Moomins are just white people drawn as hippos, so yes, Jesus exists for them. You know they're white because they have blue or green eyes, which is exactly like Jesus.
Christmas is not a christian holiday. It's based on pagan tradition.
Old middle eastern sects of christianity dont celebrate christmas and december 25 is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.
The bible mentions sheep eating grass outside during the birth of jesus. That would not have happened in december.
It's also probably no coincidence that dec 25 was an important pre-christian european holiday.
What difference does it make which day? Christmas is just the final day of the advent season in the liturgical calendar. There are tons of events in the liturgical calendar that don't correspond to the actual calendar date the event occurred and this is true even of many secular holidays. The point isn't the day it happens, it's rememberance and reverence of the events leading to Christ's coming. Fedora tippers and pagan larpers like to point out the December date because they think it's some sort of gotcha when in another reality we could have decided to have Christmas in July 1000+ years ago and the tradition would have carried forward just the same.
What the frick do you think sheep in North Africa eat in the winter?
Costco brand sheep feed?
I mean, you’re goth but your reasoning is entirely moronic
>It's also probably no coincidence that dec 25 was an important pre-christian european holiday.
Only thing that ever happened at that time was Saturnalia and that festival was literally invented by Aurelian to combat the popularity of Christianity, over 250 years Anno Domini.
I’m not a pagan larper but some elements of saturnalia survived in medieval christmas, notably lords serving their serfs where roman households would have slaves waited on by their master
I get it hernandez, you really need to overcompensate, but nothing we do on christmas has anything to do with paganism. Again, most of our traditions around it started in the renaissance, before that it was just 12 days people got drunk and feasted on.
Proselytizing, my boy. Proselytized away! You see, Pagans had a holiday and Christians had a holiday, and the Christian holiday spread alllllll the way over to the Pagans and killed their holiday. Killed it dead! We. Killed. Your. Holiday!
neopagans are giant pussies who typically know nothing about actual ritual observance in pre christian religion. if you slit a cows throat and burned it they’d unironcially start crying and call peta.
No, it's a Christian holiday that replaced a pagan one. I'm in one of those "ancient middle eastern sects" and we celebrate Christmas. We call Santa 'Baba Noel', who is based on St. Nicholas, who punched the heretic Arius, and would punch you godless degenerates as well.
Ooooookay if we’re being “offensive” I’ll point out this inoffensive fact: israelites suck the actual wieners of babies. They cut the baby’s wienerhead off and suck the blood, this is called “bris” so remember when you see evil, offensive shit written about Christ of all things like this post remember the people who post them.
Moomins are just white people drawn as hippos, so yes, Jesus exists for them. You know they're white because they have blue or green eyes, which is exactly like Jesus.
The concept of christmas and a christmas tree (or Jule as they call it in it) etc is entirely novel to the Moomins in that episode, and the entire episode centers around the moomins kinda candidly partaking in this foreign tradition because the guest they received during the winter was all about celebrating Christmas.
Nowhere is jesus or anything religious mentioned in that episode however.
Yule (also called Jul, jól or joulu) is a winter festival historically observed by the Germanic peoples that was incorporated into Christmas during the Christianisation of the Germanic peoples. In present times adherents of some new religious movements (such as Modern Germanic paganism) celebrate Yule independently of the Christian festival. Scholars have connected the original celebrations of Yule to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin, and the heathen Anglo-Saxon Mōdraniht ("Mothers' Night"). The term Yule and cognates are still used in English and the Scandinavian languages as well as in Finnish and Estonian to describe Christmas and other festivals occurring during the winter holiday season. Furthermore, some present-day Christmas customs and traditions such as the Yule log, Yule goat, Yule boar, Yule singing, and others may have connections to older pagan Yule traditions.
Get that middle-eastern carpenter worship away from us!
7 months ago
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that's Nuuttipukki tho
7 months ago
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7 months ago
Anonymous
Just checked and it's Christmas.
7 months ago
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Jou means Christ and lu means mass
7 months ago
Anonymous
I assume you go into work on sunday then? Don’t want that dirty christian sabbath infecting your life
7 months ago
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>sunday
saturday
7 months ago
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What?
7 months ago
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sabbath is on saturday
7 months ago
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that’s NOT the sabbath, it’s actually stolen from the pagan anushlect commemorating when odin drank the semen of every horse in loki’s retinue. traditional germanic pagans would take a day off from drinking urine to ritually remember this occasion.
7 months ago
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Actually, I do, because I own my repair shop do business whenever I feel like it.
Haven't had a christian yule once in my life, just joulu with the family.
7 months ago
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Prove it
7 months ago
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>all the images are from modern larps that have nothing to do with actual historical practices
7 months ago
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>pictures from the 19th century >modern larps
why are amerimutt ZOGolems like this.
7 months ago
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you realise the 19th century is modernity you fricking mong?
7 months ago
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I just realised that calculus was invented by christians, so i’ve stopped using anything that utilises it. Farewell Cinemaphile.
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Christmas is not a christian holiday. It's based on pagan tradition.
Old middle eastern sects of christianity dont celebrate christmas and december 25 is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.
i see people say this all the time but decorating trees in the winter solstice was never a thing. 99% of the shit we associate with Christmas came from the 16th century long after paganism was no longer practiced in europe
Because nothing in the actual source material indicates that Snuffkin or Moomin are homosexuals. The actual gay self inserts are these two frickers.
Also, Tove Janson wasn't some exclusive lesbian, she had an ex fiancee and her lesbianism seems to have emerged as a cope from the fact that the dude she was hitched with abandoned her.
It’s because Snufkin is based on her fiancé who abandoned her. It’s a pretty far stretch, especially if they’re talking about the 90’s anime where Moomin talks and acts like a little boy.
