Other thread died too early so...redoing it. Wont again if it gains no traction, i had a serious thing pop up
Since the writers behind the new NYX mentioned the academy X stuff being a big inspiration as well as 4 characters from it being big characters in it, surge being in x-force and the presence of her and armor in ultimate x-men and the removal of white who disliked those characters. I thought it was fitting to have a thread for the academy x/new x-men cast.
>hopes for the new book
>Favorite characters
>Ideal new team lineup/inclusions in other x-men teams
>Ideal run for them
>Favorite dynamics
>Ideal relationships between them
>Thoughts on their runs
And any other sort of discussion around them
Kyost>weir>everything else
Weir was better but there's so little. Only three?
I always wanted to know what the pre decimation plans were.
Pixie a cute
Bling ain't half bad herself.
Nah she's sexy.
I wish to impregnate Pixie.
She looked good in the X-Men 97 Genosha episode.
Quite a few of the non comic reading people took notice of her.
I mean I want to mating press her until she is fully impregnated.
Don't lewd the Pix, she's too pure
She’s needs her own Belasco groomer, like Magik had.
Maybe use her own father Mastermind, for extra creepy incest factor.
I mean if she wants me to lewd her I would.
>she's too pure
Thicc Pixie was the only good thing about that special.
Does anyone else waifu dust? She has so little art.
Rockslide is best boy. I hope they resurrect him.
god, remember this generation?
ash and dust now
They're honestly not doing too bad
Krakoa era:
>Resurrected all of the Bus kids and repowered the others like Wind Dancer
>Prodigy, Anole and Pixie had fairly major roles in their respective books
>Dust had a cool scene where she expressed doubt against the Quiet Council and Omega level mutants who terraformed Mars
The bad:
>Rockslide was one of the few permanent deaths of the era. That seems to have been fixed now
>Elixir was confined to the group mind of the Five and didn't do anything separate from them, and has been moved to the WHR permanently
>Armor and Surge were in Bishop War College which was one of the worst selling books of the era, which could not have helped the argument that people want New X-Men in books
>Mercury is still dating Bling! they just frick around with other girls too
I'd say the only one who didn't get a storyline was Hellion
The next era is off to a promising start with NYX starring Laura, Anole, Prodigy, Kamala and a Cuckoo
And Surge being in X-Force
And Wind Dancer is in Dazzler for some reason
White did hate them but even he couldn't hold the fact they're the last popular X-men gen.
I thought Mercury was dating loa?
They are open
Mercury deserves better.
So did cess get to frick kevin?
I like to imagine she fricks anyone who's up for it.
Wouldn't you just get mercury poisoning?
also how does she feel anything without a nervous system
Nah, she's non-toxic.
And I guess the same way she can see and hear, by mimicking these functions at a molecular level similar to a T-1000, though apparently it's not quite the same, as we've learned in Way of X she's jealous of the "meat people" for their senses.
Can he touch santo?
I don't remember it ever coming up. For what it's worth, Wither did kill Onyxx, though I assume Rockslide would simply be able to reform even if it did affect him the same way.
Remember when Wither thought he lost his powers and ended up rotting his crush's arm?
At least he was soon shota’d by Selene
Like Wither's whole storyline was bro just had the worst life imaginable.
Selene’s sex himbo when you can’t touch anyone else is a bad thing
Anon, I….
I mean killing his dad when his powers activated, social outcast, not being able to touch your crush without turning her arm into a desiccated thing that just dangles, being unable to turn your power off, and then dying to your crush's ex boyfriend.
>Selene's sex himbo
We both know he was just imagining it was Wallflower the whole time.
I mean, he got to frick Selene, that’s a massive plus.
You know her natural state is withered crone right?
You act like she changes into that during sex. She doesn’t.
But I'd still be thinking about it and it really kills my boner.
Onyx can wet the bed, he is mildly organic?
I figure that Santo's original body before Nimrod disintegrated him might have been vulnerable to Wither
But since he now makes himself out of whatever rocks are around he should be invulnerable to that type of attack
>ignores the hot shiny bawd throwing herself at him because he obsesses over Laurie
>ruins his chances with her by crippling her
>turns out Mercury is bi and poly and most likely would have been down for a threesome or just being his frick buddy
Wither could have had it all if he hadn't been an idiot.
As I said motherfricker was fricking cursed.
She only became bi after he didn't sleep with her.
kevin was too busy moping over blondie
She's grown up...
Pretty sure Pixie wouldn't say no to a threesome with Bling and Mercury
Cute.
The whole thing was creepy. X-office didn't want to piss off the fanbase by calling out Bling for harassing Mercury so now Cess is a promiscuous lesbian to smooth things over.
creatives not giving a shit. I don't know which happened first but Spurrier treated MercuryxLoa as definitive.
>bus kids
They were extras. Literally
Was it hinted that Rockslide is coming back?
Wrongslide died and he asked that Santo be brought back
And then an issue of Rise of the Piwers of X showed the mutants who were left behind in the White Hot Room, and Rockslide in the green costume he briefly wore post-Decimation was there.
Could have been an art mistake and if he came back after that it means he's like 14 years older
But it means there's some wiggle room
there's speculation that the masked figure in the new X-Force book is going to be Rockslide
Tank is more than likely just the same Tank that was a oneshot villain in Ironheart.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Tank_(Mutant)_(Earth-616)
Lame
, Anole and Pixie had fairly major roles in their respective books
yeah it's a very "good"
* humilliation ritual
* complete infatilization
* having no character beyond what the plot requires (but that's basically pixie's character kek)
She was fun back in nxm.
and Surge were in Bishop War College which was one of the worst selling books of the era, which could not have helped the argument that people want New X-Men in books
I laughed my ass off when everyone gets infected and fricking Surges come out being the voice of reason
top 10 collective nightmares (that only prodigy had)
>I'd say the only one who didn't get a storyline was Hellion
wasnt hellion in the book with scalphunter & havok?
