People to this day hold on to their fan theory that the meteor was false flag for some moronic reason
People to this day hold on to their fan theory that the meteor was false flag for some retarded reason
People to this day hold on to their fan theory that the meteor was false flag for some moronic reason
libs gonna lib
It obviously was
Stob being moron.
nothing in the movie suggests the bugs have the capabilities to launch a fricking meteor at Earth.
except that they are a space-travelling planet conquering empire with leaders that have the intelligence of several adult humans
serious question, were the asteroids they sent pushed into hyperspace? how did they reach earth so fast?is it something explained in the book?
I always took it that the producers had no concept of of the scale of space. It was the 90s and "hard" sci-fi movies regularly broke laws of physics and scale without 2 million Redditors sperging out.
The film is basically nothing like the book. The book is all about power armor, Rico's training from a boy into a soldier, and Heinlein's political philosophies of humanity united in a multi-cultural meritocratic world order dealing with the realities of contact with hostile alien species.
>"hard" sci-fi movies regularly broke laws of physics
then they're not hard sci-fi. do you talk exclusively out of your ass? have you even read the book?
>I always took it that the producers had no concept of of the scale of space
This. Movie makers of all stripes don't understand space. Another example: The Force Awakens
>then they're not hard sci-fi
hence why hard was in quotes you dicksplash
>Heinlein's political philosophies
it was him spitballing a hypothetical society, just like his other books with their own strange societies.
The only time you can detect his personal opinions in SST is when he mocks the inefficiency of "old" armies (the ones we have today) where you need 10 logistics jobs to let 1 man fight.
also it wasn't a meritocracy, in fact when Rico trains to become an officer later his instructor deliberately tears down that delusion. The society is rewarding selflessness and soft collectivism, not merit. They demand excellence only after you've proven yourself, 90% of the government jobs they offer are deliberately softball throw-away positions.
The government is not a meritocracy. Anyone can earn the right to vote and only the right to vote is reserved. Earning the right to vote takes signing up for any service the government needs because the whole point is that you need to be willing to put the good of everyone else before your own. Anyone willing to self sacrifice for the good of humanity is qualified to vote.
The reason Rico becomes a soldier is he is just a dumb jock. He isn't qualified to do anything else needed at that time and the government needs soldiers since they are at war with two hostile alien races, competing for the same planets. The movie never even mentions the second alien species. The attack on Buenos Aires is the first attack on Earth, not the first attack on humanity.
I mean it can be. Rico possesses absolutely no merits beyond being an infantryman. He is unquestionably good at it but shooting shit and being violent are his only merits. Seems like they found a perfect place for him and he can even vote until he gets torn to shreds. And if he survives his inevitable horrific mutilation he'll still get a job as thanks and/or pension+benefits so for Rico, that is pretty good for what his merits are. He's definitely not gonna be the president.
Rico and all the other grunts are stupid fricking morons. His parents were right (though the decision to ignore them saved his life at least in the short term since he wouldve died at the vacation spot they chose for him), imo the ending and their tendency to die horribly so often they go from E1s to O3s or whatever in the span of a few months and how utterly non-reactive Michael Ironside was to that one guy just getting scooped up and how they don't even bother to try and do anything other than shoot him and don't even bother to get his body, many other things also, Rico is probably dead in 1-5 years after the credits roll.
I have not read the book but I've heard that Heinlein apparently thought or indicated at some point that he thought Johnny bought the farm after the book too.
The movie has nothing to do with the book aside from the name of the main character and a few prominent plot points so they could claim it was an adaptation.
Yeah I know that at least I don't really consider them the same, I just read once about heinlein, imo in the movie continuity the ending is honestly really depressing. All of Johnny's friends are dead and they were the more noble people you encounter in the movie. Watkins, Dizzy, Michael Ironside, the brodude pilot who actually turned out to be a nice enough guy, only a few are left and the war is not over not to mention Rico very nearly died multiple times and was even so previously wounded at one point he was listed as KIA. I get the impression when I watch it that he's doomed and so are all his few remaining war buddies and only the gross weirdos like Nazi Patrick Harris will survive. It feels wrong in a sense I find difficult to describe succinctly.
The issue is Paul Verhoeven didn't want to make a Robert Heinlein movie, he wanted to make another Robocop. Starship Troopers the book is not nearly as bleak as the movie is.
The book is a fictional memoir of a career soldier, written b someone that was actually in the US military. There are some deaths but that is to be expected during war. Most of the book is a commentary of flaws in (then) modern day military doctrine. Carmen isn't even a character and is primarily a plot element part way through the book showing what happens when you run into a former friend that now outranks you (and your commander).
>Rico possesses absolutely no merits beyond being an infantryman. He is unquestionably good at it but shooting shit and being violent are his only merits
In the book Rico realizes this.
>And if he survives his inevitable horrific mutilation he'll still get a job as thanks and/or pension+benefits so for Rico, that is pretty good for what his merits are. He's definitely not gonna be the president.
You're missing the point. In the book, he probably wouldn't be horribly mutilated. Rico extends himself to a career contract part way through the book. He had already done his term of service and was qualified retire from the military to become a citizen next time his unit rotated back from a frontline fleet.
The book makes it clear that it is a war for livable space. The bugs, skinnies, and humans all need the same planets to expand into. Glassing the bug inhabited planets doesn't solve the problem of overpopulation pressure.
