>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT WATCH IT WITH THE ENGLISH DUB YOU SHOULD WATCH THIS 100 YEAR OLD JAPANESE GRANNY TRY TO VOICE A UNIVERSE DESTRYING MEATHEAD WARRIOR INSTEAD BECAUSE...YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY?
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT WATCH IT WITH THE ENGLISH DUB YOU SHOULD WATCH THIS 100 YEAR OLD JAPANESE GRANNY TRY TO VOICE A UNIVERSE DESTRYING MEATHEAD ...
The dub and the american soundtrack was better and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
you have shit taste in music if you think the dub soundtrack is good
sorry
The Japanese music worked well in DB, but the dub score works better in DBZ. You're a brainlet if you think otherwise.
The synthwave crap is all samey and emotionally flat. Most of the tracks you can't get excited listening to
Fuck off. They're both good even despite the fact the Falconer score had to be rushed
>The Japanese music worked well in DB, but the dub score works better in DBZ. You're a brainlet if you think otherwise.
No the american music sets the wrong tone. There were never supposed to be heroes here only freaks fighting while conveniently doing the right thing sometimes. The japanese score keeps that tone properly.
>implying this isn't kino
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It's shit.
low test
Nah, it was pure shit. It's like the WWE people were put in charge and started adding character songs. I hope you die.
No, it worked really well, which is why fans of the franchise started copying it.
It's pure shit. Il-fitting, and only exists because some israelite wanted some advertising money.
Your takes are pure shit and you're a low test neckbeard. Next.
Fuck off homosexual. Post an actual argument or fuck off.
What have your arguments been aside from "it's le WWE"? As if that's even worlds apart from DBZ.
Suck my dick nagger.
I said it's ill-fitting. What does a song about heroin have to do with DBZ? Try again, homosexual.
If it was ill fitting they wouldn't have put it in and people wouldn't have responded to it they way they did.
Purist weebs need not apply.
I already told you, some israelite wanted money and was like "let's advertise this heroin song for a quick buck." Only edgy amv makers like it.
Also, the jap song was not even used in the Frieza movie.
>has no argument so has to fall back on le israelites
I accept your concession. Go listen to your granny, shrimp dick.
>pretending to be retarded
My argument is clear, and the same one despite your numeral attempts at strawmaning.
The Broly soundtrack is shit, and only exists because of executive meddling.
Your 'argument' is, "b-but you! but le granny!!!"
We're talking about the soundtrack, homosexual. Stick to it or fuck off.
>and only exists because of executive meddling
based executives
I agree with him btw, you're gay
Your only argument was that it was music not directly related to, or inspired by DBZ.
That's the vast majority of movie OSTs, so it's not a good enough argument. The rest is down to taste and you're an NPC purist so you have none as far as I'm concerned.
>"DBZ music is ill-fitting, because every other movie does the same thing."
Shit argument, but at least you acknowledge that a song about heroin had nothing to do with DBZ.
I'm not a purist either, I dislike the granny voice, but the dub soundtrack is awful. The perfect experience would be Kai with the original soundtrack.
Most songs featured in films have nothing to do with the films lyrically you brainlet. Doesn't mean they don't fit.
Imperial marches with almost no variety in between aren't preferable regardless if they're original or not. The artwork and the story is more important.
>Most songs featured in films have nothing to do with the films lyrically you brainlet.
Yes, I agree with you. The soundtrack is ill-fitting. I get it. Stop making my point, we're cool.
I'm not talking about Dragon Ball but in general.
You're an autistic neckbeard, and yes we're cool.
>The soundtrack is ill-fitting
it was cool
I was disappointed not every movie had that kind of music when I downloaded them as a kid
the homoerotic nature of dbz threads is not lost on me
I really hope you two get a hotel room
>[male grunting intensifies]
>Il-fitting
not really, the japs themselves imitated it for frieza's return
At least the jap song had "Frieza" in it. The pantera song was about heroin.
Pantera is based and you should've been aborted
Holy fucking shit, this is terrible lmao
women wouldn't get it
I never pretended otherwise. I've always dabbed on homosexual original japanese/soundtrack fans
>get excited listening to
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you literally just illustrated my point. The dub music is boring as fuck there
yes, because just like the first super saiyan transformation, the tone for new levels of the form are meant to instill feelings of fear, anxiety, unsuredness compounding to a climax
it's to convey what an alien monster goku really is at the culmination of the story at that point
it's not to indulge children in a sense of BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL I HAVE THE POWER AAAAAAA
use your fucking brain
The japanese version conveys the tone properly. It's supposed to be dangerous, mysterious and incredibly out of left field. It's not a heroic moment to terrorize the entire world with your power. Especially when he's doing it mostly so he can try it out against Buu.
>It's supposed to be dangerous, mysterious and incredibly out of left field
Which is what the Falconer track conveys as well. It's just more intense.
