Opinion: The ending of the 'Crawlspace' episode would have been the greatest ending to a series in history, I'd probably also the most bleak.
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Opinion: The ending of the 'Crawlspace' episode would have been the greatest ending to a series in history, I'd probably also the most ...
of course not, it didn't resolve any of the plot points of the show you brain dead moron.
needing plot point to resolve is a sign of autism, anon.
On the other hand, a sign of good plot is plot points being resolved..
Implying autism is bad on a website like this is futile; many here are self-proclaimed autists (to some degree anyways, many of them probably “high functioning” (as these things are categorized.))
Do you fricking mouth-breathers hate the Sopranos ending too because it doesn't explicitly show Tony getting shot, the EMTs arriving, pronouncing him dead and then the credits roll?
I don't see the likeness, that's the same ending either way: he gets shot and dies. A better comparison would be the season before where Tony is under pressure to hand over his cousin to the other crew, or kill him, doesn't know what to do and the whole show just suddenly ends. You can't end an entire series on a cliffhanger, a cliffhanger is design to make the audience what to keep watching, you can't permanently leave them suspended there. The cut to black was simply an artistic way to depict his death.
Tony lives though
You're the third person to say that today, how do you figure?
Watched it ages ago but I remember I was convinced that it was the ending which made the most thematic sense. Can't really provide any good arguments for it now, years after I've watched it.
He obviously lived. The ending plays into the paranoia of both tony and the audience. That was the whole point.
What does that accomplish exactly?
Probably bait but I'll bite.
You moronic Black folk do realise that David Chase came out and admitted Tony was dead? On top of the very obvious framing of every shot basically telling us he's dead without actually telling us?
>You moronic Black folk do realise that David Chase came out and admitted Tony was dead?
So? I don't care about his opinion.
Conveniently ignore the rest of the post, it's ok speedwatcher, you can just watch an analyses on youtube, right?
>Conveniently ignore the rest of the post
okay here we go
>On top of the very obvious framing of every shot basically telling us he's dead
yeah that's the point.
But he isn't dead.
see
here you fricking go. get out of this breaking bad thread
No.
>muh thread
eat a dick
David Chase also made Many Saints of Newark, what's your point even
And no, if the shots were building up to his death they would have ended with a third POV shot looking at the entrance before cutting to black, it was ambiguous on purpose you brainlet
"Whats your point if the literal creator of the show says the main character of his show died"
Tony died, cope and seethe, Black person.
Based
Imbeciles, both of you.
The beauty of the Sopranos ending is that it ultimately doesn't matter if Tony gets shot or not.
If he lives, then he's gonna go to jail instead.
Either way, he's done. It's over for him.
>The beauty of the Sopranos ending is that it ultimately doesn't matter if Tony gets shot or not.
>If he lives, then he's gonna go to jail instead.
>Either way, he's done. It's over for him.
That's literally why he lives though
that's such an awful comparison. the point of that ending is that tony's life is pretty much over no matter what, while crawl space is supposed to be a climax and cliffhanger
No it isn't duh. The ending of the sopranos is an artistic choice that fit because the writers chose to wrap it up that way to paint the uncertainty of Tony's life, whereas Vince still wanted to tell the rest of the story.
That's like saying Star Wars should have ended when Luke lost his hand because it would be "bleak" and "uncertain" when that wasn't the ending George Lucas wanted.
It would be pretty heavily implied that Walt and his family got gunned down by Gus' men before Walt could get his family out of the house. The only real issue I'd have with the ending would be the lack of any conclusion to Jesse's character, and the lack of reaction to Hank finding out that Walt was Heisenberg
>The only real issue I'd have with the ending would be the lack of any conclusion to Jesse's character, and the lack of reaction to Hank finding out that Walt was Heisenberg
you know, MINOR DETAILS
Ehh, I don't know, from a story telling standpoint it wouldn't have been that satisfying of a conclusion. But I think it would have stood out for being so bleak and unexpected. Not to mention, I hate talking about realism with this show because it has looney toons logic sometimes, but realistically, Gus would have probably been able to kill Walt in this scene.
