On my fourth rewatch now, and I am finally able to truly detest Tony. He is an absolutely worthless human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
On my fourth rewatch now, and I am finally able to truly detest Tony.
On my fourth rewatch now, and I am finally able to truly detest Tony. He is an absolutely worthless human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
He certainly never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
He was a good guy
He has some good in him, which is what makes him interesting to watch. For example I still think he killed Ralph over Tracee and not the horse. It seems like he has low impulse control and just gives up as the show goes on.
Being a homosexual ass simp simping for child abusers makes you a good person?
Yeah, because Ralphie was an even bigger piece of shit.
Considering he was made by an abusive mother just like Tracee, no he wasn't.
Ralphie was a coke addict, murdering gangster who killed a 20-year-old who was pregnant with his own kid. Not to mention all the other crazy shit he did constantly. She was bad, pretty fricked up what she did to her kid, but he was worse. Chances are Tracee came from abusive parents as well, doesn't excuse her actions either, really.
She was torturing and fricking up one kid and would have done the same to another, thereby creating two Ralphs. Two Ralphs would be worse than one Ralph. It's just math.
Ralph definitely would've contributed to fricking up the kid if he hadn't killed her. He raised his other son only semi-decently probably because he was married and had some semblance of a family life at one point, but with her I doubt it would've been the same story.
First off, she was a hoowah. B, she hit him and that wasn't his kid she was carrying.
why are these mashups so fricking funny?
he was a good earner
how was tracee a child abuser?
they mention a couple time her burning her kid with sigaretes, pretty fricked up
Very allegorical.
he killed Ralph on an impulse because he called him out on his hypocrisy, Tracee and the horse is just how he justifies it to himself
Maybe, but it seemed like a subconscious thing on his part. I thought the same as you and saw that YouTube video about it but I really think he was harboring a lot of resentment over Tracee and the fact he wasn't allowed to kill Ralph over it in the first place.
I believe the death of Tracee had a part in it, he kept saying "She was an innocent creature" when beating Ralphie to death, it could easily be about Tracee.
He also focuses on her photograph in the final scene of the episode at the Bada Bing. I never noticed that until last rewatch.
I think Tony whacking Ralphie is like Janice, he's mad that Ralphie might step out of the crab bucket and he can't.
That's a good point, too. When Janice started showing improvement after taking anger management he baited her hard just to bring her back down to his level. Same with Ralphie seemingly trying to turn over a new leaf.
How was Ralphie climbing out of the crab bucket?
Ralph is the best character in any single scene, but add them all together and he's the most annoying frick out there.
Unless Tony saw Pie as Tracee (which he certainly may have, Ralph neglected Pie and Tracee) I think he really did like Pie.
What about when he smacks the bouncer or bartender or whatever with a chain? He's good in some scenes but definitely not best in all
>Ralph is the best character in any single scene
based humor enjoyer
that was pretty explicit
Right, but I've heard people claim it wasn't anything to do with Tracee or Pie-O-My and was instead purely about his ego. I think Ralph insulting him one too many times was the final straw, but I think he really killed him Ralph lacked the feelings that Tony had and Tony hated him because of it. It's funny though, because he kills him in the same episode where you finally see the other side to Ralph's character, so idk.
Tony uses bullshit emotional arguments to justify his nihilistic rage, there's a precedent for it. Like telling Carmella about the baby seat after he chokes Christopher.
>dude Tony didn’t care about the baby!
But wait a sec, I thought pseud 101 said sociopaths only care about animals and babies?! So now since it favors the argument, he doesn’t care about babies anymore? Interesting..
Sociopaths only care about animals and babies because they can are incapable of doing anything against them.
Jesus, my English sucks today. I'm not even an ESL or anything, just a bit tired.
I've heard they had a lot of catering on the show and encouraged the main cast to put on weight as the show continued, but I haven't been able to confirm that.
Okay, so he did care about junky Chrissy risking the baby’s life, what an evil man! He should have let Chris sit on the baby like he did little Cosette
>ywn cum inside tight adrianas pussy
Chris and Tony's relationship had been deteriorating, especially after the Adriana hit. Tony could sense Chris' loyalty fading, and with all the problems he'd already caused him, he decided it was best to eliminate him. This is also the episode where he does peyote and seems to have a realization.
To add to that, this is the scene where it becomes pretty clear one of them is going to have to go.
idiots love tony, smart people are disgusted by 'em. every single time. dumb friend of mine tried to argue tony's case and it was hilariously stupid
yeah and then you had this whole sequence
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it's great how they turn phrases around like how carmela said to tony "you have been playing the depression card until it is worn to shreds and now you've got our son doing it too" and then tony says to chris "how many times are you gonna' play the adriana card?" obviously they did it with the nursing home lines to no end too
Tony does peyote? The cactus? I don't remember that scene. In any case, how is it? Better than shrooms??
bobby did mushrooms once - stuffed mushrooms, a whole fricking platter
>did you hear what I said Ton’? I said he did mushrooms once - stuffed mushrooms, a whole fricking platter.
