>nobody liked Snoke and everyone was happy when he died
>"Let's dedicate a whole subplot of The Mandalorian to how he was created!"
Honestly, why do they think anyone wants this? One big reason why The Mandalorian has been so successful and pulled Star Wars back from the brink is because it's so disconnected from the sequel trilogy. People can just pretend that stuff doesn't exist and enjoy the show as a proper continuation of RotJ. I have no idea why they feel the need to do this. It's not like there's potential for some big plot twist. It's just telling people what they already know.
Did they really do this? Why bother? The most pointless character in the franchise.
>Did they really do this?
That was my first thought too. You can make up anything stupid about new Star Wars stuff and I'm going to think the same thing every time "I stuck with this franchise way too long"
I checked out the second Last Jedi finished. I knew whatever direction the franchise was headed wasn't for me anymore. I haven't seen any movies or shows from it since. I just drop into /misc/ threads to laugh about their continued mistakes.
Dead franchise.
That's fucking hilarious that you "checked out" of the franchise in 2017 and yet you are still "dropping into" threads SIX YEARS later. Talk about obsessed.
Not that anon, but I liked Star Wars for so long that my interest won't just dry up immediately, but now my interest is just hoping/watching it fail, since they ruined it.
Cry about it as much as you like but Star Wars is here to stay. The Mandalorian saved the franchise and Andor was extremely well received. They will continue to make them and we will continue to watch them, while you sit on /misc/ crying because you have nothing to watch.
>Star Wars is here to stay
Why’d they cancel all the movies they announced
>Andor was extremely well received
But nobody watched it sadly, this will spell the death of quality Star Wars
The Blandalorian was only popular with soys and childless women and Trandor flopped.
Both tv shows are on ONE streaming site that nobody cares about anymore. It is a service men pay for just to distract their gay children for a few hours so they can drink liqour in peace and noy hate their lives for a few moments. NUWARS is literal fag tier baby shows. Grow up.
>we
What's hilarious is how badly the keep fucking up which is why I come into threads like these.
>onions wars chud seething
kwab
Mando is worth watching for the buildup to the Luke fanservice alone. All the child in me has wanted for a quarter of a century has been to see post rotj luke fucking shit up as the best force user in the galaxy and Mando delivered that.
>Luke fanservice
Its probably all we are ever going to get, which is really sad. The showdown scene in Last Jedi would have been a good way to show how powerful Luke is had it happened basically the same way...except he was really there.
>Mando is worth watching for the buildup to the Luke fanservice alone.
No it wasnt.
>All the child in me has wanted for a quarter of a century
You're an idiot and so is your inner child. You allowed Disney to manipulate your human instincts and you fell for a very old, very lazy narrative trick.
>Mando is worth watching for the buildup to the Luke fanservice alone.
Bugman.
Just so you know Andor is unequivocal kino and nothing like the shite of the last 15-20 years
They started to do it in S2 and it seems like they're coming back to it now in S3, a bunch of shit about the Imperials trying to use cloning technology to resurrect Palpatine (they were trying to capture Grogu to use his blood or something as part of the process). We already know from Rise of Skywalker that Snoke was a failed Palpatine clone so I guess they want to fill in the gaps but it just seems pointless when Snoke was a fakeout villain they set up as if he was gonna be the big bad only to immediately kill him off and replace him with the actual Palpatine because they were clearly just making up shit as they want along and they realized nobody actually wanted Snoke.
I kinda prefer Mandalorian as an episodic space western sort of show, just Mando going around on fun space adventures with his kid. It falters when they try to have an actual plot.
>Snoke was a fakeout villain
Fakeout implies that they intended him to be replaced by Palpatine from the beginning and weren't just making it up as they went along because the sequels were an utter shambles.
>Rian Johnson killed off our villain in the second film, what do we do now?
>Uh...
But, yeah, Snoke is among the most pointless and uninteresting characters in the film series. I'd prefer to see them explore the origins of that Viceroy guy from the prequels than Snoke.
Don't like it? Buy the franchise yourself and retcon it out.
Low IQ. Stop watching starwars. It was never was good. Just a wannabe star trek despite that being mid as well.
Actually, while you're at it, drop fantasy all together.
Even fantasy football?
