his current girlfriend, his babysitter/dad's lover and his recently resurrected mother all agreed to lie to him for the rest of his life and keep him in the dark.
Miraculous LB
his current girlfriend, his babysitter/dad's lover and his recently resurrected mother all agreed to lie to him for the rest of his life and keep him in the dark.
This show is a fricking shitstorm
Storms end eventually.
I predict that Season Six will have sunshine and blue skies.
Of course when Adrien and Kagami find out the truth about Tomoe, Lila's evil will create chaos, and Ladybug and cat Noir find out each other's secret identities, the shit storm will return for Season Seven.
I'm sorry, what. I've only seen the first episode of this show and thought it was for babies. Wtf is going on?
the lie is that his (now dead) dad was paris' biggest terrorist and his (unbeknownst to him) sworn enemy who has caused him endless strife for years. and he regularly beat the shit out of his son unknowingly through an alternate identity. btw.
>and thought it was for babies
Where are you where the babies are in latex??
Dude that's what I thought going into it, but the first episode made me think they were about to start singing ABCs and teaching about the power and friendship
>and teaching about the power and friendship
Which reminds me of the anon that confused MLB with MLP, perhaps as My Little Brony. It did no go well.
Uh oh what happened?
>Uh oh what happened?
His clop, clop was excessive, at least the mods thought so, and he disappeared. I am not sure how many months bad equistry will earn.
That's basically the premise of PJ Masks, which MLB is uncomfortable similar to
The main villain was his dad everyone close to him know but him.
Find a streaming site and catch up.
The final episode of Season Five will air in The U.S. this Saturday. (Streaming sites will have it in French with English subtitles, though)
He's just a plot device. He won't even be mad when he finds out - if he does - or at least not for long, because that'll be an inconvenience to the 'romance'.
Astruc said it loudest...
>name in the title
in "Scooby Doo", the dog was mostly just a gag character, show had more focus on the humans
Same with "Beetlejuice", focused more on the humans.
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was about Eddie Valiant, not the Rabbit
"Rocky Horror Picture Show" focused more on Dr. Frank-N-Furter and his guests
I get what you’re saying, and I can only really speak to Beetlejuice because I haven’t seen the others in ages. Beetlejuice is the antagonist and conflict of the whole story, even if he really was only in the movie for 10 minutes or so. Most people would agree Lydia is the protagonist and she ties the story altogether quite nicely, but an antagonist is just as important. Without them, there’s no story.
You could argue that about Jaws ffs. Any movie with a noun for a title.
By your logic 'Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir' should be about Hawkmoth, as those two are just plot devices for his story.
It's not that Adrichat is the deutaroganist, it's that he's barely treated like one, he's a supporting character and trophy love interest at best even though the entire plot of the show is HIS family's drama. If Marinette didn't have her creepy stalkercrush on him, there would be NO link between LB and HM beyond protag vs antag.
fat frick astruc says that while adrien’s literally the glue that keeps the show together. without him it’d another villain of the week show. it’d be marinette vs. hawkmoth, whom she has little relation to (especially since the show doesn’t use the potential fashion mentor angle). adrien’s relationship to all the main characters and secret identity as cat noir is literally what gives the show intrigue.
this is just an off-topic tangent now but does anyone else ever get into the show and it’s really clear who the directors/writers/network WANT to be the protagonist, but it’s literally the deuteragonist carrying the story. i started writing a ramble about other shows i noticed this with but it became a wall of irrelevant text.
Yeah, Natinette would be biring without the cat.
I wonder if this is a result of creators making the protag too perfect and thus unrelatable? Or at least, making the deut more intriguing through their flaws/trauma/struggle/plot-devicing nature. The protag tends to be the creators 'main oc', and no one is immune to bias. When the show is then written as 'love the protag they are the best don't you love them you better love them', that's usually annoying and off-putting.
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're trying to say...
In many ways it IS sort of a "Villain of The Week" theme, since somebody new is always getting Akumatized with each episode.
Also an interesting point you bring up about Marinette and Gabriel. You would think, being Marinette wants to be a fashion designer, and is Adrien's friend, Gabriel would take her under her wing. After all, what better to fool the unsuspecting?