Hehehehehe.
he looked way better in s1, was he getting fat on purpose for his role? they said multiple times he was a hard working guy but why would you let yourself go that way when you are literally paid a fricking million dollar per episode
In universe explanation is that Tony does a lot of stress eating, same as Vito.
But Vito noticed and switched to hot water and lemon/bags of carrots while Tony kept eating sushi, steaks and ice cream
yeah there's also this regarding tony and pie-o-my
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The show makes a couple of parallels between Tracee and the horse. Silvio describes her as thoroughbred and having choppers for teeth.
Chompers*
Fug nice
>For example I still think he killed Ralph over Tracee and not the horse.
The "beautiful innocent creature" line is about her.
I don't know. It very well could be, that's why the ambiguity is great. But to counter this, when Tony sees the painting he commissioned of the horse hanging in Paulie's house, he becomes choleric again. Granted, this was more a scene exploring how he views himself as a leader, but it's still can't be discounted that his feelings for the horse were genuine, and not just a proxy for the underlying anger he felt for Tracy's murder.
Not to ruin it for you cause the ambiguity is obviously on purpose but Chase himself said ralph killed the horse and tony was talking about tracee
something about this pic really hits me in the feels
like these strippers were actually human beans
>Strippers
>Human beings
Pick one
>le the horse is tracee reddit brainlet take
the show opens up with tony having a mental breakdown about ducks. It's shown over and over again in the show that tony has an unusual soft spot for animals that contrasts with how ruthless he is with human beings. Tony would absolutely kill someone over a horse without needing any other mental gymnastics.
agreed. a sign of a sociopath
sociopaths usually do have a soft spot for animals. Like Hitler
>Like Hitler
Tony is in no way a sociopath, he constanly cares about people and their opinions of him.
He saw the horse as more human than the girl. That's what makes it so fricked up. If he was going to kill Ralph for Tracey, he would've done it when he killed her. Instead he only snapped when Ralphie took his beloved horse away from him. The mind is a rationalization machine, so of course he could justify the murder to himself afterwards by using the horse as a metaphor for the girl - "he deserved it anyway, frick him. I didn't kill him over a stupid horse, I killed him because of the innocent girl. Heh, I really am a decent guy compared to the rest of these shitheads."
And because the viewer is in Tony's head for most of the show, it's easy for us to absorb his viewpoint uncritically. Only a more careful reading of the subtext reveals the contradiction.
>And because the viewer is in Tony's head for most of the show, it's easy for us to absorb his viewpoint uncritically
this. I hate this "the protagonist is actually the bad guy" discussion. It's natural to identify with the protagonist and be rooting for him.
he mainly did it because he could get away with it. couldn't kill ralphie outside the bing in obvious with of all the other made-men.
*in obvious sight of I mean
Tony did nothing wrong
For me its Paulie
With Paulie its readily apparent he is an absolute scumbag but Tony there are all these hidden moments I had to rewatch to spot
>With Paulie its readily apparent he is an absolute scumbag
Dude, it's readily apparent that every single one of T's "crew" is an absolute scumbag. Though they may go through some seemingly "redeeming" moments, sympathetic even, as time goes on you see them CONSTANTLY regress into their baser impulses just to get what they want with extremely flimsy justification for it all. At a point it becomes fricking comical even.
Really that's the whole genius of this show. It's inadvertently hilarious despite what horrible people they all are. It's like that one Calvin and Hobbes comic about what laughter really is, and that it's just the only response you can make to something so absurd.
More times than I can count, I feel myself feeling sympathy towards Tony, Chrissy, even fricking Paulie. But then they go and just do something so abhorrent and I say "frick, maybe I'm not so much like him as I thought".
Exactly like politicians or soldiers.
I'm 60000% sure he got tony killed.
Paulie and Patsy made a deal with New York, they kill Phil and New York kills Tony. There are a lot of hints in the last episode for this.
my headcanon is that the Members Only guy who walks in is spiritually Eugene, paid off by his family in a revenge hit
I think he represents Eugene in some ways. I think he was probably a zip or some no name from NY. He's kind of Tony's actions catching up with him. I also like how Tony looks past the guy because he enters the diner a second before AJ. If it hadn't been for that, Tony might have noticed him.
I think that too, also that episode Members Only was one of the all time best in the series so it would be the ending tie together better.
Eugene's un-paid out family is a much better answer than Patsy or Paulie
It’s someone related to/avenging Eugene. I think it’s pretty obvious too.
Filtered
Patsy's move to let his son do the work kind of would make the hit a non issue.
He won, his son marrying the bosses daughter would have made him untouchable
little carmine masterminded the whole thing
All of you are wrong. It was Noah.
Do you have that picture of Noah in the dinner at the end?
Paulie suffers the worst fate of them all, alone with no children of his own or friends and being an old man too. Even hell would be preferable than that.
Dumb frick normalgay zoomer.
Anon if you don’t have kids you will literally be miserable forever.
If you think living in comfort till old age is worse than he'll you're a fricking idiot.
