>oh yeah, that happened
Why was this so mid and forgettable? It's like it never came out at all. No one cares about it.
>oh yeah, that happened
>oh yeah, that happened
Why was this so mid and forgettable? It's like it never came out at all. No one cares about it.
Literally the best batman piece if media, and it's still forgettable.
the Batman is not only a shit Batman movie but a shit movie in general.
>bad dialogue
>Bruce is an emo twink
>the gimp mask
>marketed as ultra realistic but fails
>the flying squirrel suit scene
>wants to be Nolan 2.0 but failed
>blacked Gordon for some reason
>Catwoman is a black transvestite crackhead
>Riddler is a reddit shitposter
>Terrible third act
>Batmobile is a regular muscle car but BLACK
It's also very flawed technically, The grating overuse of the Ave Maria and Something in the Way themes are almost parodic. Likewise the absolute lack of chemistry between Pattinson and the Catwoman actress. Also the ludicrous "knockout scene" were all criminals are white and the only good guy in the gang is black. Etc
They only used SITW twice, it was a good bookend. Ave Maria was actually a plot point so that should show up three times or so to establish importance.
The chords/themes from both songs appear throughout the movie and amateurishly so
Oh okay yeah I hated the orchestrated music, especially the funeral march thing.
For me it's how distractingly ugly Zoe Kravitz was. Catwoman is supposed to be this sensual cat burglar. Instead we get this stick figure transvestite crackhead looking b***h.
>absolute lack of chemistry between Pattinson and the Catwoman
And this too.
She literally wears a make-up mask throughout the movie bc beneath that she is indeed ugly with haggard looks and b***h resting face.
Good summary. Just a ridiculous effort to make a film. A mix of really bad current filmmaking tendencies and uniquely bad ideas.
>bad dialogue
How?
>Bruce is an emo twink
As opposed to a jaded edgelord homosexual?
>the gimp mask
not a valid critique
>marketed as ultra realistic but fails
wasn't marketed as ultra realistic, was marketed as a more grounded batman in a year one-ish era
>the flying squirrel suit scene
see above
>wants to be Nolan 2.0 but failed
lol
>blacked Gordon for some reason
i hate Black folk is not a valid critique
>Catwoman is a black transvestite crackhead
i hate Black folk is not a valid critique
>Riddler is a reddit shitposter
As opposed to the chad comic version of riddler
>Terrible third act
it's mediocre
>Batmobile is a regular muscle car but BLA
not cool enough is not a valid critique
Your inane attempts to refute him only prove his point because none of your claims make the movie seem less embarrassing. Asking for examples of bad dialogue when they're abundant in every The Batman scene proves that you're out of touch
>As opposed to the chad comic version of riddler
Yes?
Reminder that in the comics the Riddler fricked Catwoman, was assisted by two hot lipstick lesbians (that he also fricked), that he reformed and became a freelance detective, and that he knew who Batman was.
There's a scene where he's trying to defuse a bomb and stays there until it blows up in his face acting all surprised it happened while it was counting down in his face.
I was screaming at the tv at how dumb it was.
The bomb was attached to a person though and he wanted to do everything he could to save him.
By doing nothing but watch?
Did you even watch the movie? They're supposed to figure out riddles to disarm it, he's staying with him trying to get him to say the right name.
>Catwoman is a black transvestite crackhead
Did you actually watch the fricking movie?
Did you? You need to get your man card revoked if you found Zoe Kravitz hot.
Gross. Looks like dogshit but then gets someone to doodle all over her. Lmao
>I'm revoking your man card!
Why are boomers so gay and moronic?
>he says while broccoli heads are the generation with the biggest % of LGBT members.
All good points. I actually enjoyed the film for its atmosphere but it was really frustrating to see how brain dead the detective part of the plot was. Why can't we get a batman film with a smart detective story?
Nitpicky shit. Movie looked cool and just that alone elevates it over almost every other capeshit in the last 10 years. Great lighting. I'm sick of looking at movies that look like commercials for car insurance.
>Movie looked cool
Yeah, if you're a moronic broccoli head.
More movies, less tiktoks lil zoomie
The batmobile has an actual Russian rocket engine in it that the v 8 mixes the fuel
I think it's a 191. The designers talked about it. It's a functional set up.
For new friends. Liquid fuel engines need to mix fuel to feed rocket engines at insane rates. You use belts to feed the fuel on the engine
More or less the batmobile is a giant rocket engine on steel bodies car.
That's pretty amazing
>Literally the best batman piece if media
btas
beyond
arkham asylum
arkham city
arkham knight
the batman(2006)
court of owls
the frank miller the batman returns
ect have a nice day Hispanic.
The Dark Knight will never be surpassed, not only as a Batman movie, but also as superhero movie
The dark knight is more of a joker movie than a batman movie
So was Begins before The Dark Knight. But Part II is such a cluster frick I just don’t see any way it ever gets made.
Begins is literally the best Batman love action ever made.
t. zoomer
have a nice day
Let’s not forget black catwoman and Gordon.
>Begins is literally the best Batman love action ever made.
Why didn't they go the romance route with Pattinson, they must be having him dethaw throughout his character arc, kind of inverting TDK.
I prefer asian catwoman myself
WOKE! YOU'RE FRICKING WOKE YOU WOKE WOKITY WOKETARD REEEEE!!!!
Jeffrey Wright as Gordon was perfect tho one of the few times race transcended casting
He doesn't play Commissioner Gordon though, he plays a random screaming black cop that goes "shiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet" at every twist of the plot
Jesse, what the frick are you talking about?
She's one of the better catwomen though and far from the first black castings for the role. I think as far as live action we had more black catwomen than anything else even
>Let’s not forget black catwoman and Gordon.
Who gives a shit, really? You're all man-children
Woke. They tried to push a BS "don't be violent, but a random volunteer instead and a beta slobbering type pining for a below-average woman" agenda
This is the director. He's a wannabe Nolan imitator soiboy with nothing original to say.
