Not only is this a shit film on its own, compared to the Wilder movie its downright atrocious.
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Not only is this a shit film on its own, compared to the Wilder movie its downright atrocious.
Nah it's better than the old one.
How so?
It's more accurate to the source material and Charlie is more likeable and a better actor.
>It's more accurate to the source material
That has no bearing on the quality of a film
>Charlie is more likeable and a better actor.
I unironically like the remake more than the original but the actor who plays Charlie is the worst part about it
It's not like the Charlie in the 71 one was very interesting either. Hell they even swapped the Charlie part out of the original title for Willy Wonka.
it had a weird charm to it
By this logic Kubrick's movies are shit.
Kubrick's Shining is highly overrated, yes.
It's better than The Miniseries which is more accurate. It's as if accuracy doesn't make a movie better.
But it is one of the factors to be considered.
what for? do you teach english?
The miniseries is more similar to the 1971 Chocolate Factory movie because both have shitty production values and set design that looks like a shitty made for TV movie.
Except it’s not. Go read a book
That's because you grew up being groomed. Depp played this as a Michael Jackson pedo parody.
this
Absolutely based
DeppSimps are legit mentally ill.
HE'S NOT GOING TO FRICK YOU
Guy is pretty fruity, i wouldn't put it past him
I literally just prefer the aesthetics
fpbp
This. I admit Wilder is a kino actor but my heart prefers this one
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Depp's Wonka is the weakest link and some of the imagery is too slick but I vastly prefer it to the Gene Wilder version
This. 2005 Wonka is eccentric and bizarre, exactly how he would be from his childhood and living in a factory with a bunch of loompas for years
It's OK
ehh
It gave me a crippling berry inflation fetish that I’ve carried with me for over 15 years
wut
Stupid forced Cinemaphile meme, just ignore.
But dicky!
For me, it's Veruca
You live with your parents. I don't really care what you think.
free room and board and meals its based
You can pretend you're doing it to save money instead of what we all know that you don't have enough money to do it.
i have no intentions of moving out
Oh I'm sure you don't. Your life is going to be a laugh riot when your parents pass when you're old and even uglier with your meager savings.
>momma...poppa
What the frick was the point of the ptsd flashbacks? The actual flashbacks showed he had no mom and his dad was just an butthole.
The Augustus Gloop song is catchy, I'll give it that.
It regularly has been getting stuck in my head since it came out. I haven't seen it in years but just seeing the OP image did it again.
It's good. You can keep seething
It's better
veruca and violet are cuter in the 2005 flick
Crispai did it better.
New one has better set design
Old one looks like it's made of cardboard and glue at times, not to mention the brown water river
it was also made in like 1970
The Wizard of Oz was made in 1939 mate
no it didn't. it was an abomination compared to the first movie. and I love Depp, but he sucked in this role. wilder was perfect for it. the film should never have been redone. ever.
100%
5%
I liked everything that wasn't charlie, wonka and the factory.
Yeah, Charlie was a dweeb. The original Charlie at least acted like a realistic kid.
The new music sucked
this movie is a fricking mess. its more fun to watch than the original just because its such a fricking train wreck
How did Burton frick it up so much?
Tried way too hard to make it Burtonesque because remaking Willy Wonka was a big deal at the time.
It doesn’t even come off as burtonesque, if anything the original was more gothic,
He lost his edge years ago.
Pretty sure his wife Helena Bonham Carter found a way to steal his mojo and soul after years of trying
Pretty much this. CGI ruined his shit.
>CGI ruined his shit.
bingo
you write f weird
I hurt my writing finger by fingerbanging your daughter too often
based
Hehe
sneed
Sweeney Todd is his best movie and Dark shadows was frickin great
Also corpse bride mogs all his other animated films
Corpse Bride is so much better than Nightmare as a movie it's crazy. NBC is pretty boring and short, even if the animation is great but Corpse Bride is better at that and everything else.
