Pay four fricking billion dollars to buy an existing, extremely loyal fanbase
Then proceed to tell them to frick off in order to try and appeal to completely different fanbase
Like, I just don't know. This level of incompetence is barely comprehensible, especially Disney letting their employees argue with fans on fricking Twitter.
In TFA Rey starts off perfect and she stays perfect for the rest of the movie. She experiences no character growth whatsoever. The heroes journey does not exist for her because she’s already perfect in every way.
In TLJ she’s even more perfect than she was in TFA. In fact she’s so perfect she doesn’t need to be trained. She even attacks and bests her own Jedi master.
People try to compare her to Luke which I'd argue is way better than doing it with Anakin. I agree that some stuff like Luke blowing up the Death Star definitely takes more than "experience with womp rats and a push from Obi Wan," but the difference is that Luke consistently fails at everything besides that up until Return of the Jedi. He needs Obi Wan and Han to help him rescue Leia, he loses horribly to Darth Vader and abandons Yoda's training.
Men become. Women are.
That is to say, men must struggle to develop/achieve their value, while women must struggle to preserve their value.
Rey follows that formula to an extent, but her role as Jedi knight is a masculine one, and she achieved that role with no effort or struggle. Meanwhile, she never embodies any feminine or maternal traits, so she feels weirdly incomplete.
Exactly. And I'm still not sure if Rey is a woman. According to her actions, especially in TROS, she is more of an androgynous android who tries to imitate female behavior, often unsuccessfully.
>Women are.
women are what though? they're naturally attractive to men at a young age but not naturally competent
in fact, women have a lower cap of competency in most things compared to men because they don't have the obsessiveness or attention span
>The heroes journey does not exist for her
I know you will never understand this but it wasn't ever intended to be a heroes journey (it was intended to be a romance trilogy. it got a bit derailed/botched in the rollout)
>but even if they meant for it not to be a heroes journey then they still fricked up because this is star wars it's heroic
hmm like the prequel trilogy? the all out tragedy with no good guys?
The idea was to round out star wars into the most ranging dramatic product of the age
>Hero fairy tale 3 movies
>tragedy 3 movies
>romance 3 movies
and a few comedy movies e.g. solo. It was a noble ambition but Rian got just a touch too smartypants with TLJ and blew the whole thing up
>smartypants on head
Fixed
Rian is moronic
it already meant that
There was no plan.
A romance trilogy could have been good but that's not anything close to what Disney actually delivered. A handful of incoherent sexually charged scenes and an army of shippers in tumbr or wherever they go these days does not make a 'romance trilogy'
>There was no plan
Why should anyone listen to your assertion over mine?
>I know you will never understand this but it wasn't ever intended to be a heroes journey (it was intended to be a romance trilogy. it got a bit derailed/botched in the rollout)
>take a franchise aimed at predominately nerd men
>turn it into trash marketed exclusively for women
that's even worse
> it into trash marketed exclusively for women
That isn't quite right. As you'll note everyone including on here loves the frick out of Kylo ren. His character is the classic, even stereotypical romantic figure from every Bronte novel or 'pirate king kidaps and rapes me' romance novel.
Sure there's shit like 50 shades but there's also Pirates of the Caribbean
no man watches pirates of the caribbean for the romance subplot
studio execs add that shit to action movies to appeal to a broader demographic base (ie the women that see this film with their boyfriend)
who gives a shit man it was nearly 8 years ago already. get over it.
no
We will fight until Disney Dies!
The latest episode of Obi was released last week, genius.
Troonberg
People talk about how Luke was assassinated in the sequels, but rarely about how Leia was shit on
>career fails
>fails to raise her kid
>marriage fails
>is an incompetent “general”
>superman moment is the most memorable leia moment in the sequels and it’s hilarious
>apparently trained as a Jedi but did nothing with it for vague reasons
>begs the galaxy for help against the first order and nobody answers, then lando asks if anyone’s free next weekend for a rebellion and everyone answers so clearly everyone just hated leia
Leia should have either turned into a Jedi or become next in line to be the Supreme Chancellor or the head of the New Republic. Either that or just be a respectable senator like her mother.
I have no clue why they decided to keep in the Leia superman scene AFTER Carrie Fisher died. If they reshot some stuff with Driver and edited it right they could've made an amazing and surprising death instead of.. that. Did Rian want to subvert my expectations of having a single good scene?