Snoke is the only thing from the ST they can try to "Clone Wars" because the central conflict is pretty much just a rehash of the OT.
killing snope was genuine kino and a good example of subversion
the overall problem with the sequels is that it doesn't try to tell a coherent story
>7 is episode 4, just a shell of a movie, the same old star wars but was given a pass since it was setting up the other movies
>8 is a complete 180 from the genre and the previous movie
>8 IS ANOTHER 180 because disney was so fucking scared because of rian johnson and the seethe 8 created
I would prefer if they gave the trilogy to ONE person (rian hopefully).
More harm is caused by indecision than wrong decision.
>More harm is caused by indecision than wrong decision
The decision to fire George Lucas is arguably the biggest thing Disney fucked up from a creative vision point of view.
Financially speaking, there was no better choice they could've made.
No retard, it was a terrible idea because they never set up another villain for the franchise and made the last movie pointless.
Punished Kylo would have been fine as a villain for Episode 9 if they full committed to him being bad and didn't try to redeem him
I never even saw episode 9, but trying to redeem Kylo is just one of myriad examples of how obvious it was they had nothing planned, but it stands out. Kylo killed his father, the beloved Han Solo, in cold blood. Tricked him, no less. There was obviously no hope of redemption, but they had no idea what the fuck to do with the last movie. I cannot believe they brought the Emperor back haha.
Even with Rian's idea, redeeming Kylo was clearly always the plan. You had people quoting his "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" as if it was the good guy saying it. They were never going to fully commit to him being a bad guy. Anyway, to answer your question, there's a scene in TROS where he talks to Han Solo's Force ghost and it mirrors the scene where he kills him in TFA but instead of killing him he throws away his lightsaber.
No, he wouldn't. From the first movie Kylo was a non-threat with negative presence.
>From the first movie Kylo was a non-threat with negative presence.
So was Anakin in episode 1, 2, and at the very least the first half of 3. Arguably all of episode 3.
Well, good thing then that Anakin was never supposed to be the main villain of PT, but a dupe and a bitch of said main villain?
>Anakin was never supposed to be the main villain of PT
Anakin was supposed to be Darth Vader. Basically the main villain of the original Star Wars (A New Hope) before the Emperor was introduced and easily the one iconic villainous figure in the OT.
he set up kylo as the antagonist for the final movie
The OT still had Vader and the Emperor for ROTJ. Just having Kylo and the joke that was Huxley would not be enough villains for the heroes to defeat. And it never explains where Snoke came from, or how he came to mentor Kylo?
>The OT still had Vader and the Emperor for ROTJ.
and? nobody wants to see the same movie again
>Just having Kylo and the joke that was Huxley would not be enough villains for the heroes to defeat.
now I know you're a retard. Kylo essentialyl controls the entire galaxy and the rebels are completetly fucked at the end of 8. They had more than enough resources to be a legitimate threat.
>And it never explains where Snoke came from, or how he came to mentor Kylo?
you're the guy that spams in every thread how midichlorians was an amazing concept aren't you?
>midichlorians
That was one of the dumbest parts of the prequels, and the way it was delivered gave me Troy McClure at the meat plant vibes.
Also, aren't entering the story at the beginning, we already have 6 films of material plus other media to fill up this universe. There needed to be an explanation how such a powerful dark force user like Snoke suddenly ended up in charge of the Empire 2.0 and was able to get Kylo to join him.
>There needed to be an explanation how such a powerful dark force user like Snoke suddenly ended up in charge of the Empire 2.0 and was able to get Kylo to join him.
snoke was manipulating him for a long time with the force before kylo joined him, this is stated by luke in 8.
NTA, but the whole situation with Snoke and Kylo is so glossed over in the films that it's bizarre. Leia talks about Snoke seducing him in such a way that it sounds like she knew him personally, and there's all this to-do about who he is, HOW the empire is even back and under his leadership, etc. Killing him off without answering any of this in the second movie was tantamount to admitting that no one making the films knew what the answers were.
Yeah Snoke sucked but you can't just say "oh yeah the empire came back somehow under the leadership of this new super super bad guy who's never been alluded to before, and he was instrumental in setting all the personal characters' stories into motion, bur we don't know how or why, and now he's dead. Why are you complaining, are you some kind of NERD!?" It's a clusterfuck.
Does anyone actually seriously give a shit about Snoke? He was a bargain bin Palpatine
He did this by butchering Luke as a character
>entire reason for Kylo to become evil is because Luke pulled a lightsaber on Kylo in the middle of the night
>he did this because he sensed kylo had bad dreams and some kind of darkness in him
This will never make sense
Luke, the guy who saw good in vader even though he helped kill millions, destroyed the Jedi order and cut off his own hand. Tried his best to not even fight him and refused to kill him
But he ignited his lightsaber on a sleeping teenager? He literally went backwards in character development.
