If they have pretty good benefits package why force people to sign up?
I was forced to be a union worker for a few months for a retail job and the company was cutting everyone's hours unless they were full time. (Only five people in the building were full time.)
The union rep said as long she got paid, she didn't care. (She was one of the full time workers).
If you pay union dues when the union isn't even guaranteeing you a living wage, then you're an idiot. Right to work states exist.
No shit.
Literally anyone who wants to become an actor has to join SAG. That includes all half of LA, from the waiters to the bus drivers, basically everyone who moved down to Los Angeles hoping to make it as an actor.
If you pay union dues when the union isn't even guaranteeing you a living wage, then you're an idiot. Right to work states exist.
Apparently it's expensive to get in. Can cost thousands of dollars.
And people don't join with the hopes of earning a living wage, they join with the hopes of getting wealthy.
Landing a regular role on a TV show that went on for a decade meant you were gonna be a millionaire. Few years of steady work and you can be set for life. Residuals keep rolling in, you got yourself a real world job
They get a pretty good benefits package, actually. It’s the only conceivable reason to actually join.
Was in a union. Company had my pay fricked for 18 months. Owed at least $10k . Went to union because rulebook, in plain english had conoany jn the wrong. Union steward tells me to not push the topic. Force him to start a grievance. Weeks go by with no status update, have to do all the legwork. Union informs me of a compromise that would net me like $500, tell them frick no and to continue with arbitration. Union takes compromise against my wishes
I work in a union shop now and it is frustratingly hard to get rid of incompetents and trouble-makers, per union rules. Most of them you could give the heave-ho on the first incident if the workplace was right to work.
> IM GOING TO USE THE SAME ANTI UNION TALKING POINTS CREATED BY THE FAR RIGHT REPEATEDLY BECAUSE IT MAKES ME LOOK SMART
Man chuds are so predictable with their talking points
It's not a talking point, it's a fact created by sloppy union rules designed to reinforce mediocrity. Act like a child all you want, but it won't change anything.
No it’s been the same talking point the far right has used since the 80s. Billionaires are really good at funding anti labor talking points to get dumbass chuds repeating the same talking points over and over
11 months ago
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At the end of the day, they play pretend. Grow up. Provide some real function for society, and then I'll listen to you complain.
11 months ago
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Nah. Union workers are pretty good at deluding themselves into thinking they're something special. Most of you couldn't hack it in a non-union shop without your brothers and sisters backing up your sloppy work and crappy attitudes.
11 months ago
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Unions just make the workplace more fair. And the added benefit of it alot harder getting laid off
11 months ago
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>funding anti labor talking points
what does this mean
11 months ago
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>funding anti labor talking points >what does this mean
For example being anti-open borders advocates. He have to keep the borders open to own the chudpitalists!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most billionaires are commie homosexuals that support your gay bull shit
If they didn’t you would be running wild pissing and shitting everywhere
while we are talking about old dusty talking points
11 months ago
Anonymous
Trumphomosexuals vote against their own economic interests, red states are poorer than blue states. Full stop
11 months ago
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>blue states are money laundering paradises for muh elites
Shocking. Enjoy your strike.
11 months ago
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Blue states create all the nations wealth , red states are parasites who leach off of blue state’s prosperity . Enjoy your forever flyover irrelevance
11 months ago
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>Blue states create all the nations wealth
Why do actors demand living wage then? Sounds like blue states are unlivable.
If you have a genuine incompetent or trouble-maker, it takes about three months to document their frick-ups and enough progressive discipline to get rid of them. You're just a lazy boss who thinks anyone who makes a mistake doesn't deserve to work.
Three months is too fricking long to put up with a troublemaker. They are poison to any work environment, that shit spreads.
Mistakes can be forgiven, everyone makes them - and that's how we learn. But there are burnouts and screw-ups that just can't be fixed. When you got a guy on a job and weeks and months go by and he's constantly bringing up the rear in production and never shows any improvement, he's gotta go. There's no reason I should have to pay for their constant wiener-ups, especially when an idiot is costing you more money than you make off them. If the union was really interested in a slug like that, they would get them help.
>Most of them you could give the heave-ho on the first incident
And thats why unions need to be a thing. Where I live the law is 3 strikes- 2 warnings. First warning can be vocal, 2nd one has to be in a written form, 3rd time repeating the mistake you can fire the dude. Happiest country on Earth 6th time in a row now, not purely thanks to unions but they definitely played a role.
Ironically unions and worker rights here were made strong to prevent another Whites vs Reds commie civil war. We managed to purge the commie stain from our country but had to make systemic changes to make sure the uprising never happened again. So by the time of WW2 the Soviet propaganda didn't work anymore. Any burger trying to argue unions are "muh socialism" or "muh communism" are full of shit.
yeah, but those unions are different - they negotiate on part of day laborers who make up huge slices of society, like construction workers or bus drivers, who usually produce a homogenous labor output (1 bus driver can replace the other). Making sure that they earn a good wage and work in good conditions is for the benefit of society at large.
Writers are a very elite profession with supply outstripping the demand by far, and huge quality differences between individuals. In books for example, if you can produce a novel that most people are willing to read, and kind of enjoy, you are part of the 0.1%, and not even in throwing distance of the literary greats.
I fail to see why unions are a good solution here. Additionally, what I don't get is why Hollywood has its shows written by literal committees - creative work is an individualistic endeavor.
>what I don't get is why Hollywood has its shows written by literal committees - creative work is an individualistic endeavor.
You have 1-3 idea guys (most of the times based and educated men) and 8-15 other writers who are either minorities themselves (for ESG score) or solely exist to implement minorities and woke shit into the actual story that the core guys wrote. That's how you end up with stunning and brave kweens as medieval royalty and transgender elves in wheelchairs.
I want to give some of my people raises and shit but their moron union prevents it. They do frick all for the employees too, lol. Like $150 a year out of their chdck for nothing.
I'm not anti union
They serve a purpose in large assembly plants
That should be it
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It should be there tonkeepnthe manual labor idiots happy
Union people are just in it for themselves
It's been that way from the start
My neighbor just retired and he told me in the months before he retired he didn't tell anybody he worked with he was leaving
What a brotherhood right
Then his last day he just basically fricked everyone who had to cover for him
Union bosses are corrupt thieves
Union rank and file are useful idiots
<<t.parents were high ranking union bosses in the 80's and 90s
this is the problem with those people, they are artists and like a lot of artistic jobs, it works on commission. If they make only 26k it just means that they aren't working 40h/5days a week, but they just get 4-5 roles a year in some minor parts. They are pretending to make an occasional work like a fulltime work even if clearly they aren't enough talented to do so, and the industry doesn't require so many of them. And 14% making more than 26k is incredible compared to other arts, how many musicians make that much? 95% of them probably makes 5$ selling some song online and anther 300$ from some live gigs. How many illustrators make more than that? Maybe 2%, most make like 300$ by selling some scat commissions in a year. Is like those people pretending to be paid like sakimichan.
In this case, how are they alive at all? Also this because the internet has fooled too many people into thinking they can live off entertainment and a limit has been reached.
Why don't they just ask agree to 1% of the box office profit? Or even half a percent?
If the film makes $200 million on a $100 million budget, that's $500,000. They could go even lower than that and still make a ton if money. And it motivated them to write food stories that will earn a lot while not making bloated cgi messes. Why not do that instead of asking for a fixed income?
That doesn't work, because Hollywood is pretty good at moving money around specifically to screw contracts like these.
For example the Harry Potter movies, "technically" lost money so they don't actually have to give the actors their cuts
Then where does Wikipedia get their figures from? Can't it just be calculated that way? You could always do first dollar gross, but that would reward writing mega budget flops like dial of destiny
It could. But it never will, because in order for ANY of that to happen, Hollywood would have to open up their books, on public record, and show where money goes and how to prove that payment is done and possible.
They will never do that, because if they do then it is in the public sphere, the IRS will be able to come after them (which the DNP don't want, shit the GOP don't want it either), and California's economy will crater (more than it already does), damaging its usability in elections, and precipitating a massive economic fallout because Hollywood's house of cards built on sand is a 200-300 billion dollar industry. And it got to this point because the can kept being kicked down the road, more and more money was shifted around, and now that the can has hit the gravel trap at the end they can't afford to change it because it precipitates a death spiral.