>It was ancient custom that when sacrifice was to be made, all farmers were to come to the heathen temple and bring along with them the food they needed while the feast lasted. At this feast all were to take part of the drinking of ale. Also all kinds of livestock were killed in connection with it, horses also; and all the blood from them was called hlaut [sacrificial blood], and hlautbolli, the vessel holding the blood; and hlautteinar, the sacrificial twigs [aspergills]. These were fashioned like sprinklers, and with them were to be smeared all over with blood the pedestals of the idols and also the walls of the temple within and without; and likewise the men present were to be sprinkled with blood. But the meat of the animals was to be boiled and served as food at the banquet. Fires were to be lighted in the middle of the temple floor, and kettles hung over the fires. The sacrificial beaker was to be borne around the fire, and he who made the feast and was chieftain, was to bless the beaker as well as all the sacrificial meat
What does this have to do with decorating trees and giving gifts and shit?
>After introduction of Christianity, other religious activities were banned as idolatry, but the festival continued despite this. The festival is first documented in 1542–1547, when peasantry in Savonia were fined for having celebrated what was referred to by the authorities as festivities to Thor (as the god Ukko was identified by the Swedes as the Finnish version of the god Thor).[1] The festival is mentioned by the Finnish reformer Mikael Agricola in his account of what from his point of view was Finnish idolatry.[2] In 1670, the festivals reportedly continued as before and it was reported that the peasantry did not consider it a sin.[1] Reportedly, the festival was still celebrated in at least some part of the country as late as 1910
Santaclaus is still called yule buck in Finnish. My grandma once told me that when she was a kid there were no santaclaus in the modern sense but just some people dressed up as goats singing. The modern coca cola santa is a rather recent phenomenon, at least here.
this I dunno why pagans and christians fight when both have plenty of great traditions and contributions to culture. it’s really secularism that is opposed to both of them and is shit
Christians, at least the loud /misc/ types are essentially religious supremacists that see all pagans as "traitors" for abandoning the moronic israelite worship that christgays advocate for. Not that trying to revive long dead superstitious mumbo jumbo that is neopaganism is any less moronic.
People who believe in the supernatural are fricked in the head.
People who believe in the supernatural should team up against people who don’t, especially since they mostly align politically. I mean all the religious people on /misc/, neopagan or christian, are ethno nationalists anyway. The leftists they hate are majority atheist, they’re all obsessed with premodern religious culture and art, just from different periods. They have more in common with eachother than they do with secularists
A significant portion of christgays even on /misc/ are actively hostile to ethnonationalism and would side with christian Black folk over pagan or atheist Europeans/white people.
Being a nonbeliever is believing a lie about yourself. You're a child of God, whether you like it or not.
Black person you literally believe in fricking magic.
People say that but statistical evidence implies the opposite. Atheist whites are overwhelmingly majority leftist for example, and christians skew the complete opposite. There’s just no data backing that up
projection of how your childish mind thinks of religion and spirituality
you have been diagnosed with moronic sexuality
7 months ago
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Your spirituality has no substantive or logical difference with any other belief system based on magical nonsense. Religious people are no fricking different from people who believe in ghosts, horoscopes, healing crystals or fairies.
Your beliefs are based on magical thinking, you literally fricking believe that magic shit is real if you actually believe in what christianity teaches. If you think souls exists, you believe in fricking magic.
7 months ago
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Magic is a forbidden practice within Christianity, anon.
7 months ago
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Turning water into wine is magic.
7 months ago
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That would be a miracle form God with no ill consequences
7 months ago
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No, it's a miracle. Christians don't perform divination rituals and whatnot. That's magic.
7 months ago
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You cannot even explain what the actual difference between "miracles" and "magic" is, other than just claiming that the former is god approved while the later isn't.
7 months ago
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We said it has no bad consequences, miracles are wholly good. Magic requires sodomy and human sacrifices
7 months ago
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So was god killing egyptian children magic, instead of a miracle?
7 months ago
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That would be God’s wrath, sometimes it’s better to die than continue compounding sins
7 months ago
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And how exactly is any of this not magic? How did god kill those kids if not trough some supernatural force, aka magic?
7 months ago
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He just did it with no assistance. In a magic ritual one has to appeal to a lesser demon
7 months ago
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Every single fricking "miracle" that jesus alledgedly did was essentially just magic bs. The fricking notion of god and angels are basically just magic. Just because you call something a divine miracle or act of god etc doesn't change the fact that what you are arguing for is magic.
For clarity, to me "magic" = Supernatural forces acting on our reality in ways that cannot be replicated or explained by the laws of physics.
I reject any notion of supernatural bullshit being real, because there is no fricking reason to believe in anything supernatural, because there has never been any fricking evidence for any of it. Worldviews based on supernatural bullshit have an absolutely abysmal track record in accurately depicting our reality and only fricking morons cling to those world views.
7 months ago
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reddit seethe
7 months ago
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You can seethe all you want, but magic is a whole different thing compared to religious miracles. We don't consider the monk Rasputin healing Tsar St. Nicholas's son as "magic," it's just a miracle that secular doctors can't comprehend.
I think you're genuinely upset that you can't find a reason to believe, but you're perceiving the world through a modern, secular sense that cannot accept metaphysical philosophy or justification for its own claims or existence.
7 months ago
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Black person, I don't give a single shit about how you perceive supposed miracles, they are all magic bullshit, it is all the same to me.
I have no desire or need to incorporate beliefs in the supernatural in my world view, because there is no fricking reason to believe in supernatural bullshit, as there is no evidence for it. No amount of philosophical pillpull and copium will ever change the fact that we have never observed anything verifiably supernatural occurring in the history of humanity, and that all religions are clearly man made doctrines that have changed troughout the history to suit the purposes of the people controlling those religions.
I essentially see you religious people as fricking morons that buy into clearly false and fake world views out of some sort of missplaced emotional need, rather than any sort of rational consideration. No fricking different from people that believe in horoscopes, fairies or witchcraft.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's your misconception to make. I genuinely think atheists are mentally handicapped and you believe your ancestor was a fish. You're basically a dehumanised product of modernity and slave to a system of knowledge that can not justify itself and consistently has been shown to be unreliable. But the sad thing is, as weak as it is, that's all you've been programmed to have.
I could reference the early Christians who witnessed miracles and the resurrection of Christ, and they also recorded it. They were also tortured and killed rather than renounce their belief. Maybe their conviction was strong for a reason? I also noted the recent miracle performed by Rasputin, which nobody can explain.
