>No prostitutes, actors or unclean tradesmen may attend
Wait, why were actors banned from Caesars funeral service?
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>No prostitutes, actors or unclean tradesmen may attend
All actors are prostitutes. All prostitutes are actors.
>The woman, whose name has been lost to time, was a mimae, a sort of silent comedian popular in the days of the Roman Empire. She’d been performing in a countryside theater to a modest crowd in Atina, expecting nothing more than a few laughs. But before she’d even left the theater, a gang of men in the audience knocked her to ground, pinned her down, and brutalized her.
>She fought for justice. She pressed charges against the men who’d attacked her and tried to use the scandal to destroy the political career of one of her rapists. But the courts of Rome just laughed at her.
>Beating, pinning down, and gang-raping an actress, the courts of ancient Rome ruled, was simply acting “in accordance with a well-established tradition at staged events.”
#MeamQuoque #FeminisCredite
You'd think a city whose founding mythos includes the mass rape of their neighbors would be more sensitive to rape.
Rape is weirdly very prominent in Roman mythology. Not to the degree that the Greeks had it, but still.
>Europa raped by Zeus
>Helen raped by Paris (in the 'carried off' term of the word. ok, technically this is Greek mythology but the Romans were all Graeciaboos anyway - see the Aeneid)
>Rhea Silvia raped by Mars (causing the birth of Romulus and Remus)
>Sabine women raped by the Romans (again in the 'carried off' way, ensuring Rome's initial growth)
>Lucretia raped by Tarquinius Superbus (leading to the founding of the Republic)
>weirdly
"Ancient man conquered cities, put them to the sword and fire, meanwhile you go to wine bar with 'gf' and enjoy tasteful banter... you are GAY!"
proper treatment of guests is a big deal in roman culture/mythology. it's less about the rape and more about the betrayal of the guest-host relationship
Deserved it.
mime pussy
imagine her trying not to make noise
Boys will be boys.
Indians are just imitating Roman behavior
can't handle the heckle, get out of the amphitheater
In anicent Rome actors, those whom imitate in public for entertainment, were considered low-class on the same social levels as hookers.
>t. I read a lot of books cause I'm gay
Interestingly enough, and probably contrary to people's expectations this also applied to gladiators, whom were seen as hunks of meat who while entertaining, were to be kept away from society and anything important. Also the Colosseum's casualty rate was pretty low for gladiators(not slaves or criminals put into it, typically they'd be arranged in fights against gladiators with the expectation for the gladiators to kill them), with a dead gladiator being the equivalent of losing a highly paid actor for a film. I really like gladiators
I wonder if there were ever eras when the gladiator's fights were predetermined like with contemporary wrestling-entertainment.
>I wonder if there were ever eras when the gladiator's fights were predetermined like with contemporary wrestling-entertainment.
I believe the stuff about the play-fights, I don't believe the stuff about the "clubbed a bunch of chained up people to death". The lugenpresse was strong even in those days.
Yeah you always have to take these kinds of stories with a grain of salt because half the time the "bad" emperors were just the emperors who pissed off the Roman aristocracy and/or persecuted Christians (which obviously became a big deal later on). This doesn't just apply to emperors known for being lunatics like Nero, Caligula, and Elagabalus, even guys generally thought of today as pretty good like Aurelian, Diocletian, and Domitian got this treatment.
>w-we were chewing laurel leaves to hide our laughter...
kek literally SEETHING
Wherever there's gambling, there's game fixing. And ancient Rome was filled with gamblers
What good books (non-fiction) about gladiators are there?
Osprey has two books on them I used as the source for my post
>probably contrary to people's expectations this also applied to gladiators, whom were seen as hunks of meat who while entertaining
I don't really believe this, they were more like rockstars and I'm sure a lot of people wanted the fame of being a good fighter
Otherwise there wouldn't be so many volunteers.
