O.K what the fuck? This feels shlocky on rewatch

I genuinely thought this was one of, if not the best war film but on rewatch everything except the opening sequence feels over done. I thought the detractors were being contrarians back in the day but I now actually kind of get where they were coming. This is bizarre because very rarely has my opinion on a film shifted like this. I wonder if this is because I'm more cynical these days.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I had a realization when I was watching this as an impressionable 13 year old that this was dishonest film. My appreciation for Spielberg has diminished considerably over the years. He's skilled at making thrillers. Anytime he steps outside of his lane, the results range from mixed to terrible. He cannot into drama.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I had a realization when I was watching this as an impressionable 13 year old that this was dishonest film.
      And I don't think Spielberg even realises it. His issue is that he tackled this film with the mindset "O.K this is a weighty topic, I need to make a deep film with messages and shieet, I need to get this right to be taken seriously as a serious filmmaker". Actual good artists go "O.K I have something to say about this war/event and want to explore certain themes and ideas that interest me".

      That's what separates honest war cinema(Thin red line, Letters from Iwo Jima, Das boot, Paths of glory, Dunkirk) and dishonest gimmick shit like 1917, SPR, All quiet on the western front (2022).

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        let me guess, come and see is dishonest

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Come And See is clearly an honest exploration of the (genuine) trauma the filmmaker felt

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          How can it be dishonest when he lived?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Essentially this. Spielberg is a quintessential popcorn director which isn't bad. It comes off as kind of embarrassing when he tries to tackle something "serious" and is akin to a college freshman paper inserting big boi words from a thesaurus. The result is hamfisted pretentious entertainment.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          SPR is pure Hollywood anti-German propaganda. It's also the most entertaining movie Spielberg ever made. Sometimes it do be like that. I first saw it in the theater while tripping balls and chugging vodka. It was intense.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. Jurassic Park is his best entertainment vehicle and it has none of the sentimental cheese and propaganda overtones that poison SPR.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, I'm not into giant killer CGI animal movies. I like a good bang-bang flick. I know it's schlock, but it's highly amusing schlock.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't like it
                not an argument
                Every scene of JP is iconic, every sound. SPR is a fine movie but ultimately schlock.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I saw Jurassic Park. For what it is, it's a fine movie. Thrills 'n chills and such. Just not my thing. I'd rather watch dudes get blown away.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The "fuck dinosaurs just be a family man" message of Jurassic Park is pretty cheesy.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            Glad I didn't live in a time where I could be drafted into a slave army to die for the ZOG

            >Spielberg fictions
            What did you expect from a hasbara garden gnome if not shallow propaganda?

            agreed this transphobic propaganda is not cool

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I still laugh at that scene where that "coward" (Upham?) fails to save his garden gnome friend from being knifed. I can imagine Spielberg going "See, See, guys? War is hell, some people aren't up for it and their cowardice costs lives, get it? Get it?"

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That's basically it. Every single movie he's made that wasn't predicated on a B-movie-style premise feels really soulless and perfunctory, as if he realized the importance of the topic but couldn't quite bring himself to give it any personal bent. I honestly wonder if he enjoys directing that kind of material or if his heart is still in his Duel/Jaws/etc. days.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > really soulless and perfunctory
          Which is why his work in the past 2 decades.
          His last somewhat soulful work was what? Catch me if you can? I have never seen a "famous" Hollywood filmmaker continue to put critically acclaimed flicks that often goes for oscars as well but at the same garner little to discussion regarding his films. Spielberg films used to be talk of the year back in the day but now they're forgotten the month they're released.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >past 2 decades
            are barely talked about*

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Spieldberg cannot into drama
      >made AI
      you don't deserve him

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Hack shit

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The robot bear was the only real character.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >My appreciation for Spielberg has diminished considerably over the years
      Spielberg is a hack, his movies are OK at best, and typically subpar

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Basically. Omaha beach was piss easy

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    All movies used to have a bit of camp in them. Movie shit that is just there to be a bit cinematic because you know it's not real. Now everything needs to abide by one vibe throughout.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically a video game. But it pioneered copying the gritty anti war style of Vietnam movies for a pro war movie.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up you dopamine fried retard. No one is talking about Call of Duty. The complains are shit like the damn typewriter unit storming the beach and other nonsense that is used to either lighten the drama, or add it unnecessarily like Upham and his pencil arc.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm cynical
    >Posts a pic of a guy sticking a mirror on his bayonet with chewing gum

    What is it? you need some convincing Upham?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What’s Upham?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The coward who has enough and takes a stand at the end. Common Hollywood trope.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          haha nothing much how about you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What’s Upham?

            You feel like a frogposter.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    tom hanks always seems to have an american cape in movies

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Glad I didn't live in a time where I could be drafted into a slave army to die for the ZOG

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >moral of the story: might makes right, the circumcised nerd translator is a hero for doing a war crime
    Spielberg is every bit as vulgar as a Michael Bay, just with extra steps. Imagine this worm denying elder Orsen Welles funds for what would've been his last movie.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Spielberg is every bit as vulgar as a Michael Bay,
      He's a better craftsman than bay in that his blocking and camerawork are top tier. Of course, it's unfortunate all those talents rests within a brainlet.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Spielberg fictions
    What did you expect from a hasbara garden gnome if not shallow propaganda?

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    what do you mean by overdone, like overacted? i think it actually gets better later on, the scene where they take the machine gun nest is the best part. Omaha Beach is so played out at this point.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >i think it actually gets better later on, the scene where they take the machine gun nest is the best part.
      When people say they like the opening sequence in SPR they're talking about everything up to the machine gun nest.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i'm referring to the part where the medic dies, not the bunker burning part.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you've watched too much real war footage of the War on Terror/Syria/ISIS over the years and realized that all the "heroic" stuff is kinda campy.
    I mean there's a reason Generation Kill is so beloved. Military members are portrayed accurately where they goof around with no pretensions of glory, but are still competent at their jobs and take things seriously.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed 100%. I believe it is because action and war movies have become so much more realistic the last decade. Movies like 1917, Dunkirk and All quiet on the western front seemed to capture a previously unseen realism of war. I don't know how you can watch those movies and not grow a profound hate for war. Completely unrealistic war-hero movies aren't cool anymore.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Completely unrealistic war-hero movies aren't cool anymore.
      I actually liked American Sniper tbh. That gets unfairly labeled as conservative propaganda for some reason. Eastwood is a more thoughtful filmmaker than people give him credit for.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not the other anon, but isn't American Sniper thoughtful precisely because it isn't just hero worship? I agree that it's certainly a more interesting and sophisticated piece of art than the source material at any rate.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >but isn't American Sniper thoughtful precisely because it isn't just hero worship?
          Yes but journos and plebbitors decided to circlejerk it as a hero worship conservative propaganda(because apparently it's inaccurate to real life where Kyle is apparently even more mundane as an individual). So that stigma has stuck.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I wonder if this is because I'm more cynical these days.
    Just a contrarian like the autists in the thread who keep chanting "muh soul" and "muh Upham" without any context or meaning.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Grow up soimoron.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's just one big cliche with heaps of ridiculousness thrown in.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This movie is the reason those cliches even exist though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not all. They existed before SPR.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It’s SS love song to America. The opening scene has been applauded enough already. However without Tom’s performance (both Toms) I don’t think this movie is anything but forgettable

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      > It’s SS love song to America.
      Pretty much. It's pro-war movie that's masquerading as an anti-war movie. It's basically praising America's role in ww2 and promotes the idea of the good war.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a very good movie

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