But at the end of the day, this is not a religion based on evidence via miracles. You would not be convinced even if you witnessed a miracle. This is not a problem of your intellect. Rather, it is a spiritual one.
7 months ago
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Christianity especially, is essentially a religion of egoism. It screams out from you every time you fricks b***h and whine about evolution. It is clear that it offends your moronic egos and need to feel speshul.
You are the fricking brain damaged morons to whom the notion that humanity isn't the most important, center of cosmos and creation, is so offensive that you continue to reject biological reality around you.
I see no fricking problem with thinkin that humanity evolved from earlier, more primitive lifeforms, along with all other life, but for you, that notion is dehumanising because it "reduces" you to a "mere" animal instead of some special divinely created being.
Your world view is laughable, and pathetic, nothing more than copium to shelter your fragile ego in the face of the nature of the reality we live in.
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah you aren’t mad
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not an argument, moron
7 months ago
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why do you assume it was meant to be, actual moron?
are you black?
7 months ago
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I accept your concession then, christBlack person.
7 months ago
Anonymous
so you are black and mad
do you have a small dick too
>this I dunno why pagans and christians fight when both have plenty of great traditions and contributions to culture
christians tried really hard to erase european paganism, which they succeeded in doing for everyone except for the norse and the hellenics. So modern pagans are naturally bitter that learning about their religion often borders on being totally impossible.
Literally everything we know about norse paganism comes from christians recording their traditions since they didn’t do it themselves. The vast majority of this stuff comes from snorri who was literally part of the clergy. As for hellenic manuscripts, we have 2 extant ones, everything else we read of them is based on medieval copies. They didn’t really erase shit
>The vast majority of this stuff comes from snorri who was literally part of the clergy.
The majority of secondary commentaries on norse mythology comes from snorri sturluson (who was an icelandic politician by the way, not a member of the clergy), but a lot of the shit he says is so dubious that it's often not worth considering. The real bulk of mythological knowledge comes from the codex regius manuscript, whose author is anonymous. >They didn’t really erase shit
Uh huh. Can you name any substantive authentic slavic pagan myths? Can you name any german ones besides nibelungenlied? How about some english ones with no major christian revisionism/ syncretism?
>whose author is anonymous
ie, a monk, the only people who were writing in the period
7 months ago
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>a christian monk spent his time travelling around scandinavia ingratiating himself to pagan enclaves so they would share their extensive oral tradition with him so that he could preserve the stories of demons (in his mind) and the deeds of their worshippers
yeah, sorry, but that sounds like total bullshit.
7 months ago
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I mean this is literally how the kalevala was compiled, the author even inserted some christian motifs into it. So yeah, this did happen, and again, the clergy, especially in the period you are talking about, were the literate class with access to the vellum and scriptoriums needed to make these kinds of documents. Your entire argument relies on the assumption that a monk wouldn’t do this, based on what you think about monks. But they did do it, you already mentioned the ring cycle which was 100% compiled and recorded in a monastery
7 months ago
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>you already mentioned the ring cycle which was 100% compiled and recorded in a monastery
Well of course christians would like the volsungs material, the story of Sigurth particularly, because it makes Odin look like a humungous c**t. Besides giving advice on how to fight fafnir, Odin is basically the antagonist of Sigruth's story.
>name myths from people who refused to record and write down their myths
How? >christian revisionism
If you mean beowulf, this has long since been dropped by academics. The poem andreas was composed quite early and quotes the christian parts of beowulf, so they were undoubtedly there before it was ever written down, at composition stage.
7 months ago
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>How?
pagans were very good at preserving their myths over vast amounts of time, provided you don't kill and/or forcibly convert them.
The poem Volundarkvitha in the codex regius was 700 years old when it was recorded, and the poem Grimnismal was 500 years old when it was recorded.
Also that odin bracteate that was discovered recently bearing the inscription "he was Odin's man" indicates that the character of Odin as being connected to royalty, war, and death is at least as old as the 5th century AD.
7 months ago
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>pagans were very good at preserving their myths >except we don’t have any of them
???
also >The vocabulary and some of the formulaic phrasing of the poem is clearly influenced by West Germanic, with the strongest case being for influence specifically from Old English (a West Germanic dialect). It is thought likely, therefore, that Vǫlundarkviða was composed in, or otherwise influenced by traditions from, the Norse diaspora in England. This would suggest origins around the tenth or eleventh century.[2][3] This fits in turn with the fact that most of the analogues to Vǫlundarkviða are West-Germanic in origin.
Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
7 months ago
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we don’t have any of them >???
yes, because there aren't any more pagans. That's why I included the conditional clause >provided you don't kill and/or forcibly convert them.
speed reader-kun. >Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
There is coinage depicting the titular Weyland dating back to the 6th century, and an anglo-saxon artefact (Frank's casket) from the early 8th century which depicts one of the scenes from the poem. So Volundarkvitha was at least 500 years old when written, potentially being even older than that if you accept linguistic evidence.
7 months ago
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>Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
oh wait, same anon, I just noticed part of the issue here. The codex regius was compiled in the 13th century. Not the 11th century. Something from the 500s would be 700 years old in the 13th century.
As a Christian, I don't consider the modern pagan revival as legitimate nor connected to anything cultural or spiritual. It's a waste of time considering the secular world after the Enlightenment is pagan. People just don't realise it, but if you look into the French revolution, you'll notice they started creating pagan cults and literally placed their statues within churches to be worshipped. The two big ones were the Cult of the Supreme Being and the Cult of Reason. Nothing has changed since then. We just replaced those with modern corporations in various industries, and millions of human sacrifices are still performed in the form of abortions.
Also, Christians perceive the pagan idols as demons who have deceived their worshippers. They also don't believe in race or blood worship. There can be no reconciliation between the two.
All of those are essentially elements of the secular religion that is american liberalism.
Holocaust shit especially, they treat people who question that dogma as fricking heretics in all but name.