>Corpse Bride is so much better than Nightmare as a movie
You’d have to be a true contratarin to post that, corpse bride falls so flat. You can see how it could have been great, but it’s not.
hes a fricking hack
yeah i don't get it...the movie is insanely dull.
likely that anon is hyper fixated on the musical number Remains of the Day. it's a good scene but it really is the ONLY good scene in the whole fricking movie.
You two morons share a brain cell and probably met at Hot Topic irl at some point.
homosexuals.
>Mars Attacks
>C
Damn he had a great run for a while
Big Fish is kino.
I think his good period lasts until Big Fish which is his great work and thematically a fitting close up to his filmography. Should have retired there. Planet of the apes was just a dud.
Then his second phase, lower level but still great: Charlie, Corpse Bride and Sweeney Todd.
Then his third phase: Reinvigorated by Alice bucks he does shit after shit.
Burton + Elfman, from 85 onward...literally been partnering as long as i've been alive. the shit they made early on was so distinct and memorable it's impossible for anything really to recapture that. just look at many famous bands in the last 40-50 years, there is like a 7-5 year window where they do their best work, then shit goes south, someone goes solo or there are major lineup changes or things just peter out / can't stay relevant.
in fact it did too with burton and elfman - it's why he didn't do any music on Ed Wood. they very nearly never worked together again.
my point is it's impossible to expect an artist to maintain their peak-output for like their entire life, it's just not realistic. 5 years for most, 10 if they're lucky / good. with burton it's no different, i'd say PeeWee and Sweeny Todd are outliers, his core work is Beetlejuice to Sleepy Hollow...or perhaps Big Fish to some.
Elfmans best work isn’t on the screen
Posted the wrong song https://youtu.be/CysJLhfeaVc
hey for real I agree actually. I'll admit i've only recently become fully aware at how actually good Oingo Boingo was. it's been a lot of fun listening to their core discography / watching forbidden zone ect. Elfman is a way cooler guy than I ever knew.
Let's boogie
How fricking stupid do you have to be to compare this movie to Wilder's other films, none of which are of the same genre?
Serious question, how moronic are you?
Are you fricking kidding me? The Wilder movies are just boomer nostalgia. That movie sucked. To be fair I saw the Wilder one first long after it was made and then the Johnny Depp one. Wilder was extremely flat, until he got mad at Charlie at the end. It sucked.
he was a cynical butthole the whole time
Wilder is so overrated. His acting is very 1 dimensional. He's got his baseline, non-emotional, silly, and then angry. He never has nuance to his characters.
Still way better than Depp
they are both awful, nightmarish movies that are only enjoyed by pedophiles. probably made my pedophiles too
Why did Burton become so soulless, bros? Was it because he's an ogre nerd that dated a super model once?
When I saw Dumbo, it was so soulless It actually hurt my feelings
I hated how they felt like they needed to explain Wonka's backstory. It was like in the 00s everyone became obsessed with trying to explain why characters are the way they are in that specific moment the story takes place. Like the Grinch in the live action movie can't just be an butthole, he's and butthole because people were mean to him as a kid. Wonka is crazy and love candy because his dad was a dentist who hated candy.
I like the 2005 adaptation over the 1971 one but I get where you're coming from. Still you could just skip all the father flashback scenes and everything after the elevator shoots out of the factory with the weird anti-parents rule and you got a 10/10 accurate adaptation since the flashbacks don't particularly intertwine that much with the other scenes, they can be easily ignored and it wouldn't affect the movie. But I've got to admit the part where his dad's entire house physically disappeared was pretty Roald-esque, I'll give them that.
I super disagree. As a huge fan of the original (it was the first movie I remember watching), I think the Burton version brought a unique perspective to the IP. He seemed to lean more into the horror elements which were always present, yet understated in the original.