>Which is what the Falconer track conveys as well. It's just more intense.
No it really does not, you're delusional.
I'll meet you halfway and say nothing can be more delusional than the people who think adult Goku should sound like that.
>I'll meet you halfway and say nothing can be more delusional than the people who think adult Goku should sound like that.
That's Japanese tradition for you, I respect that they wanted to keep the VA employed though.
I don't have anything against her. It's cool that she's alive and is kept employed. But if I was in charge of it, I'd relegate her to some other character.
To add to this, there are good subs that are in no need of dubs whatsoever. Pic related is one example. But that sounds like an adult male.
>I'll meet you halfway and say nothing can be more delusional than the people who think adult Goku should sound like that.
Also I'll meet you halfway and say that the sound mixing on the Japanese music before super is fucking awful in comparison to the US version.
I actually prefer the jap soundtrack on Super.
If you're non-Japanese and move there they'll do it immediately.
>If you're non-Japanese and move there they'll [fuck you] immediately.
(X) Doubt, because I'm not White. This IS a DBZ thread, after all.
The Super soundtrack sounds like it took a page from Falconer's work in some aspects but I like it too
Purist weebs will disagree but you're absolutely right.
Okay this is one of the few things I will say the sub did better. Z would’ve been a lot more interesting if they occasionally portrayed goku as a dangerous alien monster like this in the dub
Based
Cringe
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lol anons keep posting tracks from the Falconer score like
>bro check THIS out tho
these tracks are almost elevator music-y
You have some cool ass elevators
The dub is fine but the american soundtrack is shit. It’s way too noisy.
Both are cool. 90s synth rock and Chinese imperial marches both work uniquely well
the dub is almost always better than chang screeching like a girl
The issue with weebs is that they would never admit to this because they get extremely butthurt about any tampering to the "pure form", even if most people have enough taste to know when a sub is good and accordingly, when a dub is good.
imagine watching the anime at all is what i say
the manga is where it's at, toriyama and your imagination will handle it way better
the only animation you need is the movies, and even then you can skip most of them
What a low IQ take. The slow burn and atmospheric music make it.
is this bait or are you seriously retarded
He's not wrong, the soundtrack does bump it up a few points.
It feels pretty quaint nowadays when animated media is paced so fucking fast.
lol just listen to the soundtrack while you read the manga then
they are good tunes, i won't deny it
>slow burn atmospheric
what is this, the new a24 joint?
Your mind has been ruined by buzzwords and meme responses
*gives you goosebumps*
dilate
True, Dragon Ball has strong sense of kineticism in its action panels, it’s pretty easy to imagine the animation because of the clarity of movement
Did it take 5 real time minutes to look at each panel and turn the pages for Goku’s SS3 transformation? Didn’t think so.
lmao youtube recently recommended the buu fight, i couldn't believe how long that shit took
it was really cool when i was a kid though
which words are in contention here? you're a weirdo
Agreed
I dont get why this is such a controversial opinion. Funi dub of DBZ is one of the very few dubs that is better than the original. The synth rock n roll music fucking worked and fit perfectly into what DBZ is; WWE in space with alien monkeys and power levels. Even some of the dialogue improved and again better than the original
>but muh Japanese Gohan turns SSJ2
Yes there are some scenes in the original that are better but for the most part Funi dub is superior in every way. Here are comparison scenes of 2 Vegeta scenes. Funi dub blows it out of the water. Your delusional if you disagree
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Funi dub soundtrack had absolute bangers that completed DBZ
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I find funi Vegeta to be the most faithful because it really suits the inevitable comeuppance the character receives time and time again. It’s so deliciously cheesy
>I have no respect for Dragonball so the dub should turn the show into garbage with banter that feels like a child wrote it
>Vegeta turning super saiyan for the first time
>Let me ask you, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?
>Epic Piano music kicks in
>Kai dub
>I am curious, are androids capable of anything akin to fear?
>no music
Am I being trolled? The funi dub is insanely kino and superior than kai. Who is in denial? Weeb purists? 3rd worlders?
this just a theory on my part...but the "you have to watch original dubs are trash" thing is a newer development. It comes from the fact that studios got lazy with their dubs. Japanese and English dont really translate 1:1, so it takes real effort to translate not only the words but the sentiment tone etc. The script, voice acting, and music all have to line up. Funi did a very good of this, but it did take a long time to put it out. Later projects started getting more lazy in order to get them done fast, and are inferior because of it.
