>"Stop, my invincible son."
Clark had not discovered his invulnerability, super speed or flight yet.
>Superman killing Zod.
Happens in both Superman 2 and the comics.
What other dishonest criticisms have been level at this film?
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The final battle goes on for way too long. It becomes exhausting and then boring.
It's not that bad. I've watched dragon ball z battles so this is nothing to me.
>Imagine thinking this.
Genuinely one of my favourite cinema experiences ever. God, I miss 2013
Best year of my life. I have much nostalgia for it.
I'm supposed to find all those ps2 jeetpixels swirling around exciting?
Boring
compared to what
Two literal gods fighting, it's not supposed to go fast
i disagree i think it’s kindo
The Jesus symbolism
spbp. Superman isn't supposed to be jesus he's meant to be the israeli Meschiach.
lmao ew? why would you want that instead of our literal lord and savior you homosexual?
so it’s israelites and fedoras who don’t like this movie
makes sense
>Clark had not discovered his invulnerability, super speed or flight yet.
He definitely had.
He had, and that is the reason Pa waved him off... he knew Clark better than anyone. He knew Clark's first instinct would be to fly right over there and snap both his and the dog's necks.
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It was boring and disjointed. The pacing was all over the place.
Amy Adams was miscast
CGI slop fest in the vein of Matrix Revolutions.
True.
>i don't like the flavor
Has nothing to do with it being good or bad and not a real criticism.
Space horses
>Clark had not discovered his invulnerability, super speed or flight yet.
What the frick? There is a valid defense for that scene but it's not this. This is a bait post
It's kino.
It's bad because I did not like it
unironically a more valid, logical, and even respectable opinion than "stop invincible son"
>"Just let them drown next time my super strong son."
He's ~20 when 9/11 happens and didn't bother to go help.
Commits his own 9/11 by flying Zod into the city even though they were fighting in an empty field.
Also, they didn't give us any fanservice by showing us how hot Antje Traue looked as Faora.
>how hot Antje Traue looked as Faora
Damn, I thought I was the only one who felt like that. She was really hot in that role.
I don't give a shit about Zod or the kryptonians.
Too much product placement.
>"Stop, my invincible son."
Father Kent was protecting his son's identity.
I’m fairly certain Clark could’ve saved Pa Kent and the bystanders wouldn’t have questioned it much.
>and the bystanders wouldn’t have questioned it much.
the kids he saved on the bus made their parents freak out pretty good and jon kent had to go hard to convince the town to shut the frick up about it
considering the tornado was closer to a city it meant a lot more exposure, you'd have a panic going on
I don’t know, Clark could’ve just said he got lucky. I think they would’ve been more relieved that they didn’t just witness Pa Kent die horrifically in front of them.
>outruns a tornado at a speed no human can achieve
>"just got lucky i guess"
thank frick you don't write movies
Snyder’s Superman could’ve easily zipped in and saved Pa Kent before any of the bystanders knew what happened. His speed would be imperceptible to them.
>jon goes to help the dog and others, everyone sees him
>suddenly clark disappears and suddenly jon is no longer near the storm but with the crowd safe and sound
>somehow nobody notices
you can't write your way out of this
Superman is so fast that to them it wouldn’t even look like Clark had vanished. Sure they wouldn’t be able to explain it, but to their eyes Clark had been standing there the whole time.
yeah now explain pa kent teleporting several hundred feet
Sure, I’m just saying they couldn’t connect it to Clark. It would be an apparent miracle.
except he didn't know he had super speed at that time, so he might not have been able to reach his full potential and could have slipped up
there are literally no ways in which this scenario would work anon stop trying to course correct a scene that doesn't need it
Clark was definitely well aware he possessed super strength and speed when that scene takes place.
strength yes
he hadn't done any speed stuff yet, you might be confusing the opening act where he saves the oil platform for him being younger, that's incorrect.
How could he not be aware of his inherent abilities? That doesn’t make sense.
So in your headcanon, Clark had never tried to run before?
>except he didn't know he had super speed at that time
Snyder like the Smallville show with Tom Welling. That's why there was the whole tornado scene in the first place. At that point Clark would have had super speed, strength/invincibility (developing as he gets older), heat vision, X-Ray vision and leaping long distances.
His father wouldn't survive the whiplash from that.
He could have made it to there and back with a light jog, you’re acting like there was a mile between them.
>you’re acting like there was a mile between them
there was enough distance that him getting pinned was a big deal since the storm came considerably closer
no he could not have made it there on a light jog.
you stupid fricks don't even watch the shit you criticize
See
at that point in his life no clark did not experiment with his powers, pa kent made it clear to him after the bus incident
this isn't headcanon it's in the film, clark doesn't start doing random hero shit until after jon kicks it
I’m not talking about experimenting with his powers. For your logic to work, Clark would have had to never even moved beyond a walking pace in his life before. Makes no sense.
you're calling my logic out when you're just making ridiculous shit up. after clark saves the bus pa kent forbids him from using his powers. the storm starts up roughly 100 yards from the kent automobile and travels at a fast pace so that by the time clark is at the overpass he's too far to get to pa kent without using super speed. it's not that hard to get you quadruple moron.