No, it was just named that due to the old hellions.
Dust is one of them yes.
Sexie with Pixie
Sauce?
Please give Source.
How do they get away with Bling being so blatantly predatory?
Her liking women.
Does anyone even like bling?
Her writer.
Which one? Her original one did rhe weird Gambit plot. The other one made her a sexpest
Oh yeah, i saw that interview(s), it seems mildly promising and these writers did an ok cap and gotg run. Poor surge tho, apparently the x-force writer is really bad. Ultimate x-men is good even if by its nature most characters are kinda in-name and all. Also wind dancer is over in dazzler's book
>Hopes
Honestly twofold, first actually getting the character voices right, the way they alluded to hellion and remembering anole's arm already gives me way more hope than anything from the krakoa era. And I think its neat they're finally having laura interact with her NXM buddies (its been what since the one academyissue?) even if outside of hellion its a fairly slim selection. More broadly, I hope it becomes a team book including all of the main nxm characters.
>favorite characters
Mercury, Hellion, x-23, Rockslide, Surge and Dust. I like Elixir in the second run, but his arc feels very done. Pixie is fun too.
>Ideal new team lineup
Depends how many characters. If we can have 10 id say the roster from the end of the book would be the choice. If it has to be smaller id like a hellions reunion maybe subbing laura for Kevin (he went way too evil lol). If its integrating with a main team, maybe doing a half mentor half mentee one would be a lot of fun!
>Ideal run
616 wisethem working as an underground team helping young mutants to play on the whole angstier stuff they've had post decimation, sorta being a rival/youth team to contrast with he main x-men.
>Favorite Dynamics
Too many to pick. Rockslide and Anole are an absolute highlight. In general hellion's dynamic with his teammates
>Ideal Relationships
I still ship laura and julian, so id like to see that done seriously ngl.
>Runs
The first run was solid, but its funny how the hellions mini made the "bad" bullies so much more likeable. I think the kyle/yost run focused on the better characters really well but it needed to be longer, and young x-men if you count it was atrocius
Agreed mostly
Oh yeah also as much as I love it, it is a bit lame some of the more interesting plots from weir/philipes got dropped, like the squad system. Even if it got very little attention originally.
Such a good lineup.
I want to stick my fist into Anole's reptilian green boypussy
You know this would be a great story and team if only the writers would get over their fear of using Hellion!
It seems that was white, since hellion is in the new nyx and all. Interview wise at least.
So...the retconned apocalypse away from a hairless grey skinned hulk who was raised from childhood as a warrior poet of a fremen type tribe that fought for survival in the worst beast and monster infested portions of egypt and was never respected till he became the strongest of all...
...
Too an effiminate semitic homosexual twink with a hitler youth haircut.
GODDAMN they could not have fricked apocalypse up worse if they tried.
Nah that was his teen clone.
Apparently they did retcon him somewhat during Krakoa, though, because of course.
Evan or apocalypse?
Apocalypse, they made up some bullshit about a family instead of the "survival of the strongest" phylosophy.
Yeah the wife and the horseman right? That was so stupid.
been so long since i last saw this format
It fits them tho doesnt it?
idk i dont read x-men, i opened this thread for the kinda hot blue chick
Surge?
Surge and the Hellions would be a good band name.
Metal as frick. Also hellion should have kept the sick jacket.
Yess
Who's everyone's least favorite character from that generation?
I really disliked icarus.
Dust is such a hack idea.
Icarus and Wither, personally.
Prodigy's power was always so dang boring.
Match.
He had no characterization at all.
Even Onyxx was the pissed-on-myself-other-rock-guy that Selene’s people killed.
Name one thing about Match. You can’t.
He has fire?
Why did they make onyx wet the bed?
Someone was a pissgay.
wasn't he an actual little kid?
Yeah he had the body of a been golem but he was actually only 12 years old.
the wolf kid. complete wimp.
Oh right they made another wolf mutant.
Weird how they picked up that character from a Chamber mini-series of all places.
Guys listen up! Dust is suffering from a genetic disorder that is slowly killing her, she needs a fresh dose of healthy proteins from healthy male donors of all ages.
Please form a line..
I’m glad House of M showed that if circumstances were different, Dust would totally be a bigger Muslim bawd than Monet.
>implying she isn't already
Current continuity Dust is pure.
She might even be the only Academy X virgin left besides Ernst.
>only Academy X virgin left besides Ernst.
Imagine living in the most degenerate place and time of all history and still not getting laid. Haha i can't imagine that at all actually! ;_;
feeding applejack a carrot.jpg
I wonder who took Trance’s virginity?
Didn't she frick Elixir after he killed someone with his powers?
That was Loa, not Trance.
Of course,
Ah right, i guess we can just assume it was Gambit. He is the sex ed teacher after all.
It was me.
Chamber?
They interacted??
No me the random anon!
Maybe she fricked icarus there?
Hey! When did she get that tan?!
You could pretty much read up until Second Coming and consider it a finale. There were maybe a couple decent events or arcs right afterwards, but I'm not sure anything really worthwhile was made since ~~*bendis*~~ showed up.
You could argue generation Hope was the first real issue with them getting too big an overlap, and then aaron and bendis kinda cemented it.
I mean, yeah like I said, there were maybe a couple decent things for X-Men in general. Not sure if Necrosha was after Second Coming, Curse of the Mutants was arguably decent, but nothing much comes to mind.
Schism was Aaron, right? Just another franchise he shat all over
How fast will the new era crash and burn?
One year then rebooted for 3-5 years.
Brevroot plans to make everyone a mutant so he can have Spider-Man and his cast and all the avengers under his umbrella
Idk, there seems to be enough big writers and artists behind it to make it last a bit. It also depends how many people alieanted during krakoa it manages to get.
Maybe. I'm unsure.