I feel like translations often get called "faithful" because they don't add anything, but aren't criticized for bits of nuance and culture context that are lost. Perfect translations that communicate both the meaning but also match the dramatic intensity are extremely difficult and an easy fix is to just make shit up for the dub language.
a good example is naruto's BELIEVE IT
in japanese he says だってばよ "dattebayo"
it's nonsense, it's just a verbal tic he uses for emphasis
BELIEVE IT is retarded and corny and endlessly mocked, but it matches the mouth pretty well and conveys a similar meaning
something like that is literally untranslatable
maybe that's an extreme example but there's so many hurdles like that going into translating nip
I watched all dbz and dbgt years ago with dub,listening to your examples they both sound good. Was kai and super worth watching at all or just stick with the funi dub for a rewatch
Dude. Allow me to show you. Pretend Kai and Super do not fucking exist. I’d watch fucking GT before either of those. Look at these and then try to help yourself from calling everyone defending Kai a tranny:
Kai:
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Real show:
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Japanese:
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I guess don’t watch these if you wanna go back and rewatch the show and just take my word for it but all kaitrannies and subsuckers btfo and silenced forever
/thread
Ok I am convinced thanks anon funi dbz is superior. Kai is truncated and super looks like a reboot for a new audience. I saw one modern film with berus the cat and never really looked again
Super isn't really all that bad. People who hate on it do so mainly because of the old good new bad meme.
It's a bit more neutered, and the art style and animation isn't as good, but that's about it.
I looked up what they did to sayians, they sanitised them into a good galactic police type deal or is that a dead plotline now
>People who hate on it do so mainly because of the old good new bad meme.
No they don’t. It’s because Goku and Vegeta are two retarded jackasses and not the awesome heroes we love. They don’t even use the same SFX anymore. The swsh swsh swsh super saiyan sound is gone and replaced with some generic static/“power” sounds. The sounds are as important as the music, all the sounds are iconic. Imagine a Godzilla movie when Godzilla doesn’t make his trademarked roar and just does some generic Hollywood squeal.
Super is GARBAGE I sincerely don’t know what anyone gleans from it. As an absolute dragonball fag it just pisses me off. I tried watching the Tournament of Power one time and Vegeta becoming Super Blue or whatever was so fucking soi I had to shut it off. I hated GT too but definitely not as much as this.
The general idea of Super is fine. Goku continuing to reach higher and higher levels until he transcends corporeal existence, with Vegeta nipping at heels the whole way. This idea by itself isnt terrible, but the way the went about it was pretty bad.
I don't know why anybody would watch super though
The saiyan saga, intentionally or not, is a pretty compelling story. The prince of all saiyans with all his inborn power, versus the low class reject who earned and learned everything he has via hard work and training over a decade
ditto for frieza. Vegeta and Bardock try their hardest to make the whole thing about the proud saiyans and their last stand against frieza, meanwhile goku considers himself an earthling and gets the transformation because he's the guardian of all life, not just the asshole saiyans
Even cell, while full of bits of jank, is a pretty compelling tragedy; all the things that had to go wrong to finally birth the monster that would kill goku. It also has the first good moment for gohan since Nappa died.
Everything after that, including buu and super, doesn't really have a narrative reason to exist. It's all flash and no substance. A contrived sequence of excuses for more and more fights with more and more transformations and techniques that all amounts to the exact same shit as before but with bigger numbers. By that standard, GT is perfectly adequate once Pan is fully jettisoned out of the main cast.
It's empty, and you can feel it while you're watching it. It's a facade with no foundation. It's soulless.
I'm not looking for more shit with goku in it to waste more of my time, I'm looking for the best shit I can find, shows someone wanted to make for their own sake and not to keep the franchise going and printing money. OG and Z are among the best I can find. Super is not.
>Super isn't really all that bad. People who hate on it do so mainly because of the old good new bad meme.
winnie the pooh? wtf
it's cool that you like it but I'll never be capable of tolerating more than 10 seconds of american dbz dubs. They don't sound natural at all, it sounds like someone trying to sound cool and gruffy. I feel like I'm listening to a highschool play or something
Anime is inherently unnatural. It's super melodramatic and autistic, with very rare exception. The VA's play into this and it works well enough within the genre.
well I don't have many examples to prove that english VA can be good (and that I don't like japanese VA just because I don't speak the language), however Vampire Hunder D bloodlust and the streetfighter animated movie have a very decent english VA
Bloodlust's English VAs were pretty good, though the script is significantly different between the two languages, with a large deal of changes. The character personalities are very different too. I'd recommend the Japanese to anyone interested in that movie, as the dialogue is closer to the book
I like English D's VA, but the hand in English is awful
based dub chad. people took the sub>dub rule to autistic extremes and refuse to believe that there are exceptions.
Faulconer's work on DBZ was what made it so good. The voice work is great too but the music puts the emotion in it and pulls it together.
Here's a favorite of mine, DBZ Kai dub with Faulconer's music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBBwUrMlJ_8
yeah, OG jap voices aren't great, they're really into the shrill voice for humor, at least in that time frame from like the 50s to the 70s/ early 80s
>ALLY TO GOOD, NIGHTMARE TO YOU!
Dub Goku is cringe, I hope you're at least watching Kai.
