Man, it was infinitely smarter than just "dark adult scooby doo" too, seeing as they were all well-researched caricatures of some of the most fricked up people of the hippy era.
You're not going to see many cartoons quoting the S.C.U.M. Manifesto, even now when some people would laud it as progressive rather than insane.
Not even looking it up: Ted Bundy, the Son of Sam, Patty Hearst and Valerie Solanas. It's pretty fricked up how well they fit, though physically the SoS as "Sonny" is stretching it a bit (though the dog angle made it too perfect not to use)
>The Shaggy and Scooby were based on the Son of Sam serial killer who said his dog told him to kill people >Velma was based on Valarie Solonis, who was a radical feminist who wanted to kill all men, most famous for shooing Andy Warhol >Fred was based on Ted Bundy, intelligent and handsome serial killer >Daphne was based on Patty Hearst, a rich girl who was kidnapped by left wing terrorists and ended up joining them
Such a great parody, I love how fricking dark it was.
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Iirc Doc Hammer comments that the episode is very clever and well constructed but he didn't like how unaligned the Venture boys act wih their slight but notable development at that point in the series. Edlund wasn't as involved as them obviously so he fell back to the very prototype of the boys: all golly-gee and cripes with no idea of the seriousness of any situation they're involved in.
Makes sense, yeah it was a very well constructed episode. I feel like it's aligned well enough, this is the ep where the boys first learn they're clones right? They take that seriously and freak out until Doc yells at them and snaps them out of it.
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Not exactly, they discover they have a super-special christmas present clone army, but being them they don't put 1+1 and reason they may be clones themselves. This is season 2, and they don't explicitly learn that fact until S5 iirc
From left to right in the OP image
Patty Hearst; Kidnapping victim abused/stockholme'd into gun-toting accomplice
Valerie Solanas; Hardcore literally-kill-all-men feminist who wrote the SCUM manifesto cum paranoid schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol
Ted Bundy; Serial killer, rapist, necophilliac with a kill count of 30+
David Berkowitz/Son of Sam; serial killer who claimed to get his orders from a talking dog, possessed by a demon.
Not!Scooby; The son of sam dog.
It's especially funny because they actually reference Patty Hearst in the Brisbyland episode ("What, did you set it to 'Patty Hearst'?"), which makes it kind of weird for the not-scooby-doo Patty to be a reference to her as well.
>Valerie Solanas; Hardcore literally-kill-all-men feminist who wrote the SCUM manifesto cum paranoid schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol
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Also technically they parody Valerie again with Frigid.
>Valerie Solanas; Hardcore literally-kill-all-men feminist who wrote the SCUM manifesto cum paranoid schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol
It's especially funny because they actually reference Patty Hearst in the Brisbyland episode ("What, did you set it to 'Patty Hearst'?"), which makes it kind of weird for the not-scooby-doo Patty to be a reference to her as well.
Also technically they parody Valerie again with Frigid.
Sadly they missed the chance of making a reference to Val in the Doom Factory episode as Wes Warhammer was literally bald Andy Warhol lmao
>She just shows up in the middle of the party says something vague about stealing an idea >Unloads a .35 in Wes' direction maybe wings a bystander but he's untouched and unphased >Is gently escorted out by Gerard and Trashenstein as though they expected it >Wes returns to talking up Doctor Venture as nothing happened and Party resumes as though an awkward argument just happened
It might be funny to filter that into online conversation and then pull the rug out and let them know it's the insane ramblings of an actual schizophrenic who shot people. Who am I kidding? They'd either refuse to believe you or act like she was a brave misunderstood genius and double down. Parody, Satire and Subtlety is dead.
This was the first episode of VB that made me go "wow, this is REALLY good", and I later realized it was one of the two only eps not written by Hammer or Publick, but by their mentor Ben Edlund (the basis for their later character, "Ben", and creator of The Tick). Not throwing shade on them though, I still love plenty other later episodes just as much.
It feels like the last Tick 94 episode to me. Neither Tick show afterwords really felt the same(by design).
Iirc Doc Hammer comments that the episode is very clever and well constructed but he didn't like how unaligned the Venture boys act wih their slight but notable development at that point in the series. Edlund wasn't as involved as them obviously so he fell back to the very prototype of the boys: all golly-gee and cripes with no idea of the seriousness of any situation they're involved in.
What? It's just a sideways "j" under the dog's stomach. Easy peasy. Do you have the same complaint when a children's cartoon shows an "x" where an animal's butthole is supposed to be instead of just a flat surface?
Was just bumping the thread from page 10 dude, I've gotten 3 day vacations before simply for making and Out Of Placers thread.