Liberal humanism is atheistic but still has essentially irrational, pseudo religious dogmas that cannot be questioned, many of those dogmas being just secularized elements of Christianity. I
>LoveGod >Love your neighbor as yourself. >Forgive others who have wronged you. >Love your enemies. >Ask God for forgiveness of your sins. >Jesus is the Messiah and was given the authority to forgive others. >Repentance of sins is essential. >Don’t be hypocritical. >Don’t judge others. >The Kingdom of God is near. It’s not the rich and powerful—but the weak and poor—who will inherit this kingdom.
These are the teachings of Christ as written in the Bible.
If you do not follow these teachings in your everyday life you are not a Christian.
If you cherrypick parts of the old testament to undermine these teachings you are not a Christian and are guilty of vanity.
teachings of Christ take presidence over all other types of knowledge.
"....One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Yeah because it's a Scandinavian show right and they have crosses on their flags and have been Christian since like 1200 AD so yeah Moomins have Jesus. Christ is king.
Nowhere in the moomins is jesus ever mentioned and Tove Janson was a bordeline commie lesbian fennoswede, that most likely didn't have any strong religious beliefs.
Depends entirely on what category of fennoswede you are talking about. The osterbothnians are bunch of fundies yeah, but Tove wasn't one of them, she belonged to the affulent southern coastal fennoswedes, born and died in Helsinki, and they are secular as frick.
Fennoswedes aren't a monolith, the category of fennoswede from which Tove descend essentially were the ruling class of Finland back in the day whereas the bumfrick potato farmers of osterbothnia differed from regular finns just by language, nothing else really.
Any religious person, pagan or christian, needs to be killed asap. Your reactionary moronation holds society back. It’s all a load of bullshit stories from feudal hut dwellers
>decorated tree
never happened on yule historically >reindeer
didn’t become part of the christmas mythos until early modernity >pinecone
it’s a pinecone
If there is a God, it's definitely not one from any human religion. Christianity and Islam are really just historical Judaism paganism being outwardly projected, and it's gone too far. People cannot let go because of sunk cost.
Religious people will ignore reality and even lie to themselves and others in order to maintain and spread their false world view. >mfw pastor at the confirmation school or whatever you call that shit in english argued to me with a straight face that Christianity is the oldest religion in the world, and how it precedes Hinduism etc
One of the chief reasons I grew to dislike religious people is their duplicitious nature and the way they treat people they are trying to sway into their cults in all kinds of manipulative ways, and seemingly pretending that the people they are trying to manipulate are fricking idiots that can't see trough their antics.
I am not religious m8.
I do not believe that there has ever been some sort of world wide biblical flooding, if that is what you are asking. The flood myths most likely originate from the times when the last ice age began to end and the melting glaciers caused rapid rise in the sea levels, which were probably rather disastrous for the early human communities living near such areas, and thus inspired such flood myths.
I am not sure what you even mean by "first man". If you mean shit like adam and eve, no I do not believe in that sort of bs. I think that we evolved from earlier hominids and that for at ime there were multiple human species on this planet, which we eventually outcompeted and in some cases interbred with. For example, Eurasian peoples have some amounts of neanderthal dna, because our ancestors intermixed with the neanderthals to some degree.
Can't have a comfy thread without christisraelites getting aggressive when they realize their shitskin sand religion just stole everything from the pagans
What even is Moomin? I've seen people talk about it and have seen tiny clips of it but still have no idea what it is. From what I understand there is a guy who is friends with a little white cow thing but that picture features more than one of the little white cows, is it a Smurf situation where they all look the same and live in a town together? Is Moomin the guys name?
Yes. Moomins wouldn't believe in any false prophet or faith.
Christmas is not a christian holiday. It's based on pagan tradition.
Old middle eastern sects of christianity dont celebrate christmas and december 25 is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.
>Old middle eastern sects of christianity dont celebrate christmas
Nobody cares about sandBlack folk.
>december 25 is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.
I don't remember The Bible having dates, so what's your point?
The bible mentions sheep eating grass outside during the birth of jesus. That would not have happened in december.
It's also probably no coincidence that dec 25 was an important pre-christian european holiday.
Why wouldn't it? We're talking about a Mediterranean climate.
it gets cold and snows in bethlehem in december
right do the math again but account for global warming, regard
What difference does it make which day? Christmas is just the final day of the advent season in the liturgical calendar. There are tons of events in the liturgical calendar that don't correspond to the actual calendar date the event occurred and this is true even of many secular holidays. The point isn't the day it happens, it's rememberance and reverence of the events leading to Christ's coming. Fedora tippers and pagan larpers like to point out the December date because they think it's some sort of gotcha when in another reality we could have decided to have Christmas in July 1000+ years ago and the tradition would have carried forward just the same.
What the frick do you think sheep in North Africa eat in the winter?
Costco brand sheep feed?
I mean, you’re goth but your reasoning is entirely moronic
Silliest argument ever, goats eat all year and it wasn't the fricking antartica lmao
>dec 25 was an important pre-christian european holiday.
Name ten sources
>It's also probably no coincidence that dec 25 was an important pre-christian european holiday.
Only thing that ever happened at that time was Saturnalia and that festival was literally invented by Aurelian to combat the popularity of Christianity, over 250 years Anno Domini.
I’m not a pagan larper but some elements of saturnalia survived in medieval christmas, notably lords serving their serfs where roman households would have slaves waited on by their master
>Nobody cares about sandBlack folk
It's your entire religion lol
Based midwit YouTube documentary historian.
Confirmed for not being white. I bet you don't even call christmas by it's pagan name.
I get it hernandez, you really need to overcompensate, but nothing we do on christmas has anything to do with paganism. Again, most of our traditions around it started in the renaissance, before that it was just 12 days people got drunk and feasted on.
Good things evolve.
the celebration on 24-25 of December is not called Christmas, but Yule in the nordic region
>ackshually
Proselytizing, my boy. Proselytized away! You see, Pagans had a holiday and Christians had a holiday, and the Christian holiday spread alllllll the way over to the Pagans and killed their holiday. Killed it dead! We. Killed. Your. Holiday!