The entire ST Kinda went outta the way to shit on the legacy characters from the OT
>Han a complete frickup
>Luke a complete frickup
>Leia a complete frickup but a better jedi then Luke
>entire new Republic is a massive frickup full of incompetence, liberals, and corruption
>Chewie, R2, and C3P0 just exist as background noise
>Millennium Falcon, Chewie, R2, and C3P0 effectively become Reys property by the end of the series
Leia was character assassinated on accident which is hilarious. Luke was so purposely character assassinated that it went full goofy moronic. But Han? They really destroyed Han. In the OT he went from a cynic out for himself, a borderline criminal, into a war hero, a general of a rebellion who saves the galaxy and even saves the hero of the galaxy (Luke). He finally found a family (Luke and Leia) and a choose a life worth living and fighting for.
But then the sequel trilogy happens. We find out Han just randomly fricks off, becoming a dead beat dad, abandoning his wife, his brother, and his son. And why? Well we never get that story! It’s just implies he is a piece of shit who ran off because his son started throwing temper tantrums. The man who charged head first into death stars and whole squads of stormtroopers. The man who leads raids on imperial bases while outnumbered 100 to 1. That guy? He’s afraid of his emo son! He abandons his wife to deal with it! And what does he do? Frick off into obscurity? No! He goes back to.... smuggling?! And smuggling what? Alien monsters! Aka livestock! On the edges of the galaxy! Oh and he owes “kanja club” money!!’ Cause he’s a deadbeat!
Imagine if after WWII if general Patton retired, left his wife and kids, and moved to some third world shit hole to smuggle illegal dogs and ran up a bunch of debt to the mob. Then gets killed by the son he abandoned.
WTF did they do to my boy Han.
the sequel trilogy never had a chance with this kind of shitty setup. it all hinges on Luke, Leia and Han being morons who just kind of sat there and watched as a kid turned into an evil sith
>Han just randomly fricks off, becoming a dead beat dad, abandoning his wife, his brother, and his son
Since when does Han have a brother?
luke
this is proverbial botherhood
>on accident
Fricking burgers. It's BY accident, you illiterate inbreds.
Shut the frick up british b***h. English is our language now
Is it by purpose too, you dickless anglo?
Han's character was doomed in the sequel trilogy regardless since Ford is sick of being tied to SW.
There were plenty of ways they could have written Han out more respectably. In the EU, he's still a general commanding armies. Have him be mopping up the Imperial Remnant when Thrawn or someone like him pops onto the scene and absolutely obliterates the new republic fleet in a surprise attack to show their a threat. Have Han dying to protect others retreating. At least Han goes out in bravery and glory. But nah, they needed them to get back onto the Falcon after losing it to say "we're home".
It'd work better with Fords crankiness to have him be retired running a bar or junkyard with a crippling war injury
Ford has always bugged me. If you read the script and still signed on don't pretend this goofy space shit is beneath you.
Franchises are anti-kino for consumer bugmen, just stop caring and watch something that hasn't been a cash cow since 1977
all this but unironically
THEY CRY NOW?
kek, is there a higher res version?
>Corbyn in
Was never about nogs
Look at that monkey
HAHAHAHAHA
>Pay four fricking billion dollars to buy an existing, extremely loyal fanbase
they just cant help themselves
dead on arrival
rip sgt. johnson
>one of the best black characters in modern gaming
>completely forget he exists
bravo
>star babies still seething years later
KWAB
star wars was never good
wow, you're like...so cool, dude
You are looking at this from a normal person's POV - not a israeli one.
If I had all the money in the world, for example, I would not hesitate to buy CNN - just to close it down and watch it burn.
The israelites didn't buy an IP to make money.
They bought it to deconstruct and dismantle it and to brainwash the fanbase it comes with.
To tell them their time is up.
To discourage and demoralize them.
They don't need a profit. They don't want it.
They spent all that money just so they could tell you that they hate you.
Obi Wan seems like Disney's attempt drive away the last of the die hards. deconstruct and humilate beloved characters to replace them with the Disney approved characters.
this used to piss me off because I still cared but after 8 years of Disney hell, Star Wars is dead. it's gone and so be it, whatever Disney is calling Star Wars can go on without me.
