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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based. What's your favorite arc and whats your favorite issue?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's still the trigon arc tbh. Especially Titans vs the Fearsom Five.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        terror of trigon was the best shit i have read in years

        anyone talking shit about the NTT has probably not read it

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dope run.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legitimately mediocre.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not quite as good as everyone remembers but it's miles ahead of the slop that's coming out now and was, for a brief moment, the biggest comic in the world. Gotta give 'em credit.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this has aged pretty well

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, it's terribly unfunny.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The last two comics were her resisting becoming a villain for publicity, and failing to use sex appeal for publicity. And if that's not a good note for her to go out on, I don't know what is.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You just have the sense of humor of a teenage girl.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely hate everything from Wolfman I've tried. I don't think he was ever very good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What writers do you like and what did you hate about it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adventures of Superman is when the writing was on the wall for me. His Batman run was a little better I thought but still mediocre. Crisis was genuinely good though.

      I think Perez ended up being a better storyteller and idea guy in general. His Wonder Woman still holds up to this day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If nothing else, I'll give Wolfman props on maybe being the last guy to genuinely try making the Joker unpredictable. There's an issue of the Deathstroke solo where he genuinely acts as a guardian angel for a little girl whose dad is a corrupt mayor.

      But yeah, dude cannot write more than two-and-a-half distinct Hero voices, which is kind of a problem on a fricking seven-hero team.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One of the most shit writers to ever do it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Tomb of Dracula seems like an exception in his bibliography, though I haven't read any of his work

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wolfman is a basically a lesser version of someone like Nicieza. I'm actually mystified by his run's popularity considering Claremont and Levitz/Giffen were doing the same thing at the same time but way better. Wolfman's run basically feels like a poor imitation of what made those books great. I suspect the actual draw was Perez's art (and I'd bet he was doing a lot of co-plotting as well or at least contributing more than just drawings) but I have no idea how the sales were after he left.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I suspect the actual draw was Perez's art
          absolutely
          plus the characters
          the plots are mind numbingly stupid

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure but are there any sales figures or anecdotes of what sales were like after Perez left? Because if there was a dropoff (beyond it being moved to a direct market exclusive when it relaunched as NTT) then I think it shows where the actual draw of the series was.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              hard to tell because direct market meant lower sales anyway. then there's unlikable characters (like chase). plus the expected attrition. perez's return didnt move the needle either. it was never #1, being beaten by secret wars, byrne's superman and x-men.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >LE HECKING CLAREMONT
          coming from the kino minirun of Adams with the Sauron story , early Claremont was dogshit and boring as hell.
          The fetish bait moments was when the story improve and even then was the worst team in the 80s , Stern Avengers , Legion and Byrne FF was better. Hell NTT and GLC were better

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Byrne FF
            Shit taste.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol
            lmao even

            I'll give you Claremont's run didnt really start until Protheus but still you are a tasteless homosexual

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wolfman is a basically a lesser version of someone like Nicieza.

          This might be the hardest to defend opinion that I've ever seen posted on Cinemaphile.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why? Nicieza is perfectly solid writer while Wolfman coasts off of a run that is wildly overrated in hindsight.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              New Warriors was such a groundbreaking watershed moment in comics history. Night Thrasher was a character concept that deserves to be remembered alongside Rocket Racer, the other black kid on a skateboard, and Mr. Immortal, the other guy who throws tantrums and has to be calmed down by a female teammate. And it was such a brave step to have Richard Ryder, the original Nova, start calling himself Kid Nova, like he was his own sidekick.

              Fabien Nicieza is certainly a solid... something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                New Warriors, Thunderbolts and Cable and Deadpool alone but him above Wolfman. Nicieza did with Zemo what Wolfman tried to do with Deathstroke but way better by having him actively confront and then grow beyond shit like his Nazi past. Also helps that Zemo never groomed a 14-year-old girl.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let's not pretend that turning Baron Zemo into an antihero was any less stupid than turning Deathstroke into an antihero.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But the entire point of Zemo being an anti-hero was that he was still a giant butthole with an even bigger ego who schemed and keikakued so much that nobody trusted him and he was an antagonistic presence as much as he was a good guy. He was basically Ozymandias, a pompous dickhead who truly wanted to save the world but self-absorbed enough to believe only he can do it instead of being a one note villain motivated mostly by revenge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zemo being turned into a generic b-list bad guy again was so infuriating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, Brubaker's Cap run is bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zemo and Scarlet Spider should start an encounter group for ex ex villains.
                But seriously, Magneto can get fricked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was forced to call Kid Nova because they had given the name to Frankie Raye, who was herald of Galactus and it wasn't until the end of the first year of the book that Fabian was allowed to call Nova Nova again (and give him his old costume back).