This team seemed really cool when I read Messiah Complex, but knowing that their story didn't really go anywhere and they've spent the last few years mostly being background characters makes it difficult to get invested. The X-Men franchise is a graveyard of abandoned "young generation" characters who no longer get developed.
>The X-Men franchise is a graveyard of abandoned "young generation" characters who no longer get developed.
yea and I've given up hope on anything good happening with them any time soon. at this point I've just given in and started writing a fanfic so I can be happy about them
Well we have NYX all about at least 4 rn.
and I don't have high hopes for it.
What that image where Scott welcomes another set of The Next Generation of Mutants?
The max's guy art. Its fine. It does show how up to the academy x guys it made enough sense, but by generation hope there was no real narrative hope.
what image
waitingforthetrade was the source of all them btw.
>2010 was 14 years ago
god damn I hate the sliding timescale.
Time sucks.
I do think the sliding timescale hurts the X-men much more than other characters, because it makes it increasingly absurd to see their situation when compared to the Civil/Equal Rights movements they are supposed to parallel. In the same ten year timespan that being Gay or Lesbian went from being essentially illegal to being able to get married and became publicly accepted, Mutants went through like 4 genocides. Where race relations have been on a sharp upward trend for the last half century in real life, in the comics they've gotten steadily worse. Days of Future Past wouldn't even have to be written as a dark future timeline at this point, it could just happen in the present. It just makes it increasingly farcical.
You know what would be a good narrative? Mutants are more accepted now so now there's another "other" group in the MU, one which some mutants are just as prejudiced against as humans were to them prior.
Wasn't that what they already tried to do with the big Inhumans push?
Halfway, it didnt work cause mutants were again at extintion's door and super discriminated against, and the new-inhumans were far too similar to them narratively
Did the dumbass White ever give a reason why he hated the characters?
Are the Stepford Cuckoos considered polyamorous now since they all dated Cable?
Wind Dancer is also going to be in the Dazzler miniseries.
How kinky is Pixie?
She’s bisexual.
She was a voyeur as she stood right by Loa and Mercury and watch them start to have sex.
Back on Utopia, she literally dreamed of fricking the much older and adult Cyclops, one of her teachers.
It’s hinted at that eventually she’ll grow up to be an even bigger bawd than her two older sisters Martinique and Regan.
Then it is my solemn duty to tame this bawd.
Imagine fricking her and she releases her hypno dust and you look up and you're in /mlp/.
Boner death.
I'd just keep fricking her until my balls are dry.
No, she's just too pure to understand the lewd part of two girls holding hands
I just want to give Pixie loving sex.
Go for it.
You're right anon.
>She’s bisexual.
Hey remember the implication that she was dating Jubilee back when she became a vampire? They should've kept that going. She also almost kissed Nico in Runaways.. Pixie may have a thing for asian girls.
What with jubilee???
Yeah, it was kind of ambiguous. They were at a restaurant together when Jubes got turned and she was referred to as her girlfriend when she went to talk to her in the Wolverine and Jubilee mini later on but it wasn't entirely clear if it was meant in the sense that they were dating or just besties.
But then the writers had them date each other in the alternate reality in Secret Wars.
That seemed to be the friend kinda girlfriend that women use. But them even being friends is kinda out of nowhere no?
Wait when?
In one of the Secret War: Runaways miniseries.
Wrong, she had no reaction to Nico trying to lesbian her, not even a blush. Girl hugging girl is simply not sexual to her
Imagine Pixie showing you a positive pregnancy test and telling you to take responsibility.
what if the baby comes out looking like its grandfather Mastermind?
That's fine.
If Pixie wants to be a mom I say let her be a mom.
You're weird, are you a woman or a man pretending to be a woman?
I just want to impregnate my mutant waifu.
Sounds alright to me
Like her shyly showing you the test and saying that she missed her period.
Cute
Asking you if you want her to keep the baby or not. Telling you she won't blame you if you don't want to.
>getting involved with the wyngarde family
just frick my shit up
It's a risk I am willing to take.
Wolverine one worked because of the good chemistry between the characters and it was before MHA but all the others are MHA rip offs. And also marvel forgot that they've done this before in like 1980 with new mutants which is like the best version of the academy of mutants concept.
This is fiction.
But If you think about it, Krakoa was a mutant pedo’s paradise.
No age of consent limits.
It’s encouraged to “Make More Mutants.”
Teen mutant girls are generally good looking.
Little bawd
I find it hard to believe that Surge has remain chaste since she and Prodigy broke up.
But who would she be fricking with?
Procuipine guy.
Surge and Prodigy still frick on the low. Prodigy has to keep her as the side piece so he doesn't fumble the double-dip diversity bag.
If that were true, wouldn’t Surge want to be fricked by Prodigy and Speed at the same time?
Is prodigy just into people with superspeed?
Surge has incredibly low self-esteem and was ready to burn down the entire team to keep David safe. She's ok being his closeted side-piece because that's all she thinks she deserves.
But now they’re in two different comics.
Prodigy is in NYX.
Surge is in X-Force.
Eventually the emeritus will have Surge get with a separate character.
You never know. Look at Frenzy. The only person she's gotten with since Age of X was a Skrull that would shapechange into Cyclops so she could get off.
She did when?
She started a thing with Paibok in SWORD
There's nothing saying that he shapeshifted into Cyclops except headcanons
Ah i see.
A totally plausible extremely likely headcanon.
She's been carrying this torch for over a decade now.
Damm. So she wants to do step son stuff with cable?
>azn coalburner
everyone with a dick got wet
Who tho
>Pixie
Bring the bat.
I HATE THAT HEDGEHOOOOG
Anyone have any Pixie green text ideas?
Pixie telling Madrox she knows he likes young girls because of Layla Miller.
She then tells him being with some of his dupes isn’t cheating. But that she wants the experience.
Dupe gangbang?
Yes.
Though I’m sure she mind another female joining in. Like Loa or Armor.