If so why aren’t the moomins sacrificing a bull?
neopagans are giant pussies who typically know nothing about actual ritual observance in pre christian religion. if you slit a cows throat and burned it they’d unironcially start crying and call peta.
What about paleopagans?
If you perform a pagan ritual, and the whole time you’re saying “thank you Jesus. Jesus is lord. Oh wonderful baby Jesus”
It’s Christian.
incel cope
Jesus is king
No, it's a Christian holiday that replaced a pagan one. I'm in one of those "ancient middle eastern sects" and we celebrate Christmas. We call Santa 'Baba Noel', who is based on St. Nicholas, who punched the heretic Arius, and would punch you godless degenerates as well.
Ooooookay if we’re being “offensive” I’ll point out this inoffensive fact: israelites suck the actual wieners of babies. They cut the baby’s wienerhead off and suck the blood, this is called “bris” so remember when you see evil, offensive shit written about Christ of all things like this post remember the people who post them.
How does that mesh with all the moomins being gay?
Moomins are just white people drawn as hippos, so yes, Jesus exists for them. You know they're white because they have blue or green eyes, which is exactly like Jesus.
Jesus had black eyes, like a dolls eyes
The concept of christmas and a christmas tree (or Jule as they call it in it) etc is entirely novel to the Moomins in that episode, and the entire episode centers around the moomins kinda candidly partaking in this foreign tradition because the guest they received during the winter was all about celebrating Christmas.
Nowhere is jesus or anything religious mentioned in that episode however.
they celebrate jul, which has nothing to do with Christ
Moomins vape?
>jul
That's just Christmas in Swedish, moron.
no it's yule in english
Moomins weren't written in English.
Jul literally is Christmas, you troglodyte.
t. Swede
Yule (also called Jul, jól or joulu) is a winter festival historically observed by the Germanic peoples that was incorporated into Christmas during the Christianisation of the Germanic peoples. In present times adherents of some new religious movements (such as Modern Germanic paganism) celebrate Yule independently of the Christian festival. Scholars have connected the original celebrations of Yule to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin, and the heathen Anglo-Saxon Mōdraniht ("Mothers' Night"). The term Yule and cognates are still used in English and the Scandinavian languages as well as in Finnish and Estonian to describe Christmas and other festivals occurring during the winter holiday season. Furthermore, some present-day Christmas customs and traditions such as the Yule log, Yule goat, Yule boar, Yule singing, and others may have connections to older pagan Yule traditions.
>joulu
That's just Christmas in Finnish.
that would be Kristuksenmessu
False.
>Kristuksenmessu
That's Christ's mass, not Christmas. Joulu is Christmas.
Neekeri
The smartest finn.
No, joulu is joulu.
What next, are you gonna argue that påsk is not passover in English?
But in finnish joulu isn't kristusmessu.
Joulu is Christmas. The frick's your point?
Joulu is yule.
Get that middle-eastern carpenter worship away from us!
that's Nuuttipukki tho
Just checked and it's Christmas.
Jou means Christ and lu means mass
I assume you go into work on sunday then? Don’t want that dirty christian sabbath infecting your life
>sunday
saturday
What?
sabbath is on saturday
that’s NOT the sabbath, it’s actually stolen from the pagan anushlect commemorating when odin drank the semen of every horse in loki’s retinue. traditional germanic pagans would take a day off from drinking urine to ritually remember this occasion.
Actually, I do, because I own my repair shop do business whenever I feel like it.
Haven't had a christian yule once in my life, just joulu with the family.
Prove it
>all the images are from modern larps that have nothing to do with actual historical practices
>pictures from the 19th century
>modern larps
why are amerimutt ZOGolems like this.
you realise the 19th century is modernity you fricking mong?
I just realised that calculus was invented by christians, so i’ve stopped using anything that utilises it. Farewell Cinemaphile.
Jul is Christmas because they adopted the already existing tradition of celebrating Jul instead of forcing the name Kristusmesse on us.
i see people say this all the time but decorating trees in the winter solstice was never a thing. 99% of the shit we associate with Christmas came from the 16th century long after paganism was no longer practiced in europe
isn’t getting sunday off work a christian thing? what’s their cope for that one
Not sure what you're getting at with this question, but it's carried over from Judaism.
That’s not Christmas, that’s Yule.
You gays are making my Yule times gay
Yule Cat, Yule Log, Yule Lads...who is the most powerful?
the Yule gnomes mog them all
Official creature ranking:
>John Bauer's goobers
>Moomins
>postcard gnomes
>so Jesus exists in their world?
christmas is older than Jesus
any kinos for this feel?
https://areena.yle.fi/1-428709
scary
90s moomin is a masterpiece no matter what
Why are Moomin fans like this?
damn she can get it
Delete this disgusting cancer
Why do /misc/cels get so upset when a book series created by a communist lesbian and full of self-insert stuff about her gay life has gay fans?
Look at all the christcucks ITT. It’s pointless trying to discuss leftist art when these moronic homophobes are posting.
homosexuals reproduce by fricking children
Because nothing in the actual source material indicates that Snuffkin or Moomin are homosexuals. The actual gay self inserts are these two frickers.
Also, Tove Janson wasn't some exclusive lesbian, she had an ex fiancee and her lesbianism seems to have emerged as a cope from the fact that the dude she was hitched with abandoned her.
It’s because Snufkin is based on her fiancé who abandoned her. It’s a pretty far stretch, especially if they’re talking about the 90’s anime where Moomin talks and acts like a little boy.
>Little My is older than other child cast
cursed
Canon accurate. Little my is older than Snuffkin.
Mymble my beloved..
why is everyone a fricking manlet
Moomin attracts insufferable "wholesome ugu gay babies" types so just ignore them. It's inevitable that homosexuals have to ruin wholesome clean fun.
