It was a great moment. The show died once they gave up even looking at the source material. The story currently at the start of Winds is at a greater climax than the W5Ks. I'm personally mad they cut so much from the red wedding but the slimmed down version of the story during season 1-4 were acceptable.
People tried to downplay it but in retrospect this was even worse than the GoT finale. Totally wiped the show from everyone's memory and removed any semblance of desire to rewatch.
That's what I mean. A finale is supposed to leave you with catharsis and a strong artistic impression. A moralistic tying of loose ends is just contrived, forgettable and devaluing of whatever real humanity was previously expressed in favor of some "moral to the story".
It's not even moral though. Walt's death is moral. Saul's confession is a formality, a legalism, which is stupid! Saul effortlessly manipulates the legal system in that same episode to get a lighter sentence, the legal system is not a moral authority in the world of BB or BCS (or in real life for that matter). After he goes to Jail I'm not convinced for a second he has changed, he'll keep doing his schemes every time life gets tough, but now from the inside. Saul didn't learn how to cope with his suffering instead of running from it, he's just running from suffering inside a jailcell now, and that sucks.
That's very stupid. She didn't hate him before or after, and the only thing he confessed she didn't know already was about him was that he caused Chuck's death. How is that supposed to make her have the hots for him again?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah guess she just moved across the country and cut off contact with him for no reason. You really did get filtered hard.
Him confessing everything had done was a way to show Kim that he was finally owning up to his destructive behaviour so that he could have some sort of relationship with her. Even if it was brief prison visits
11 months ago
Anonymous
People move because of traumatic events, like your former boss and friend getting shot in the head in front of you after you wronged him and destroyed his reputation. And yet she leaves Jimmy in amicable terms cause she believes that, in her words, they are toxic to eachother. I'm beginning to think you are the one that didn't pay attention to the series. Also giving the added context of Jimmy having caused the death of his brother, it reframes his actions and overall atitude after this point as psychopath behaviour and if she accepts his confession as a real apology she's a bloody moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No you're actually fricking moronic.
First off you seem to think his confession isn't moral and was for legal purposes only when he literally had legally gotten away with it and there was no other point in confessing apart from trying to have some sort of relationship with Kim.
Yes she does leave because of the traumatic event, congratulations for understanding enough about the show to get that. But Kim wasn't not speaking because of that, but because of his actions in Breaking Bad.
What the frick is a "real apology" then you fricking idiot?? Because backing up your apology by spending life in prison feels like a real apology
11 months ago
Anonymous
It isn't moral because it requires no actual change. He basically just gives up. Like I said in the beginning, he'll be running his schemes in jail in no time.
For all he knew his confession would do nothing to change Kim's mind if she did hate him, "you know all the bad things about me that you know to be true, they are true and I'm not doing jack about them". And he expected her to love him after that? What a joke.
And finally, when I say it was a "legalism", I do it because he specifically designs this plan to have his confession be on the record. He didn't confess to Kim, he done it by the book, basically submitting to Chuck's worldview that the show acknowledges in the same bloody episode that doesn't work.
So yeah, this finale sucks, and you can't change my mind on it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You might be the dumbest person on here.
It does require actually change. Is an 8 year prison sentence CHANGING to a 80 year sentence sound like nothing? He doesn't give up, he's already "won" if he takes the 8 year sentence.
He does confess on record, but he manipulates the situation so Kim would be there. She wouldn't have been there if he didn't lie and say he had more stuff to say about her. She would have never seen or talked to him otherwise and he wanted her there for it. He's confessing directly to Kim just as much as he is to the court.
You are honestly stupid and got filtered so hard. Go back to watching your MCU films please
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a 80 year sentence sound like nothing
It sounds like he'll die alone in jail. The definition of giving up. >he's already "won"
And then he gives up. It doesn't matter what stage of the game he's in. >He's confessing directly to Kim
If his plan was to win her over, it makes no sense. Specially bringing up Chuck's death.