I'd go with Armor personally.
Is it true Pixie, young Cable and Armor slept together on Krakoa?
I keep reading posts saying they went out on a throuple.
That was a tracy scoops comic
It’s based off of Young Cable #1, where he did in fact imply sex between the 3 of them.
Tracy Scops decided to show what happened off panel.
> young cable
Barf
Did it? I totally forgot.
You could as well say there was implied sex between Pixie and Glob
No.
Glob had sex with Moonstar, Karma and Boom Boom.
Sex the Pix
I won't just sex her, I'll impregnate her!
How many of them have been hit with the gay bat?
Anole, Mercury, Bling, Prodigy, Pixie, any else I'm missing?
>bling
agressive ghetto lesbian since day 1
>anole
always intended to be gay. got saved from being a gay suicide by yost.
>prodigy
made bi gillen, young avengers, made an effette gay by x-factor
>mercury
made bi by spurrier, way of x, out of character when she was obsessed with being a normal teenager.
>loa
bi by spurrier, she banged exilir. pretty sure she couldn't live on land anymore?
>pixie
town bicycles don't have sexual orientations.
Wasnt bling bi?
nah. never, i think she's the first openly lesbian xchar iirc. but i don't remember exactly when karma came out.
>Indra got sniped in the last Pride special
wot?
Indra verified as gay in this months Pride Special.
>Indra verified as gay in this months Pride Special.
of course.
It’s been hinted at that every member of the Academy X Alpha Squadron which Northstar and then Karma led were set to be queer. So they were:
Anole
Indra
Kidago
Network
Loa
Rubbermaid
So I wouldn’t be surprised if background characters Network, Kidago and Eubbermaid are revealed to be queer soon too.
i think I read the whole defilippis blog and I'm not sure I ever read that
I know Defillipppis intended to turn Anole into a walking PSA after having him kill himself over "gay mutant" bullying.
so Northstar and Karma brainwashed those kids to be gay?
You could just say it was Karma’s evil twin brother Tan (that was just in her subconscious) that did it.
A lot of fans think he’s the reason Karma went queer.
I doubt it though. The girl was brutally raped alongside her mother in the open by male pirates while her father was forced to watch and killed off. Her mother raped to death. All while her baby siblings were in a corner and crying..
That would make any young girl go lezzie.
The frick
>The frick
Claremont based Karma’s origins on real events that happened to “Boat People” the immigrants that fled Vietnam on rickety boats, that most were attacked by pirates.
Meant for
I think Bling! being bi was what Milligan intended and was referenced on Wikipedia but I don't think it was in the books, except for one scene where she was attracted to Hellion in Age of X
Either way Karma came out before her.
Indra was part of a group of students Wolverine gathered to get a wedding present for Mystique. It was implied he only grabbed the gay ones
And then at the end Indra gave Anole a rose
>It was implied he only grabbed the gay ones
that's now how I interpreted it eh.
Doesnt that count?
Age of X was an altered reality and everyone's personality and histories were different
Feral and Tempo were implied to be together there
Iceman and white Psylocke too
And it was the only reference. Every book afterwards pretty much wrote Bling! as Full Gay
>Wolverine gathered to get a wedding present for Mystique
Argh, FRICK this coffee shop fanfic bullshit.
>pretty sure she couldn't live on land anymore?
I think her whole connection and possibly being related to Namor has been forgotten entirely at this point which is a shame. It would be nice if someone picked that up again.
Namor s x ties got really forgotten.
>made bi by spurrier, way of x, out of character when she was obsessed with being a normal teenager.
Mercury was bi since Brian Wood's X-Men series in 2013, where Bling bullied her into dating her.
Though arguably there already were not so subtle hints in the Pixie Strikes Back miniseries.
Weren’t there hints of Armor being bi too in Pixie Strikes Back?
Yeah, they pretty much all came off quite touchy and flirty with each other.
Anything else from that book?
It's a cute book. Wish they'd make another mini series like that.
Who wrote it?
Judging by that page, Kathryn Immonen.
Weird, I thought it was one of Kyle/Yost's side books. Maybe I'm getting it mixed.
Wasnt that the artist?
yeah you don't know what skinship is. not every touch is sexual for girls, that's just for men
Yeah, NGL, that being said, if any character had to be hit with the bisexual stick, I would've honestly thought Hellion and/or Elixir. Those two honestly had a lot of great chemistry.
If I recall, Hellion and Laura were endgame material.
Honestly, I would hope. They did seem to building towards a retread of the Logan/Scott/Jean shit with Laura being the Wolverine, Nori being the Scott and Julian being the Jean, at least prior to Messiah Complex.
Honestly though, I fricking loved the Julian/Laura stuff where the whole thing was Julian realising how important his friends were, becoming protective and Laura falling in love with the hero she was seeing Julian gradually become.
Not really. Hellion and Laura were barely together, it was more the fandom and the shipping than anything else.
Yeah i would agree. As would yost.
Yost still considered it his x-men OTP years after the book ended, so I would definitely say it was intended to be. It also filled traditional x-men relationship checkboxes.
I mean even after messiah complex, during x-force its surge and laura with the hurt julian. And she clearly still cares (and kimura calls him her boyfriend).
They still didn't bother to write an actual relationship into the comics. Furtive glances, jealousy, and sexual frustration make sense for a stupid YA book but they never came close to anything like an actual relationship before the book got cancelled.
I mean yost said he'd still want to write it so idk. And rushing the relationship would have been really ill advised with some of the view around laura at the time. And they had an entire adventure together in mercury falling, and both of them getting advice from other characters. Probably should have bitten the bullet and write it as a relationship quicker but the intent was definitely there..