Mymbles are human
You’re full of shit, OP
they live in Finland dude
>It was ancient custom that when sacrifice was to be made, all farmers were to come to the heathen temple and bring along with them the food they needed while the feast lasted. At this feast all were to take part of the drinking of ale. Also all kinds of livestock were killed in connection with it, horses also; and all the blood from them was called hlaut [sacrificial blood], and hlautbolli, the vessel holding the blood; and hlautteinar, the sacrificial twigs [aspergills]. These were fashioned like sprinklers, and with them were to be smeared all over with blood the pedestals of the idols and also the walls of the temple within and without; and likewise the men present were to be sprinkled with blood. But the meat of the animals was to be boiled and served as food at the banquet. Fires were to be lighted in the middle of the temple floor, and kettles hung over the fires. The sacrificial beaker was to be borne around the fire, and he who made the feast and was chieftain, was to bless the beaker as well as all the sacrificial meat
What does this have to do with decorating trees and giving gifts and shit?
Do any larpers actually do this on christmas
nobody even did it back then. you can tell by the word ancient
What does decorating trees and giving gifts and shit have to do with Rabbi Jeebus?
It didn’t exist in pagan tradition like you’re claiming, ie, it’s a purely christian thing
>After introduction of Christianity, other religious activities were banned as idolatry, but the festival continued despite this. The festival is first documented in 1542–1547, when peasantry in Savonia were fined for having celebrated what was referred to by the authorities as festivities to Thor (as the god Ukko was identified by the Swedes as the Finnish version of the god Thor).[1] The festival is mentioned by the Finnish reformer Mikael Agricola in his account of what from his point of view was Finnish idolatry.[2] In 1670, the festivals reportedly continued as before and it was reported that the peasantry did not consider it a sin.[1] Reportedly, the festival was still celebrated in at least some part of the country as late as 1910
what did people actually do in this festival though? because it seems like it has nothing to do with what we do on christmas today.
they drank coca cola
It was like halloween, except the trick or treaters were young men dressed up as krampus who went from door to door to demand beer instead of candies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Knut%27s_Day#Finland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_goat#Julebukking
Santaclaus is still called yule buck in Finnish. My grandma once told me that when she was a kid there were no santaclaus in the modern sense but just some people dressed up as goats singing. The modern coca cola santa is a rather recent phenomenon, at least here.
>bulletproof glass
Who tf dared to shoot the Pope in the Cars universe. Coward
I wouldn't read too deep into a lot of stuff in the Moomins except for all the allegories about lesbian sex and relationships.
Romans invented Christmas lights and coca cola Santa Claus to convert le Nordern pagans yo
Don't mind me I'm just putting the cutest Christmas tradition
Jesus exists everywhere
How come there aren’t any atheist traditions or holidays
Gaypride
Pride month
Black history month
Drag queen story hour
there’s plenty, chud
Black Month (America)
Gay Month (America)
Holocaust Month (Europe)
this I dunno why pagans and christians fight when both have plenty of great traditions and contributions to culture. it’s really secularism that is opposed to both of them and is shit
It’s divide and conquer tactics.
Christians, at least the loud /misc/ types are essentially religious supremacists that see all pagans as "traitors" for abandoning the moronic israelite worship that christgays advocate for. Not that trying to revive long dead superstitious mumbo jumbo that is neopaganism is any less moronic.
People who believe in the supernatural are fricked in the head.
People who believe in the supernatural should team up against people who don’t, especially since they mostly align politically. I mean all the religious people on /misc/, neopagan or christian, are ethno nationalists anyway. The leftists they hate are majority atheist, they’re all obsessed with premodern religious culture and art, just from different periods. They have more in common with eachother than they do with secularists
A significant portion of christgays even on /misc/ are actively hostile to ethnonationalism and would side with christian Black folk over pagan or atheist Europeans/white people.
Black person you literally believe in fricking magic.
People say that but statistical evidence implies the opposite. Atheist whites are overwhelmingly majority leftist for example, and christians skew the complete opposite. There’s just no data backing that up
i get to choose the opinions of people i disagree with and that makes ME right
i am the expert on the actual opinions of people i disagree with
Being a nonbeliever is believing a lie about yourself. You're a child of God, whether you like it or not.
you are the lowest iq most reddit kind of homosexual trans Black person that posts online
Lmao, did you get upset christBlack person? Why don't you try praying and ask for your magic skydaddy to take those nasty feelings away
projection of how your childish mind thinks of religion and spirituality
you have been diagnosed with moronic sexuality
Your spirituality has no substantive or logical difference with any other belief system based on magical nonsense. Religious people are no fricking different from people who believe in ghosts, horoscopes, healing crystals or fairies.
Your beliefs are based on magical thinking, you literally fricking believe that magic shit is real if you actually believe in what christianity teaches. If you think souls exists, you believe in fricking magic.
Magic is a forbidden practice within Christianity, anon.
Turning water into wine is magic.
That would be a miracle form God with no ill consequences
No, it's a miracle. Christians don't perform divination rituals and whatnot. That's magic.
You cannot even explain what the actual difference between "miracles" and "magic" is, other than just claiming that the former is god approved while the later isn't.
We said it has no bad consequences, miracles are wholly good. Magic requires sodomy and human sacrifices
So was god killing egyptian children magic, instead of a miracle?
That would be God’s wrath, sometimes it’s better to die than continue compounding sins
And how exactly is any of this not magic? How did god kill those kids if not trough some supernatural force, aka magic?
He just did it with no assistance. In a magic ritual one has to appeal to a lesser demon
Every single fricking "miracle" that jesus alledgedly did was essentially just magic bs. The fricking notion of god and angels are basically just magic. Just because you call something a divine miracle or act of god etc doesn't change the fact that what you are arguing for is magic.
For clarity, to me "magic" = Supernatural forces acting on our reality in ways that cannot be replicated or explained by the laws of physics.
I reject any notion of supernatural bullshit being real, because there is no fricking reason to believe in anything supernatural, because there has never been any fricking evidence for any of it. Worldviews based on supernatural bullshit have an absolutely abysmal track record in accurately depicting our reality and only fricking morons cling to those world views.
reddit seethe
You can seethe all you want, but magic is a whole different thing compared to religious miracles. We don't consider the monk Rasputin healing Tsar St. Nicholas's son as "magic," it's just a miracle that secular doctors can't comprehend.
I think you're genuinely upset that you can't find a reason to believe, but you're perceiving the world through a modern, secular sense that cannot accept metaphysical philosophy or justification for its own claims or existence.