This is how I feel about Rust when I rewatch True Detective. Maybe I’ve just spent too much time on Cinemaphile in general, but he just sounds like an edgy angsty teen homosexual who took his first philosophy class, like ok columbine lmaooo smoke another cig and have a wank
You sound edgy with your post-modern apathetic too cool for everything knowitall redditor manner of speaking and thinking.
>I use words I do not understand to tell people that it upsets me when they're smarter than me, everyone should write in a dumb manner.
It had to be said. Does True Detective hold up on the rewatch? I watched the first season once years ago and liked it.
it did for me the last 3 times I did a rewatch. only season one though
Sad you didn't get this first time around. Marty was objectively the best character in the show and all those Pickle Rust plebbitors were the worst
man if you didn't pick up on rust being a major giga homosexual on first go sm h @ u s e n p a i
Rust saw some terrible shit. And he didn't do anything particularly bad himself. The ending will always remind me to pity the dude, no how much he irritates.
>Rust saw some terrible shit.
he lost his 9 year old daughter. there isn't a greater pain than that. all that cartel torture is nothing in front of losing your own child
>he didn't get the ending
Show is basically Lethal Weapon in Louisiana, how the frick did you miss the point so hard
Its prettty obvious that all that shit is a coping mechanism for losing his daughter
god this board is filled with brainlet NPCs
I just call them spics.
>atheism is always the result of personal tragedy
and that's how I knew even season 1 wouldn't be that good
No, that was the end result of his personal tragedy.
it should be obvious for anyone on the first watch where he has sex with Chris' woman in Vegas right after killing him
that he deserved to die instead of the orange juice carton
>has sex with Chris' woman in Vegas right after killing him
Yep, the "I get it" moment is him finally realizing that being a complete sociopath won't bring him any punishment from the universe, so frick it.
She was an escort, though.
yeah but even so he goes there to see her specifically because of Chris, it's his way of cuckolding Chris out of his memory
>NOOO NOT CHRISSY’S WOMAN
Chris was a piece of shit junkie that beat women more than anyone else, yet he was le depress failed screenwriter so pseuds assume he’s the good guy
he was loyle to his capo
Underrated post
anon got the drip on you
that's not what I meant, it makes Tony irredeemable, it doesn't redeem Chris
>it’s irredeemable to fricks some random bawd Chris never cared about
Oh man, killing Big Pussy is okay but don’t sleep with a girl Chrissy banged
big pussy flipped, they had no choice. that's hardly the most egregious kill
>killing his best friend
>not most egregious in this context of discussion
I disagree
Pussy ratted him out first and knew what would happen. You can tell it takes an emotional toll on Tony and Sil especially. For me, the most egregious kill is Bobby's. Guy was a civilian who was going through a pretty standard custody battle by the sounds of it. Just made the mistake of impregnating a mobster's daughter. The only reason Tony ordered Bobby to do that was to punish him for beating him in a fight.
wtf bobby wasn't a civilian or in any custody battle what tf show were you watchin
pussy knows the risks with getting made, he should've done 30-life in the can
It's not about him being a good guy, it's about him being endlessly loyal to Tony, but Tony being too shitty of a leader to realize it and stick by someone who stuck by him through everything. Chrissy was a frick up, but Tony was a frick up in just about every regard too, he just had his head so far up his ass he couldn't see it.
chrissy wasn't endlessly loyal anymore. tony realizes this when he watches Cleaver.
He had some solid forearms
So does NY basically absorb Tony's crew in the end? There's barely anyone left
Yeah, cut the head and take what's left, like Phil said.
Reddit
He will take revenge on those who hurt animals
What's the funniest scene in the series and why is it Chrissy's intervention?
>Chris calls his own mother a fricking prostitute
>Paulie and the others call him a son of a btich and start beating him up
>scene ends
>i saw that movie
Ralph being such a gigantic scumbag that he laughs at Tracey getting beat is so weirdly dark that it somehow crosses over into comedy and makes me laugh every time I watch it
It was a fricking whorse!
did he kill pie o my for the insurance
Yeah, to pay for his son's hospital bills. What's interesting is Joe Pantoliano says he was told to play the scene as if he actually hadn't done it and believed his character was innocent. Unfortunately, Steve Schirripa pressured Chase to answering whether or not Ralph really did it on Talking Sopranos and Chase confirmed he did. I'm guessing he did just to get Steve to stop asking him to answer questions about the show that were purposefully left vague.
>I'm guessing he did just to get Steve to stop asking him to answer questions about the show that were purposefully left vague.
that makes no sense. Caving in and answering questions will only lead to more questions being asked.
>appearing on a podcast to talk about your show
gayit
>somehow crosses over into comedy
that's the entire show
> it somehow crosses over into comedy
that's the entire show
That's how i always looked at it.
people get off on this whole "how can you watch all these unlikeable people?", but to me it's sort of an artistic parody.
you see things you hate and love about yourself and others.
I watched the show only once and I was surprised reviewing scenes because I was mesmerized by the atmosphere, their suits or tracksuits, body languages especially paulie, that I couldnt hear what the frick they were saying
I loved the atmosphere, the image quality, the colors. Early 2000s was something else
Yep. First watch is a really good crime drama. Second watch is a masterpiece in comedy.
