>it literally looks like a prequels shot
At least those had colour. And looked way less uniform. This is just copypasting the exact same 3D model over and over and putting all the copies in a straight line.
>The CGI in the prequels was always dogshit.
It was the best you could have at the time, peabrain. I get that you weren't alive back then, but maybe you shouldn't go around spouting bullshit then?
As someone who was comprised of more than a single cell back then, all I can say is “Frick off, Zoomie”. The CG in the Star Wars prequels was always cartoon trash, and even at the time was getting mogged by stuff like Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean.
>The CG in the Star Wars prequels was always cartoon trash
Imagine saying this and then calling others "zoomie". >stuff like Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean.
Kek. Those didn't age any better.
I watched it in Onyx because it promised true black for the Harkonnen sequence. Also because it's not a projection the definition was incredible. Fuzzy projections have been ruining the experience for me lately. Ceirtainly messed with The Creator and Poor Things.
From what I've read you get more out of better sound than IMAX size. But I'd say if you have access to an Onyx theatre it's definitely worth it.
>Fuzzy projections have been ruining the experience for me lately.
sounds like an issue with the lamps. They need to change the projector bulbs more often.
if you aren't seeing it in the cinema it's not worth watching at all
much like the first dune, it's a spectacle of special effects and god tier sound design, the actual directing and script are 1/10
>It's more Villeneuve than Herbert
More Villeneuve, yes. But there's a good amount of Herbert in there ... Brian Herbert:
https://www.wired.com/story/dune-brian-herbert-q-and-a/ >Brian Herbert is also, yes, involved with the upcoming Dune film from director Denis Villeneuve. He’s been advising on the script and believes it will be the definitive adaptation of his father’s book.
I wish Herbert was as autistic about the militaries in his series as he was about the environment of Dune, because if you have intergalactic houses with vast wealth and their their own fleets why are all of their troops just "helicopters" and footsoldiers? The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled? I thought the Sardaukar were meant to be elite, the Harkonnen grunts did a better job at fighting.
NTA, but the premise/setting is not the same thing as what something is about. Dune (the books at least) are very much about human beings, about cultures and belief systems, about morality, about freedom, about love even. Not ever about war.
I think the limits on tech after the Bluterian Jihad + insane especialization led to stagnation, not only in the technology but also in wars, the galaxy seems very stable so the real deal is assassination. We have little in matters of weapons but a shit ton in poisons and assassination devices. Even Sardaukar would carry concealed darts, garrotes and knifes for this purpose.
>because if you have intergalactic houses with vast wealth and their their own fleets
They don't have their own fleets. Interstellar travel is monopolized by the Spacing Guild.
>why are all of their troops just "helicopters" and footsoldiers?
Because we're watching the war on Dune, where vibrations attract sandworms and there's only one real non-Fremen settlement.
>The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled?
They weren't expecting any of that to be possible. The Fremen don't have atomic weapons and the spot they were at was supposed to be protected from the worms.
>I thought the Sardaukar were meant to be elite
They are, but they're trained at using shields, which slows your attacks. The Fremen don't use shields because they both attract the worms and drive them into a frenzy.
>the Harkonnen grunts did a better job at fighting.
They have experience with the Fremen.
Thanks for actually reading the books and explaining it to these Star Wars man children.
Dune is set in a future where non-computer technology is near infinite, and the rock paper scissors effect of shields and lasers creating unpredictable nuclear explosions means that swords are effective weapons for soldiers.
The Sardaukar are elite troops because like the Fremen they have been brutally raised on a prison planet, to serve the emperor. Nobody is allowed to go to Salusa Secundus for the reason because the Emperor does not want his secret sauce exposed.
Herbert did a great job showing just how elite the Sardaukar are. My favorite scene is when the Sardaukar Bashir (colonel) barges in the Baron Harkonens room on Arrakis and all but b***h slaps him into submission.
In the books the Sardaukar fight bravely and lose at the end because of the storm, sandworms and superior fighting of the Fremen. Herbert makes it abundantly clear that the Fremen live in even crueler conditions to the Sardaukar hence their victory.
I thought the movie was 11/10 kino through and through. My only quip is Christopher walken was miscast.
This is true. They also totally romp the Sardaukar at every opportunity.
The point I am making is that the Sardaukeqr equally romp the Harkonnens and other houses. The whole dynamic between the Count Fenring and Baron scene in the book is the Count testing the baron of his knowledge as to how the Sardaukar are so formidable.
I dont agree the Emperor should have been a feeble old man. The books he sure wasnt or in Dune 1984. I loved the part where he dressed down the Baron at the end verbally.
It didnt ruin the movie or anything, I just cant see Christopher Walken as anything else but Christopher Walken at this point. The way he says "Baron!" In the throne room just puts me back into the True Romance trailer scene.
>Herbert makes it abundantly clear that the Fremen live in even crueler conditions to the Sardaukar hence their victory
Isn't this idea a complete load of shit in real life 99.99% of the time outside of extreme exceptions like the Mongols that one time
It's only a complete load of shit because the tough shitholers who're capable of fighting well tend to be hard headed morons who don't take well to rigorous training. They usually excel when they don't reject the training.
>The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled?
the fact that his mega ultra ship didn't immediately intercept 3 giant rockets flying in a straight line is a fricking hack writing
did you not realize dune is hack writing starting from the premise where one half of the planet is supposedly inaccessible despite this being a sci-fi era where people can use ships to do almost anything?
dune is fun if you don't think about it too hard, it's a very, very stupid story at its core with a totally unbelievable setting
this is why no sort of genius can ever make a movie that feels "authentic" because there's no way to make dune feel that way, it's moronic at its core
Spacing Guild rates for troop transport is so astronomically high that military technology has regressed in a lot of ways. Even the richest houses in the imperium can't reasonably project force any more significant than a few hundred thousand troops and some light air support
Not to sure how to explain it but it looks like they 1:1 rendered some digital concept art onto the screen. When usually youd take concept art like that and try to make it look more natural and varied in a movie. It looks "video gamey" in the worst way possible, like they spammed a bunch of units then hit the formation buttons in Total War.
For comparison
Even in real life military formations like this you can see a lot of variety. Some of the formations are slightly off, there's people not in formation, there's a a variety of landscape and architecture around them, etc. I get the excuse that "it's a desert" even though not all of these scenes are on Arrakis, but then maybe they should have had less scenes like this that make it look so artificial. But I guess midwits can jerk off over these big vista wideshots and talk about le cinemotagraphy of a scene that is 90% digital.
the most tasteless homosexual i know is a massive duncgay now and is telling me how it's a masterpiece and how everyone who disagrees with it is a brainlet
this is the same person who thought disney shows were good and enjoys all the crap under the sun
i think DUNC is fine, certainly serviceable, but the amount of midwit anti-cinema homosexuals pretending it's god's gift to mankind have completely turned me against it
>he most tasteless homosexual i know is a massive duncgay now and is telling me how it's a masterpiece and how everyone who disagrees with it is a brainlet >this is the same person who thought disney shows were good and enjoys all the crap under the sun
I would have said we know the same person if it wasn't about dunc, but about terminator sequels (yeah, all of them)
there is a certain type of consoomer that exists now for whom the movies they watch are almost irrelevant, and the gay i'm talking about is a prime example
he doesn't watch the movies because he genuinely enjoys the experience, that's just his starting point from which he can then go and imbibe hundreds of hours of youtube slop about muh lore and muh characters
i don't really know when this trend started, i first noticed it around game of thrones when there were suddenly dozens of 1h+ videos popping up where people were going into the minutiae of the lore
but then it started happening with everything
like this homosexual i am speaking of hasn't read the books and never will but he has no problem just sitting there at his workplace or at home listening to youtube slop explaining to him how "deep" it all is
it's honestly so repugnant and disgusting
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I agree. It's everywhere and I don't know how we got here.
