The realization that television writing will never be good again is painful. All the good writers with classical education are either dead or retired, replaced with worthless people who were taught in college that Harry Potter is acceptable literature for adults and that western canon is sexist and racist. All modern writers can manage is a cheap imitation of real talent (RoP) or Twilight tier trash. Worst of all, the decline is just getting started.
Soon TV shows are gonna be written by AIs catering to your specific interests
and you will not be given choices
chatGPT has demonstrated that unless you can run the AI sitcom generator on your own machine it will only ever produce globohomosexual approved content.
I have use yandex to look for images/anythings now. it's terrible
>that one stable diffusion company that was adding “black woman” to every prompt
Thankfully that’s all it took for image generation to go open source.
eleven labs and voice generation feels like 12 months ago when people were gawking at dalle 2, which has since become completely irrelevant.
full creative control is vital.
Open source is vital.
AI is kool-aid for people who have no interest in trying to help make tv good again and so would rather put a machine that can't draw hands in charge instead of a human creating with a human touch. frick off.
Anon, the industry is dead. Even if bunch of talented people got together and had the money to make something good, it would be made to seem pointless by zero budget “reality tv” earning a larger return on less money.
you are a brainless moron
TNG is one of my favourite series and while I agree it's the epitome of great writing and worldbuilding, I have a less reverential view of older media as a whole and a more hopeful view of the future.
Because I don't think TNG was representative of TV shows at the time but an anomaly even during its own initial run.
If you take a look back on some of the other TV shows that were airing back then there was plenty of vacuous disposable mainstream garbage.
TNG was the result of multiple talents coinciding perfectly, building off each other.
It's like how the LOTR movies were an anomaly for their time too. If you look at the other movies that were being made in the late '90s/early '00s, none of them were even close to LOTR's quality.
Therefore, placate yourself with the fact that movies and shows of this quality will appear again.
The talent pool also isn't gone as you said, they're still everywhere, writing episodes here and there for other shows. You just need to wait for the universe to have the stars align again.
I watched the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind, and all the writers were still capable of writing a good DS9 episode that feels like it belonged to the original series.
As long as shows TNG still exist in an available digital format, there will be no shortage of writers trying to emulate or outdo it.
Where are the modern "anomalies"? There aren't any. Hollywood simply made such anomalies impossible now.
The Orville
pozz central
The Last of Us
Bad bait
Curb your enthusiasm
Breaking Bad
Arrested Development
Mandalorian
Andor
Better Call Saul
Twin Peaks Return
Chernobyl
The Terror
Black Mirror's early episodes
Young Pope
Copenhagen Cowboy
Raised By Wolves
The Boys
from the top of my head, buddy
So goyslop then
Lol. Frick off with your non-argument then
t. someone who hasn't seen a third from that list
>the Boys and Mandalorian are "anomalies of good writing"
you got about 2 out of 14 correct, pretty poor
Half of these are old, half of these are absolute dog shit.
>The boys
No.
There are many, but they're usually not of the same genre or feeling. I think if we narrow it down to two parameters they'll be easier to identify:
1. Expansive, cohesive worldbuilding
2. Soul
#2 is a bit of a copout but I think we all know it when we see it, a mixture of good writing, introspectiom, self-awareness, authenticity, understanding of philosophy (though it does not need to subscribe to or believe in any "correct" system of philosophy or governance, and should be open to other cultures or schools of thought so long as they are earnest and sincere, and earnestly and sincerely portrayed, as we see in TNG that has more in common with communist/socialist values yet are still, on DS9, open to the pragmatism of Ferengi capitalist ideals), morally unambiguous (not necessarily absolute, but within the confines of its own philosophy).
Limiting ourselves solely to TV shows or movie series (rare outside of superhero movies) I can currently only think of two.
The Orville
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance
A lot of British shows and movies have excellent non-woke writing and SOUL, where they usually are found lacking is the worldbuilding aspect. There was that show Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell that had good worldbuilding and some soul, but I think fails as it was morally ambiguous.
The Expanse seasons 1 to 3 had amazing worldbuilding and SOUL, but the storylines post season 3 were severely lacking.