I tell people this as well. It really does have some deadpan moments that makes you wonder how they intended the scene to be experienced.
It’s also because Silvio rarely gets mad or aggressive
just ignore the cheese at his feet and you are good to go
He LOVES having cheese at his feet. What's so hard for people to understand?!
It's because it smells like your sisters crotch in the morning
>tfw a depressing drama is coincidentally the funniest show ever
what's Ralphie drinking here?
wrong answers only
kim wexler's period blood
Pine Barrens episode, when Bobby walks into Junior’s kitchen in full-on deer hunter fit and Tony loses his shit laughing
Fun fact: Schirripa was holding a giant dildo off-screen to make Gandolfini laugh.
for me it's AJ's suicide attempt
It's okay baby
Silvio at the poker game
Vito? What the frick?
Jeannie Cusamano's sister calling Meadow "Fielder" is such a dumb joke but it cracks me up every time I hear it
artie's "non stop assrape" rant
>Artie owns a huge fricking restaurant he could sell for millions and retire at almost any time
>Basically untouchable cause his best friend is the Mafiaboss of the state he lives in
>Three kids who are doing great in school
>Hands down the sexiest wife out of anyone in the show who is loyal to him
>Gets to motorboat those breasts everyday
I must be a brainlet cause I never understood why Arti was so jealous of his mobster friends. He literally has everything a man could want in live and an upperclass lifestyle without the fear of getting shot everyday.
>I never understood why Arti was so jealous of his mobster friends
>muh middle class restaurant
He was a loser and a pushover. Material possessions aren't everything a man wants. He was jealous of power and the ability to do anything to anyone. Not the *ability* in the physical sense, but the lack of psychological inhibitions that allows Tony to be what he is and act like he does.
This is telegraphed in the show so blatantly (and is openly stated at one point in the dialogue), that I refuse to believe you "never understood it" and just making a discussion bait post to keep the thread going
>and just making a discussion bait post to keep the thread going
All of his posts are like that
they lived in a tiny house, needed loans, couldn't afford the daughter's braces, they constantly fretted about money... can't imagine the situation was too good financially
isn't the restaraunt business one of the least reliably profitable that exists?
it's like owning an elephant: it costs a fortune and sooner or later it shits on your head
Charmaine was a ball buster and if you think he would be anything but miserable in that situation then you have never actually been married
The guys finding out Vito is a gay makes me kek everytime.
>‘You’re a frickin’ gay?!’
He never went to the psych to be sympathetic he went there to stop his panic attacks which he did. He found the root of his problem and it was the relationship with his mother. The rest of his troubles were so Melfie could get off on them
punished: le mob is BADASS scenes
broke: families are messed UP scenes
fixed: BadaBing ambient scenes
bespoke: Satriales
ascended: the Johnny Sack show
he for sure was insecure as frick, why he beat up the bodybuilding guy just for his image, or threw the painting
his personality was complex and its moslty why the show was so kino
is him being dead the conclusion? as bobby said you "will not hear it when it's done" and the music suddenly stopping
He had to beat up the musclebound guy because when he walked in the room he was barely acknowledged and subconsciously his men saw him as weak after his coma. Also, yeah, he's dead.
when he arrives he already had the idea of beating up someone, this is why he is looking at the arms of everyone, and ask bobby his weight
he complained at melfis about how he feared losing others respect
funny thing, he choses the muscular dude because he was the only one without arm tatoos, kinda strange
I think he just picked him because the youngest and best in shape, and he knew the guy wouldn't be able to fight back.
he was*
he was a hothead. Tony got him out of there. Fact is tony was initiated and he wasnt. real big guy shit.
He absolutely had to do that. It’s fricked up but that part isn’t on Tony, it’s on all of them. People like Paulie really would’ve turned on him if they so much as smelled any hint of vulnerability. He was right to fear for his life and standing there. His compatriots are animals, they would’ve turned on him. It’s not all just in Tony’s head, his head is fricked up because the world he’s a part of is.
muscles marinara had it coming, you fool.
he did nothing wrong besides looking way too good around those fat italians
>he did nothing wrong besides looking way too good around those fat italians
He threw out the painting because he resented being looked at as some cartoon colonial version of a general or leader. The reality of his life is that he has to choose to kill his cousin for the good of his business, that's the kind of leader he is
He's mad that Paulie is immortalizing some perverted image of him
That's a good take on that scene. I thought more that it was it was his deep insecurity and self-loathing (apparent throughout the whole series) "triggering" him, for lack of a better word", seeing himself placed to the same level of actually great leaders who were immortalized in their deeds and character, while he is but a pale imitation of them doing what they do but only in the most brutish and loathsome manners. It's hinted at several times through Tony watching a lot of those old war documentaries, and even feeling feels towards them. He wishes he could be *legitimately* great as them.
He is a leader for sure, but a fricking scumbag type of leader. He wishes he could be a leader of true greatness, and he resents Paulie for putting him on that pedestal which he knows deep down he doesn't deserve.