You just can't escape this reality, pro-tip: if you want to win over your ex, maybe don't tell her that you killed your brother and lied about it for however long has been. It doesn't work like it does on TV kids.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They had this big argument over the phone where Kim demanded that Saul should turn himself in. Saul got pissed off and relapsed back to the game, maybe he wanted to get caught on some level.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but you sound like you didn't actually watch the show and just read some synposes.
"Giving up" would suggest he is too lazy/tired to weasel him out of the situation - which is not the case because he actually managed to reduce his sentence substantially, only after having already achieved that does he change his mind because of Kim, thus the absolute opposite of "giving up" because he had already won. He retracts his victory for personal purposes.
His plan isn't to win her over, but to regenerate some semblance of respect for himself from the point of view of the people he cared about: Kim and arguably Chuck.
Can't tell if you're shitposting or if you're like 100 IQ or something.
Probably 100 IQ who is now shitposting to save face.
11 months ago
Anonymous
All I say is 100% serious. "Giving up" doesn't imply anything. If I'm playing Black Jack and I surrender, it doesn't matter if I did it because I had a bad hand or because I'm trying to quit being a gambling addict, I still surrendered and that's what it's called: "giving up".
For getting Kim's respect, it's still a bad plan, but is understandable. But that's not what you said earlier.
Oh yeah guess she just moved across the country and cut off contact with him for no reason. You really did get filtered hard.
Him confessing everything had done was a way to show Kim that he was finally owning up to his destructive behaviour so that he could have some sort of relationship with her. Even if it was brief prison visits
>so that he could have some sort of relationship with her.
Those were your words. So you're just moving the goalpost now.
And in the end, Jimmy getting punished for his mistakes is nothing new. He multiple times through this show gets punished for his mistakes, he many times takes personal losses to do what he thinks is a good thing. Just from the top of my head use the example of the time he destroys his relationship with all his elder clients to help this one old lady he has hurt.
But every time things get rough he backtracks on it. And in the end he says he's gonna take responsibility for his crimes and go to jail for the rest of his life, helping noone in the process, and not learning a damn thing.
I guess it will be more difficult to backtrack now. I guess he's in a "unwinnable" situation now, but we've seen him in unwinnable situations before, we've seen him in almost die since episode one. And now he is on a place where half of the prisoners are in dept to him and loyal to him.
That's no redemption. That's phony, and I hate it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Was a different anon before so there's two calling you dumb as bricks.
Relationship as in Kim respecting him as a person again and talking to him, not prison conjugal visits you numpty.
You really didn't get the show if you think this is Jimmy getting punished for his mistakes. Arguably to him, going to prison is the only non mistake he made in the last few seasons.
You didn't understand the show because you are too dumb and that's fine. But please trying to talk about it. It's not about "winning or losing". The show is ultimately a love story
He did it to protect people from himself. He knew how good he was at manipulating systems and people and that no matter what if he was free to do it he was going to. Look at the episode when he fools the people into hiring him without doing a proper background check. He berates them because it was too easy for him to get over on them. He knows in his heart that Chuck was absolutely right about everything and he hated himself for it. The only way he could ever stop himself from getting over on people is to remove himself from society completely
>A moralistic tying of loose ends
It wasn't that you.
He was more than happy to weasel his way into a great deal, doing a few years at a cosy jail. But then, he found out Kim confessed.
That's what happened.
I don't even want to know what tf you were watching lol
You know what don't even tell me either
Whatever stupid excuse you come up with I don't even want typed up, because some underage b& might actually think it's worth some weight.
You're a fricking moron.
It died with chuck. His plotline was the only reason people put up with this lawyer bullshit. They should've just turn jimmy into saul at this point but they decided to drag it out for 3 or 4 seasons where literally nothing of note happens.
