybug will recover the Miracle Box. She will defeat Hawk Moth by
merging Ladybug and Cat Noir’s powers.
But, while defeated, Gabriel will have kept her from recovering the Miraculous of the
Butterfly… by throwing it away.
Season 5 cliffhanger: someone will seize the Miraculous of the Butterfly.
And that someone will be Lila, who has been found to be much more evil and
manipulative than Gabriel Agreste ever was
Couldnt Marinette just do the same thing she did Risk's akumatuzed object and use Bunny+Dog to take back the butterfly miraculous?
That would require touching the ball to the butterfly miraculous without Gabe noticing, and since he's always wearing it, that's basically impossible. Cool idea tho.
>The fall of Monarch
Ah I didn't see that because I jumped straight down to the bottom episode descriptions.
Correct, rabbit is the only one recovered until the end it seems, sans butterfly, which goes to Lila (now Iris).
>Adrien is after Mari, and she's after CN
who?
>Lilamoth
Yep, I'm thinking based.
>At some point, the love square flips, Adrien is after Mari, and she's after CN because her love for Adrien is making her frick up too much.
Didn't think anything would dethrone Star vs. as the worst love subplot in a cartoon for me, but here we are.
homie that's the shit that everyone wants tf you on about? literally since season 2 and 3 people have been salivating over this
Not that anon but not really. Love square swap was so oversued in fics that plenty of people dont really give a shit about it anymore.
At this point I just want to see more of the side characters.
I'm a coomer so I give plenty of shits. Most side characters are worthless aside from Kagami, Alya, Juleka, ALix, Fricking Felix. Those I can side with you getting more time. The rest pretty worthless. Surprised to see many people give a shit about Lila in this thread when she doesn't do anything besides tell shitty lies people just end up believing. Hoping Felix gets a big role this season honestly that'd be nice glad the bible didn't reveal everything.
What about Luka?
never really cared for Luka, he was always just a dude that said some flattery for marinette and I guess that was enough, to start a ship. Him learning kung fu is interesting, maybe him being with the guardians will lead to some interesting things down the line.
so yeah, this is the next big shitshow
Of all the things that will be the death nail on this show. The reverse love square is a huge positive. This whole show has been built on the foundation of the relationship between the two. Literally, the best moments in the series proper are between those two characters. From what I've read from the bible going down that path is more than welcome. There are plenty of other things from the bible that are of huge concern. Zoe being one of them.
The reverse love square is a braindead monkey writing, at least at present moment. Maaaaaaybe in first 2-3 seasons that was something intriguing, but after 4 seasons of this shit i'm gonna puke when i see it again. Thta idea exhausted itself already in 2 season but that shitters just can't let it and again and again used that trope to fill every love plot in the show. Crimeny, just give the second plan characters some love stories, I donn't want to see a million time stuttering and scruple Marinette, that wasn't intresting or funny at first time and surely isn't now.
Bro your gunna puke I'm gunna coom
Not everyone is in it for the love square anon.
Settling for the side characters most of which don't matter ahead of the one thing that separated this show from the pack of capeshit with the romance is certainly big energy. I respect it though.
How do you spoiler again?
Gabriel melts the Miraculous into rings to transfer the power directly instead of fusing, except for the Rabbit which he loses in the first episode. It's given to Alix but she spends most of the season exploring time to keep it out of his hands and only shows up in one other episode. Tikki and Plagg midway through the season decide to leave and make Alya and Zoe their holders for a two parter so Marinette and Adrien can get together without superheroes being in the way. Lila apparently has several false families and identities she switches between which is why she rarely shows up, and she teams with Chloe to kick Marinette out and become class rep with Chloe managing to trick everyone into thinking she's changed when she's really as evil as ever. In episode 23, LB and CN mature enough to not need the timer anymore and can spam their powers. As the season goes on Gabriel is running out of time before Emilie dies, getting more desperate and in the finale his final plan is to threaten to destroy the world since either he gets his wish that day or Emilie dies. He captures Marinette who learns his identity but she fuses Ladybug and Cat and somehow forces him to give up his crusade. He gives up on saving Emile and LB gets the captured Kwami's back but he throws away the Butterfly out of spite and Lila finds it. Adrien never finds out Gabriel was Hawkmoth and apparently never will and Marinette just kind of lets him be since he has no more power. [ /spoiler]
For the record, it's implied that Lila is manupulating Chloe into her puppet, so it's not an equal partnership.
>Adrien never finds out Gabriel was Hawkmoth and apparently never will and Marinette just kind of lets him be since he has no more power.
This is a joke, right? That's just awful. Completely awful. The character that has no personal attachment to Gabriel find out his identity and is the only one to know what happened? And not only that she just somehow gets him to stop but he still throws away his Miraculous? That's ridiculous. Utterly Ridiculous.
Unironically blame Gloob. Because so many Brazillan kids have disappeared fathers who are probably criminals in jail and they became a sponsor last season they basically mandated that the plotline had to end that way. Astruc more or less confirmed that on Twitter.
That's not my concern with it. I don't care that Gabriel doesn't get thrown in jail or anything. I can't imagine anyone actually thought that was really going to happen to him. It's not like they have a super villain jail anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if they had pulled a "he was being influenced by the negative emotions of the Butterfly Miraculous so he's not entirely at fault" or some other nonsense. But there are so many better ways they could have done this. Almost anything else would have been better.
My money is on Gabriel getting his memorues of the Miraculous totally erased, but not before he chucks the Butterfly out as a final Frick You to Ladybug. Basically, he is written out like Norman Osborn originally was.
I mean, I can kind of get behind that. Mostly because this kind of thing always feels like it ends with that old villain returning once again in the final finale. So why not? Get's us a season or two of good guy Gabriel slowly remembering who he was and potentially returning to that role.
According to the leak
By the end of the season Emilie is at her absolutely limit and the finale is the last day to save her before she presumably dies. Which means two seasons later there would be no point in him even bothering because it's too late to save her she'd be long dead.
>it's too late to save her she'd be long dead.
Jesus, as if Gabriel even planned to resurrect her.
I wonder why he bothered with keeping Emilie in that pod if he planned all along to reset the world, Emilie doesn’t have to be in the pod for that, she can get turned into ashes and Gabriel would still be able to make a wish and reset the world, he would only not be able to revive her if he finds a cure in the future, but the wish has no time limit whatsoever.
He needs something to frick when Adrien was doing Modeling stuff
Eh, I can see him still trying to use the Miraculous to fix things anyway. If not that then maybe lash out just out of spite. But who knows? I mean it it really doesn't make sense that her finally dying would change things anyway. We're dealing with magic israeliteelry that contain the power of creation and destruction. israeliteelry that can rewrite the universe. Why would her actually dying not be something he can undo?
It's okay that [spoilers]Gabe doesn't get arrested- I don't think anybody really wanted that. I just wanted to see Adrien and Gabe learn about each other's secret identities.[/spoilers]
Sabrina is such a waste of a character. We could have had an arc of her turning on Chloe and stop being such a doormat. But I guess character development only belongs to Marinette.
Speak for yourself, mate. Id love to see gabe behind bars. It makes me wonder how long it would take for him to become the big boss there.
It's still a kids show. The most we saw of police arresting anyone was with that nonviolent altercation with Sabine. Gabe getting off can also be written off as him being in the 1%.
We knew that was coming since season 3. I welcome it because it will be a refreshing change from the status quo.
Maybe he's getting a promotion for returning to Totally Spies.
>kids cant know that jail is a thing and bad actions have actual consequences
Why?
Because Brazil.
It would make Adrien an orphan. And if Adrien knew Hawkmoth was his dad, he would beg Ladybug to not have him apprehended.
We really should have had a big scene where Ladybug's, Cat Noir's, and Hawkmoth's identities are revealed in one swoop. It would be the peak of shit hitting the fan.
And if Adrien knew Hawkmoth was his dad, he would beg Ladybug to not have him apprehended[spoiler]
if this show had any resemblence of care for character development, Adrien developing from a emotionally dependent boy into someone who was willing to sacrifice his hapiness for the greater good would be kino.[/spoiler]
>It would make Adrien an orphan. And if Adrien knew Hawkmoth was his dad, he would beg Ladybug to not have him apprehended.
It wouldn't make him an orphan. He would still have a dad. But besides that, after all this nonsense he's been through I don't think he'd absolutely just up and beg to save Gabriel. If anything, considering what we've seen so far, I wouldn't be surprised if Ladybug had to actually stop Adrien from Cataclysm-ing Gabriel in anger.