I agree with this, you said what I was trying to get at essentially
>in the first few seasons he looks like a former professional football player who's just put some weight on after the prime of his life
>near the end of the series he's fully a fat piece of shit
He’s completely nonathletic and a heavyset fatass in his 40s
Tony get ipad
tony was a huge hypocrite
>Tony was a huge hippo
you muddafricka
for you
I like Tony so far, but I've only just finished season 3. He has a lot to deal with and a lot of plates to juggle. I don't get why people on youtube are always passing moral judgements on him. Maybe it's just that I don't care about morals.
>I don't get why people on youtube are always passing moral judgements on him.
>Maybe it's just that I don't care about morals.
yeah those two things are probably related numbnuts
No shit, you’re on season 3. Wait til the last season and then we’ll see how much you think of Tony.
half the people who watch the show are normies who think they are also like Tony and are living Chase's "strong and silent type" meme outloud.
watch the scene again, and whats up with the recent reddit obsession
I'm on my first watch, finishing season 4. Ralphie was by far my favorite character.
Today I watched the Chrissy intervention, I haven't laughed like that in a while.
Top tier comedy
WOWWWWWW REALLY??? REALLY??? NOOOOO YOU DONT SAY! IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MAJOR THEME OF THE LAST TWO SEASONS IS TONY ACCEPTING AND EMBRACING THIS FACT AND BECOMING A TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT TO RID HIMSELF OF THE INTERNAL STRUGGLES OF TRYING TO PRETEND HE ISNT ONE
>WOWWWWWW REALLY??? REALLY??? NOOOOO YOU DONT SAY! IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MAJOR THEME OF THE LAST TWO SEASONS IS TONY ACCEPTING AND EMBRACING THIS FACT AND BECOMING A TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT TO RID HIMSELF OF THE INTERNAL STRUGGLES OF TRYING TO PRETEND HE ISNT ONE
>A MAJOR THEME OF THE LAST TWO SEASONS IS TONY ACCEPTING AND EMBRACING THIS FACT AND BECOMING A TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT TO RID HIMSELF OF THE INTERNAL STRUGGLES OF TRYING TO PRETEND HE ISNT ONE
source? I just rewatched 5 and 6 recently and maybe I'm autistic but I never really picked up on that it felt more like he was getting put in increasingly desperate positions by everyone under or around him until his luck finally ran out
Not him, but I got that sort of subtle feeling by around season 4. You see Tony still doing scumbag things, but justifying it more and more rather than just burying or admitting it. Like that one scene with Melfi where he's just flat out admitting to everything that's going on his life (was either in S3 or S4), and he even says "Why am I even telling you all this?". He's becoming disinhibited to his actions and each successive season has him making more and more abhorrent decisions than the last.
>He's becoming disinhibited to his actions and each successive season has him making more and more abhorrent decisions than the last.
I feel like most all of that is rationalized rightly so by tony because it's more about showing how helpless he is to manage his mob life than it is him turning more evil or whatever, when tony B kills phil's brother tony knew he was fricked, if he gives up his cousin his crew won't trust him anymore, but if he doesn't, it's war, this cousin he tried to do nothing but help fricked him and his entire crew in a single instant and there was nothing he could do to truly prevent the spiral and keep his family safe
Yeah, and I totally agree with you. I had the same thought process in my head. It was a genuinely hard fricking choice. Quite literally that proverbial "stuck in between a rock and a hard place". Nevertheless, it doesn't make the mere action of him murdering his own fricking cousin, a cousin who he was close to since childhood. No matter how it's rationalized or justified, that act alone is despicable. Most people would tend to side on idea of "family first no matter what".
But yeah, it was a fricked up situation all the way through.
Tony B. was in the Mafa and thoroughly got himself into that situation, but you can still see the look of betrayal on his face even after he's dead.
>that act alone is despicable.
yeah im just saying season 1 tony wouldn't have reacted any differently I don't think, in that same situation
>source?
The show! The most obvious moment is after chrissy when Tony starts to have good luck again (wins in casino) and basically begins to shit all over christophers memory. Part of why he screams "I GET IT!" at the sun on peyote. Not to say Tony wasn't put in predicaments but the solutions to those became increasingly worse to the point where he stops torturing himself by giving a shit. It's kind of bullshit to act like tony simply HAD to kill a frickload of people because the alternative was himself facing consequences
spare the homosexual brackets reddit Black person
In Season 6's first half Tony tones down his evilness because his near-death experience put his life into perspective. He was still a criminal but tried to actively be less bloodthirsty and more lenient.
However, his character flaws resurfaced with a vengeance and he relapsed into his old antics soon. This also comes in contrast with Carmine Jr., who consciously left the criminal life, while Tone embraced it because he actually liked living like this.
>I'D HAVE BEATEN YOU IF I WASNT SHOT AND YOU ARE FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME IT WASNT A FAIR FIGHT AND YOU GOT LUCKY
>NOW GO KILL A GUY
He's funny.
>tfw the guy in the members only jacket is Volodymyr Zelenskyy
What did they mean by this?
