I think Woody was great, as pretty much everybody in the film actually. Who do you think should have been cast instead? Oliver Stone wanted Michael Madsen originally but WB vetoed him and wanted a bigger box-office draw than Mr. Blonde.
So much this.
He was terrible and unbelievable for the role. Billy Bob Thornton would have been much better.
Also Juliet Lewis was awful too. She was never a good actress. I'm unsure who would be better cast
NBK was two years before Sling Blade though. Might as well any unknowns. have nothing aginst BBT but I've never seen him act very physically to be threatening as a killer (wasn't he fat at this time?). Anyways, it was never gonna happen.
NBK was two years before Sling Blade though. Might as well any unknowns. have nothing aginst BBT but I've never seen him act very physically to be threatening as a killer (wasn't he fat at this time?). Anyways, it was never gonna happen.
Not sure I would have bought Bruce Willis as a killer hillbilly from the midwest but anyways I don't think he was ever going to touch NBK with a 10-foot pole in 1993, he was one of the top stars in the world at the time and NBK's script was considered toxic by all the big actor agencies.
Give me a quick rundown on why Tarantino is seething about NBK for all eternity?
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i think he wrote it but lost the rights to it or sold it some hollywood bullshit and stone bought it but tarantula said stone was going to fuck it up and tried to make it impossible to film. it definitely was miscast
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No, QT sold the script fair and square to Jane Hamsher and Don Murphy for 10,000$ shortly before Reservoir Dogs was going to be made.
Jane Hamsher wrote a memoir about producing NBK ("Killer Intinct") and whether you like the final movie or not, it's really a great read though it's hard to find nowadays. All the behind-the-scenes stuff from the making of the film would make a great movie of its own. It's certainly very unflattering towards QT.
And again BTW, JH and DM offered QT to push and try to get a studio to finance the film with QT directing before Oliver Stone got interested in the script, but QT refused and said the script was like an ex-girlfriend at that point.
it didn't stop him from working with Juliette Lewis the very next year though on From Dusk Til Dawn (a Robert Rodriguez film but I'm fairly sure QT had some input on the casting).
To me one of the biggest evidence that QT is an asshole is his blackmail of his own actors for his own vanity and agenda. Imagine you're Tim Roth or Steve Buscemi in 1993 and offered a top billing role in a Oliver Stone movie and QT calls you and says "don't you dare take the job, or I'll fucking never work with you again, okaaaay?"
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>Juliette Lewis
She has weird feet.
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She also has that weird screwed up face like she's just sucked on a lemon. Same as Rene zellweger
Maybe it slows down for a bit once they get in jail but It really picks up after the interview is interrupted. As far as I'm concerned the movie peaks with the whole prison escape sequence.
It dampens all the momentum that was building up during their rampage and while the prison break was kino it just feels like the flow was ruined. I can kinda understand why QT is still butthurt about it to this day
The rampage (if you mean the three weeks where they kill 50 people is hardly in the QT draft though. Just the opening diner scene, and then it basically jumps to Scagnetti visiting Maclusky and M&M in jail, and Wayne preparing for his interview, with little flashbacks through American Maniacs segments. Everything from I love Mallory to the Drug Zone arrest is original to the Oliver Stone rewrites. You can speculate about what movie QT would have made as a director, but the script was written with the intention of being shot for 50,000$ in black in white (this was before Reservoir Dogs when QT was still a nobody) and QT turned down Jane Hamsher and Don Murphy to direct NBK in favour of Pulp Fiction (not a bad call from him, but he did have an opportunity and turned it down).
As far as I can tell, QT only disliked NBK because of narcissism and artistic insecurity.
Yea I've never looked at any the drafts so I'm not sure who wrote what exactly, also wasn't he butthurt about the fact that Mallory cheats on Mickey? Not that it seems out of character or anything
I never heard QT discussing Mickey cheating on Mallory, for the longest time he said he never watched anything past the opening diner scene and only ever so slightly warmed up to the movie when Johnny Cash told him NBK was one of his favorite movies along with his wife in an elevator once. But maybe I missed a QT interview or podcast or something.
Again, I think his main beef was that he was under the impression that Oliver Stone or whoever ended up taking the gig in his place was going to direct his script word-for-word without changing a single dot and was pissed when Oliver Stone pushed the script in a new direction and made the material his own.