I bet you could break him in half like a twig
Koba is one of the best villains in cinema of this century
Forgot pic
There's still constant threads about it on here so it's not exactly forgotten.
But it's not remembered for being good
Better than any Nolan goyslop, or burton/shoemaker trash
not better than Snyder though
Zoomer moment.
kino
>Batman: Riddler you're a dangerous incel who needs to be locked up for life
>Riddler: Technically you're a furry though
>Batman: [Le angry face]
It's garbage and worst than all other Batman movies, including Batman and Robin. Direction and screenplay are both atrocious and comparing it to any Nolan Batman movie should make the director retire forever
Tik tok addict opinion
Not even tiktokers like The Batman, it's a truly atrocious movie
He's completely right. The writing is the laziest garbage ever in a superhero movie. The monologues were especially cringy.
>Even with the rain
>Hidden in the chaos is the element (???), waiting to strike like snakes
>Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal
At one point Catwoman calls her loose missing female escort friend "just a kid" kek
I understood that as "she's just a dumb girl" rather than an underage girl.
I think in Year One, Batman's roomie was a much younger girl so maybe they thought of casting a teenager then pussied out
Contextually it makes both that one interaction and the movie in general utterly out of touch and ridiculous
>the element (???)
Do you not get it or something? The criminal element.
In hindsight, the Nolan sequels have some major pacing issues and tend to drag at times. Longer runtimes certainly don’t automatically equal better movies.
>comparing it to any Nolan Batman movie should make the director retire forever
Ironic since the directors/producer of this piece of shit flick wanted to desperately be better than Nolan. But failed horribly.
He is easily better than Nolan.
Fricking goyslop
>He is easily better than Nolan.
Said no one ever
Reevesissies, how can we cope?
Perhaps he meant beating Nolan off
I liked it
I care. Hated fake Gordon however.
>It's like it never came out at all. No one cares about it.
Because the ending was awful. Turning the Riddler into a discount Zodiac Killer with a cult was exceptionally boring.
Batman is best when he stays in the shadows, on the periphery of society. Throwing him front and center ruined an otherwise excellent film, but then again writers have always struggled with The Riddler.
Who is watching capeshit anymore?
it really falls apart in the middle
So the music industry does this thing where they have radio stations play bad songs over and over to brainwash people into thinking its a popular hit.
The movie industry does this with bots on social media. The Batman's fanbase is 90% bots and rotten tomatoe scores.
It was a CW television series
!!!!! INCREDIBLY UNDERRATED !!!!!
This movie was a 8-10 episode CW arc combined into one overlong, moronic plots.
It's the ending. The ending kills any hype. It's the biggest anti-climax I've ever seen in a superhero movie, possibly the least climatic ending in anything action-y.
Can you imagine Conan saying "frick it, I should abandon my adventuring and turn into a charity worker"? Batman does pretty much that in that movie.
>Can you imagine Conan saying "frick it, I should abandon my adventuring and turn into a charity worker"? Batman does pretty much that in that movie.
But the entire movie is pretty much a giant shit parade on Batman doing stuffs that is known, ie beating up criminals.
Remember the cringy ass monologue that turns out the cool scenes being shown pointless because they mention that the crime rates has gone up instead of down and Batman himself is completely baffled by it? Basically saying that Batman is not only ineffectual (despite the petty criminals being shown as being afraid of him) but also stupid.
That's all to drive in the point that Batman's soft vigilante ways are wrong. He can't be vengeance anymore or else he might inspire a school shooter or something!
This should have been called The Anti-Batman because that was the movie is, completely against the concept of Batman
why is this the only capeshit movie I see spammed with threads like this? because of the white people line?
I think it started strong but it really degraded at some point and became a normal boring action-comic movies.
It turns mid with the url(el rata ellada) car chase and gets awful with the flood climax. The first half was legit great
Zoe was hot
who is lying?
I thought she was pretty cute
Indeed
They tried so hard to pass this little goblina midget as some incredibly hot bombshell, and it seems to have worked on some zoomers.
It was too similar to The Dark Knight.
>famous batman villain but gritty and muted colors with a serious costume
>he kills people violently and broadcasts terrorism using technology
>he gets captured but that was part of his plan all along
>he had an assumption about morality that batman directly tells him he was wrong about and why
Except the riddler and penguin were done well in this, unlike Ledgers garbage performance.
The scene where he kills someone on tv was too similar to TDK but other than that it's not that close.
The scene where he kills someone live.
The scene where Batman dives from the rooftop with a new "cape"
The batmobile pursuit through a busy street
The fight in the dark with only the gunfire lighting the scene
and several other scenes.
>The scene where Batman dives from the rooftop with a new "cape"
>The batmobile pursuit through a busy street
>The fight in the dark with only the gunfire lighting the scene
these are in every batman media ever made
Where was this scene in BvS or Batman Returns?
But i can for sure say there is a poor imitation of that scene in Le Buttman.
>he just walks into the bullets like he's diet Ironman
Absolutely baffling.
Batman’s introduction in BvS was similar.
This one?
If it is this one, this is more aping horror movies than anything. Nothing similar at all.
Nope, it's the same.
How the frick is that similar?
The scene wasn't filmed in the dark nor is it playing with flashing lights using gunfire.
>the scene wasn’t filmed in the dark
Anon…
It wasn't.
In BvS the cops are in a lit room and the surprise is the fact that Batman is hiding somewhere in the roof like a monster in a horror movie, he even moves like one when scaping.
In TDKR and The Batman the thugs are in a dark corridor and Batman uses the darkness to act them. We, the audience, can only see Batman because the flashes of gunfire briefly expose his body/actions.
Yeah… this looks pretty similar to me, anon.
batman is literally me hiding in the corners of rooms just because I'm a frickin weirdo then sperg out when I get caught
That does not mean they are always executed as well.