>it could happen but it won't because the bad guys don't want it to >that would make all the difference but instead I'm going to strike for a raise
Stupid Black folk, jesus.
Anthony Daniels negotiated a 1% of profits from the star wars prequels. He never got paid a penny because technically the films never made a profit. Hollywood accounting will be used to frick them over with the blessing of the california legislature.
Better solution is for the actually higher paid actors to forego some of their salary and pay extras and other actors more out of their huge share.
Here's a classic example where a Harry Potter movie earned a billion dollars in revenue apparently lost the studio 167 million. Most contracts stipulate that the actor can begin receiving a part of the profits after the break-even point. Hollywood studios are able to cook the books in a way that makes it seem that movies never break even, primarily by moving money that *should* count towards the break-even point into a separate category. Thus expenses always appear to outweigh profit.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's lawyers famously avoided that on Terminator 3 by having the contract create its own definition of the break even point constituting "100% home video royalty". Most of the time studios will only count a far lower percentage of home video sales towards the break-even point (like, 15%).
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/ASContract.htm
No one else in the movie had a contract like this and they got nothing in royalties because, per the studio's own definition of the break even point, the movie never turned a profit. Only A++ listers like Arnold have the negotiating power to get their fair share of royalties.
Literally everyone. Basing anything on "profit" is moronic, big fishes will always cook the books, usually to avoid taxes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
ignore him. according to /misc/ a israelite is
a) anyone actually israeli
b) anyone who is business-savy or just successful (unless another chud)
c) anyone /misc/ just doesn't like
>defined gross >specific lists of where the money is coming in from >expenses section >summarized list, but still gives some insight to where the money goes >investment and other >uhhh negative cost and interest on...something. that'll be 373m, plus tip >oh look at that our 208m taxable profit is now a 167m untaxable loss
fricking hilarious
>Better solution is for the actually higher paid actors to forego some of their salary and pay extras and other actors more out of their huge share.
You mean, they gotta put their politics where their mouth is? Good luck getting, for example, Jessica Chastain to pay up. I can see why George Clooney doesn't act anymore.
>Want to be an NBA player even though I'm white and 5'8" and I suck at basketball >Parents tell me they love me and they'd always come to my games but that I should study and pick a profitable career in case my dreams of an NBA championship don't pan out >Don't listen to them because of my ego and delusion >Frick you mom and dad I'll make it as a pro basketball player you'll see >Don't get drafted into the NBA because I'm not very good >Get mad and insist that the NBA is unfair to me >Desperately try to convince the NBA athletes to go on strike with me and forfeit their multimillion-dollar contracts because I don't earn enough money to feed my kids playing pickup basketball at the YMCA >Parents have to support me because I refuse to get a real job
>even though I'm white
why did you have to include that in your shit analogy you Black person, especially when the current best player in the NBA is a white euro
Why not? The NBA is pretty racist, as are the nogs that cover it and play in it. Jokic barely got covered until he forced them to, and still got screwed out of MVP this year.
>“Larry Bird is a very, very good basketball player,” the guard said. ”But if he was black he'd be just another guy.”
Keep spending your time supporting adults who play pretend, and not people that actually make the world go round. Sounds like a smart use of your time.
Why don't they find an actual job? >i write scripts teaching chuds about their white privilege, why don't i make enough money to live in Beverly Hills?
I did pay up. I put my part of the billions of dollar that capeshit, sci fi, and fantasy were earning for your industry.
Then you woked the shit out of them to punish me for liking them before you woked the shit out of them.
And THEN you called me names for having a problem with that.
So you want to negotiate with me, let's start with an apology and some guarantee for how you're going to be behaving better in the future.
>I put my part of the billions of dollar that capeshit, sci fi, and fantasy were earning for your industry. >Then you woked the shit out of them to punish me for liking them before you woked the shit out of them.
None of that dogshit was profitable before normies got ahold of it, homosexual
>b-but muh Star Wars
on cereal boxes and shampoo bottles since the 80's
>A small minority of gay members earn millions and millions of dollars >in general the gay members believe in communism >Yet the millionaire few do not donate their money to a general pool of funds for the rest of the gay members
it has gotten to a point where i rather support the companies than the leftist homosexuals they employ. i expect they'll now fire all these homosexuals and replace them with based writers and actors. if not, then i don't care either, they all lose either way.
>i expect they'll now fire all these homosexuals and replace them with based writers and actors
because this is a thing that happens outside your imagination
> Sara Sevigny, who has been a SAG-AFTRA actor since 2016 and has worked on Max’s South Side and a Hulu series, made $8,000 in residuals which allowed her to qualify for health insurance in 2022, but this year her total residuals dropped to $1,600. “It’s bananas that we’re constantly having to hustle to get jobs as it is,” Sevigny says.
"Why do I have to keep working? Why can't I retire and live the rest of my life off residuals? Wahhhhh!"
The safest part to me is I would happily submit the screenplay I'm writing right now for free. I know it won't happen in doing it for my own amusement as an exercise, but only because I really have faith in the quality of what I'm writing and just want to see it get made. But these untalented overeducated frickeits get picked for diversity checkboxes and sniffing the right asses. It's not fair bros
>fricking studios they print money they make billions and leave scraps to us there's eanough money for everyone! >what do you mean why won't we pool and invest ourselves if it's so easy?
some actors get rich enough to have their own production companies, which they hire a business type to operate so the whole thing doesn't go up in flames while they do cocaine
United Artists was formed 104 years ago with three actors as it's founders. Lasted until 2019. The idea for the venture originated with Fairbanks, Chaplin, Pickford and cowboy star William S. Hart a year earlier. Already Hollywood veterans, the four stars talked of forming their own company to better control their own work.
1. Part time/gig economy. They are employed for 3 months of the year and make a shit load of money for those 3 months. It's up to them to fill the other 9 months. If you choose to just take on one project then you're a moron.
2. There is no point 2. They are fricking idiots who think 3 months work should equal 12 months work.
It's harder to churn out good stuff when you have no time to ponder and have to put out content.
Exceptions to the rule. As a rule, the average quality has dropped hard. You think because there's a few good shows that every writer should be paid the big bucks? If so you're kind of stupid.
>Exceptions to the rule. As a rule, the average quality has dropped hard. You think because there's a few good shows that every writer should be paid the big bucks? If so you're kind of stupid.
You say that because you don't want to be a writer or because you're successful in writing?
Ballpark, if you can afford it, give them 1,000 a week for life. They could live off of it if they know how to budget. Most you'd have to pay them for the lifetime is 2 mil to 4 mil+. You can cut down the amount of writers you have to pay if it comes down to it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who's paying that? And for what? Under what circumstances do they get that? Do they become defacto employees of the studio?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Who's paying that?
Well, I was going to say you can go into The Nobody's account and take how much you need and then some. But no one believes in The Nobody. Or that "he" has unlimited money. Good travels if you want to make it hard on yourself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you can't argue like an adult with an adult then you probably shouldn't be surprised when no one is taking on your stupid talking points.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Ask question >Get sarcastic response
Which TV show did you write an episode for
You're making a series of stupid points here and I'm struggling to grasp what you're advocating for. Is it that writers should be employed year round regardless of output? Make your point clearer
If you can't argue like an adult with an adult then you probably shouldn't be surprised when no one is taking on your stupid talking points.
It's not an argument, I'm trying to put forth a solution. If you don't believe me or in me, fine, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you're someone who can make things happen then you would know about me.
>Ask question >Get sarcastic response
Which TV show did you write an episode for
None of them.
11 months ago
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>I'm trying to put forth a solution
It's not a solution, it's a broad statement not based on reality. Money doesn't come from nowhere and not a single studio is going to bankroll a writer's yearly salary for 2-3 months of work a year. It's a stupid point and you should feel stupid for being so incredibly naive.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not a solution
It is a solution. Who are you? We could talk this out if you were a Bohemian. Money is made up, bro, hence why I have unlimited money in store for these occasions. Ask around, you'll either get someone who thinks you're crazy or get the ear of someone who matters. It's a gamble, but it's The Truth. You don't know what reality is, bro, your take on it isn't going to change anything going forward.