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Yea I might've heard that from someone on this site, I don't watch director podcasts or anything, maybe I should tho
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if it's good enough for Johnny Cash it's good enough for you Cinemaphile brats
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Behind all the flashy style gimmicks like hyperediting and ultraviolence, NBK is at its core a solid piece of Americana (though through a twisted demented prism).
Not sure if that is what Johnny Cash saw in the film but that would be my guess.
Honestly I don't think so, I never picked up anythingin TT if there was an NBK reference in there, apart from the real actor being australian like Wayne Gale.
But sometimes I wonder if Woody Harrelson's character in Zombieland was intentionally evoking Mickey Knox, probably not or maybe only partly.
90s kid here
Excuse the spacing.
Allow me to elaborate on the events of the time period that this came out. For all of my Frens here and the Anons that did not grow up during the 90s.
It was utter edge-lord shit back then and is utter shit now.
We didn't have edge-lord Memes and the 4chins back then so this movie and
A Clock Work Orange were pretty much the only way to impress your friends with being cool and shocking.
Most of my retard friends who were pot smoking drug addict Acid Head retards that let the movie brain wash them.
(I am from Florida)
Things I would hear from them.
Favorite quotes by 90s teenage edge-lords after watching NBK. >Do you believe in Fate. >I only believe in fate, I don't believe in God. >It's fate, you know. Nobody can stop fate, nobody can.
Most typical Delusions by 90s Edge-Lords after Watching NBK on Laser Disk. >We are all going to drive out west and get some Peytoe in the desert like on NBK. >We are taking a trip out west to drive on Route 666
Complex Mental Workings of a 90s Edge-Lord after watching NBK on Laser Disk >The Way that He negotiated in the court room deleted scene was genius, just goes to show you how smart these killers were. >Its based off of a true story.
Delusional Sayings of 90s Edge-Lords after Watching NBK - on VHS and what they would say. >Me and my GF are thinking about going out and just reenacting the NBKs, movie we have a video camera. >There is this boy at school, he told me that if we are together that we could be the NBKs, >I've been listening to all these bands and know each one from NBKs, I love L7 >I just bought Natural Born Killers director cut on LASER DISK ! we are going to drop some White Blotter I have a gallon of Sunny D.
This movie is utter shit and will always be utter shit.
I am sure you have the same delusions in the green text here somewhere.
I mentioned they were retards, this is what happens when you expose retards to a catalyst like this.
Just like the 90s retards who watched the movie Friday and would start mimicking the negro personalities and quoting the movie acting like they were the characters.
Yes there's a type of low IQ individual that watches movies like NBK or Fight Club and try to emulate the characters because they're too low IQ to get the intent of the plot.
There's a whole generation of midwits that think Glengarry Glen Ross and Boiler Room are guides on how to be salesmen.
Yes there's a type of low IQ individual that watches movies like NBK or Fight Club and try to emulate the characters because they're too low IQ to get the intent of the plot.
There's a whole generation of midwits that think Glengarry Glen Ross and Boiler Room are guides on how to be salesmen.
The satire in NBK is flawed and shoots itself in the foot in some regards but it's not like it didn't try to address these fanboy phenomenons.
I thought you would never ask.
Many fell in love with the song
"Son of a Preacher Man"
Also: I can't remember if these movies were available for Video Playback on the Panasonic 3DO or not.
I think I'm gonna groom my own Mallory oh hearty Polish midwest stock and make her the witchy woman front vocalist of my Heavy Psych Occult Rock band and gig around the west coast
utter crap
Woody was miscast, again
I think Woody was great, as pretty much everybody in the film actually. Who do you think should have been cast instead? Oliver Stone wanted Michael Madsen originally but WB vetoed him and wanted a bigger box-office draw than Mr. Blonde.
So much this.
He was terrible and unbelievable for the role. Billy Bob Thornton would have been much better.
Also Juliet Lewis was awful too. She was never a good actress. I'm unsure who would be better cast
NBK was two years before Sling Blade though. Might as well any unknowns. have nothing aginst BBT but I've never seen him act very physically to be threatening as a killer (wasn't he fat at this time?). Anyways, it was never gonna happen.
He played a violent redneck killer in One False Movie a year or two before NBK, but yeah, he was basically an unknown I think.
ok, i never saw that one.
