>Mirage Raph
He is a hothead but remember his stealths skill are better than other turtles. This why Splinter chose him to sent the message to Shredder.
It's crude, you're just misremembering because you didn't know what crude meant as a kid. If you actually think about the song then lyrically then it has to be cool but crude. >Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
You start with a repeated T sound between taught and teens. >Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Then you have a repeated L followed by a repeated D. >Raphael is cool but crude
This is the disputed part, and wouldn't you know it, being crude makes it follow the trend of alliteration with the repeated C. >Michelangelo is a party dude
This is where the alliteration breaks and the section ends, but it still works because you have two pairs if rhyming couplets in the section (teens/machines and crude/dude).
Cool but Rude is where the alliteration breaks, but maintains the R and R lyric containing a letter from the character's name pattern setting up for the complete pattern break on Party Dude, containing no alliteration at all.
Bishop is such a delightfully 2000's addition to the franchise. I like how this series is like a tree and you can tell what year certain characters were added by how they're like
>Bebop and rocksteady being obviously 80's punks, Casey wearing a Jason mask and being a Bernard Goetz/ DeathWish stereotype >Karai, the ninja babe badgirl straight out of 80's/90's anime influence >Venus, the requisite 90's diversity addition/shakeup
>Turtle villains are too cool for their own series.
I actually really like shredder's cameo in Big bang comics, where he's shown before the Turtles kill him and he's running the Foot Clan out of NYC. He's shown in a day-to-day light and has a life outside of the Hamato/Oroku vengeance cycle.
Similarly there's also that fan made book coming out detailing Mirage Shredder's origin and early years which I'm looking forward to.
Well, are you still at season 1? Because it really goes off the rails in season 3. Seasons 3 through 6 makes up roughly 64% of the show and they're where the show gets the cheesiest.
The problem isn't really that it's "goofy" though, it's more that the show has bad scripts and animation. Common for the time but that didn't mean it was ever really considered good. Even the first season, the one people won't ever stop defending, is rife with storytelling and production problems.
And this isn't exactly an objective problem with the show, but it does prove the laziness:
It depends what you're looking for. Mirage has a lot of soul that nothing else can really replicate. A messiness that gives it warmth. Purely in terms of story, 2k3 streamlines volume 1 in a much more focussed way. However, it diverges heavily after season 2, and while it adapts other Mirage stories from the comics it never really goes as far in the timeline (besides Fast Forward, but that's besides the point)as Mirage does, so there's a lot about it that just never got adapted or streamlined.
The thing about Mirage is that its very much an indie comic, very different from anything any turtles adaptation aims for. Its closer to something like Love and Rockets than any sort of superhero book. The biggest element of the comics is more the relationships than the action. This is especially the case for volume 4 and the second Tales series Volume 4 gets a terrible rep for one huge reason, but its interesting to see the turtles develop and age beyond just young adulthood. Tales of the TMNT volume 2 also has a lot of cool stories that go more for action that don't really get touched in adaptations, either.
Not really. Pretty much the only active fans of it are people who watched it in childhood and basically act as if the show was more action packed than it really was, to anyone else it's just another cheap 80's cartoon slapped together quickly to sell toys. Some scripts are literally recycled from other shows like Transformers and He-Man just to keep up the demand for episodes, and sometimes the animation is so bad it boggles the mind how it was allowed to air. I know some people claim they think the comedy of the show is funny but it's basically just dry quips and a running gag about the turtles eating terrible pizzas.
Honestly, just read the original comics instead. They're not flawless, they honestly feel fairly amateurish, but they have some actual passion to them and it is the actual start of the franchise.
It's not as bad as some anons say, and it's not as good as some other anons say. It's still fun if you are willing to accept the stupid. After that read TMNT Adventures for a complete package.
You know Fred Wolf tried to sue Eastman and Laird saying they actually invented the turtles? >We had a lot of people saying they created the Turtles. One guy said that God told him about the Turtles, and he didn’t act on it fast enough, and we did, so now he’s suing us. There was a guy, a street person, that Pete actually helped out a bunch of times. In one instance, he created this thing called Presidents in Outer Space that Pete drew for him. He had George Washington in a space suit — that looked like a Turtle to him! So I guess if you put a guy in a space suit, like an Apollo space suit, next to a Turtle, to him there was enough likeness that he said Pete stole the idea of the Turtles from him. He filed a suit that went on for years! Then there was Fred Wolf, the animation company, that we worked with, hired by Playmates, a work-for-hire animation studio, that basically said they created everything about the Turtles that made them such a big phenomenon. So they sued for half the royalties that we’d made in the entire history of the property. That was a big suit: millions and millions of dollars to deal with that. I mean, this guy’s deposition had stuff like “He put the Turtles in the sewer.” We put the Turtles in the sewer in issue #1. He put our character April in a jumpsuit. That was issue #2; it was ludicrous! It was phenomenal. Anybody that wanted to sue you could sue you for whatever grounds, and did!