Giving Marinette and Gabriel any kind of relation besides Adrien would just take the narrative away from being a "love story". Shipping and romance arr the only things that keeps this dumpsterfire afloat.
Not only do I disagree, I believe it would actually have worked in Gabriel's favor.
After all, what better what to fool somebody than to not only be somebody's mentor, but to also be the father of their school chum?
Marinette would never suspect....
Im not saying it wouldnt be better, Im saying this show has a history to avoid and ignore objectively better writing tropes and prioritize ones that have more to do with romance and shipping, since its the best way to bait stupid hormonal teens.
Well, it was never meant to be taken seriously by anybody, really.
I mean I watch it because it's just plain silly to begin with.
The Rom-Com/Capeshit spoof is just a gimmick that seems to hold it all together.
Astuc knows what he's doing, but I don't blame people for being pissed at him for what he's done with the characters, but there IS a method to his madness.
Just be patient. It will all work out, and he will be proven right.
Nice cope. we've been waiting for five fricking seasons. Every season finale its the same bullshit and nothing is solved on the next one. Just accept that this show will never get a satisfying ending, sit aside and enjoy the crash and burn.
If you're so smart, why aren't you writing screen plays for movies and television shows?
What Astruc does, is he gets people to watch by baiting the views to keep them guessing.
Considering the fan base the show has, it seems to be working.
Also there have been a lot of plot twists that people didn't see coming down the pike that took the fans by surprise.
You might not like some of what he's done, but it's working.
Trust the process.
>being this defensive
>using the same arguments Astruc uses on twitter
wow Astruc really does lurk on these threads, huh?
YOU'RE AN AGENT OF ZAG!
>and his recently resurrected mother
Wait, I didn't follow it well. They manage to bring her back? How?
hawkmoth accomplished his goal and resurrected his wife.
And seems that he died? Well frick, time to check this show again. I only care about Felix basically. Dude can't stop suffering.
>Well frick, time to check this show again
don’t. it’s not good.
Go back to you Ghost and Molly McGee thread, then, if that's how you feel about it!
It turns out that Felix might actually be one of the good guys, after all.
Yes, which is weird for all his contradictory actions that show otherwise.
I think that was all a red herring to throw the fans off the trial.
Watch all the Felix episodes again in proper order, and you'll see that Felix has been planning his revenge on his uncle for years, and he really wants to help Adrien. He just had to be sneaky and underhanded in order for his plan to work.
I don't think she was resurrected.
I believe what we see is Emily welcoming Gabriel into the afterlife.
I don't believe that Bug Noir noticed any "Resurrection".
Of course I could be wrong about all this, so I'll watch it again.
Luckily the English dub will be shown this Saturday in The U.S.
Lila still knows the truth about Gabe and could tell him.
Interesting angle but would he believe her?
After all, Felix is still trying to convince his cousin that he's one of the GOOD GUYS, and always was.
Lila is a master manipulator. She doesnt need Adrien to believe her, she just need to place the seed of doubt on him. Once he confronts LB to fact check she will do the heavy lifting and screw things up all for herself.
I don't see that working, considering that Adrien doesn't trust anything Lila says anymore.
Kind of hard to plant a seed of doubt when the other person refuses to listen.
imo he wont know its lila though, but Lila's HM form whose identity is unknown.
OK, I could see how that might possibly work
I mean almost everybody is clueless on the show to begin with.
Seriously, if Marinette couldn't figure out that Adrien and Car Noir were the same person in the first Mr. Pigeon episode....
I don't follow this show, but isn't he revealed to be one of the monster things or half a monster and not a real human or something
>but isn't he revealed to be one of the monster things or half a monster and not a real human or something
Yes, him, his cousin and kagami.
Rumors have been circulating, and it has indeed even been suggested in the show that all three are, in fact, Senti Monsters, but I don't believe it.
After all, Senti Monsters are somebody's creation, and are under somebody's control.
Who created Adrien, Felix, and Kagami, and who controls them?
This does beg the question: Would Master Fu actually, knowingly give a Miraculous to a Senti Monster?
