>Over 3000 years of history. >No technological advancements

>Over 3000 years of history
>No technological advancements

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    dont need technology when you have magic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Magic doesn't have the same impact as an AR15 anon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        does a ar15 have splash?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          no but grenades and explosives do

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            something with more heat

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        *makes your head explode from 1k miles away*
        Psshhh, nothing personnel, ARgay.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Magic has range homosexual.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Is is subject to the inverse square law?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >is is
              lmao homosexual can't speak

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I have covid and i'm not a practicing homosexual.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >what is a sniper

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >t. john dillinger

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What's the impact of an AR15? Losing wars and getting overrun by the smallest population on earth?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        hahaha what a gay.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dosent work like that. It's not about efficency. But about necessity. That's why slave economies ended up stagnated. No need to innovate when you could just raid around for slaves to do the job.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Magic is just waving around a light stick

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      *makes your head explode from 1k miles away*
      Psshhh, nothing personnel, ARgay.

      does a ar15 have splash?

      >Nothing personal, fantasygays

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          wtf is that?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            White Phosphorus

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            spicy rain

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Stars falling from the sky, as "prophesized".

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like the Radahn Festival is over.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Nothing personal, technologygays

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Why are anti-tech gays always so cringe?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why did you get triggered by an obvious joke post? Well either that or you responded to the wrong one. Either way you're not very bright.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Because it's becoming one of those Cinemaphile "auto-trigger" things, buzzwords like atheism/christianity/trans/tattoos/Jordan Peterson/muscle girls etc. Everytime it's mentioned the thread gets flooded with anti-X gays who are being as obnoxious as humanily possible about their contrarian thing of the month.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The valar basically sank an entire continent with their bullshit wars. I don't think thermobarics would impress them much.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Michael from Supernatural used superpower angel technology made with enochian magic to destroy the world's military power when he took over the universe. In the episode, angels were flying, dropping apple sized bombs on whole cities. The explosions were the equivalent of atom bombs. It was pretty based.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So foggy I expected this guy to come screaming about racism in the second age

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lord of the rings is a low tier magic setting and only a few people can wield magic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and no. There aren’t “spells,” per se, but the entire setting is magical. It’s pervasive and organic. The most mundane characters are the Hobbits, the most magical, the Elves of course. None of the human kingdoms doubt or even question the existence of magic, because they are touched by it as well. While only the Ishtari and the most powerful of Elves are ever shown actively using magic, it touches them all in the sort of way that the cultures of Northern Europe call “wyrd.”

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          And it's important to note that only men and hobbits really talk about "magic". The Elves don't understand the term; to them it's just craft, or nature.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. That might be my favorite thing about the whole trip to Lothlórien.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      realistically, magic would accelerate technological advancement.
      but setting that fact aside, human technological achievements irl have taken ages. 4500+ years without real advancement beyond better metal refining techniques(which ultimately lead to everything else).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        not really, for a one time instance of an organism achieving what human's have it's been very fast, far outstripping even evolutionary processes. You are probably just underestimating the vast gulf between each development.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't frodo just ride an elvish bicycle into Mordor?

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Saruman invented gunpowder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, his colonist ass stole it from the kingdoms of Rhûn.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Hobbit's had watermills and windmills from memory.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So did we 3000 years ago but now we've got nukes.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        And 3000 years before that?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >And 3000 years before that?
          We literally had flying castles.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think the Mordorites were trying to do? Only a chud believes the good guys won the war of the ring.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Become master of the sword, hunt for treasure, have amazing life changing adventure, drink mead all day every day, eat red meat straight from the bone, frick hobbit, elf, human bawds until orgasm and impregnation.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's like Star Wars, the technology of the Empire era is almost exactly the same as in KotOR set 4000 years before. People in fantasy are just lazy bastards.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's on Bioware. The TOR era pre Bioware was a lot more primitive in aesthetic and a lot of technologies were new or unrefined compared to later eras. Bioware was going to follow what was set before, but legal issues and desires to cash in on the prequels led them to just copy what was familiar. Even then, the tech developed over 4K years is pretty ridiculous, but it wasn't quite as blatant pre-Bioware.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        they did suffer a 1000-year galactic war that set technology back

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Numenoreans had steam powered boats

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Eärendil had a spaceship.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no oilfields means no industrial revolution.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The industrial revolution never started because of oil you unbelievably stupid c**t.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ya it did

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It was coal, not oil.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It was coal, not oil.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It was steam, not coal, you moron. The ancient Greeks and Romans used coal, and there's evidence mankind was using coal to create heat in the stone age.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Steam power was also known in antiquity. The availability of large deposits of coal enabled industrial development in England as it was a more abundant and secure fuel source than firewood or charcoal, neither of which could have sustained the rise in population without becoming depleted.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          zoomer history 101

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It was coal, not oil.