These morons don't even watch movies, not the stuff that's on screen. The movie they see in their mind is a salad of their headcanon, interned discussion, hype. youtube essays and you can't really discuss movies with them since they literally haven't seen the same movie as you
Dune isn't about war, in fact there was a time skip when most of fighting took place.
However this doesen't excuse Denis and his CGI "team"
Not to sure how to explain it but it looks like they 1:1 rendered some digital concept art onto the screen. When usually youd take concept art like that and try to make it look more natural and varied in a movie. It looks "video gamey" in the worst way possible, like they spammed a bunch of units then hit the formation buttons in Total War.
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Even in real life military formations like this you can see a lot of variety. Some of the formations are slightly off, there's people not in formation, there's a a variety of landscape and architecture around them, etc. I get the excuse that "it's a desert" even though not all of these scenes are on Arrakis, but then maybe they should have had less scenes like this that make it look so artificial. But I guess midwits can jerk off over these big vista wideshots and talk about le cinemotagraphy of a scene that is 90% digital.
You just know they take the fact that it's military-based and all that to make everything symmetrical and stiff as possible without anyone making a fuzz, but that shit is boring as hell.
Even the most organized group of people will have like a general walking around the troops or some signaling guy for the ships. There is no variation for the architecture at all. Seriously, what the frick were they thinking?
>There is no variation for the architecture at all.
Yes there is. Arrakeen is very different from what we see on Caledan and the Fremen sietches are very different from Arrakeen and Geidi Prime is different from everything else. Selusa Secondus is perhaps somewhat reminicient of Arrakeen but the main difference betwen that it's raining so the concrete/stone looks different.
I didn't make myself clear, I was looking at that picture specifically, not saying all the planets are alike. Within each set there is not much variation, doesn't seem like the place is alive. It's one ship, then another, then another, one column, then another, then another. One crowd, then another... and so on.
It could be said the star wars prequels did future cities and ships better. Obviously a royal family has a military with lots of uniformity, but the adjacent people have other things.
Oh and even in congress almost all men wear identical suits. At best the variation is on what shade of gray or blue it is. Maybe they wear a tie that isn't just a solid red and blue and perhaps its something a bit different than just a simple pattern. One time Obama made national headlines because he wore a tan suit. People conform even if you don't put a gun to their heads.
Yeah its almost like its run but some kind of supreme overlord that has the power to make everyone dress and design everything according to their sensibilities.
>some in-universe excuse for boring cgi sets
It was my initial point that this is used as a cheap justification. Alright, it shouldn't look like Blade Runner like carnival, but there is no reason to have row after row with no variation whatsoever, nothing is that symmetric, it simply makes it look not functional, not real and not relatable.
For comparison, imagine if the Fremen suits were pure black spandex with no texture or variation. You could say "well, but you see, they are in a desert, not a fashion show", etc, etc. Boring as frick.
How much detail are you even seeing in what people are wearing in this picture thought? Besides are you even aware of that the sunlight on the planet is completely different from Earth's? They show a pair of Bene Gesseret's wear black indoors and when they walk outside the light changes their clothing to chalk white. Its not that people arne't wearing anything that has color, even if they did you wouldn't see any color.
Yeah its almost like its run but some kind of supreme overlord that has the power to make everyone dress and design everything according to their sensibilities.
We can presume the boring garden/concrete blocks the Emperor is in for half his screen time in Kaitain. There is no obulance or anything to the Imperial Court. The Emperor's throne room in his golden tent looks about the same as the interior of the Arrakeen governor palace.
yes, they cut to it a bit in Part Two. I would say there are like 5 collective total minutes of the Emperor and Irulan on Kaitain.
Thanks. I've always liked Kaitain even though it's barely seen. Aside from political assassinations it seemed like a nice place to live: beautiful buildings, pleasant climate, tons of museums, etc.
thank god Hollywood will never touch 40k, seeing how badly they butchered this sci-fi series. i'll stick to my warhammer novels which are leagues above anything this sick and diseased industry will ever be able to produce.
I think they should've had a layer of limestone on the exterior of this. Would've made it look more like the egyptian pyramids in their original form while also providing cooling by reflection. The limestone also being made geologically from process involving the ocean would've been neat as well. Perhaps they'll change the look of it in Messiah.
the scene where they're leaving the planet and you realize all the ships have to leave in order of importance coz the most danger is to the ships that leave last
one of the finest sci-fi scenes and mostly ignored coz "muh nazis shouldn't be cool!"
What? You think "muh black sun makes stuff grey" is gonna fly with anyone who isn't a complete uneducated moron?
It's just another poor excuse of Villeneuve's for not having to use colour and instead making everything look drab and uninteresting. The last one being "deserts aren't supposed to look colourful", which was also contrafactual.
No one is impressed by your feeble intellect just because you insert it into conversations where it doesn't belong. It was a stylistic choice and complaining that it's not "scientifically accurate" is pure midwittery.
By the way, understated visuals are not automatically bad just because they aren't awash with eye-gouging neon. You just can't into nuance.
If the science doesn't matter and it's purely stylistic, then why bring up "muh black sun" in the first place? Surely you could just have shot it in black and white and not go into pseudo-science explanations that make no sense, right? When Steven Spielberg pivoted to black and white after half a scene when shooting Schindler's List, he didn't try to explain his (actual) stylistic choice away with black suns, did he?
3 months ago
Anonymous
"black sun" sounds nice and has historical connotations to fascism. Also an infrared emitting sun would in fact be black
3 months ago
Anonymous
>an infrared emitting sun would in fact be black
If you want to see an infrared emitting sun, look up to the sky. Too bad that light usually comes in a whole spectrum of waves when you don't filter it. But let me guess: This "black sun" has some infrared-filter-bubble around it or something?
But, hey, let's roll with it. You know what the planet would look like if only infrared light got there? It wouldn't look at all, since you cannot see infrared light. All the scenes would be pitch black. An infrared camera is not the same as being in an infrared-lit scene.
>. the scene was shot with infrared cameras.
Which results in a greyscale picture, yes, moron.
Why are Villeneuve fanboys literally this ignorant?
3 months ago
Anonymous
yes, but it assigns values in a very different way than just turning footage black and white. It looks like a spirit world. you must be baiting or moronic at this point
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it assigns values in a very different way
Half of the elements in those scenes are computer generated in the first place. The rest is costuming and makeup. You know that, to receive naturalistic images in old (analogue) black and white films, costumes had to be way higher contrast and makeup tended to be white rather than reddish? Filmmakers took those things into consideration to get the result they want. So if you're dead-set on filming with infrared cameras, what do you do? You use material and makeup with the right amount of infrared reflection for what shade of grey you want. Not hard to do, just a very high-effort way to receive the same result.
All of DUNC is artificial. Villeneuve didn't go into nature and shot random scenes in infrared, he shot scenes that were setup in a very specific way to produce a very specific result in infrared cameras. He could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter. But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick, would they? And they couldn't pretend that he was oh such a creative genius for shooting in a way that no one did before (because it makes no sense to do so).
3 months ago
Anonymous
>He could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter
lmao, absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Reread the post, moron. Slowly.
They. Use. Makeup. And. Costumes.
They. Do. NOT. Just. Shoot. Nature. Randomly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
cool, but you can't replicate infrared with filters and makeup
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, you can.
They literally use makeup to replicate how the Harkonnens look in infrared with regular lighting in all other scenes they're in. And OP's pic is literally 100% computer generated. Apparently it's made to look like it was recorded in infrared, despite being completely artificial, which according to you should not be possible. It also looks suspiciously similar to a regular black-and-white-photo like
For comparison
or
. Or were those shot in infrared as well?