What counts as "furry pornography" according to the jannies is whatever talking animals that they don't like, while shit like
Mr. Hell Show did a "dark and edgy" Scooby Doo parody in 2002 which was just a small segment and not an entire show where the entire joke was "what if a masked criminal was also a killer" and it still managed to be funnier than the entirety of Velma somehow.
Patty: I don’t know about this, Ted…
Ted: Patty, if God didn’t want us to solve this mystery, he wouldn’t have had us run out of gas here.
Patty: But…what’s the Mystery?
Sonny: Hey, Y’know, we’re not out of gas, man…We got a five gallon tank in the back of the…
Ted: Why do you hate God so much?
Sonny: I don’t hate God, Man…
Ted: Well, God thinks you hate him, and that’s just as bad as hating him. So how about you and Groovy go and start looking for some clues!
Sonny: Clues to what? What is your trip?
Ted: Clues to why I don’t chain you to the back of my van and roadhaul you until you’re nothing but a pelvis – wearing a belt!
Groovy the Bloodhound: Guy’s pissin’ on your lawn, man.
Also their "dark scooby doo" take wasn't 'lol random', they were based on real people whose experiences were both memorable and relevant to the characters. They were a bit too 'inside baseball' for me to really get back in the day, but like most references in the show if you were in on the gag it was hilarious. New Velma characters are just like "hi, my name is Shit Eater Jones, and my sole defining character trait is in my name" and then they expect to wring like a solid 8 minutes of laughs out of that character without putting in any effort, because they genuinely think you are stupid. And I guess in their favor they're usually right, for their audience. Is it worse if they're right?
Oddly they comment on that exaggerated sort of bad posture they use for many characters in the artbook. They like the "defeated" look it gives them apparently
I miss the days when bastardizing old shows was done out of actual fun for the audience. Now, its just angry feminist lesbians who hate men wearing the skin of old shows.
Daphne kinda cute
>free school books
you'd have to steal them to be free
We don't make high schoolers buy their own school books
>13 dollars for a pair of bangles
???
Why are socks $5?
>Sawn-off shotgun to kill this little shit: Potentially free!
But Velma Black isn't smart.
Its Velma Indian
>sweater with room for two
Not with her lardness crammed into it.
The real question is the free school books.
…and that dog can freakin’ TALK, mannnn…
>smartly
Man, it was infinitely smarter than just "dark adult scooby doo" too, seeing as they were all well-researched caricatures of some of the most fricked up people of the hippy era.
You're not going to see many cartoons quoting the S.C.U.M. Manifesto, even now when some people would laud it as progressive rather than insane.
Qrd on those fricked up people?
Not even looking it up: Ted Bundy, the Son of Sam, Patty Hearst and Valerie Solanas. It's pretty fricked up how well they fit, though physically the SoS as "Sonny" is stretching it a bit (though the dog angle made it too perfect not to use)
Ted Bundy, Valerie Solanos, Son of Sam, and I never understood the reference for Daphne but some kind of Stockholm syndrome victim.
>The Shaggy and Scooby were based on the Son of Sam serial killer who said his dog told him to kill people
>Velma was based on Valarie Solonis, who was a radical feminist who wanted to kill all men, most famous for shooing Andy Warhol
>Fred was based on Ted Bundy, intelligent and handsome serial killer
>Daphne was based on Patty Hearst, a rich girl who was kidnapped by left wing terrorists and ended up joining them
Such a great parody, I love how fricking dark it was.
Wow didn't know this
That's the beauty of it, the episode still works perfectly even if you don't recognize the caricatures
Makes sense, yeah it was a very well constructed episode. I feel like it's aligned well enough, this is the ep where the boys first learn they're clones right? They take that seriously and freak out until Doc yells at them and snaps them out of it.
Not exactly, they discover they have a super-special christmas present clone army, but being them they don't put 1+1 and reason they may be clones themselves. This is season 2, and they don't explicitly learn that fact until S5 iirc
From left to right in the OP image
Patty Hearst; Kidnapping victim abused/stockholme'd into gun-toting accomplice
Valerie Solanas; Hardcore literally-kill-all-men feminist who wrote the SCUM manifesto cum paranoid schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol
Ted Bundy; Serial killer, rapist, necophilliac with a kill count of 30+
David Berkowitz/Son of Sam; serial killer who claimed to get his orders from a talking dog, possessed by a demon.
Not!Scooby; The son of sam dog.
add to that all of them traveling around living out of a van like the fricking Manson family and it's just perfect
It's especially funny because they actually reference Patty Hearst in the Brisbyland episode ("What, did you set it to 'Patty Hearst'?"), which makes it kind of weird for the not-scooby-doo Patty to be a reference to her as well.