          It was coal, not oil.

          Water mills started industrialization until engineers discovered steam could move turbines as well as water

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          England is known for its oil fields

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Er actually it is. They're in the sea.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >reach highly advanced European medieval metallurgy and engineering
    >then all technological progress ends.
    great world building.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up, you moronic commie. J.R Tolkien has build an amazing world.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >make the time skip 100 years not 3000
        >now you can have your sword and sorcery larpfest ripped off of European fairytales without it making no goddamn sense
        greatest genre-fiction author in all of history apparently.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, a basement dweller in the 21st century would have done much better, no doubt.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Capital of the Elves is called "Lindon"
        Bravo, Tolkien!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The Silmarillion was not written by Tolkien. It was written by his hack son "based on notes by Tolkien", just like Brian Herbert's garbage Dune books are totally based on Frank's notes. I can't believe people are still falling for that shit.

        • 2 years ago
          Sage

          this is actually legit
          as grand as the whole work is, this is precisely what we look like when we gush about Arda like a bunch of nerds.
          Most Tolkiengays need to develop more tact.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >implying a steady state society isn't comfy

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's kind of the point of that story though.
    Tolkien believed a simple rural life was good, and industrialization and "progress at all costs" will destroy the world.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ya it did

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >island remnants of Beleriand way too far from Lindon
    >weirdly-shaped Gulf of Lhun
    >gigantic Withered Heath
    >weirdly-shaped Dol Amroth peninsula
    >lower course of the Anduin is completely off
    >Umbar due south of Gondor instead of Southwest, with no gulf of Umbar somehow
    That's a pretty atrocious map of Middle-Earth

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Over 3000 years of history
    >No technological advancements

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >#VoteNo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I get your point but they did have some advancement, or at least specific tribes advanced in specific ways compared to other tribes. Most of them just didn't need to advance because winter in Australia doesnt effect the food situation like it does in Europe.
      I assume dwarfs made lots of technological advancements in mining during that time. There just isnt a need to talk about it in the story.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Most of them just didn't need to advance because winter in Australia doesnt effect the food situation like it does in Europe.
        What the frick are you trying to say? That winter is warm enough not to effect crops because that's a moronic assertion on two levels, the 2nd level being that coons never invented farming.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you want a serious answer its because Australia is a hell hole and no body has time for advancing tech when its a struggle just to survive.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://voca.ro/15wzxgCJvWMB

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    there were advancement though, especially on the Numenor side, the only new invention the elves "made" were the rings.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So.... what did Middle-Earthians eat? Rocks?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lamb ass bread

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What was the export levy on eleven grain?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Finish writing the books George.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Technology regressed from Numenorean times but survived here and there before starting to build back up. Grond is quite advanced.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the hobbits have pipe tobacco, potatoes, silverware and waistcoats in the otherwise iron age/medieval setting?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What would age have to do with the tobacco plant

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tobacco didn't exist in European culture before the 1500s and the discovery of America, same with potatoes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Okay?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The hobbits were a holdover from The Hobbit when the story was more of a children's fairy tale. There's also mention of pop guns, clarinets, clocks, umbrellas and fricking golf. Tolkien got rid of the hobbits completely for Silmarillion.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why is golf an unrealistic idea? All they have to do is cut the grass short.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          golf is just the idea of hitting a rock with a stick while you're taking a walk on a heath. if anything it's surprising that the sport was only invented once

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      its intentionally written like that