The interesting question is that during the Gabriel reveal Marinette has both Miraculous and Adrien is not there, so something must have happened to him that episode. Regardless they probably don't want to have to deal with the fallout afterwards since the show is proceeding. If Gabriel goes to jail, Adrien could be a pariah and also have to go live with Felix in London since they're his only family and he's a minor which would effectively write him out of the show. Sure this would all be very interesting for us, but for the ease of having him around as his usual self for at least 2 seasons of weekly battles against Lila, they probably just want to have everyone be none the wiser so he can continue being CN and living in his big house
Yeah, that is a good point. What the heck is our favorite cat boy doing during all this nonsense? Personally I had hoped that the end result would be that Gabriel was no longer the villain but still a character that Adrien can sometimes turn to. Even if he was indisposed or away somewhere. Hell, half the time the dude only streamed himself places anyway so it wouldn't be too much of a change anyway. I just wanted some kind of talk between Adrien and Gabriel after this villain stuff was over. The potential angst would have been great and I was hoping that now that they can actually sit down and talk about things without super interruptions that this would actually help their relationship as farther and son.
I absolutely wanted him to face consequences because letting him off entirely after nearly destroying the world twice and committing countless acts of terrorism just because she wants to spare her crushes feelings is beyond self centered for Marinette.
Sauce?
Stop saying bs
For a show as cliche as Miraculous Ladybug, you'd think it would culminate in the most cliche way. At least the earlier seasons, cliche as they may be, did cliches very well. This rumored end isn't cathartic in the slightest, and it really should go balls to the wall in a cliched reveal.
God what a shit unclimatic ending. I just hope whoever comes for season 6 and 7 is able to fix this mess.
Probably the whole reason why Lila is taking over is so the show can completely reset itself back to the Season 1 status-quo and retell it Zag's way.
Well things will be a little different since Marinette and Adrien are a couple at that point, although it's vague if there was a reveal or not, and they both have unlimited access to their powers. So they'd be dating and the fights will be able to deviate from the formula because they can spam them. Not to mention everyone's identities would then be in the clear since Lila doesn't know any of them [ /spoiler]
>series ends without an on-screen reveal
lol is this Astruc's ultimate "frick you" to the fandom?
The timers were always frequently ignored for the plot. If anything, it's about time they got rid of them.
>Adrien never finds out Gabriel was Hawkmoth and apparently never will and Marinette just kind of lets him be since he has no more power [spoiler]
Jesus christ didnt this b***h learn ANYTHING from last season? Why is she repeating the same fricking patern over and over? Are the writers of this show brain-damaged?[/spoiler]
I don't remember reading all that info in the leak, where did it come from? Also what does Emily dying have to do with anything? If he gets his wish she comes back to life anyway. There's no time limit.
His wish would erase the current reality, and make a new one.
I would presume that he knows that already though. Or is oblivious to it. What difference does the wish make to overwriting reality?
Basically his wife isn't in the coma and entirely fine.
Honestly just not saving his wife when he had the rabbit miraculous to just change the timeline the stupidest thing.
Worse case Scenario there are just no Heroes and Villains in the new timeline and Fuu is still the guardian.
But what I'm saying is, why is there a time limit? What's the difference between "I wish my wife wasn't in a coma" and erasing reality (like in Ephemeral) and "I wish my wife wasn't dead" and erasing reality?
>Honestly just not saving his wife when he had the rabbit miraculous to just change the timeline the stupidest thing.
I'm sure that's where Bunnyx is going to come in and tries to stop him. Hell, that could very well be the reason she's been hanging around as long as she has. Which gives me hope that him apparently stinging her with the Bee Miraculous may change things up. Of course knowing what show this is and how adverse it is to change I know the chance is slimmer than slim.
Time Travel in this show honestly seems like it's hardly a big deal half the time.
The time tagger episode almost made it seem like fricking with time hardly effected anything major.
Then the only major things are when Adrien and Marinette find out each others hero Identity.
Why they trying to put this as some kind of terrible thing? Really it's just same world but with his wish completed.
Rewriting the world to get what you want is bad m'kay
Even if you just wanna change one thing for the good.
It's seems like BS they just tacked on last minute because they realized they need to change main villains and have to get rid of Gabriel's motivation.
They've sort of implied it's not as simple as that and destroying and remaking the world won't have it be exactly the same, plus someone else will be sacrificed in Emilie's place.
>Adrien never finds out Gabriel was Hawkmoth and apparently never will and Marinette just kind of lets him be since he has no more power.
Marinette and the show just lets Adrien live with his abuser for 4 more years?? lmao
it’s ok he said he’s sorry. meanwhile chloe loses her money and house just for being mean
Andre not being mayor anymore doesn't mean she's poor. They were already rich before that.
This. It just means she can't summon him for everything and anything anymore, since a rich hotel owner has no effect on schools and the police and any of that.
Reminder that Gabe is more sympathetic than Chloe... t.Astruc
Why is there no mention of Emile at all in season 5? Why the frick isn’t she brought up once? This and the fact that nino already told Adrien his identity even though it says it would take place this season. How reliable is the current bible.
I think it's a little old. The show is in a weird state where it's intended demographic has grown up a little, and they've adapted it a little less.
Could also be the difference between pitch bible and what they actually wanted to do.
[Spoiler]Adrien never finds out Gabriel was Hawkmoth and apparently never will and Marinette just kind of lets him be since he has no more power.[/spoiler]
Wtf
>Gabriel is defeated and at Ladybug's mercy
>"... Don't tell Adrien..."
>"Bitch, I'm calling the police!"
>Oh.
Finally, someone got it.
You and I are not so different.
You people are forgetting the most offensive spoiler.
>They get the dog Miraculous back for a while
>Alix is the holder
>Sabrina gets shit
>Sabrina becomes the half assed invisible powers again.
>Literally Gabriel is the one who gives her the dog powers despite not knowing she previously had them.
>Meanwhile, Ladybug shits on Sabrina out of association
>Alix is the holder
I mean, that's not that bad. As long as it's the current time line one at least. The girl needed something to do after all this nothing. I honestly had already given up on Sabrina so I don't care much about her getting nothing. At this point it's more funny how little she gets. What does Gabriel give her? A new Akumatization?
if we don't get a scene of Alix chasing cat noir as the dog I'm gonna fricking loose it.
>getting upset about Sabrin
lmao Sabrina is the second worst of the side characters. The only one who sucks worse than her is Mylene.
>lmao Sabrina is the second worst of the side characters. The only one who sucks worse than her is Mylene.
Not really.
Shit List:
#1 Mylene
#2 Ivan:
He has the lowest amount of development out of every single character; Marc isn’t even in the classroom and he has more)
#3 Zoey
#4 Nathaniel
> Be a Tumblr favorite during the show’s debut.
> Get zero development and fricked by production.
> Love both, Ladybug and Marinette.
> Retcon it to introduce someone else for the love triangle.
> Be the one sitting next to Lila, the important antagonist girl who surely will be present.
> Nothing ever comes out of that.
> Be close friends with Alix.
> Retcon it so Alix can better join Marinette’s group.
> Flanderized into Marc’s bf who he makes comics with, to have the fujo audience.
> Kim/Max gets debunked as collateral damage.
#5 Marc
Copy-paste of an average and overused gay fanfic
#6 Juleka
> Start prominent and become fan favorite.
> Get the shittiest Akuma whose powers get upstaged by many other Akuma such as Dark Blade and Beffana.
> Meanwhile you don’t even get a single weapon, just a shitty ray that doesn’t even stun/hurt your opponents, and which you CAN’T use against your main enemies.
> Get that shit 4 times, with Hawkmoth never fixing the main issue.
Going back to Juleka
> Production quickly gets rid off your gothic/punky attitude to turn you into a emo.
> Be shoved into lesbian shit with Rose, but production can’t decide about it and keep zigzagging.
> Get brother introduced as main love interest for the MC.
> Get jackshit relevance out of it.
> Sometimes they even forget you’re related.
> Lose your voice in Season 4, only for a shitty debut premise with Roarr.
> Get fricked by that decision and now you can only do almost inaudible mumbles.
> Get gaslighted over the seasons to get turned into the kid with special needs.
Sabrina is like #8-9
>leak has no mention of adrien being a sentimonster
bros...
It's still possible. Don't lose hope in your wild theory anon. Even if it would be a fun reveal. The leak was just a general summary, right? There are possibly still more secrets to be found in the episodes proper. Or at least I fricking hope. This leak shit has kind of killed a good amount of my interest in this season. Which is annoying since normally I kind of enjoy these kind of leaks. I can't decide if it's because I was actually more invested in this series than I thought or that the leaks have just sounded that bad.
Supposedly Felix only shows up once and otherwise stays out of the action so that's presumably a story for a later season.
This artstyle reminds me of Ninja Randy.
even worse.
zim ones
i think it was from a drawthread a while ago.
Jhonen was the designer for Randy as well
Jesus Christ, what a fricking shitshow.
I haven't been invested in this show for ages, yet, whilst I'm gone the show manages to get even worse.
It's almost impressive really. At this point I wonder if they're doing it on purpose or if they really are still trying to write a good story but are just this bad at it. I'm still trying to hope this stuff will be better in the actual episodes but it is getting harder to really believe that.