Could it be that you simply have no idea what you're talking about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
i'm not talking about OP's pic which is clearly CGI and not infrared, if anything it proves my point
3 months ago
Anonymous
>which is clearly CGI and not infrared
It's clearly supposed to be the exact same environment as your beloved infrared scenes. How is it "clearly not infrared" then? Does your "black sun" only exist for shots that aren't CG? What about the many shots that are only partically CG? Are those infrared or not? Or are they partially infrared and partially artificial?
So many questions ...
3 months ago
Anonymous
No point in discussing if you can't even see the difference between b&w, faked infrared and infrared. have a nice day
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the difference between b&w, faked infrared and infrared
Kek. You still sound like a petulant child who doesn't understand how light works.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They literally use makeup to replicate how the Harkonnens look in infrared with regular lighting in all other scenes they're in.
The Harkonnens look markedly different in the gladiatorial scene. Everyone looks different in that scene.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The Harkonnens look markedly different in the gladiatorial scene.
Keep pretending.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the guy you've been sperging at. They do look markedly different.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They do look markedly different.
No, they do not, other than one having a modicum of colour and the other not.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you genuinely believe this and aren't just being a stubborn moron, you just might not get the uncanny valley feeling from IR cameras. Most people can feel a difference even if they aren't able to understand or explain what they're seeing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Most people can feel a difference
Ah, yes, good old esotheric pseudo-science. Placebo is one hell of a non-drug.
3 months ago
Anonymous
look at the eyes. in IR, the sclera goes dark. you don't get that in any other B/W filter
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't get that in any other B/W filter
No, you get that with either contacts or with special effects.
3 months ago
Anonymous
he might have an eyesight problem, bro. Don't be ableist
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wow! Two different greyscale pics!
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not actually the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What Dunning and Kruger found was that every test group, without exception, would overvalue their own performance/accuracy/competence. That's true for complete idiots as well as those you label as "cultured" or "experts". Your graphic is wrong, and your misunderstanding of the phenomenon in question is the best demonstration of it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>quickly throw together an image with as little effort as possible to laugh at someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about because he knows a couple of things >he goes all "well ackshually" autist mode over it
3 months ago
Anonymous
>quickly throw together an image
Glad to see that you approach online discussions with about the same care as Dennis Villeneuve approaches filmmaking.
Either way, I hope you have learnt something and won't go around spreading wrong ideas about academic concepts in the future.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Glad to see that you approach online discussions with about the same care as Dennis Villeneuve approaches filmmaking.
Someone else has already attempted to explain to you how you're wrong, but you wouldn't listen. Of course I'm not going to waste the effort.
3 months ago
Anonymous
says the "muh dunning Kruger effect means us cultured people don't overstimate ourselves" guy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick, would they? And they couldn't pretend that he was oh such a creative genius for shooting in a way that no one did before (because it makes no sense to do so).
accurate
3 months ago
Anonymous
>could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter. But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick,
Good post.
J. Ellul states this in the Technological Society, that we are all obssesed with Technology ; it has become the dominant aesthetic.
I wanted some wierdness creativity in these movies, this is one cool idea, same with those wierd fireworks, I love it.
Also there's alot of things in sci-fi movies that dont work like in real life.
>I wanted some wierdness creativity in these movies
Not sure what to tell you, other than to watch more films. Good ones, not Hollywood blockbusters. That's where you get actual creativity and innovative, sometimes weird, ideas.
This is from Dunc 2? I really thought it was some AI generated sci fi pic. Looks pretty cool design-wise but I couldn't stand the first movie at all, it was garbage.
>AI generated
AI wouldn't copypaste the exact same ship/vehicle thingy over and over in a straight line. The technology hasn't reached that level of hackery yet.
I hate the pretencious fart sniffer "cinemaphiles" so much bros when they act so much better then everyone else with their wine sipping takes about "le cinematic still images"
Denis really fricked the aesthetics of this movie. What the frick is he even going for? Did everyone become severely colorblind in the future? Is color considered obscene? What were the visual descriptions Herbert used in the books?
>Did everyone become severely colorblind in the future? Is color considered obscene?
His excuse for that planet in particular is some "black sun" that magically turns everything grey.
No joke.
Also, his fanboys defend this.
>no spacing guild >no choam
Considering how integral they are to how the Dune universe functions, I'm surprised they didn't even get a passing mention.
>I'm surprised they didn't even get a passing mention.
Pay more attention when you watch movies: >For the Imperium, spice is used by the navigators of the Spacing Guild to find safe paths between the stars. Without spice, interstellar travel is impossible, making it by far the most valuable substance in the universe.
To be fair, that line is pretty forgettable. It sounds like someone reading a wikipedia article, in a monotonous, almost robotic (if we didn't know better) voice. It's an information most audience members will simply ignore, presented like that.
You do realize that single lines you hear once in the background don't stick, right?
Have you ever read Shakespeare? Or any well-written dramatic play? Important points tend to get reiterated by multiple characters there, because good authors are aware that audience aren't quick to pick up on stuff.
You picked up on that line because you were already familiar with the lore, and recognized it: "Hey, that's where the exposition happens!". Somone who hasn't read the books will just go: "Huh? What was that?"
>You picked up on that line because you were already familiar with the lore
I wasn't, though. I had never read the books or seen the 1984 movie and the only thing I knew about Dune was that it had sandworms people reference in other sci-fi and fantasy. I still remembered that line because it was establishing the world so I paid attention because I knew I would need that information to understand what's going on in the movie. I don't understand how someone could go into a sci-fi or fantasy movie and think, "Yeah, I probably don't need to remember any of this establishing information, no need to pay attention until there's action on-screen."
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are you an autist? Serious question. Because that's not how "regular people" watch things.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>regular people don't pay attention or remember anything said in the movie
It's not like I was writing down notes or something, I just retained some clearly stated establishing information.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You were looking out for plot details, as if there was a mystery to solve. I know that avid readers of mystery novels (think Agatha Christie) tend to develop such pattern analysis habits and start to then apply them to other stories they read or watch.
Apparently something similar was also observed in watchers of mystery seriels, most blatantly for LOST in the early-to-mid 2000s. Do you have a history with any of that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I just have a history with sci-fi and fantasy stories like Lord of the Rings where it's important to understand the underlying lore. Do "regular people" watch the LOTR movies and get to The Two Towers and go, "Who the frick is this weird pale frog guy?!" when Gollum shows up because the events of The Hobbit haven't been recapped in the last 5 minutes?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Do "regular people" watch the LOTR movies and get to The Two Towers and go, "Who the frick is this weird pale frog guy?!" when Gollum shows up because the events of The Hobbit haven't been recapped in the last 5 minutes?
No, but Gollum isn't just mentioned once before as a side-note, if I recall correctly, is he?
Of course, if Two Towers itself is the first exposure to any part of the story, then, yeah, they might not know who Gollum is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's been a long time since I've seen the movies, but my memory is that Gollum is mentioned in the opening of FOTR, again during a short conversation between Gandalf and Frodo in the Mines of Moria, and then not mentioned again until he shows up in TTT. The movie expects you to remember him, and my point is that people do.
>5 seconds in 2 movies
Wow
The post I responded to said they "didn't even get a passing mention," and they got more than that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he movie expects you to remember him
Yes, after repeatedly mentioning him. Not after mentioning him once in a background monologue.
That's the difference. Like I said: Mentioning something over and over WILL make audiences notice.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a background monologue any more than the prologue in FOTR is a background monologue. It's the only audio in the scene and it has accompanying visuals to help you connect what's being said to what it refers to. I didn't fully understand how the FTL travel worked, so I wasn't sure if the big tube ship was a carrier or if it was a gateway, but it was enough for me to understand that the Spacing Guild controlled the tube ships which enabled FTL travel via spice-huffing navigators and people probably paid them or otherwise made arrangements with them as a neutral entity to get from planet to planet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said before, you do seem to pay a lot more attention than general audiences do.