That plus Snoke is the ENTIRE reason given for the change in dynamic. Apparently he is the one who seduced Ben to the dark side. Yet we aren’t explained how in the movies. The comics are hilarious though
all of your points are addressed in this single scene, luke is not jesus
I’m not watching some bullshit attempt to rationalise poor writing
Let me guess, it’s “realistic” therefore its good? No heroes can be allowed to be good or pure. That’s for fantasy, and clearly Star Wars is no fantasy
>hates movie he hasn't watched
that fits, never change /misc/
A YouTube video isn’t a movie. But since you think the writing for last Jedi is good I’m not surprised you’re a moron
if you look carefully, you'll see that the video is from episode 8
Didn’t watch the video. Just read the title. And no, it doesn’t explain it. It just acts like Luke degrading as a character is something we should find more interesting than it is annoying.
What else? Han Solo still being a smuggler and wearing the same clothes is actually super good writing because old men sometimes have late life crisis’ about losing their youth so they don’t act their age?
You can rationalise anything and pretend it’s not just a bad narrative. But that doesn’t make it so. The sequel trilogy movies are just bad. Their characters are poorly written. The plot of each movie is not thought out and disconnected from each other and even the wider mythos.
it does explain it, you're just genuinely retarded and hate disney so much (rightfully so) that you can't look at what's in front of you objectively
If it’s a satisfying explanation, feel free to actually explain it. If you seriously can’t type it out because it sounds dumb when you read it, there’s a reason for that
>sees that kylo will ruin everything luke loves (the darkness was way larger than he had previously seen in training)
>pure instinct for protection of those he cares about kicks in
>immediately after the thought, he regrets it and feels ashamed for what he has done and that the thought entered his head
>"and the last thing I saw were the eyes of a frightened boy whose master and failed him"
Lmao. Please tell me you’re joking. That’s not a satisfying explanation. Why do you think all heroes must fall and become failures?
what about it is not satisfying to you?
Luke is not supposed to be some failure who chimps out on a teenager. He actively went against Obi Wan and Yoda to save a man who was too far gone by every one else in the universe perspective. Yet he fails to control himself around a child because of vague “he’s too evil! “ visions
No. That’s not satisfying. Luke has actively gotten worse with no real justification.
see
> Yet he fails to control himself around a child because of vague “he’s too evil! “ visions
are you fucking retarded? he does control himself, that's the entire point
Luke is not an old school Jedi. After ROJ, he reinvents the Jedi Order basically in his image. He is much more pragmatic and realistic about things. He wouldnt have necessarily had a lot of problems straight up murdering Ben if he had decided that was the best course of action. But then again, they went out of their way to make sure Luke did not behave like post ROJ Luke at all
Wrong. Luke was obsessed with the ancient Jedi texts. Watch the Last Jedi. Luke was a strict traditional Jedi. That’s why we needed Rey to become the true Skywalker Jedi master to teach a new generation. Luke failed
At the end of TLJ it's shown that Rey took the ancient Jedi texts with her so Yoda didn't even destroy them. He just let someone else have them.
Yes, and the fact Luke was a super-traditionalist in TLJ is proof positive that Rian and JJ and whoever else didn't know how to write his character. They wanted an "old hero falls into psychological darkness and is brought back to the light by the new generation" narrative, which is a very strong idea. But they engineered it in a way that contradicts the essence of the character. And whenever anyone points this out, the automatic counter is "you just don't like that Luke failed", which is moving the goalposts. The issue here isn't what they wanted to do with Luke and Rey - it's how they went about doing it.
>the fact Luke was a super-traditionalist in TLJ
What makes you think he was?
>I swear, Judge, I pointed my loaded gun at my nephew in his sleep, but it was just a moment of temporary weakness, I'm not Jesus after all.
It still saddens me to this day the interview with rian and mark where you can clearly see how displeased and sad mark is with ruining like like that.
I hope mark likes working with the Mando crew that really follows up on the Luke we all knew.
Not a good movie when he was beaten by the protagonist during their first fight in the first movie before she even had any training. Not that it matters because she only gets like a week of it anyway.
Easily explained by him holding back because he was attracted to her and him giving her a difficult fight when that's not getting in the way.
Rian Johnson killed Star Wars, end of story.
If they give him another trilogy he'll likely canonize himself.