But Saul was doing sleazy tricks from the first episode, that's how he got to know Tuco and the cartel. Sometimes he could keep it under control better, but he would keep slipping. There's a scene in the second season where Jimmy is working for Davis & Main and he sees a sign that says do not turn off switch, and Jimmy turns it off anyway.
Did you miss the part where he saved Daniel and Nacho from prison? Or when he helped Mike with the cops? Or Huell? When he helped Lalo get away with murder? When he helped that crook by tricking the witness into believing that a different guy was responsible for stealing from him?
Well, it's a long show that has a very slow tempo so it's understandable. But my point is that we see Saul help criminals get away with crimes multiple times during the show.
I’m probably going to catch major shit for this, but what specifically do you guys enjoy so much about breaking bad and better call Saul? I’ve watched all breaking bad, and didn’t really enjoy it, it’s clearly well made though. To be fair I only just recently watched it, maybe being this far removed from when it was the height of tv pop culture makes it less impactful? I don’t know, I just didn’t find it to be all that great. Entertaining and well made for sure, but not the second coming of Christ this board portrays it as.
If it isn't good after 10 years of its original showing then it's not good, stop playing around
Watched the first season of BB and didn't really like it, even as a NM resident, many didn't either other than homos living in the suburbs
Great hook. Strong performances. Stakes always going up. It was a thrilling ride, though somewhat lacking in substance compared to the other greats it sits alongside with.
The "the thing" ripoff episode of X-Files got me out of it. I wish it was streaming somewhere so I could go back to watch it, but I'm not interested enough to try and torrent it.
I noticed how Saul always does this lawyer speech thing, where even in private he never says "the people you've killed" but rather goes for the more ambiguous "the people who died"
He's a weak man. If he accepts his clients are evil, he has to accept that he's evil, and maybe he does on a superficial sense, but he never internalises it enough to the point that he can change it. That's why he talks the way he talks.
is this a subtle /bcs/ thread? miss u guys. I didn't like how BCS ended because it just felt like it was rushed. him getting a plea deal and then fricks it up to serve 80 years sentence felt weirdly tragic. I would have liked to seen him be more successful or happy in jail with friends or something and he becomes a jail lawyer before the show just ends because it's a sad tone to leave on. In my head canon he finds a way to reduce his jail time so maybe he ends up with Kim after all, if she's not still getting Yupped by the Mayo Man.
A man can continue running in circles his entire life, and within any ending of anything, we'd want just the 1 thing, the truth of ourselves, and if anything more, it's to be recognized in that true stance. None of it is to be understood by anyone else except for you (and the one you love). So no, it wasn't a great ending, not entertaining to say, it came down to the bare bones what a man is- nothing, just time and place. Having an ending and the truth to meet it is good enough.
already fricked when they skipped aryas journey through the riverlands
It was a great moment. The show died once they gave up even looking at the source material. The story currently at the start of Winds is at a greater climax than the W5Ks. I'm personally mad they cut so much from the red wedding but the slimmed down version of the story during season 1-4 were acceptable.
Scrappy Doo moment
this really felt like it was added as a last minute change so they could wrap up the season because there wouldnt be a next
>no more Charles Dance
>hand of the queen Tyrion was a dull c**t
Imagine watching this shitty spinoff of a series for crackheads
Stupid Black person, Lalo was a great addition to the show.
Vince, have a nice day
only massive contrarians didn't like lalo
aka most of Cinemaphile
honestly that fixed the show
People tried to downplay it but in retrospect this was even worse than the GoT finale. Totally wiped the show from everyone's memory and removed any semblance of desire to rewatch.
Nah the finale was good, Walt died on his own terms, Jesse got his freedom and Saul finally proved Chuck wrong.
That's what I mean. A finale is supposed to leave you with catharsis and a strong artistic impression. A moralistic tying of loose ends is just contrived, forgettable and devaluing of whatever real humanity was previously expressed in favor of some "moral to the story".
Imagine being filtered by the BCS ending. Did you just want le happy ending for your goodboi or something in order to feel satisfied?