>Ol' Hob sets off a mutagen bomb >four marine biologist get infected and mutate into sharks. >four paleontologist turn into dinosaurs
Fricking make it happen IDW.
Wow, that looks moronic.
How come they keep naming female mutants after paintings and statues and shit? They can't find some obscure female painter or sculptor?
>mish mashed mutant made up of slaughtered mutants with a fake shell, a dragon scale that keeps her alive, and one of the punk frogs arms >that looks moronic
She's not supposed to be natural.
>They can't find some obscure female painter or sculptor?
>They name the main 4 after the most well known of the renaissance painters who's work are actually still on display in major museums TODAY >The least well known by normies, Donatello, is only not as well known because Michelangelo made a slightly more famous David. >Instead of something like Artemisia they name them after the most famous works of art depicting women.
I dunno man they seem to go for the easy marks. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't know who Leonardo Da Vinchi was.
>They name the main 4 after the most well known of the renaissance painters who's work are actually still on display in major museums TODAY
Titian is much better-known than Donatello!
Someone should ask Eastman or Laird to explain that one.
>Jennika
I love that this is just such a shitty character she's not even accidentally named something a renaissance female painter would be.
Fricking Judith would've worked by accident and actually come to think of it you could do a whole betrayal subplot with that and it would probably be a lot more interesting than this godawful slog of a mutant town. Or Barbara, there was a Barbara Renaissance Painter. Clara. Louise! Lucia, even, if you wanna do an edgy one like Slash. What a shitshow the comics became after 100...
I appreciate the Venus easter egg, but thats kinda too edgy. The Turtles are neither artists.
Wow, that looks moronic.
How come they keep naming female mutants after paintings and statues and shit? They can't find some obscure female painter or sculptor?
Because Turtles are artists, Punk Frogs are "warlords" and women are art.
I tried watching the cartoon. That's some corny shit. And yes, it was season 1.
Aren't these frickers supposed to be ninjas? Why the hell are they revealing themselves to a news reporter the first chance they get? Wouldn't they want to be secretive?
He wasted that whole Pizza. Frick Raphael.
He's a rude dude anon
He wasted 7/8 of a pizza.
I'm from the DUDE Universe
Raphael is cool, but dude?
Give me a break
>Crude Raph overwrote Rude Raph
Kind of a shame. Mirage Raph is cool but 80's sarcastic raph is next to 80's mikey as the iconic turtles.
>Mirage Raph
He is a hothead but remember his stealths skill are better than other turtles. This why Splinter chose him to sent the message to Shredder.
It's crude, you're just misremembering because you didn't know what crude meant as a kid. If you actually think about the song then lyrically then it has to be cool but crude.
>Splinter taught them to be ninja teens
You start with a repeated T sound between taught and teens.
>Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines
Then you have a repeated L followed by a repeated D.
>Raphael is cool but crude
This is the disputed part, and wouldn't you know it, being crude makes it follow the trend of alliteration with the repeated C.
>Michelangelo is a party dude
This is where the alliteration breaks and the section ends, but it still works because you have two pairs if rhyming couplets in the section (teens/machines and crude/dude).
Lyrically your way makes more sense, but unfortunately the songwriter did not think that hard.
Incorrect.
Cool but Rude is where the alliteration breaks, but maintains the R and R lyric containing a letter from the character's name pattern setting up for the complete pattern break on Party Dude, containing no alliteration at all.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
I'm from the "Michaelangelo, it's a party dude" universe.
that's just straight up moronic
What the frick. I have never heard of this debate before.
I always heard it as "cool but rude", but let's split the difference and say it's "cool but lewd" so nobody will be happy.
>Splinter taught them to be horny teens
>Leonardo breeds, Donatello fricks machines
>Raphael is cool but lewd
>Michelangelo is an orgy dude
You've completly changed the tone of the song!