For the record based on the randomly deleted comments on in subreddit it seems like they're just trying to kill any potential mention of the leaks existence. Which is why nobody is talking about it.
Ok, anons.
Season 5 has ended and all the supposed spoilers here become canon.
You have just been hired by Zag to replace Astruc as the showrunner to write your way out of this shitfest.
What would you do to fix it?
I’d say “frick you Ass Truck”, and I’ll make the first episode ending up with a wish that resets everything in a new world where I can start from scratch and do things different and the way I want, with the excuse of such wish changing many aspects.
>King Monkey & Pegasus are rookie heroes-wannabes; no one knows their identities but themselves; Kim wants to be a hero out of excitement, but his powers keep fricking up and sometimes make things worse; he confided everything to Max who works analyzing to make Kim the hero he wishes to be; and so when Kim snatches a Miraculous (Horse), he gives it to Max.
>They always escape after changing the balance, either for better or worse. And both, Ladybug and Hawkmoth, try to get their Miraculous.
>Adrien is shown with more involvement and some episodes centered on him. We can see SoL in his modeling career interacting with people, including Aurore and Mirele, to expand his character.
>Chloe inviting Adrien to “hang out”, trying to get Adrien into dates with her until he falls in love, but Adrien’s oblivious ass never get them, he acts so innocent and sometimes makes Chloe look off.
>Adrien even invites Nino, with Chloe clenching her teeth for putting up with the third wheel ruining romance. Sabrina undercover hijinks ensue.
>Some Miraculous got lost and are laying somewhere in Paris, for random people to pick them up.
>Some Miraculous holders get defeated by an Akuma.
I’ll call that season, “The Butterfly Effect”
>Gabe goes to jail, still lurking and waiting for the right moment to be back
>Make Lila the unredeemable villain, but make her a compelling backstory.
>Bring back Felix also as a villain or an anti-hero
>Chat Noir breaks things out with Ladybug, they are still in good terms just not buying the "partners" bullshit
>Adrien gets adopted by The Gorilla
>Juleka becomes the main model of paris after Lila is kicked out for having no talent and Adrien gets blacklisted
>Chloe and Zoe go to NY and vanish because honestly she already got ruined as a character
>Luka becomes Jagged band lead guitar and goes away too
>Pegasus becomes the "guy in a chair" for CN. Kagami occasionally helps too.
>They both get to know Adrien's secret identity.
>Ladybug still has all other heroes as backup, though she is way more cautious in giving them out now.
I agree, though personally I have a different way I’d attempt to salvage Chloe, Sabrina, and Zoe as characters. Basically, Chloe gets to be a hero again, but through the monkey’s paw as I’d introduce a new villain who’s a scientist experimenting on captured and preserved akumas on the orders of a mysterious boss. Chloe is kidnapped and injected with an early experimental serum which gives her uncontrollable powers that she needs Zoe’s help to learn to control
Meanwhile, the scientist and his boss continue to give powers to random criminals to capture the miraculouses, while also paying Lila for a steady stream of untainted akumas, and to keep akumatizing people as a diversion
Nah man, let them go. Its too late for them. Astruc focused the last three sesons of his show to pulverize her character, there is no coming back.
Nothing is impossible if you’re creative and messed up enough… specifically I want her to lose a leg and I want it to be Marinette’s fault. Like unambiguously her fault
I like some of these ideas. Though personally I don't think it's really possible to give Lila a compelling backstory. She's a damn teenager. There is no way for her to have a compelling backstory without it sounding like some ridiculous nonsense. Sounds like a waste of effort really since I don't really think she's worth it. Nothing can really ever explain her ridiculous levels of spite. Adrien getting his own team is cool idea though. It's something I had been hoping for a while now and the potential of a Gabriel return would be cool. I had hoped that Adrien would get to see speak to him more now that he's no longer working as both a super villain and a fashion designer and the thought of Adrien confronting Gabriel about what he's done without any super powered fighting going on to distract either of them sounds interesting.
>Sounds like a waste of effort really since I don't really think she's worth it.
I get you, but she is going to be the main villain. She needs to have some kind of depth to her. Good villains need to be interesting.
> Nothing can really ever explain her ridiculous levels of spite.
If this wasnt a kids show they could go for the "abused as a child" route, but nothing besides this kind of extreme trauma would really fit.
>besides this kind of extreme trauma would really fit.
What if the reason why she has multiple parents and the potentially ability to make anyone believe her lies is because she was a lab test subject testing psychic powers who escaped the abusive experiments by telling the scientists she was allowed to leave
>I get you, but she is going to be the main villain. She needs to have some kind of depth to her. Good villains need to be interesting.
I see your point and I do agree with you. Probably why I can't help but think Lila would make a shit villain. Maybe it's just that since the show has done absolutely nothing to even hint at her having any depth, that I have trouble even imagining her having any. Though I'd be interested in seeing what could be done to salvage her. Because right now she's pretty much just a purely spiteful ball of lies that is only able to do what she does because the writers make everyone around her completely moronic whenever she's in an episode.
>Probably why I can't help but think Lila would make a shit villain.
with the way she is right now yeah. But she does have potential to become a great one. Honestly I always liked the "vixen villainess" trope, so Id think she would make a good villain by developing her better.
The show shoot itself in the foot by always focusing on Gabriel, so there wasnt a buildup for the next villlain. To make her interesting you'd need her to develop more as a character and slowly make her more sympathetic.
I think that's sort of my problem with her. I see her as having the potential to be a decent to maybe even good side villain that can do great things and even get some wins on both the heroes and sometimes the main villain but I can't really see her as one able to carry a series. Gabriel is the main villain and pretty much the most emotionally interesting character in the series and I can't really imagine the show without him at it's center to some extent. Honestly, I have a hard time imagining how the show can fill the void it would have if he left. Lila just doesn't seem up to the task on her own.
Lila's essentially going to be Season 1 Hawk Moth, from back when he had no backstory or sympathetic motivation and was simply being a spiteful bastard who hungered for more power. She'll be just fine for at least one season.
I can see the potential appeal of that. Though personally, I still feel season one is vastly improved by watching the origins episodes first so I may just not be the kind of viewer for that kind of villain.
Lila's main quality as a character is her contrast with marinette's personality. They are both smart, cunning and have controlling personalities. Though one does it for morally good things and other for morally evil ones.
If this is well explored, I think their rivalry can develop into something really interesting.
>I had hoped that Adrien would get to see speak to him more now that he's no longer working as both a super villain and a fashion designer and the thought of Adrien confronting Gabriel about what he's done without any super powered fighting going on to distract either of them sounds interesting.
It would be really ironic to see Adrien talking more with his dad while he is in jail than he ever did when they lived in the same house.
why'd they make her so cute tho
do we have any dates on the english release?
>STILL no Akumatized Marinette
we just keep losing
never gonna happen unless she conveniently doesn't have her miraculous on for some reason
but who else is saving the day if she gets akumatized?
Yeah, I can't help but think even if she did get Akumatized that in the end she'd end up being the one to stop herself somehow and still save the day. But that's an impossible situation. Marinette would never get Akumatized.
only way i see marinette being akumitized is if as it's happening she throws her earrings to alya
Sure, but even then I can't help but think it will end like Hack-San did where Marinette still saves the day. At the very least maybe they can have some fun with it.
>Akumatized Ladybug is unstoppable and is about to end Chat Noir for good
>Chat reminds her that she's a superhero and is stronger than Hawk Moth's power, and the rest of Paris encourages her further
>Ladybug finds her mind and purges the butterfly out of her all by herself
See you next week.
That alternative timeline in the bunnyx episode where cat noir gets akumatized show us that a miracolus holder akumatized while is transformed is hard to control and it would be the same case with marinette
It's Marinette. The plot ALWAYS bends in her favor.
her miraculous is luck... so yeah
No i mean that it will be more like ths
>Marinette gets akumatized
>Hawk moth tries to give orders to her
>She is sunken in her anger so she doesnt listen to him
>does some mess in the city
>cat noir and maybe alya go behind her
>they manage to break the akumatized object
>since they dont have the yo-yo to deakumatize the butterfly this just go to possess some one else
>ladybug and cat noir have the episodical fight with the person akumatized
ENTER
No Mr. Bug is coming back in a different episode. I presume it'll be Alya who saves the day.
The premise of Derision seems to imply Marinette is finally getting Akumatized.
But they also confirmed it will be Kim again as a Dark Cupid thing again
https://twitter.com/Thomas_Astruc/status/1535553313877508096
it's getting more likes/retweets. maybe we'll see a meltdown.
No, they already informed the Miraculous influencers and now they have their sheep ready to bomb any comment regarding the leaks.
If any of us spread the word about it, the hivemind of bootlickers will come at and fill in to take down any post.
>Implying Astruc gives a shit about this show anymore
He clearly stopped trying a long time ago
Now we just have to wait and find out if Ass Truck trying is worse than him not trying.