Pretty much all the Batman films were cannibalizing the previous ones, except Burton who was trailblazing and didn't even read comics because he didn't know how.
Show me scenes in BvS that try to copy the Nolan's ones. Or even the Burton's ones.
Even Schumacher did his own style.
Schumacher just feels like a Dick Tracy filter over the Burton movies. Snyder took the blue eyes on the Bat suit, the Batmobile is more tankish like Nolan's, made the city realistic like Nolan preferred, and the general vibe is grim dark and feels like TDK runoff.
Batman (1989) is based on Pop Goes The Joker, Batman Returns is based on Hizzonner the Penguin, these are episodes from the 60s tv show
Yeah, the producers even publicly admitted to wanting to be better than Nolan. Didn't expect them to rip him off so blatantly.
>Batman spends 2 years fighting crime and it only gets worse
>Riddler takes care of most of Gotham's organized crime and corruption in 2 weeks
And I'm supposed to believe Riddler is the bad guy? Why? Because he's a little weird? The guy is a fricking hero.
Because he is another angry white man. That's it.
They had to have him flood the city so people would think he's wrong, if the movie ended with him locked up it would a lingering question if Batman was even doing the right thing, would have been more impactful imo but that's really not how making these movies works
If I could I would flood new york IRL and that would make me a hero.
>Aaaaaaaaavaaaaaaaaa maaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrriiiiiiaaaa
Jesus fricking christ this gave me the chills. Right down my fricking goddamn spine, holy shit. What kind of fricking FREAK does this?
why does it feel like this film murdered robert pattinsons career? He had a lot of momentum going into this
Probably because he hasn't been in anything since, though from imdb apparently Batman 2 is in work so he's likely working on that.
Given his twilight money I imagine he doesn't actually need to work again, just whatever he's interested in (like the lighthouse).
It belittled him as an actor because it's a bad movie and capeshit is now seen as very unpopular and actors try to pretend they were never involved with it. Now he's probably contractually stuck to do at least 2 other Batman movies with a shitty director (unless Gunn replaces Reeves on Batman 3-- if there is a Batman 3 at all).
Gunn is at least just as bad
>capeshit is now seen as very unpopular
Batman is typically exempt from this since his movies are usually their own thing not featuring other DC heroes.
Batman is also seen as the most prestigious and coveted superhero role for actors.
>Batman is typically exempt from this
I think the ship has sailed for Batman as well because the movie's director is a very mediocre journeyman and the abovementioned attemtps to "tame" Batman go against the character's image and archetype.
Can someone please make a fanedit removing all the catwoman scenes? It will fix the entire movie.
Marketing and shills acted like this was supposed to be a realistic Batman, but I sweat he tanks more bullets in this movie than all other Batman movies combined. There's that scene where he walks through the Penguin's club and two big groups of guards are shooting him full auto fire and he just keeps walking through it like it's nothing. Even in Robocop, Robo got knocked down and had to crawl away under a constant barrage of mass gunfire when the cops turn on him.
Batman is the biggest b***h in DC. Hurr durr I don't kill people... Because I just don't okay stop asking me about it!
No wonder Gotham is always in danger. Shit bro if all I had to worry about is getting locked up in a jail that I can escape in just a few arcs I'd be terrorizing Gotham too.
If bats started putting bullets in people's heads you can bet your ass the criminals would think twice before doing some dumb shit
>batman doesnt hire an army of armored Robin punishers
Would be the most Kino way to solve Gotham
>im gonna mcmake you a Bat offer you cannot refuse! You come to me on the day of my BatGirl's wedding? You're gonna be sleepin with the fishes ysee! Or my name isn't Bat Capone!
If Gotham stopped being in danger there would no longer be any Batman stories. You could do that in a movie, like when he killed the Joker, but in comics these characters and settings stay perpetually alive.
Punisher alone would solve Gotham in a month tops
I beg to differ.
I think about this baby everyday, why did they take him from me?
I think most audience members would agree that no one really gives a shit what Falcone and his run of the mill mob goons are up to. It’s just boring filler.
Batman was a bumbling moron in this movie who got led on for 3 hours straight by the Riddler and didn't even catch him in the end, the guy literally fricking gave up and let himself get captured.
World's greatest detective my fricking wiener and balls.
I think the movie was majorly hamstrung by also having to be a backdoor pilot for the upcoming Penguin series. I’m sure that was very much a studio mandated thing.
In general, The Batman has a made for streaming vibe to it since it feels like three hour-long episodes of a miniseries more than a cohesive film.
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Oh my God Batman have you heard of Ozempic?
It made the Penguin lose
SO
MUCH
WEIGHT!
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The movie had to be neutered because of Barry Keoghan. They cut everything out he was supposed to do in the plot and it was big.
Exactly. Reeves' Batman is hesitant and inept. Making "rata alada" some kind of deep riddle was absolutely pathetic
>so youre saying this italian word that the Penguin is a ricotta ensalada?
>that doesnt make any fricking sense, Riddler!
>Comissioner!
>Batman! Rata alada is a rat with wings! I remember highschool Spanish class!
>so what?
>hmmm a rat with wings?
>well that cant be me Im a bat becuz Im batman
>well it's gotta be Falcone because birds are basically rats with wings!
Mfw
It's way too moronic to be taken seriously
>so tell me what that big Mexican luchador said
>"he said Im a big guy AND HE WAS PLAYED BY DANNY TREJO WHO ISNT EVEN THAT BIG, boss"
>"so that's what happened to McBain? He became El Bane Grande huh? Looks like this Taco Bell has a story to tell!"
>"Can you believe they stopped selling those Taco Bell dog toys, boss?"
>"shut up before I deport you, Paco"
>Bane invented a drug that turns you Latino!
>it's a frickin MENACE, boss!
>"So THAT'S WHY HE PUT ON THE MASK!"