>Teenage Mutant Fricking Turtles
>Teenage Mutant Fricking Turtles
>TEENAGE MUTANT FRICKING TURTLES
>(turtleshavehugedicksrelativetotheirsize)
>Turtle Power!
Funnier without the fourth panel
Nah I like April being super casual about it and Irma having no idea what to say. It's funny
Wow, that's actually really impressive.
>Donatello fricks machines
>Raphael is cool but lewd
Turtle villains are too cool for their own series. Also wish we had art/incarnation of turtles with beak mouths in their designs
>Also wish we had art/incarnation of turtles with beak mouths in their designs
I hate how modern turtle designs make their faces flat and lack beaks.
>Turtle villains are too cool for their own series.
Uhm, sure? Bishop is cool as frick.
looks like somebody had an OC.
Bishop is such a delightfully 2000's addition to the franchise. I like how this series is like a tree and you can tell what year certain characters were added by how they're like
>Bebop and rocksteady being obviously 80's punks, Casey wearing a Jason mask and being a Bernard Goetz/ DeathWish stereotype
>Karai, the ninja babe badgirl straight out of 80's/90's anime influence
>Venus, the requisite 90's diversity addition/shakeup
>Turtle villains are too cool for their own series.
I actually really like shredder's cameo in Big bang comics, where he's shown before the Turtles kill him and he's running the Foot Clan out of NYC. He's shown in a day-to-day light and has a life outside of the Hamato/Oroku vengeance cycle.
Similarly there's also that fan made book coming out detailing Mirage Shredder's origin and early years which I'm looking forward to.
raph gays been REAL frickin quiet since this...
It’s rude. Evidence: he is rude and not crude.
I always heard LEONARDO LEAPS, not helped when the shot used is him jumping across rooftops. Thought his gimmick was agility.
So is Krang or Shredder in charge?
Once he gets his body way back in episode 5, Krang is in charge, although Shredder doesn’t respect or obey him consistently.
Watching 80s Turtle for the first time (only seen 2k3 and 2k12), and I'm enjoying it. The "cheesiness" of it is overblown, all things considered.
Well, are you still at season 1? Because it really goes off the rails in season 3. Seasons 3 through 6 makes up roughly 64% of the show and they're where the show gets the cheesiest.
The problem isn't really that it's "goofy" though, it's more that the show has bad scripts and animation. Common for the time but that didn't mean it was ever really considered good. Even the first season, the one people won't ever stop defending, is rife with storytelling and production problems.
And this isn't exactly an objective problem with the show, but it does prove the laziness:
This showed up on my suggested
I think the last two live action movies prove that even with fanservice, it doesn't fix a shit script
Somedays I wonder if 2K3 did Mirage better than Mirage itself, if that makes sense.
It depends what you're looking for. Mirage has a lot of soul that nothing else can really replicate. A messiness that gives it warmth. Purely in terms of story, 2k3 streamlines volume 1 in a much more focussed way. However, it diverges heavily after season 2, and while it adapts other Mirage stories from the comics it never really goes as far in the timeline (besides Fast Forward, but that's besides the point)as Mirage does, so there's a lot about it that just never got adapted or streamlined.
The thing about Mirage is that its very much an indie comic, very different from anything any turtles adaptation aims for. Its closer to something like Love and Rockets than any sort of superhero book. The biggest element of the comics is more the relationships than the action. This is especially the case for volume 4 and the second Tales series Volume 4 gets a terrible rep for one huge reason, but its interesting to see the turtles develop and age beyond just young adulthood. Tales of the TMNT volume 2 also has a lot of cool stories that go more for action that don't really get touched in adaptations, either.
is the original cartoon worth watching?
Not all of it, but some of it. The usual is, Season 1-2, skip a few all through 3-6. Then a 7-9 if you like the tone.
Not really. Pretty much the only active fans of it are people who watched it in childhood and basically act as if the show was more action packed than it really was, to anyone else it's just another cheap 80's cartoon slapped together quickly to sell toys. Some scripts are literally recycled from other shows like Transformers and He-Man just to keep up the demand for episodes, and sometimes the animation is so bad it boggles the mind how it was allowed to air. I know some people claim they think the comedy of the show is funny but it's basically just dry quips and a running gag about the turtles eating terrible pizzas.