>Otherwise there wouldn't be so many volunteers
A lot of men had nothing, had massive gambling debts, were unemployable, etc. So the options were sucking dick for money, becoming a homeless beggar or becoming a gladiator
It depends on the era for fame(although we have at least one recorded instance of a Roman writing down his favorite gladiator) but the problem with the idea of them as rockstars as a whole is that they would always be ostracized and unable to partake in government(essentially every Roman's duty) or own land, property, estates, be protected by laws, etc. because of that. The spectacle had its draw because of the sheer number of people Rome incorporated at its zenith with (I think) volunteers comprising some half of them IIRC, but that's still a really low number when we consider that there were very few actual gladiators. Military service was far and wide more sensible for most people. I ironically think it was more like being a K-pop idol than conventional rockstar, because you signed away all your rights and legal status to be a gladiator.
In many cases, Roman actors actually moonlighted as prostitutes and the professions were actually seen as basically the same thing because a "professional" actor could not survive on their acting wages alone.
To go along with this, Romans more or less considered theater to be very low brow and for the unwashed masses. Unlike the greeks, Roman theater was really crude and full of dumb jokes and "action" like a fricking modern day Marvel movie or some shit. The average Roman would unironically "get" something like Spartacus more than HBO Rome because their theater was all breasts and fake blood.
As they were in pretty much every society except modern globohomo. Actors are professional liars.
In Egypt, actors are prohibited from giving testimony in court because it is assumed they would not be actors unless they could lie convincingly.
modern distribution methods of media such as film brought this level of fame and riches to them
its to be expected when you can sell the same piece to millions instead of a few hundred people that fit in a theatre
God I wish that were still the case
in any sane society, actors have the same social status as prostitutes.
They still are.
>implying every person on Cinemaphile wouldnt let harv shove his tongue up their ass in exchange for a $10 million role
Do I have to act or can I just take the money?
Read his post again moron
of course as long as it wasn't oppurtune for them to speak out, they couldn't give less of a shit
imagine an army of mid women willing to suck your dick to beat everyone else for 3 lines in a tv show.
Actors have always been considered prostitute-adjacent.
The only skill required of an actor is to be good at lying, which is not something that is admirable
The Romans knew where theater kids belonged
fricking rights
So were tradesmen allowed if they washed themselves and wore clean clothes? Or did they add the unclean part as an additional insult?
The trade was unclean, not the person.
Maybe unclean was about their trade. If you were a brick maker you could attend, but if you were a shit cleaner (a janny), you couldn't.
Unclean probably meant dodgy shit, illegal etc
no, things like tanners were unclean
This anon is correct. Tanners, any jobs dealing with corpses, prostitutes, ancient Roman sewage technicians, etc. were considered "unclean"
I guess their manliness would make the parasites look less desirable/an authority.
Would make them seem like an alternative, rather than in support of degeneracy.
It means dirty jobs, like the town shitter emptier.
>being this new
>not knowing why we call you a pleb
Fricking pleb
Acting was always a bottom-barrel career. Not a real trade. Only recently after israelites acquired so much power and television and cinema brought them to the view of all the world that they gained such notoriety.
homie, actors and musicians were famous in the past as well. But before cinema/television/internet they were obviously only famous locally.
they were always popularly famous but people above a certain class would look down their nose at them. although composers had clout in court, a popular troubadour style folk musician wouldn't
>people above a certain class would look down their nose at them
As they do with 99% of professions out there even today.
take the L stupid homie
You know I'm right and you're exaggerating this image of how actors were the lowest class in the past.
Not even close. The dude was right, while you are attempting to argue using a modern mindset regarding actors. Yes. Your favourite actors you jerk off to would have been available to do the jerking even as recently as the Weimar.
Quiet rightly.
actor worship started in the renaissance. in the middle ages “actors” were just tradesmen and townspeople putting on mystery plays to advertise the crafts of the county. it wasn’t an actual job. out of that evolved the early modern tendency to make people salaried actors like burbage, one of the first to be celebrity worshiped
in the past, actors were correctly viewed as good liars, low conmen, thieves, prostitutes, etc. it wasn't until the 1800s or so that the nobility realized they could teach them how to lie to peasants better.
by the 1900s the nobility realized the peasants wouldn't realize that actors aren't the nobility, and could stand in for them in the public imagination in case of a french revolution type situation
Caesar's funeral was even wilder in real life. It began with Antony rallying up the populace with a blooded mannequin of Caesar and finished with the attendees making a massive pyre and throwing their clothes and belongings to the fire in honor of Caesar. Caesar's opponents never recovered from that political blow that painted them as evil men who unjustly murdered the greatest leaders of his time.