Thank you, Goku sounds so half hearted here. The Kai version had more passion
They had to put some heroic element in him considering he willingly threatens the Earth multiple times throughout the series just to test his power.
>They had to put some heroic element in him
Even in Japanese this was a problem and Toriyama didn't like it. He wrote Goku to have a lot of asshole moments in the manga which get glossed over in the anime. The west took it to the next level, changing Goku's dialogue even more. Manga Goku is so different, he might as well be a totally different character
I'm sure you would have preferred a long, exhausting diatribe that spells out the situation and what everyone is feeling just like all these other asiatictoons
They literally add more dialogue in the dub you clown
So much SOVL in OG DB.
Holy shit I tried watching DBZ subbed and there were so much dead air and pregnant pauses between dialouge it was awful. I can not understand how people can complain about the added dialouge in the dubs. Fuck the voice acting. Just the way every scene is paced is much better
The original Gundam is like that too. The dub added music from the soundtrack during all the silences and it is much better.
DB and DBZ are the only anime where the English dub is superior
as well as cowboy bebop
t. has never seen Golden Boy
that series is a work of art. perfection
Berserk.
evangelion
>evangelion
Ugh no, Shinji's voice is too grating in english. Maybe they were going for that but I don't like it. Doesn't mean they didn't do a good job though.
hellsing/ anything set in england
Ghost stories
FMA:B is pretty good
there are actually a lot of dubs nowadays that are pretty good but in most cases the JP is still better
FMA:B is a pretty prime example
English Lust still sounds way hotter/better, same with mustang.
death note and monster
english is always superior to japanese, it's the language most people speak
The Big O
>Roger Smith, you louse.
>[saxophones intensify]
Nothing will ever beat the scene where Big O moves on its own for me
Yu Yu Hakusho
when piccolo arrives to give freeza a beat down, the old king piccolo theme starts playing
except in the dub which just plays some random 90s synth rock, totally soulless
Sub website
The sub is only bad because Goku’s voice just doesn’t match him
That's fair but a pretty important flaw considering it's the main character.
it matches his actual character but not the gay ass power fantasy fanfiction version you have in your head
that 100 year old japanese granny is Goku 🙂
ehem correct take is:
you have to watche it in late 80s and early 90s european dub: french, spaniard, portuguese or italian.
SONGOHANDA
>spaniard dub
Onda vital
Just a reminder that Bruce Faulconer composed less than 5% of the Faulconer score but takes credit for all of it and pretends the 3 musicians who made the other 95% don't exist while paying them 11/ hour to make music for the BIGGEST cartoon on cartoon network at the time.
bruce is trash
funimation is trash, schemmel and sabat are ego driven assholes who bring shame to dragon ball
the dub is trash
anime is meant to be enjoyed the way the original author intended, it doesn't matter what you think or grandma joke #243545 you parrot from reddit, if funimation did to a popular modern anime what they did to DBZ in the 90s and aughts, they'd get fucking crucified
>anime is meant to be enjoyed the way the original author intended,
Says who? I'll watch a straight up fan edit if it's good
>nah bro im gonna look at the mona lisa with 3d glasses on it because ITS HOW I PREFER IT YOU F
just shut the fuck up already
stop being an obtuse little shit and perceive reality you delusional homosexual
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DISLIKE REEE
The only delusional homosexual here is you. The voice sucks and if I was in charge of the Japanese dub I'd replace it.
The japanese soundtracks of both DB and even Super are better than DBZ too. Cope.
Most authors and artists are fags who don't understand their work anyway. I appreciate their work in the way I deem fit. Half for my enjoyment, half to spite them.
This
>watch a Japanese work
>don’t watch it in it’s purest form
It’s like you’re ashamed of watching anime and need it westernized
I disagree. There's voice actors in Italy that put a ton of effort into sounding exactly like the original actors but in their own language for example.
High pitched grown up Goku sounds retarded no matter how twisted your schoolgirl panties are, fucking weebs
Neither Goku voices are good
Dub Goku can scream but he can't act for shit, any time he has to say anything with any feeling it's cringe
wrong
All cartoons are dubbed
They don’t have real voices
sub is the best way to watch OG
T4S is the best way to watch Z
Buu and everything after is all dogshit and you shouldn't watch it at all
>surpasses funnykino
Just gonna drop the OCEAN DUB
the dub we needed but didn't deserve
Do you prefer Kid Gohan having a girly voice or a scratchy voice exactly the same as kid Goku?
>I am the Super Saiyan, Son Goku!
vs
>I AM THE HOPE OF THE UNIVERSE I AM TRUTH
>ALLY TO GOOD NIGHTMARE TO YOU
>ALLY TO GOOD NIGHTMARE TO YOU
That cringe line is really what you want to pick to show off how good the dub is?
babidi always looked cute to me.