But yea I think the reason for mucn of our distaste of modern movies and shows comes down to moral ambiguity, which modern writers have come to rely on as a crutch to give the illusion of depth or false complexity to their work. I remember moral ambiguity as being pushed hard in high school in the '00s, and that all "adult fiction" should have morally ambiguous characters because it more accurately represented society in reality. Which is true, but what is also true is that society in reality tends to be shit, and when it's not shit it's mundane.
Oh and Joe Pera has SOUL, but not that much worldbuilding. But didn't hear much from ot after season 3 sadly.
Babylon 5 and Stargate: Atlantis
anyone have recommendations for someone who really likes TNG?
I started watching DS9 and the writings just as good, and I even think its better in some respects, but some episodes of TNG like inner light had a unique feeling to them that I haven't really gotten in DS9 (yet, at least) or any other show, book, game, anime, movie, or anything
DS9 is great, it falls off at the end but it is my fav of all the series.
Voyager and Enterprise aren't half bad.
Babylon 5, Stargate Atlantis, battlestar galactica, red dwarf, are also in the same boat,
Hope you enjoy ds9 and commander Sisko (soon to be captain)
DS9 has like 2 or 3 episodes that stand out like Inner Light did, you'll see them eventually.
>some episodes of TNG like inner light had a unique feeling to them that I haven't really gotten in DS9 (yet, at least)
There are multiple, you have much to look forward to.
If you mean modern scifi, if you want light hearted 90s style camp scifi I recommend Dark Matter. Very much had a Farscape/Lexx vibe. For serious scifi I absolutely loved The Expanse. Quite loyal to the books for the most part with also pretty solid casting and acting. Very good political space opera that becomes more star Trekish as time goes on after Abaddons Gate.
What's with the flute......?
Picard gets stuck in a coma, only it's an advanced alien probe/time capsule that has you live out your life on their planet as one of them. Picard has a family, including kids and grows to love them etc. Only when he dies surrounded by his loving family he wakes up back on the enterprise. The flute is something he learned to play to keep himself calm. At the end of episode Picard just sits in his ready room playing the flute to himself.
What episode? Sounds neat
Nevermind, found it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29
The writers really should have explored the ramifications of that episode. I realize in the 90s they couldn't do serials very easily due to syndication, still living an entire life would mean you'd forget most of your old skills and crew members, not to mention the mental fatigue of having lived a whole other life.
Only hand wave I could see would be if it simply left a deep impression on its target instead of a detailed life story that made them forget their old life (40 years is a long time)
I think that was the implication, that he awoke and the memories that the probe gave him were there but they sort of ran parallel to his actual life's memories. It's not like that civilization would have wanted their history device to cripple people.
It's even more unrealistic when O'Brien spends 50 YEARS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT (in his head) and by the next episode he's back to his normal self lol.
Picard lives a whole ass life in the span of a few minutes due to a legacy probe from a dead civilization running a memory simulation in his mind. At the end of the ordeal he's left with memories of a family, grand children, a wife. The flute was an ability he spent a "lifetime" learning to play and implies that he was changed more than he let on with the crew.
He's not the one holding it.
Absolutely underrated post
Wait, ARE those his hands? Surely they could just ADR in the music right?
Filthy casual
This episode was directed by David Lynch
the guy who did twin peaks?
YEAH
television writing wasl never good
when am I going to wake up from this "reality?"
it might be bad, but at least it'll teach the next generation how to be transgender
https://www.brighteon.com/b16a6936-6c0c-4db1-87b0-3e97be8401c6
imagine if you were this guy in the episode and instead of living a full life of their people you instead was a shut in all your life, died then awake on the enterprise with no clue about them at all except for internet memes.
Occasionally I find a foreign tv series to watch. And maybe once a year there is kinovision to post about here (didn't happen last year)
It was really just the writer’s strike. Ai content generation will give writers the ability to directly create any content they want.
huh
It will be EXACTLY the same as everything is today. Chock full of gay homosexualtry and homosexual shit. troonys and Blackrock will not allow anything less.