Either this proves A) Master Fu didn't know what he was doing, B) Senti Monsters can be used for good, and Master Fu knew who created and controls the Senti Monster, or C) Adrien is actually a person, and not a Senti Monster. I'm sticking with C)
A has pretty much been proven and canon a long time ago anon.
I guess that's up for debate, but he seemed to instinctively know who to pick for the Miriaculous' of ladybug and Cat Noir.
nah he just randomly gave them on the street to people who would aid an eldery. Fu was incompetent and a terrible guardian, even the show itself recognizes it. Thats why I enjoy the "the kwamis chose their own holders" trope from the movie way more. It just makes more sense.
Well, OK, he wasn't the perfect guardian, and made quite a few mistakes when he was the guardian, but I still believe that he instinctively knew who would be the right holders for the miraculous, and who would not abuse their powers.
Even Su Han had to admit in Furious Fu that Master Fu might've been a much better guardian than he gave him credit for, especially when it came to choosing Marinette/Ladybug to be the next guardian.
you are free to believe any headcanons you want, anon. Fact is, Fu was a recognized shit guardian and everything in the show just points he lucked out on choosing Marinette.
Yeah, and you can also believe what you like, but even Su Han admitted that Fu Wang was a better guardian than he gave him credit for, and that choosing Marinette was an unconventional, but good decision on his part.
Besides, who hasn't gotten hungry and created a Senti Monster while guarding a mriaculous box every half millenia? I mean, nobody's perfect.
Or D) this show refuses to stay consistent with its own lore.
No, the show's been pretty consistent, so far.
It can't even stay consistent on how much time has passed since the start of the show.
You're just not paying close enough attention.
Well, chronologically it all starts with the first day of school, then Marinette's birthday and then a new school year, my opinion is that 2.5 years have passed.
>recently resurrected mother
has its been confirmed its actually his mother in the finale and not just her twin?
Astruc confirmed it's Emelie. But the question remains how he revived Nathalie too.
I think he transferred all the discomfort of both to himself.
That's not how the wish works. Two lives have to be taken in exchange for two lives.
I explained it wrong, he transferred his health to them and absorbed the peawiener disease in his own body, he did not revive anyone, he only saved them from death.
thats fricking dumb. Gabe was hours away from crumpling into dust. It wasnt an "equal trade" as the show incessantly claims.
Yeah, well, welcome to MLB, where the writers don't abide by what they've already established.
I don't quite understand your post.
Events happen, and situations change, and the characters merely adapt.
I don't know.
Seems like a plausible explanation to me.
He said "Read my soul", we don't know the exact details of the deal. I'm betting it's more complicated than just a sacrifice. What was up with the electricity at the end? Some sort of conspiracy is afoot.
Whatever it was, it scared the shit out of Lila.
I'm sure all will be revealed in Season Six.
(Well, maybe not all. I'm sure they'll have a few plot twists to keep the fans anticipating Season Seven)
That's not the impression I got, but I'll watch it again.
But Sass explained the wish in S4 as a rewrite, so then HM should never have happened because Emelie never died, and CN and LB shouldn't be a thing either. Now it's equivalent exchange and no one is going to question how Emelie is alive, actually, and Gabriel very suddenly dead? Emelie just abandoned her son and husband for ?a year? and only came back as caretaker for Adrien because Gabriel is dead? That's what it would look like to anyone else. It's hardly the picture of a beloved mother we've seen Adrien sort-of mourning for 4 seasons.
also it means everything has to be destroyed to be created again. All the characters from before the finale are dead, and we are now watching clones of them interact ina new-buildt world.
But it was my understanding that Emilie was never dead, but in a coma.
That's rather far fetched. Not the impression I got.
I was always under the impression that using the Cat and Ladybug Miraculous to make a wish come true would destroy the universe.
thats actually not a impression, its a canon explanation that they retconned.
>Astruc confirmed
Source? was it on twitter?
nta but it's in the leaked stylesheets as Emelie.
That was Emilie. You see her come out of the sarcophagus.
Amilie was still in London.