>Mexican dub>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japanese dub>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA dub
only if you're mexican
is there a mexican specific dub? surely it's just a spanish language dub. Or is there actually a special needs dub alongside the spanish language one?
there is spanish dub for spanishtards and the mexican dub
seems superfluous
EN Goku is one of the few times you can say dub beats sub
Grandma Goku can sound good but the EN just sounds better
The dub absolutely butchered this scene, holy fuck. Dubtards are literal drooling retards.
What do you mean anon? You didn't like Gohan having an inner monologue about how Android 16 was just an android without feelings?
This really needs a Linkin Park song in the background.
>just gobbling up this goofy jpop
delusional
we get it, nu-metal is the only thing that makes you feel like a man, nobody cares
I was TWELVE
that's not true
sometimes bulma makes me feel like a man, at least for a few miserable seconds
and yeah, that ritual includes nu metal. don't be a bigot
the nu-metal soundtracks are a bit cheesy but the genre as a whole is reddit repllent so I'll never truly hate on it
This is the only dbz thread I've ever seen that isn't severely autistic. Does that mean Cinemaphile has no mexicans?
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>the music
>the dialogue
i love how vegeta actually sounds like a prince in japanese
in the dub sabat completely fails to capture brian drummond's brilliance and falls back on a variation of his piccolo/yamcha voice and just makes him sound like some low class gruff warrior, completely trash
JP Vegeta sounds great i agree
>you will never be Japanese
>no Japanese will fuck you for being a purist weeb
DBZ dubs are overall way superior to the japanese
That's because back then studios put a lot of heart into dubs
spic dub >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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ill say one good thing about funimation
stephanie nadolny did a great job as goku
i would have loved to see her vocal take on adult goku, like a parity thing with masako nozawa since she voices both kid and adult as well
i bet she would have nailed Daima out of the park, but unfortunately funimation is a piece of shit company that threw her under the bus like the others
I mean, Stephania Nadolny is good for pretty much any little boy character.
>would have loved to see her vocal take on adult goku
No, anon, this is the japanese brainwashing you into believing it should be that way.
even putting aside everything else, goku's japanese VA is better
goku is a comedy character
he's an idiot
he's a feral monkey man
all of that is what makes him a fun and interesting character
the JP voice sells that
it gives him texture
super man already exists, we don't need another conventionally perfect super human hero
if goku's JP voice bothers you or diminishes from your enjoyment of the more serious scenes, you're too young (and too insecure) to be posting on this website. Stop engaging in pre-juvenile power fantasies. Enjoy goku for who he is, not for the merchandising opportunity that the dub staff want you to think he is.
>guys, this super powerful protagonist is TOTALLY supposed to sound like an old woman
>it's retarded and tonally jarring ON PURPOSE
>but the music is fitting though, totally appropriate
Subfags on suicidewatch
>CONTRAST IS GOOD WITH VOICE AND CHARACTER
>>what about the music fitting the scene?
>NO, IT'S MORE EPIC AND APPROPRIATE
can't even keep their stories straight lol
>goku is a comedy character
>he's an idiot
>he's a feral monkey man
All of these can work in tandem with him being a serious character when he needs to.
Him powering up against Frieza for the first time or turning SS3 wasn't comedic.
Nozawa does the serious scenes better too though. She can put an edge in her voice that the dub cant
You could make the argument she's a better VA than Sean and I'd happily agree. But she's not a good choice for an adult male character. Cast her as Chi Chi or Gohan, by all means.
Chi Chi should've been voiced by Sabat. Ultimate dommy mommy.
Based. Goku's voice is supposed to reflect the easy going kindhearted idiot behind the musclehead. Even if not the granny, Goku still shouldn't have an overly deep voice so the dub still misses the entire point of the character and the only people who like that are manchildren that probably dream about stories about "serious" Transformers or Power Rangers.
There's plenty of serious moments in DBZ, I'd even argue the Japanese version of Goku veers more into an anti-hero than the Superman version of the dub.
There's a subset of anons on here that want everything and I mean every single thing to be as goofy and as campy as possible, anime notwithstanding.
You talk about Americans being this and that, but I think it's an almost exclusively American phenomenon to turn everything into a Whedon-fest.
>turn everything into a Whedon-fest
the thing about Whedonshit that's annoying isn't the silliness, it's the insecurity dripping off of it. Making something and then taking the piss out of the thing you just made is the most cowardly thing an artist can possibly do. It has none of the stakes required to make something yourself, and requires significantly less talent and effort than actually criticizing or mocking something that someone else made.
There is a difference between Whedon quip-ism and the goofyness in something like DBZ. Whedon will tell jokes immediately after or during a serious moment to make the moment less serious, but DBZ doesn't do that at all. Even in Super the serious moments are generally pretty serious, with no quips or anything. But that doesn't stop them from putting out fillers about the superpowered planet busters going to driving school or whatever.