>Answers questions with questions >"I'm just an idea guy"
Nice larp. Subtle.
Nah, I'm writing something.
I don't care who you are but based on your responses so far you're probably a child who doesn't understand how money is made.
>Muh Economics
Bro, you have no idea where you even are, do you?
11 months ago
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>Answers questions with questions >"I'm just an idea guy"
Nice larp. Subtle.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Answers questions with questions
Also, I know it's against The Way to do that, Idk why you people are so fixated on certain parts of The Way but not the ones that "matter"
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care who you are but based on your responses so far you're probably a child who doesn't understand how money is made.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you’re replying to a schitzo
11 months ago
Anonymous
Call me crazy, at least you're callin'
11 months ago
Anonymous
if you think that 4k a month to a person with no skill and for doing nothing then you are out of your mind and don't know how money works, nor do you know how much your average skilled person earns outside of asking your daddy some bucks when you need money. kys
11 months ago
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>if you think that 4k a month to a person with no skill and for doing nothing then you are out of your mind and don't know how money works, nor do you know how much your average skilled person earns outside of asking your daddy some bucks when you need money. kys
You're saying this as someone with talent or someone who doesn't want to join SAG?
Exceptions to the rule. As a rule, the average quality has dropped hard. You think because there's a few good shows that every writer should be paid the big bucks? If so you're kind of stupid.
You know its funny usually Union protests end with the Union not getting anything close to what they want but they get a moronic symbolic victory they parade around but this union can't afford to take that and has to go all in
1000 a week for the term of contract would be less than what they're getting now when you factor in most writing gigs are between 8-12 weeks. They are employed to fill a purpose (write a movie, write a season, etc).
This for most it’s a part time contract gig
Studios my have some writers on staff but they don’t have to honestly I don’t think that’s been a thing for years
This whole writers strike thing is giving me similar vibes to the "salary gap" between men and women. It looks bad on first glance but then you look at it and realise that women are working less than men, so they earn less per year. Writers work a few months a year but factor it up yearly and they make a good bit of money. They need to work more.
How much do they get? I wanna see a breakdown of working weeks to salary.
Especially for those not making a living a wage. Just how many weeks are they working.
>According to Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDb & Various Online resources, famous Non-Fiction Author Kris Carr’s net worth is $1-5 Million at the age of 47 years old.
>According to Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDb & Various Online resources, famous Non-Fiction Author Kris Carr’s net worth is $1-5 Million at the age of 47 years old.
Also she has 7 roles in a 4 year period. Two of them are shorts and one is a single episode on Law and Order, one isn't even english.
>Also she has 7 roles in a 4 year period
She also has classes and works on an Internet show so there's that. If she made a budgeted living wage off that then Idk what to tell her.
I'm just going by IMDB, she seemed to start acting in 1998 and stop in 2002.
Of the English movies: >The Hidden (aka Five Years)
Doesn't even have a wikipedia page. >Queenie in Love (doesn't seem to be a main character)
Doesn't even have a wikipedia page. >Idol Hands
Budget $25m, box office $4.2m
>doesn't mention that those low earning morons also work like 2 weeks a year
Literally get a job you Black folk.
Able bodied adults crying for gibs and those will be in the end paid for by tax payers, corpo->gov->tax payers.
They're fricking morons. They're not working a regular job, all actors are freelancers, if they don't get a job they don't get paid. Simple as. Do they want to get fricking paid to do nothing? Even Brad Pitt had to wait tables and shit before he made it. If you haven't made it after a few years then get another job and act on the side. If you think you should be paid like a regular job for doing one commercial every 6 months then you're insane. How can you even defend this shit? These lazy, untalented, worthless maggots want to be millionaires because they think they're "artists" and that working regular jobs is beneath them.
Ok s we can all readily admit that the strikes have shown us that even if you are in the writer’s and actor’s unions you are still LARPing as a Hollywood star or screenwriter and your parents are now totally in the right to call you a no good bum with no job, right?
Aren’t most actors background extras who are basically doing gig work between real jobs? No other artist feels so entitled to steady pay for their passion. Can you imagine a musician’s guild protesting outside a bar because they only get 50 bucks and free beer for a set?
>When I get acquitted, people are gonna look at me and say, "Good going, F.A.G. You showed how fair the American Justice system is, didn't ya, F.A.G.?"
>Woman represent like 5% of all the greatest books ever published.
That's the thing, though. Their cope is to say that's because they were never allowed into "the boy's club" of writing back then. But now that they are, look at what they've accomplished (nothing).
Not really. The highest selling authors of all time are women. Should be noted two write romance trash and one kids books. The problem is hollywoods insistence on putting female writers on male projects
I was a Kiernan Shipka's on set assistant for two days and I never saw her poop once - problem is she spent all day snacking in catering, eating finger foods??
just Kiki things
seen her at a million tables full of food
never seen her eat anything
NOTE: cocaine is a hunger suppressant and backs your literal shit up
What’s funny is you have dipshits like Meryl Streep and Robert Downey Jr striking, when it’s their ridiculous bloated pay that has caused budgets to skyrocket out of hand and make the production cut costs elsewhere. It’s baffling watching people who have heavily benefited from a system oppose it. If you really cared, you would take a fraction of your pay.
Here's a classic example where a Harry Potter movie earned a billion dollars in revenue apparently lost the studio 167 million. Most contracts stipulate that the actor can begin receiving a part of the profits after the break-even point. Hollywood studios are able to cook the books in a way that makes it seem that movies never break even, primarily by moving money that *should* count towards the break-even point into a separate category. Thus expenses always appear to outweigh profit.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's lawyers famously avoided that on Terminator 3 by having the contract create its own definition of the break even point constituting "100% home video royalty". Most of the time studios will only count a far lower percentage of home video sales towards the break-even point (like, 15%).
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/ASContract.htm
No one else in the movie had a contract like this and they got nothing in royalties because, per the studio's own definition of the break even point, the movie never turned a profit. Only A++ listers like Arnold have the negotiating power to get their fair share of royalties.
where Arnold manages to get their real share of royalties, all it does is suck money away from literally everyone else's pot of backend cash. Streep and RDJ are so powerful that I'm sure they have similar contracts which have realistic definitions of breakeven, and while its a nice payday for them, it screws over every other person in production who is slated to get a share of the profits. Aside from executives they are among the biggest winners in the system.
>Aside from executives they are among the biggest winners in the system.
I don't see a problem, RDJ and Streep (well, only Streep) are box office draws.
Nobody from the new crop of actors are movie draws, no matter how many times some cucks posts Shitka Tier One in here.
Established actors are often the only thing a movie has going for them.
they have to mix in with the unwashed masses so nobody starts saying what you wrote and eventually their anger might switch to them instead. That's why Mark Rufalo put on this homeless outfit and stood there with a paperboard sign to appear like one of them instead of being the guy who gets paid eight figures to show his head out of an ironman suit for 20 minutes.
I'm not even exaggerating when I say that this is literally the most dysgenic group of people that I have ever seen. This picture makes Brazil look like early 20th century Paris. I want somebody, anybody, to look at this picture and explain to me in detail how exactly thos is "our strength"?
Can't they just have another job between acting jobs or live on welfare?
I mean that's what seasonal workers usually do or they just go to thailand or somewhere during winter for cheap living.
I did few years of some river stuff, which you couldn't do during winter. Worked 6 months a year and slacked off rest with unemployment money. Was kinda nice to have long break to get batteries charged so to speak
>living wage
They make like six figures, which is still decent living in SoCal. Plus any "I only make $x dollars" whining doesn't factor in residuals and benefits.
Why would they? Most actors are playing bit roles, sometimes without any lines. Of course, they're not going to get paid big bucks for such an unimportant role.
>bro why do 86% of actors in SAG who only get non speaking extra roles make so little money? >why dont they have 1,000 protagonists per show/movie?
are these people moronic?