>"We know everyone cares about you until you turn Latino!"
>"so this was the next part of your master plan huh?"
MY SIDES
Nobody cared who I was until I became a Luchador
Classico Paolo Donato
For a movie that tries to hard to be like a David Finch's movie, why the duo here didn't think of doing this?
In Se7en the cops surprised the killer by asking the FBI to search for anyone that could be researching books about capital sins in public libraries, thus getting the contact info of a suspect and surprising the killer in his own apartment.
This showed that the cops were being proactive and were as smart as the killer was.
There's a screenshot of an argument made here about Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men being a clever hitman and doing smart things because he was written by a smart man.
To answer your question, whoever wrote The Batman is not a smart man.
It was supposed to be good, but then they realized they had to make it with zoomers in mind, so it turned out bad
>High quality film
>no unnecessary sex scenes
>no woke bullshit
>great OST and cinematography
>hilarious riddler
>insane action sequences
action sequences
>batman walks directly towards shooting gunman and punches him while the bullets fly off his batchest
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>no woke bullshit
It is filled with woke bullshit, see the knockout game where a black teen is being pressured by the older and WHITE thugs into committing such act against an elderly Asian man.
Anon that Anon has not seen Real Life Black folk The Movie. It's not in theatres
They all looked latino to me.
>Latino
>Hispanic
Yeah right
?t=97
This guy has to be black, I refuse to believe he isn't.
He is and doesn't seem to be among those who did knock others out, likewise the also black "good guy". All the others were cast as white. Purely coincidental you see, not a woke attempt to subvert reality and common sense at all
Yeah you can always just move goalposts when you're wrong.
The scene is there and it's self-explanatory. 2 black guys in a knockout game gang with 10+ people is beyond ludicrous
They were hispanic
One of the worst takes I've ever read here about any movie
>woke bullshit
Blacked Gordon and black transvestite Catwoman say otherwise
>Blacked Gordon
Black cops have been a thing for decades.
>transvestite Catwoman
What the frick? The actress is a biological female.
>Black cops have been a thing for decades.
Yeah, but black Gordon isn't.
>The actress is a biological female.
Lol. K
>no unnecessary sex scenes
why did you have to include that?
most batman films don't have any sex scenes in them
It was a great movie and im waiting for the sequel.
I just saw the car chase scene today.
Is The Batman 2 happening?
They’re still going forward the Penguin series so we’ll probably get one more Pattinson movie unless they decide to scrap it all in favor of Gunn’s new cinematic universe.
It's been delayed and Gunn publicly told the director to take "all the time he needed" to write it, which probably means "this is shit, go back to the drawing board"
https://me.mashable.com/entertainment/39366/matt-reeves-the-batman-2-has-been-delayed-heres-how-it-impacts-james-gunns-new-dcu
This is the best Cat-woman movie to date.
More fappable than Halley "Crowns King Arthur" Berry
This is to the Nolan trilogy what TFA was to ANH.
>a Bane with wings?
>hakuna matata?
Why is every new Batman movie a grab bag of the same handful of stories from the 80s? Are there really no more recent Batman plots worth adapting?
It was too long and too dark. Like my dick except my dick never flops. *sucks teeth*
NO TE PREOCUPES, JERRY!
"Understand Batman, the criminals you're hunting are controlled by corrupt mafia with political power. Please work in a soup kitchen instead."
Kek was about to rewatch this and asked the same question you did OP, very poor film
It's the best superhero film ever made next to Raimi's Spiderman one.
this scene really does not fit the feel of the movie
The film is full of unintentionally funny cringe moments.
>Riddler's "menacing" live streams where he spergs like an autist
>"You're not my real daddy, Alfred!"
>Batman getting blown back by a bomb in his face
>Alfred getting bombed
>Batman crashing unrealistically in a pile of garbage like a Looney Tunes cartoon
>"Let's go pencil neck!"
>Batman punching Gordon and running away with the cops running after him and screaming
>The whole Arkham scene
>The Joker's giggling
Damn, homie has never read the comics, lel.
I guarantee I have read more Batman comics than you ever will.
Lmao, sure thing.
A real Batman fan (myself) appreciates when comic accurate material is adapted.
What part of what I wrote was comic accurate? The zoomers who love this movie like to claim it's the most comic accurate Batman movie, when even a cursory knowledge of the character is sufficient to understand that it's probably the least accurate. I never see those claims properly backed up.
Tell me what is inaccurate then.
I'll just debunk straight from the horse's mouth.
But let me guess: I'll find evidence of it being comic accurate, and you'll say
>but it's not a widely recognized aspect of the character!!!
As if you have an objective understanding of what the majority understanding of Batman is.
Am I right or wrong?
True or false: you're full of excuses
Start listing it pal.
What's inaccurate?
The only one holding up this station is you.
But I never claimed what I wrote was inaccurate to the comics, I just said they were cringy moments in the film. You were the one to bring up comic accuracy. But anyway, just off the top of my head, Batman walking through automatic gunfire at point-blank range without even flinching is inaccurate. I think it has happened once in his almost 90 year history, and that was during the short period in the New 52 when they made his suit ridiculously OP. I'm sure Hack Reeves wasn't referencing that. His inspirations were comics like Year One and The Long Halloween. 99.9% of the time, if Batman gets shot, he gets hurt. It's just something Hack Reeves put in the movie so they could have a "cool" shot in the trailer. Nolan knew how Batman operates.
Reeves specifically mentioned Zero Year and thanked Scott Snyder in the credits.
So it has happened in the comics and was inspired by the comics.
There's a ton of shit in this movie I don't like but honestly it had a bit of soul to it and kicks the shit out the Snyder ones, so it at least it's a step back in the right direction.
BUT IT'S BlackS IN IT
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO TELL MY HOMESCHOOLED KIDS WHEN THEY SEE THIS FILTH HUH??