>name is lila
>she lies
bravo nolan
Personally, I don't want Lila to have any sob story behind why she is what she is. I had enough of that with Gabriel, and they couldn't even stay consistent with it.
>she's pretty much just a purely spiteful ball of lies that is only able to do what she does because the writers make everyone around her completely moronic whenever she's in an episode.
She's literally brainwashing multiple grown women into thinking she's their daughter. This has gone beyond writer-induced stupidity and well into implications that this girl is NOT human.
Can anyone post serious spoilers from the Bible? It seems the real information is being mixed up with fake info to confuse us.
>fake info
Where are you getting that idea from?
Well, I'm reading several versions of the ending. Also, I believe that even if "The Last Day" is because time is running out, I believe Ladybug should find an alternative way to save Emilie.
Besides, how can be Gabriel be running out of time if the Miraculous would allow him to rewrite history?
>the ending?
of the series? didnt ascuck said that the series it was going to last like 8 or 9 seasons?
>Besides, how can be Gabriel be running out of time if the Miraculous would allow him to rewrite history?
because the writers of this show don't come up with a set of rules for this universe, and then think of conflicts that can arise because of those rules. they just want to do a 'Gabriel is desperate and lashing out' plotline so they made up a bunch of arbitrary bullshit about how the Miraculous work to justify it.
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13
Damn, the way they're going to handle Zoe and Marinette is way more violent than I thought it would be.
frick off /misc/, go back to your own channel
I just want her to be happy is that so much to ask from that fat french frick.
At least I still have that fanfic I'm working on were she has a threesome with Aurore and Mireille
>threesome with Aurore and Mireille
I mean if anyone was going to get that kind of happy ending, why not have it be Sabrina? She deserves a break. Definitely looking forward to that anon.
Can anyone confirm if Ladybug recovers each Miraculous in the episodes with the names of their concepts?
We only know she gets back the Bunny in the first episode to immediately remove such a dangerous power from Gabriel's hand, and then she has Alix take it and hide in the time burrow so that he can't get it back.
She only takes back the Bunny and possibly the mouse. The rest Gabriel possesses for the rest of the season till the finale.
The images from Mundo Gloob's promos beg to differ.
I mean, in one image, Monarch has the ring of the Rat in the same finger than the ring of the Dragon. Then, in its poster, the Rat's ring is gone. I think it's a clear sign he's going to lose the Miraculous one by one.
The leak says otherwise.
Aren't the posters mostly just works to drum up hype and not really meant to be taken literally?
Any of those spoilers say anything about them confronting felix? Or this will be just dropped entirely?
He's in one episode and that's apparently it. That's being saved for later on.
How will he be involved later on? Doesn't he live in fricking England?
Distance means nothing in this show. They can literally go to the other side of th world and back in minutes with power-ups.
I guess. Still seems dumb. I suppose they're pull some shit with him moving to Paris along with Lila being re-enrolled in school.
I suppose the episode where that will happen is "Emotion", as it's the concept of the Peawiener Miraculous.
I'd really like to see how they shove Felix into a plot like this:
Adrien must attend the Diamonds’ Dance organized by his father and Mrs. Tsurugi.
He will be the King of the Ball alongside Kagami, who has been chosen to be this
year’s Queen. Neither Adrien nor Kagami want to go, but they are only teenagers
who cannot disobey their parents’ orders.
When she finds out that Adrien did not dare to tell her about the dance, Marinette
decides to go too. But how will she enter such a private event where she does not
seem to be welcome at all?
This is some high school prom shit.
so I assume at this point Monarch knows who LB is?
They're gonna tread the same plotline as every other Felix appearance and make him pretend to be Adrien and attend the dance for who knows what reason.
kagami x Felix lets fricking go! I need to see a fight between those two.
The summary for Felix's episode being something like this and Kagami getting spirited away in the next has me wondering if they're gonna pair the two together.
It's a surprisingly popular ship in Brazil, and we already know they're willing to toss around side characters for Brazil-pandering because nobody else except the mains matter.
someone gets one forum or one website to read the leaks?
just download it from the last thread
what thread? this is the only active thread about this topic (I am not accustomed to using Cinemaphile)
Seriously? Go back.
Yeah, I don't know which other thread you are talking about.
Which is the last thread, please?
Nor him, but I actually quoted back to the thread where the leak was posted. You can get through here and browse through the thread. The link should be somewhere.
*ruins your life*
Fu never had a life to begin with. He was a pathetic man that spent his entire life living in fear.
If anything HM freed him from his burden.
Yeah, frick Fu, he ruined Marinette’s life, someday she will have to forget her whole life just because of that shithead’s rushed plan.
Eh, I sort of doubt that. Things are too easy for Marinette for that to happen I think. I'm expecting her to get by that whole "losing your memory when you pass on the role of Guardian" nonsense by some loophole. Like abolishing the idea of a guardian instead and permanently handing out the Miraculous to everyone. No passing on the role of guardian means no need for her to lose her memories.
I don't think that rule even exists outside that one episode. Asstruck constantly makes shit up on the fly only to immediately drop it afterwards.
like how kwami’s can’t be detected through technology yet mari has a phone specifically to contact them
It's in at least two episodes already. Miracle Queen and Furious Fu. Now it's possible they could go back on it but that would be exceptionally lame. It is a dumb rule but going back on it now would be a ridiculous choice. I think it's more likely she'll just find a loophole.
Or she just could give the box to the monk so he gives it to someone else
Yeah, but he won't be able to pick a new guardian of the box unless she gives up guardianship to him. Which would cause her to lose her memories. If she just gives up the box all they'll have is the box but it won't obey whoever gets it's orders since they aren't the guardian.
The obvious solution is she always keeps a miraculous on hand, one of the useless minor ones like the one she gave Rose, and never 'formally' passes over the box to the new kid even if new kid effectively keeps the thing.
*no longer possible*
She gets them back eventually
*gives you a smirk*
And I am so glad for it. She was the last person who deserved that kind of reassurance.
Not that anon but it's this one.
>anon lets watch a movie
okay
tonights movie is Ilsa: she wolf of the SS
good pit game
Does anyone have the actual PDF for the bible?
>zoe is actually gay
one way to stomp the luka ship i guess
better ending
>hawkie gets the miraculous
>wants to make his wish
>in order for your wish to come true you have to give something up of equal value
>he gives up his own life so emilie can live
HIRE ME ASSTRUCK
Alright, here's one of my own.
>Gabriel manages to start the wish.
>At the last moment, however, Adrien manages to intercept the wish.
>He decided that he wished his dad never became Hawk Moth.
>This results in a hard reboot of the entire series with Lila as Hawk Moth.
>This results in a hard reboot of the entire series with Lila as Hawk Moth.
I like everything but this part. Honestly, if things were reset I'd sooner believe Nathalie becomes the new Hawk Moth out of jealousy that she can't get Gabriel instead.
>people on twitter full on spamming this thread
>thread is dead
frickin' bob
this is the BIGGEST bullshit i’ve EVER seen
But does Gabriel learn Marinette's identity as well?
It doesn't say, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never does and they just kind of leave it with nobody but Marinette ever knowing what truly happened.
bullshit that is not in the bible
page 27 motherfricker
these mother frickers. Actually thought they could get away with this shit. If anything now that all this is exposed they are gunna have to force changes to season 6.
is there anything in here about Adrien being a sentimonster.
there isn’t but they’re like zero mention of the shit that’s happening with felix and gabe in season 4 so
frick so that shit is probably hidden from the bible? maybe it was hard to explain that shit to investors or third party affiliates so they added that shit in there without outright saying it. If there is no sentimonster revelation wtf is all that stuff they alluded to in season 4.
Also no mention of Adrien finding Felix's spyglass?
>If there is no sentimonster revelation wtf is all that stuff they alluded to in season 4.
Asstruck being fickle with plot ideas again.
even the ambassadors straight up said they were. Why the frick are they not commenting on any of this shit?
The ambassadors don't know what they're saying half the time. They're only paid to raise hype.
this version of the bible is last updated november 2020 so it IS old.
I doubt it would get that thorough. This bible seems more like a rough outline of the series rather than a summary of it. Just the simple to understand bones of the series without any of the meat and muscle that makes it move, if you catch my drift. Or at least I hope so.
Yea that's the impression I get a lot of important points are out there but the real meat and potatoes are still a mystery. Still excited for season 5 the first few episodes seem pretty intriguing.
Presumably that's to at least leave some mystery for later seasons. Since the love square is seeming ending with Marinette and Adrien getting together I would expect "Is Adrien a sentimonster?" to be the next long played out plot. Since Gabriel isn't going anywhere it's not like there's urgent need to reveal it before the season is over.
You know what this tells me? Either this means that Adrien was never a Sentimonster and this was all one big tease or it's canon but they shoehorned it in late into production because Astruc saw the theory and thought it'd be a cool twist. Given that shit like Felix being Adrien's cousin, Chloe having a sister, and Chat Blanc were all fan ideas before Astruc got his mitts on them, it's very likely that the Sentidrien idea was not part of the premise, but Astruc added it in solely because it sounded cool.