Reading comprehension.
I comprehend what you wrote, it's just moronic.
It's not even moral though. Walt's death is moral. Saul's confession is a formality, a legalism, which is stupid! Saul effortlessly manipulates the legal system in that same episode to get a lighter sentence, the legal system is not a moral authority in the world of BB or BCS (or in real life for that matter). After he goes to Jail I'm not convinced for a second he has changed, he'll keep doing his schemes every time life gets tough, but now from the inside. Saul didn't learn how to cope with his suffering instead of running from it, he's just running from suffering inside a jailcell now, and that sucks.
>not realising that him confessing that was so Kim didn't hate him and that BCS was a love story
Filtered hard
That's very stupid. She didn't hate him before or after, and the only thing he confessed she didn't know already was about him was that he caused Chuck's death. How is that supposed to make her have the hots for him again?
Oh yeah guess she just moved across the country and cut off contact with him for no reason. You really did get filtered hard.
Him confessing everything had done was a way to show Kim that he was finally owning up to his destructive behaviour so that he could have some sort of relationship with her. Even if it was brief prison visits
People move because of traumatic events, like your former boss and friend getting shot in the head in front of you after you wronged him and destroyed his reputation. And yet she leaves Jimmy in amicable terms cause she believes that, in her words, they are toxic to eachother. I'm beginning to think you are the one that didn't pay attention to the series. Also giving the added context of Jimmy having caused the death of his brother, it reframes his actions and overall atitude after this point as psychopath behaviour and if she accepts his confession as a real apology she's a bloody moron.
No you're actually fricking moronic.
First off you seem to think his confession isn't moral and was for legal purposes only when he literally had legally gotten away with it and there was no other point in confessing apart from trying to have some sort of relationship with Kim.
Yes she does leave because of the traumatic event, congratulations for understanding enough about the show to get that. But Kim wasn't not speaking because of that, but because of his actions in Breaking Bad.
What the frick is a "real apology" then you fricking idiot?? Because backing up your apology by spending life in prison feels like a real apology
It isn't moral because it requires no actual change. He basically just gives up. Like I said in the beginning, he'll be running his schemes in jail in no time.
For all he knew his confession would do nothing to change Kim's mind if she did hate him, "you know all the bad things about me that you know to be true, they are true and I'm not doing jack about them". And he expected her to love him after that? What a joke.
And finally, when I say it was a "legalism", I do it because he specifically designs this plan to have his confession be on the record. He didn't confess to Kim, he done it by the book, basically submitting to Chuck's worldview that the show acknowledges in the same bloody episode that doesn't work.
So yeah, this finale sucks, and you can't change my mind on it.
You might be the dumbest person on here.
It does require actually change. Is an 8 year prison sentence CHANGING to a 80 year sentence sound like nothing? He doesn't give up, he's already "won" if he takes the 8 year sentence.
He does confess on record, but he manipulates the situation so Kim would be there. She wouldn't have been there if he didn't lie and say he had more stuff to say about her. She would have never seen or talked to him otherwise and he wanted her there for it. He's confessing directly to Kim just as much as he is to the court.
You are honestly stupid and got filtered so hard. Go back to watching your MCU films please
>a 80 year sentence sound like nothing
It sounds like he'll die alone in jail. The definition of giving up.
>he's already "won"
And then he gives up. It doesn't matter what stage of the game he's in.
>He's confessing directly to Kim
If his plan was to win her over, it makes no sense. Specially bringing up Chuck's death.
You just can't escape this reality, pro-tip: if you want to win over your ex, maybe don't tell her that you killed your brother and lied about it for however long has been. It doesn't work like it does on TV kids.
They had this big argument over the phone where Kim demanded that Saul should turn himself in. Saul got pissed off and relapsed back to the game, maybe he wanted to get caught on some level.
Not that anon, but you sound like you didn't actually watch the show and just read some synposes.