Black person, I don't give a single shit about how you perceive supposed miracles, they are all magic bullshit, it is all the same to me.
I have no desire or need to incorporate beliefs in the supernatural in my world view, because there is no fricking reason to believe in supernatural bullshit, as there is no evidence for it. No amount of philosophical pillpull and copium will ever change the fact that we have never observed anything verifiably supernatural occurring in the history of humanity, and that all religions are clearly man made doctrines that have changed troughout the history to suit the purposes of the people controlling those religions.
I essentially see you religious people as fricking morons that buy into clearly false and fake world views out of some sort of missplaced emotional need, rather than any sort of rational consideration. No fricking different from people that believe in horoscopes, fairies or witchcraft.
That's your misconception to make. I genuinely think atheists are mentally handicapped and you believe your ancestor was a fish. You're basically a dehumanised product of modernity and slave to a system of knowledge that can not justify itself and consistently has been shown to be unreliable. But the sad thing is, as weak as it is, that's all you've been programmed to have.
I could reference the early Christians who witnessed miracles and the resurrection of Christ, and they also recorded it. They were also tortured and killed rather than renounce their belief. Maybe their conviction was strong for a reason? I also noted the recent miracle performed by Rasputin, which nobody can explain.
But at the end of the day, this is not a religion based on evidence via miracles. You would not be convinced even if you witnessed a miracle. This is not a problem of your intellect. Rather, it is a spiritual one.
Christianity especially, is essentially a religion of egoism. It screams out from you every time you fricks b***h and whine about evolution. It is clear that it offends your moronic egos and need to feel speshul.
You are the fricking brain damaged morons to whom the notion that humanity isn't the most important, center of cosmos and creation, is so offensive that you continue to reject biological reality around you.
I see no fricking problem with thinkin that humanity evolved from earlier, more primitive lifeforms, along with all other life, but for you, that notion is dehumanising because it "reduces" you to a "mere" animal instead of some special divinely created being.
Your world view is laughable, and pathetic, nothing more than copium to shelter your fragile ego in the face of the nature of the reality we live in.
yeah you aren’t mad
Not an argument, moron
why do you assume it was meant to be, actual moron?
are you black?
I accept your concession then, christBlack person.
so you are black and mad
do you have a small dick too
>this I dunno why pagans and christians fight when both have plenty of great traditions and contributions to culture
christians tried really hard to erase european paganism, which they succeeded in doing for everyone except for the norse and the hellenics. So modern pagans are naturally bitter that learning about their religion often borders on being totally impossible.
Literally everything we know about norse paganism comes from christians recording their traditions since they didn’t do it themselves. The vast majority of this stuff comes from snorri who was literally part of the clergy. As for hellenic manuscripts, we have 2 extant ones, everything else we read of them is based on medieval copies. They didn’t really erase shit
>The vast majority of this stuff comes from snorri who was literally part of the clergy.
The majority of secondary commentaries on norse mythology comes from snorri sturluson (who was an icelandic politician by the way, not a member of the clergy), but a lot of the shit he says is so dubious that it's often not worth considering. The real bulk of mythological knowledge comes from the codex regius manuscript, whose author is anonymous.
>They didn’t really erase shit
Uh huh. Can you name any substantive authentic slavic pagan myths? Can you name any german ones besides nibelungenlied? How about some english ones with no major christian revisionism/ syncretism?
>whose author is anonymous
ie, a monk, the only people who were writing in the period
>a christian monk spent his time travelling around scandinavia ingratiating himself to pagan enclaves so they would share their extensive oral tradition with him so that he could preserve the stories of demons (in his mind) and the deeds of their worshippers
yeah, sorry, but that sounds like total bullshit.
I mean this is literally how the kalevala was compiled, the author even inserted some christian motifs into it. So yeah, this did happen, and again, the clergy, especially in the period you are talking about, were the literate class with access to the vellum and scriptoriums needed to make these kinds of documents. Your entire argument relies on the assumption that a monk wouldn’t do this, based on what you think about monks. But they did do it, you already mentioned the ring cycle which was 100% compiled and recorded in a monastery
>you already mentioned the ring cycle which was 100% compiled and recorded in a monastery
Well of course christians would like the volsungs material, the story of Sigurth particularly, because it makes Odin look like a humungous c**t. Besides giving advice on how to fight fafnir, Odin is basically the antagonist of Sigruth's story.
>name myths from people who refused to record and write down their myths
How?
>christian revisionism
If you mean beowulf, this has long since been dropped by academics. The poem andreas was composed quite early and quotes the christian parts of beowulf, so they were undoubtedly there before it was ever written down, at composition stage.
>How?
pagans were very good at preserving their myths over vast amounts of time, provided you don't kill and/or forcibly convert them.
The poem Volundarkvitha in the codex regius was 700 years old when it was recorded, and the poem Grimnismal was 500 years old when it was recorded.
Also that odin bracteate that was discovered recently bearing the inscription "he was Odin's man" indicates that the character of Odin as being connected to royalty, war, and death is at least as old as the 5th century AD.
>pagans were very good at preserving their myths
>except we don’t have any of them
???
also
>The vocabulary and some of the formulaic phrasing of the poem is clearly influenced by West Germanic, with the strongest case being for influence specifically from Old English (a West Germanic dialect). It is thought likely, therefore, that Vǫlundarkviða was composed in, or otherwise influenced by traditions from, the Norse diaspora in England. This would suggest origins around the tenth or eleventh century.[2][3] This fits in turn with the fact that most of the analogues to Vǫlundarkviða are West-Germanic in origin.
Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
we don’t have any of them
>???
yes, because there aren't any more pagans. That's why I included the conditional clause
>provided you don't kill and/or forcibly convert them.
speed reader-kun.
>Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
There is coinage depicting the titular Weyland dating back to the 6th century, and an anglo-saxon artefact (Frank's casket) from the early 8th century which depicts one of the scenes from the poem. So Volundarkvitha was at least 500 years old when written, potentially being even older than that if you accept linguistic evidence.