Anon one of the ambassadors knew about sentimonster Adrien since season 2, and there were little hints back in season 1 like Gabriel calling him flawless, Gabriel saying Adrien isn't like everybody else, pic related, etc.
Anita's proof of sentitheory was her asking astruc at a con if her theory was right. She didn't read it in any material.
idk who anita is but I'm talking about the mexican twitter
Anita is the Ambassador for Mexico iirc
The person runs the mexico twitter is called Feri.
no anita is this person https://twitter.com/ladyofacat?lang=en
the Mexican account is run by ferisae
Anita's twitter is ladyofacat.
Anita is another ambassador @ladyofacat
speaking of the ambassadors this is what anita had to say a lot has been revealed but a lot of shit still to look forward to and stuff probably did change from the bible. Makes sense considering the whole part of nino revealing his superhero persona to adiren in season 5 but he already did that in season 4. Makes you wonder what other changes have been made. Clearly a shit show but still a mystery even in the midst of all this revelation.
your all exposing yourselves as twitter gays go back and stop fricking up this thread. MLB threads on co are comfy and you morons with your need to analyze everything about this show is fricking obnoxious.
MLB threads have never been comfy frick off.
these threads are webms of lude shots of the main cast and fanart with some theories mixed in. They come and go organically. Now you c**ts come over to find info about the leak but you idiots don't even realize that we had the leak on Cinemaphile days ago. The mother fricker dropped it and dipped.
Just because I'm not on Cinemaphile every day doesn't mean I haven't been here longer than you.
You homosexuals don’t here often because you r on twitter with your Marinette or Adrien profile pics posting your fave love square moments and now you come here to get dirt. You are abhorrent scum bags and I hope you fall down a set of stairs and not die but break some toes so your in pain for a few weeks.
frick off projecting homosexual, frick yourself in the mouth with a taser
Just go back there’s nothing for you here
Take your meds
i’ve been on these threads occasionally for 5 years. i haven’t been on them lately because there’s been no new episodes. excuuuuuuse me for missing like ONE thread
lmaoooo somebody's mad they didn't pick up on the show's sentimonster clues until we were already balls deep in season 4
I have been really good at not believing true former crackpot fan theories until they are directly confirmed, most notably Steven Universe's.
I've accepted this one's though.
See you gays tomorrow, then a few hours after the dub comes out.
There really were no clues that didn't sound like actual lunacy until season 4 actually made it start sounding legit. Sentimonsters weren't even a thing until season 3 and it wasn't until the very end of the season that we saw a Sentimonster that wasn't a mindless monster with the Ladybug one which is also when the show revealed that Sentimonsters could be carefully crafted by the user itself and not just like Akuma's but as seperate monsters.
So anyone saying they called Adrien being a Sentimonster back in like season 1 is full of shit because they weren't even introduced as a concept until much later.
What was event the point of the whole Emilie - Gabriel - Nathalie love triangle? That used to be the richest emotional tension in the show. I really thought, after the episode Ladybug, that Gabriel was going to face some internal conflict over his actions. I wanted to see him pulled in two different directions. He has literally devolved from an interesting character into a one-dimensional cartoon villain. It’s so disappointing. And what was even the point of Nathalie’s feelings for him if it wasn’t going to create conflict or impact his choices? It’s meaningless writing. I’m furious.
It is another parallel between Adrien and Gabriel. Gabriel is oblivious to Nathalie's love for him just like Adrien is oblivious to Marinette's crush on him.
>make nino so fricking moronic that he can’t be the replacement cat and you have to bring in the dyke mary sue
And if they wanted to give Marinette a female love interest, Kagami is right there, is a way better character, and has much better chemistry with her.
This sad that there isnt gonna be more episodes about the two because the writers dont know what to do with her after she broke with adrien
They gotta put her with Felix. Fricking telling you that would be gold. Felix is a rebel and just comes over and breaks shit. Kagami is gunna keep him on a tight leash.
it says kagami will kiss adrien in season 5 tho
where?!?! maybe it's felix in disguise?
Sorry Anon I was mistaken, ignore me. I thought it said Season 5 when it was Season 5. Gomenasorry.
I CANT FRICKING TYPE IM DYSLEXIC
I THOUGHT IT SAID SEASON 5
IT WAS SEASON 3
THREE
T H R E E
HOLY SHIT
anon why are you sperging out and tagging your own posts I asked one question lol
didn’t want to get anyone’s hopes up with a mistake
The biggest shocker to me is that Felix's last name isn't Graham de Vanilli. This kid's gonna go through a second name change lmao
Why does Astruc hate Chloe so much?
He literally just wanted to write another Mandy from Totally Spies and got buttmad when people wanted more than that. People can screech about how it was "INTENTIONAL" all they want. It's still bad writing which could be applied to literally all the characters of Miraculous and that includes Marinette and Adrien. Chloe just happens to be one of the worst examples of the writing next to Sabrina. Speaking of Sabrina, GREAT TO HEAR THAT SHE'S NEVER GOING TO GET ANYTHING MEANINGFUL IN THIS SERIES OR EVEN MOVE AWAY FROM CHLOE GOING BY THE LEAKS! FRICK THIS SHOW FOR EVEN TRYING TO TELL ME TO FEEL BAD FOR HER WHEN THEY CLEARLY FRICKING DON'T CARE FOR HER IN THE SLIGHTEST.
this bible isn’t very organized. in the list of who uses a miraculous it doesn’t even say felix will use the peawiener. when in a different part of the doc it does
It's not complete yeah. It also contradicts itself at least once. But is that really surprising?
why the frick is nobody mentioning that cat noir is gonna KILL someone
holy fricking based I hope it's Mylene
Weren't we supposed to get the first S5 episode today?
Yeah. We'll know how accurate the bible is once it's out.
13th June 19:30 Brazil Time. So for whatever timezone you're in it's today or tomorrow
In ep 23 it says adrien has a giant secret to tell mari. and this is AFTER they started dating/learned identities. what else could it be besides he’s a sentimonster?
>what else could it be besides he’s a sentimonster?
Drink your Ovaltine
maybe that he's cat noir? I'm not sure if they will do a one-sided reveal again or maybe they will just keep that a mystery until later seasons?
I spent 4 hours reading the entire bible and I have such a splitting headache now
From 4h straight reading on my phone and also because of the contents
lol why anon why would you read it 4 times
Post the parts of it that infuriated you the most.
Cons:
lilamoth evil mastermind somehow more cunning than gabe
adrien never finding out gabe identity
when the hell do lb and cn reveal to each other
Pros:
no mention of sentitheory
chloe redemption never
adrien gets his kwagatama finally
>chloe redemption never
At this point, I'm more mad that Zoe is being promoted to potential love interest than Chloe not being redeemed. That said, if what some anons are saying is true, I am really fricking glad Andre is no longer going to be Mayor. Just fricking cuck Chloe out of power already.
She like... fakes a redemption and becomes assistant class rep under lila (ousting adrinette) but I think that's near the end of the school year when andre is mayor and mendewhatever is principal so there might be a reset in lycee when lila reinvents herself and bustier becomes mayor
>All the while, Sabrina literally gets nothing.
On one hand, I'm glad that they're not blueballing us out of Lila anymore. On the other hand, I'm sick of Chloe being stuck in antagonist land.
Sabrina gets akumatized in the zoenette ep so there might be some chloebrina moments as well like in miraculer. But she's a little weasel who does not deserve a mirac again.
I'm not surprised. We always knew Marinette was a reverse harem protag. I welcome Kagami, Zoe, and Kim joining it.
>Kim
Frick I hope so. I've kind of learned to like that monkey boy and I want to see him do something again. Anything at this point. Kagami getting some time is just a bonus.
all the bible said was that he had a big crush on her a year ago but he loves ondine now
Wait, what? Kim also had a crush on Marinette? He's another dude who fell for her? How many does that make it? Five? Six? I thought he was into Chloe?
it was marinette to chloe to ondine
Kim and mari had a crush on eachother last year. Mari tried to confess but chloe humiliated her which gave her trauma and why she can't confess to adrien. After this he fell for chloe and then realized he had feelings for ondine the whole time.
kim and marinette would have been so cute wtf chloe. but this doesn’t make sense. chloe knew marinette liked adrien a long ass time ago. why did she never humiliate her?
I think it would have made her look terrible in front of adrien which is why he cuts her off for good when he finds out about mari's trauma. She kicks it up a notch after that.
remember in animaestro when she found out her crush and decided she wasn't worth it. Chloe ended up being right the whole time Marinette didn't have the balls for the past 4 seasons. It looks like Adrien is gunna be the one to finally do something about all of this.