Playwriting (and I assume screenplay writing as well) traditionally teaches to repeat important parts of the exposition. That's just how it is.
Do you also get upset that every character isn't explicitly reintroduced? A sequel builds on what came before, they don't have to restate what's already been said.
DUNC2 isn't out yet properly. You'd have to look for the camrip. And that one's not on Youtube.
The Star Wars Episode 2 ending is most definitely on youtube.
The scene from DUNC1 is probably on youtube as well, unless they're systematically taking it down.
Neat to see the artists at lucasfilm/ilm included some variation in the troop formations thats way more naturalistic than Dunc which looks AI generated.
I hope the home theater release doesn't have those stupid censor bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
If I'm paying for the movie then I want it to play on my whole TV.
Damn, the contrarian cycle is becoming faster and faster. Previously it took at least a couple of months for people here to start thinking popular thing bad.
wtf is this discussion right now and why are you even remotely wondering if the guy is autistic. I remember as well the mention of spice as something that enable them to do proper space travel and the narration says that because of that its the most valuable resource. I clearly remember having a "oh shit okay" mental reaction to that fact, how could you NOT remember this detail?
>l the mention of spice as something that enable them to do proper space travel
Okay. Do you also remember what spice is, exactly, and how it enables space travel. Do you know what a navigator is?
>Do you know what a navigator is?
Not specifically but I understand that they need this to not frick themselves over when trying to space travel. Based on what I've seen in the movie and from Paul, I guess that it also makes them realize if they'd die or frick up depending on maneuver via some visions? I'm guessing here with the info observed. >Do you also remember what spice is, exactly
A psychotropic that is naturally 'found' on Arrakis.
This and the nukes took me out of the movie. 10,000 years from now everything is the same? I really don’t need Nazi germany and magic israelite science weapons in every piece of “entertainment”.
>10,000 years from now
It's actually 20,000 years from now. 10,000 years from now AI revolts against humanity and they restart the calendar, then Dune happens 10,000 years after that.
>his and the nukes took me out of the movie. 10,000 years from now everything is the same?
Yes.
That is a major theme that gets addressed later. >humanity is stagnating.
>OMG IS THAT A GENERIC SCIENCE FICTION STILL???
Well the first one was essentially a music video so at least this fricker touches a film-adjacent genre. Still won't be seeing it, though. First one really helped thin out my YouTube subs when everyone was praising the shit acting because Denis made it.
Denis would be a shit-hot director of photography but he cannot direct humans for shit. Like Nolan.
>Denis would be a shit-hot director of photography
He literally knows nothing about photography. He always depends 100% on his cinematographers. And other than Deakin's work, none of his films ever stood out as particularly competently filmed.
>Is that a fact? I'd read different.
It is a fact that his films do all look wildly different. Villeneuve's one common influence seems his extreme minimalism in set design and costuming. Emptyness of scenes is his (aesthetically questionable) core trait. But if you compare, say Deakin's setups in Blade Runner to Fraser's in DUNC, that's a world of a difference. The image composition alone. Deakins loves that old trick where you position the main focus of a shot off to one side (somewhere between one third of the screen and the golden ratio) - Fraser almost always puts it dead center. Deakins loves his contrast lighting (often with complementary coloured lights) - Fraser uses flat soft lighting for almost everything. Deakins also has far more variety of shots, where Fraser just uses his limited toolbox of wide totals and narrow closeups.
I really doubt that Villeneuve gets involved into any of those details like some other directors do. Let alone take the camera and actually shoot something himself (which admittedly is rarer, but does happen for some directors).
Agreed. Frasiers over use of shallow focus seems like a crutch in not knowing how to make a shot interesting. His compositions look like choices a photography student with their first dslr would make. And I hate the soft led panel lighting. Everything comes out looking like a cg render or AI generated.
>How the FRICK do normalgays delude themselves into thinking this looks good?
They don't delude themselves. They let their favourite youtubers and bloggers do the deluding for them. And those youtubers and bloggers couldn't tell a difference either. They just jump on the hype bandwagon.
this shit looked like atack of the clones tbh
i was going to say phantom menace
more "star wars" then star wars
It will age much worse than the SW prequels. At least their CGI was state-of-the-art back then.
DUNC already looks like a PS3 game.
i'm so baffled people actually liked the black and white planet, for me this shot
is easily the worst of the movie, it literally looks like a prequels shot
That shit is like a five seconds longs. The parts people actually like is the arena stuff and night scenes.
>The parts people actually like is the arena stuff and night scenes.
Those also look like shit.
FEYD RAUTHA
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNN FOOOOOOOONN FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONN
>it literally looks like a prequels shot
At least those had colour. And looked way less uniform. This is just copypasting the exact same 3D model over and over and putting all the copies in a straight line.
Do you just go into every thread about Dune and say this even though it's objectively false? The CGI in the prequels was always dogshit.
>The CGI in the prequels was always dogshit.
It was the best you could have at the time, peabrain. I get that you weren't alive back then, but maybe you shouldn't go around spouting bullshit then?
As someone who was comprised of more than a single cell back then, all I can say is “Frick off, Zoomie”. The CG in the Star Wars prequels was always cartoon trash, and even at the time was getting mogged by stuff like Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean.
>The CG in the Star Wars prequels was always cartoon trash
Imagine saying this and then calling others "zoomie".
>stuff like Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean.
Kek. Those didn't age any better.
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Frick I forgot I need to see this film at the cinema
I'm too fricking lazy
It's fricking amazing on the big screen. Highly recommend it.
IMAX?
It was better in Dolby tbh
I watched it in Onyx because it promised true black for the Harkonnen sequence. Also because it's not a projection the definition was incredible. Fuzzy projections have been ruining the experience for me lately. Ceirtainly messed with The Creator and Poor Things.
From what I've read you get more out of better sound than IMAX size. But I'd say if you have access to an Onyx theatre it's definitely worth it.
>Fuzzy projections have been ruining the experience for me lately.
sounds like an issue with the lamps. They need to change the projector bulbs more often.
I'm also a lazy homosexual, but seeing this on the big screen was a lot of fun
I’m seeing it for a third time tomorrow, gonna try Dolby this time.
>for a third time tomorrow
Morons like this one are why serious cinema is dying.
Serious cinema like Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Nice strawman, DUNCtard.
Yes unironically
sorry i'm not a 23 year old mexican who thinks he's a rebel for liking a bad star wars movie
You have shit taste
sorry but most people don't take marvel as serous cinema
DUNC and Marvel are for the same audience
if you aren't seeing it in the cinema it's not worth watching at all
much like the first dune, it's a spectacle of special effects and god tier sound design, the actual directing and script are 1/10
What kino?
dunc deux
Oh hebertshit, no thanks
It's more Villeneuve than Herbert
>It's more Villeneuve than Herbert
More Villeneuve, yes. But there's a good amount of Herbert in there ... Brian Herbert:
https://www.wired.com/story/dune-brian-herbert-q-and-a/
>Brian Herbert is also, yes, involved with the upcoming Dune film from director Denis Villeneuve. He’s been advising on the script and believes it will be the definitive adaptation of his father’s book.
>Villememe + Wrong Herbert
So the worst of both worlds?
It shows
I wish Herbert was as autistic about the militaries in his series as he was about the environment of Dune, because if you have intergalactic houses with vast wealth and their their own fleets why are all of their troops just "helicopters" and footsoldiers? The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled? I thought the Sardaukar were meant to be elite, the Harkonnen grunts did a better job at fighting.
Dune isn't about war, in fact there was a time skip when most of fighting took place.
However this doesen't excuse Denis and his CGI "team"
>Time skip
Where? Jessica is pregnant in both films, so both films have to be less than 9 months.