ALL MOCKERY OF JANNIES AND THEIR NO PAYCHECK IS TO BE KEPT AN APPOPRIATE MAXIMUM
>start watching Rome
>expect Caesar vs Pompeius civil war kino
>6 episodes in
>nothing but scheming hags and terribly acted family drama
why the frick do people praise this show?
milf, incest and based mark antony
>based mark antony
March Antony dances and plays the cymbals in vile nilotic rites. He blackens his eyes with soot. Like a prostitute. March Antony has promised the sorceress Cleopatra dominion of all Rome!
It's a show made for adults, not children
Because back then they knew that actors are adult people acting (no pun intended) like little kids who imitate real people because they are not capable of being a productive member of society.
I mean think about it. A movie star playing a cop is paid millions of dollars while average cops who risk their lives for real earn 50k on average. Then the same actor gets it in his head he is the part of the people because he plays the roles of regular people.
Acting is cringe and they should be paid minimum wage.
>average cop makes 80k plus benefits plus pension to sit on their ass eat donuts and shoot unarmed law abiding citizens because they're cowardly homosexuals, while they let actual feral and violent law breaking Black folk steal and rape because that would mean actually doing the job the public taxes pay them for
Frick cops
>waaah cops are BAD because they're demoralized and lazy and don't want to work or put in effort at anything and feel betrayed by society just li... just.. like... me... oh my god
lmao shut the frick homosexual
>loses argument
>still mad 2 hours later
Just another sad little commie.
Bro, from your atittude I just know you don't pay taxes.
It’s wild how in modern times a lot of people idolize good actors as much as good musicians. One is a good liar and the other is exceptionally creative
They can be both, Ryan Gosling has a b***hin' rock band called "Dead Mans Bones".
good for him, but he's not a talented musician at all. he's not the first actor who decided to try their luck in music
these days "musicians" who are idolized play songs written by other people, have their music tweaked by computers, and play along with recordings at live shows. not all musicians obviously but most of the big ones are even bigger liars than your average big actor
were actors treated like shit in other ancient cultures? or was theater only a western thing?
they were prostitutes in japan as well
A western prostitute was just some slampig you paid half a shilling to frick and give syphilis to. A japanese geisha was basically the perfect host who you happened to bang
Konichiwa ken-sama
Artists and performers were very appreciated in Japan. Like the west, they were often courtesans, but they were respected much more. Many courtesans wielded significant amounts of power.
Did you know lobster used to be le prisoner food xDDD
You are not a lobster. You are still a prostitute
>Eat ze bug
YOU SHALL BE SENTENCED TO EAT LOBSTER WITH BUTTER AND LEMON FOR DINNER.
Catching lobster is difficult. Why would they waste all that effort to use it on prisoners? Especially protein. Wouldnt they just feed bread and slop to prisoners?
>Catching lobster is difficult
It didn't used to be in certain places to the point that they were pests, so they gave em to prisoners. Lobster becoming delicacy is a meme conspiracy created by big restaurants in the 1800s
Any other roman shows besides Rome and Spartacus worth watching?
Plebs, i'm not even kidding... Maximum comfy
(it even got a movie)
watched the first season of this last year, comfy is the perfect description of it. nothing mind blowing but the perfect show to just toss on after work while decompressing
Fricking Christ, I just watched this episode two days ago. Why is Cinemaphile monitoring me?
I need cute Eirene gf
they're just a different kind of prostitute
brohs, I don't know if anyone else has said it yet in this thread, but I think we should follow the romans and go back to treating actors like prostitutes. DAE agree on this? idk, it's just how I feel. freaking globohomo...
>Fucc like bvll