I just find it surreal that the shills actually think Cinemaphile of all places would be sympathetic to the strike. I swear there are these moronic cheerleaders in every thread.
i find it fascinating that they don't realize that we're perfectly fine with both the strikers and the studios making less money instead of taking one side or the other
Remember when drama series only had two main characters and them and the story were the only focus, instead of having to wade through dozens of stupid plots and subplots for each of the dozen ensemble cast each season?
>dogshit wages >only nepo babies can afford to do it for a living >rich kids writing is shit >tv: we need even lower wages and more rich kids writing! Surely the writing will improve
>KILL WHITE PEOPLE, WE WILL FRICK YOUR KIDS >noooooooo you can’t just not watch our slop and let us starve!
Watch me. It will be much more interesting than any show you’ve written.
>a writers room >over zoom
Sounds like a recipe for slow work and churning out crud. On the other hand you'd probably get better writers from people not stupid enough to want to move to Los Angeles.
Do you really need a "writer's room" to come up with 12 fifty-minute scripts every two years? A single writer used to be able to pump out massive 800 page tomes once a year, while writing essays and short stories on the side.
said writer didn't have stunning and brave transgender people of color in his stories, did he? your chudcore has no place in this future, the force is female and that's a good thing and I thank god everyday that she made it possible for fellow sisters and poc to attend modern writers rooms to churn out more representation and inclusivity. Black Lives MAtter!
Hey you fricking wienersuckers! Reminder that this is how it fricking should be! Wil Wheaton was making so much money off of his residuals as the lowest paid regular on ST:TNG it kept him afloat for 20 fricking years so he could rebuild his career after his parents stole all his childhood actor money!
https://wilwheaton.net/2023/07/if-not-now-when/
>My parents forced me to be a child actor, and stole nearly all of my salary from my entire childhood. My Star Trek residuals were not much, but they were all I had, and they kept me afloat for two decades while I rebuilt my life. I have healthcare and a pension because of my union. The AMPTP billionaires want to take all that security away so they can give CEOs even more grotesque wealth at the expense of the people who make our industry run.
>"Hello peasants, we've just come from our luxury apartments to join you for two hours of picketing. Then we will be driven home in our Teslas to eat our five course lunches."
>don't make a living wage >still alive >can survive while not working for weeks in a strike
hmm yeah no I'm calling bs
they just want a thicker slice of the pie
Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless.
>Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless.
Based
>majority of "actors" are just hired as background extras without any lines >WOAH 86% OF ACTORS MAKE LESS THAN XXX BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF ROLES WITH LINES ARE VERY LIMITED COMPARED TO HOW MANY moronS AUDITION FOR THEM
That's the point, we do pay, a lot more now everything's streaming, but the studios are intent of giving us woke trash written by idiots with some useless Gender Studies degree.
That’s a lot of liberals accomplishing nothing demanding a handout from me. Maybe they could learn to code? The military has a recruitment problem right now.
>Have to join a union
>Still don't get bennies
Starting to understand how Trump flipped the rust belt after 72 years of solid blue.
They get a pretty good benefits package, actually. It’s the only conceivable reason to actually join.
yeah if you're the 14%
If they have pretty good benefits package why force people to sign up?
I was forced to be a union worker for a few months for a retail job and the company was cutting everyone's hours unless they were full time. (Only five people in the building were full time.)
The union rep said as long she got paid, she didn't care. (She was one of the full time workers).
No shit.
Literally anyone who wants to become an actor has to join SAG. That includes all half of LA, from the waiters to the bus drivers, basically everyone who moved down to Los Angeles hoping to make it as an actor.
Sounds like a protection racket.
yeah, it's a union
Apparently it's expensive to get in. Can cost thousands of dollars.
And people don't join with the hopes of earning a living wage, they join with the hopes of getting wealthy.
Landing a regular role on a TV show that went on for a decade meant you were gonna be a millionaire. Few years of steady work and you can be set for life. Residuals keep rolling in, you got yourself a real world job
Was in a union. Company had my pay fricked for 18 months. Owed at least $10k . Went to union because rulebook, in plain english had conoany jn the wrong. Union steward tells me to not push the topic. Force him to start a grievance. Weeks go by with no status update, have to do all the legwork. Union informs me of a compromise that would net me like $500, tell them frick no and to continue with arbitration. Union takes compromise against my wishes
FRICK IBEW
>I managed to make this about based orange man!!!
Hillary lost
You are here
No I'm not.
If you pay union dues when the union isn't even guaranteeing you a living wage, then you're an idiot. Right to work states exist.
Right to work just means you can be fired without cause it has nothing to do with unions or benefits
I work in a union shop now and it is frustratingly hard to get rid of incompetents and trouble-makers, per union rules. Most of them you could give the heave-ho on the first incident if the workplace was right to work.
> IM GOING TO USE THE SAME ANTI UNION TALKING POINTS CREATED BY THE FAR RIGHT REPEATEDLY BECAUSE IT MAKES ME LOOK SMART
Man chuds are so predictable with their talking points
You're going to to starve to death lol
Can you live only on boot polish?
Seething.
This homie is the pimp facilitating the hatefrick session between Ron DeSantis and Larry Fink
>Can you live only on boot polish?
I don't know, why don't we ask the unions lmaoooooo kys communist Black person
Joe Katana has my back
I would advise not to get molested by him
Give me liberty, or give me death!
He'll starve to death if he's in a "right to work" state paying him 40 cents an hour + the christmas bonus of being told he's owning the libs
It's not a talking point, it's a fact created by sloppy union rules designed to reinforce mediocrity. Act like a child all you want, but it won't change anything.
No it’s been the same talking point the far right has used since the 80s. Billionaires are really good at funding anti labor talking points to get dumbass chuds repeating the same talking points over and over
At the end of the day, they play pretend. Grow up. Provide some real function for society, and then I'll listen to you complain.
Nah. Union workers are pretty good at deluding themselves into thinking they're something special. Most of you couldn't hack it in a non-union shop without your brothers and sisters backing up your sloppy work and crappy attitudes.
Unions just make the workplace more fair. And the added benefit of it alot harder getting laid off
>funding anti labor talking points
what does this mean
>funding anti labor talking points
>what does this mean
For example being anti-open borders advocates. He have to keep the borders open to own the chudpitalists!
Most billionaires are commie homosexuals that support your gay bull shit
If they didn’t you would be running wild pissing and shitting everywhere
while we are talking about old dusty talking points
Trumphomosexuals vote against their own economic interests, red states are poorer than blue states. Full stop
>blue states are money laundering paradises for muh elites
Shocking. Enjoy your strike.
Blue states create all the nations wealth , red states are parasites who leach off of blue state’s prosperity . Enjoy your forever flyover irrelevance
>Blue states create all the nations wealth
Why do actors demand living wage then? Sounds like blue states are unlivable.
Gibberish
If you have a genuine incompetent or trouble-maker, it takes about three months to document their frick-ups and enough progressive discipline to get rid of them. You're just a lazy boss who thinks anyone who makes a mistake doesn't deserve to work.
Three months is too fricking long to put up with a troublemaker. They are poison to any work environment, that shit spreads.
Mistakes can be forgiven, everyone makes them - and that's how we learn. But there are burnouts and screw-ups that just can't be fixed. When you got a guy on a job and weeks and months go by and he's constantly bringing up the rear in production and never shows any improvement, he's gotta go. There's no reason I should have to pay for their constant wiener-ups, especially when an idiot is costing you more money than you make off them. If the union was really interested in a slug like that, they would get them help.
>Most of them you could give the heave-ho on the first incident
And thats why unions need to be a thing. Where I live the law is 3 strikes- 2 warnings. First warning can be vocal, 2nd one has to be in a written form, 3rd time repeating the mistake you can fire the dude. Happiest country on Earth 6th time in a row now, not purely thanks to unions but they definitely played a role.
Ironically unions and worker rights here were made strong to prevent another Whites vs Reds commie civil war. We managed to purge the commie stain from our country but had to make systemic changes to make sure the uprising never happened again. So by the time of WW2 the Soviet propaganda didn't work anymore. Any burger trying to argue unions are "muh socialism" or "muh communism" are full of shit.