The whole thing is the build up to their dynamic. It was honestly interesting, cute and at times weird seeing Laura realise she was catching feelings and Julian realizing he's into women who can kick his ass
nah there was a lot unsaid in that pair. they had the hint of something, but nothing clear. laura did not talk about it and hellion was too busy on the utopia frontline
the relationship was more or less aborted before it started, not that i couldn't have breaken up naturally. but liu was just too assmad about not being able to ship gambit with laura so he just ruined it.
It was defintely being built up during new x-men. Aftrerwards it got a bit dropped. And liu really dropped it. But I think had bendis not come along it would have gotten revisited sooner.
Yeah, Bendis then stripped out all her personality and turned her into a generic action girl for Angel to sleep with because he hadn't done anything of note with Warren
Bendis inititally seemed to be setting her kid cyclops which while its not great I could have seen working? But then once cyclops was removed he had to justify keeping warren in the present and give laura something to do. he never got her personality tho.
Taylor for what is worth while he skipped over nearly all development for laura seemed to want to do something with hellion but only gave crumbs cause he didn't want to break up her and angel to avoid her feeling sad.
How would the x-books have looked like if bendis didn't come in?
Better.
>I always heard/thought it was more due to liu having had a bad breakup since the first arc
That... does explain the book losing steam after a while.
It didn't do it any favors that the book was working with a shit status quo. If I recall Wolverine was in literal hell so he could be replaced and they were pushing that Lady Sinister.
I always heard/thought it was more due to liu having had a bad breakup since the first arc (which put hellion in a decent light) and thus taking it out on the character,t hat and the fact she wanted laura to be a-list so she couldn't be tied with a youngin x-men. Could be both. Honestly while there's bits I like the liu run came at the worst possible time for laura's development and stifled a lot of potentially great stuff.
i think you are projecting hard because i see absolutely nothing sexual in that.
>wood's 2013 x-men
that explains things kek, i dropped out with bendis and watxm effectively screwing utopia up.
>town bicycle
that's called a promiscuous pansexual. "no orientation" sounds like asexual
I suppose.
Indra got sniped in the last Pride special
Also Greymalkin and Spectre from the Corsairs
No Girl as well. She goes by Cerebellum now with her new body.
Loa.
Armor.
Oh she got a body, good on her.
Loa, Specter, No-Girl, Armor
Armor??
Does armor even count as a nxm?
I would say she came up through that era, so yeah. Although she's probably the most successful one
She was a junior sidekick who debuted in the main book. It's like counting Kitty as a new mutant.
And tbh. I think Pixie and Laura show up more often.
>Although she's probably the most successful one
Ehhhhhhhhhh
she's a NXM, yeah. adopted into the cast after her introduction in astonishing.
Yes
>Since the writers behind the new NYX mentioned the academy X stuff being a big inspiration as well as 4 characters from it being big characters in it
I'm skeptical, absolutely nothing the author produced hints he knows how to do a teen or YA/post-teen/"ohshiti'm20" book and the specific character and title choices sounds like it's gonna be a shitty political comic about how cool it's to be a NY shitlib a la khamala khan.
>hopes for the new book
them actually interacting with each other
>favourite character
all of them but pixie holds a special place
but none shine alone tbh
>Favorite dynamics
anole+santo, hellion+laura, the hellions+kevin,mercury+the nxms
>Ideal run
either continuing right where NXM ended without x-force taking laura away or right after schism as the pstd gang.
>Ideal relationships between them
i don't care who but someone REALLY needed to give mercury a hug. prodigy and surge should have given it a final talk
>Thoughts on their runs
Deflillipis couple had nice ideas and a pretty great performance but was too ambitious for it's sales numbers (they had like 8 minis planned wtf).
K&Y was way more "pop" in the 2000s edge sense but they book was a great in-between and mood setter for the messiah trilogy. X-Force is a lowkey NXM book and laura was at her best here.
Messiah Trilogy+X-Men Legacy had great character moments for the less known Morrison and DeFilippis kids.
On layman's terms they only really had two runs but they had a lot of appearances between NXM and Schism and almost all were great. Then you don't see them until Krakoa.
Krakoa X-Factor was giving them the respect they deserved and Spurrier's Nightcrawler book was good before Inferno meme'd up his plans.
Thoughts on young xmen?
Pretty good and the two introductions are nice, but it was way too disconnected from what was going on at the time. outside the original chars (of which only one survives) the book simply had nothing to say.
I mean they did reference the prior stuff with them like academy x and the kyle/yost run so some good will?
Id be shocked if they dont interact given that outside of kamala these people know each other and they talked about it. Also id be shocked if they have a book with laura and julian and dont have them interact at all.
And huh why is pixie excluded?
Fantastic dynamics all around. Maaybe save the kevin one, nothing terrible there.
Yeah au wise id love those.
Huh i know some of the ideas but not all. I like the book but i feel there's a lot of stuff where it just felt like maybe they made them too antagonistic within the new mutants who knows.
I do think they made the characters feel very much like real people and did keep enough leivty in the book.
I thought legacy was pretty bad at just using them for props for the older x-men, and hte hellion thing while it had potential got wasted and just made all the adults look like self centered hypocrites.
Did it? X-factor had prodigy kinda off and didnt feature them outside of one arc. And spurrier made the really weird mercury as a psycho characterization. And obviously the era killed santo.
I thought it was one of the worst x-men runs lol.
Also forgot, but i agree that x-force was sort of a continuation, I would say it was the last time laura was written without issues, not necessarily the best, her and elixir where a bit too isolated. I really wish kyle and yost's run had continued nxm wise.
I’m not surprised they turn them LBGTQ.
I think Rachel Summers is the last major X-Man Marvel will turn queer. (I already consider Kitty and Magik outed)
So I think they’ll turn a lot of the new generation going forward.
(Sorry Storm fans. She’s way to important to get only saddled with Yukio.)
WAKATTENDAYO
what?
