Why couldn't they just build, like, uhh, an aqueduct? To run the lava the whole way from mr doom to riverdell? Or to the shite? Why wouldn't that work?
it is directly addressed in the novel
they worried that if they left the ring with the eagles for too long that an eagle would kill the ring bearers then use the rings power to become "a sentinel of the sky" that would blot out the sun
same reason why they didn't leave the ring with galadriel because it would eventually corrupt her and make her into an evil queen
Is this actually in the novel? I always headcanon'd this as the primary reason, but I didn't think Tolkien ever actually acknowledged why, avoiding it more as skirting around bad story telling.
it's discussed at the round table
around the same time they discuss giving it to tom bombadil, who cannot be corrupted, but who would ultimately loose track of the ring since it's nothing to him
tom bombadil lives in a forest wherein he has the abilities to alter reality on the level as god
outside of his forest he is powerless
each year his forest shrinks a little
tom is introduced to the reader when he saves the hobbits from an old willow tree that is about to eat them
he then introduces the hobbits to his beautiful wife goldberry
this comes off as pretty wholesome on first read
buuuuuut, if you read the silmarillion, it can be deduced that tom is actually melkor, the lotr equivalent of satan, and that goldberry was made by him in that moment by destroying the old willow tree and reshaping it into something more pleasant for his visitors
tom's actual involvement in the story is so open ended however, that all interpretations are equally valid and he's a top tier character to discuss at 4am with drunk friends as a result
in short, he could have ended the conflict of the ring by willing it out of existence once it was in his forest, but he is so powerful in his forest that you might as well ask him to swat a fly for you
so he just does frick all and stays in his woods all day? are there really anything known about him and his motivations except from le heckin don't care? And why doesn't he care about the ring if he is the lotr version of satan?
2 years ago
Anonymous
tom can shape reality in his woods so he can have whatever he wants whenever he wants
he doesn't give a shit about the outside world, but he is friendly to visitors
if his is melkor, he wouldn't care about the ring because it's made from his own power and he is simply waiting for his woods to shrink to the point to where his power is no longer contained by it. you could look at the woods as being his domain or his prison.
give me a quick rundown on bombadil, from what I've heard he sounds based as frick
tom bombadil lives in a forest wherein he has the abilities to alter reality on the level as god
outside of his forest he is powerless
each year his forest shrinks a little
tom is introduced to the reader when he saves the hobbits from an old willow tree that is about to eat them
he then introduces the hobbits to his beautiful wife goldberry
this comes off as pretty wholesome on first read
buuuuuut, if you read the silmarillion, it can be deduced that tom is actually melkor, the lotr equivalent of satan, and that goldberry was made by him in that moment by destroying the old willow tree and reshaping it into something more pleasant for his visitors
tom's actual involvement in the story is so open ended however, that all interpretations are equally valid and he's a top tier character to discuss at 4am with drunk friends as a result
in short, he could have ended the conflict of the ring by willing it out of existence once it was in his forest, but he is so powerful in his forest that you might as well ask him to swat a fly for you
so he just does frick all and stays in his woods all day? are there really anything known about him and his motivations except from le heckin don't care? And why doesn't he care about the ring if he is the lotr version of satan?
direct paraphrase of what Gandalf and Agent Smith say about Bomba at the council >we should have given it to Tom Bombadil, but he was too big of a homosexual
tom can shape reality in his woods so he can have whatever he wants whenever he wants
he doesn't give a shit about the outside world, but he is friendly to visitors
if his is melkor, he wouldn't care about the ring because it's made from his own power and he is simply waiting for his woods to shrink to the point to where his power is no longer contained by it. you could look at the woods as being his domain or his prison.
so he ruined the old willow tree, then it imprisoned him and now he is just killing time until it shrinks? (given that he is melkor)
>and now he is just killing time until it shrinks? (given that he is melkor)
possibly
the reasoning cited by the characters is that tom predates the creation myth where the god of lotr, the illuvitar, created the demigods who then in turn created middle earth
the forest is reasoned to be the oldest, predating that creation, and because it was made by tom instead of the illuvitar, he is all powerful within it
however, it is hinted in the text that this explanation is "too convenient" and that tom may be someone more sinister than he appears [ie, melkor]
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the forest is reasoned to be the oldest, predating that creation, and because it was made by tom instead of the illuvitar, he is all powerful within it
so the forest is in a way separated from the entire rest of the world? sounds gay but a magical place in some way? >however, it is hinted in the text that this explanation is "too convenient" and that tom may be someone more sinister than he appears [ie, melkor]
kino
2 years ago
Anonymous
>so the forest is in a way separated from the entire rest of the world?