>Dune isn't about war
entire premise is about a global jihad.
NTA, but the premise/setting is not the same thing as what something is about. Dune (the books at least) are very much about human beings, about cultures and belief systems, about morality, about freedom, about love even. Not ever about war.
I think the limits on tech after the Bluterian Jihad + insane especialization led to stagnation, not only in the technology but also in wars, the galaxy seems very stable so the real deal is assassination. We have little in matters of weapons but a shit ton in poisons and assassination devices. Even Sardaukar would carry concealed darts, garrotes and knifes for this purpose.
didn't they have a false toe that was a blade?
Something like that, I think it was a fake finger.
This look cooler than the actual movie
It's also accurate to the books.
>because if you have intergalactic houses with vast wealth and their their own fleets
They don't have their own fleets. Interstellar travel is monopolized by the Spacing Guild.
>why are all of their troops just "helicopters" and footsoldiers?
Because we're watching the war on Dune, where vibrations attract sandworms and there's only one real non-Fremen settlement.
>The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled?
They weren't expecting any of that to be possible. The Fremen don't have atomic weapons and the spot they were at was supposed to be protected from the worms.
>I thought the Sardaukar were meant to be elite
They are, but they're trained at using shields, which slows your attacks. The Fremen don't use shields because they both attract the worms and drive them into a frenzy.
>the Harkonnen grunts did a better job at fighting.
They have experience with the Fremen.
Thanks for actually reading the books and explaining it to these Star Wars man children.
Dune is set in a future where non-computer technology is near infinite, and the rock paper scissors effect of shields and lasers creating unpredictable nuclear explosions means that swords are effective weapons for soldiers.
The Sardaukar are elite troops because like the Fremen they have been brutally raised on a prison planet, to serve the emperor. Nobody is allowed to go to Salusa Secundus for the reason because the Emperor does not want his secret sauce exposed.
Herbert did a great job showing just how elite the Sardaukar are. My favorite scene is when the Sardaukar Bashir (colonel) barges in the Baron Harkonens room on Arrakis and all but b***h slaps him into submission.
In the books the Sardaukar fight bravely and lose at the end because of the storm, sandworms and superior fighting of the Fremen. Herbert makes it abundantly clear that the Fremen live in even crueler conditions to the Sardaukar hence their victory.
I thought the movie was 11/10 kino through and through. My only quip is Christopher walken was miscast.
In the books, the Fremen continuously acknowledge and show a level of respect for Sardaukar fighting prowess.
This is true. They also totally romp the Sardaukar at every opportunity.
The point I am making is that the Sardaukeqr equally romp the Harkonnens and other houses. The whole dynamic between the Count Fenring and Baron scene in the book is the Count testing the baron of his knowledge as to how the Sardaukar are so formidable.
Pic related.
I dont agree the Emperor should have been a feeble old man. The books he sure wasnt or in Dune 1984. I loved the part where he dressed down the Baron at the end verbally.
It didnt ruin the movie or anything, I just cant see Christopher Walken as anything else but Christopher Walken at this point. The way he says "Baron!" In the throne room just puts me back into the True Romance trailer scene.
Meant to reply to this.
>My only quip is Christopher walken was miscast.
Quibble you mean?
I think he was fine, and there's not many out there who could play the role better. Maybe Jon Voight?
>Herbert makes it abundantly clear that the Fremen live in even crueler conditions to the Sardaukar hence their victory
Isn't this idea a complete load of shit in real life 99.99% of the time outside of extreme exceptions like the Mongols that one time
It's only a complete load of shit because the tough shitholers who're capable of fighting well tend to be hard headed morons who don't take well to rigorous training. They usually excel when they don't reject the training.
They all had their own fleets. The guild just ferried the fleets. The rest of that shit is head canon.
>The Emperor of all mankind lands his men in one area then gets insta-nuked and steamrolled?
the fact that his mega ultra ship didn't immediately intercept 3 giant rockets flying in a straight line is a fricking hack writing
did you not realize dune is hack writing starting from the premise where one half of the planet is supposedly inaccessible despite this being a sci-fi era where people can use ships to do almost anything?
dune is fun if you don't think about it too hard, it's a very, very stupid story at its core with a totally unbelievable setting
this is why no sort of genius can ever make a movie that feels "authentic" because there's no way to make dune feel that way, it's moronic at its core
Heinleins probably more your speed
Heinlein?
Frick that shit!
Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Spacing Guild rates for troop transport is so astronomically high that military technology has regressed in a lot of ways. Even the richest houses in the imperium can't reasonably project force any more significant than a few hundred thousand troops and some light air support
Pure kino
There are so many copy paste boring pajeet visuals in these movies:-(
Looks AI-generated.
Beat me to it.
Not to sure how to explain it but it looks like they 1:1 rendered some digital concept art onto the screen. When usually youd take concept art like that and try to make it look more natural and varied in a movie. It looks "video gamey" in the worst way possible, like they spammed a bunch of units then hit the formation buttons in Total War.
Even in real life military formations like this you can see a lot of variety. Some of the formations are slightly off, there's people not in formation, there's a a variety of landscape and architecture around them, etc. I get the excuse that "it's a desert" even though not all of these scenes are on Arrakis, but then maybe they should have had less scenes like this that make it look so artificial. But I guess midwits can jerk off over these big vista wideshots and talk about le cinemotagraphy of a scene that is 90% digital.
the most tasteless homosexual i know is a massive duncgay now and is telling me how it's a masterpiece and how everyone who disagrees with it is a brainlet
this is the same person who thought disney shows were good and enjoys all the crap under the sun
i think DUNC is fine, certainly serviceable, but the amount of midwit anti-cinema homosexuals pretending it's god's gift to mankind have completely turned me against it
>he most tasteless homosexual i know is a massive duncgay now and is telling me how it's a masterpiece and how everyone who disagrees with it is a brainlet
>this is the same person who thought disney shows were good and enjoys all the crap under the sun
I would have said we know the same person if it wasn't about dunc, but about terminator sequels (yeah, all of them)
there is a certain type of consoomer that exists now for whom the movies they watch are almost irrelevant, and the gay i'm talking about is a prime example
he doesn't watch the movies because he genuinely enjoys the experience, that's just his starting point from which he can then go and imbibe hundreds of hours of youtube slop about muh lore and muh characters
i don't really know when this trend started, i first noticed it around game of thrones when there were suddenly dozens of 1h+ videos popping up where people were going into the minutiae of the lore
but then it started happening with everything
like this homosexual i am speaking of hasn't read the books and never will but he has no problem just sitting there at his workplace or at home listening to youtube slop explaining to him how "deep" it all is
it's honestly so repugnant and disgusting
Yeah, I agree. It's everywhere and I don't know how we got here.
These morons don't even watch movies, not the stuff that's on screen. The movie they see in their mind is a salad of their headcanon, interned discussion, hype. youtube essays and you can't really discuss movies with them since they literally haven't seen the same movie as you
i would not be surprised if college-indoctrinated whites made every aspect of that. if it were indian, it'd atleast have color.
Do the bleedful and cut yourself, sirs.
yeah feels soulless.
where's the irregularity?
>passé Leni Riefenstahl cinematography tricks but with heckin sci-fi CGI
pathetic
Leni Riefenstahl invented composition sieg heil
You just know they take the fact that it's military-based and all that to make everything symmetrical and stiff as possible without anyone making a fuzz, but that shit is boring as hell.
Even the most organized group of people will have like a general walking around the troops or some signaling guy for the ships. There is no variation for the architecture at all. Seriously, what the frick were they thinking?
Holy autism, this movie is really bringing out the pedantry in people
it's not pedantic, it's obviously a copy-paste-in-photoshop feel to everything
>There is no variation for the architecture at all.