I knew he looked similar
Bet its the same guy just with a changed name
cunnilingus and psychiatry
You just reveal your own ignorance
>He really eats pussy
What a homosexual lmao
This. A clit is basically a small penis. Meaning you are essentially licking a small penis. And we can all agree thats gay.
>A clit is basically a small penis
I know it's 2022 and everything, but women don't have penises, Anon.
The fact that it’s 2022 makes this more difficult, not less
not gay if it's a feminine penis
let me guess, you're not Italian and not from new jersey.
Why would you watch The Sopranos four times
Because it’s the greatest tv show of all time
Not only is Aqua Teen Hunger Force legendarily great and funny, it's also a more authentic depiction of New Jersey.
it sucked after the movie
movie is the best, athf is kino and so is sopranos. both are kindred spirits.
sopranos gets better over time (generally)
aqua teen falls off a fricking cliff dexter style
It's been a while since I watched Sopranos but I remember liking everything except the last season.
the last season is the one which improves the most from rewatches. Chase basically tells us what's going to happen to every character.
it's pretty easy to watch every 2 or 3 years since it's TV KINO and even if you know what happens the dialogue is close to Deadwood tier quality.
I've watched it 10+ times
Anxiety. People with anxiety like rewatching shows.
Because it's the only TV show that's genuinely literature. Maybe with the exceptions of Mad Men and Six Feet Under.
>Meadow finally about to call Tony out on being a mobster
>He pressures her
>I AM GOING TO EUROPE FRICK YOU WAAAAAAAH
God I fricking hate Meadow and and AJ so much, spoiled little c**ts, both of them
i wonder why they never did any subplot where Meadow or AJ went to the cops, it'd be funny and interesting and something i think both of them could have done
>Either of the kids going to the cops
Meadow and AJ both idolized Tony, Meadow spends all her time defending her dad and his job. She gets pissy at Jackies funeral about someone "Talking to an outsider" about the family.
AJ initally doesn't know, and when he starts to know he doesn't give a shit because his dad spoils him all the time and because he can use it to impress his friends like the dumb teenager that he is.
The only thing giving him some pause is when they ask him why Tony doesn't have the Michael Corleone money like Devin does.
Meadow only started defending Tony around season 3 no? in the early seasons she was against it right?
It's posts like these that remind me that zoomers will never understand this show.
please enlighten us, homosexual
About to watch Many Saints of Newark, what am I in for
I do not care about spoilers
Its barely Sopranos related its about a black dude named Harold.
moolie pandering garbage
Revisionist fanfiction cuck shit.
I like to imagine it as Christopher's movie
because it's shit
I think it's, uh, not good.
barely sopranos related. the only mystery we really cared about, who killed dickie moltisanti, is answered in the most moronic way possible. junior fell down the stairs or some shit and dickie laughed at him so junior had him hit
the rest is about some literal who Black person who has no connection to the main show.
hated the movie but this is objectively the best way to kill dickie. just should've been executed better.
that's the only good thing about the movie though
There are some good moments and some stupid ones. Mustang Sally is one of the shining parts of the movie. I think the entire Oedipus complex twist is great. Very scattershot though.
What's the symbolism behind gabagool
tastes good
A reminder of Johnnyboy driving a man to suicide and his mom being okay with it. A reminder of how neither of his parents loved him but loved material shit.
nothing but fat and nitrates
Gabagool? Ova here!
I wouldn't say "no reedming qualities", but he's a product of a vicious cycle, much like Christopher. There's just too much trauma to deal with in a healthy manner, which is why his sessions with Melfi ended up nowhere.
News flash, every major character in the Sopranos is a worthless waste of life, they’re all leeches who kill and steal for a living and contribute nothing to society
you had me up until
>contribute to society
do you believe Bill Gates has contributed to society as much as a benevolent, generous jesus-like homeless man with little money to spare?
That's a meme.
Classic mafia deflection.
>yeah but these OTHER people are bad so that somehow makes what we do ok!
Whatever ya say Tone
I can't think of a single super "wrong" thing that Tony's done aside from cheat on his wife. That's my only complaint about this show too is all the infidelity. :
...you dont remember all the times he randomly beat the shit out of someone for no reason?
>Beats up his barkeeper over the slightest thing
>Murders ralphie over a fricking horse
>Provokes Janice when she started going to anger therapy because he wanted to prove to himself that everybody in his family was a miserable frick
>Made Eugene kill a guy and then told him retirement was out of the question despite Eugene being loyal for decades and even willing to pay a severance package
>Openly racist towards meadows boyfriend (inb4 hurf durf homie, the guy was a CEOs son, half israelite and an intellectual, not one of the hood rats Tony knew)
>Beats the shit out of Zellman out of SIMP rage over a girl he himself dumped and paid tons of money to get away from him
>Left a woman in a burn ward because he wanted to get back with his golddigger wife
>When told by Furio, one of his best captains, that Furio is still devastated over the loss of his dad he tells him to just get fricking over it (Despite part of Tonys massive problem in therapy being his high value placed on family and his inability to accept that his uncle and mom were shit to him)
>Completly ruins one of his childhood friends marriages after he got into gambling and tries to take the sons car as a gift for Meadow
>Was going to frick his Nephews fiance if they hadn't crashed the car
Tony did a ton of terrible things
racist towards meadows boyfriend (inb4 hurf durf homie, the guy was a CEOs son, half israelite and an intellectual, not one of the hood rats Tony knew)
Okay so Tony does have redeeming qualities then
Don't forget he killed that guy that snitched a long time ago, for no reason and after the guy told him everything about having a family and how he could have killed them(tony and his daughter) but decided not because it reminded him of his family. After this, i didn't care for tony
That guy was lying, though. Plus, he was a drug dealer (Chase didn't want to include that bit, but the producers made him do it because they were afraid of making Tony too ruthless). Granted, Tony didn't know the guy was lying, but he still deserved it, more or less.