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The hobbits are an anomaly, the actual world of the Legendarium is the mythical time you see in the elf/dwarf/human kingdoms. The elves had magic and lived more in communion with nature, they didn't need mobile phones or trains, not to mention that a lot of the elf kingdoms were destroyed and the remnants were either frozen in time, like Lothlorien, or backwater places, like Mirkwood. Men were constantly hunted and when they did have their own developed place, Numenor, they got uppity and were drowned, then they had to start anew. The dwarves were probably the most technologically advanced, but they were super isolated and ended up dooming themselves.
      The point of Tolkien's work is that the great things, which did not involve evolved machinery, functioned mostly with magic which diminished over time and was eventually replaced with machines. It basically goes from something innate to something external, artificial. Also if you're going to compare it to real life, you shouldn't forget all this evolution happened in the past ~170 years.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >silverware
      So did Late Medieval people
      >potatoes
      They might grow in those lands, nothing to do with technology
      >pipe tobacco
      Neolithic people had pipes, opium was consumed in Neolithic Europe... not exactly a groundbreaking technology

      Tobacco didn't exist in European culture before the 1500s and the discovery of America, same with potatoes.

      Yeah... the Fantasy lands of LOTR are NOT Europe though

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Fantasy lands of LOTR are NOT Europe though
        hear that chuds? That means we can have black dwarf qweens and Black person elves. checkmate racists!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >iron age/medieval
      Pick one. They are eras hundreds if not thousands of years apart.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You moronic homosexuals need to stop fishing for these "gotcha" takes. Tolkien was extremely autistic and has explanations for literally every single one of these:
      >pipe tobacco and potatoes
      Numenorean sailors journeyed to the New World at some point and brought back tobacco and potatoes as trade goods to Middle Earth. At some point both species of plant died out in the Old World before the beginning of our recorded history.
      >waistcoats
      Tolkien is using the conceit as a translator of an ancient text of a dead culture. Words like "waistcoats" and "umbrellas" appear in translation to refer to articles of clothing and tools which fulfilled a similar function while not being literally identical to their modern counterparts.
      >silverware
      Either another example of Tolkien using modern words to refer to ancient analogues or alternatively attributable to the fact that the metallurgical technologies of the men/elves/dwarves of Middle Earth were capable of making such tools. In the latter case this knowledge was simply lost over time before postdiluvian history begins.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This guy knows his Tolkien

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I love how silly Tolkien's Gondolin looks.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >silly
            I think it looks based.
            Tolkien's drawings are infused with so much Soulful and Energetic Delight for his world that I can't look at a single one without feeling his Love.
            The man was a wonder-factory.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Is there a website which has all of his paintings?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah.
                Here:
                https://www.tolkienestate.com/painting/

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                thanks

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Words like "waistcoats" and "umbrellas" appear in translation to refer to articles of clothing and tools which fulfilled a similar function while not being literally identical to their modern counterparts.
        Does this mean the black elves in the new show weren't actually black back in the day either?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Probably not, just like black numenoreons were not literally black its a descriptor of thier allegiance

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Another interesting example of in-Universe Book-Tolkien's translations are character names. Frodo wasn't actually his name; it's an Anglicization of his actual Westron name which would have been pronounced "Maura Labingi."
        Or Pippin's name which was actually "Razanur Tuk." The Westron root of this name (Razan, meaning foreign) was translated by Book-Tolkien into Peregrin (from Latin Peregrinus). Don't underestimate the man's savant-level of autistic attention to detail.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Very stupid, why didn't he just refer to them by their real names? How is "Frodo" an anglicization of "Maura"?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because Frodo is a real name derived from Fróði (Frōda in Old English) that has a meaning (clever in this case) similar to what Maura probably does in Westron.
            It's very autistic but to Tolkien names contain meaning and since the translated work is in English the Westron meanings of the characters' actual names should be considered when adapting them.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              As a real life example of this if we were going to try to translate the English "John" into a completely unrelated language like Chinese we could either just try to find Chinese characters that mimic the phonetic sound or alternatively (and much more autistically) we could try to find the etymological origin of the name and then translate that into Chinese.
              Since "John" derives from an ancient Hebrew name meaning "God is gracious" you would thereby translate that meaning into Chinese to get a functional equivalent.
              I don't speak Chinese so I don't know what it would be but you probably wouldn't end up with anything that sounds similar to the English pronunciation but it would more accurately convey the true "meaning" of the name.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Adding to that, it's important to remember that this extends to translations of Lord of the Rings. Place-names and characters not using their "original" names in the elven languages or whatever else are to be translates just like that to the target language. Tolkien did not approve of the original Swedish translation for example; the first translator came from more of a French tradition which led him to diverge from the original Nordic tone (ironic), and he translated the names to make them sound similar, rather than retain their meaning.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Celeborn's actual name is Teleporno. Not making this up.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >teleporno
            Hehe