Are you a paid shill, or is this one of those new chat-gpt bots that is going to flood these boards with shit takes? Rian left nothing for Trevorrow to follow up with. He took all the plot threads that JJ gave him (you may think they were dumb but it was something to work with) and he abruptly cut them off in the middle film of a trilogy, leaving nothing for the third film.
Duel of the Fates was a decent foundation, I have no idea why they didn't just give that a revision pass instead of bringing in the writer of Batman v Superman to team up with JJ to cook up one of the worst screenplays of all time.
Duel of the Fates was silly, the idea of Hux being a serious villain after two movies of him getting prank called and smashed against the wall like an idiot is horrendous. Say what you will about TROS but I actually liked that Hux was worthless and died like a bitch, it was a fitting end for his character.
What do you mean? In DotF Hux was a force obsessed delusional weirdo who was convinced he was force sensitive and died by committing lightsaber sudoku
And he somehow fell upward to become the leader of the First Order and ruled the galaxy with an iron fist. It's stupid, it'd be like if that guy Vader choked to death in ANH somehow came to be leader of the Empire. Don't get me wrong, TROS was full of holes but one thing I liked was that Hux was this complete loser with no real power that tried to betray the FO solely because he's a petty bitch that hates Kylo, instantly gets caught and blasted to death by some old guy that doesn't even have any Force powers.
He was already in a top leadership position that he fell upward into at the start of the ST, its only natural he ends up in charge of the day to day running of the FO once Kylo become dark lord. Plus his style of ruling with an iron fist is suitably dumb.
>laser guillotine
LMAO
>good example of subversion
>it just doesnt try to tell a coherent story
Are you listening to yourself lmfao
8 is constantly "Ha fooled you!" it gets tired and boring. A toddler would believe characters and plot points in this film. It tells you not to trust it over and over. The end "there's only one way out of this cave, the front door!" .....why? Why have that line? No shit there's a back exit. At that point in the movie it would have been more shocking if it they were telling the truth. It's like watching improv. The constant opposite isn't exciting. It's not even twists and turns, its lazy.
That’s not a good subversion though. A good subversion surprises the audience while also delivering a better result than their expectation.
You need only look to the original trilogy to find plenty of them. For example, it’s never once said that Yoda should be a great and imposing warrior except by Luke, an explicitly naive kid, and if you think about it for a second his assumption is clearly flawed, but the idea is already in the audience’s head. This makes his true identity a surprise, but a surprise that fits the movie far better than the initial premise.
A good subversion doesn’t yank the carpet out from under you, which is what Rian did constantly.
Not a single one of his surprise results ended up being more satisfying than the expectation, even the most shallow ones.
>nooooo it wasn't good subversion because Snoke should have been DARTH ICKY the most EPICEST and BADASSEST sith lord EVER
I hate star wars fans
Calling Johnson "Rian". Hello twitter leftard. You're aware he'll never make another disney wars flick, right?
They are clearly trying to retroactively add the lore and worldbuilding that the ST entirely lacks to try and salvage the reputation of those movies 10+ years out rather than just admit defeat and try again with something new.
That did kind of already happen with the prequels, people like those a lot more now that there's a bunch of lore to contextualize them.
Bruh, no one watches that cartoon shit. The prequels aren't perfect, but George had his vision and I liked it for what it was.
Clearly what they are trying to copy, but it won't work for many reasons. Most importantly the PT was beloved from the start by its core target audience of young boys, who were perfectly primed to consume the Expanded Universe content that kept on being dished out to them through their entire adolescence.
The ST movies have no kid appeal whatsoever so can't possibly replicate the same effect.
They've found something just as good with Mando merchandise. Grogu merch sells a shitton for some reason and people love buying toys of Mando and IG-11 and so on.
That isn't comparable at all to the merchandising powerhouse that was the PT. Every single character and vehicle that appears on screen in Episodes I-III for even just a single frame had a toy made out of it that managed to sell. Disney has a single golden goose that they can easily end up milking to death.
I feel like you're just assuming they aren't making any toys from the new stuff and haven't actually bothered to check. (I also feel like you don't actually know the sales figures of that Elan Sleazebaggano toy, but that doesn't matter.) Here's a toy of that random-ass droid from Obi-Wan Kenobi that appeared for like two scenes and then died.
https://shop.hasbro.com/en-us/product/star-wars-the-black-series-ned-b-toy-6-inch-scale-star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-action-figure-toys-ages-4-and-up/8A53747E-0BEA-43F8-913B-8B6F3DA49BE7
They are pumping out tons of Star Wars shows, not just Mandalorian, and they're pumping out the toys to match. Just this year we're going to have Mando S3, the Ahsoka show, and that new thing called Skeleton Crew with Jude Law.