>mutant named dust
>IT'S A FRICKING MIDDLE EASTERN SAND PERSON STEREOTYPE
if disney flexes this twitter will never shut the frick up about it
She’s already on X-Men 97
>first black mutant
>sunspot
>first south-east asian character
>karma
>first native american character
>killed off in second appearance
>female gypsy
>scarlet witch
>fat mutant
>blob
You forgot to mention the Irish character Banshee
>first black mutant
>SUNSPOT
Isnt...storm first?
people keep saying storm wasn't originally supposed to be black. don't think about it
But she's from africa, she was black. She had blue eyes but the german nightcrawler was blue.
I mean I guess technically she was originally an alien wienerrum designed for Legion of Superheroes??
I thought I was a big Storm fan but she’s got some crazy shooters out there
yeah sure, but we're talking about twitter. they're not going to be able to list off what you just listed because they only care about reactions and emojis. they don't read comics
>first black mutant
>sunspot
>Black
sunspot is a brazilian mutt from hight são paulo aristocracy, he is not black.
Black mom white dad, if I remember correctly. The dad came up out the mud and became a rich businessman.
I mean black dad white mom.
He's a black paulista, always was, are you blind?
He's still not the first.
I mean, sure. Storm may be all mixed or whatever, but she's still black, wouldn't be surprised if we're forgetting someone else too.
Roberto is from Rio, not SP
Wait, so it's just his dad that's from SP?
Don’t look up the original idea for her power
Ah morrison.
Nice fanart
It was an actual cover
Huh from?
They were cute, i miss them.
Same.
It's interesting seeing it still has shippers despite liu.
Mercury would be perfect for a book like X-Force.
Ansolutley
She's too moral tbh.
Yeah, but she also can get pretty vicious when needed, so a book where her morals and principles are put to the test would be the most interesting place for her.
I can see it maybe
I hate Kwannon, she's always trying to be overly edgy and poetic like a fat frick redditor.
That was betsy tho.
I realize now she's just as bad an i only gave her a pass because of childhood faps.
Betsy had good moments too and good dynamics. Kwanon is just a bore.
How long before the new student in Excellent X-Men are fodder?
Not too long, especially if they are putting the prior gens in more fo a spotlight.
cool art bro
What it still has hot chicks.
No they're all adjusted for body positivity. And the artstyle is boring as frick, it looks like AU corporate art.
Idk only one I can see that is Dust and the cuckoos. And they're pretty good designs.
The frick
Oh no Shadow King took over again
You know what.
Out of all the weird shit that Claremont did to the characters, I’m going to say that was the weirdest.
Karma... had a particularly hard life.
Did we ever actually see her perform duties as Xavier’s secretary?
Wouldn't know, was that a Krakoa or 2000s thing?
Original New Mutants thing. Karma was 19 and an adult so she wasn’t Xavier’s student. But she needed income to support herself and her two younger siblings, so she became Charles’s secretary, while the other New Mutants (and Kitty) had classes.
Oh wow, I really gotta read the early run. Derp.
Thats where Claremonts idea of the secret Roman Town in brazil.
Honestly, some of Claremont’s ideas were absolutely nuts. Im glad Marvel didn’t go through with his original idea for Mr Sinister
Oh yeah thank god.
I'm reading Krakoan age and every book is so bad. I hate all of it.
I tried so hard to like this shit.
Which xmen stuff you like?
i wrote 2 entire 2000+ char posts and deleted them. I guess i'll just answer your question by saying i liked the quiet times more. This shit is just OC donut steel on crack.
Frickit i'm out.
Quiet times. So 00s? Idk it's a bit broad as a descriptor.
>00s
>quiet times
Nah, sounds more like the 60s or 90s.
Relative. It was decidedly reducing the scope.
Huh any particular stuff ? I don't disagree but it's mostly the base idea and wasting my favorites. There's some solid in a vacuum stuff there.
>hopes for the new book
That they get written well and not just as "the whiny entitled kids" like they were throughout the entirety of JDW's run as editor (I'm 90% sure he was so pissy that they had fans and people wanted to see them instead of his lol quirky characters).
>Favorite characters
Hellion, Prodigy, Surge, Elixir, Laura, Pixie, Dust and Rockslide.
>Ideal new team lineup/inclusions in other x-men teams
Honestly, I would've loved to have seen Hellion, Surge and Elixir on the main X-Men teams. I also think that tbqh, that Prodigy would've been a great choice for black ops teams and X-Club.
>Ideal run for them
I had one idea for the Krakoa era which no one would've liked, which was how these kids still have PTSD, being on a magic island didn't erase that and they were disturbed about how casually death was being treated/who the X-Men were now in bed with.
>Favorite dynamics
Honestly? All members of the Hellion squad in general have the most interesting dynamics with the rest of their group. It was honestly the most interesting part of the DeWeir run that these "bully" kids were genuinely friends and would stick up for each other. I also generally think that Julian and Nori, especially towards the end of the run have a massively underrated dynamic, with Julian gradually respecting her as a leader/following her lead.
>Ideal relationships between them
Honestly? I just want them to have interactions with each other again.
>Thoughts on their runs
The DeWeir stuff was basically riding on the popular trends of anime/Harry Potter and I enjoy it for what it is. I honestly enjoy the Childhood's End stuff the most, because I feel like KYOST got to explore the aspects of the remaining characters that DeWeir didn't want to for whatever reason. Carey only has brief go's on them but they are honestly underrated as frick and I enjoy them for what they are.
>That they get written well and not just as "the whiny entitled kids" like they were throughout the entirety of JDW's run as editor (I'm 90% sure he was so pissy that they had fans and people wanted to see them instead of his lol quirky characters).
but during his tenure they actual had roles instead of being wallpapers like they were since avx.
Yep and they were turned into the whiny kids who would always get under the X-Men's feet, with an entire section of that godawful X-Men disassembled storyline being how they get under the X-Men's feet/get in the way and should've let the X-Men handle things, with Santo getting called Vic, no one having any idea of their personalities and Anole getting a "I want a cure for being a mutant" plot.