Yes there is. Arrakeen is very different from what we see on Caledan and the Fremen sietches are very different from Arrakeen and Geidi Prime is different from everything else. Selusa Secondus is perhaps somewhat reminicient of Arrakeen but the main difference betwen that it's raining so the concrete/stone looks different.
I didn't make myself clear, I was looking at that picture specifically, not saying all the planets are alike. Within each set there is not much variation, doesn't seem like the place is alive. It's one ship, then another, then another, one column, then another, then another. One crowd, then another... and so on.
It could be said the star wars prequels did future cities and ships better. Obviously a royal family has a military with lots of uniformity, but the adjacent people have other things.
Every congressman doesn't drive the same car
>Every congressman doesn't drive the same car
Congressman doesn't literally own multiple planets.
Oh and even in congress almost all men wear identical suits. At best the variation is on what shade of gray or blue it is. Maybe they wear a tie that isn't just a solid red and blue and perhaps its something a bit different than just a simple pattern. One time Obama made national headlines because he wore a tan suit. People conform even if you don't put a gun to their heads.
Agreed.
>some in-universe excuse for boring cgi sets
It was my initial point that this is used as a cheap justification. Alright, it shouldn't look like Blade Runner like carnival, but there is no reason to have row after row with no variation whatsoever, nothing is that symmetric, it simply makes it look not functional, not real and not relatable.
For comparison, imagine if the Fremen suits were pure black spandex with no texture or variation. You could say "well, but you see, they are in a desert, not a fashion show", etc, etc. Boring as frick.
How much detail are you even seeing in what people are wearing in this picture thought? Besides are you even aware of that the sunlight on the planet is completely different from Earth's? They show a pair of Bene Gesseret's wear black indoors and when they walk outside the light changes their clothing to chalk white. Its not that people arne't wearing anything that has color, even if they did you wouldn't see any color.
>It could be said the star wars prequels did future cities and ships better.
Lol.
This fricking place
Well, they did.
go back to tiktok you mobile homosexual
Yeah its almost like its run but some kind of supreme overlord that has the power to make everyone dress and design everything according to their sensibilities.
anyone else think of the Sla- i mean Boba Fett's Starship when they saw this thing?
Black person Catcher One? Yeah I definitely see the inspiration
Did they show Kaitain in either movie?
We can presume the boring garden/concrete blocks the Emperor is in for half his screen time in Kaitain. There is no obulance or anything to the Imperial Court. The Emperor's throne room in his golden tent looks about the same as the interior of the Arrakeen governor palace.
Thanks. I've always liked Kaitain even though it's barely seen. Aside from political assassinations it seemed like a nice place to live: beautiful buildings, pleasant climate, tons of museums, etc.
yes, they cut to it a bit in Part Two. I would say there are like 5 collective total minutes of the Emperor and Irulan on Kaitain.
Show me what you got!
heh
thank god Hollywood will never touch 40k, seeing how badly they butchered this sci-fi series. i'll stick to my warhammer novels which are leagues above anything this sick and diseased industry will ever be able to produce.
They will touch anything that produces money and attract little kids.
40k books are all woke trash, please prove me wrong.
part 2 harkonen harvester looked great tho
Agreed
The harvester scenes were excellent, however they were narratively kind of pointless and stole a lot of run time from the climax.
Showing the Fremen with super powerful lasers made the raids look pointless.
>Showing the Fremen with super powerful lasers made the raids look pointless.
How so?
they had to take out everything with shields, which where the air-vehicles. because if they dont ,they are toast.
only then could they use the laser-cutters to outright destroy the spice collectors.
harkonen ships look like babies
>That's right, butthole, go back to Geidi Prime!
I think they should've had a layer of limestone on the exterior of this. Would've made it look more like the egyptian pyramids in their original form while also providing cooling by reflection. The limestone also being made geologically from process involving the ocean would've been neat as well. Perhaps they'll change the look of it in Messiah.
>You know that Fat wienersuckin Baron says I look like the PadiShah Emperor?
>Cousin Leto!
>told you we should have brought the stillsuits
>and I should have fricked Lady Jessica but I didn't
For comparison
>not posting best Korea's kino parades
My grandfather wore out the barrel of two 50 caliber machine guns mowing these chinks down, kek
Those are asiatics.
yet he lost, how curious.
>bug ignores that he still doesn't own S. Korea and lost more land before the war
hmmm, hmmm very curious
Is it bad that I’ve always wanted to witness a military parade in a totalitarian country?
kino
Damn, those CGI crowds look good for 1945.
It was meant to emulate Triumph of the Will
Related Kino
the scene where they're leaving the planet and you realize all the ships have to leave in order of importance coz the most danger is to the ships that leave last
one of the finest sci-fi scenes and mostly ignored coz "muh nazis shouldn't be cool!"
what do they eat, unironically,
Stuff and things.
Which stuff and what things?
Things Dag.
mald homie
Is this from Chronicles of Riddick?
Don't be riddickulus, its dunc.
Why is it in black and white?
you need to watch the movie. Out now in IMAX check your local listings.
the classic dunc shot of an overexposed cgi background and a pitch black silhouette in the foreground
Is this worth seeing in IMAX? Has anyone seen both Digital and IMAX and can see a difference?
I saw it in IMAX and am really really happy about it. Felt like I saw a piece of history.
I have to say that the black sun turning everything black and white was a pretty kino idea.
It was a braindead idea. Suns don't work like that. Light does not work like that.
What a stupid thing to complain about.
What? You think "muh black sun makes stuff grey" is gonna fly with anyone who isn't a complete uneducated moron?
It's just another poor excuse of Villeneuve's for not having to use colour and instead making everything look drab and uninteresting. The last one being "deserts aren't supposed to look colourful", which was also contrafactual.
No one is impressed by your feeble intellect just because you insert it into conversations where it doesn't belong. It was a stylistic choice and complaining that it's not "scientifically accurate" is pure midwittery.
By the way, understated visuals are not automatically bad just because they aren't awash with eye-gouging neon. You just can't into nuance.
If the science doesn't matter and it's purely stylistic, then why bring up "muh black sun" in the first place? Surely you could just have shot it in black and white and not go into pseudo-science explanations that make no sense, right? When Steven Spielberg pivoted to black and white after half a scene when shooting Schindler's List, he didn't try to explain his (actual) stylistic choice away with black suns, did he?
"black sun" sounds nice and has historical connotations to fascism. Also an infrared emitting sun would in fact be black
>an infrared emitting sun would in fact be black
If you want to see an infrared emitting sun, look up to the sky. Too bad that light usually comes in a whole spectrum of waves when you don't filter it. But let me guess: This "black sun" has some infrared-filter-bubble around it or something?
But, hey, let's roll with it. You know what the planet would look like if only infrared light got there? It wouldn't look at all, since you cannot see infrared light. All the scenes would be pitch black. An infrared camera is not the same as being in an infrared-lit scene.
it's not just "black and white". the scene was shot with infrared cameras.
Maybe you should watch the movie
>. the scene was shot with infrared cameras.
Which results in a greyscale picture, yes, moron.
Why are Villeneuve fanboys literally this ignorant?
yes, but it assigns values in a very different way than just turning footage black and white. It looks like a spirit world. you must be baiting or moronic at this point
>it assigns values in a very different way
Half of the elements in those scenes are computer generated in the first place. The rest is costuming and makeup. You know that, to receive naturalistic images in old (analogue) black and white films, costumes had to be way higher contrast and makeup tended to be white rather than reddish? Filmmakers took those things into consideration to get the result they want. So if you're dead-set on filming with infrared cameras, what do you do? You use material and makeup with the right amount of infrared reflection for what shade of grey you want. Not hard to do, just a very high-effort way to receive the same result.