I don't think many people have
Oh ok. I'm not sure of the timeline. Don't know when Billy Bob became a know actor
I think it was through Sling Blade, that's when I became aware of him at least
Sling Blade 1996.
bruce willis
Not sure I would have bought Bruce Willis as a killer hillbilly from the midwest but anyways I don't think he was ever going to touch NBK with a 10-foot pole in 1993, he was one of the top stars in the world at the time and NBK's script was considered toxic by all the big actor agencies.
yeah tarantula said any actor that took a role on NBK would never work for him, which would have wrecked pulp fiction
Give me a quick rundown on why Tarantino is seething about NBK for all eternity?
i think he wrote it but lost the rights to it or sold it some hollywood bullshit and stone bought it but tarantula said stone was going to fuck it up and tried to make it impossible to film. it definitely was miscast
No, QT sold the script fair and square to Jane Hamsher and Don Murphy for 10,000$ shortly before Reservoir Dogs was going to be made.
Jane Hamsher wrote a memoir about producing NBK ("Killer Intinct") and whether you like the final movie or not, it's really a great read though it's hard to find nowadays. All the behind-the-scenes stuff from the making of the film would make a great movie of its own. It's certainly very unflattering towards QT.
And again BTW, JH and DM offered QT to push and try to get a studio to finance the film with QT directing before Oliver Stone got interested in the script, but QT refused and said the script was like an ex-girlfriend at that point.
it didn't stop him from working with Juliette Lewis the very next year though on From Dusk Til Dawn (a Robert Rodriguez film but I'm fairly sure QT had some input on the casting).
To me one of the biggest evidence that QT is an asshole is his blackmail of his own actors for his own vanity and agenda. Imagine you're Tim Roth or Steve Buscemi in 1993 and offered a top billing role in a Oliver Stone movie and QT calls you and says "don't you dare take the job, or I'll fucking never work with you again, okaaaay?"
>Juliette Lewis
She has weird feet.
She also has that weird screwed up face like she's just sucked on a lemon. Same as Rene zellweger
Little slow in the second half but all in all a solid 8.5, love the cinematography and the scene where he kills the Navajo guy is fucking intense
Maybe it slows down for a bit once they get in jail but It really picks up after the interview is interrupted. As far as I'm concerned the movie peaks with the whole prison escape sequence.
It dampens all the momentum that was building up during their rampage and while the prison break was kino it just feels like the flow was ruined. I can kinda understand why QT is still butthurt about it to this day
The rampage (if you mean the three weeks where they kill 50 people is hardly in the QT draft though. Just the opening diner scene, and then it basically jumps to Scagnetti visiting Maclusky and M&M in jail, and Wayne preparing for his interview, with little flashbacks through American Maniacs segments. Everything from I love Mallory to the Drug Zone arrest is original to the Oliver Stone rewrites. You can speculate about what movie QT would have made as a director, but the script was written with the intention of being shot for 50,000$ in black in white (this was before Reservoir Dogs when QT was still a nobody) and QT turned down Jane Hamsher and Don Murphy to direct NBK in favour of Pulp Fiction (not a bad call from him, but he did have an opportunity and turned it down).
As far as I can tell, QT only disliked NBK because of narcissism and artistic insecurity.
Yea I've never looked at any the drafts so I'm not sure who wrote what exactly, also wasn't he butthurt about the fact that Mallory cheats on Mickey? Not that it seems out of character or anything
I never heard QT discussing Mickey cheating on Mallory, for the longest time he said he never watched anything past the opening diner scene and only ever so slightly warmed up to the movie when Johnny Cash told him NBK was one of his favorite movies along with his wife in an elevator once. But maybe I missed a QT interview or podcast or something.
Again, I think his main beef was that he was under the impression that Oliver Stone or whoever ended up taking the gig in his place was going to direct his script word-for-word without changing a single dot and was pissed when Oliver Stone pushed the script in a new direction and made the material his own.
Yea I might've heard that from someone on this site, I don't watch director podcasts or anything, maybe I should tho
if it's good enough for Johnny Cash it's good enough for you Cinemaphile brats
Behind all the flashy style gimmicks like hyperediting and ultraviolence, NBK is at its core a solid piece of Americana (though through a twisted demented prism).