>writers
they will be obsolete
This is, for me, one of the greatest examples of writing in TNG:
DS9 had some great writing too
The writing for DS9 really was amazing. (And Garak one of the best Trek characters across all iterations.)
All the secondary characters in DS9 were great
Imagine any writer on Picard trying to write something like this:
>implying
anonplease we all know who the MVP of the station is......
I do miss when Starfleet officers acted with decorum and maturity.
Kino. I'm glad they never ruined that character.
i remember when i was a kid, i felt like i was a kid watching programs written for adults. i assumed when i was an adult everything would be written for me.
now i'm an adult, everything feels like it was written for children. i have to watch shows from 30 years ago to find something written for me.
I thought as I got older I’d suddenly start liking bewitched and shit.
Because they want to have their cake and eat it, too.
They want to write series with season long (or series long) story arcs. They also, however, want their shows to never end.
If you want a program that can theoretically go on forever, like Star Trek, make it episodic in nature.
Instead we get these 1000 hour long stories that are being written on the fly and consequently go nowhere. Like Lost. It's as if we as an audience have been trapped in Scheherazade's 1001 arabian nights.
And even if writers have a story laid out for them they manage to ruin it by imposing their progressive fan fiction on it.
I don't know what's wheel of time about, I gave it a chance, and abandoned the series when the group of women hunted the men and accused him of being bigoted or some stupid shit, after an exposition on how women ruled the world
That's as far as I got, I think it was the 5-10 minutes mark
Well yeah it was shit
Welcome to a fully corporatized entertainment industry. Over the years the studios merged and bought one another out, creating fewer and fewer outlets for creatives to get the green light on creating something. Now it is no longer about creating anything new- it is about a handful of mega studios OWNING as many properties as humanly possible. Why does Disney churn out an endless deluge of capeshit flicks with ten "heroes" crammed into them? To ensure they secure the intellectual rights. Why do they rely on reboots rather than create anything new? They imagine a reboot is more likely to be "a sure thing" money wise. The Guild Strike ended with the death of the old guard, the writers who had been there forever and would help show new writers the ropes. Gone are such basic concepts as "show, don't tell;" "do not commit exposition through dialogue;" "use ALLEGORY if you have a political ax to grind."
It's not going to get any better any time soon. Without any good writers in place, without a system to train newer writers, it's NEVER going to get any better. The long-accepted, out-in-the-open nepotism that caused many talented people to never get a chance in the first place is still there, and that is even further compounded by these new "equity and inclusion" rules, some mandating studios employ as many as 50% black writers/actors/whatevers. The studios are treading water for now by hiding their low ratings behind their streaming services, using bad content as tax losses/tax shields to protect what little they earn from what little is good, but it is all going to come crashing down eventually. It is simply unsustainable.
>Why does Disney churn out an endless deluge of capeshit flicks with ten "heroes" crammed into them? To ensure they secure the intellectual rights. Why do they rely on reboots rather than create anything new? They imagine a reboot is more likely to be "a sure thing" money wise. The Guild Strike ended with the death of the old guard, the writers who had been there forever and would help show new writers the ropes. Gone are such basic concepts as "show, don't tell;" "do not commit exposition through dialogue;" "use ALLEGORY if you have a political ax to grind."
Sad but true.
Severance was pretty decent, nothing in it felt dumbed down.
i showed Inner Light to my family, and they were totally filtered by the fact that our tv had motion smoothing turned on. It literally made them not understand why it was such a great story.
>motion smoothing turned on
shits for smooth brain phone gaygs
Turn that shit down so it doesn’t look as bad
it was already too late, they were filterd
I miss Star Trek
Trek produced these greats because of the episodic format which is dead now. Since most episodes didn't need to be connected to the next/previous one, they were able to take chances with different writers and stories, sometimes with poor results which is why there are always some skippable bad episodes too. Nowadays most TV series are 2-5 hour long movies stretched into many episodes with filler material shoved in to pad them out.
In what fricking world do you have to live in to believe this? Writing has never been this good in TV in all of its history, you complete clown. Of course there's trash out there, but there is a literal abundance of high quality writing out there like there never was in the past.