>and kicks the shit out the Snyder ones
But it doesn't, you fricking moron.
You listed 9 and missed so many
>Batman listening to Nirvana while writing his dark thoughts in a diary like a 15yo girl
>OPEN YOUR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYES
>the Squirrelman flight
>Every scene with John Turturro - worst casting in the movie despite black Jim Gordon
>those completely disjointed 5 minutes of Bruce wondering if it was Falcone, Maroni or some dude who killed his dad
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE MARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIA while Batman punches the glass
>the ending with Batman and Catwoman chasing each other on the bikes
I haven't seen it since it came out so I'm sure I'm forgetting some. The whole movie is like a parody
>Every scene with John Turturro - worst casting in the movie despite black Jim Gordon
Frick you John Turturro is great and he was great in this movie
Hey, I like John Turturro but I just couldn't take him seriously in that role. It was the least menacing mafia boss ever. He felt more friendly than anything, except in that one fight scene.
The sad thing is, there legitimately is not one criticism of this film that is valid.
Just a lot of easily debunked misreadings.
I've been doing it here for about two years now, and I'm delighted to know that no one has managed to come up with anything better.
Watched it on a plane. Even then it was a huge slog to get through. Every character except Penguin was a boring, which is damaging when you procedural noir lacks any interesting twists or plot beats.
>No, it's the club within the club!
Actually, calling this shit "boring" is too much praise. This movie was incredibly stupid, like the second Jurassic World movie.
Tanking Batman and gothic Gotham were totally wasted.
I can't believe batman flicks peaked with Begins. And here I thought nobody could outcringe Sneeder holy shit The Batman sucks shit through ten (10) bricks
Begins has the most boring first and third act of any Nolan film.
there has never been a good (live-action) Batman movie
It was a good adaption, but it was nothing people haven't seen before.
I appreciated the gothic architecture and vibe and him doing detective work. But most people just see yet another Batman reboot with batman doing batman shit.
Would have been great casting and setup for a TV show following after the movie.
>But most people just see yet another Batman reboot with batman doing batman shit.
I see it as yet another Batman reboot with Batman being chastised for doing Batman shit and the Batman shit being fricking boring as frick and stupid as well on top of it.
>Batman being chastised for doing Batman shit
he is a rich straight white man after all
>with Batman being chastised for doing Batman shit
At what point in the movie was he ever "chastised"? He had all the cops on his side and the people loved him, especially at the end. The only time people were "against" him was when he punched Gordon, which was a ruse by both of them.
>He had all the cops on his side
How come the defenders of this shit movie always resort to lies?
Aside from that one scene where the cops chased him for punching Gordon (which was literally a ruse on both their parts btw) name ONE time the cops were going against him.
Throughout the entire movie they make it a point to show that the entire police force hates his guts outside of Gordon and that mutt police officer, then halfway throughout the movie they show that the reason the police force hates him is because most of them are on the take from Falcone, and then at the very end give some bullshit twist that actually the cops that aren't corrupt and were totally there in the movie you just didn't saw them before actually love Batman and are okay with his presence. They're also all coincidently hecking diverse, and at all like those corrupt cops on the take that were all white and italian (the white passing ones).
>third scene in the movie has all the cops except Gordon glare at him while he investigates the first murder
>during the bomb explosion, everyone but Gordon is against him
>after the punch, "everyone" is against him
And that's from memory after 2 years since I saw the movie. The funniest part is by the end, they change their mind about him and it's not clear why. I guess because he captured Falcone but it should be another criminal captured by him, it shouldn't make them do a 180 about him
The movie itself chastised him during the prologue (crime has gone up instead of down during his activity and he doesn't know why), Catwoman chastised him, the black candidate chastised him as Bruce Wayne for wasting his white privilege, Alfred chastised him, the movie itself again chastised him by comparing him to Riddler and his followers, Batman himself chastised himself.
>The movie itself chastised him during the prologue (crime has gone up instead of down during his activity and he doesn't know why)
Batman started his career only like a year or two prior, of course he's not gonna make an immediate dent when up against several years' worth of data. Even the Year One comic had basically all the Mafia and corrupt politicians/officials still in power.
>Catwoman chastised him
She didn't, she complained about the kind of people who had been giving her shit her whole life, and lumped Bruce Wayne (not Batman) in with them because her trauma makes her assume the worst in people in Bruce's position.
>the black candidate chastised him as Bruce Wayne for wasting his white privilege
She didn't mention "white privilege" at all, all she said was that Bruce's parents had a history of philanthropy and community investment whereas he was just sitting on his ass. She was being completely polite about it too.
>Alfred chastised him
Literally all he said was for him to get out into the world.
>the movie itself again chastised him by comparing him to Riddler and his followers
Which was shot down by Batman himself as soon as it became a plot point.
>Batman himself chastised himself
Going "I can do more" isn't chastisement, it's self-reflection. You should try it sometime.
Bro these people are moronic. You can't reason with stupid.
I'm still waiting on a list of apparent inaccuracies. These guys don't have anything.
They truly got filtered.
You were the one to bring "comic book accuracy" into the discussion. You tell what part of this shit heap of a movie was accurate.
On different levels, pretty much everything about it. That is my claim.
Tell me what is inaccurate.
Again, I'll wait.
And if a chest symbol being a knife is all you got, I gotta say, it ain't looking too good for you.
It made perfect sense. The film could not have functioned without it.
>It made perfect sense
It makes no sense in any way except forcing a self-sacrifice scene, but it's fricking dumb.
Batarangs are shown to be sharp and Batman shown to be accurate with them, and there's no reason Batman needs to jump and hung close to the cord to cut it. Throwing a Batarang would have cut the cord just fine without any dramatic falls. It makes 0 sense logically.
Batman doesn't have usable batarangs in this universe. He has prototypes visible in the Batcave, but he doesn't use them. So he had to jump on the chord to cut it, as it would be smarter than hucking one tactical blade at a wire and hoping it cut it.