>killed that guy that snitched
>for no reason
the man took an oath and broke it, seems fair
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have a nice day redditgay
woke up this morning
With a wineglass in my hand
Only good thing he did was beat Ralphoe to death, but that was over a fricking horse instead of the young girl he killed, but that's what makes Tony such a great character, how flawed he is and how fricked up his mentality is.
Why did he take a shit in the shower and step in it...?
Why is gabagool so hard to find in California
Post some of your favorite underrated quotes
>All this soul searching, Janice. It's always on my fricking dime
That one by that FBI girl, talking about how what she does is the "clearest line between the guys and bad guys" to Ade. LITERALLY laughed out loud at that shit. Like hahahahahah fricking hell. I still laught about it now.
The entire argument in Vesuvio when Tony and Carmela are seperating is so good.
I was watching the show with my gf and she kept going on about how poorly Cameral was treated and I kept trying to say how she's basically a golddigger that stuck around
>When you walk around that fricking mansion with your $500 shoes and your diamond rings, and you act like butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth. And you don’t want it to get ugly? Too late!
>I want what I'm entitled to!
>You're entitled to shit.
Most of the fights between Tony in Carmela
>What you really crave his a little hyundai and a little golden heart on a chain
I dunno. Carmela's a little complex. I mean, she DID legitimately put up with a lot of Tony's shit for the sake of the kids. But at the same time, it's shown so many times how easily she's placated by an expensive gift that becomes a little difficult to justify this point. No doubt she loves the lifestyle, and she's just running cycles and cycles of rationalizations and justifications for putting up with and remaining with Tony. At heart, she wants that good shit. But her conscious mind is what's battling her heart in what she knows is wrong.
I guess ultimately it just boils down to the woman's dilemma. Is it better that I KNOW something is wrong when I FEEL something is right? Of course they always side with the latter.
She is committed to Tony and seems to legitimately care about him as well. She does stick around due to all the material items he gives her, but you see she's genuinely concerned about him during the coma episodes. Her using religion to assuage her guilt is pretty similar to Tony going to therapy and always trying to justify his actions and insist that he's a good guy. They're similar in that way.
Right. I didn't actually view in that particular perspective before, but you're right.
Tony does all that he does because he wants to do it (as a sociopath) but rationalizes it as "doing it all for his family", while Carmella does all that she does because she wants all of it (as a woman lmao) but rationalizes it as "doing it all for her kids".
An interesting parallel.
Carmela isn't complex at all
She's a gold digger
She says it herself during her session with Melfi in season 6
>Tony showed up to my second date with a dozen roses for me and my mother each and a 200 Dollar drill for my dad and I knew behind the drill was someone with a broken arm or worse, but I just didn't care
It's in her every interaction
>Showing up in her new Porsche at Ginnys house when she learns that they're about to be bankrupt with Johnny in prison
>That interaction with Angie where she tries to show off her Porsche and Angie says she bought herself a Corvette from the bodyshop money and Carmela looks just fricking devastated because she couldn't flex on her friend
>Literally tells Tony she'll only get together with him if he buys her a 600k piece of land to build a house on
She cares about him, but that's not a complex motivation
Tony is her mealticket, the only way for her to live her lifestyle.
Hell, both the black priest and the israeli therapist tell her that she's an enabler, she's taking Tonys bloodmoney and if she truly wants to repent she needs to start earning her own money and stop with the rich housewife shit and she smiles, looks through them and never returns.
>One thing you can never say is that you haven't been told
>>That interaction with Angie where she tries to show off her Porsche and Angie says she bought herself a Corvette from the bodyshop money and Carmela looks just fricking devastated because she couldn't flex on her friend
I dunno. I disagree with that, actually. I interpreted her reaction to that, with all that's culminated so far, as her being distraught that even though Tony fricked her hardcore with the Pussy situation (which she subconsciously knew), how independent she had become, able to do things her way the way she wanted, without having to RELY upon Tony to give her those things.
She was jealous, yes, but not because it was nicer, but because Angie could do it on her own. Carmella meanwhile has to put up with Tony, who she resents in every respect if not for his ability to shower her with these nice things.
It's a case of Carmella wanting to have her cake and eat it too.
You know, I think you're right, but it's a mix of both
Carmela is pissy about Angie achieving success and independence both because of her dependence on Tony AND because she can't flex with her shit anymore.