                Also, Night Thrasher was never a skateboarding character. He used the skateboard only once (in his first appearance in Thor) and in the main book, was fricking Black Batman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I distinctly recall him fighting The Punisher with a razor sharp skateboard.
                He's the Night THRASHER, he's a fricking edgy black skateboard kid. And DEAD.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not anymore. They used time travel to save him and Namorita (who sadly is even more fishlike).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Namorita likes fish sticks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does she like to put them in her mouth?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Nicieza is perfectly solid writer

              This might be even dumber than the other post.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's right though. For some reason some of the guys who were meat and potatoes cape book writers of the 80s get celebrated like they were something special and superior to the meat and potatoes cape book writers of earlier and later decades, the 90s ones like Nicieza aren't noticeably worse, but they don't just get no respect, people keep reeeing about them because of general seething about 90s Marvel and DC.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The meat and potato/jobber writers of the '90s and laters don't get the same praise because they don't have a "genre defining top selling run" to their name even though, again, NTT got to that via Wolfman ripping off what Claremont and Levitz were doing while being hard carried by Perez's art and co-plotting. Once Perez leaves and it's pure Wolman, the book immediately goes to shit introducing garbage like Danny Chase and the DEATHSTROKE DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ NOBLE THE WHOLE TIME AN SHIIIIIEEEEEEET TERRA WAS JUS A bawd.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >DEATHSTROKE DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ NOBLE THE WHOLE TIME AN SHIIIIIEEEEEEET TERRA WAS JUS A bawd.
                Wolfman really needs to have the cops called on him or something. First he marries Donna Troy to his self-insert and then he makes excuses for a pedo like Deathstroke.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The meat and potato/jobber writers of the '90s and laters don't get the same praise because they don't have a "genre defining top selling run" to their name even though
                As time goes on, it's harder and harder to do a genre- or character- defining run on a book when the genre and the characters are all pretty well defined already. And plenty of those 90s books sold very well, nobody likes to talk about how Uncanny X-Men's best sales were apparently when Scott Lobdell was writing it.

                The point is that a lot of those 80s guys get vastly overrated for what those comics actually were, while dismissing earlier or later writers who were really no better or worse, because a lot of the fandom got started back then, and the fandom is still dominated by a lot of 80s guys singing the praises of Claremont and Stern, but conflicted about Wolfman and Byrne. Not even hating on them, they wrote perfectly solid superhero comics of the time, but people fanboy way too hard for what it actually was.

                >TERRA WAS JUS A bawd
                Waifugays are gonna keep seething about that forever, huh? Can't we just have Deathstroke as a pedo, Terra as a bawd, and together they fight Teen Titans?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lobdell is an actual hack though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the way Priest did ti was fine. Slade is a groomer and his grooming wasn't born so much out of love of dicky but him being a sociopath who manipulates and uses everyone around him. Terra's still an unstable b***h with a daddy fetish who wanted to bone him but Slade is a scumbag who willingly fed into it and still kissed and fricked a 14-year-old girl simply to feed into her delusions and make her more loyal to him so he could accomplish his own goals without really caring about what happened to her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Can't we just have Deathstroke as a pedo, Terra as a bawd
                No. You weirdo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They could double date with Hal Jordan and Arisia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >DEATHSTROKE DINDU NUFFIN HE WUZ NOBLE THE WHOLE TIME AN SHIIIIIEEEEEEET TERRA WAS JUS A bawd.
                Wolfman really needs to have the cops called on him or something. First he marries Donna Troy to his self-insert and then he makes excuses for a pedo like Deathstroke.