Yeah, it bugged me so much because... well, there was a lot there for this generation of kids in Krakoa's status quo. You'd just have to break away from everyone being totally into Krakoa and having a degree of personality and friction with the setting.
Beyond the connection you have with Nimrod, you have the interesting as frick thing with how because of Xavier and Magneto's schemes (due to Hickman's nonsensical retcons) the two old men have irreversibly fricked up these collection of teens and shown them that their only true value was to die for the "great cause" of Krakoa.
The moment I knew that Krakoa was doomed to be boring as shit was when Elixir reacted to Santo's death like "Oh, this is weird" rather than having a full-on breakdown like he did at the start of Childhood's End because one of his friends had died again and he was unable to save him.
The problem with hickman is that he's a big concept writer who doesn't really do much research into specific characterization. That's fine in AU stuff (Ultimates, USM) or if his chosen characterizations match (FF), but with x-men it..led to a lot of problems
Oh yeah, it's why Krakoa was so boring. Hickman was so focused on stuffing a lot of Dune ideas into X-Men without thinking about if and how they could fit, turned characters into powersets and/or archetypes and deliberately seemed to move away from any interpersonal conflicts between people who should actively hate each other.
Yeah, my biggest conspiracy with White is that he's really into quirky and frictionless/easy character interactions. All of the X-Men stuff under his tenor seemed to incredibly devoid of any real interpersonal conflict between team members. I think the reason he dislikes the New X-Men is that they are inherently angsty as shit.
Morrison wrote Kid Omega and holy shit, that character is genuinely a cancer for the X-Men comics, as he's just become either a self-insert for guys like Aaron or Percy or an uwu damaged boy.
>Morrison wrote Kid Omega and holy shit, that character is genuinely a cancer for the X-Men comics
not morrison's fault. his kid omega was literally just a kid with a bone to pick and acting out because his parents told him he's adopted.
they brought him back in a mini then he got shelved until aaron's shitheap watxm deaged him and assasinated his character.
Oh yeah, but I bet the only reason Aaron brought him back is because he's a Morrison fanboy.
But yeah, the original point of Kid Omega was that he was... kinda just a massive piece of shit with a lot of power. The whole joke of the original story was that Quire was this spiteful little shit with nothing meaningful to say, has no real goals beyond getting laid and was just a massive dork who no one would like.
Aaron and the rest turned him into the whole power fantasy that Morrison was mocking.
this is the kind of character you have to be a very particular kind of mentally ill to actually like.
i'm that kind of mentally ill, sadly.
so utterly fricking mentally ill. a character whose entire purpose is to be wasted potential, becoming wasted potential on a meta level. hahaha. funny. so of course you have to be wasted potential to appreciate this.
I like the original character, I'm NGL. But I liked it because Morrison and what not just ran with what a massive piece of shit he was and how absolutely no one liked him, with the Cuckoos once getting a look in his brain just went "ew!"
I just hate the character as he is now, where he's just this edgy butthole who everyone just goes along with and enables.
writers with no self awareness is what leads to that. you can't have a character who nobody likes suddenly become liked without him actually changing as a person. and truly changing as a person requires self awareness. it would be nice if he actually was allowed to change, but the status quo is terrible for anyone who's not in the right tier of popularity. if your reputation is set as being a jerk, you have to remain a jerk. even if you grow past it, you get sent right back to square one by the next writer. i hate it so much
I mean, I think you are right. Quire's whole thing is due to lack of self awareness but its much more connected to writers themselves. Guys like Aaron, Latour and Percy seem to have this whole thing of "He's just like me as a teen" and unlike peopld like Morrison who realized how much of a shithead those sorts of teens are and how empty their rebellions are, modern writers indulge their teen fantasies being edgy smart boys that everyone listens to.
EXACTLY. I was a very similar kind of awful myself as a teenager and I'm *well aware of that.* seeing a reflection of your past self in a character like him isn't the problem, the problem is lacking the self awareness to realize that it's NOT A GOOD THING.
and that's why I'm so mentally ill about the worst character in the series.
but hey, at least, unlike my teenaged self, I'm actually putting the pencil to the fricking paper about it instead of calling people slurs in the Wattpad comment sections because I feel insecure about being unable to actually write but still think my stories are better than theirs. lol. lmao.
Yeah. It's why I much prefer Hellion. Neither Deweir or Myost made bones about his immaturity and that he needed to grow up.
My favorite thing about his character was that his friendships and prospective romance were that they were based on his positive qualities and his immaturity actively sabotaged them.
I honestly think they confused Quentin and hellion up. I mean apparently wca literally was intended to have Julian and Laura before white had them swap it for quire and gwenpool. Which explains the dynamic far more.
On this, I don't think it's confused. White is a guy who seemingly likes quirky lol so random characters which Quire has def become with his 'hilarious' shirts and being a c**t.
White seems to appeal to the internet crowd in general with his whole ukele songs and he might genuinely might go down as one of Marvel's most incompetent editors next to Bob Harass
>All of the X-Men stuff under his tenor seemed to incredibly devoid of any real interpersonal conflict between team members.
eh he gave the ok to both new mutants and hellions book, arguably the best books of the original batch
>morrison introduces an unlikeable shitkid that they keep pushing
Must be another weekend already
Plus again white wasnt very subtle about the fact he disliked them, with even breevort saying so now lol
>I had one idea for the Krakoa era which no one would've liked, which was how these kids still have PTSD, being on a magic island didn't erase that and they were disturbed about how casually death was being treated/who the X-Men were now in bed with.
absolutely based, x-factor almost does this but they sabotaged that run
Yeah. The big idea I had is that due to being the team that beat Nimrod, behind the Five, the Bew X-Men were top of ORCHIS' hitless, with emphasis being on how Mageneyo and Xavier's bullshit ruined these kids.. but the kids wanted to be something better
jezzus that makes a lot of sense. shame nobody picked up
White hated them, he flat out either sabtaoged them during and prior to this era with unflattering roles (surge, mercury, anole), killed (rockslide) or gave them no narrative roles (hellion)
Laura was written terribly too but she was in a lot of stuff. Pixie, dust and prodigy were written fine.
white did not write any of those books, he only approves them and that's mostly about what the author is pitching.
he may say he hates them but he's he gave the ok to prodigy (and one half to the NXM gang) in x-factor and pixie (and the other half) in way of x.