The fricking terminally lost morons on this board, I swear
>Writing has never been this good in TV in all of its history
You heard me, you clown
of course I did, your just moronic is all
Are you people just too dumb to read or are you genuine idiots then?
You're right the most recent episode of The Last of Us is the best writing HBO has ever put out, bar none.
>implying that it was bad writing
>be lonely incel shut-in
>one day a cutie wanders into your compound who just lost her whole survival group
>you try to chase her off but she begs for some food
>you reluctantly let her into your home, cooking her a fancy meal
>what do you know, she has the same food taste as you and comments on your wickedly intelligent wine pairing
>she then tries to play your favorite song on the piano but is too awkward, so you take over
>she sees your tenderness and decides to kiss you and tenderly make love to you, a virgin
>major fight happens when she wants to be cute and twee, cleaning the streets of your post apocalyptic neighborhood and setting up cute clothing boutiques and wine shops
>raiders come and she cowers in fear while you almost die protecting her
>the raiders see that you almost died so decided to stop raiding. For the next ten years.
>she heals you all on her own, but then oh no she has a disease 🙁
>she wants a peaceful death after gushing about how perfect you've been to her, and then you commit suicide together
>implying this is "good writing", a "believable romance" or a "tragic love story"
this episode just wasnt meant for you
agreed, it filters out intelligence
kek imagine there are people who unironically think like this somewhere
>there is a literal abundance of high quality writing out there
>can't name any
Look at that idiot and laugh
True, and not just that, modern TV is also missing truly meaningful shots like this one, which symbolizes that Gretchen likes black wiener.
the whole field from writers to actors to critics is overexposed
everyone is just aping what they have seen
after you've seen the best stuff, everything else feels like a knockoff
I abuse Marijuana because when I'm sober 70% of my dreams are 'Inner Light' shit where I spend 3 decades of my life then wake up.
>people complain that the writers of old are aging out and being replaced by people who did not live interesting lives like the writers of old did
>instead of encouraging potential writers to do adventurous shit other than writing before doing potential magnum opuses, dipshits in this thread just want to fake it even more with AI, not realizing that will only lead to stories that, at best, would be on the same level as Funko-pops.
>instead of encouraging potential writers to do adventurous shit other than writing before doing potential magnum opuses
as if anyone actually adventurous would get any of their screenplays accepted. they'd all get shot down for some kind of political incorrectness, and revised down until they were exactly the same drivel as everything else on the screen. the problem isn't the writers, it's the gatekeepers. you can self-publish but then nobody sees or hears from you, and you sure can't get funding to make anything big.
but maybe if you can get the AI to produce it for you, you can make something big enough to get attention
Ai can only pretend to pretend being a hotshot writer, dipshit.
So, and? “Soul” isn’t real.
whatever you say, funko-pop
There's aren't enough high IQ autists who like writing in the industry. That's all that generally matters and frankly the tech boom stole almost all of those potential greats from us. In the /hotd/ general we have a loretist who randomly drops entire comprehensive storylines for characters who are mentioned once. He's honestly managed to put together a story that's almost as complex as the main books using theories no one has ever talked about. Guess what the guy despite wanting to be a writer is instead a techbro. This guy should be writing books and TV scripts but instead he's writing code all day. If you go and look for the biggest autists when it comes to books and cinema, they're almost all guys who work either as programmers or other engineering professions.
Our writers are the homosexuals who love young adult novels because our education system filters for it. The nerds aren't so signing up to be part of the play because it's infested with those theatre kids. Walk into any voluntarily class on English, arts or drama and you'll see a female or gay teacher with a class that's entirely female or gay. The nerds playing D&D or whatever zoomers do now, will never sign up for it. They're pushed into maths and physics. This is why great TV shows that aren't adaptations are going to become insanely rare. Hollywood has no shortage of scripts, they're just all bad because the writers are normies at best or morons. That's why they're going to reboot and adapt and reboot all over again in the coming decades.