Your assertion that he somehow didn’t know he had superhuman speed is ludicrous. He would’ve discovered it the first time he ran as a boy.
he wouldn't know if he didn't attempt it, idiot. he might know he can go faster than what should be considered normal but he wouldn't know just how fast he could run.
A light jog to Superman would still be insanely fast. He was definitely aware of his powers.
and still people would notice it, which is exactly why pa told him no. have a nice day.
No one’s gonna notice a guy running a bit faster than a normal human when there’s a fricking tornado in front of them, and if they did it can be brushed off with “uh idk adrenalines a crazy thing I guess”.
everyone's gonna notice it you fricking homosexual
If he doesn’t go sonic speeds, no they aren’t you fricking moron, do you think one of them is carrying a speedometer?
>erm Clark looks like you ran 12 mph instead of the human speed limit of 8
No one’s going to fricking care.
Superman is almost as fast as The Flash, so nobody would be able to register it.
>outruns a tornado
??
>Go to pa kent more or less fast
>both get inside the car
>Stomp your feet on the ground, through the car, into the concrete
>ground the car, yourself and pa
>cover pa kent with your own body for extra protection against flying shit
>wait it out
>"Oh I guess the car was heavy"
0 questions asked nor need for investigation
What the frick do they expect to go down?
The entire mob crowds the car screaming
>You just saved your fricking dad you butthole! What the frick is wrong with you?! Get that freak who saved his dad out here, let's beat his ass!
I'm giving an alternative moron proof idea that's not outrunning the tornado and bringing pa kent with the people on the underpass
Personally, I think the scene is already moronic and Clark already made his choice saving the bus, there's no need for pa kent to "wait it out in case you change your mind and don't want to save people"
He already did, no questions asked, by himself, even if he puts himself in danger (if he didn't knew he could survive)
Pa kents actions were stupid, he already made a choice
I agree, it's a pretty disjointed movie all around.
And the fact that the
>should I save people?
subplot continues into BvS is even stupider.
oh i get it now you're a shitskin who isn't used to reality
i'm so sorry anon, i wouldn't have been so harsh if i realized you weren't white right off the bat
The frick does that have to do with anything?
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tornado-clarksville-tennessee-baby-survives-b2465083.html
And what would have happen if the world knows about Clark's powers? They can't do anything to him.
Only people like Lex that learn about kryptonite could do harm to him but even with that it's very difficult to kill him.
>Clark had not discovered his invulnerability, super speed or flight yet
Oh, shit! I love this movie now?!
Yeah man! I'd love to watch my father die and do nothing knowing I have enough strength to lift a bus full of children. This comment changed eve.ry.thing!!
>Happens in both Superman 2 and the comics.
Oh did it? That makes it ok then! All is forgiven! Superman should also fought muhamed ali and meet santa claus because it happened in the comics too!
I love murder!
>I love murder
you sound dumb as frick
he killed Zod to save the family
i think superman is extremely gay but this was kino. saw it in the theater with my dad
This reminds me of this argument I had with some gay on Cinemaphile
He said spiderman 3 is a perfect way to end a franchise
I said "he cheated on MJ, punched her and she doesn't know why, also her career tanked and she will always be in his shadows, peter caused a rukus on his job and his grades fell" and this idiot basically says
"So? It all got solved off screen"
Why do people think that just because they like or grew up with something, it can't be criticized?
>Superman killing Zod.
it was a mistake because he was the only good villain in the snyderverse
>le dude if god is le heckin' good he can't be heckin' all powerful
how about the completely avoidable mass genocide that was committed because Clark was too moronic to fight in a secluded spot?
Clark's bloodlust is kino and you cant tell me otherwise. There was this scene where clark was fighting faora in a diner filled with people eating their brekkie. Clark just starts throwing hand grenade punches in their vicinity, zero regard for their organs getting liquified, and the best part IT WAS FAORA WHO HAD TO TAKE THE FIGHT AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE, SAVING THEM FROM GETTING MUSHED BY CLARK
Kevin Costner's motivation makes no sense for a normal person but makes sense for the brand of a comic superhero, that is, keeping your secret identity is supposed to be more valuable than a bus full of children because it's staying true to the brand of Superman. It's an odd trend in some movies that keeping secrets is seen as some virtue that would be worthy of death if broken. I can't imagine a club or organization that would promote such an idea, because keeping secrets is not inherently virtuous, but is more of a sign of corruption and collusion.
Costner's character motivation wasn't based on the need of a secret identity, but rather in giving his son the freedom of choice to decide his own future.
He's showing his unruly boy what type of morality is correct.
Saving the dog ultimately is the same as the ubermensch saving a human.
He's trying to avoid Clark becoming arrogant by doing what is right.
People are so jaded they don't understand genuine goodness and so won't understand this movie either
>bro has already saved an entire bus of kids from drowning
>has entire talk with dad about not being human and being able to save people
>apparently doesn't know that he can survive things people usually can't
Jesus Sneederfans are moronic.