> bad movies make as much money as good movies
this has never been shocking to anyone
It's really simple. Women control a vast amount of disposable income now, and LTGASDFKL$^&* troons have always been narcissistic consumers. When the head positions of production for existing IPs are led by said aforementioned demographics, you end up with what's happening now in all forms of entertainment. Look at the new Matrix.
The PT was fricky and George definitely shit the bed. But the IP didn't feel like it was on the verge of dying off like it is now. Disney can't rely on the nostalgia-bait much longer.
Agenda, pandering and megalomania run the show now. There are too few torchbearers or creatives left in entertainment.
>Women control a vast amount of disposable income now
>now
Always. I have a friend who's very woke and he had a job selling radio advertisments a few years ago (2017-2019). He said literally 70%+ of their advertising was focused on women. And that's not a new thing, women have always spent way more than men. Men mostly use their money for bills, food, booze, and occasionally movies or video games. Just think how many items of clothing you've had for more than 5 years, and how many items of clothing you've bought in the last year. What's changed is that in the last 15 years women have sucessfully been psyopped into adopting the only male identity demographic that actually does spend money on moronic shit: Nerds. C Suite executives stroke their shafts daily to the idea of an army of millions of Female Nerds and just how much moronic crap they're willing to buy. Everything in entertainment becomes more clear when you realize it's because they're retooling to appeal to Woman Nerds.
>everything is a psyop
take your meds, schizos
>I have no counter-argument so I'll just call you names
have a nice day.
You're absolutely right. I'll add that the male disposable income the gap has also increased over the last ~20 years as well, so the corps have to make that ground up somehow. Marketing has always been overly female focused, look no further than soap operas a lingering medium starting from almost a century ago and what purpose they served.
Never said it was a psypo as it's a literal fact who has disposable income and who is the main consumer base. No one called it a psyop in the 2000s when gay shows like Queer Eye revealed how much gay men loved to spend on nonsense and marketing took a big pivot to meet that new base. Like I wrote earlier, soap operas did this for a long time as well. Also it's pretty apparent that nerds and gamers are going trans at an alarming rate, so of course they'll be catered to.
But that's moronic. Male nerds built the culture. Male nerds are the core consumer and demographic of the IP to begin with. Ostracizing loyal fanbases for women who either don't or won't understand it on the same level and abandon it later on is moronic.
It's no longer about long term growth and establishing a loyal market that'll keep buying said products, it's now about the NOW.
Who cares about "insert franchise here" in 5 years when you can make bank now.
Mandalorian was their attempt at fan goodwill but it's apparent Disney wants to shit on any legacy characters they use for OCs and directly connect everything as close as possible to the ST in an attempt to force the fanbase to accept it.
This, it was just another subversion. They could easily make some good stuff, but choose not to.
Absolutely true. I played dnd for years with pirated books and notebook paper. The girls we added to the group in college spent more in six months than our entire crew had in a literal decade. Tshirts, a mini for every character they ever made, moonstone dice.
Oh frick off.
its not incompetence, its just their actual goal isnt what you think it is
Nice
>My dad works at Nintendo
Star Wars hasn't been good since the Ewoks were introduced.
They have the money and they did it. It’s capitalism bro. Don’t like it? Just buy Star Wars or make your own.
It's fan fiction. I never had high hope for it. I didnt really care and I like Star War 1-6
I did think the first movie could have been salvageable with the next 2 but it turned out to be the best one
>Then proceed to tell them to frick off in order to try and appeal to completely different fanbase
Playing devil's advocate here, isn't the Star Wars fanbase old?
I don't know a single person who is 22yo (my age) or younger who cares about the old or new SW. Maybe the Mouse tried to bring new fans or whatever.
one of my cousins fricking loves everything star wars, she's 15. the demo is changing, man. the mouse is working.