                >The meat and potato/jobber writers of the '90s and laters don't get the same praise because they don't have a "genre defining top selling run" to their name even though
                As time goes on, it's harder and harder to do a genre- or character- defining run on a book when the genre and the characters are all pretty well defined already. And plenty of those 90s books sold very well, nobody likes to talk about how Uncanny X-Men's best sales were apparently when Scott Lobdell was writing it.

                The point is that a lot of those 80s guys get vastly overrated for what those comics actually were, while dismissing earlier or later writers who were really no better or worse, because a lot of the fandom got started back then, and the fandom is still dominated by a lot of 80s guys singing the praises of Claremont and Stern, but conflicted about Wolfman and Byrne. Not even hating on them, they wrote perfectly solid superhero comics of the time, but people fanboy way too hard for what it actually was.

                >TERRA WAS JUS A bawd
                Waifugays are gonna keep seething about that forever, huh? Can't we just have Deathstroke as a pedo, Terra as a bawd, and together they fight Teen Titans?

                Honestly i wonder what things would be like if you never had Deathstroke and Terra frick each other. You can keep everything but that one thing, then what changes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nicieza was the X-books that you could skip to save money in the 90s because they were the boring lame ones, but still much better than any Teen Titans comic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's horrible, hiding bad ideas behind wordy captions and colan's art

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Terrible post. Tomb of Dracula is fantastic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His Vigilante run is incredible. The Peacemaker show did Adrian Chase dirty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vigilante has a kino ending.His GL and NTT were good
      His Spiderman made people seethee even more than Slott or Wells runs for no reason.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wolfman didn't write the ending to Vigilante, he left after like 20 issues. Kupperberg took over during that Nightwing feature and wrote till the end of the series.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't Alan Moore write an issue?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, it was a story about a hooker or something and Adrian is pretty much portrayed as an incompetent buffoon whose presence and actions do nothing but make everything worse because Moore was very subtle about what he thought regarding murderous characters like him and Punisher.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought the issue was about the MCs daughter? Or was that someone else?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You sound like you didn't like the story. Although Wolfman didn't start out that way, the book evolved into a deconstruction of the Punisher archetype. Moore's issue was good.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Confusing details. A child molester kills his ex-wife while trying to kidnap his daughter he went to jail for sexually abusing. The mom called Vigilante (who prosecuted her husband) for help when she first learns of her husband's release from jail via "good behavior" release due to prison overcrowding prior to being killed.

              The kid ends up protected by two hookers while fleeing for her life, while Vigilante tracks the dad down as well. One hooker is a b***h but the other is nice to the kid; the nice hooker is murdered by the dad who kidnaps the kid after locating her, leaving the b***h hooker and Vigilante to team up to rescue the kid (Vigilante) and avenger her friend (the b***h hooker).

              While held captive, the dad tortures his daughter into becoming obedient to his every whim and that anyone else will harm her and that she has to trust only him and hate everyone else.

              When Vigilante and the b***h hooker confront the dad, Vigilante is overpowered forcing b***h hooker to have to kill the dad, who's last act is to demand his daughter use his gun to shoot the b***h hooker and Vigilante. The father dies and the kid is about to kill the b***h hooker but is talked down by Vigilante, before collapsing and going irreversibly catatonic from the horrors she has endured.

              The kid is taken to a hospital for warehousing since she's comatose and Vigilante informs the b***h hooker that she's been named the number one suspect in her fellow hooker's death even though Vigilante knows she's innocent. This combined with no one knowing what the kid will say when or if she ever wakes up, leads to Vigilante allowing the hooker a head start to flee the state.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Kupperberg run on Vigilante really has aged better than Wolfman's.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      New Teen titans does not hold up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every time I try and read it I'm put off by the egregious number of words on every page.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly this is the Superior version of Xmen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      X-Men, Titans, and Legion of Super-Heroes are all shit.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Great run. Wolfman was also awesome on Tomb of Dracula and some other stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wolfman was also awesome on Tomb of Dracula
      Funny.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tomb of Dracula has so wild swings in quality where I can’t tell if it’s because of censorship or whatever causing problems or Wolfman just winging it because he didn’t plan ahead much. Still pretty entertaining book for the most part.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, Wonder Woman tells Raven to frick off, so she makes her own JLA with blackjack and hookers.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are some okay parts but it’s not that amazing and it’s thanks to Perez’ art that makes it readable.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Valentino knew the score.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So it's Storm of the X-Men and Starfire of the Teen Titans, but who's the third one meant to be?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the third team was the DNAgents.
        They've kind of been forgotten. Last time I saw them was Savage Dragon's wedding issue, and I think they were mistaken for the Next Men, lol.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think Halo from the Outsiders?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aleta, that chick who turns into Starkhawk in the Guardians of the Galaxy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, dumbass, I told you, it's the DNAgents. Valentino did GOTG years after Normalman, and he wasn't taking a shot at his own character in his own book, AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They dont look like the Guardians of the Galaxy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Martinex
            Frick off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where is this from? Mad magazin?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Normalman, an 80's indie parody comic by Valentino, the guy who did Shadowhawk for Image.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These costumes are goofy as frick