>Son remember when you clearly survived a bus crash and easily saved everyone else without a scratch on you while they flailed around like the inferior species they are?
>Don't do that again for me in the tornado because...
>People might be more suspicious than they already are or something...
>Okay, bye son!
Flying black dildoes and other barely coded gay shit. But most of you love that stuff lol.
Cavill is a poof and all his fans are poofs. b***hy gays are insufferable.
Why every Zack Snyder's movie feels like a cult indoctrination for maladjusted men?
It would have been an okayish superman movie if the last act wasn't so shit.
But the last act is the best.
Bets Snyder film imo
Love man of steel. Great soundtrack too. Deserved a proper standalone sequel.
I hate that BvS started explaining that it takes place 18 months after MoS, and in BvS you've all those paper clips showing all the big heroic exploits Superman did off-screen in between both movies. It is so obvious BvS was supposed to be the third movie of a trilogy.
It's just not believable that he wouldn't save his dad regardless of the consequences.
My criticism of MoS has always been that it's rushed. It feels like two movies in one, the Zod story should have been Superman 2, they needed something smaller for the main plot of the first film.
It has great moments, with a lot of the flashbacks to young Clark and the bit where he saves Lois in the Kryptonian ship is the best bit of Superman for decades:
Makes me sad because you see how good Cavill could be as Supes there, the mixture of gentleness and strength and decency, like a good firefighter or paramedic.
How do you defend this?
Girls love walking nukes
This movie would have been 10/10 if Godzilla had showed up for the final fight in Manhatten.
The way it is right now I can only give it a 5/10.
kino
>>"Stop, my invincible son."
>Clark had not discovered his invulnerability, super speed or flight yet.
nor Pa Kent had discovered his brain
No one ever mentions how bad the physics in the movie are.
>supe falls trying to fly
>obliterates mountain top
>punches sends them through buildings
>gets hit with an I-beam.....barely cracks the concrete.
It's similar to wolverine having sword fights with regular steel. When in actuality they would slice through the swords like hot metal through butter
>It's similar to wolverine having sword fights with regular steel. When in actuality they would slice through the swords like hot metal through butter
Why
This is my favourite kapekino movie and I will not apologise.
just let them die peter
- "you're the answer to 'are we alone in the universe?'"
- Clark/Lois romance feels rushed
- Metropolis looks like something out of Fallout by the time the fight is over (superman should have dragged his ass into space or a desert or something)
-Grimdark colors
-Stop, my invincible son
etc.
Still a decent flick though
>superman should have dragged his ass into space or a desert or something
Easier to say. Try to control another dude that can fly superfast and is as stronger as you. Knoews how to fight better because it's a soldier since he was born.
Zod couldn't fly at the beginning of the fight/Superman had greater experience with and command of his powers than Zod did and Supes was in his physical prime while Zod was an old man. And he didn't even try to get Zod out of there.
Zod was not and old man, he was older than Clark but not an old man. And Clark was a farmer while Zod was trained since he was born to be a soldier.
There's an 8 year difference between the actors in real life. We have to assume there's an even greater difference between the characters because Zod was like late 20s to mid 30s when Kal was just a baby, not to mention all the other stuff I said in my post. Either way, Superman won the fight, sooooooooooo
>Oh no, those CGI buildings are collapsed. my post-traumatic stress caused by 9/11 is returning. Aaaaahhhhhhhh
Why are Americans like this?
Why are you Indian?
>superman should only fight in a remote desert where NO innocent people can be hurt or cgi buildings can get blown up
Why are americans so fricking gay?
That's what Goku does in your favorite anime, Pablo Koothrappali
To me it's the best Superman movie, but I was also never a big fan of the character so maybe that's why.
Just thought the way he reacted to situations was realistic and not as idealistic as a fully formed veteran boy scout that he would inevitably become in the future.
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
i love bvs and it's unbelievable it turned out so good considering sneeder made nothing but israeli garbage after that. zsjl was cool for its fan movement novelty but in the end it was a bloated mess where every character had daddy issues, it looked like some family sitcom from the 80s. totally clueless and cliche-ridden
It's pointless to keep discussing this movie. The lines have been drawn and will never change. On one side there's people who recognized the artistry and SOUL of the movie back in the day and then there's those still stuck in 2013 reddit-film-critic mcu-good-anything-different-bad mentality that will never accept they were wrong.
I will not be accepting any (You)s, btw.
Kino
i see these fanbases form almost a shield for their bases
snyderverse (at least snyder made a couple entertaining films)
the rlm guys
that adult swim guy and his internet shows
now "the ripperverse" generic black comic has a base of fans w/o compromise
what is the unifying factors with these niche entertainment groups
i want to frick faora (my wife)
saved
>"Stop, my invincible son."
The is the only real flaw in the movie and I cannot defend it. I really can't. But otherwise MoS is GOAT tier.
I really wish Snyder would team up again with Nolan or somebody that can harness his directing abilities and keep his less desirable tendencies in check. The world needs more MoS tier snyder.
the male lead is a charisma vacuum and box office poison
Every single Snyder movie is miserable. I don't care about what you think is "valid", as a Snyder fan you are lower than dirt.