I asked my 8 year old if anyone his age in his class even gives a shit about star wars when we were at Walmart the other day picking up some Legos and shit and saw almost an entire fricking aisle dedicated to baby yeed. He said it's gay and for girls and the yeed shit is for toddlers. Bunch of fricking greasy man children in these aisles too, more than kids even what the frick
> Things I Just Made Up: the Novel
sounds like bullshit, i go to walmart all the time and my wife is a latina teacher. star wars used to be super popular with hispanics and right before the first movie she said all kids had star wars backpacks and shit. now no one does. marvel is still sort of popular with them though, especially spider man
The Force Awakens was garbage but even before then KK and Jar Jar literally said we are no longer catering to straight white males. Disney started shouting diversity!!! Merchandise died thereafter.
maybe i didnt make myself clear. my wifes entire class and school are non-white (and a segment that used to love star wars) and they all dont even remember that star wars exists
its nothing but dragon ball super and spider man/marvel now. i expect the marvel mania to die very shortly too and i think it has already started, spider man is the only thing attached to marvel that is still popular
I agree! Star wars merchandise is dead!
Disney hasn't seen merchandise sales enjoyed by Lucas before the buy!
All purchased by out of touch parents who just want their child to have latest thing they saw on TV. give a kid 20 bucks and he's not going to come back with a cape shit backpack and storm trooper action figure
captcha: S0R0S
lmao at this larping gayot.
They should have just had the balls to skip head far enough past the OT they didnt need the original characters beyond a few cameos.
Instead they tried to do both and fricked it up even more than anyone could have thought possible
>The truth is Star Wars fans will glad lap up any diarrhea with "Star Wars" on the package.
Is that why Star Wars is exclusively straight to streaming now since the last 3 movies severely underperformed (one of them outright bombing completely). Not to mention Boba Fett viewership dropped like a rock after the first episode.
> one of them outright bombing completely
Spectacularly not true, even the worst-performing of the sequel trilogy grossed over $1 billion.
> Boba Fett viewership dropped like a rock after the first episode
Except it didn't.
are these inflation adjusted
no
wow so it means fricking nothing
how do you figure?
You are saying the movie is successful because it grossed as much as the OT, but when IV came out movie tickets cost on average $2
why dont people report number of tickets sold more often along with adjusted gross?
Because then hollywood and journalists can't exclaim that the new movie every year is record breaking, because the only reason it's record breaking is inflation
no there are more people in the country now and access to theaters is greater than ever. you would expect number of sales to go up even if popularity was the same. they also have those crazy 50$ 3d rumble seat tickets and shit now too
but taken together with adjusted gross it would give a great picture for how popular a movie actually was
the box office mojo link i posted here
has estimated ticket sales
>the box office mojo link i posted here
>a new hope second highest grossing film of all time has estimated ticket sales
nice. i just looked it up, in 2015 the us had a full 100 million more people in it, about a ~50% increase from 1977 and the original star wars still sold ~75% more tickets than the force awakens
you take a kid shopping and tell them they need a backpack and get them to go pick one out
>https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross_adjusted/?adjust_gross_to=2019
>a new hope second highest grossing film of all time
> You are saying the movie is successful because it grossed as much as the OT
I never said that.
the dollar is worth considerably less than it was 20 years ago.
Feels bad man.
God damn.
You have the one with Yoda and the council? That one hurts extra hard.
This is why women don't understand heroism. This is why men are turning to anime.
its american women, japanese women write good shit, sometimes.
and good hentai, regularly.
What fanbase?
>ackbar dies
Oh wow, I didn't know that. I only care enough to type out this comment though.
Disney is known for making princess movies for girls, their main target audience are girls and trannies. Like what did you expect? Every capeshit/nuWars movie/series will have a stronk female characters princess/Mary sue surrounded by incompetent male characters because they cater to women.
7777, what more of a sign do we need?
Have they even made the money back yet? Kinda sad when you consider they should have done so with the sequel trilogy along.
If you include what they spent on that theme park and hotel... experience... thing. No. They're still a long ways off.