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    4/10 comic.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's fricking great. I should reread it

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The most interesting part of this run is Marv Wolfman acting out his wish of dating Wonder Girl via his shitty stand-in character

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion was infinitely better.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse to read anyone that dresses like this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Flaunt it if you got it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's gay

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and? Sorry we're not your /misc/ hugbox.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are those canonically flesh colored tights, or did he really have his legs out?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried to re-read it recently and just couldn't get through it. With the joy of reading the book for the first time long behind me, the only thing I could focus on were Marv Wolfman's shortcomings as a writer.

    The George Perez art still holds up though.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best comic I've read most recently was Kraven's Last Hunt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought that one was disappointing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Really?
        I was kind of blown away. In both subject matter and presentation it stands far apart from what every other Spidey comic was doing at the time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's true.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think Kraven's Last Hunt is the closest Marvel came to match Alan Moore's work, for better or worse (no Marvel UK don't count)

      >Steve Gerber's tenure on Howard The Duck and Man-Thing
      >Kirby's The Demon & OMAC
      >70's/late 80's Judge Dredd

      I usually try and read these once a year, sometimes more. I read Howard fairly often in High School (still think Colan's artwork reads better in B&W. Had the Essentials volume) and know most of it like the back of my hand, same with Dredd

      My appreciation of Man-Thing and The Demon are more recent, but man Gerber and Kirby get them so right and are just absolute joys to read. It's still weird to me that Kirby wasn't particularly invested in writing the Demon because it doesn't show at all

      OMAC is so fricking good

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OMAC is so fricking good
        Not really.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did it take so long to have a Robin costume that doesn't look moronic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Previous Robins were attempting to hide their boners by drawing attention elsewhere, or causing onlookers to reflexively cringe away.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Previous Robins were attempting to hide their boners by drawing attention elsewhere, or causing onlookers to reflexively cringe away.

      They reason why Robin didn't wear pants was because he looked more like an actual circus acrobat
      It's like why Superman wears trunks on the outside, it was meant to evoke strongmen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >straightest costume
      >gayest Robin
      Funny how that works.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Steve Gerber's tenure on Howard The Duck and Man-Thing
    >Kirby's The Demon & OMAC
    >70's/late 80's Judge Dredd

    I usually try and read these once a year, sometimes more. I read Howard fairly often in High School (still think Colan's artwork reads better in B&W. Had the Essentials volume) and know most of it like the back of my hand, same with Dredd

    My appreciation of Man-Thing and The Demon are more recent, but man Gerber and Kirby get them so right and are just absolute joys to read. It's still weird to me that Kirby wasn't particularly invested in writing the Demon because it doesn't show at all

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really? I can't even get through them once.
      There's so much good stuff to read, and these comics aren't it.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barretto's Raven
    yum

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Comic Raven looked like a haggard meth addict.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only when Perez drew her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she really is hot as frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she really is hot as frick

      It's a sexy kind of adorable that makes me think of Disney's Belle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          It's a sexy kind of adorable that makes me think of Disney's Belle.

          For me it's the seductive white dress

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who needs panties? Raven sure doesn't.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              FLAT

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who needs panties? Raven sure doesn't.

            Looks even better from the back.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Barreto drew the best Raven.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          It's a sexy kind of adorable that makes me think of Disney's Belle.