Star Wars merchandise under Disney has performed so poorly they had to cook their books and fold merchandise sales figures in their financial reports under the same category as theme park revenue to hide the fact they tanked what used to be the biggest merchandising juggernaut there ever was.
These things were purchased by COLLECTORS because there were no products dedicated to collectors back then.
Nowadays the same audience just purchases Funko Pop and similar garbage, and Funko Pop is selling extremely well singlehandedly creating a new category of physical merchandise.
>pulled Star Wars back from the brink
Kek, do you really believe this?
If you think that’s bad you should read the comics
Also the knights of ren are just this random group of edgy people
Missed opportunity.
It's funny how these are all girls and in the actual movie literally every single one of the Knights of Ren are male.
lmao
Not the only 360-degree shot in episode 9. There's a clear Micheal Bay influence on Abrams in that film when it comes to framing things with the camera. Almost a bit surprising that he cut so much in this particular scene rather than leaving it continuous like Bay would have.
Anyway, it's a strange creative decision, because that recurring style really doesn't fit the film itself. And the way Abrams uses it really doesn't look that great in the first place.
Why'd they give the kid an optical mouse?
Is that Jeffery Epstein?
what the fuck
>HENCEFORTH YOU SHALL BE CALLED...
>DARTH...
>GROOMER...
aren't all sith lords groomers?
No, but all groomers are shitlords.
The groomer fears the shitlord
where's Stimpy?
>I believe in that principle on a deep, deep level
Jesus that's bad writing.
>Also the knights of ren are just this random group of edgy people
I'm not sure what else they could have done that would have been better
Luke's students who joined the Dark side with Kylo. But they needed a better explanation for why Kylo and the Knights turned on Luke than what we got. Should have had Snoke originally join Luke to help rebuild the Jedi order after ROTJ, but then Snoke began to turn some of the students to the dark side. A brawl ensues where most of the good students get killed off, but Rey was able to be saved, but got her mind wiped to protect her. Then Luke went off to find out more about the history of the Jedi and the Sith and who Snoke was and how to defeat him, and that's why he wasn't there for episode 7.
I still think the best option was to make Snoke turn out to be Darth Plagueis. Who cares if a bunch of fans guessed this ahead of time, it would have tied the prequels together to the sequels. It would explain why a dark force user exists and is in bad physical shape.
I really don't know what they were trying to do with these comics. So pointless.
Im hoping they bring back worlds between worlds and deviate from the new movies timeline
I actually think that was everyone wants at this point seeing how bad the movies were.
For once it would make people not knowing what could happen as we do for now.
They did it to BTFO "Dave and Jon will retcon the ST!" gays.
Typical contempt of fans you see everywhere nowadays.
I thought he was just a puppet clone of Palpatine. Did they seriously decide to try and expand on an already dumb idea?
The parks' content is centered around the nuShit, creative sunk cost fallacy between Kennedy & Eiger. Favreau's new deal for creative control over his characters (Yeed) better be airtight or they'll wrangle him into some Rey movie one off.
Do you guys think JJ planned Rey to be Palpatine related in the force awakens?
I honestly don’t know what he was thinking. Rian ran his script in front of him and JJ gave no protests so he clearly either didn’t have real plans anyway, or simply didn’t care
His "plan" was that she was related to Obi-Wan, which is why he of all characters has a voice line during her lightsaber induced force vision in TFA. But he was never super committed to that idea.
Makes sense. Not sure why she’d hear him otherwise
Wonder what “related” to obi wan even means. His grand niece or something? No way he had a kid and she’s his granddaughter
Old Ben obviously banged and knocked up some random desert skank a day before the ball got rolling with Luke.
Before TFA dropped the strongest theories (that are almost always pushed by devs to begin with) were that he and Padme had a secret relationship. It's so utterly fucking retarded in conception and flies in the face of everything the initial IP was made to be.
None of the people involved in Star Wars after Disney's acquisition bar Gilroy should ever have been anywhere near this IP.
Everything feels off this season of The Mandalorian. Pacing, motivations, action scenes. Stuff just seems to happen. Ok, so he's officially a Mandalorian again. So what? I tell you, Boba Fett got his stink on him.