Secondly, it ties into his character arc especially well. That scene isn't there to trick people into thinking Batman literally died. If you go into a Batman movie genuinely worrying he might die, you're moronic.
It's there to show the metaphoric rebirth of Batman, and a new dawn for the hero.
Can't believe I actually have to explain this.
>Batman doesn't have classic Batman gear and doesn't do Batman things
Then it's a bad Batman movie
Again, I understood the why, it is the how that ruins it.
>Batman doesn't use a batarang
>Therefore Batman is not Batman and never does Batman things
I guess the first appearance of Batman is also not Batman then?
Nice strawman, but Batman is the sum of all the previous works put together. Batarangs are one of his trademarks, not including them because otherwise they'd ruin a dumb scene is moronic.
Ah. The Ship of Theseus route.
So at what point does this sum not resemble Batman?
And who is the authority on what comes together to form the summation?
When does the summation cut off? The 70s? The 80s?
Is this objective or subjective?
When a movie adapts a story about the smartest man in the world, known to be profitable with thrown weapons and to carry them often, but has him be dumb as shit and not use his trademark thrown weapons, you're deviating from the source too much and making it a bad adaptation. You can call it Batman like they did, but Squirreltard is a lot closer to the end result.
>When a movie adapts a story about the smartest man in the world
Aaaaaand you just outed yourself as someone who doesn’t know shit about Batman.
> known to be profitable with thrown weapons and to carry them often, but has him be dumb as shit and not use his trademark thrown weapons, you're deviating from the source too much and making it a bad adaptation.
For the love of God, read Batman: Year One if you think Batman should just be automatically good at everything at the start of his career. This version of Batman only just started being Batman and his rogues are only beginning to show up.
>he wasn't smart!
Well, that's subjective, so nothing to prove there. I thought he was smart enough for Year Two.
>he didn't throw things!
So Batman to you is a smart guy who throws things?
And if one of these two things are lost, one of them being subjective mind you, it is no longer Batman?
I might be crazy, but when I think of Batman, I can think of a million things that make the character Batman than "throwing things".
I think his bat belt with batarangs was in the Batmobile to power the engine like the core of that fully primed neutron bomb, but I might be misbanekin.
But just to state the obvious for you zoomers who have read max two Batman comics (let me guess, Hush and Court of Owls?):
Batman's chest symbol is not a knife. He has batarangs in his belt that he uses to cut things. He would never electrocute himself cutting a cable like this like a total moron. Just lol at this scene.
I honestly laughed at that and wondered why he didn't use a Batarang there. I mean, I know why they added a dramatic self-sacrifice scene, but it made 0 sense. Just like the rest of the movie.
Would he even get shocked though, was his body touching anything besides the cable?
You're just paraphrasing the other comment and I admitting that the other anon is correct
chastised him
>She didn't,
She does chastise him, wondering why a guy like him isn't willing to help her against rich people just because they're rich. The fact she's doing this because of her trauma doesn't erase it, and the movie's narrative takes her side in the end so you can't even leave it up to interpretation
>>the black candidate chastised him as Bruce Wayne for wasting his white privilege
>She didn't mention "white privilege" at all, all she said was that Bruce's parents had a history of philanthropy and community investment whereas he was just sitting on his ass. She was being completely polite about it too.
She was being preachy as frick, in the middle of a funeral too. Considering it's a politician we're talking about, it feels like she's doing it out of self-interest but even if she's good, she's still preachy like he's a little boy.
>>the movie itself again chastised him by comparing him to Riddler and his followers
>Which was shot down by Batman himself as soon as it became a plot point.
And then the movie doubled down on it by having incel shooter #37 call himself Vengeance after Batman, which leads to him rejecting that idea (one of the most iconic Batman things is calling himself vengeance) because it might inspire other school shooters - a point the movie insists on heavily because it's an anti-vigilante Batman movie.
>chastisement is when someone doesn’t suck your wiener all the time
>all the time
The only person that is on Batman's corner throughout the entire movie is Gordon, everyone else criticizes him, chastises him or opposes him at some point or another. It would be understandable if it was just the bad guys, but it's everyone. It would make sense if this was a violent anti-hero like the Punisher but it isn't.
Somehow in the last few years we've had a Joker movie that painted him in a favorable light and a Batman movie criticizing him at every point.
>Batman just started being Batman 1-2 years prior to the movie
>”WHY DOESN’T EVERYONE LIKE HIM INSTANTLY FRICKING CHASTISEMENT”
Moron.
>Somehow in the last few years we've had a Joker movie that painted him in a favorable light
You’re so full of shit it’s unbelievable. Joker fully admits that he did everything he did in that movie for his own emotional benefit and he did shit like killing his own mother, stalking kid Bruce, and killing a TV show host just because he riffed on him for making an ass of himself at a comedy club.
Joker shows Joker is the result of being mistreated by everyone, a victim of society and all that. If you only see scenes strung together and miss that larger narrative, you're moronic.
The cops were always against him and it was appropriately gloomy for the times of crushing impending doom.
It's one of only 5 or so movies that have come out post-covid that I enjoyed.
It just lacked punch.
I saw it in the theater and when it got to the big moment where Batman knocks over Penguin's car and he marches towards them and the music's playing, I was like... meh. Something about it lacks pizazz, I don't know if it's Pattinson or the director.
I swear every 3 hour movie I watch would be much better if they just cut 30-45 minutes from it, the pacing in this makes it so forgettable. The ending isn't strong enough for all that build up. The penguin is in this shit lmao
Yeah feels like the theatrical release should cut out at least 30 minutes and then they could release the obligatory 3h director's cut a year later.