>and besides of all of this kim risked his life to save chloe that time
Kim is a good man
Really? Now that's something. Is that supposed to eventually show up in an episode or is it just background information? It would explain some things and honestly, I wouldn't mind Marinette and Kim interacting a bit. Though it is kind of funny to think that after Chloe embarrassed Marinette, Kim dropped all interest in Marinette and set his sights on Chloe instead. I've always kind of thought it was sort of cool of him that he looked at the massively spoiled rich b***h that was Chloe and said to himself, "I can take her".
Frick off I need more females to start going after and molesting the catboi the lack of anansi x cat noir fanart/fanfiction is fricking pathetic in this fandom.
CN peril is a given whether more girls are added to adrien's harem or not.
now I have an excuse to post this.
Chloe will still have some power, supposedly she will manipulate Mendeleyiev to have the Principal’s power.
>chloe redemption never
Honestly, after the mess they've done with her after the season three finale and all of season four, I'm find with them just leaving her alone. Though it does make me wonder what they were thinking with this scene though. Didn't seem like she was till being set up to be an antagonist. Seemed like she was just as afraid as Zoe was. Strange to think that right after this she just goes back to helping Lila but I suppose I shouldn't' be too surprised.
Damn anon. Get some rest soon. I couldn't bring myself to read it all since I find myself surprisingly still invested in this show and it's story. Specifically the Agreste half of it. But from a quick skim I did see one thing for season five that I want to confirm. I believe it said we'd see The Pharaoh again in a season five episode. Is that true? The dude was always one of my favorite villains and I was always disappointed the only other time we saw him was in that mess of wasted opportunities that was Scarlet Moth.
this twitter stuff is very boring
>teacher will become mayor
>she’s gay
in your dreams a lesbian will be paris’s mayor
wasn't she pregnant?
She probably had a sperm donor
She and her partner probably use a sperm donor. She has the baby over the summer and then becomes mayor
>Passion is about Mari trying to confess to CN and Adrien trying to confess to Mari
>gorilla and nathalie get akumatized
>they have to switch miraculouses again
honestly sounds like a super fun episode
>one third of marinette’s class has had a crush on her at some point
Literally everyone in the world wants to bang adrien according to the bible so it evens out
At this point it may be better to just ask who didn't have a crush on Marinette.
everyone wants marinette
Marc.
i... i would do things to marc.
Nathaniel please
Ivan
this is just straight up false
Some of the details have changed over time.
yea that's a pretty big detail, How much of this shit has changed since they made this bible. I. guess once the episodes have started coming out we can piece together the changes.
Are you one of that girls friends or something? the frick would you know that. It's not just her it's ferisae as well or are they both just autistic morons
homie I need b***hed to torture him so I can coom tf do you not understand.
Anita literally tweeted after felix aired that she had been sitting on the news for 2 years ever since astruc proved her theory right when she asked him at a con
is there a screenshot of her saying this? Why do both ambassadors say the same thing unless it's just to mislead everyone.
>mari’s face when she’s encouraging kim to ask out a girl
the face of pain
Can feri fricking unlock so I can search her tweets
she looks older here
>
Is it bad to still be mad or at least, disappointed about Chloe? I hate that this story just wasted my time with her with almost nothing to show for it.
Anon it’s been so many years just give it a rest. Like every thread we have this discussion. It is what it is.
It still hurts, anon. I hate it. And just as I was starting to get over this disappointment, another shitshow just adds to it.
Just do what I do and start writing your own thing with a much better mean girl arc
One of my personal mottos is “if you can’t change it, do better than it”
No, I don't think so. Honestly, the only character that got more time than her was Marinette and Gabriel. She was a big deal and her arc was pretty much one of the only ones the series had. I don't blame you for still being upset.
if anyone's a sentimonster it's felix. this is why he wanted and knew about the peawiener miraculous.
Reminder that one of the draft scripts for Origins had Chloe prank Marinette with a fart cushion instead of gum
>Adrien and Marinette's first enconter occur over a fart cushion
Yeah... i see why they dropped it
>Zoe is into Marinette
You know what... I kinda saw that coming... I don't how I don't why but I did...
>Zoe using the Cat Miraculous
Uh... on one hand let's hope the outfit looks good. On the other, what? Why Zoe of all people? Like Alya returning as Scarabella I get it, she knows about Marinette being Ladybug and we got Hack-San that had Marinette entrusting Alya with Tikki in case she's not available in Paris as Ladybug. But Zoe? Are they implying Zoe somehow finds out Adrien is Chat Noir and/or Maribug and that's why she's the one entrusted with Plagg? Poor Nino if that's the case...
>Adrien never finds out Gabe is Hawkmoth
That's a load of bullshit that I feel will infuriate pretty much everybody in the fandom. What is this shit?!
>Uh... on one hand let's hope the outfit looks good.
That is a safe bet. Tight is good.
The resemblance is uncanny
I know this is a thread for chimping out about spoilers but I've gotta heap some praise real quick as a new fan.
I went into this show expecting simple kiddie bullshit being desperately elevated by manchildren a la the pastel pony show, but after binging all the way to the end of season 4 over a week I honestly found it to be a surprisingly soulful and well-executed sendup of the magical girl genre.
Last time I doubt the French.
You the anon who was posing about starting it a little while ago? Either way, I'm glad to see you enjoyed the show. Honestly, this series kind of impressed me as well. It's not perfect but it has aspects that I really enjoyed and I can't deny that.
cool gal
>marinette is adrien's princess charming trying to free him from gabe's gilded cage yada yada
>she finds out gabe is hawky and doesn't tell anyone, so adrien is forced to live with sore loser gabe for at least 4 more years
It's ok, Gabriel feels bad about it all
I'm assuming she's gonna shame him into forgetting about destroying the world in some attempt to recapture the past instead of just appreciating Adrien as he is now and Gabriel will somehow agree.
Hawky should be in jail and Adrien should go live in London with his aunt.
This is actually incredibly stupid. One of the things I wanted to see the most, even if it was badly written, was the reveal of Gabriel's true identity to CN, but of course the writers can't do anything remotely good with their show even when it's sitting right in front of them. I really hope this is fake or was changed later on, cause holy shit. Disappointed but not surprised.
>40 year old men arguing over a show made for 6 year old girls
WDYTYA
Also cartoons with any semblance of overarching plot are made for manchildren and/or tumblrinas these days, the listed target demographic sure the frick doesn't watch them
>Man that was an abusive father and did casual terrorism for 2 years straight
>Gets away with it with a simple slap on the wrist because "he feels bad about it"
The absolute state of this show.
not to mention that he intentionally lost the butterfly and he allowed lila to be the new hawkmoth for like 10 years
Anyone who unironically defends this are actually more braindead than people who wanted Chloe to be redeemed. If anything, this just strengthens the fact that this show is plagued with more double standards than Steven Universe.
>Yeah guys he did almost start a nuclear war but it's okay because he felt bad about it!
Nowhere does it say she lets him get away with it because he felt bad about it. Marinette keeps it a secret to not upend adrien's life. And she's not law enforcement.
I'm sure Adrien would appreciate much more knowing his father was trying to kill him and tormented him in both of his lives.
>And she's not law enforcement.
She isn't but she can call the law enforcement.
the whole show has been leading up to LB using the cat and the bug at the same time. what amazing name will it have?
>bugnoir
Ladycat
bugnoir is the name in the bible
No, bugnoire is
potato potato
Gross.
Ew.... petition to stick with Lady Chat/Lady Cat instead?
>Chloe, a bully who's also a neglected child with unaddressed issues, is destined to be evil and should be damned for all time because she was mean to Marinette.
>Gabriel, an abusive father who tormented all of Paris and attempted to destroy the world multiple times, loses his powers and is just allowed to go free for...reasons.
If you unironically try to defend the writing at this point, you're a fricking idiot.
Chloe convinces the entire class that she changed and now everyone likes her. Who cares if her dad isn't mayor anymore.
>Mari believes this
>She now likes Chloe too
>Adrien who broke his friendship with Chloe also buys it
>He repairs his friendship with her
This would just ask to be mocked if it happens
No it explicitly says everyone except adrinette falls for it
Thank God, it would've been absolute bullshit if the two people who don't buy Lila's bullshit buy it via a proxy
Chloe is also being puppeted by Lila according to the leak. Even if she wasn't, how the frick does that justify Gabriel going free?
I'm not justifying gabriel going free because marinette is fricking stupid for allowing it. I'm just saying that
1. Gabe isn't remorseful
2. Chloe isn't at rock bottom anymore
>Gabe isn't remorseful
I fail to see how that's any better. The fact that an abusive father gets to keep on working without any lasting consequences while a maladjusted teenager is damned to being the new big bad's puppet because she was a bully (which is somehow worse than being a villain according to this show) sickens me in a way I can't describe.
Chloegays are so fricking funny
Gabrielgays are even funnier.
What the frick are you talking about schizo
No need to be a Chloegay, the terrorist who almost started a nuclear war and was an incredibly awful and abusive father getting away with it while a 14-year-old is getting damned for the rest of her life is just extremely bad storytelling.