I will admit that the songs weren't as good in the Burton version, but they had the sense to avoid retooling songs that were impeccible in the original. No pseudo- I've got a golden ticket or pure imagination. He seemed to know what worked well in the original and not to frick with the classic. Overall, it was a good version that tried its best not to reinvent the wheel, showing a great amount of respect for the Wilder version
>unique perspective
To elaborate on this, I think that - if you were deadset on remaking a classic - you could've have chosen a better director. Burton does a good job of blending mundane (even sacrine) elements with the horrific/inane. Think Scissorhands. This movie would've sucked if they gave it to anyone else.
I like how it extremely tried to be its own thing by being just an adaptation of the book instead of a remake of the 1971 movie, and how it did not try to reference the original in anyway, when ever remakes reference the prior version it just comes off as rude/disrespectful so it's good they avoided that.
Also I disagree with what you said about the music, even if Danny Elfman thought it was subpar it was a very vibrant and memorable soundtrack and the Oompa Loompa songs were great adaptations and interpretations of the ones in the book, the only songs I really liked in the Wilder version was Candyman and Pure Imagination, all the other songs really sucked especially the oompa loompa songs with how annoying simplistic they were.
yea the cgi Indian and his songs were great lmao
I'm not going to defend the cgi duplicates, but the songs were way better than "oompa loompa doompaty doo" x4.
all those OG songs has messages in them and were simple enough to remember
The OG songs really lack individuality for the different kids besides the lyrics, and half the time it just comes off like a music video from The Electric Company, which I guess that part could be charming to people but I didn't like it that much. But making the entire movie a musical instead of just the oompa loompa songs annoyed the hell out of me, aside from what I said earlier about Candyman and Pure Imagination the other characters singing was really cringe, especially Charlie's mom.
grandpa joe was kino and a look forward to current society
There was no need for the Willy Wonka backstory.
You could just skip all those flashbacks and the ending after the elevator flies out of the factory and the movie would be a straight adaptation of the book, those scenes don't interfere with any other scene. The Slugworth fakeout in the original is worse because it plays an integral part of the story. Plus I just think Charlie being a moron and giving into temptation in the original was lame but that's just me.
Maybe it's just because I'm a borderline boomer, but I really liked the original songs, but it's not like the new songs are bad. Just very 2000s in their style. And yeah, references to the original would've come across very cringe. Like I said, he seemed to have brought a unique perspective to the story, which I appreciate.
Too bad the original already stole the the Grandpa Joe as a Villain angle, the 2000s version would've benefitted from that a lot. Instead we get a very bare-bones version of the character
Blueberry scene is one of the most fappable scenes in all of cinema.
why is it lit like a horror film when theyre inside the factory
because its kino
It'd be a shit film if the OG never existed.
But because we all know of the Wilder film, its a travesty.
agreed 100%
>The remake is the reason why I have a blueberry fetish 🙂
drop dead
>No
i thought they were both fine movies
the new one had better aesthetics but worse music and worse wonka, depp felt like jackson and neverland ranch
Honestly people get too autistic about the differences. "Omg they changed fatherly mind Gene wilder to creepy pale guy!" What’s wrong with a different interpretation? If Depp rehashed the fatherly Gene persona it would’ve been predictable and boring.
gene wasn't very fatherly he was a sadistic prick
Depp aside, I think there are people who dislike the 2005 movie because Tim Burton's genius just doesn't come across well in CGI. He was always better with practical effects
I don’t understand the division on this movie. It’s based of the book called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
The Gene Wilder version is a lose musical take on the classic children novel.
I don’t know why people can’t separate the two films. The have completely different titles.
Tbf the original is one of the greatest movies ever in terms of production value and creativity when you compare the time it was made in.
so what's Burtons excuse for killing it with the budget he had and the era he was in?
He's Tim Burton. He was always going to fail. He needs to just stick to his own things.
like what
being tim burton + falling for the gritty reboot meme
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I respectfully disagree.
nice movie. i saw it three times in theaters.