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Middle Earth in LoTR and the Hobbit is as close to post-apocalyptic fantasy as you can get. Everything, including Mordor and its allies are a downgrade from previous ages.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What about Shannara? Those books are literally post nuclear holocaust Pacific Northwest.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wheel of time is explicitly post apocalyptic on many levels. Not only from the age of legends down fall, but one of oldest artifacts on record is a Mercedes Benz logo from untold ages ago

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure it is because the wizards conspire to keep the population destitute and feudal.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see the problem.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is a shit map

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Post a better one then.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not him, but

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is this made by Tolkien himself?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Christopher Tolkien drew it

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    All technological progress in middle earth has been backwards, just like in real life.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's a weird map of africa

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's a mythological world you autismo

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >3000 years with no technological advancements?
    >rookie numbers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Too busy getting high and being comfy.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For most of human civilization, "progress" has been a meme. It's only after Europeans spontaneously developed a technological fetish that we ruined everything. This is also the theme of LOTR.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Hobbits are a traditionalist society in which things are passed down from generation to generation and in which change comes slowly, if at all. Any change or new technologies etc. are eyed with suspicion by default.
    >Men are in an eternal existential battle against Sauron and so far have barely managed to hold their ground. They can't afford putting any resources into research to increase their crop yield by .5 % or whatever.
    >Dwarves are the most technologically advanced race, however they focus all of their research on mining and how to get rich even faster. Also they're isolationist, which hampers scientific and technological exchange.
    >Elves are basically the equivalent of a nursing home boomer who looks out the window and is sad and melancholic all day long. Can't expect any progress from them.
    >Orcs are abbo-tier morons. Also, evil cannot create but only copy.

    Further issues:
    >TA Middle Earth is a fallen world in pretty much every aspect. It's basically the post-apocalyptic remnants of past civilizations.
    >Tolkien was a pretty reactonary and throughout his work he portrays change as something that's by default bad and destructive.
    >Tolkien's world is a mythological fairy tale and should be read as such. Kinda like the bible. And why would the bible mention technological advancements? That's not the topic of the story. It's like you were complaining the bible didn't tell you exactly when the Israelites invented the plough or whatever.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The bible mentions the discovery of napththa

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I downloaded music on there

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Orcs are abbo-tier morons. Also, evil cannot create but only copy.
      didn't they created gunpowder and seige weapons

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The White Wizard Sauruman invented gunpowder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      was a pretty reactonary and throughout his work he portrays change as something that's by default bad and destructive.
      This is why Tolkien is excellent as a first book to recommend to a son and daughter. They absorb's Tolkien's Britcath reactionary sense of the world as well as his Milton-like prose which prepares them to read classics

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You must remember that in the LoTR universe there are giant monsters, dragons, trolls, orcs, goblins, supernatural spirits, and far more creatures that will set back technological breakthroughs for centuries on end. There is a reason the Dwarves stay in their mountains, the Elves their woods, the Hobbits their shire. I don't know much about the lore actually but it all seems rather self-explanatory.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    only sauron was all for technological advances. and he was the bad guy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >only sauron was all for technological advances. and he was the bad guy
      Yes, he was.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off, the Germshits are the real orcs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is much better tuhan those dumb maps with square of mountains around Mordor like a fence. Tectonic plates don't work like that. Fantasy maps are so cringe.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The gods sang the world into existance, your argument is invalid.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        kys

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      warned you about h*ngarians bro

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >when you lived in barad dur all along

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    pls bring back surcoats in movies.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I got a VR headset recently and you can download different settings to explore. One was Bag-End. Damn place is so huge with so many rooms that I kept getting lost

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Comfy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >this was an affordable hole in the 90's

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      was this before or after Bilbo returned from Lonely Mountain?