What c**try ? If it's in the picture, i can't see it because i'm on a phone
>What c**try ?
Binland:DDDDD
It's very obviously Finland.
Well Asians can make socialism or even communism work.
yeah, but those unions are different - they negotiate on part of day laborers who make up huge slices of society, like construction workers or bus drivers, who usually produce a homogenous labor output (1 bus driver can replace the other). Making sure that they earn a good wage and work in good conditions is for the benefit of society at large.
Writers are a very elite profession with supply outstripping the demand by far, and huge quality differences between individuals. In books for example, if you can produce a novel that most people are willing to read, and kind of enjoy, you are part of the 0.1%, and not even in throwing distance of the literary greats.
I fail to see why unions are a good solution here. Additionally, what I don't get is why Hollywood has its shows written by literal committees - creative work is an individualistic endeavor.
>what I don't get is why Hollywood has its shows written by literal committees - creative work is an individualistic endeavor.
You have 1-3 idea guys (most of the times based and educated men) and 8-15 other writers who are either minorities themselves (for ESG score) or solely exist to implement minorities and woke shit into the actual story that the core guys wrote. That's how you end up with stunning and brave kweens as medieval royalty and transgender elves in wheelchairs.
A nation of depressed mongoloids are the "happiest" according to some homosexual list, lol.
I want to give some of my people raises and shit but their moron union prevents it. They do frick all for the employees too, lol. Like $150 a year out of their chdck for nothing.
I'm not anti union
They serve a purpose in large assembly plants
That should be it
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It should be there tonkeepnthe manual labor idiots happy
Union people are just in it for themselves
It's been that way from the start
My neighbor just retired and he told me in the months before he retired he didn't tell anybody he worked with he was leaving
What a brotherhood right
Then his last day he just basically fricked everyone who had to cover for him
Union bosses are corrupt thieves
Union rank and file are useful idiots
<<t.parents were high ranking union bosses in the 80's and 90s
SAG isn't a union, it's a guild. You're not anti-unions, you're anti-trad guilds.
Then get a real job.
so true
this is the problem with those people, they are artists and like a lot of artistic jobs, it works on commission. If they make only 26k it just means that they aren't working 40h/5days a week, but they just get 4-5 roles a year in some minor parts. They are pretending to make an occasional work like a fulltime work even if clearly they aren't enough talented to do so, and the industry doesn't require so many of them. And 14% making more than 26k is incredible compared to other arts, how many musicians make that much? 95% of them probably makes 5$ selling some song online and anther 300$ from some live gigs. How many illustrators make more than that? Maybe 2%, most make like 300$ by selling some scat commissions in a year. Is like those people pretending to be paid like sakimichan.
Yeah, I can't muster sympathy for them, it's not an essential job.
Well, they can always learn to code.
In this case, how are they alive at all? Also this because the internet has fooled too many people into thinking they can live off entertainment and a limit has been reached.
Learn to code
Why don't they just ask agree to 1% of the box office profit? Or even half a percent?
If the film makes $200 million on a $100 million budget, that's $500,000. They could go even lower than that and still make a ton if money. And it motivated them to write food stories that will earn a lot while not making bloated cgi messes. Why not do that instead of asking for a fixed income?
How is it so hard for you to understand, writers that don't make a livable wage, aren't very good. Good writers make bank.
>Why don't they just ask agree to 1% of the box office profit?
hollywood accounting
The same reason that despite some films making 3x 4x their budget, they're marked down as a loss.
Because of marketing costs and the amount that theaters take. Chinese theaters take a huge cut.
>Chinese theaters
who gives a shit about those yellow Black folk, this is a thread about white people
That doesn't work, because Hollywood is pretty good at moving money around specifically to screw contracts like these.
For example the Harry Potter movies, "technically" lost money so they don't actually have to give the actors their cuts
Then where does Wikipedia get their figures from? Can't it just be calculated that way? You could always do first dollar gross, but that would reward writing mega budget flops like dial of destiny
It could. But it never will, because in order for ANY of that to happen, Hollywood would have to open up their books, on public record, and show where money goes and how to prove that payment is done and possible.
They will never do that, because if they do then it is in the public sphere, the IRS will be able to come after them (which the DNP don't want, shit the GOP don't want it either), and California's economy will crater (more than it already does), damaging its usability in elections, and precipitating a massive economic fallout because Hollywood's house of cards built on sand is a 200-300 billion dollar industry. And it got to this point because the can kept being kicked down the road, more and more money was shifted around, and now that the can has hit the gravel trap at the end they can't afford to change it because it precipitates a death spiral.
It sounds like they already ate entering the death spiral
>it could happen but it won't because the bad guys don't want it to
>that would make all the difference but instead I'm going to strike for a raise
Stupid Black folk, jesus.
>just ask for 1%
>movie has 101 actors
Writers not actors.
>500 thousand split 100 + ways in commiefornia
Kek
These movies have to make a profit
Something they are struggling to do
Mario and Barbie won’t save film industry
Anthony Daniels negotiated a 1% of profits from the star wars prequels. He never got paid a penny because technically the films never made a profit. Hollywood accounting will be used to frick them over with the blessing of the california legislature.
Better solution is for the actually higher paid actors to forego some of their salary and pay extras and other actors more out of their huge share.
How could you argue Star Wars didn’t make money
Sounds moronic
Here's a classic example where a Harry Potter movie earned a billion dollars in revenue apparently lost the studio 167 million. Most contracts stipulate that the actor can begin receiving a part of the profits after the break-even point. Hollywood studios are able to cook the books in a way that makes it seem that movies never break even, primarily by moving money that *should* count towards the break-even point into a separate category. Thus expenses always appear to outweigh profit.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's lawyers famously avoided that on Terminator 3 by having the contract create its own definition of the break even point constituting "100% home video royalty". Most of the time studios will only count a far lower percentage of home video sales towards the break-even point (like, 15%).
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/ASContract.htm
No one else in the movie had a contract like this and they got nothing in royalties because, per the studio's own definition of the break even point, the movie never turned a profit. Only A++ listers like Arnold have the negotiating power to get their fair share of royalties.
i wonder WHO is using these tactics.
Literally everyone. Basing anything on "profit" is moronic, big fishes will always cook the books, usually to avoid taxes.
ignore him. according to /misc/ a israelite is
a) anyone actually israeli
b) anyone who is business-savy or just successful (unless another chud)
c) anyone /misc/ just doesn't like
israeli math. Lie with words. Lie with numbers. Lie, lie, lie.
>defined gross
>specific lists of where the money is coming in from
>expenses section
>summarized list, but still gives some insight to where the money goes
>investment and other
>uhhh negative cost and interest on...something. that'll be 373m, plus tip
>oh look at that our 208m taxable profit is now a 167m untaxable loss
fricking hilarious
He must be a gigantic retars then because everyone knew by the 80's you ask for gross.
>Better solution is for the actually higher paid actors to forego some of their salary and pay extras and other actors more out of their huge share.
You mean, they gotta put their politics where their mouth is? Good luck getting, for example, Jessica Chastain to pay up. I can see why George Clooney doesn't act anymore.
Those that can already do. You have to have a demonsrated track record of success to negotiate that though
>he thinks films make profit
What a dumbass
Ask to make percentage on the gross, never the profit.
>Why dont they trust heebs with their money
Anon...
>give 500,000 to every bit actor in the background of a single scene without lines
Lol they’d for sure get replaced with cgi and ai with that demand
>Want to be an NBA player even though I'm white and 5'8" and I suck at basketball
>Parents tell me they love me and they'd always come to my games but that I should study and pick a profitable career in case my dreams of an NBA championship don't pan out
>Don't listen to them because of my ego and delusion
>Frick you mom and dad I'll make it as a pro basketball player you'll see
>Don't get drafted into the NBA because I'm not very good
>Get mad and insist that the NBA is unfair to me
>Desperately try to convince the NBA athletes to go on strike with me and forfeit their multimillion-dollar contracts because I don't earn enough money to feed my kids playing pickup basketball at the YMCA
>Parents have to support me because I refuse to get a real job
Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it
>even though I'm white
why did you have to include that in your shit analogy you Black person, especially when the current best player in the NBA is a white euro
Why not? The NBA is pretty racist, as are the nogs that cover it and play in it. Jokic barely got covered until he forced them to, and still got screwed out of MVP this year.