          She looks like a drag queen, are you guys serious?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you serious?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sharp cheekbones are not attractive in comic books as they always make women look like hags.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't look like a hag, though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you told me that was supposed to be a "teen" then I would't believe you. She looks like she's 40.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the youngest looking 40 year old I've ever seen. She looks 20.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adding to this it ran during a different time period.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mindbroken by discourse

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Underrated coomer material.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just started reading it after seeing this long Twitter thread comparing NTT and Uncanny X-Men. I couldn't finish a single issue of X-Men, but NTT is incredible so far and its been interesting realizing how accurate the show was to some of their personalities, I hear a lot of the 2003 cast while I'm reading.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One concern thatvI had growing up was that the staff behind TT 2003 hated the source material and wanted to fix it.

      Thankfully that wasn't the case. In fact, Perez is one of Murakami's heroes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I really doubt Murakami pitched a TT show without being a fan of the only successful TT comic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >One concern that I've had growing up was that the staff behind TT 2003 hated the source material and wanted to fix it.

        It was kinda weird. Glen didn't hate the source material, obviously. But Sam Register (the executive producer of the show and the current president of CN/WB Animation) had a kinda weird relationship with it.

        Basically, Teen Titans was his pet project. The moment he got promoted he basically convinced everyone to do a Teen Titans show because that's the comic he grew up and was salty the JL had a cartoon but TT didn't.

        But then he had weird notions about the Titans. He wanted to keep them simple for kids. That's why you never see them wearing anything that's not their superhero clothes or why they are never called by their real names. He also banned Batman or the JL from ever appearing on the show to not make the Titans seem like sidekicks and he also *hated* that there were multiple Robins in the comics (to him, Robin is not Dick, Tim or Jason, he is just "Robin"). Granted, I guess this last one was more understandable back then because the three robins were frankly pretty interchangeable.

        Granted, the show was a big success so it's hard to say it didn't work out.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know what, I can buy this. I have a collection of quotes from the creators and reading it, and reading them I get impression that the show wasn't exactly easy to make. Even Glen wanted to do more with TT.

          In fact, given how long the Tie in comic for it lasted, I get the feeling they used it to cover what couldn't be done in the show.

          That said despite the shortcomings, I still like the cartoon alot. I remember my dad getting me a DC guide fkr christmas abd the first thing I did was look up each member of the Titans (and their villains). I did read the NTT eventually.

          Sorry for the long essay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, the first two seasons of Young Justice, which was also produced by Register, never had those restrictions. Quite the opposite, in fact.

            So I wonder if Register dropped those restrictions after TT or if he just wanted YJ to be the opposite of TT in many ways.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Who knows whats going on with Sam Register

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also in my mind Kari Wahlgren is Donna Troy.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I re-read Team Titans for the first time in ages over Winter Break (picked up the full run from the dollar bin).

    I really wish the book would have done more with the reveal that Hank Hall/Monarch was the leader of the Team Titans and the implications he was involved in a temporal cold war with Donna's kid as far as both trying to rewrite the past so the future would be theirs.

    Also, done more with the idea of there being like a hundred plus Team Titans. Some of those guys had great designs and it's a shame that they plus the rest of the core Team Titans squad (save for Terra and Mirage) were all killed off during Zero Hour and killed off off-panel at that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hated the idea of them all just being evil time clones or something and getting erased except Terra II and Mirage who they did nothing with. Well in Mirage's case it's because her raping Dick pretty much destroyed her chances of ever appearing again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They weren't time clones so much as people who blinked out of existence when their timeline ceased to exist via temporal frickery from when a group of heroes delayed Hank and Hal from erasing the OG Legion 30th Century during Zero Hour.