you walk directly into it from the shire >sounds gay but a magical place in some way?
the forest is just as magical and dangerous as any other, it's just that once you step inside, you are completely in the power of TB. if he wanted to, he could blink you out of existance
at one point, frodo hands tom the ring. tom slips it on his finger, laughs, then throw is it into the air, where it momentarily disappears, possibly ceasing to exist, before reappearing in his palm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you walk directly into it from the shire
So it's not that you have to "discover" it or it has to "present" itself to you, does literally everyone know about its location? >at one point, frodo hands tom the ring. tom slips it on his finger, laughs, then throw is it into the air, where it momentarily disappears, possibly ceasing to exist, before reappearing in his palm.
I have to say again, kino. Any other kino moments with bombadil?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So it's not that you have to "discover" it or it has to "present" itself to you, does literally everyone know about its location?
its just beyond farmer maggots fields, he chases the boy into the forest after they steal some of his crops
it's a known location that most people avoid due to the danger >I have to say again, kino. Any other kino moments with bombadil?
tom only appears in this early chapter and then never again
he's supposed to be a mystery that can never be solved, so I suggest if you're interested, read his chapter. it's pretty good, though i see why he's cut from the movies
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, you can't really have such a character in such a black and white movie as lotr
I've tried reading lotr before but I just found the style to be tedious, but this sounds too kino to not read, which one it is?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fellowship I.7, “In the House of Tom Bombadil”
2 years ago
Anonymous
thank you bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Any other kino moments
that one time the Bobbits have to cross an ancient haunted battlefield and get captured by a wraith who's about to sacrifice them in a satanic ritual when Bombadil shows up and btfos him into the shadow realm by musically telling him to frick off from this world.
I also don't know where that one anon got the impression from that Bombadil is actually Melkor or that shit about his wife being the transformed old man willow. As in the novel it's implied that shes some type of river spirit, he calls her river womans daughter.
Why didn't Magneto just turn the ring into a disc and ride it to Mordor arms folded?
dunno
2 scoops
2 rings
I really hate how many "news" article headlines are written in this style
>No, XXXXXXX
He forgot the 'Here's why' bit though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
heh pretty good. But anytime a headline ends with a question mark, I always pretend it's because they are asking me, because they don't actually know
And that's a good thing.
They whole idea was that they had to sneak in. How is a huge frick off bird sneaky?
Only israelites use this critique to demoralize the white race
Why couldn't they just build, like, uhh, an aqueduct? To run the lava the whole way from mr doom to riverdell? Or to the shite? Why wouldn't that work?
Cause there are laws in mordor that require an aqueduct to not be longer than 1,2 km
mordor has wyvern monsters flying above it
okay, why?
it is directly addressed in the novel
they worried that if they left the ring with the eagles for too long that an eagle would kill the ring bearers then use the rings power to become "a sentinel of the sky" that would blot out the sun
same reason why they didn't leave the ring with galadriel because it would eventually corrupt her and make her into an evil queen
Is this actually in the novel? I always headcanon'd this as the primary reason, but I didn't think Tolkien ever actually acknowledged why, avoiding it more as skirting around bad story telling.
it's discussed at the round table
around the same time they discuss giving it to tom bombadil, who cannot be corrupted, but who would ultimately loose track of the ring since it's nothing to him
give me a quick rundown on bombadil, from what I've heard he sounds based as frick
tom bombadil lives in a forest wherein he has the abilities to alter reality on the level as god
outside of his forest he is powerless
each year his forest shrinks a little
tom is introduced to the reader when he saves the hobbits from an old willow tree that is about to eat them
he then introduces the hobbits to his beautiful wife goldberry
this comes off as pretty wholesome on first read
buuuuuut, if you read the silmarillion, it can be deduced that tom is actually melkor, the lotr equivalent of satan, and that goldberry was made by him in that moment by destroying the old willow tree and reshaping it into something more pleasant for his visitors
tom's actual involvement in the story is so open ended however, that all interpretations are equally valid and he's a top tier character to discuss at 4am with drunk friends as a result
in short, he could have ended the conflict of the ring by willing it out of existence once it was in his forest, but he is so powerful in his forest that you might as well ask him to swat a fly for you
so he just does frick all and stays in his woods all day? are there really anything known about him and his motivations except from le heckin don't care? And why doesn't he care about the ring if he is the lotr version of satan?