I know but my point is not everything needs to be turned into a filler. Those are the most skipped episodes in general.
It's not really about goofyness per se. The contrast between Goku's build and his voice is about the character's nature, it's an auditive clue about what kind of person he is. You lose that if you give him a deep gruff voice.
But muh cool adult male voice 🙁
The entire appeal of the thing, sub or dub, is
>muh
Without appeal, the show is shit.
Dragon Ball has always been a parody of male power fantasies, why else do you think Vegeta is such a jobber?
A parody would mean Goku should have an even deeper voice. And no, just because it has humor in it doesn't mean it's a straight up parody.
You don't even understand the show.
How is casting a grandma as a masculine superhero not a gesture of parody?
The grandma voiced him when he was a kid, dumbass. They just never recast her. Glad to see you agree it's ill-fitting though. Especially in non-comedy relief situations like the fight with Frieza.
If it’s for any reason besides parody, for example tradition and a sense of cultural fan loyalty to individual character voice actors
goku needed to do to vegeta what vegeta did to nappa
toriyama is literally crying about it to this day
>why didn't i just kill him god please make the fanbase hate him
>Dragon Ball has always been [insert headcanon]
Toriyama doesn’t treat this series like it’s an epic space opera, the latest DB series announcement should’ve tipped you off. It has always been a string of shitposts that were occasionally shifted into more dramatic storytelling because of editorial intervention.
No, it just has moments of levity in it. This does not make it a parody nor a satire.
Have you actually read the original DB manga chapters? The whole thing began as a spoof of ancient mythology and various pop cult influences.
That's not what parody means. Those are simply influences. Dragon Ball Z Abridged is a parody.
>Dragon Ball Z Abridged is a shit parody
Fixed that for you.
i have no clue how people watch that shit
DBZA is kinda shit at first but it gets better over time and actual Z gets worse. By the start of the cell saga, DBZA is the superior way to watch the show.
Nah. DBZA was good at the beginning, but once they started to think of themselves as voice actors, it became pure shit. The only thing worse than them circlejerking about it, is the fans, like you, who claim it's the best way to watch the show.
It's a parody of Journey to the West which is from the 16th Century, not ancient.
Correct. The word you're looking for is pastiche however, not parody.
Fair enough, that is more accurate.
It’s a comedy action comic. I wouldn’t call it a pure parody, but Toriyama has been clowning with his manga pages since before Dr Slump. Dragonball however isn’t meta or anything, and the characters don’t screw with the panels or make jokes about the medium. However this is a slight silliness to all of it, even during intense fights characters like King Kai are funny as shit
>Dragonball however isn’t meta or anything, and the characters don’t screw with the panels or make jokes about the medium.
C’mon man, that isn’t true. Goku punches Yamcha into the manga borders. There’s a scene where Krillin criticises Toriyama for repeating Manga frames during a chapter on the fusion dance.
Oh sure, if that’s true then that counts. There’s not too much of it though iirc
It doesn’t help that Goku is jacked and has masculine facial features
Sean's voice isn't really that deep most of the time, he just sounds like a man.
He alternates between a goofball and a hardass depending on the context.
Piccolo and Vegeta have deeper voices.
>Muh no true Scotsman
The dub voice does all of the things to. I don't see an issue.
>goku is a comedy character
>he's an idiot
mega midwit take
he literally thinks marriage is a kind of food
NO he’s a HEROIC MANLY MAN who routinely puts earth in jeopardy because of his canonical mental retardation. You’re supposed to take him super seriously
damn, talk about seething
>lol u mad
Great counter mate
just because he's silly doesn't mean he's constantly in clown mode
He’s silly during incredibly pivotal scenes, he decides to spare Vegeta and Frieza because “they might see the light”. He lets Dr. Gero build the androids, he’s incredibly non-chalant and evasive during the week’s lead up to the Cell games. He sends his son to fight a god without consulting him beforehand.
and so far it has always worked out in the end
No it didn’t, they needed to introduce time travel because of badly it worked out
goku was going to die from a heart disease anyway
and if he saved the day in every single instance (he already does in the majority) it would've been boring
Goku is a kind and good soul not a evil maniac who kills everyone he defeats. Dragonball wishes ensure people can be resurrected if mega fuckups happen
Let’s face it, it wouldn’t be evil to just finish off Frieza. Goku’s incompetence is proven by how many deus ex machinas Toriyama had to introduce in order to bail the Z gang out.
Goku would have left Frieza there to presumably die but Frieza asked for help. Goku’s entire morality is “what would Jesus do?” and the answer is not stomp his skull in after asking for mercy even if he’s a bad guy.