"Giving up" would suggest he is too lazy/tired to weasel him out of the situation - which is not the case because he actually managed to reduce his sentence substantially, only after having already achieved that does he change his mind because of Kim, thus the absolute opposite of "giving up" because he had already won. He retracts his victory for personal purposes.
His plan isn't to win her over, but to regenerate some semblance of respect for himself from the point of view of the people he cared about: Kim and arguably Chuck.
Can't tell if you're shitposting or if you're like 100 IQ or something.
Probably 100 IQ who is now shitposting to save face.
All I say is 100% serious. "Giving up" doesn't imply anything. If I'm playing Black Jack and I surrender, it doesn't matter if I did it because I had a bad hand or because I'm trying to quit being a gambling addict, I still surrendered and that's what it's called: "giving up".
For getting Kim's respect, it's still a bad plan, but is understandable. But that's not what you said earlier.
>so that he could have some sort of relationship with her.
Those were your words. So you're just moving the goalpost now.
And in the end, Jimmy getting punished for his mistakes is nothing new. He multiple times through this show gets punished for his mistakes, he many times takes personal losses to do what he thinks is a good thing. Just from the top of my head use the example of the time he destroys his relationship with all his elder clients to help this one old lady he has hurt.
But every time things get rough he backtracks on it. And in the end he says he's gonna take responsibility for his crimes and go to jail for the rest of his life, helping noone in the process, and not learning a damn thing.
I guess it will be more difficult to backtrack now. I guess he's in a "unwinnable" situation now, but we've seen him in unwinnable situations before, we've seen him in almost die since episode one. And now he is on a place where half of the prisoners are in dept to him and loyal to him.
That's no redemption. That's phony, and I hate it.
Was a different anon before so there's two calling you dumb as bricks.
Relationship as in Kim respecting him as a person again and talking to him, not prison conjugal visits you numpty.
You really didn't get the show if you think this is Jimmy getting punished for his mistakes. Arguably to him, going to prison is the only non mistake he made in the last few seasons.
You didn't understand the show because you are too dumb and that's fine. But please trying to talk about it. It's not about "winning or losing". The show is ultimately a love story
He did it to protect people from himself. He knew how good he was at manipulating systems and people and that no matter what if he was free to do it he was going to. Look at the episode when he fools the people into hiring him without doing a proper background check. He berates them because it was too easy for him to get over on them. He knows in his heart that Chuck was absolutely right about everything and he hated himself for it. The only way he could ever stop himself from getting over on people is to remove himself from society completely
>A moralistic tying of loose ends
It wasn't that you.
He was more than happy to weasel his way into a great deal, doing a few years at a cosy jail. But then, he found out Kim confessed.
That's what happened.
I don't even want to know what tf you were watching lol
You know what don't even tell me either
Whatever stupid excuse you come up with I don't even want typed up, because some underage b& might actually think it's worth some weight.
You're a fricking moron.
Shut the frick up, Cinemaphile is not the entire world, go to see whats everybody's else opinion of the ending outside this site and you'll see
Zero cultural impact. No one talks about it.
>No one talks about it.
Better Call Saul videos in the last month:
https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Better+call+saul&sp=EgIIBA%253D%253D
Recent Better Call Saul tweets:
https://twitter.com/search?q=Better%20Call%20Saul&src=typed_query&f=live
"BCS" Cinemaphile search:
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"Better Call Saul" Cinemaphile search:
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Me when I'm delusional.
That's because you're a pleb anon
Ending was fine.
It died with chuck. His plotline was the only reason people put up with this lawyer bullshit. They should've just turn jimmy into saul at this point but they decided to drag it out for 3 or 4 seasons where literally nothing of note happens.
But Saul was doing sleazy tricks from the first episode, that's how he got to know Tuco and the cartel. Sometimes he could keep it under control better, but he would keep slipping. There's a scene in the second season where Jimmy is working for Davis & Main and he sees a sign that says do not turn off switch, and Jimmy turns it off anyway.