Not to mention that they literally bled money for a full year when covid first hit with all theme parts and restaurants they had just for basic maintenance
Even now most of their shit only operate at half capacity on a good day
people bring this up a lot but there is no way they are even close since one of the first things do go during mishandling is inflated salaries and wasted money. they could have made 5x their initial investment and i wouldnt be convinced they have actually made their money back from seeing how things have been handled
constantly fired talented people to hire dead weight money sinks to hire back talent to try to fix the dead weights shit but never actually fire or stop paying the dead weight because thats bad pr but you already have bad pr so you have to double or triple the size of the pr department and funnel money into it like a tornado but its still not enough and you make so little money on your toys that you literally bankrupt stores who tried to sell it
keep in mind this isnt just a star wars issue, its a disney issue and most of the marvel movies have the same issue like captain marvel for example. eventually disney is going to take the netflix route. everyone knows they are bad at business but they are still able to israelite the israelitemarket to pretend they arent. eventually they wont be able too anymore and they will collapse overnight and it will be too late to change course even though they will try
I have a feeling we are reaching the end of the dog shit, as they already had all this shit close to finished when the pendulum is swinging back. We'll see what happens in the next 5 years but they are experiencing even more backlash and negative PR now after getting fricked in the ass by desantis after they boldy doubling down on their intention to indoctrinate children with troon Black person shit and saying they are basically going to buy off politicians so they can keep doing it
I saw a really good breakdown of the profits and costs for TLJ a few years back. Just for that movie, Disney was deep in the red. Count everything that has happened since then and I doubt they are even close to breaking even.
No! They owe the investors nearly 20 billion!
>Buy Star Wars (and lucasfilm too admittedly) for 4 billion
>TFA, TLJ, AND ROS together make 4.3 billion
>ignoring the cost of making them the ST barely made their money back
>Rogue one is a success (nearly beats ROS box office alone)
>Solo is an abject failure
>Merchandising sales plummet (where the real money lies)
>All the tv shows except Mando are middling at best
>Nobody cares about the ST at all, nobody goes to the parks or their 5000 a night 'luxury' hotel
I would not be surprised if they have not been able to make back 4 billion in the decade since they acquired the most profitable media franchise in the world.
They haven't made their money back. Nor will they ever! Why are you moronic?
Once you understand that the goal is social engineering, it all makes sense.
It's communist infiltration, they are erasing our traditions and history.
>extremely loyal fanbase
stop reading here.
all that wasted money and a dead franchise
may as well be bragging about the number of netflix originals netflix has as some sort of proof of success
ok, i dont mean you any ill will either. in my opinion you are wrong though. everything they do fails and all the die hard fans i know irl dont even bring it up anymore out of embarrassment and will get angry at me if i mention it at all since they interpret it as gloating (i told everyone disney was going to destroy the franchise)
the same thing happened with game of thrones. normies have dysfunctional brains
>Disney's making money
No they're not. They borrowed 4 billion from investors. That's upwards of 20 billion in today's money.
Before Disney Lucas' Star Wars merchandise made Billions yearly. Disney's banking on Black Rock bailing them out!
The already existing fanbase will buy it because they liked the previous thing. They are already a guaranteed sale.
Stop fricking paying for things just because you liked the previous things.
it's in the dialogue in one of those movies, probably the second one
>"kill the past. kill it good if u have to." -rylo kiley
Grab some snacks and pop this into the blu-ray player.
Demoralization.
God I hate israelites
Say her full name.
Ray Palpatine Skywalker-Solo
He thought he was the han of the sequels but he was the chewbacca/jar jar
> Like, I just don't know. This level of incompetence is barely comprehensible, especially Disney letting their employees argue with fans on fricking Twitter.
Billionaire executives don't see the fans as people or human just cattle to use and make money off. They will double down and make the wrong choices over and over again. Kathleen Kennedy should logically be fired but in the head of the billionaire executives the fans are just moronic cattle and so she will be kept around. Movies are a money laundering scheme as well.
Disney's incompetence in managing its Star Wars property would be puzzling if one assumes that Disney is run by a group of moderately intelligent people who have the interests of their company at heart.
Which is absolute nonsense, of course.
One part of Disney management is a group of nearly brainless, extroverted egomaniacs who reached their current positions through luck, infighting, and corruption. Their only interest is self-glorification and dolling out rewards to their equally brainless followers.
Another part of Disney management are the soulless bean-counters who believe that predictable profits are almost as great a good as greed. Art is meaningless to them. They want to make money. Conservative money.
The idea of the company's good is lost in the struggle between these groups. In the end, both sides really only care about personal profit, and will frick over everyone and everything -- including Disney itself -- to obtain it. This is a fairly common attitude in corporate America today, where executives will do ridiculously destructive things to their companies just to pump up the stock price for a quarter or two, giving them just enough time to dump the stock with which they are inevitably paid.