      >this was an affordable hole in the 90's

      kek

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bag End was Bilbo's family home since before he was born

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I got a VR headset recently and you can download different settings to explore. One was Bag-End. Damn place is so huge with so many rooms that I kept getting lost

      That is such a comfy setting. Relaxing and listening to the clocks tick and the fire crackle is heaven.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's the one. I was blown away when I could go outside and explore the shire too

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Where is a bathroom?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tolkien was a Victorian writer, sex and bathrooms didn't exist.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, Bilbo is the Donald Trump of Hobbiton

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Atrium
      Not canon Tolkien would LOSE HIS SHIT seeing this remember no Latin based words

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Where does it lead?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Toilet.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The treasure hoard

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Secret sex dungeon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        There's a Balrog down there

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No wonder every Hobbit wanted Bag end

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I got a VR headset recently and you can download different settings to explore. One was Bag-End. Damn place is so huge with so many rooms that I kept getting lost

      [...]
      That is such a comfy setting. Relaxing and listening to the clocks tick and the fire crackle is heaven.

      no surprise sackville-Bagginses wanted the bag-end so much

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They had cutlery, crockery and glass which require a well developed manufacturing base.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gandalf don't even know how the palantir works, that's how long ago they was made

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And doesn't Saruman live in a tower that they don't have the technology to recreate or destroy?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the works of ancient Numenor were beyond anything men could make in the third age. When the ents attack Isengard they're so strong that they destroy the huge stone ring wall and tunnel easily by hand, like breaking bread crust. But they can't even scratch the tower itself.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If it's not broken, don't fix it. Technology exist to solve problems and they didn't have problems that required new technology.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Mordor is Ottoman Empire
      Makes sense, I always thought the Battle at Pelennor Fields was inspired by the Siege of Vienna, with the Prussians and Poles coming to their rescue like the Rohirrim.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much. It also has elements of Belgrade (the White City).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ATEŞ YAKIN OROSPU ÇOCUKLARI

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you know how the turk came to be? they were greeks, once...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Turkey / Romania / Bulgaria
      >Sauron and orcs
      t..thanks Tolkien

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >spanish don't exist and french are useless in tolkiens world
      10/10 bant

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What are the palantirs then? Plus what technology do you need when you are an immortal elf that can ride horses straight from valinor that go faster than most motorcycles.

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    that was the point, man was in decline for thousands of years

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Orcs are the industrial people as they are suppose to portray human folly in over industrialization and all the "bad" things that came with the industrial revolution
    You do know Tolkien hated the modern human and the elfs are his ideal idea of humans clean and never advancing beyond bow n arrows
    In truth the Orcs are the good guys from a modern perspective in many ways

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the inherently evil subhuman monsters are the good guys from a modern perspective
      Sounds about right

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Did they?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, she has kept her virginity for you.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yeah probably on the way to work

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Initially think this is cute.
      >Then think of all the times this has happened to me throughout my life.
      >"Oh, I'll just get anon to help me. He's big, and strong and dependable. He'll handle it fine."
      >Always end up screwing up dramatically, getting sick, looking like I'm struggling or in some way failing.
      >They quietly stop asking for my help and lose interest.
      >Wonder if I really am a frickup, or on some level I'm intentionally sabotaging myself so as not to be bothered.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They're using you, i dont see the problem. They're the rude ones

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >using you
          Just say "no", lmao, what a fricking pussy.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >ask guy for help (penis in vegana)
        >guy actually does that thing you made up as an excuse
        >no penis in vegana
        >keeps happening
        >ask someone else for help (penis in vegana)

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Great fricking shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I've read somewhere that J.R.R. Tolkien was inspired by the alps when he created middle earth. What's so great about that shit? It's just mountains and grass and Germanic peasants with their weird pygmy dialect.

    Looks boring as frick when I saw it in a movie:

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I did a short four day hike in the Himalayans a few years back. I want to live in the alps, mountains and green vallys are comfy beyond rational thought.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well, do you speak German, Italian or French?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, but I can learn.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I do speak French, what next?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe you read that Rivendell was inspired by Lauterbrunnen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >hrumph Germans are... le BAD hmph

      Sorry Tommy, not everyone lives in a grey third-world shithole without sunshine like you do.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I prefer the sea, but this is gorgeous. I'd stay here for a couple of weeks.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This confuses and scares the average globohomosexual urbanite city dweller

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Heartbreakingly beautiful.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Indeed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nature is great and there are beautiful places in Germany but yeah Germans ARE le BAD.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I- is that an idyllic mountain village full of prosperous, hard-working wypipo?
        >AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHI’MGOINGINSAAAAAAAAAAAAANE!!!
        >SAVE ME, CRACKAHMAN!