>I'd probably also the most bleak.
not as bad as the wagecage with zero friends or family left.
that would be called a cliffhanger moron.
I have rarely seen this complained about but I still pissy that the s5 marketing presented Walt as a true kingpin but he never became one in the show. He ran a very successful and dynamic meth BUSINESS and if he were real would be one of the most famous true crime stories ever, but he never became a Gus-tier kingpin with meth EMPIRE.
Season 5 should have focused on Walt running his empire and trying to do what Gus did. That would have actually been a pretty interesting and unique storyline. I was disappointed that it never felt large scale, it still just felt like Walt was doing everything himself and we never saw him interacting with a larger circle of associates. It all felt too small scale.
season 5 was just shit in general
I've spent 9 years getting shit for having this opinion. Even back in 2012 I thought it felt lazy and poorly written compared to what came before. People just instantly associate heightened drama = high quality.
SAME. Season 4 was so good just for it to be so lazy next season retconning shit. The machine gun was just terrible and people loved it.
First half of season 5 was the weakest part of the show. But the ending tied things up so well that most people tend to forget that.
If the ending had been a shit show, more people would have shared your opinion.
That's the fricking POINT. Walt realized pretty early on that he didn't want an empire, he just wanted to feel the adrenaline and the danger. Soon as he got rid of all his enemies he got bored and quit
Breaking Bad would have had a lot of great moments to end on. The way it actually ended was not one of them.
It should have ended there, instead it dragged on and on.
I watched the show on netflix years ago and they only had half the final season, so I thought the ending when hank was shitting was the ending to the entire show. I'm not joking, it took several days for me to see a spoiler of the sleepy gonzales after the shootout and realising there was more
That's still a better ending than most shows get, Dexter being a prime example.
They should have ended with Face Off
The bomb killing Gus in the nursing home, Skylar asking Walt what happened and him growling "I won" into the phone, it was the perfect coda
The last, broken up season was slow, unfocused and apart from a couple of good moments not very interesting
it would have to be rewritten somewhat, a lot of stuff wasn't wrapped up still. like jesse and his cancer for example
Whether it's Crawlspace or Face Off, either way season 4 felt like the peak of the show. Most people I've talked to about BB agree that season 4 was the best.
>season 4 was the best
dead opposite for me. Season 4 has always been my least favorite. It's the only season of the show that feels formulaic, that feels like its stalling and and prolonging the inevitable. Anyone watching the premiere of season 4 knows ultimately where the season has to end, and sure enough it ends with Walter defeating Gus. It was drawn out, the character moments didn't really shine either aside from Jesse which had an alright arc going for a while.
For me seasons 3-4 as a whole are mediocre and overrated. They feel like a whole lot of treading water, a very drawn out second act that is mostly filler (when considering the larger story and themes of the show). Likes there's almost 26 episodes of Walt working for Gus. That's way, waaaaaaaay too much, considering that for the most part the whole super lab cooking storyline wasn't that important.
The fifth season has the ozimandias, which is the best episode of the series and probably one of the best TV episodes ever made. It alone raises the 5th season up by a couple of notches. You can meme all you want about how this season wasn't as good as the others- hank vs. Walt is pure, unadulterated kino
Walt vs Hank was great but most of the rest sucked, like Jesse being a whiny rat b***h, and the neo-Nazis being lame as frick villains.
Yeah the LE NATZHI villans weren't cool or compelling, but my point is that they weren't the primry antagonist of the season. The villian was walt himself
Would've been terrible, walt wasn't some badass druglord, he was an old man way over his head and it was thematically fitting that a bunch of hillbilly nobodies ended up being his demise
I'm not sure if I remember this correctly but: he poisons a child and then takes the ricin cigarette off of Jesse so that he can blame it on Gus and have Jesse on his side, but what actually gets him to Gus is an information given by Saul anyway hence why the frick did he need Jesse in the first place?
He got the information from Jesse not Saul IIRC. Jesse was telling Walt how Gus was tormenting this old guy in the nursing home didn't he?
Ah just checked, yeah you're right. Still, I can't help thinking of the plan as anything but convoluted, it's still something he could have gotten from Saul anyway
What if Breaking Bad ended here?