But Frieza deserves it, he’s killed trillions.
essentially exactly the same joke and the same level of retardation
He misunderstood it as a child because he was raised alone in the wilderness yeah, he’s a socially inept genius who simply can’t comprehend the complicated web of social interactions always going on, but I mean that fades away as he gets older, once in a while he’ll make a scene in public by suddenly transmitioning in front of a crowd or something but he learned. At the same time it’s all meaningless bullshit so he only learned what he needed and tunes it out the rest of the time because he has more important shit on his kind. You think he let go of Raditz’s tail because he was just a big stupid?
He is an idiot that mainly cares about fighting, even the creator said so. Goku isn’t some deep character
Both are correct. He's a whimsical retard who gets down to business when the universe is at stake. One doesn't cancel out the other. Spider-Man is very similar, except he's more of a quipster than a straight up fool.
nta either of them
there's certainly a difference between what goku was and what he is now
i love this meme and i wish it wasn't true
its always trigun, cowboy bebop and evangelion
do you know why it's always these?
think real hard
something to do with the fact that they're old
because
>it's what was shoveled in front of my face as a teenager by some broadcasting corporation, so this is indicative of its quality somehow!
it's the same shit in the same threads going in circles every time, much like talking to a wall
eva didn't get aired on TV until like 6 years after the dub. By then it was already big and popular in the anime fandom.
Jap score sounds like morning cartoon music.
American score sounds badass
And therein lies the issue, Americans want everything to be cool whereas Japan wants to maintain that goofy energy
Not really an issue tbh 🙂
Yeah that worked out for sonic the hedgehog didn’t it?
I wouldn't know because I haven't cared about sonic in a long time. If you're referring to the Sonic X anime, I don't think it was awful.
you don't think DBZ is goofy enough by design? it needs jester voices? it works fine for japanese boomer stage plays, but a might too much for this series
DBZ is badass though
DB was the goofy one. It needed a music change the same way goku needed a new VA
It's weird, because while DB is goofier overall, it also arguably has more edge to it in some cases.
Piccolo stepping on Goku’s wound was a brutal moment. Only the Krillin stabbing in DBZ comes close to that moment
correct. goku killed more people at the red ribbon army base than he did in all of Z.
MY SKIN IS COOOOOOLD
Idk what funimation was smoking when they chose pantera for this movie's music but they need to get back on it ASAP
Kino.
Brazil's got the best dub for DBZ and it is not particularly close
They went way overboard in DBS though
Based.
rock the dragon is dogshit
Yes. It's baffling DB ever got popular with you fatties with such an atrocious dub.
For me it's ocean
Goku's JP voice has a funny rural accent and hasn't changed since kid goku
That's why it's iconic for Japs and non-Japanese speakers literally can't convince Japs it's bad
AND I think it's perfectly understandable that people who can't tell the difference between Japanese rural accents and normal Japanese to avoid JP dub
if you manchildren really want everything to be as cool as possible, you're watching the wrong show entirely. fist of the north star and berserk already exist. And there's also GI Joe and TMNT and all those other toy commercial shows that are pretty much exactly what you're asking for.
No, dumbass, you can't apply this logic to everything. Now go jerk off to Schumacher Batman again.
Shit post
Pretty weird analysis. Out of all the DB shows, DBZ IS the "cool" one of the bunch, consciously so.
TMNT is a lot more campy, if even only by design.
Sounds like you're just embarrassed to take it seriously so you need it to be as goofy as possible. In other words you're the machilid.
Do Anons seriously consider Sean Schemmel as a “””cool””” presence? He sounds like a generic action hero man, which is the complete antithesis of who Goku is.
He sounds like an adult male which is a large plus in itself
If you have boring taste and vacuous ideals, maybe
Following your logic, Goku would be better off as a transgender as to be more interesting and less generic.
Deranged, accept this concession
If Goku's VA changed in the Jap version the show would be insurmountably better.
Let that child alone.
>Hey! Frieza! Leave that kid alone
There is a huge difference between the wacky aspects of a manga/anime and snarky whedon crap.
My mexican friend was telling me the spanish dub is much better than the english dub. Is this true? I wouldn't be surprised because of how populare it is in latin america
Judge for yourself
ORE WA
SUPA BEJITA
DA
why he cant defeat a main villain yet? did he defeated granola?
I kneel
I squeal
My headcanon isn't real
I cope
I mope
Someone hand me a rope
I sin
I never win
I belong in a trash bin
I job
I'm a slob
I'm too short
To reach the doorknob
I smell like a trashbag
My wife's an old hag
I am... a Vegeta fan
I think we can all agree that the ocean dub was an abomination
I liked ocean dub's Piccolo
after playing legends for so long with nip voices the english dub just sounds awkward
goku IS the granny
Original English dub is pure shit.
Watch any episode, and you'll notice how there's music going on every single second, like they were afraid American viewers were too retarded to pay attention without music playing.
The Goku speech was certainly bad, but to me the worst part of the dub was when Gohan turns SS2 against Cell.