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Looks nice but would be greatly improved by a few hundred Africans and a Dollar General

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        WHERE'S THE FRICKING WALMART

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Keep in mind he lived in South Africa and Englan, both countries with no real mountain ranges like the Alps, and to his nordic soul the Alps must look like paradise.
      England is just swampy plains, grassy hills and rocky hills.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      GHROND
      GHROND
      GHROND
      GHROND

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This looks so much more badass than the Jacksom version of thos scene. I love his ROTK for sentimental reasons, but there are ap many swings and misses in that movie. It is absolutely carried by the previous two, Tolkein's writing, and a couple of really strong acting performances.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >hmm what should I do... Gandalf's tense confrontation with the Witch King or a comedy relief moment with some trolls
      Bravo Jackson!

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yeah that was a mistake, and he compounded it by making the Witch King actually win their awkward and shoehorned confrontation in the extended edition.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >The Witch-King shattering Gandalf's staff
          Absolutely pathetic drama created by Jackson and his hack script-writers.

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Better than Game of Thrones Universe when they talk of event occurring like 9,000 years earlier with more or less the same technology

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It was steam not coal

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't we have more popular gunpowder fantasy universes? I really liked that orc cop movie concept. Too bad Will Smith ruined it.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      tank > balrog

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How is this thing and Gandolf the same level of being?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think Gandalf's spirit was nerfed into old man physical form so he wouldn't mog everyone on Middle Earth. His purpose was to nurture and bring the best out of humanity rather than fight their battles for them.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Why did God do this when Melkor let his angel equivalents assume the form of big fire demons that basically mog everything?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Gandalf is a minor god the same as the Balrog, but when the Valar sent him and the other Wizards to Middle-Earth to help unite them and guide them in the right direction and prevent them all from being enslaved by Sauron, they didn't want to repeat the destruction of the War of Wrath so they made them all go as frail old men, not the full power of their forms in Valinor.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget that the whole reason the balrog is in Moria in the first place is because it ran away from the War of Wrath and hid in the darkness.
          When Gandalf invokes the secret fire he's basically saying "I'm one of the guys that nearly exterminated the balrogs last time around. You don't want this fight".
          Unfortunately for both of them the balrog didn't get the message.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I did not forget.
            Hard to imagine what the Balrog was thinking, but it probably was long the lines, "huh that happened 6 thousand years ago, and since then nobody but puny dwarves have even bothered me. This old man is probably bluffing."

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Gandalf killed that thing with lightning and a sword. He threw it down and it smote the mountain in it's ruin.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ever heard of Australian Aboriginals?

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    On the way home, do you think the hobbits stopped by old Tom Bombadils house?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the book that they did.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, but Gandalf did. The hobbits were concerned with the Shire rumors and were eager to eeturn there as fast as possible.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tom didn't help stop the scouring?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Tom was balls deep in Goldberry at the time

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I just read this part in Return of the King and Gandalf said something interesting about Tom Bombadil. They got warned in Bree that there was some trouble in the Shire, and Merry or Pippin said something like 'we'll be fine with Gandalf here' and then Gandalf gave them a Gandalf speech about how his time of setting things right is at an end and they were all strong enough to deal with their own problems now.

      Then he says 'But if you would know, I am turning aside soon. I am going to have a long talk with Bombadil, such a talk as I have not had in all my time. He is a moss-gather, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another.'