>Where are you getting the idea this was composed in the third century from? What?
oh wait, same anon, I just noticed part of the issue here. The codex regius was compiled in the 13th century. Not the 11th century. Something from the 500s would be 700 years old in the 13th century.
As a Christian, I don't consider the modern pagan revival as legitimate nor connected to anything cultural or spiritual. It's a waste of time considering the secular world after the Enlightenment is pagan. People just don't realise it, but if you look into the French revolution, you'll notice they started creating pagan cults and literally placed their statues within churches to be worshipped. The two big ones were the Cult of the Supreme Being and the Cult of Reason. Nothing has changed since then. We just replaced those with modern corporations in various industries, and millions of human sacrifices are still performed in the form of abortions.
Also, Christians perceive the pagan idols as demons who have deceived their worshippers. They also don't believe in race or blood worship. There can be no reconciliation between the two.
Most commemorated anniversaries have no religious core and are as atheist as they are christian.
anniversaries aren’t really that big of a deal. they’re usually more personal than communal anyway, like wedding anniversaries or whatever
black history month
gay priDEMONth
holocaust remembrance
All of those are essentially elements of the secular religion that is american liberalism.
Holocaust shit especially, they treat people who question that dogma as fricking heretics in all but name.
yeah atheists
Liberal humanism is atheistic but still has essentially irrational, pseudo religious dogmas that cannot be questioned, many of those dogmas being just secularized elements of Christianity. I
>LoveGod
>Love your neighbor as yourself.
>Forgive others who have wronged you.
>Love your enemies.
>Ask God for forgiveness of your sins.
>Jesus is the Messiah and was given the authority to forgive others.
>Repentance of sins is essential.
>Don’t be hypocritical.
>Don’t judge others.
>The Kingdom of God is near. It’s not the rich and powerful—but the weak and poor—who will inherit this kingdom.
These are the teachings of Christ as written in the Bible.
If you do not follow these teachings in your everyday life you are not a Christian.
If you cherrypick parts of the old testament to undermine these teachings you are not a Christian and are guilty of vanity.
teachings of Christ take presidence over all other types of knowledge.
"....One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Mark 12.28
Yule, you mean.
Muumit eat conifer needles and go to winter rest
They have Christmas in legend of zelda too
Yeah because it's a Scandinavian show right and they have crosses on their flags and have been Christian since like 1200 AD so yeah Moomins have Jesus. Christ is king.
Nowhere in the moomins is jesus ever mentioned and Tove Janson was a bordeline commie lesbian fennoswede, that most likely didn't have any strong religious beliefs.
Fennoswedes are more Christian than Finns
Depends entirely on what category of fennoswede you are talking about. The osterbothnians are bunch of fundies yeah, but Tove wasn't one of them, she belonged to the affulent southern coastal fennoswedes, born and died in Helsinki, and they are secular as frick.
Fennoswedes aren't a monolith, the category of fennoswede from which Tove descend essentially were the ruling class of Finland back in the day whereas the bumfrick potato farmers of osterbothnia differed from regular finns just by language, nothing else really.
Jews like to spread paganism because they are satanists and it’s a win for them if they trick people into following this stuff
God is omnipresent. That means he exists in every universe
Any religious person, pagan or christian, needs to be killed asap. Your reactionary moronation holds society back. It’s all a load of bullshit stories from feudal hut dwellers
There is no such thing as ""Christmas"".
>decorated tree
never happened on yule historically
>reindeer
didn’t become part of the christmas mythos until early modernity
>pinecone
it’s a pinecone
yule and christmas have mixed
If there is a God, it's definitely not one from any human religion. Christianity and Islam are really just historical Judaism paganism being outwardly projected, and it's gone too far. People cannot let go because of sunk cost.
Religious people will ignore reality and even lie to themselves and others in order to maintain and spread their false world view.
>mfw pastor at the confirmation school or whatever you call that shit in english argued to me with a straight face that Christianity is the oldest religion in the world, and how it precedes Hinduism etc
One of the chief reasons I grew to dislike religious people is their duplicitious nature and the way they treat people they are trying to sway into their cults in all kinds of manipulative ways, and seemingly pretending that the people they are trying to manipulate are fricking idiots that can't see trough their antics.
You don’t believe in the first man or antediluvian times?
I am not religious m8.
I do not believe that there has ever been some sort of world wide biblical flooding, if that is what you are asking. The flood myths most likely originate from the times when the last ice age began to end and the melting glaciers caused rapid rise in the sea levels, which were probably rather disastrous for the early human communities living near such areas, and thus inspired such flood myths.
I am not sure what you even mean by "first man". If you mean shit like adam and eve, no I do not believe in that sort of bs. I think that we evolved from earlier hominids and that for at ime there were multiple human species on this planet, which we eventually outcompeted and in some cases interbred with. For example, Eurasian peoples have some amounts of neanderthal dna, because our ancestors intermixed with the neanderthals to some degree.
Moominmamma SEXO
I'd hibernate with Moominmamma
Be careful anon, she goes into a feeding frenzy during the winter...
More to cuddle 😉
Can't have a comfy thread without christisraelites getting aggressive when they realize their shitskin sand religion just stole everything from the pagans
>i’m le pagan
just wait until you learn about how the israelites stole half their myths from the egyptians
you think Moses was an original character? Please
i love moomin
why are larpagans so fragile? is that why they lost every time and got conquered?
talk about a sore winner
thanks for proving me right lmao
you ever win so hard you feel the need to spend the next 2,000 years sucking your own penis about it?
this guy has, apparently.
Jesus was born in June. Cope incel
What even is Moomin? I've seen people talk about it and have seen tiny clips of it but still have no idea what it is. From what I understand there is a guy who is friends with a little white cow thing but that picture features more than one of the little white cows, is it a Smurf situation where they all look the same and live in a town together? Is Moomin the guys name?
I love her.
We worship Yulegoat at Yule
Unlike Jeesus his existence is proven by his yearly appearance on television
For me, it's Too-ticki
The episode where Moomintroll wakes up during hibernation is probably my favourite
Jesus Exists. You seem to have not realised this. You should say hello. to Him.