I knew while I was in the cinema that it was mid. If you make a nightclub scene in a movie do it once and do it right and you have absolute kino, see Collateral. Instead batman went back to the nightclub 3 times and didn't do one 'great' scene there. Secondly it was just far too long, the last 30 mins soured me so much with the shitty Cinemaphile snipers and flooding. Finally, so much was talked about the Dano riddler and he actually didn't do all that much which was weird to me, his plan was shit.
Something something white privilege
>endless seething on here
>literally never seen anyone outside of this jeet board shit talk it
It's just not a very good movie. There are some great things in it though. Penguin, Batmobile, tone, atmosphere are great. Dano, Kravitz, Pattison, Serkis are all fine. The story just brings the whole thing down.
>Batmobile, tone, atmosphere are great.
All those are shit.
Kravitz looks and sounds awful and seems like she smells bad. Just an assault on all 5 senses.
Dano is cringe incarnate.
my 35 year old nephew that absolutely LOVES marvel didn't enjoy this movie, that's all I need to know about how people look at this movie
it was kinda bad (as in a directors first serious movie bad), but nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be
>She does chastise him, wondering why a guy like him isn't willing to help her against rich people just because they're rich.
It’s not “just because they’re rich”. The movie makes it clear that people like Falcone have been the source of her misery and torment for practically all her life, and given the politicians and other rich people in on it, why would she not think poorly of them and Wayne? And she has every reason to ask that question since, as far as she knows, they’re fighting the same people, the only real difference being Batman wanting to fix the situation while Catwoman just wants out of the whole thing with some cash in tow.
>She was being preachy as frick, in the middle of a funeral too.
She was at a funeral for a political opponent and someone she actively didn’t like, and so was Bruce. She figured she would take her chance then and there since Bruce barely gets out in the sun.
>And then the movie doubled down on it by having incel shooter #37 call himself Vengeance after Batman, which leads to him rejecting that idea (one of the most iconic Batman things is calling himself vengeance) because it might inspire other school shooters - a point the movie insists on heavily because it's an anti-vigilante Batman movie.
Did you watch the movie through just YT clips or something? The whole point of that monologue was Bruce realizing that being Batman and making a difference wasn’t just about “vengeance” or beating up the bad guys, but also about being a symbol of hope for the people. Even Batman in the comics acknowledged this years prior. If you want a character that just cares about “vengeance” and nothing else, The Punisher is more your thing.
They don't know anything about Batman.
It's like explaining Moby Dick to an infant.
>comparing capeshit to literature
>comparing a character which appeared in words on a page to characters which appeared in words on a page
Oops.
Meant for
>The movie makes it clear that people like Falcone have been the source of her misery
Which doesn't justify her or erases the fact that she does chastise Batman for not seeing things her way. You're not even denying that she chastises him here, just trying to downplay it kek
>She was at a funeral for a political opponent and someone she actively didn’t like, and so was Bruce. She figured she would take her chance then and there since Bruce barely gets out in the sun
So you admit she was chastising him too, got it
>The whole point of that monologue was Bruce realizing that being Batman and making a difference wasn’t just about “vengeance” or beating up the bad guys, but also about being a symbol of hope for the people
I would be behind that, Batman standing both for vengeance (against bad guys) and hope (for the good guys) if the movie didn't make it a goal to show the idea of Batman = Vengeance as a bad thing. Batman can be both things and usually is. But it is the movie that insists on pushing his quest for "vengeance" as a bad thing that only inspires bad guys. Shit, the Riddler admits he's inspired by Batman, that one last guy calls himself Vengeance doubles on that idea. The movie is not subtle about it, and Batman is clearly appalled by the whole thing at the end. How can you not see it?
NTA but the idea is that only partaking in vengeance is bad.
There isn't a proper balance. That's the theme of the film.
You could say that's the idea behind it if the movie didn't insist so hard on him representing "vengeance" as a bad thing, or argued he should be vengeance against rich people just because they're rich
But vengeance is a bad thing if you're only pursuing vengeance.
If my goal to stop crime is only self-serving, I won't stop crime.
Because crime itself is self-serving.
You can't fight fire with fire. That's what he learns.
>Batman can't fight crime
Then what's the point? Like I said before, it is an anti-vigilante movie about Batman, the softest vigilante of them all
That’s not what he said at all. He said that if your crusade against crime is centered around yourself then crime doesn’t stop, because crime is inherently self-centered.
>That’s not what he said at all
>You can't fight fire with fire
He did, through the use of a metaphor. I'll let you google what that means, moron.
It’s not saying that Batman’s desire for “vengeance” is bad, only that vengeance alone isn’t going to accomplish what he wants.
So you just latched onto one thing I said and ignored everything else that was vehemently against that position?
> Which doesn't justify her or erases the fact that she does chastise Batman for not seeing things her way.
It’s justifiable to her. Just because you don’t think the same way doesn’t mean her character is beholden to your thinking.
>So you admit she was chastising him too, got it
It was so fricking clearly a politician ploy to get him to support her campaign. She was trying to play into his family’s history.
>if the movie didn't make it a goal to show the idea of Batman = Vengeance as a bad thing.
It doesn’t do this. Bruce is saying that vengeance isn’t gonna make up for all he’s lost, and that vengeance alone isn’t gonna solve the problems plaguing Gotham.
>But it is the movie that insists on pushing his quest for "vengeance" as a bad thing that only inspires bad guys. Shit, the Riddler admits he's inspired by Batman, that one last guy calls himself Vengeance doubles on that idea.
Dude what? The movie almost screams in your face that the whole Batman-Riddler dynamic is centered around their difference in goals. Riddler is specifically going after people who he feels wronged him which spirals into him thinking that Gotham as a whole is unsalvageable, whereas Batman wants to bring down many of those same people but in the name of SAVING Gotham. The whole movie is about Bruce understanding what it means to be Batman.
>It’s justifiable to her
I know it is, and she chastises Batman about it. It doesn't matter if I agree with her or not, the point is that it happens.