Yeah I'm obviously only discussing the movie on its own merits and the ending to the movie disturbs me now that I'm a little older. There's just this grim air about it, when I was a kid I thought for sure Rico would always win because he is the hero but as an adult I can't help but notice how fricked up everyone is or how dead they are. Rico loses his real love his mentor his friends and then there's stuff like the woman who wanted citizenship just to get pregnant, why is such a woman even offered infantry in the first place?
All of it is because Verhoeven waned to make more torture porn. That's as deep as it goes.
>how utterly non-reactive Michael Ironside was to that one guy just getting scooped up
watch it again. he sent him to higher ground so he would get scooped up. but yeah, Rico's prospects aren't so good.
I always love when people start talking about how Heinlein was obviously a Nazi because they read something about how the humans in Starship Troopers were Nazis, despite the fact that the book and movie have very little in common besides the name of the main character.
Heinlein also wrote Stranger in a Strange Land, which is a book about a martian hippie defeating the US government and southern megachurches with free love and orgies.
The bugs in the book are explicitly just as technologically advanced as humanity. One of the issues that Rico mentions about fighting the bugs is you need to eradicate their strongholds because they have massive cold sleep repositories of warrior caste bugs in every sufficiently built up stronghold.
>eradicate their strongholds
Why not just nuke every known bug planet into oblivion? Problem solved.
The bugs wrecked every single space fleet you see in the movie so it's not a viable solution to just bomb from orbit. We see two massive fleets in the movie and both get utterly shit stomped and everyone or at least almost everyone dies horribly, then you have the massacre on the ground at klendaathu. Honeslty you could make a feasible argument the humans are losing, their only actual W the whole first movie is capturing one brain bug and it's been mutilated at that, and for all we know it was a juvenile that didn't know anything substantial yet or what it did know was worthless.
they push the asteroids with their poop and piss
?t=236
literally was, i mean the bugs launch the asteroid but the terran gov could destroy or deflect it but they didn't
It wasn't a proper false flag, they just didn't stop the meteor so they could gain more public support in the war
It wasn't a false flag, it's more like they pulled a Pearl Harbor.
>America knew that Japs are about to bomb Pearl Harbor
>did nothing so they'll have a valid casus belli
Same thing with the Federation, they knew there's a meteor incoming but did nothing to stop it.
Except we see in the movie why they fail to stop it. The sensor is destroyed after Carmen pilots in front of it because she went off course
No, communications are destroyed. If they could sensor it they wouldn't have bumped into it.
Either they have jack shit to keep track of meteors or they purposely let it through...
That's never been proven you smoothbrain. At most, the authorities knew that an attack was coming. Also even after Pearl Harbor, Congress still didn't want to declare war so it was a pretty shitty plan. If Hitler didn't declare it a few days later, it might not have happened at all.
Take your meds.
moronic conspiracy
>On December 8...The Senate responded with a unanimous vote in support of war; only Montana pacifist Jeanette Rankin dissented in the House.
>On 11 December 1941, four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the United States declaration of war against the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany declared war against the United States
all of humanity fighting together against literal brain eating space bugs
>muh fascism critic
>going halfway across the star system to fight bugs
>I SWEAR IT'S HOMELAND SECURITY
Earth had a military that was used to fight the arachnids after they sent a meteor. When you are fighting a defensive war you dont just sit around waiting to be attacked
>side with the bugs!
Woah, that's literally (not figuratively) america
You have to be moronic to think it wasn't a false flag. The bugs are incapable of hurling a meteorite so far with such accuracy.
>The bugs are incapable of hurling a meteorite so far with such accuracy
its fiction, the creators can decide whatever they want. If you want to criticize it for being a plothole then thats fine but youre just making shit up when you claim it wasnt the bugs
Are you the same anon that made the lotr bait thread?
>an alien farted an asteroid across galaxies from the surface of some shit rock and it hit a human colony 13475837264858362647483757583937747583837474793838577382 million miles away
Ok
explain how bugs did it then
Obvious bugposters, do not respond
TBD
Look up "science fiction"
If you can accept that bugs can shoot down ships in orbit or drain brains to gain memories and knowledge, them shooting asteroids at distant planets is not that far-fetched.
They know enough about space to be confused but not enough about writers to know writers are bad at space
Given the bug god stupidity in the sequels, it’s not so far fetched
>I bypassed the navigation! Take that chuds
>moments later they're in the asteroid's path
roger young was discreetly avoiding the rock
The US govt bombed their own buildings and the pentagon, why couldn’t the meteor be a false flag?
Because it has to be for the satire narrative to work
yeah like j6, I get it now thank you
>bugs live on other side of galaxy
>they fling an asteroid to the OTHER side of the galaxy
How fast was this asteroid?
There are wormholes in the Starship Troopers universe. They just kind of forgot to elaborate on that in the movie, and you're supposed to just "know" when you see the rock appear out of nowhere after seeing the computer screen make a big suck hole.
>why'd they do it like that?
To save money & get the point across. Also, since I'm a trekkie, I think it could be a reference to the wormhole asteroid event in the TOS motion picture.
>A quarter century later, did you make the right choice?
Yes, take the bimbopill!
"It's scared"
>not realizing it was skinnie false flag
Yes, yes, trust the asteroid, good goy.