All of DUNC is artificial. Villeneuve didn't go into nature and shot random scenes in infrared, he shot scenes that were setup in a very specific way to produce a very specific result in infrared cameras. He could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter. But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick, would they? And they couldn't pretend that he was oh such a creative genius for shooting in a way that no one did before (because it makes no sense to do so).
>He could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter
lmao, absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Reread the post, moron. Slowly.
They. Use. Makeup. And. Costumes.
They. Do. NOT. Just. Shoot. Nature. Randomly.
cool, but you can't replicate infrared with filters and makeup
Yes, you can.
They literally use makeup to replicate how the Harkonnens look in infrared with regular lighting in all other scenes they're in. And OP's pic is literally 100% computer generated. Apparently it's made to look like it was recorded in infrared, despite being completely artificial, which according to you should not be possible. It also looks suspiciously similar to a regular black-and-white-photo like
or
. Or were those shot in infrared as well?
Could it be that you simply have no idea what you're talking about?
i'm not talking about OP's pic which is clearly CGI and not infrared, if anything it proves my point
>which is clearly CGI and not infrared
It's clearly supposed to be the exact same environment as your beloved infrared scenes. How is it "clearly not infrared" then? Does your "black sun" only exist for shots that aren't CG? What about the many shots that are only partically CG? Are those infrared or not? Or are they partially infrared and partially artificial?
So many questions ...
No point in discussing if you can't even see the difference between b&w, faked infrared and infrared. have a nice day
>the difference between b&w, faked infrared and infrared
Kek. You still sound like a petulant child who doesn't understand how light works.
>They literally use makeup to replicate how the Harkonnens look in infrared with regular lighting in all other scenes they're in.
The Harkonnens look markedly different in the gladiatorial scene. Everyone looks different in that scene.
>The Harkonnens look markedly different in the gladiatorial scene.
Keep pretending.
I'm not the guy you've been sperging at. They do look markedly different.
>They do look markedly different.
No, they do not, other than one having a modicum of colour and the other not.
If you genuinely believe this and aren't just being a stubborn moron, you just might not get the uncanny valley feeling from IR cameras. Most people can feel a difference even if they aren't able to understand or explain what they're seeing.
>Most people can feel a difference
Ah, yes, good old esotheric pseudo-science. Placebo is one hell of a non-drug.
look at the eyes. in IR, the sclera goes dark. you don't get that in any other B/W filter
>you don't get that in any other B/W filter
No, you get that with either contacts or with special effects.
he might have an eyesight problem, bro. Don't be ableist
Wow! Two different greyscale pics!
That's not actually the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What Dunning and Kruger found was that every test group, without exception, would overvalue their own performance/accuracy/competence. That's true for complete idiots as well as those you label as "cultured" or "experts". Your graphic is wrong, and your misunderstanding of the phenomenon in question is the best demonstration of it.
>quickly throw together an image with as little effort as possible to laugh at someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about because he knows a couple of things
>he goes all "well ackshually" autist mode over it
>quickly throw together an image
Glad to see that you approach online discussions with about the same care as Dennis Villeneuve approaches filmmaking.
Either way, I hope you have learnt something and won't go around spreading wrong ideas about academic concepts in the future.
>Glad to see that you approach online discussions with about the same care as Dennis Villeneuve approaches filmmaking.
Someone else has already attempted to explain to you how you're wrong, but you wouldn't listen. Of course I'm not going to waste the effort.
says the "muh dunning Kruger effect means us cultured people don't overstimate ourselves" guy.
>But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick, would they? And they couldn't pretend that he was oh such a creative genius for shooting in a way that no one did before (because it makes no sense to do so).
accurate
>could have had the same result with much less effort, had he shot with normal cameras and applied a filter. But then his stupid fanboys, like yourself, wouldn't get to praise this stupid needless gimmick,
Good post.
J. Ellul states this in the Technological Society, that we are all obssesed with Technology ; it has become the dominant aesthetic.
I wanted some wierdness creativity in these movies, this is one cool idea, same with those wierd fireworks, I love it.
Also there's alot of things in sci-fi movies that dont work like in real life.
>I wanted some wierdness creativity in these movies
Not sure what to tell you, other than to watch more films. Good ones, not Hollywood blockbusters. That's where you get actual creativity and innovative, sometimes weird, ideas.
video game cutscenes in the 90s looked better than this shit
>ITT: Seething Lynchcucks
did Paul genocide the Harkonnens after becoming emperor?
This looks cold and sterile. Where's the dirt, where's the grittty?
>Where's the dirt, where's the grittty?
Can't render those with a playstation in real time, anon.
>OMG IS THAT A POPULAR THING??? I MUST HATE IT! HAHA SUCK IT TROONS HAHAHAHAH!!, 444
>NEW THING??? MUST DEFEND IT EVEN IF IT'S BAD!!! AHAHAHAHAH
>A POPULAR THING
Not all that popular. Kung Fu Panda 4 has just beaten it at the box office for the second week in a row.
Why do SWgays desperately want Dunc to fail?
tortanic is a disease that infected this entire site
Thats not generic.
.co.il
Dune battle for Arrakis. Devastator was my favorite unit he can nuke itself.
That's not dune 2
Correct. It's DUNC 2.
This is from Dunc 2? I really thought it was some AI generated sci fi pic. Looks pretty cool design-wise but I couldn't stand the first movie at all, it was garbage.
>AI generated
AI wouldn't copypaste the exact same ship/vehicle thingy over and over in a straight line. The technology hasn't reached that level of hackery yet.
So were they intentionally trying for the 90s FMV look?
Its like the nazis bro!
This looks a lot more interesting than the ugly Dunc 1
I hate the pretencious fart sniffer "cinemaphiles" so much bros when they act so much better then everyone else with their wine sipping takes about "le cinematic still images"
>cinemaphiles
The term is "cinephile".
And DUNC really just looks like shit. You do not have to consider yourself a cinephile to see this.
Denis really fricked the aesthetics of this movie. What the frick is he even going for? Did everyone become severely colorblind in the future? Is color considered obscene? What were the visual descriptions Herbert used in the books?
>Did everyone become severely colorblind in the future? Is color considered obscene?
His excuse for that planet in particular is some "black sun" that magically turns everything grey.
No joke.
Also, his fanboys defend this.
Anyone want to go see DUNC 2 with me?
>ctrl+c the entire vertical region
>ctrl+v five times
bravo nolan
>no spacing guild
>no choam
Considering how integral they are to how the Dune universe functions, I'm surprised they didn't even get a passing mention.
>I'm surprised they didn't even get a passing mention.
Pay more attention when you watch movies:
>For the Imperium, spice is used by the navigators of the Spacing Guild to find safe paths between the stars. Without spice, interstellar travel is impossible, making it by far the most valuable substance in the universe.
To be fair, that line is pretty forgettable. It sounds like someone reading a wikipedia article, in a monotonous, almost robotic (if we didn't know better) voice. It's an information most audience members will simply ignore, presented like that.
I'm sorry for your severe ADHD.
You do realize that single lines you hear once in the background don't stick, right?
Have you ever read Shakespeare? Or any well-written dramatic play? Important points tend to get reiterated by multiple characters there, because good authors are aware that audience aren't quick to pick up on stuff.
You picked up on that line because you were already familiar with the lore, and recognized it: "Hey, that's where the exposition happens!". Somone who hasn't read the books will just go: "Huh? What was that?"
>You picked up on that line because you were already familiar with the lore
I wasn't, though. I had never read the books or seen the 1984 movie and the only thing I knew about Dune was that it had sandworms people reference in other sci-fi and fantasy. I still remembered that line because it was establishing the world so I paid attention because I knew I would need that information to understand what's going on in the movie. I don't understand how someone could go into a sci-fi or fantasy movie and think, "Yeah, I probably don't need to remember any of this establishing information, no need to pay attention until there's action on-screen."