        Also, still wondering what the frick was up with Terra II and why they didn't just make her the original Terra. IIRC didn't they eventually make her a nameless mole person from the same race that Terra III sent to the surface turned into Terra's double because they honestly thought having an emissary look like a dead "hero" (as they didn't know Terra was evil) was a good idea to make friends with surface worlders?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Terra II's status was always left ambiguous but the evidence constantly pointed to her being the real deal with amnesia which meant she alwaya had her sins weighing on her. Then she was pointlessly killed off during 52 and Atlee showed up and Palmiotti/Connor retconned her as being some random girl from Atlee's society who was given false memories and genetic modification for some reason and escaped. It was done to push Atlee but nobody cared because Atlee was whatever and I don't think has shown up since Winnick took over the series pre-Flashpoint.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, done more with the idea of there being like a hundred plus Team Titans. Some of those guys had great designs and it's a shame that they plus the rest of the core Team Titans squad (save for Terra and Mirage) were all killed off during Zero Hour and killed off off-panel at that.
      I read through NTT for thr first time a few years ago and the Team Titans stuff was kind of hard to get through but I warmed up to the characters in the end. It was sad to see them just get erased in Zero Hero

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I re-read Team Titans for the first time in ages over Winter Break (picked up the full run from the dollar bin).

        I really wish the book would have done more with the reveal that Hank Hall/Monarch was the leader of the Team Titans and the implications he was involved in a temporal cold war with Donna's kid as far as both trying to rewrite the past so the future would be theirs.

        Also, done more with the idea of there being like a hundred plus Team Titans. Some of those guys had great designs and it's a shame that they plus the rest of the core Team Titans squad (save for Terra and Mirage) were all killed off during Zero Hour and killed off off-panel at that.

        Team Titans needs to make a comeback with an updated roster. Considering how much alt timelines and parallel universes have become more widespread in DC comics, something interesting could be done with Lord Chaos.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People say this about Legion of Superheroes occasionally too, but the main issue is that Detective Comics Comics no longer has the talent and editorial to make decent comics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It had talent, just that most of them want just to write Batman or Harley
            Say what you want about Williamson , Soi Waid or Adams, but they like Flash and Superman.
            Marvel also has that problem , I think is worse because most of the talent don't want to write a Hero but a MCU version of the hero

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here's your updated roster bro

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, that's an awful Teen Titans roster that failed in the comics.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why did it fail?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damian was a terrible leader who kept mistreating everyone. Things got much worse later after Raven, Beast Boy and Starfire left the team.

                Make Lord Chaos kind of like Infinite Crisis era Donna Troy, someone who survived multiple universe resets and has full knowledge of DC cosmology? He's a time traveling supervillain like Per Degaton except his goal is to fix continuity to what he thinks it should be. Team Titans is the group of modern day Titans that goes off to stop him.
                Use it as an excuse to show off what-if style alternate versions of the Titans and have newer Titans like Ravager interact with the silver and bronze age versions of the main team.

                I'd probably use a similar premise to the original Team Titans: Lord Chaos is a multiversal threat, to prevent him from wreaking havoc in the current timeline, a third-party (who may or may not have a secret agenda of their own) recruits some Titans and other characters to stop him.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the better thing would basically be to make it something like OG Thunderbolts. The Team Titans are criminals/villains pulled from alternate timelines by Lord Chaos, brainwased into believing they're heroes from the present setting to act as sleeper agents. But, like Thunderbolts, this is revealed early on via the characters learning it and the thrust of the book is about the push and pull between those who want to take the chance to reform, those who are only being heroes for self-serving reasons, and those who revert back to their old ways which then includes a subset of those who want to do things on their own terms vs. acting as Lord Chaos' soldiers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That would be cool. Talon Dick. Blackfire. Ravager (Grant). Evil Raven.

                Are those canonically flesh colored tights, or did he really have his legs out?

                That's all skin.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That would be cool. Talon Dick. Blackfire. Ravager (Grant). Evil Raven.
                I'd mostly just keep them as OCs or takes on some of the original Team Titans character except in the case of one or two characters being alt-timeline versions of known characters. Maybe Grant Ravager or something and the big reveal being that, I don't know, Starfire is actually one of Chaos' soldiers, replacing the real Starfire who (for now) is retconned out by her thanks to his time shenanigans making her not just some new hero but a true sleeper agent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Damian was a terrible leader who kept mistreating everyone. Things got much worse later after Raven, Beast Boy and Starfire left the team.
                Blame the writer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damian is an awul character though and always has been, even under Morrison.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dan Didios strongest warrior