Sadly they missed the chance of making a reference to Val in the Doom Factory episode as Wes Warhammer was literally bald Andy Warhol lmao
>Bald Andy Warhol
I guess it makes sense considering the irl Warhol was going bald and would get royally pissed if anyone saw him without the wig.
>Valerie Solanas; Hardcore literally-kill-all-men feminist who wrote the SCUM manifesto cum paranoid schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol
Also technically they parody Valerie again with Frigid.
She's Brigid Berlin not Solanas
>She just shows up in the middle of the party says something vague about stealing an idea
>Unloads a .35 in Wes' direction maybe wings a bystander but he's untouched and unphased
>Is gently escorted out by Gerard and Trashenstein as though they expected it
>Wes returns to talking up Doctor Venture as nothing happened and Party resumes as though an awkward argument just happened
Frigid is a parody of Brigid Berlin, not Val.
You just know bpd b***hes would be eating up scum manifesto dialogue.
It might be funny to filter that into online conversation and then pull the rug out and let them know it's the insane ramblings of an actual schizophrenic who shot people.
Who am I kidding? They'd either refuse to believe you or act like she was a brave misunderstood genius and double down. Parody, Satire and Subtlety is dead.
This was the first episode of VB that made me go "wow, this is REALLY good", and I later realized it was one of the two only eps not written by Hammer or Publick, but by their mentor Ben Edlund (the basis for their later character, "Ben", and creator of The Tick). Not throwing shade on them though, I still love plenty other later episodes just as much.
It feels like the last Tick 94 episode to me. Neither Tick show afterwords really felt the same(by design).
Iirc Doc Hammer comments that the episode is very clever and well constructed but he didn't like how unaligned the Venture boys act wih their slight but notable development at that point in the series. Edlund wasn't as involved as them obviously so he fell back to the very prototype of the boys: all golly-gee and cripes with no idea of the seriousness of any situation they're involved in.
Animating the dog's sheath was a bit much.
What? It's just a sideways "j" under the dog's stomach. Easy peasy. Do you have the same complaint when a children's cartoon shows an "x" where an animal's butthole is supposed to be instead of just a flat surface?
Was just bumping the thread from page 10 dude, I've gotten 3 day vacations before simply for making and Out Of Placers thread.
What counts as "furry pornography" according to the jannies is whatever talking animals that they don't like, while shit like
stays up.
Luv me a good scooby parody
Am I the only one turned on by the thought of Feminist Velma just openly molesting Stockholm Daphne too weak will to stop her.
Mr. Hell Show did a "dark and edgy" Scooby Doo parody in 2002 which was just a small segment and not an entire show where the entire joke was "what if a masked criminal was also a killer" and it still managed to be funnier than the entirety of Velma somehow.
Patty: I don’t know about this, Ted…
Ted: Patty, if God didn’t want us to solve this mystery, he wouldn’t have had us run out of gas here.
Patty: But…what’s the Mystery?
Sonny: Hey, Y’know, we’re not out of gas, man…We got a five gallon tank in the back of the…
Ted: Why do you hate God so much?
Sonny: I don’t hate God, Man…
Ted: Well, God thinks you hate him, and that’s just as bad as hating him. So how about you and Groovy go and start looking for some clues!
Sonny: Clues to what? What is your trip?
Ted: Clues to why I don’t chain you to the back of my van and roadhaul you until you’re nothing but a pelvis – wearing a belt!
Groovy the Bloodhound: Guy’s pissin’ on your lawn, man.
Also their "dark scooby doo" take wasn't 'lol random', they were based on real people whose experiences were both memorable and relevant to the characters. They were a bit too 'inside baseball' for me to really get back in the day, but like most references in the show if you were in on the gag it was hilarious. New Velma characters are just like "hi, my name is Shit Eater Jones, and my sole defining character trait is in my name" and then they expect to wring like a solid 8 minutes of laughs out of that character without putting in any effort, because they genuinely think you are stupid. And I guess in their favor they're usually right, for their audience. Is it worse if they're right?
Why is everybody standing like there's something wrong with them and they're about to collapse?
Oddly they comment on that exaggerated sort of bad posture they use for many characters in the artbook. They like the "defeated" look it gives them apparently
Gotta say the Boys from Brazil line caught me so fricking off-guard.
That film must've been a huge deal in the 70's because even the twist with Batman Beyond im JLU is taken from it.
I miss the days when bastardizing old shows was done out of actual fun for the audience. Now, its just angry feminist lesbians who hate men wearing the skin of old shows.
I like how the normal Mystery Gang were implied to exist separately from this group of looser as Velma allegedly gave action Johnny herpes.
if they're clones then are they really technically brothers ?
Technically