>DON´T LET A NORMIE NEAR A CAMERA
Don't give a normie tech. Do you remember the Internet before smart phones? Back when access to the Internet unintentionally filtered for IQ, forums were disproportionately populated by intelligent folk. Try have a meaningful discussion on twitter today on anything remotely abstract if you want a reminder of what modern discourse on the Internet has become. Even in so called based corners of the Internet. The long form discussions of evolutionary psychology and human nature that were rather common in mgtow discussions for example have been replaced by "how do I get a gf" questions and instead of referencing the latest review journal on the subject they're referencing the anecdotal experiences of themselves or ecelebs like Andrew Tate.
Inner Light is poorly written imo
Picard should be traumatized as frick at the end of that episode. He's lived decades in a world that was suddenly yanked out from under him as a facade. And then he just goes back to his old life like nothing happened?
That's the entire point of the episode. There is tension between Picard wanting to put on a strong front for the good of his crew but all he can do when he is left alone is reminisce about his former life. The flute is how he copes.
Okay and then that never gets referenced in the rest of the series
How does he remember starfleet protocol and stuff after spending decades as another person? How is he not deeply traumatized?
he's a starfleet officer.
you want him to curl up and cry in front of the crew?
trannies like you don't understand leadership or even what it means to be a man.
I'm not saying that. but it doesn't make logical sense that he can keep being a captain when he's had his memory overridden.
Imagine you've lived 40 years in a completely new life, one with a much lower technology level, thinking your old life was just a hallucination. Would you remember shit like your passwords, how to drive a car, how to use a computer and basic software, etc etc?
Buddy act tough all you want but imagine how utterly devastating it'd be to live a full life some place, fall in love, have children, make friends and eventually watch them die of old age, struggle to help your community, see your grandkids born, find out your world is dying, then suddenly wake up and find out it was all a dream and everyone you'd known for 40 years had been dead for a millennium gone and you were the only one that remembers they even existed.
If you can't get the depth of that melancholy maybe you're the troony.
My pet theory is the probe leaves a strong set of impressions of broad strokes of the lived experiences Picard went through but most of the details faded away quickly like a dream.
It actually does. The flute becomes a permanent fixture on his desk after this episode and he is occasionally seen playing it.
Have you ever woken up from a dream or have been self aware in a dream?
It's a bit like that. Our brains are capable of compartmentalizing disparate personalities. I've had dreams where I could formulate thoughts (sort of a thought within a thought, a nested thought if you think about it) except I couldn't even remember my own name in the dream and all the rules were different.
Or I've had instances where I was physically awake but still suffering from brain fog, and similarly couldn't remember my name for a brief period, humming a melody that held some special significance in the dream but outside it was either a refrain from some popular song or a meaningless ditty.
Oh and btw OP's image is from the episode "Lessons" not The Inner Light, so the series does reference past episodes, sometimes several times.
It is very clearly brought up in S6.E19.
Something similar happens to O'Brien in DS9 and they got off pretty alright.
you are deeply moronic if you can't see the subtext at the end of the episode. Back to Gravity Falls for you.
fake picard hands
>All the good writers with classical education are either dead or retired
So is the audience that could appreciate it, so what's the problem?
yeah it fricking sucks, i hope the AI writer bots are trained on good tv, but you know they won't be
https://writersfromthetrenches.substack.com/
For anyone curious about becoming a writer in Hollywood this forum has some interesting stuff in it. They published a big article on the effects of the last writer's strike and the possible side effects if they tried again. Lots of talk about more foreign competition from globally active streaming services mainly Netflix. Some stuff about how agents are less likely to side with writers this strike when they supported them in 2007, the possible benefits of a dual strike with the DGA and the WGA. The increased complications of legal contracts where anything could become industry-defining legal precedent leaving big corporations scared on how to structure their deals.
What are you talking about anon things seem better and more smartly written than ever
Star Trek and Star wars and a lot of kino content come from some creative boom that happened some time during the 40-70s. I feel humanity naturally go through these cycles of creative booms and busts. Sometime in the not so faraway future we'll get some true Kino
TNG was the original woke nonsense, don't get it twisted.
I'd wear a skirt on spaceship. Balls need more ventilation.
You're fricking kidding right? You've never heard of Bosom Buddies? Or Three's Company?