Are you an autist? Serious question. Because that's not how "regular people" watch things.
>regular people don't pay attention or remember anything said in the movie
It's not like I was writing down notes or something, I just retained some clearly stated establishing information.
You were looking out for plot details, as if there was a mystery to solve. I know that avid readers of mystery novels (think Agatha Christie) tend to develop such pattern analysis habits and start to then apply them to other stories they read or watch.
Apparently something similar was also observed in watchers of mystery seriels, most blatantly for LOST in the early-to-mid 2000s. Do you have a history with any of that?
I just have a history with sci-fi and fantasy stories like Lord of the Rings where it's important to understand the underlying lore. Do "regular people" watch the LOTR movies and get to The Two Towers and go, "Who the frick is this weird pale frog guy?!" when Gollum shows up because the events of The Hobbit haven't been recapped in the last 5 minutes?
>Do "regular people" watch the LOTR movies and get to The Two Towers and go, "Who the frick is this weird pale frog guy?!" when Gollum shows up because the events of The Hobbit haven't been recapped in the last 5 minutes?
No, but Gollum isn't just mentioned once before as a side-note, if I recall correctly, is he?
Of course, if Two Towers itself is the first exposure to any part of the story, then, yeah, they might not know who Gollum is.
It's been a long time since I've seen the movies, but my memory is that Gollum is mentioned in the opening of FOTR, again during a short conversation between Gandalf and Frodo in the Mines of Moria, and then not mentioned again until he shows up in TTT. The movie expects you to remember him, and my point is that people do.
The post I responded to said they "didn't even get a passing mention," and they got more than that.
>he movie expects you to remember him
Yes, after repeatedly mentioning him. Not after mentioning him once in a background monologue.
That's the difference. Like I said: Mentioning something over and over WILL make audiences notice.
It's not a background monologue any more than the prologue in FOTR is a background monologue. It's the only audio in the scene and it has accompanying visuals to help you connect what's being said to what it refers to. I didn't fully understand how the FTL travel worked, so I wasn't sure if the big tube ship was a carrier or if it was a gateway, but it was enough for me to understand that the Spacing Guild controlled the tube ships which enabled FTL travel via spice-huffing navigators and people probably paid them or otherwise made arrangements with them as a neutral entity to get from planet to planet.
Like I said before, you do seem to pay a lot more attention than general audiences do.
Playwriting (and I assume screenplay writing as well) traditionally teaches to repeat important parts of the exposition. That's just how it is.
Not in DUNC2.
Do you also get upset that every character isn't explicitly reintroduced? A sequel builds on what came before, they don't have to restate what's already been said.
>5 seconds in 2 movies
Wow
nope that is a badly cropped and compressed image of a science fiction still
All of these Dune shots are ruined by perfect alignment, and everyone acting as a robot in consequence.
>cgi shit, orange
>cgi shit, grey
Yeah, but let's be fair, one of these CGI shits is over 20 years old. The other just looks that way.
Wouldn't watch either, but I'll give you that
can you find these scenes on youtube?
DUNC2 isn't out yet properly. You'd have to look for the camrip. And that one's not on Youtube.
The Star Wars Episode 2 ending is most definitely on youtube.
The scene from DUNC1 is probably on youtube as well, unless they're systematically taking it down.
Neat to see the artists at lucasfilm/ilm included some variation in the troop formations thats way more naturalistic than Dunc which looks AI generated.
I hope the home theater release doesn't have those stupid censor bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
If I'm paying for the movie then I want it to play on my whole TV.
Damn, the contrarian cycle is becoming faster and faster. Previously it took at least a couple of months for people here to start thinking popular thing bad.
>people here to start thinking popular thing bad
I don't see anyone on this board claiming that Kung Fu Panda 4 is bad, anon.
Wrong board
Sorry. KFP is the most successful film right now. Deal with it.
wtf is this discussion right now and why are you even remotely wondering if the guy is autistic. I remember as well the mention of spice as something that enable them to do proper space travel and the narration says that because of that its the most valuable resource. I clearly remember having a "oh shit okay" mental reaction to that fact, how could you NOT remember this detail?
>l the mention of spice as something that enable them to do proper space travel
Okay. Do you also remember what spice is, exactly, and how it enables space travel. Do you know what a navigator is?
>Do you know what a navigator is?
Not specifically but I understand that they need this to not frick themselves over when trying to space travel. Based on what I've seen in the movie and from Paul, I guess that it also makes them realize if they'd die or frick up depending on maneuver via some visions? I'm guessing here with the info observed.
>Do you also remember what spice is, exactly
A psychotropic that is naturally 'found' on Arrakis.
Not quite accurate, but I give you that it's probably the most you can possibly get out of DUNC, spiced (pun intended) with some speculation.
Looks like a screen capture of a Command and Conquer prerendered cutscene.
>OMG IS THAT A GENERIC OP THAT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING BUT IRONY TO THE BOARD?
>I'M GONNA COOOOOOOM
See, everyone can do it.
This and the nukes took me out of the movie. 10,000 years from now everything is the same? I really don’t need Nazi germany and magic israelite science weapons in every piece of “entertainment”.
>I really don’t need Nazi germany
It's really more of a (bastardized) communist aesthetic than a nazi one. Not that that makes it any better.
Nukes are from the book. It's a 1965 book afterall
>10,000 years from now
It's actually 20,000 years from now. 10,000 years from now AI revolts against humanity and they restart the calendar, then Dune happens 10,000 years after that.
>10,000 years from now AI revolts against humanity
If I look at AI generated shit right now, I find that AI is already quite revolting.
>his and the nukes took me out of the movie. 10,000 years from now everything is the same?
Yes.
That is a major theme that gets addressed later.
>humanity is stagnating.
>OMG IS THAT A GENERIC SCIENCE FICTION STILL???
Well the first one was essentially a music video so at least this fricker touches a film-adjacent genre. Still won't be seeing it, though. First one really helped thin out my YouTube subs when everyone was praising the shit acting because Denis made it.
Denis would be a shit-hot director of photography but he cannot direct humans for shit. Like Nolan.
>Denis would be a shit-hot director of photography
He literally knows nothing about photography. He always depends 100% on his cinematographers. And other than Deakin's work, none of his films ever stood out as particularly competently filmed.
>He always depends 100% on his cinematographers
Is that a fact? I'd read different. Well frick him in general, then. He's a hack.
>Is that a fact? I'd read different.
It is a fact that his films do all look wildly different. Villeneuve's one common influence seems his extreme minimalism in set design and costuming. Emptyness of scenes is his (aesthetically questionable) core trait. But if you compare, say Deakin's setups in Blade Runner to Fraser's in DUNC, that's a world of a difference. The image composition alone. Deakins loves that old trick where you position the main focus of a shot off to one side (somewhere between one third of the screen and the golden ratio) - Fraser almost always puts it dead center. Deakins loves his contrast lighting (often with complementary coloured lights) - Fraser uses flat soft lighting for almost everything. Deakins also has far more variety of shots, where Fraser just uses his limited toolbox of wide totals and narrow closeups.
I really doubt that Villeneuve gets involved into any of those details like some other directors do. Let alone take the camera and actually shoot something himself (which admittedly is rarer, but does happen for some directors).
Agreed. Frasiers over use of shallow focus seems like a crutch in not knowing how to make a shot interesting. His compositions look like choices a photography student with their first dslr would make. And I hate the soft led panel lighting. Everything comes out looking like a cg render or AI generated.
>How the FRICK do normalgays delude themselves into thinking this looks good?
They don't delude themselves. They let their favourite youtubers and bloggers do the deluding for them. And those youtubers and bloggers couldn't tell a difference either. They just jump on the hype bandwagon.