Yeah you just proved you didn't read the bible though. Not only is chloe popular now but "lila" peaces out at the end of the season and joins the next class under a new identity. So chloe isn't her pawn anymore.
So, the teenager is still eviler than the fully grown adult. And you're saying this is good storytelling because?
Nowhere did I say that, moron. You're just making up shit to be mad at
And you're not giving me a reason to believe any of this would be good, moron.
Read the bible and/or kys
Damned how? Because her dad can't be mayor forever?
I swear Chloegays like to make her out to be some hapless victim, that's why nobody will ever take you seriously. We don't even know if it's going to play out the same since the bible has info that didn't make it to the show and it's not like Mari can just outright tell the world about him without dire consequences for Adrien. They're probably going to use it for drama later on in the series too.
>Still no episode(s) about miracoulus team
That's not happening until season 6 at the earliest.
how in the actual FRICK are they gonna keep the show interesting with solo butterfly lila for 2+ seasons?
They could try to make it more action and gimmick packed since there's no more hiding and LB and CN can straight up outfight Akuma now that they no longer have the timer and power limit.
i wonder why chloe is in the heroes section and not the baddy section
The reason why Gabe gets away with it is because the show doesn't want to change the status quo, he going to jail would dramatically change Adrien's life and his subplot so they are keeping Gabe in the show.
Really, Lila becoming Hawk Moth is just a difference in name only, after that we will have the same old Miraculous Ladybug.
anyone else not care about the plot and just watch it for the sexy characters
Kinda confusing seeing people say the entire season's plot has been leaked when any mention of what was in this bible seems to skip off every bit of connective tissue that makes anything makes sense.
Oh, and there's also felix. I have not seen a single mention of that dweeb in this bible.
Felix's peawiener name is argos and his senti's name is red moon. He shows up in emotion. His dad's name is Fathom
*colt fathom
I read that surname as "Fanthom" kek
What's funny about emotion is that it's about adrien and kagami not wanting to go to an event so maybe he and felix switcheroo AGAIN
felix will be too busy being in his clown costume
If felix comes back to paris because duusuu makes him feel bad for dooming the kwamis then he's going to want to sneak into that event probably being held at the mansion
Marizoe cute and canon endgame
I'm kind of surprised to see how many anons here thought Gabriel was going to get a punishment for his actions. At most I had thought he'd get sacrificed or something by the Miraculous to save Adrien. Being tragic seems to be the Agreste family past time. In a way, I would have thought failing to bring back Emilie would be punishment enough for him. I'm also surprised by those calling him abusive. I don't remember there being this many anons against him during all of season four's run or before that. Did the recent leaks bring in this many new anons?
Either way, all I know is that this new episode can't come soon enough. I want to see how accurate that series bible is and on average how much information it left out.
Honestly it makes more sense for him to get away with it than a billionaire actually go to jail
I mean I think even (you) expected at least to get Adrien finding out the truth about Gabe and the two actually having a proper confrontation and resolution about it. They don't even seem to give us that...
Oh absolutely. That is a massive missed opportunity and I still can't believe the Bible says they'll miss out on it. Gabriel and Adrien are the main emotional heart of this series and to think they'll entirely avoid their confrontation is ridiculous. It had honestly been the thing I was looking forward to the most. It's especially irritating that they'll have Marinette, the one with absolutely no emotional connection to Gabriel, be the one to find out his secret. That's just terrible story telling. I can't imagine them being able to make it work in the actual episode.
How could they lead us on with Adrien finding Felix’s spy gadget in S4 and then NOT have him find out about his dad? Hoping they rewrote that part of the bible since it’s been a while since it was updated.
This show is just going to be a miserable slog from here on out, isn't it?
I'm not sure. Honestly, probably. It's going to be hard to avoid the anger and bitterness the bad decisions that leak spelled out for us. It's probably going to get worse once they get revealed to be completely true. I'm hoping at least the thread will chill out a bit after the leak hype dies. I miss when everyone was enjoying Felix being a conniving shit and achieving his goals in only four episodes.
>I'm also surprised by those calling him abusive.
Remember in like season 2 he considered goving up being Hawkmoth because he was worried for his son?
Then remember like two seasons later his FIRST instinct upon learning his son was CN was to gleefully torture him emotionally so he could brainwash him?
Eh, those bad end episodes always have the characters act out of line and in ways they don't in normal episodes.
>I'm also surprised by those calling him abusive
forget about that just think in the citicens they cant get mad or sad or have a strong negative emotion because some black butterfly is gonna turn them into monsters
you'd think a city that has its own supervillain who preys on its citizen's negative emotions on a near daily basis there would be more councelling or PSAs or workshops on how to deal with strong negative emotions and shit like that
Sure, but by the look of it usually only one person a week feels those emotions. It seems to be an exception when it happens more often than that. Miraculous Paris is apparently a perfect place.
I can't find the bible and no one is willing to actually link it so I'm assuming you're all bullshitting and making things up
Lurk more in the thread, some sent the post the bible was first posted
it's been linked several times in this thread
go away twitter
>Gabe gets away with everything at the cost of Emilie
It is... acceptable.
I too m curious. Can someone please post a recap of the leak or something ? Thank you.
Lurk in the thread someone posted the post with the link to the Bible, which is 113 pages...
just go to archives, find last ladybug thread, go in and crtl f and type catbox
if you're wondering why there's so many newbie-tier posts it's because they're social media tourists, it's been circulating that the leak originated on Cinemaphile and people too stupid to find it themselves are trying to beg for it here
Oh no no Miraculous bros how could we have done this?!?
Who's this and why should we care?
pffft Gloob came in to spoil us the first minute of the episode
Ha! Gloob got so cucked from the spoiling game they are trying to scratch all the scraps they can pull.
THIS IS ALL FELIX'S FAULT!! HE STOLE LADYBUG'S YO-YO AND GAVE ALL THE MIRACULOUSES INSIDE TO HIS ROTTEN UNCLE!! THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THAT JERK OF A COUSIN' I"M HOPING HE DIES A PAINFUL DEATH!!!!
#Killfelix
calm down adrien
Not really anything important there, though Im calling bullshit the fact Chat can break the turtle's shield with only his baton. Wasnt that shit supposed to be undestructible?
>Chat Noir didn’t even needed a Cataclysm to break the shield
Turtle Miraculous is such a joke, it definitely belongs to Nino
you say that when shellter saved rena from a ferris wheel flying at her at mach speed
>the "Nino is a joke" point anon made completely flew over anon's head
but the turtle isn’t a joke so the joke makes no sense
he could have saved her without yelling her name and revealing her location and status, what was he thinking?
so how long until we get the episode in english? or are the subs from the brazil version acceptable?
They didn't announce the English release so subs are acceptable
Zoe also took Juleka's "I'm shy" personality and Mylene's "I wanna be an actress", or Lila's lying schtick but this time is for good reason guise!
watching people tear themselves apart for spoliers on twitter is truly incredible. One of the best things Ive seen is a fandom eat itself apart like what is happening now.
>Marinette left with PTSD
>can't look at Adrien without second guessing if he's Felix tricking her again
Good. She’s a b***h who have fricked up twice in season finales for her simpness to Adrien.
IF someone stil wants the bible
https://files.catbox.moe/1auemy.pdf
Magical Charms and MegAkumas were a mistake
That makes it look like Adrien and Marinette are a couple
>confidential
:^)
Called it. Though I was kind of hoping the drawing upon the memories of previous holder a would be a thing for Adrien instead. The dude needs the help more than Ladybug does.
Anons remind me, did she give Chloe a charm in Penalteam?
She doesn't
Holy kek and Chloe gets Akumatized AGAIN in Revolution
Also at this point... are we sure Lila isn't actually a grown-ass woman larping as a 14 year old?
Hmm I wonder why they specify a sentimonster baby turning into a child...
Argos???
Felix Fathom the son of a billionaire
argus is a peawiener. argos is another way to spell it.
What hour is the episode and where can I watch?
What do you guys think about Chrysalis being Lilas name with the Butterfly miraculous
>Lila is LITERALLY the Greatest actress in the entire world
>It's even more insane in S5
>EVEN FURTHER BEYOND IN S6
LILACHADS RISE UP
She's not human. Probably some kind of foretold demon in Guardian lore or something.
That or she's a grown ass woman larping as a 14yo for some reason
>lila/adrian was /ss/ all along
Huh Did not see that comin.
The whole reason why they are taking out the timers is for Lila not having it either.
In other words, they are too lazy to have Lila deal with a timer. God, this series flows with poor writing.
The timers were usually ignored for the plot unless they needed to squeeze some drama out of Ladybug and Chat having to bail before powering down. Getting rid of them is probably the first smart move they've made for a while.
And the only reason they are letting Gabriel get away scot-free is because they can't change the Adrien-subplot status quo (Agreste Mansion, Nathalie, his relationship with his dad, etc).