I don't remember Natalie being revived, but since they're showing the final episode in English in The U.S. this Saturday, I'll make sure to pay closer attention to it this time.
Is Adrien a sentimonster? I remember a lot of anons believing this theory a while back.
yeah. so are felix and kagami.
Yes, him, Felix and kagami.
I still highly doubt this.
See
for why
Ladybug promised Gabe she would never tell Adrien that he was Hawk Moth, but aside from plot convenience there's no reason for her to not tell Cat Noir.
>Ladybug promised Gabe
I hate this. The guy was an abusive lunatic and arguably one of the worst dads in animation history. The idea that she promptly complies to anything he says is just unsettling
>The guy was an abusive lunatic and arguably one of the worst dads in animation history
and a homocidal psychopath.
See
for my take on all of this
Well, things will be interesting when he finds out the truth, that's for sure.
Not likely.
He was Akumatized when he was Chat Blanc
He might be upset, and confused, even angry, but I don't think he'll become Chat Blanc. That was just a what if worse case scenario.
Interesting speculation.
I could see that working on some levels.
I think, if they’re trying to get another plot point out of this (Marinette and everyone keeping this secret from him), it would literally be unforgivable. I quite literally cannot imagine Adrien, or anyone really, forgiving someone for something like that. I say “if” because the show has randomly dropped plot points like this before and maybe they really are just going to keep pretending like this was in any way a satisfying conclusion.
>MLB is uncomfortable similar to
What do you mean by this? Miraculous came first if you’re trying imply any ideas were stolen.
>it would literally be unforgivable.
What will be his reaction when he finds out the truth? Break up with Marinette? Stop being a crime fighting duo with Ladybug? Lash out at those around him?
>Lash out at those around him?
Chat Blanc.
I could see Lila setting up a conspiracy so he finds out the truth right before sending a moth his way. That could be a cool season ender battle.
I mean given that PJ Masks is for under-5 babies
Very good how you spotted that particular loophole.
This will make for some very interesting future episodes once Ladybug and Cat Noir actually find out each other's secret identity.
But what about that time that baby was talking and ran a business?
he is so innocent that he becomes an idiot.
by the way, no one is going to mention that kagami's mother was willing to sacrifice the entire world for money?
That will bring up more questions, which I'm sure Astuc has prepared for scripts for Season Seven.
After al, what's up with the whole obsessions with RINGS?
I know that I can't be the only one who has noticed this.
maybe the aolo writers are sonic fans.
Kagami's family loses all their money due to the failure of the rings, Kagami ends up on the street, now she prostitutes herself for some croissant.
Kagami really the one who got the worst deal of s05 uh
>rejected by blorbo so replaced him with the worst option- the snotty english evil twin
>learns she is a sentimonster
>abused and locked up by her mom
>mom is still alive and kickin, riding the big money and fame of gabe's death and no consequences whatsoever
>still has all the control on Kagami's life she had before
>noone not even the heroes or her bf complain about that or think that is a problem
She wasn't resurected.
Gabriel/Monarch DIED.
But, when you think about it, it was for his own protection.
Plus, Adrien is a liar as well.
I mean, he can't tell Marinette he's Cat Noir. He can't tell ANYBODY. It was because of HIS lying that he and Kagami broke up.
But, you do make one good point: He HAS been kept in the dark.
At this point, he still doesn't know that his father was Monarch, and before he died, Monarch instructed Bug Noir not to reveal to Adrien that his father was Monarch.
I also think it was kind of shitty that Adrien was in London, while Bug Noir, and everybody else fought Monarch.
I'm hoping that Adrien will find out the truth about everything in Season Six, and will actually see his mother's video to Natalie.
>I'm hoping that Adrien will find out the truth about everything in Season Six, and will actually see his mother's video to Natalie.
That would be grim.
Well, I'm gonna go to bed.
I'll derail the thread by leaving you a pic of everybody's new favorite villain from the movie.
>new favorite villain from the movie.
Meh, 50/50
Babies in season 6 or 7?
3 and a hamster, it was written!
resurrected mom?
did i miss something?
Don’t forget his cousin, and close friend who know he’s also a feather.