      Maybe it's looking too far into what he said since Tom is such a mysterious guy, but it's interesting that Gandalf lumps the two of them together that way.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tom is Eru Himself.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I have always thought of Tom as Tolkien. I suppose in that passage, Gandalf intends to discuss being written out.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's a cool thought but we all know the red book is a real account of pre-history of our planet and Tolkien was probably a distant descendant of Bilbo.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tom Bombadil is an elemental being, in that he is both the world, the animals, Eru, and yet he is none of those.
        Which is sadly why he cares not for politics and only the land.
        Gandalf goes to talk to him because Tom is effectively the same as God. He wants to ensure Tom understands that this land he lives on will no longer be under the protection and people like Gandalf and if Tom wants his beautiful world to stay alive he needs to take up the mantle that is his responsibility.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          People like to over-analyze Tolkien's world and I think most of them are missing the point. Sometimes the unknown should remain unknown; it's a mythological setting filled with legends and contradicting stories. Was Tom Bombadil a maiar, a valar or maybe even Eru himself? I don't really know or care; Tom Bombadil was Tom Bombadil.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, he is supposed to be mysterious because he's like one of those myths or mythical creatures with no discernible background that just pop into legends out of nowhere. I appreciate trying to discover Tolkien's sources, but sometimes it feels like people look too deep into stuff that isn't supposed to be looked too deep into.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I dunno if it's Dungeons and Dragon's fault or something, but people are overly eager in establishing absolute truths for these fictional settings, "canons" etc. despite the works themselves being mythopoeic and not particularly concerned with precision and coherent, but rather deliberately contradicting itself. I absolutely cannot stand Brandon Sanderson's type of fantasy where magic is reduced to engineering - making it, essentially, not magic at all

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Tom Bombadil lives in that very dangerous forest, that would have killed them if Tom hadnt saved them, and they only went there because of the nazgul.. they'd never go there on their way back.

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    But there have been technological advancements. In reality, human agriculture dates back 12,000 years. The Bronze Age and proper civilization came about 6300 years ago. LotR itself describes early industry. Besides, the last half of the Third Era was marked by the decline and end of several major civilizations and the collapse of trade and communication.

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they didn't have a Jesus to break the mymetic cycle

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There weren’t enough dead dinosaurs to burn.

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like Africans

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    isn't that the point?
    it offered idyllic escapism right around when modern technology was presumably associated with wars.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    didnt Saruman tried to industrialized Middle earth but got his ass kicked by the tree people

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      exactly. tolkien didn't hate any type of advancement that could be helpful but the was absolutely anti industrialism and lotr is in big part an anti industrialist story

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >>Over 3000 years of history
    >>No technological advancements
    maybe everyone was black

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cinemaphile owes Amazon an apology

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I love how the Shire and the general northern regions are like a thousand years more advanced than fricking Gondor. Literal Victorian-tier luxuries like pipes and top hats and 18th century architecture. The ruined mines of Moria also point to an industrial revolution of some kind.

    (Reminder that the elves don't treat a lot of their shit/amenities as magic, since they take it in stride. It is only magic to humans. The elvish bar for what is and isn't magic is higher than it is for men. Lembas bread to a human is like giving an Oh Henry bar to a medieval peasant. Tolkien understood Arthur C. Clarke logic.)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it kind of fits since Gondor is actually a decadent society locked in its glorious past and because the north doesn't have to fight orcs often.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The kingdom of arnor was destroyed by the witch King and his hordes of rhudaur hillbillies and orcs. I think Aragorn points out to the Hobbits that the only reason why the shire is so comfy is because of the endless, invisible toil of the dunedain.

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    amazon was right to cast so many blacks

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Technology is evil.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      just trust science chud

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it is not evil per se, but it definitely is born out of evil
      no one invents things without the incentive of another party's loss

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >>Over 3000 years of history
    >>No technological advancements
    Hmm, maybe Middle Earth was filled with black people.

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >main villain is named Sauron
    >powerful wizard who betrays the good guys and joins forces with Sauron is named... SAURON-MAN
    ...
    >the place where the Evil Ring of power was created and destroyed is a volcano named MOUNT DOOM
    ...
    >the evil country is called MURDER
    ...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >it's not an elephant, it's an oliphant!
      Bravo, Tolkien.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think oliphant is just Sam's country speech impediment, he also says 'durstn't'

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >it's not an elephant, it's an oliphant!
      Bravo, Tolkien.

      the books are popular thanks to the trilogy and no one wants to say it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, thank god the movie trilogy finally helped those obscure little books gain recognition after 50 years.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >there is a villain who is an even darker dark lord than Sauron... his name is... MORE GOTH

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >30,000 years of history
    >No technological advancements
    Just because the last 600 years have seen a huge ramping up and increase of technological innovations and inventions, doesn't mean that it is the norm at all. Civilizational progress is the exception. The norm is civilizations rising and falling carrying humans up and down in a cyclical wave pattern.
    For example:
    >the Bronze age collapse,
    >the fall of the Old Kingdom of Egypt,
    >the fall of Nineveh, Babylon, and Sumer,
    >the fall of the Han Dynasty of China,
    >the fall of Rome,
    >the fall of Constantinople
    >the fall of Bahgdad
    >the Black Death
    Each of these events marked very significant downturns in human population and technological and cultural capability in their region.