Honestly, just read the original comics instead. They're not flawless, they honestly feel fairly amateurish, but they have some actual passion to them and it is the actual start of the franchise.
It's not as bad as some anons say, and it's not as good as some other anons say. It's still fun if you are willing to accept the stupid. After that read TMNT Adventures for a complete package.
How does a second crossover in the same tv show frick up this bad?
Thoughts on the Evil April concept art from the unmade TMNT 4?
You know Fred Wolf tried to sue Eastman and Laird saying they actually invented the turtles?
>We had a lot of people saying they created the Turtles. One guy said that God told him about the Turtles, and he didn’t act on it fast enough, and we did, so now he’s suing us. There was a guy, a street person, that Pete actually helped out a bunch of times. In one instance, he created this thing called Presidents in Outer Space that Pete drew for him. He had George Washington in a space suit — that looked like a Turtle to him! So I guess if you put a guy in a space suit, like an Apollo space suit, next to a Turtle, to him there was enough likeness that he said Pete stole the idea of the Turtles from him. He filed a suit that went on for years! Then there was Fred Wolf, the animation company, that we worked with, hired by Playmates, a work-for-hire animation studio, that basically said they created everything about the Turtles that made them such a big phenomenon. So they sued for half the royalties that we’d made in the entire history of the property. That was a big suit: millions and millions of dollars to deal with that. I mean, this guy’s deposition had stuff like “He put the Turtles in the sewer.” We put the Turtles in the sewer in issue #1. He put our character April in a jumpsuit. That was issue #2; it was ludicrous! It was phenomenal. Anybody that wanted to sue you could sue you for whatever grounds, and did!
>https://www.tcj.com/the-kevin-eastman-interview-part-i/
No wonder they were so salty about the 80's cartoon
>Ol' Hob sets off a mutagen bomb
>four marine biologist get infected and mutate into sharks.
>four paleontologist turn into dinosaurs
Fricking make it happen IDW.
Who owns these two ips?
H-hey guys...It's me...Venus.
Wow, that looks moronic.
How come they keep naming female mutants after paintings and statues and shit? They can't find some obscure female painter or sculptor?
Well she was named 30 years ago. This is just trying to retroactively justify that name.
>mish mashed mutant made up of slaughtered mutants with a fake shell, a dragon scale that keeps her alive, and one of the punk frogs arms
>that looks moronic
She's not supposed to be natural.
>They can't find some obscure female painter or sculptor?
>They name the main 4 after the most well known of the renaissance painters who's work are actually still on display in major museums TODAY
>The least well known by normies, Donatello, is only not as well known because Michelangelo made a slightly more famous David.
>Instead of something like Artemisia they name them after the most famous works of art depicting women.
I dunno man they seem to go for the easy marks. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't know who Leonardo Da Vinchi was.
>They name the main 4 after the most well known of the renaissance painters who's work are actually still on display in major museums TODAY
Titian is much better-known than Donatello!
Someone should ask Eastman or Laird to explain that one.
Yeah my favorite paintings, Jennika and Lita.
>Jennika
I love that this is just such a shitty character she's not even accidentally named something a renaissance female painter would be.
Fricking Judith would've worked by accident and actually come to think of it you could do a whole betrayal subplot with that and it would probably be a lot more interesting than this godawful slog of a mutant town. Or Barbara, there was a Barbara Renaissance Painter. Clara. Louise! Lucia, even, if you wanna do an edgy one like Slash. What a shitshow the comics became after 100...
I appreciate the Venus easter egg, but thats kinda too edgy. The Turtles are neither artists.
Because Turtles are artists, Punk Frogs are "warlords" and women are art.
I wanna finally read the Mirage comics. Should I go colored or black and white?
Black and white for sure. I personally just have a preference for B&W, but even then the colored version is all blurry and shitty looking.
I tried watching the cartoon. That's some corny shit. And yes, it was season 1.
Aren't these frickers supposed to be ninjas? Why the hell are they revealing themselves to a news reporter the first chance they get? Wouldn't they want to be secretive?
It was the 80's
Teenagers don't think that far n advance.
I swear, the games are the ones that elevated the 86 Turtles. That era was when most of the TMNT games were gold.
The movie and the toys was what made them hits.
Raph should never be like Wolverine.
Gimme a break
Frick you, RUDE is for KEKS!
Frick you OP, I'd never even thought to question this but now I can't fricking tell what they're saying anymore.
Always heard it as 'crude'.