>“Larry Bird is a very, very good basketball player,” the guard said. ”But if he was black he'd be just another guy.”
Sports been terrible for years anyways
>I work 9 hours a week and I can't afford to live!
well duh
why do they all look like dysgenic liberal trash?
Because they are
What a bunch of ugly morons
>don't make living wage
>live
I am quite certain it means that they need a second job.
So do lots of people, that actually provide real utility to society for time.
well these don't.
That doesn't make the article headline or what I said inaccurate.
Keep spending your time supporting adults who play pretend, and not people that actually make the world go round. Sounds like a smart use of your time.
Why don't they find an actual job?
>i write scripts teaching chuds about their white privilege, why don't i make enough money to live in Beverly Hills?
get a real fricking job.
I did pay up. I put my part of the billions of dollar that capeshit, sci fi, and fantasy were earning for your industry.
Then you woked the shit out of them to punish me for liking them before you woked the shit out of them.
And THEN you called me names for having a problem with that.
So you want to negotiate with me, let's start with an apology and some guarantee for how you're going to be behaving better in the future.
This! These people spit in your face and told you to frick off while taking a giant shit on the medium and it’s legacy
Frick them
all of them
>I put my part of the billions of dollar that capeshit, sci fi, and fantasy were earning for your industry.
>Then you woked the shit out of them to punish me for liking them before you woked the shit out of them.
None of that dogshit was profitable before normies got ahold of it, homosexual
>b-but muh Star Wars
on cereal boxes and shampoo bottles since the 80's
>fat redhead with communist fist
kill them all.
That's a man, baby
They spend all day on twitter obsessed with the current thing though.
learn to code sweaties
>A small minority of gay members earn millions and millions of dollars
>in general the gay members believe in communism
>Yet the millionaire few do not donate their money to a general pool of funds for the rest of the gay members
Curious and curious
So in short 80% are just blog posters who claim to be writers because they are in a union
> Only 7% of SAG-AFTRA performers earn $80,000 or more a year...
No! Only 7% of actors earn twice as much as the average US worker. The Saggy part time side gig is like slavery. This is an outrage!
>chud bootlickers actually defending billion dollar companies
>wonder why they have to work three jobs
Truly NPCs...
They truly have them mentality of an Uncle Tom, like if they keep licking boots enough they will be wearing the boot themselves one day
Chud logic is truly moronic
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it has gotten to a point where i rather support the companies than the leftist homosexuals they employ. i expect they'll now fire all these homosexuals and replace them with based writers and actors. if not, then i don't care either, they all lose either way.
>i expect they'll now fire all these homosexuals and replace them with based writers and actors
because this is a thing that happens outside your imagination
lmao, get a real job you dumb Black folk
Who's defending the corporations? Your narratives will never be real
No one's supporting corps, you samegayging commie filth.
we're not defending shit, we're just picking the lesser of two evils and nothing is worse than lefty troony scum
> Sara Sevigny, who has been a SAG-AFTRA actor since 2016 and has worked on Max’s South Side and a Hulu series, made $8,000 in residuals which allowed her to qualify for health insurance in 2022, but this year her total residuals dropped to $1,600. “It’s bananas that we’re constantly having to hustle to get jobs as it is,” Sevigny says.
"Why do I have to keep working? Why can't I retire and live the rest of my life off residuals? Wahhhhh!"
The safest part to me is I would happily submit the screenplay I'm writing right now for free. I know it won't happen in doing it for my own amusement as an exercise, but only because I really have faith in the quality of what I'm writing and just want to see it get made. But these untalented overeducated frickeits get picked for diversity checkboxes and sniffing the right asses. It's not fair bros
yet they can afford guild membership
how do they live
Why don't they make their own movies and sell them instead of being whiny homosexuals?
Because they're poor. Isn't that the whole entire point of the post?
The top members are very rich. Why don't they risk their millions to establish rival studios and hire all these poor actors?
I don't know to be honest, because they like having money?
uhhh shut up!
>fricking studios they print money they make billions and leave scraps to us there's eanough money for everyone!
>what do you mean why won't we pool and invest ourselves if it's so easy?
some actors get rich enough to have their own production companies, which they hire a business type to operate so the whole thing doesn't go up in flames while they do cocaine
United Artists was formed 104 years ago with three actors as it's founders. Lasted until 2019. The idea for the venture originated with Fairbanks, Chaplin, Pickford and cowboy star William S. Hart a year earlier. Already Hollywood veterans, the four stars talked of forming their own company to better control their own work.
Good Union test.
If a union based in a single country doesn’t actively try to restrict immigration it is not doing it’s best for it’s members.
Jews vs. israelites, who am I supposed to support here?
1. Part time/gig economy. They are employed for 3 months of the year and make a shit load of money for those 3 months. It's up to them to fill the other 9 months. If you choose to just take on one project then you're a moron.
2. There is no point 2. They are fricking idiots who think 3 months work should equal 12 months work.
You're saying that like they'd get hired for big paying jobs consistently or even low paying jobs.
Why enter a gig economy job then? It's for people who enjoy hustle.
It's harder to churn out good stuff when you have no time to ponder and have to put out content.
>Exceptions to the rule. As a rule, the average quality has dropped hard. You think because there's a few good shows that every writer should be paid the big bucks? If so you're kind of stupid.
You say that because you don't want to be a writer or because you're successful in writing?
>You say that because you don't want to be a writer or because you're successful in writing?
Answer the question
Should every writer have a minimum wage regardless of credentials? What should that be per hour? Or per episode? Or per film? What's your ballpark.
Ballpark, if you can afford it, give them 1,000 a week for life. They could live off of it if they know how to budget. Most you'd have to pay them for the lifetime is 2 mil to 4 mil+. You can cut down the amount of writers you have to pay if it comes down to it.
Who's paying that? And for what? Under what circumstances do they get that? Do they become defacto employees of the studio?
>Who's paying that?
Well, I was going to say you can go into The Nobody's account and take how much you need and then some. But no one believes in The Nobody. Or that "he" has unlimited money. Good travels if you want to make it hard on yourself.
If you can't argue like an adult with an adult then you probably shouldn't be surprised when no one is taking on your stupid talking points.
>Ask question
>Get sarcastic response
Which TV show did you write an episode for
You're making a series of stupid points here and I'm struggling to grasp what you're advocating for. Is it that writers should be employed year round regardless of output? Make your point clearer
> It's harder to churn out good stuff when you have no time to ponder and have to put out content.
What's the going hourly rate for "pondering"?
Mine or others?
It's not an argument, I'm trying to put forth a solution. If you don't believe me or in me, fine, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you're someone who can make things happen then you would know about me.
None of them.
>I'm trying to put forth a solution
It's not a solution, it's a broad statement not based on reality. Money doesn't come from nowhere and not a single studio is going to bankroll a writer's yearly salary for 2-3 months of work a year. It's a stupid point and you should feel stupid for being so incredibly naive.
>It's not a solution
It is a solution. Who are you? We could talk this out if you were a Bohemian. Money is made up, bro, hence why I have unlimited money in store for these occasions. Ask around, you'll either get someone who thinks you're crazy or get the ear of someone who matters. It's a gamble, but it's The Truth. You don't know what reality is, bro, your take on it isn't going to change anything going forward.
Nah, I'm writing something.
>Muh Economics
Bro, you have no idea where you even are, do you?
>Answers questions with questions
>"I'm just an idea guy"
Nice larp. Subtle.
>Answers questions with questions
Also, I know it's against The Way to do that, Idk why you people are so fixated on certain parts of The Way but not the ones that "matter"
I don't care who you are but based on your responses so far you're probably a child who doesn't understand how money is made.
you’re replying to a schitzo
Call me crazy, at least you're callin'
if you think that 4k a month to a person with no skill and for doing nothing then you are out of your mind and don't know how money works, nor do you know how much your average skilled person earns outside of asking your daddy some bucks when you need money. kys
>if you think that 4k a month to a person with no skill and for doing nothing then you are out of your mind and don't know how money works, nor do you know how much your average skilled person earns outside of asking your daddy some bucks when you need money. kys
You're saying this as someone with talent or someone who doesn't want to join SAG?