People wanted a show where saul from breaking bad is saving criminals from jail but all they got was slipping jimmy flipping switches.
Did you miss the part where he saved Daniel and Nacho from prison? Or when he helped Mike with the cops? Or Huell? When he helped Lalo get away with murder? When he helped that crook by tricking the witness into believing that a different guy was responsible for stealing from him?
Yes
Well, it's a long show that has a very slow tempo so it's understandable. But my point is that we see Saul help criminals get away with crimes multiple times during the show.
Simon is a homosexual. Kamina 2.0 was the last bit of soul.
>Kamina tells you he loves you
>dies
>Kittan tells you he loves you
>dies
Yoko is poison
I’m probably going to catch major shit for this, but what specifically do you guys enjoy so much about breaking bad and better call Saul? I’ve watched all breaking bad, and didn’t really enjoy it, it’s clearly well made though. To be fair I only just recently watched it, maybe being this far removed from when it was the height of tv pop culture makes it less impactful? I don’t know, I just didn’t find it to be all that great. Entertaining and well made for sure, but not the second coming of Christ this board portrays it as.
If it isn't good after 10 years of its original showing then it's not good, stop playing around
Watched the first season of BB and didn't really like it, even as a NM resident, many didn't either other than homos living in the suburbs
They built Walt and Jesse statues in Albuquerque
Yeah and took down a Gen. Lee one not far away, people are mentally ill
Great hook. Strong performances. Stakes always going up. It was a thrilling ride, though somewhat lacking in substance compared to the other greats it sits alongside with.
What do you find to be great anon?
For me it's: The Sopranos, Breaking Bad and X-Files
The "the thing" ripoff episode of X-Files got me out of it. I wish it was streaming somewhere so I could go back to watch it, but I'm not interested enough to try and torrent it.
I didn't watch the black and white episodes so the series has a completely different ending for me.
>this thread isn't gonna work because it doesn't have a janny
>there's no janny here
I stopped watching after the first black and white scene so the series has a completely different ending for me.
you stopped watching in episode one, moron?
Yes, dumbass. And now the series has a completely different ending for me.
watching the final episode now. god the last three episodes have been such shit. so incredibly boring
color filtered Nippy is top tier
Saul's final speech be like:
>Pic related.
this show didn't come close to breaking bad. what a snooze
I noticed how Saul always does this lawyer speech thing, where even in private he never says "the people you've killed" but rather goes for the more ambiguous "the people who died"
He's a weak man. If he accepts his clients are evil, he has to accept that he's evil, and maybe he does on a superficial sense, but he never internalises it enough to the point that he can change it. That's why he talks the way he talks.
Batista is on the way! the final confrontation with Batista and Dexter has been building up, can't wait to see this finale -
is this a subtle /bcs/ thread? miss u guys. I didn't like how BCS ended because it just felt like it was rushed. him getting a plea deal and then fricks it up to serve 80 years sentence felt weirdly tragic. I would have liked to seen him be more successful or happy in jail with friends or something and he becomes a jail lawyer before the show just ends because it's a sad tone to leave on. In my head canon he finds a way to reduce his jail time so maybe he ends up with Kim after all, if she's not still getting Yupped by the Mayo Man.
>is this a subtle /bcs/ thread?
It is now
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON
I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON
this will always be the ending to me.
A good ending would be Saul turning this trial into a media circus and having one last run as the showman he is.
A man can continue running in circles his entire life, and within any ending of anything, we'd want just the 1 thing, the truth of ourselves, and if anything more, it's to be recognized in that true stance. None of it is to be understood by anyone else except for you (and the one you love). So no, it wasn't a great ending, not entertaining to say, it came down to the bare bones what a man is- nothing, just time and place. Having an ending and the truth to meet it is good enough.
>SKREEEEONK REMEMBER ME?