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No. David Bowie would have been a good dream.
>dream
...You mean Desire, right?
Just people who either never read the book, or have no standards whatsoever.
>...You mean Desire, right?
Yes, but actually now I think about it he probably would be a good dream too.
Young David Bowie would've been great for Lucifer, considering Lucifer was drawn to resemble him.
You mean Lucifer?
Let's be real, he could have played all of them.
>David Bowie
You mean Lucifer, right?
Sure
It isn't even about racism or that shit. Why take one of the best aesthetics from the whole damn comic and change it. We all know Death can appear differently but that appearance was iconic.
it’d be ok if they coated her skin with paper white paint because the inhumane white skin is the look everyone remembers. they can’t even be bothered to do that.
But the entire point of the casting change is to demoralize and devalue white people, how would painting her skin white help that end
>demoralise and devalue white people
They really think this, but are only demoralising and devaluing their own properties kek
>one of the best aesthetics from the whole damn comic
>just standard black and white color pallet
You people are so obsessed with superficial shit.
Comics are an image based medium. Aesthetics matter. Even simple aesthetics can be interesting.
designs inform themes and characters. also, as gayman says... the fans want what they like.
but also you're a dirty racist if you dare have negative opinions about a deliberately inaccurate casting job for what is likely the only visual adaptation that this comic is ever going to get
This reminds me of the Percy Jackson writer. He was so angry that they made a character brunette instead of blonde. Then in the sequel film they changed her hair colour.
But in the new series, she is played by a black woman and he's defending it.
What a flaming cuck he sounds like.
He's a defeated man. Not like the Reacher writer who's finally getting to do the books his way.
>gays who stand to benefit from greenlit shows will sell out & not stand by their work.
you don't say?
I'm not surprised, anon. I'm just disappointed.
I mean the funny thing is, the Percy Jackson write sold out but was still upset by a minor change that they rectified.
Now with this new series he is no longer nitpicking but fine with the change and full sold out. Just funny.
What difference does it make? it's fricking netflix, it'll be one awful season followed by cancellation and a reduction in their stocks values.
It's just gonna get the Green Lantern effect, is all. It comes out and is shit/laughably mediocre--then the company never wants to touch it again.
Just sucks because Netflix can make a good product, when it gives a shit to.
Even when netflix has successes they only do them for 2-3 seasons at most. Got to get ready for new thing
Unless it does the Locke & Key/Umbrella Academy thing and they end up adapting basically the whole thing.
>>one of the best aesthetics from the whole damn comic
>>just standard black and white color pallet
>You people are so obsessed with superficial shit.
Pathetic response.Not that anon bu it's really not about race for me either, i'm not some chud. It's that the character so visually typified the 80s goth girl aesthetic, so fully embodied the archetype in her design, that that's something an adaptation should reflect. The design *is* the character in comics first. And that doesn't preclude black actresses in any way, it's not that she should be caucasian but that otherworldly, gothic white. That no human is.
That comic's biggest sell is superficial shit.
couldn't they have at least cast a young feminine black girl and give her goth make-up and outfits rather than le stern butch black lady with no unique style we've seen in everything ever made in the last 5 years?
the whole point of the character design is she's disarming cute and ironically wears fashion from a subculture detractors say trivializes death
No anon that's not part of the agenda. They have to have the fat representative and black representative be the same person. Casting hot chicks like Halle Berry just doesn't cut it
I get that they want us to worship black people, which is why they are shoving them down our throat but can't they atleast cast hot ones?
This new death and reva in kenobi, it's the same variation of mediocre looking women with linebacker shoulders
It’s not just about race, it’s about subverting beauty standards.
how about i subvert their expectations by shitting in their mouth instead of putting my balls in their jaws?
>We all know Death can appear differently
Except, she not once changed her race in all of Sandman's original run.
Would've made more sense to cast a black man as Dream than a black woman as a girl whose defining, consistent visual trait is being pale as the moon.
>Would've made more sense to cast a black man as Dream
White man's burden
I mean, at least he was black at a couple specific occasions in the comic. Plus, it'd fit with the whole:
>Morpheus, dark
>Daniel, light
scheme that goes on with their designs.
>she not once changed her race
I haven't read it in ages, but didn't she at least change her appearance to appear as a different version of Death for someone from a different belief system. Or am I misremembering?
>but didn't she at least change her appearance to appear as a different version of Death for someone from a different belief system
No.
>Or am I misremembering?
Yes.
Fair. Probably thinking of Overture when Dream meets his different aspects or something.
She turns in to a chinese girl in the original run. She tells a story where she spends a day on earth as a human and hangs out with a chinese boy til he dies.
Oh, right.
Well, it is a bit of a goalpost move, but I was referring more toward how Dream turns into different races/species for when he appears before different individuals. I don't think Death ever does that in the original run--not that I can recall, at least.
>I don't think Death ever does that in the original run--not that I can recall, at least.
Brief Lives is the original run and she changes her race just like you describe. In the comic she meets ham gadling, the israeli guy she kills in issue #8 morpheus and other endless. She shows up as white to them. She shows up as chinese to the chinese boy.
Delirium also turns chinese in the issue about the emperor of USA.
I assumed all the endless are seen by people as how their religion and culture interprets them. Remember, they are anthropomorphic personifications of ideas.
Oh so they're going to recast Death when she'll interact with white people?
>She shows up as chinese to the chinese boy.