>Riddler is specifically going after people who he feels wronged him
That has a name, and considering he's not "just" in his retribution, what would you call it?
Vengeance in the movie is painted as a bad thing that only breeds bad things despite it being a core Batman thing. It's not that the movie wants to push Batman being Vengeance + Hope, is that it pushes hope over vengeance. That applies to Superman for example, but Batman originally combines both and the movie doesn't get that.
I'm tired of this argument so let's agree to disagree if you still don't see what I mean.
SOMETHING IN MY ASS
Batman for women
Challenging mystery but not entertaining as the Bane Scarecrow combo with that faux penguin cat woman combo.
The only good part of the movie for me was the theme itself (not its use since its comically overused). It's really good, but in the context of the movie the emotionality of the theme isn't earned so it does nothing for it
>forgettable
There are threads discussing this film nearly every day
Anon they're talking about the kind of forgettable where you remember it and seethe about it two years later.
It's that kind of forgettable.
brain-rotting goons needs their daily dose of pretence of superiority to just wake up in the morning
>all the seething about nig gordon and the film's message
don't care, still like it, way better than Nolanshit
the Batman fanboys are so fricking pathetic
They unironically think their poor Nolan imitation is actually worth watching and not a pile of shit forgotten and discarded a few weeks later.
>"Your movie is forgotten!"
>He angrily screamed in a thread entirely dedicated to remembering the film
>Oh wow a thread on Cinemaphile means this shitty flick is totally remembered
>People definitely don't remember it in mainstream society if it's talked about on here!
Phew, the cope is unreal.
>says this shitty flick isn't forgotten based on this thread existing
>n-no. people are also discussing it IRL as well till today. O-okay?
the Batman gays are so embarrassing.
This flick was forgotten almost immediately
>still remembers it
>still talking about it
>has to hope no one in America is talking about it to not look like a moron
This is better than peak primetime
>sees thread about specific topic
>hurr durr wHy ArE yOu TalKing AbOuT iT?
Most of the posters are criticizing it as well, dummy
>has to reframe entire back and forth to seem coherent
I wasn't the one saying no one was talking about it while simultaneously talking about it in a thread dedicated to talking about it.
>I not alone! Other people criticize with me!
And many people thought leeches cured illnesses.
>I wasn't the one saying no one was talking about it while simultaneously talking about it in a thread dedicated to talking about it.
Yes, And I pointed out how one thread on this shithole of a website doesn't mean it's not forgotten after you brought up this specific thread as evidence.
Then you shifted the narrative to say it's talked about IRL as well.
Learn to keep up, dummy.
>And many people thought leeches cured illnesses.
And several people (according to you) think the Batman is fondly remembered and isn't a gigantic piece of shit.
>This is better than peak primetime
I'm glad you're having your little giggles alone in your basement scrolling Cinemaphile all night
Bro is malding fervently over a Batman thread.
Note the desperate leap from talk over the film to talk about personal life.
Everyone knows none of the live action shit can even come close to the Arkham Knight games or the 90's tv animation series.
nolan films got carried by the villains, bale is a great wayne and terrible batman.
I feel the terrible Bale's batman is hindered mainly by the oversized cowl and especially the writing. No actor could yell in a raspy-angry voice "SWEAR TO ME!!!!!!!!" sound good
>miscast
>shit script
>was sold as "a detective" via a single scene
>shit antagonist
>desecration of Catwoman
Went from a 6/10 to a 2/10 with that awful Joker scene.
You mean that deleted scene that’s not part of the actual movie?
No, I mean the joker scene that was in the movie. Next time watch the movie till the end.
>The Batman's defenders don't even remember the movie
kek
It was on tv one time and it was so dark i couldnt tell what was happening and just turned it off.
The writing is terrible
>robbed us of an acruslly attractive Catwoman
>robbed us of a decent villain only to turn him into leet hackor generic edgy trope
>here’s you’re 4th joker bro. Btw he’s a 5’7 Irish dude
>Had to shoehorn that cringey, ham fisted “rich white men” line in there despite Catwomans white father being a multi millionaire kingpin too
>robbed us off any decent character progession, Batman flips at the end of a movie and realises ok vengeance bad
>people keep calling him vengeance which is moronic. That’s like calling a cop justice or something
>the movie is acruslly pretty decent with a complex / dark arc until the 3rd act where they pull a 180 and Riddler pulls the generic “destroy the city!” Plan
Battinson is kino, his mannerisms. He plays a truly mentally ill, nocturnal fragile Batman very well. His car is great, that’s the only plus it had. He’s a great Batman (mostly)
>here’s you’re 4th joker bro
Just going to point out he's the 5th, or 6th if you count Romero (you should)
My bad, stand corrected anon
homie there's constant threads about it here, including this one.
Just fricking cast Scott Adkins for Deathstroke and make Batman 2 already. What are you waiting for?
>Scott Adkins
Isn't he a turbomanlet? Couldn't take him seriously as Deathstroke
This guy is a terrible actor and Deathstroke is not an Batman villain.
It has, hands down, the vest batmobile of all time.
>muh tumbler
Overwrought. Military hardware makes batman invisible and it is not fun to watch a tank which seemingly cannot have its paint scratched blast through walls
>muh Burton goth mobile
Wonderful but it is only suitable for the Burton setting where Gotham is live action nightmare before Christmas setting
>muh 60s
It's all charm and nostalgia
The batmobile should be a gas guzzling muscle car with reinforced cage and some cool gadgets but not Bond level stupid shit.
The Riddler did Batman's job for him and then the movie ends.
I really enjoyed it. The only issue was the ending with the flooding and the stadium felt ridiculous, as if it was copied and pasted from the script of a generic over the top action movie that ended up never being made, and dumped at the end of this Batman movie.
>over the top
more like over the slop amiright
>"Nobody cares about this movie anymore lmao"
>Thread hits bump limit
Kek every time