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Make Lord Chaos kind of like Infinite Crisis era Donna Troy, someone who survived multiple universe resets and has full knowledge of DC cosmology? He's a time traveling supervillain like Per Degaton except his goal is to fix continuity to what he thinks it should be. Team Titans is the group of modern day Titans that goes off to stop him.
          Use it as an excuse to show off what-if style alternate versions of the Titans and have newer Titans like Ravager interact with the silver and bronze age versions of the main team.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So when DC inevitably starts churning out DC Finest volumes of New Teen Titans, should DC start for the upteenth time and start at the beginning of New Teen Titans series (since the trades are starting to go out of print and sell for $50+ a pop) or should they pick up where the trade series ended and start with New Titans #50?

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can we just take a moment to admire George Perez' God-given gift for drawing rubble?
    No one ever drew rubble like Perez. Van Gogh had his sunflowers, Warhol his soup cans, Bob Ross his happy little clouds, Perez was the absolute master of rubble.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still miss him, honestly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Can we just take a moment to admire George Perez' God-given gift for drawing rubble?
      His gift for drawing hair is at least as good, maybe better, and looking at comics waifus' hair brings you more joy than looking at rubble. Nobody drew long flowing hair and detailed, intricate curls like Perez.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poor man's New Mutants. Broke man's Legion of Superheroes.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cute in a waify way

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no obsessed Raven gf who thinks about you literally every single moment

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't bother using multiversal variants or existing characters for a Team Titans revival when you have like 40-50 (that were established) characters who are literal blank slates you could do pretty much whatevery you want with. There was the Judge and Jury (a group of skull mask wearing serial killer types that were a death squad), an all girl punk band who piloted their own giant mecha robot, along with a bunch of other characters who were just a bunch of character designs created by Phil Jimenez and Bryan Hitch that were basic blank slates.

    As for Lord Chaos in general, I'd treat him as the way DC treats the Great Disaster (which only happens in a multiversal setting). Lord Chaos's future is the alternate to the future where Monarch/Hank Hall rules the world and Hank Hall's in a temporal cold war trying to restore his future since if he doesn't kill all of the heroes and take over, Lord Chaos will instead kill all of the heroes and take over and unlike Lord Chaos, Hank and the Titans consider the Monarch timeline to be the lesser evil.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: Cyborg's first appearance was in October 1980, making it 43 years, 6 months, and 30 days of him never having a single good costume.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or being a character anyone's ever given a shit about.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was always a big fan of the Atlantis Chronicles. It's the post-Crisis backstory for DC's Atlantis, and it has a lot going for it:
    >rough and imperfect characters, even the heroic King Orin cheated on his wife and was more a technocrat than a great warrior
    >even the villainous Kordax has some sympathetic qualities
    >classical fantasy story in an underwater setting, which is what I mainly want from Aquaman
    >gorgeous art
    It's kind of a shame, but this is probably my favorite Aquaman comic, and he's not even in it. The author, Peter David, famously wrote the 90s Aquaman run where he has the beard and hook-hand, and even that wasn't as good as the Atlantis Chronicles IMO.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also I've seen morons say the Priest version tries to portray it as Terra still being in the wrong but she's not because even if she's the one who first tried to instigate things, Slade is still the one with power in their relationship and the one who, again willingly, did everything he did with her of his own free will. She was never actually in control and there was nothing she could have forced him to do that he didn't want to do. She's still ultimately portrayed as a victim of him because she was already messed up and he intentionally made her even worse so she'd be more pliable and valuable as a weapon and sleeper agent as part of his revenge plot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes....victims don't get saved. In fact, they can get worse.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also as far as character and genre defining runs being harder to come by, I think the only thing I've gotten that from in the last maybe decade or so is MacKay's Moon Knight stuff which is doing a good job of drawing on and streamlining the past takes on the character into a coherent whole while carving out his own idea as Moon Knight being a guy who, for lack of a better way of saying it, deals with the freaks who come out at night whether it's weird gangsters or low rent (but still dangerous) supervillains or monsters or whatever. Like technically it's a street level book but with stories about a normal vigilante woman who dies but through the power of urban myth lives on as a god.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MacKay's Moon Knight
      That run is pure garbage.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swamp think

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're wrong.

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