And yet her skin is still pale white
When Nada sees Morpheus she sees him as a black african chad kang. And cats see morpheus as a cat
slightly different since that time death actually incarnated to live a day as ''a mortal''
And Martian Manhunter sees a flaming skull thing. It makes sense for Dream to be fluid, changing. But we're taking about Death
does the kid grow up to be Genghis Khan or something?
Pretty sure she becomes a little chinese girl in one issue in the original run. Morpheus also is black in the first issue of A Doll's House
>Morpheus also is black in
Yeah, that's why I said it would've made more sense for him to be black.
>Pretty sure she becomes a little chinese girl in one issue
You got a source, or at least an idea of which story/arc that happens in?
>You got a source, or at least an idea of which story/arc that happens in?
It's in Brief Lives, not sure the issue. Brief Lives is my favorite arc.
>Pretty sure she becomes a little chinese girl
it has a panel, main story is in the death mini. It should be the ''cost of living'' one, but i may be wrong
reperashuns
I'm left as frick, and I'm going to give the actress a chance, but goddamn, they ruined the aesthetic.
GET THAT LEFTIST ANON OFF THE THREAD! GIVE HER A CHANCE? WELL YOU PROBABLY GAVE BARACK OBAMA A CHANCE TOO!
always thought the fake udjat eye and ankh looked tacky on the whitest person "alive". dont read or watch this shit anyway so disregard my opinion
Kind of underwhelming honestly. Looks like they made Morpheus more menacing than ethereal.
So with Jenna Coleman as 'Constantine' does this mean between her and Death they are going to have two smug self aware characters snarking it up on camera?
Why would anyone want to watch woke garbage? Did everyone forget about how bad the Halo, Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan shows were?
Nope. Was excited for years but the casting Death is a no buy for me. Shameful
>diversity
>it's a black person
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>TIME
Gross race mixing
Its always the ugly ones
No because it’s another movie where ugly Black folk are cast black washing white characters.
Just another excuse for me not to give a shit about netflix.
Nope
Blackwashing death just feels like spite of all the women they could've gimmick casted.
>favorite series gets adapted
>character gets blackwashed with Michael Obama looking b***hes.
Every time. Why look forward to anything anymore?
Given the track record for Netflix originals, not really
They turned a cool, unique story, into flavor-of-the-month-YA-fantasy crap. What's truly shameful is how Gaiman was supposedly heavily involved in this, but he's been cucked by his BPD psycho wife for over a decade so it's not surprising.
How do you know? It's not out yet
Black person, it's on netflix. what more reason is there?
Why haven't I seen the actress make one single smile in-character? Please tell me they're not going to turn Death into a sad/somber character
Also, who's playing Destiny? He's my favorite Endless.
>Also, who's playing Destiny? He's my favorite Endless.
Idris Elba
No, but seriously, it's a bit weird they didn't reveal Destiny's casting yet, he's the only missing Endless (besides Destruction but it makes sense to hold off on him until at least S2 if it gets greenlit), but it's not like he's an hard character to cast.
Never cared for Sandman so I honestly don't see why I should bother watching this.
>didn't read the comic
>not going to watch the show
Wow, what valuable input. Thanks for posting. Please post in every thread you have no opinion about, so everyone can hear how many neutral opinions you have.
left is not from sandman
It's from DC though, so it's consistent.
Clara from Dr. Who and her pancake breasts are in this? Blorf.
I'm more bothered that they even changed Lucien gender
to be fair switching gender is pretty Luciferish
Lucien not Lucifer
Is really SAD to see black people been used like this on these shows .
They are just black replacements , and not original characters .
John Byrne said during the whole Fant4stic debacle that the current trend of intentional, pre-meditated raceswapping was offensive since you're basically just giving black actors and actresses table scraps and telling them that they're not worthing making worthwhile original roles for.
The media that got wind of it accused him of being racist lmao
>table scraps
The issue is they never want to make new things or new stories. So they do a new Anne Boleyn story with a black woman. Tudor Queen is now black. Because god forbid they tell a new story.
Why don't these morons just adapt African history which black people would actually find interesting rather than just turn white historical figures black?
Because they'd rather adapt a comic book property and add different races in it, even if it bombs, than do anything different.
Because the West is a mentally ill degenerate society.
It's easier to find a brand that everyone likes and cast Zendaya for the white female lead for that.
Where have you been, anon? Because everything is diarrhoea. Adaptations of the same nostalgic bait telling the same stories.
I wouldn't even care if any of the endless got race swapped into a chinaman or a black EXCEPT for Death.
Her comic book look was iconic and I assume made Neil Gaiman and DC A LOT of money considering all the crap with her image on it
I would have been fine with an Asian actress but black is the only diversity that exists now
>I would have been fine with an Asian actress
t. chinese insect
t. Leslie Jones
No.
Couldn't they at least have gotten an Egyptian? Would have fit more with the iconography.
I'll give it a shot. Never read the original so why not? I'm not going to not watch it just because a single character got race swapped.
No. Death's casting was the height of woke stupidity and for Gaiman to start defending that idiocy sours the whole adaptation to the point I will actively avoid it. In spite of her ability to appear as anyone/thing, Sandman's Death was represented by a pale, white, goth chick with a British accent and will always be so.
Good Omens was pretty good adaptation with some obvious woke leanings. This looks more like it's about the woke leanings with some adaptation in the way