He is officially a Mandalorian again according to about a dozen other Mandalorian's who live in a cave, and act very cult like. At this point in the show, we dont know exactly what a "true Mandalorian" really is or is not.
I'm not sure why they needed to move to a cave, that space station in Book of Boba Fett was cool.
Jedi and the force seems broken forever.
>Rey is super powerful and more so than everyone because she… is related to Palpatine
>needs no training because… you automatically get made good by the force to match the threat of the dark side
>some vague shit about a force bond between kylo and Rey even though they barely knew each other
RLM made fun of the fact that the Jedi in the PT did literal training from childhood so they made sure to expunge all aspects of that from the ST. Most of their creative decisions were based around Plinkett Review talking points.
Because the execs are retarded and, when people said
>killing off the only remotely credible antagonist with no build up or backup
Thought they meant
>this antagonist would have worked if they had a backstory
Not realising he was an utter abortion when JJ made him, and Rian did nothing to salvage him.
Mando did very well because it folles people that this was a reboot.
Then execs saw that it was doing very well, better than everything disney put, so they leach in there.
Disney execs and coporared slaves are stupid, they dont understand creative, story or what consumers wants.
They only bring back yed, because it was selling a lot. Dont understand bringging back was a stupid idea that undermines character progression, and the roose was over.
Gargano firing was stupid, didnt help, then boba fett show was stupid, followed with obi wan stupid show.
Star wars is dead.
At least Andor was good
Nobody watched or cared.
Tragic but true
Enough with this meme, it was pozzed pseud garbage.
People only hated Snoke after the first movie when they killed him because "muh subversion" and then JJ tried to explain Snoke's origin or some shit in the last one
It takes bringing in someone who doesn't care about Star Wars to turn out something actually decent with the property. Imagine if the level of writing for the sequel trilogy was like this.
We could've gotten something that felt like an elevation of some of the best EU stories, minus terrible bullshit. What could've been.
Surely an attractive redhead won't be forever trapped in her helmet.
Can you point me at the exact moment in ep3 where this happened?
it didn't happen, they baited us into thinking that's where the episode was going
The twist is obviously going to be that Groggu is a clone of Yoda just like Snoke is a clone of Palpatine and Snoke will be more powerful/able to leave his chair until Groggu defeats him in the series finale.
>nobody liked Snoke and everyone was happy when he died
Nobody liked what JarJar Abrams made the character
he was supposed to be Plaguis
This gay needed explaining though. You don’t just throw in some new old Sith Lord gay into the mix out of nowhere.
he was this guy originally
To add, he was head of the banking clan so you don't have to wonder why JJ changed it
Plaguies was too based for JJ, I’m glad that didn’t happen so that his storyline isn’t tainted.
I guess you are right
Correct. I hope you’re not counting prequels bc those are fine.
i hate star wars and wasn’t watching this show, but yes that will absolutely kill the show
Well yeah except for Andor. It's objectively good and closest thing to a KOTOR adaptation. Seethe harder.
>closest thing to a KOTOR adaptation
Ahahahah, kys.
I struggle to see the closest connection between Andor and KotOR. Elaborate please.
>nobody liked Snoke and everyone was happy when he died
What? Snoke was very well liked, if anything the complaints were that his backstory was not explored enough.
>Snoke was very well liked
How's the weather on Bizarro?
What his origin? Only watched ep7
>nobody liked Snoke and everyone was happy when he died
A good amount of Star Wars youtubers seem to have loved Snoke. Or at least their headcanon of him. And they were quite vocal about how they hated that he died.
Of course, catering to them (rather than to general audiences) is a horrible idea, Rise of Skywalker has shown that. But they are known to love the Mandalorian already, so maybe it makes sense.
>Star Wars youtubers seem to have loved Snoke
Shills
They're the exact opposite of "shills". They're the most vocal TLJ haters you can find who claim that Disney retroactively destroyed their childhoods. Those people got extremely invested in episode 7, and in the fan theories that followed (which all tried too hard to put meaning into the utterly meaningless).
Not sure how that statement is supposed to relate to the points made. What are you trying to argue against? That most people who hated TLJ loved TFA? Or that they aren't shills due to their vocal hatred?
>character dies like a moron
>"LET'S ELABORATE ON HIS BACKSTORY!"
It's the Solo story all over again.
>Guys that was just a clone
>Here's the real Snoke and he's actually still alive
what are the odds this will happen and it's Plaguis
dollar store voldemort
yikes
Star Wars died the instant Lucas sold it. Sorry nerds, it's over