In fact she can flex even less now because Angie knows that Carmelas shit was paid for by somebody else, while Angie actually earned it.
Yeah, I think we're on the same page here. She was constantly juggling between what she felt so good and liked, versus what she inherently knew to be wrong. Ultimately she gave in to her feelings (like 99.99% of women lmoa)
Tony did the same thing though.
>She's a gold digger
it isn't that simple. i could point to a million things like the fact that carm is so much better to tony than he is to her (melfi points this out). but let's just take the divorce... carm' knew that was going to be very difficult on her financially. tony made it clear that he would be squeezing out as little money as possible and fighting her at every step of the way. it was only when one of tony's tricks (meeting with all the best divorce lawyers in jersey) made it totally impossible for her to divorce him that she began to backslide and listen to his lame concessions
would have been very, very interesting to see how tony would act if carm' got shot and was in the hospital in a terrible condition... shot by someone tony warned her about since day 1....
Carmella is actually correct about many of her observations about others, especially Tony. Tony did treat her like shit. However, Carmella lacked the ability to judge her own actions with any of the same scrutiny she used on others. This is until season 6 when she realizes she was trying to have her cake and eat it too, and she embraced her love for Tony and acknowledge she loved him because of his Mafia connections rather than in spite of those connections.
Why did tony climax the way he did?
>it's a "/tv/: the character" episode
jesus christ sal was doing this guy a favor
just looking at that is making my skin itch
On a rewatch I noticed that Phil literally does nothing wrong
Everything he did Tony would have done exactly the same way.
The only reason people dislike Phil is because he went against the protagonist
he really did get shorted on the vitamin truck
Nah Phil was a bit of a moron and was blinded by his need for revenge so much so that he let it get in the way of business. I doubt Tony cared about anyone outside of his immediate family to let it cloud his judgment that much. Phil's brother was in the Mafia, and he had no understanding of why Tony wouldn't want him to torture his cousin.
What do you mean get in the way of business? The only thing that got in the way of business was his car tire. The North Jersey mafia is like the Section 8 of mafias, all they do is make problems for themselves and dick around. It makes no sense to just leave them fricking around running their circus operation when you can just kill a couple key players and move your own men in there and run things like a New Yorker
He compromised
Nah, he was so obsessed and angry over wrongs, perceived or real, that it blinded him to the bigger picture. The Leotardo thing was a prime example of this. Why not change your name back? Because he wanted to feel angry about it.
Nah he was a trigger happy c**t that forget that the name of the game is to make money and stay out of the can, he failed at both of those, only thing he was ever good at was ruining everyones cash flow in everything he was involved with and getting people killed for literally no reason
>Phil literally does nothing wrong
He does everything wrong to the point where his top guys just give him up to get killed, is this the bi-weekly "most contrarian Sopranos take" thread or what?
He's in the fricking mafia what do you expect? You know what's really funny is how these pastaBlack folk go through all this bullshit and crime just so they can love an upper middle class life at best, tony has a boat and a pool, and he is the tip of the food chain over there. Imagine being chris and murdering a frickton of people just so you could take out a loan for a shitty night club and live in an apartment. What a crazy life just to avoid having to show up on time to an office
I always feel that the people who go through lengths to grandstand about how horrible Tony is are revealing how detestable they themselves are. If you're a human being you dont need a Eureka moment to see how fricked up a lot of actions were, jerking yourself off about how enlightened you are by proclaiming calling tony this and that disregarding all nuance makes you sound like a brainlet too.
Why are you defending a man that doesn't exist?
I agree with this. No need to browbeat a fictional character. I'm not sure what they're getting out of it, but I guess I can see it happening because a lot of people initially empathized with him and then slowly came to realize how bad he actually was in retrospect.
Narcissistic hypocritical and self righteous he's the quintessential boomer
it's amazing these guys got anything done
The hell did Paukie do with all his money?
He said his mothers retirement home was 7-8k per month alone. Dude was living a sicilian family straight from the boat.
Who was the most moronic of the group ? I think it's Paulie by far
watch it chrissy
Really? I thought he was trying to be a good father and was one of the more sympathetic mobsters
i cant watch it since The Many Saint Of Newark ruined all things Soprano retroactively its just such garbage
I think he loved his kids and Carmella, the fact he didn't give them more priority in his life was mostly due to him being raised with a "have your cake and eat it too" attitude.
He had the potential to be a good person is what I'm saying.
For me, it was Tony selling the chicken bodega, the ultimate scuzzy move despite him doing more heinous shit.
>On my fourth rewatch now, and I am finally able to truly detest Tony. He is an absolutely worthless human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
He has some:
1. He loves his family.
2. He has a soft spot for children, animals, and some women.
3. He has pretentions at being a good person (which he has to ignore to be a murderous mob boss)
If he quit his job and cashed out he could have been a "good person" and maybe used his wealth to better people. His job description is to bully and rob people and generally to be a societal parasite. He picked staying at his job.
I liked the crossover episode
He was no Frank Costello that's for sure, like Phil said they're just a glorified crew.