Prodigy sure but the xfactor one was one arc. Pixie sure but she's gotten pushes for a while.
Also editors absolutely influence stuff which white has said he's done.
Yep and remember White changed the ending of X-Factor that his corpse was defiled by a guy named after a rl serial killer
What???
Yeah. One of the mysteries of X-Factor was that there was a gap that Prodigy couldn't account for and in that gap he died and got brought back.
Not entirely sure what Williams' plans were for Prodigy but apparently White changed her script and focused on how David's body had been defiled by a guy name after a RL serial killer who targeted black gay dudes.
Oh yeah, Krakoa was Hickman's Dune fanfic with White being too much of a starfricker and incompetent to point out that none of Hickman's grand ideas worked in the context of X-Men.
Strange
What were some issues?
Nice a new long post!
Yeah hopefully! It seems like its a book focused from their POV so there's potential.
Good choices.
I feel they could work, maybe elixir is too support for a main team. Then again in a main team they'd need someone to bounce off from, so idk either their respective mentors or laura would have to be for sure in. And huh, you'd have thought they would have put prodigy in x-force at one point.
I could see that working, the problem is that krakoa made everyone too chill with the situation.
Agreed the hellions were best.
Oof lol.
Agree mostly, outside of carey idk that run felt too much like rouge and a bunch of extras to me.
I always thought Laura would prefer to date guys older than her by a few years, with Synch out of the picture who would be a good pairing, Sunspot?
She's pretty consistently into pretty boys. And laura and julian are sharing a book for the first time since 2013 (unless you count future widowed laura from taylor).
she needs to somehow get into Jason Todd's universe
She is basically just marvel's cassandra cain. There's...a lot of similarities even down to character dynamics.
Didn't Cass come first? Did Marvel just copy dc?
Maybe, some seem coincidental, some dont.
Hellion is in NYX? He's not on the cover.
He asked in an interview and the writers did a long spiel on him while saying they couldn't say in the way people use it when the thing is in it and breevort basically said he isn't white so he's gonna use those characters with the specific example of hellion having been the question.
should they have done a mini with Laura going to one or all the older psychic ladies with questions about sex?
Laura might have unresolved trauma from her time as a sex worker, she likes boys her age but doesn't know how to move forward, she has alot more sexual experience then her classmates but no social skills, talks to Emma, Jean, or Betsey to dive in her head and work on it.
Honestly doing minis to bridge the gap between nxm/x-force laura to solo ongoing laura and that to and would not be a bad idea to try and fix it.
>emma
She's just going to say she cant frick her special boy.
Emma was caring by scaring away Kimura, plus Emma is an actual sex therapist. Jean is everyone's mommy and Laura looks up to Betsy
Yeah but laura shouldnt trust her.
Emma erased everyone's mind after that event with the alt reality and the tower, but she let Pixie keep a few memories
Which one?
Age of X, most people wanted the memories of that other life time erased
Because her AoX counterpart had vastly different experiences and trauma than Pixie, her personality was accordingly different and even her powers manifested differently.
The fairy wings transformed Bat Wings, her hallucinogenic dust created more terrifying illusions and could kill people through the shock
Apparently when Pixie returned to regular 616 she had bouts where the Nightmare memories resurfaced and her fairy wings would transform into Bat wings, kinda like a Hulk's split personality transformation
Pixie said she didn't want to remember it all but she did like being Nightmare a little, who was kinda wild and fun and mature.
So Emma carefully edited most of it out but let Pixie keep some of the edge
AFAIK she hasn't transformed into Nightmare since or used any of those powers
Who's madder?
>sex worker
They're called hookers, dude.
Xavier should have left for space in early 90s
Magento should have retired in Genosha in the late 90s
Director Summers should have opened the Xavier Institute up as a school to bridge the gap as the old guard were gone.
The next generation should have cribbed from Harry Potter’s zeitgeist and been superhero + school.
>The next generation should have cribbed from Harry Potter’s zeitgeist and been superhero + school.
morrison set this up but then sabotaged it so hard quesada literally genocided mutantkind
You know they had to get this from Soft Serve.
Where..does it come from?
Last page of the Onslaught Revelation (the finale of Way of X).
i want Elixir to have relevancy i want to see him use his harm powers more
Mercury for sex.
I hate winged bastion.
Guys i fell off of reading comics some time in 2022 and want to get back into X. what the frick happened to Krakoa? should I wait for these new books or just read krakoan era cause frick it? literally what’s goin on
Krakoa fell, the mutants who survived had to fight a war against Orchis
Many of the mutants who died in the initial stages of the war were resurrected and have now gone back to Earth
With Krakoa gone the mutants who lived there have scattered and have to find new places to live and reintegrate into human society
They can't go back to the Mansion either because it's currently prison
Krakoa was so ass
you fell off at the right time, nothing good has been published since. wait to see what brevoort is cooking before starting again.
Krakoa's done now. You chose the perfect time, it means you don't have to play catch-up
Krakoa really wasn't the best for newcomers. I guess it was self-contained in some ways, but it also had a lot of deep cuts and a lot of just plain old convoluted nonsense, and newcomers who were expecting some classic X-Men action (like me) ended up feeling pretty put off by it.
name my band, sad mutant edition
The hellions are such a metal name.
Kino lineup
Who was the artist?
Paco medina i think?
What happened to cool well edited comic music videos?
I miss them.
Any other unmade stories for this generation?
https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-176/