>Anon, buddy I need the numbers on the front and back of your credit card. Not for anything bad just gonna do some new age fortune telling. It'll be super cool.
What do?
Slap her
Give her the numbers on the front and back of my credit card that already expired.
I run to nearest kid and tell him, that I a son of a duke who knows personally queen of brits. If they totally belive this shit, well, you guess what possibilities this open. Though living in a world of degenerates, created by some sick fat frenchman is pretty depressive thing.
Or just chat with Lila, trying uderstand is she really patological liar or stupid girl with plotarmor.
Who's ready for a pseudo clip episode?
It looks like the Love Square swap is gonna last like 3 to 4 episodes tops before they just get over it and start getting together as Marinette and Adrien so I wouldn't expect much on that end.
The lack of context of this lila shit is hilarious because what do you mean she has multiple identities/families? She's fricking 14 years old. What... is she in witness protection?
>She's fricking 14 years old.
Honestly, it always comes back to this point as to why I feel Lila would make a shit main villain. She just cant really reasonably have much going on in her life yet to justify any of this nonsense.
>What... is she in witness protection?
MOM 1 – Mrs. Rossi, the ambassador
In late season 2 (episode 225) / early season 3 (episode 308), we discover Lila’s first place of residence. Her bedroom window overlooks the Place des Vosges square.
This place is Mrs. Rossi’s apartment. She is the Italian ambassador in Paris and is seen for the first time in episode 224.
She’s a very busy mom, never at home, who gives Lila everything she wants to make up for never being here.
At the end of season 4 (episode 425), Mrs. Rossi takes Lila to the train station.
MOM 2 – "Mother"
In episode 512 (Perfection), Lila speaks on the phone with a “new mom” whom she calls “mother” (not “mom”). Please note: use a comedian with a voice that differs from Mrs. Rossi’s, a very specific voice, if possible, to help distinguish the characters.
The other characteristics of this character are still TBD.
Lila has this mother believe that she’s on a mission in the savanna.
To this mother, Lila’s name is… Cerise!
IDENTITY 2 – CERISE
In episode 521 (Confrontation), we find out that Lila is registered at another school, where she has other friends. In that school, she gets by Cerise, and she is class rep.
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MOM 3 – Deaf Mom
In episode 512 (Perfection), we see Lila in a new room where she’s shown cutting Marinette out of a photo taken from a distance by herself.
We’ll see this same room again in episode 520 (Revelation), as we discover the mom with whom Lila lives here. Lila calls her "Mom". This "mom" is deaf and only speaks using sign language.
Lila has this mother believe that she’s a film actress.
To this mom, Lila’s name is… Iris!
IDENTITY 3 – IRIS VERDI
37 Ladybug – Bible FINAL VERSION updated season 5 – approved by TF1 & Disney - 1/29/21 - CONFIDENTIAL
In the season 5 two-parter finale, we discover that Lila pretends to be Iris Verdi around Mr. Damocles, who registers her for the next school year.
>the ambassadors knew about the leaks right when they happened
so it’s confirmed they browse here
old thread was 404'd. don't think it was old enough to get bumped off the archive.
No it really shouldn't have been old enough to get bumped off the archive. Very strange. As silly and conspiratorial as it may sound, you think it's possible some of the "anons" asking for the leak were crew members who wanted to find the source? You think they may have had something to do with it?
i dunno. the pdf is linked in this thread so if it 404s we'll know.
Well yeah of course anon. Did you not assume all of them where just Ass Track trying to track someone down to put the blame on and hit with a copyright/nda infringement lawsuit? That's why you don't talk to people who don't read the thread.
>all of them where just Ass Track
I mean, I considered at least one of them may have been Ass Truck. But I had more thought it was just those legions of insane "fans" that had pledged to Ass Truck that they'd hunt down the leak for him for whatever reason. I can't really imagine either of them really being able to take anything down though. I also hope they understand that it's far too late to take anything down. I'm sure several anons here have already saved those leaks. I guess that will teach me for trying to be friendly to less informed anons.
Other than youtube, where can I watch this?
1-4 or 5
5
Any livestreams streams for the new episode yet?
hawk chads... let's go
when's the episode dropping boys?
T-5 MINUTES
Classic LB. Season 5 isn't even out yet and it's already causing a shitstorm. I swear this series is leakier than a condom on a barbed dick
500 replies New thread for a new season someone bake it up
don't make it searchable, as istradition
where's the episode link?
the usual .to twitch isn't up yet
I found a stream on twitter so that's okay
https://www.twitch.tv/nicoleyf16
So, I'm guessing we're back to be waiting on subs then.
wait I thought it was 7:30pm ET which is 6:30 Brazil Time
is 5e1 in story order or is it all fricky wucky
>tfw uncultured white boy who doesn't speak brazil
🙁
Did Nathalie quit? I don't speak portugese
Yeah
Also:
Alix is hot as frick.
Yes
She probably fricks herself
And watches
Alix, no! Mini-Alix is too young to consent!
Isn't 15 French aoc? Alix turned 15 in timebreaker
Frick.
Still, Alix should have sex with someone who happens to have a dick.
>rabbit miraculous is canonically the most powerful
>gabriel is a moron
>nat's friendship with gabriel is finished
Everything in the ep matched the bible rip
After this fricking episode, even if I didn't know about the bible, I would not expect Gabe to ever get back his wife. Frick you, Asstruck, frick you!
lol I fricking hope not. Once something dies let it stay dead. That's why bringing all those monks back from the dead was a mistake.
How long until subs still haven't seen the episode.
kek
It's amazing how Felix is the only character with an IQ over 80.
What the frick happened?
>gabe gets the Rabbit miraculous
>uses it to time travel so he can defeat ladybug and chat noir instead of directly helping his wife (or nathalie)
>things don't go as planned
>nathalie tells him to use the rabbit to prevent his wife from becoming a vegetable
>"oh frick, how come I didn't think about it"
>decides to fall into an obvious trap instead of doing the right thing
>is defeated
>loses the rabbit
>disappoints nathalie
Can we chalk it up to the insanity of using all the miraculous at once?
Nah.
His body was getting fricked over, but his mind was normal. It's just bad writing.
what do you mean his body what happened? Also that's not bad writing Gabe has always been a fricking idiot do you know how many times that Mother fricker had these c**ts where he wanted them and let them go.
He's clearly show getting weaker from using all the miraculous. He is not depicted as crazy (or, at least, crazier than usual) at any moment.
So, he's just a fricking idiot, then.
That doesn't even make sense. The whole point was that using too many Miraculous would effect the mind. They never once said the body would be effected. Sure, Marinette got tried from wearing them all at once but she never activated them and she's the special flawless b***h anyway so I have no doubt she could survive it easily anyway.
So, this episode literally just confirms that Gabriel's a fricking idiot who would rather defend his pride against two teenagers instead of actually fixing his issues.
Proof that in the end, Emilie is a bonus and Gabriel is a power-hungry bastard.
His wife doesn’t even love him. There was a video of the voice actor for Emilie in the booth and you can clearly read her lips and she’s screaming “I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!!!!”
>gabriel actually succeeds
>emilie comes back
>upon learning the things he did to bring her back she wants nothing to do with him now
kino. i must see it.
Bible?
See:
Of course. These threads are known for their devotion to holy word.
>next episode
>adrien is going in to kiss marinette on the cheek or forehead or whatever
>alya literally hold mari’s arms down so she can’t push him away
isn’t that aiding sexual assault
Frick yea and it's gunna rule. Fricking hilarious to me that All anyone had to do was tell Adrien to kiss her and he'd be like sure why not. My homie
Oh god, this is going to give saltcucks like Miraculouscontent a stroke, isn't it?
who that? some salter on tumblr? If so frick them.
Why do you think I brought up saltcucks? Look at this post and then imagine the kind of meltdown they'll have at the scene anon described.
Oh I remeber this b***h. Holy fricking autismo, hope she falls down some stairs and breaks her toes.
Did the intro change at all?
Yeah we see Monarch instead of Shadow Moth and the ending is just LB and CN sourrounded by Miraculous rings, rather than silloettes of all the other heroes since we won't be seeing them this season.
i wonder if there is fanfic of hawk moth and cat noir doing it only to find out they are father/son at the end
>at the end
you want them to do it in their disguise?
of coursh
damn. can kwamis get ptsd?
>kagami’s mom’s logo
WHAT DOES IT MEAN????
Not a damn thing, like a lot of so-called "hints" in this show.
Ancient chinese rune for "ménage a trois".
At this point I might as well try to break into the business work my way up for a decade and make my own henshin hero show to put in exactly what I want. It would certainly be faster than expecting competence from this one.
Probably. And considering they seem to have a Miraculous forever plan, the show may still be going on once you start your show.
Don't forget to turn at least one of the characters into your daughterfu, satan.
People love perfect characters that can do no wrong.
what's the thread limit?
it's gonna get archived soon
had a nice run see yall in the next one
500
You'll figure it out soon enough.