Sitcom and film writing took a fricking nosedive in 2003-2008 and it's been getting worse since. Why do they deserve more?
So like no good movies or tv shows have existed in those times and contemporary times?
Exceptions to the rule. As a rule, the average quality has dropped hard. You think because there's a few good shows that every writer should be paid the big bucks? If so you're kind of stupid.
All leftoid actors and writers deserve to make dying wage.
Is this before or after it came out that his kid wasn’t his
When did that cuck say that?
During leftist pandemic spread riots.
I work 8-12 hours a day at a warehouse loading trailers. These guys are pussies.
Your job sucks ass too
You know its funny usually Union protests end with the Union not getting anything close to what they want but they get a moronic symbolic victory they parade around but this union can't afford to take that and has to go all in
1000 a week for the term of contract would be less than what they're getting now when you factor in most writing gigs are between 8-12 weeks. They are employed to fill a purpose (write a movie, write a season, etc).
This for most it’s a part time contract gig
Studios my have some writers on staff but they don’t have to honestly I don’t think that’s been a thing for years
This whole writers strike thing is giving me similar vibes to the "salary gap" between men and women. It looks bad on first glance but then you look at it and realise that women are working less than men, so they earn less per year. Writers work a few months a year but factor it up yearly and they make a good bit of money. They need to work more.
I would tell them to learn to code
But h1b rojneesh already has the job
Which they all supported
Funny how that works
Sitting in the background of a shot as an extra isn't worth much money and you shouldn't rely on that to make a living.
How much do they get? I wanna see a breakdown of working weeks to salary.
Especially for those not making a living a wage. Just how many weeks are they working.
The ones that don't make a "living wage" are background characters.
That's not entirely true, Kris Carr has two jobs plus her acting career to make a decent wage.
>According to Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDb & Various Online resources, famous Non-Fiction Author Kris Carr’s net worth is $1-5 Million at the age of 47 years old.
Net worth isn't what you have in the bank. Her assets might hold her.
Also she has 7 roles in a 4 year period. Two of them are shorts and one is a single episode on Law and Order, one isn't even english.
>Also she has 7 roles in a 4 year period
She also has classes and works on an Internet show so there's that. If she made a budgeted living wage off that then Idk what to tell her.
I'm just going by IMDB, she seemed to start acting in 1998 and stop in 2002.
Of the English movies:
>The Hidden (aka Five Years)
Doesn't even have a wikipedia page.
>Queenie in Love (doesn't seem to be a main character)
Doesn't even have a wikipedia page.
>Idol Hands
Budget $25m, box office $4.2m
She's mostly a voice actor. Idk if she still actively does it though.
imdb includes voice acting roles.
Ah, okay.
>doesn't mention that those low earning morons also work like 2 weeks a year
Literally get a job you Black folk.
Able bodied adults crying for gibs and those will be in the end paid for by tax payers, corpo->gov->tax payers.
They're fricking morons. They're not working a regular job, all actors are freelancers, if they don't get a job they don't get paid. Simple as. Do they want to get fricking paid to do nothing? Even Brad Pitt had to wait tables and shit before he made it. If you haven't made it after a few years then get another job and act on the side. If you think you should be paid like a regular job for doing one commercial every 6 months then you're insane. How can you even defend this shit? These lazy, untalented, worthless maggots want to be millionaires because they think they're "artists" and that working regular jobs is beneath them.
Great job protecting actors' rights uniongays, why do they need to pay you again?
Don’t care about the west coast
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Ok s we can all readily admit that the strikes have shown us that even if you are in the writer’s and actor’s unions you are still LARPing as a Hollywood star or screenwriter and your parents are now totally in the right to call you a no good bum with no job, right?
I wonder if these "people" realize how universally hated they are by absolutely everyone.
Aren’t most actors background extras who are basically doing gig work between real jobs? No other artist feels so entitled to steady pay for their passion. Can you imagine a musician’s guild protesting outside a bar because they only get 50 bucks and free beer for a set?
>no living wage
Actors are.... d... dead?
It's crazy, but somehow actors survive on sidgys. They Live. But they want those yachts too, ya know? Spread the greed!
>YOU WANT KINO, Cinemaphile? PAY UP!
No way, F.A.G.
>When I get acquitted, people are gonna look at me and say, "Good going, F.A.G. You showed how fair the American Justice system is, didn't ya, F.A.G.?"
The number of women explains the terrible quality of today's writing.
Woman represent like 5% of all the greatest books ever published.
Having more than 5% of female writers in Hollywood is totally ridiculous.
>Woman represent like 5% of all the greatest books ever published.
That's the thing, though. Their cope is to say that's because they were never allowed into "the boy's club" of writing back then. But now that they are, look at what they've accomplished (nothing).
Nonfiction also pays more than fiction and all women want to write is homosexual romance and fantasy.
Not really. The highest selling authors of all time are women. Should be noted two write romance trash and one kids books. The problem is hollywoods insistence on putting female writers on male projects
>Woman represent like 5% of all the greatest books ever published.
>5%
Being a little generous there, aren't you?
wtf i was just thinking they were filming a scene
Me too! I followed this actress into the porta potty and licked the toilet seat like I was possessed.
The best part about being on location.
I know her!
Any other famous actresses toilet seats you licked?
I was a Kiernan Shipka's on set assistant for two days and I never saw her poop once - problem is she spent all day snacking in catering, eating finger foods??
Imagine being an assistant of 4/10 nobody.
You wouldn't lick her toilet seat after she pooped? Buncha incels ITT.
just Kiki things
seen her at a million tables full of food
never seen her eat anything
NOTE: cocaine is a hunger suppressant and backs your literal shit up
What’s funny is you have dipshits like Meryl Streep and Robert Downey Jr striking, when it’s their ridiculous bloated pay that has caused budgets to skyrocket out of hand and make the production cut costs elsewhere. It’s baffling watching people who have heavily benefited from a system oppose it. If you really cared, you would take a fraction of your pay.
Good point and when something like this happens
where Arnold manages to get their real share of royalties, all it does is suck money away from literally everyone else's pot of backend cash. Streep and RDJ are so powerful that I'm sure they have similar contracts which have realistic definitions of breakeven, and while its a nice payday for them, it screws over every other person in production who is slated to get a share of the profits. Aside from executives they are among the biggest winners in the system.
>Aside from executives they are among the biggest winners in the system.
I don't see a problem, RDJ and Streep (well, only Streep) are box office draws.
Nobody from the new crop of actors are movie draws, no matter how many times some cucks posts Shitka Tier One in here.
Established actors are often the only thing a movie has going for them.
>RDJ and Streep (well, only Streep) are box office draws.
they aren't, dr doolittle was a box office bomb, he's nothing without the mcu
they have to mix in with the unwashed masses so nobody starts saying what you wrote and eventually their anger might switch to them instead. That's why Mark Rufalo put on this homeless outfit and stood there with a paperboard sign to appear like one of them instead of being the guy who gets paid eight figures to show his head out of an ironman suit for 20 minutes.
THE WORLD NEEDS PLENTY OF BARTENDERS
are they allowed to protest on the Sabbath (Saturday)?
Nah.
I suspect there's just not enough work for most SAG writers and the best ones, that 14%, are always working.
I have a studio art degree, should I just draw furry porn and see what happens???
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Yep, people pay ridiculous money to the worst hacks as long as they draw their fetish. Just be willing to draw anything. Don't listen to this guy
, there's still a lot of money in the market.
>get paid regardless of a films failure
>studios take the hit if the film fails
>they also get the reward if it succeeds
Seems fair to me.
>make urine
>strike
>no one cares
>lose
?
jej Who they gonna hire if the SAG and WGA strikes fail?
they can make more cleaning toilets
you make like 13.50 an hour starting out at walmart, how are these little b***hes so pathetic?
They don't want to work for less than 10k a month. That's the issue.
You can work at a warehouse job for much more than that. If they’re supposedly going hungry then they shouldn’t be picky.