tom can shape reality in his woods so he can have whatever he wants whenever he wants
he doesn't give a shit about the outside world, but he is friendly to visitors
if his is melkor, he wouldn't care about the ring because it's made from his own power and he is simply waiting for his woods to shrink to the point to where his power is no longer contained by it. you could look at the woods as being his domain or his prison.
direct paraphrase of what Gandalf and Agent Smith say about Bomba at the council
>we should have given it to Tom Bombadil, but he was too big of a homosexual
kek this can't be true
so he ruined the old willow tree, then it imprisoned him and now he is just killing time until it shrinks? (given that he is melkor)
>so he ruined the old willow tree
yes
>then it imprisoned him
no
>and now he is just killing time until it shrinks? (given that he is melkor)
possibly
the reasoning cited by the characters is that tom predates the creation myth where the god of lotr, the illuvitar, created the demigods who then in turn created middle earth
the forest is reasoned to be the oldest, predating that creation, and because it was made by tom instead of the illuvitar, he is all powerful within it
however, it is hinted in the text that this explanation is "too convenient" and that tom may be someone more sinister than he appears [ie, melkor]
>the forest is reasoned to be the oldest, predating that creation, and because it was made by tom instead of the illuvitar, he is all powerful within it
so the forest is in a way separated from the entire rest of the world? sounds gay but a magical place in some way?
>however, it is hinted in the text that this explanation is "too convenient" and that tom may be someone more sinister than he appears [ie, melkor]
kino
>so the forest is in a way separated from the entire rest of the world?
you walk directly into it from the shire
>sounds gay but a magical place in some way?
the forest is just as magical and dangerous as any other, it's just that once you step inside, you are completely in the power of TB. if he wanted to, he could blink you out of existance
at one point, frodo hands tom the ring. tom slips it on his finger, laughs, then throw is it into the air, where it momentarily disappears, possibly ceasing to exist, before reappearing in his palm.
>you walk directly into it from the shire
So it's not that you have to "discover" it or it has to "present" itself to you, does literally everyone know about its location?
>at one point, frodo hands tom the ring. tom slips it on his finger, laughs, then throw is it into the air, where it momentarily disappears, possibly ceasing to exist, before reappearing in his palm.
I have to say again, kino. Any other kino moments with bombadil?
>So it's not that you have to "discover" it or it has to "present" itself to you, does literally everyone know about its location?
its just beyond farmer maggots fields, he chases the boy into the forest after they steal some of his crops
it's a known location that most people avoid due to the danger
>I have to say again, kino. Any other kino moments with bombadil?
tom only appears in this early chapter and then never again
he's supposed to be a mystery that can never be solved, so I suggest if you're interested, read his chapter. it's pretty good, though i see why he's cut from the movies
yeah, you can't really have such a character in such a black and white movie as lotr
I've tried reading lotr before but I just found the style to be tedious, but this sounds too kino to not read, which one it is?
Fellowship I.7, “In the House of Tom Bombadil”
thank you bro
>Any other kino moments
that one time the Bobbits have to cross an ancient haunted battlefield and get captured by a wraith who's about to sacrifice them in a satanic ritual when Bombadil shows up and btfos him into the shadow realm by musically telling him to frick off from this world.
I also don't know where that one anon got the impression from that Bombadil is actually Melkor or that shit about his wife being the transformed old man willow. As in the novel it's implied that shes some type of river spirit, he calls her river womans daughter.
They couldn't fly to Mordor because Sam was too fat. They could fly out of Mordor because through their cruel ordeal, Sam had lost weight.
Why didn’t the fellowship just hijack a fellbeast?
the eagles would have stolen the ring. read a book. the new show looks fricking terrible by the way.
Because Mordor had great anti-aircraft defence and surface-to-air missiles.