    In Tolkien's Middle Earth, there were similar cataclysms that brought down more advanced civilizations than those currently existing during the War of the Ring:
    >Fall of Gondolin, Nargothrond, and Doriath and the sinking of all Beleriand
    >Fall of Khazadum and Eregion
    >Sinking of Numenor
    >Fall of Arnor
    >Fall of Minas Ithil
    >Great Plague
    If anything, Tolkien's world view is more consistent with the reality of humanity than your simple idea that time = advancement.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      actually you are just equating downturns in literacy with technology/culture/population. Usually most 'downturns' actually play host to some of the most significant advancements, such as the supposed Bronze Age collapse actually leading to the advent of iron and a boom in population size in a very short timespan leading to cities like Rome. This is why you shouldn't read history as fact, historians don't have any other frame of reference so without archaeology they are limited to describing literacy and bias of surviving sources.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You're a contrarian homosexual.
        Those downturns in literacy absolutely coincided with downturns of population and technology. It's literally proven by field data showing when fields stopped being tilled, and by first hand accounts from later generations wondering who and how could possibly have built the Walls of Nineveh, Aqueducts of Rome, Pyramids of Egypt, etc. from later people whoe were so unable to even consider building such things that they often invented myths of Giants doing so.

        Denying the backslide in technology after huge cataclysms and civilizational collapses is so contrarian, that only a Cinemaphileer could state that with a straight face.

        What you're describing is creative destruction that comes a few generations later where new people invent new things (rediscovering/reinventing some as well) and happen to make some decent progress because the Old Order is no longer in the way.

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      An unparalleled work of beauty.
      A truly inspired magnus opus.
      A masterpiece.

      I would only edit a few scenes like comic relief Gimli and replace the the ghost army's role with Imrahil of Dol Amroth in the entire trilogy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      K I N O
      I
      N
      O

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >No technological advancements
    Did they have glass? If so that puts them ahead of 1800s China. The fact that Saruman thought to use black powder as a bomb also puts them ahead of all non European civilisations on our world.

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There was actually a decline in technological advancement if you'd actually researched this before making this shit bait thread.
    All of Middle Earth's history happened in the extremely distant antediluvean past by our measure. At some point things degraded to the point where our own record of history picks things back up again.

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Look at native North Americans, Africans, Aborigones, and many others to see a parallel.

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Elves and dwarves are set in their ways. Men are the one with the gift of Iluvatar, hence why when the age of men came and the elves fricked off, technology progressed.

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ever heard of China? 6,000 years of history and still living like bronze age people in stick huts until the whites showed up.

  76. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    2000 years after the rise of Mesopotamia Egypt started building the great shinx. 2000 years after that Christianity popped up.

  77. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Took us much longer

  78. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  79. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually 3000 years of regression.

  80. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >every balrog art has to be based on the movie

    Makes me angry. He's described as a shadow man basically.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that a fricking D&D orc? Proof that most artists have no idea what they're drawing when it comes to Tolkien.

  81. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Now THIS is how I always imagined the balrog.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Perfect. It's such a pity that more accurate balrogs are so rare.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Perfect. It's such a pity that more accurate balrogs are so rare.

      Jackson Balrog is way cooler.

  82. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fuzzy

  83. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't orcs have machinery and gunpowder? Which is pretty good considering they didn't really need to innovate in these fields wikce they had trolls to carry shit for them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think only Saruman had gunpowder and his forces were beaten before he could really innovate with it aside from crude bombs. Imagine an army of uruk-hai with muskets and cannons. They could destroy Sauron himself

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, Sauron is the last of the physically manifested maiar in middle earth, he operates on different rules. Who knows what sick tech numenor had.

  84. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No wonder they want to add nogs to the lore to make it more believable

  85. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

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