Oirignal
>Gohan is silent as he watches what was Android 16
dub
>"Ugh! Android 16 got killed!!! He was JUST an android! I can't let this happen. No. I won't. I can't anymore!"
the spanish dub is the true answer
t. 50% english 25% irish 25% scandinavian heritage
I seriously feel bad for those who didn't watch it with the original soundtrack.
The best part of it, is how it changed a lot during the Buu Saga, making it feel like a brand new era.
>Bruce Faulconer
>KINO
latin dub or gtfo with your sushinagasakibombnotenoughjapass old lady voice
has anyone considered that maybe that old woman voices goku because she's a good voice actress? JP goku's various happy noises are perfect and iconic.
Definitely, plus Goku is specifically meant to be childish throughout his whole life. It works
As a kid, yeah. As a 30-40 year old man? No. I get that it's a Saiyan and thus not human, but why don't the other Saiyans have childish voices too?
You can convey an infantile nature without needing to make the character sound like he has a rare genetic disorder in his voice.
OG dragonball is better anyways, so even given your premise (that JP kid goku is better but EN adult goku is better), I would rather take the hit on the Z content to get the best possible kid content.
OG dragonball is dogshit until it turns into Z lite with endless tournaments.
those tournaments have all the best fights in the franchise because they aren't all constantly levitating yet. They have actual choreography and martial arts on the ground instead of mid-air head on beam struggles.
>those tournaments have all the best fights in the franchise
What an amazing fight. Incredible choreography
Why do kids's voices in American dubs always sound like they're having throat cancer?
>there are people who think the dub is good
Also when Freeza stabs Krillin and says YEPPERO COWBOY
The kai English voices were all better than the original funimation ones.
Frieza sounds so awkward here, the voice doesn’t fit his design. Kai’s quiet soft tone fits his sleek look much better
A mixture of both would be the best but I mostly prefer kai too
Frieza having a creepy androgynous voice felt better to me, his Kai voice is just gay.
Not even going to respond to Kaitrannies, but yeah Frieza’s real voice is perfect. Besides his final form has a filter over the voice so it’s deeper and more guttural than his first form. Was that wicked deep second form voice the same lady with a crazy filter or someone else?
yeah, that's what I mean when I say a mix would be the most ideal
If you're over 15 and still watching shounen you have mental issues.
I remember when weebs said the original soundtrack was better. Then Kai came out and people said that was better, and were upset it changed back when the guy was caught stealing. So much for that OST being untouchable lmao
The people who hate sub are the same ones that thought linkin park amvs were cool.
They're cool when you're a young teen, i.e. the main demographic. That's the person whose enjoyment matters when it comes to shows like this.
Outside of that though, the actual voice work in the dub is preferable. They could've read the lines in Japanese and they'd still sound more akin to the characters.
Funimation VAs are insufferable pozzed turbohomosexuals.
Why did the dub rewrite so much of the dialogue? What was the point?
To appeal more to western audiences.
To counter some of the weirder aspects of DB
You're telling me this shit
was less weird than just having Freeza chuckle a bit like in the japanese voiceover?
What I should’ve said is that dubs counter what American broadcasters consider “wierd”, things like mentions of hell or the afterlife
>vegeta says it's your turn to fuck my wife
Dragonball(Z) Seasons 1-14, US broadcast version, and the 15 DBZ movies. The absolute pinnacle of anything kino ever aspired to be. Christ himself solemnly nodded in agreement with me here.
>the first cooler movie had the best american soundtrack of all time
Wow I'm so stunning and brave to say this
I like how Japanese Freeza has a laugh associated with arrogant noble women in Japan.
Surprised the /dbs/ schizos haven't invaded this thread
>Goku hatred
They have.
Goku's jap voice is too jarring, I agree.
The original soundtrack is better though.
t. Mexipad
Goku is smart, he just doesn't apply himself to anything intellectual because it's not in his area of interest at all. He often comes up with out of the box ideas, like when he asked Dr. Briefs to reverse engineer the pod he came to Earth in as a baby and alter the gravity controls so he could train with it.
He also makes terrible decisions like sparing Vegeta and Dr. Gero because he's amoral and wants a fight, not because he's oblivious. He knows it could potentially destroy the Earth and outright accepts that as a possible consequence because fuck it.
He's like someone who's an expert in one thing and is fine being a retard when dealing with other subjects. Like if someone studies linguistics then they're going to be a complete retard when discussing physics, but they're fine with that. Goku is a fighting genius and that's where all of his interests are, full-stop.
I once asked a professional translator if translation is supposed to match the literal meaning or match the style and impact of the original. He sighed as if I had just asked a theologian to solve the problem of evil on the spot.
What a pseud.
it's about doing the best you can with what you have to work with
see
if you can't hear this you're probably circumcised and not actually watching dragon ball z
I've watched the english dub and I prefer the sub over the dub.
I still marvel at how universally popular Dragon Ball is.