Not sure if that is what Johnny Cash saw in the film but that would be my guess.
> he kills the Navajo guy is fucking intense
yeah the fever dream/shaky camera work made me nauseous
Pussy
i had the flu you dick
Dude you made like 20 NBK threads in the past week
Yeah, but now the dust had REALLY settled
Edgy for the sake of edgy, but with good soundtrack and cinematography. The Rodney Dangerfield segment is unbelievable.
Is RDJ's character in this really referenced in Tropic Thunder?
Genuine question.
Honestly I don't think so, I never picked up anythingin TT if there was an NBK reference in there, apart from the real actor being australian like Wayne Gale.
But sometimes I wonder if Woody Harrelson's character in Zombieland was intentionally evoking Mickey Knox, probably not or maybe only partly.
it was ok
kino soundtrack
>Take the only tree that's left and stuff it up the hole in your culture
What did he mean by this?
90s kid here
Excuse the spacing.
Allow me to elaborate on the events of the time period that this came out. For all of my Frens here and the Anons that did not grow up during the 90s.
It was utter edge-lord shit back then and is utter shit now.
We didn't have edge-lord Memes and the 4chins back then so this movie and
A Clock Work Orange were pretty much the only way to impress your friends with being cool and shocking.
Most of my retard friends who were pot smoking drug addict Acid Head retards that let the movie brain wash them.
(I am from Florida)
Things I would hear from them.
Favorite quotes by 90s teenage edge-lords after watching NBK.
>Do you believe in Fate.
>I only believe in fate, I don't believe in God.
>It's fate, you know. Nobody can stop fate, nobody can.
Most typical Delusions by 90s Edge-Lords after Watching NBK on Laser Disk.
>We are all going to drive out west and get some Peytoe in the desert like on NBK.
>We are taking a trip out west to drive on Route 666
Complex Mental Workings of a 90s Edge-Lord after watching NBK on Laser Disk
>The Way that He negotiated in the court room deleted scene was genius, just goes to show you how smart these killers were.
>Its based off of a true story.
Delusional Sayings of 90s Edge-Lords after Watching NBK - on VHS and what they would say.
>Me and my GF are thinking about going out and just reenacting the NBKs, movie we have a video camera.
>There is this boy at school, he told me that if we are together that we could be the NBKs,
>I've been listening to all these bands and know each one from NBKs, I love L7
>I just bought Natural Born Killers director cut on LASER DISK ! we are going to drop some White Blotter I have a gallon of Sunny D.
This movie is utter shit and will always be utter shit.
I am sure you have the same delusions in the green text here somewhere.
Maybe the problem was not really NBK but that you had retarded friends.
I mentioned they were retards, this is what happens when you expose retards to a catalyst like this.
Just like the 90s retards who watched the movie Friday and would start mimicking the negro personalities and quoting the movie acting like they were the characters.
Yes there's a type of low IQ individual that watches movies like NBK or Fight Club and try to emulate the characters because they're too low IQ to get the intent of the plot.
There's a whole generation of midwits that think Glengarry Glen Ross and Boiler Room are guides on how to be salesmen.
The satire in NBK is flawed and shoots itself in the foot in some regards but it's not like it didn't try to address these fanboy phenomenons.
What did they say after watching Pulp Fiction on Laserdisk?
I thought you would never ask.
Many fell in love with the song
"Son of a Preacher Man"
Also: I can't remember if these movies were available for Video Playback on the Panasonic 3DO or not.
The plot twist here is that you are the retard.
it was nice up until the wedding. i want to get married like that.
Ill kill your dad and everything.
I thought it was neat and unintentionally more funny than what I think the film was going for. Also felt like a proto devil's rejects.
Ugliest movie ever made
It was supposed to be.
I get that it's about ugly subject matters but the movie has a lot of legit beautiful shots. The quick editing downplays a lot of very nice setups.
Best Tarantino movie. Way ahead of its time in portraying media insanity.
This. Also one of the best paced films of all time.
If you were in high school when it came out there was no kino that could compare. It changed you. Now it's sort of tough to even watch.
I think I'm gonna groom my own Mallory oh hearty Polish midwest stock and make her the witchy woman front vocalist of my Heavy Psych Occult Rock band and gig around the west coast
got a better way to spend your 30s?