I'm not even exaggerating when I say that this is literally the most dysgenic group of people that I have ever seen. This picture makes Brazil look like early 20th century Paris. I want somebody, anybody, to look at this picture and explain to me in detail how exactly thos is "our strength"?
When you say "our" you are referring to an elite who use these "people" as a weapon against your average person.
Diversity is their strength not yours
we've begun gathering in them in containment states now all we have to do is seal the containment chamber
My heart bleeds for these homosexuals.
I'm a neet, and get better bennies than them.
You'll change your tune when the slop starts drying up.
Maybe they should write higher quality material then.
Can't they just have another job between acting jobs or live on welfare?
I mean that's what seasonal workers usually do or they just go to thailand or somewhere during winter for cheap living.
I did few years of some river stuff, which you couldn't do during winter. Worked 6 months a year and slacked off rest with unemployment money. Was kinda nice to have long break to get batteries charged so to speak
>living wage
They make like six figures, which is still decent living in SoCal. Plus any "I only make $x dollars" whining doesn't factor in residuals and benefits.
SAG should be thanking me for paying the studios nothing.
Why would they? Most actors are playing bit roles, sometimes without any lines. Of course, they're not going to get paid big bucks for such an unimportant role.
>bro why do 86% of actors in SAG who only get non speaking extra roles make so little money?
>why dont they have 1,000 protagonists per show/movie?
are these people moronic?
Learn to code
I just find it surreal that the shills actually think Cinemaphile of all places would be sympathetic to the strike. I swear there are these moronic cheerleaders in every thread.
Out of work actors spend most their time on Cinemaphile
i find it fascinating that they don't realize that we're perfectly fine with both the strikers and the studios making less money instead of taking one side or the other
You shouldn't get paid to work in Hollywood, you should be beaten instead.
flog the writers
give raises to the technical crews
Is it like waiters who don't make a living wage, but actually pull $70/hour tax free if you count tips?
>pretending to be a character in a story can't earn you a living
ok, and?
It's not a secret around 90% of actors live in poverty and need another job to pay the bills.
Remember when drama series only had two main characters and them and the story were the only focus, instead of having to wade through dozens of stupid plots and subplots for each of the dozen ensemble cast each season?
I miss those kind of shows
>dogshit wages
>only nepo babies can afford to do it for a living
>rich kids writing is shit
>tv: we need even lower wages and more rich kids writing! Surely the writing will improve
Who said I wanted Hollywood to improve?
We need no wages for writing scum.
>Surely the writing will improve
nobody thinks this is possible without a purge. grunge style redpilled writers or bust. The market wills it.
>KILL WHITE PEOPLE, WE WILL FRICK YOUR KIDS
>noooooooo you can’t just not watch our slop and let us starve!
Watch me. It will be much more interesting than any show you’ve written.
tick tock wagies, your tears will be more famous and tasty than you ever will.
>it takes large "storyboard group" writing teams to write ANYTHING.
>cry that the large teams have watered down their pay.
I have a good idea: hire fewer and more competent writers.
>move to a place where rent + utilities is 5k a month
>WTF I CAN'T MAKE A LIVING WAGE??????? PAY ME MORE NOW!!!!
can't wait for normies to start paying 100 a month for netflix and 50 to watch a movie in the cinema
>50 to watch a movie in the cinema
it already is that not even including snacks
>$69,510 per year
Move to a cheaper area and make zoom calls. Your shit is literally writen, you can sent it by mail
but what about the hussle and bussle???
>a writers room
>over zoom
Sounds like a recipe for slow work and churning out crud. On the other hand you'd probably get better writers from people not stupid enough to want to move to Los Angeles.
Do you really need a "writer's room" to come up with 12 fifty-minute scripts every two years? A single writer used to be able to pump out massive 800 page tomes once a year, while writing essays and short stories on the side.
but that's not fun, we want to pretend like it's hogwarts year 3 and tweet politics and make the white guy do all the real work.
>Ideas and banter and cupcakes and darkies
Holy shit
she should be a housewife gossiper, not a screenwriter lmao
said writer didn't have stunning and brave transgender people of color in his stories, did he? your chudcore has no place in this future, the force is female and that's a good thing and I thank god everyday that she made it possible for fellow sisters and poc to attend modern writers rooms to churn out more representation and inclusivity. Black Lives MAtter!
Doubt that. You wouldn't be able to make connections needed to stay busy of you wanted to work remote from the mid west for every job.
>If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life
Hey you fricking wienersuckers! Reminder that this is how it fricking should be! Wil Wheaton was making so much money off of his residuals as the lowest paid regular on ST:TNG it kept him afloat for 20 fricking years so he could rebuild his career after his parents stole all his childhood actor money!
https://wilwheaton.net/2023/07/if-not-now-when/
>My parents forced me to be a child actor, and stole nearly all of my salary from my entire childhood. My Star Trek residuals were not much, but they were all I had, and they kept me afloat for two decades while I rebuilt my life. I have healthcare and a pension because of my union. The AMPTP billionaires want to take all that security away so they can give CEOs even more grotesque wealth at the expense of the people who make our industry run.
>"Hello peasants, we've just come from our luxury apartments to join you for two hours of picketing. Then we will be driven home in our Teslas to eat our five course lunches."
Gates McFadden lives in a $3 million dollar house she owns in Hollywood Hills. You can see her occasionally running the trails by the Hollywood sign
Wil Wheaton lives in a $3.5 million dollar house in Arcadia.
So just normal actors scraping a living on below minimum wage then?
did he bring his mom to the protest? I guess she drove him there.
Learn to Code
I highly doubt that. These people get 3K from the Union and Democrat donations alone.
>don't make a living wage
>still alive
>can survive while not working for weeks in a strike
hmm yeah no I'm calling bs
they just want a thicker slice of the pie
learn to code
TOM BRADY JUST SIGNED WITH THE DENVER BRONCOS
>kino
Who is their gripe with? California is deep blue, Joe Biden is president, there's no mean Republicans around...Who is responsible?!
It is a real mystery. They better move to Arizona and Texas to get away from the mess that is California.
why can't they get a husband
thats a lie ~90% fulltime SAGers make more than 300k/year
which is of course low for LA, but way more than living wage
Maybe the acting industry isn't for them.
Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless.
Gadon brehs are eating good rn
This is Sarah Gadon's year
>Couldnt care less. Sarah Gadon is Canadian and not in SAG. She just released 2 movies in consecutive weeks, and she has 3 more movies premiering at festivals in September. She's been going on talkshows to promote them and will be on the red carpet at the festivals. She also finished writing the screenplay for the movie she will direct soon. She's doing this while all the talentless Hollywood hacks are jobless.
Based
I love Sarah Gadon
Glad to see Cinemaphile temporarily shut down in solidarity with the striking actors
>union won't give healthcare to 86% of its members
>somehow this is the studio's fault
>Black folk and women
They don't make a "living wage" because they don't actually do any work. They're paid what they're worth: Frick all.
>majority of "actors" are just hired as background extras without any lines
>WOAH 86% OF ACTORS MAKE LESS THAN XXX BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF ROLES WITH LINES ARE VERY LIMITED COMPARED TO HOW MANY moronS AUDITION FOR THEM
why are journalists so misleading?
Ha ha, very amusing, ypu will please go into the oven now, thank you.
Has someone walked in the rally and said PRAISE IGER?
I'd do it, but I don't want to go to California.
Get a real job losers.
I hope they never work in entertainment ever again.
That's the point, we do pay, a lot more now everything's streaming, but the studios are intent of giving us woke trash written by idiots with some useless Gender Studies degree.
Sarah Gadon has a Film Studies degree.
Sarah Gadon is so talented. She and Canadian cinema will save us from Hollywood slop.
Sucks to suck.
Go mop a floor, b***h.
who would hire these people as actors?
Why do they believe they should be supported like this, this is like a next level neetbux.
>you must pay me for doing nothing
>you must agree to pay me for this long and not hire anyone else but me
That’s a lot of liberals accomplishing nothing demanding a handout from me. Maybe they could learn to code? The military has a recruitment problem right now.
sounds like they should find different jobs