OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
>“They asked me if I wanted to be involved — [writer-producer Fran Walsh] and I — and I said, ‘That’s an impossible question to answer without seeing a script,'” Jackson recalled to Scott Feinberg on The Hollywood Reporter’s Awards Chatter podcast. “So they said, ‘As soon as we get the first couple scripts, we’ll send them to you.’ And the scripts never showed up. That’s the last thing I heard, which is fine. No complaints at all.”
>Amazon Studios responded to Jackson’s comments with the following statement: “In pursuing the rights for our show, we were obligated to keep the series distinct and separate from the films. We have the utmost respect for Peter Jackson and The Lord of The Rings films and are thrilled that he is looking forward to watching The Rings of Power.”
>Sources close to the project describe a complicated and delicate backstory as author J.R.R. Tolkien’s estate was against having Jackson on board. This shouldn’t be surprising, as the estate had no involvement with his films and Christopher Tolkien has previously slammed the trilogy in the press as “eviscerating” his father’s books, claiming they turned his novels into action movies for young people that lack “beauty and seriousness.” But the estate is involved with the series — Amazon paid the estate an astounding $250 million for the rights to make the show.
Based Christopher used his last dying breath to block Jackson from having any involvement in the show lmao
Thank God. This plane will crash with no survivors
lmao imagine grifting this hard by claiming rights to a corpse. I love capitalism.
Rights to what? Does Amazon give money away for free?
They payed $250m for the TV rights to the LOTR and The Hobbit books
What the fuck.
Concept art of this scene from ROP, John Howe drew it
ha ha ha it looks ten time worse
>Christopher Tolkien has previously slammed the trilogy in the press as “eviscerating” his father’s books, claiming they turned his novels into action movies for young people that lack “beauty and seriousness.”
This guy is stupid . Jackson LOTR is one of the most beautiful films ever made
>use snake as a rope to swing down and kick lion in the face
>while lion is stunned, grab axe and cut down tree, dropping it on the crocs
>turn around bury the axe deep in the lions skull
>eat the snake
that's crazy enough to work
>eat the snake
So close to perfection, should have used the snake as a pocket pussy, then eat the cum stuffed snake for a snack later on.
you gotta take what protein you can in those situations, anon.
it also tastes good
>it also tastes good
I thought it was a doujin meme, I hope you are a woman because I despise pridepoxxers
what if I have sex with women, exclusively, and only eat my own?
That's weird but I concede
you do you but just watch out man, one day you're "recycling" your own semen, the next your molesting your senile mother
there's nothing gay about eating your own cum, you're just reupping on the lost protein. if you're having a slow week maybe a buddy can spot you, no homo.
>grab snake behind head with one hand
>throw snake to lion
>climb down tree onto land while lion is distracted
>pussy crocs won't do shit
>take the axe as a prize I guess
fucker didn't even cut the tree enough to topple it
>[Christopher Tolkien says he has] a "vociferous condemnation" of the 1979 animated film version ("...I regard it with abhorrence, as a really unbelievable travesty of my father's work..."), speculating on the effect of the films on his father's legacy ("...I heartily wish that the films of The Lord of the Rings were not being made, & I fear their advent – but even more, perhaps, the associated imbecilities of hideous toys & special breakfast-cereals... it seems impossible to guess what effect the films with ultimately have...")
>From a letter dated 31 January, 1979: As regards the question of the film: I have not seen it and do not intend to, but I have seen a book with pictures taken from the film. I will not deafen you with vociferous condemnation and say no more than that I regard it with abhorrence, as a wholly unbelievable travesty of my father's work and a denial of the entire imaginative and aesthetic outlook. I do not wish to be associated with the film in any way that I can help; nor would United Artists want my assistance if they knew my feelings!
Christopher Tolkien spent years shit talking the 1979 movie and then it turned out he'd never even see it. There's a pretty good chance he'd never even seen the full Jackson trilogy, because despite the flaws it's still the best adaptation of a fantasy book by a long shot. Christopher just hated any adaptation by default because he doesn't believe LotR should ever exit the book form, he just thinks it automatically renders everything soulless. Kind of like how autists here love things when they're obscure but complain that they're "ruined" once they go mainstream.
Ironically, his father who actually wrote the books was more receptive towards adaptations and actively gave input to the 1979. He even suggested they cut out Helm's Deep completely because he feared it could get complicated to adapt it to a screen properly.
>he doesn't believe LotR should ever exit the book form
>Proceeds to sell the movie rights to his fathers works
>I'm not gay but 250 million bucks is 250 million bucks
I'm not holding the whoring out against him, if anything I respect people that are honest about being shameless whores more. What I'm holding against him is that you don't get to be a whore and then act like an artist.
Like father like son
Seems he was just an old curmudgeon all along. Imagine absolutely tearing down something with heavy criticism and then it turns out he just saw a couple of stills from a booklet.
He was just too invested in gatekeeping it, having been raised on the books since he was a small child. He probably didn't even want the books released to the public.
>He probably didn't even want the books released to the public.
To be fair the bakshi movie is ass, and the animation style can be captured pretty well by still pictures. His drawings have a pulpy cartoony feel that worked really well with his other films but I can see why it bothered Chrissy T. Yes he's an insulated snob but I understand his paranoia, he knows presiding over his father's work is his life's central purpose
You just HAD to be contrarian, right? You couldn't just leave a positive thing by itself, you HAD to bombard it with contrarian pilpul, didn't you?
Get off of Cinemaphile man, take a walk outside for fuck's sake. Being a contrarian about everything 24/7 isn't good for your soul.
>isn't good for your soul
go back to rsp, gay
I don't even know what that means, but being contrarian doesn't make you cool, anon.
Everyone just starts hating you.
>He even suggested they cut out Helm's Deep completely because he feared it could get complicated to adapt it to a screen properly.
Tolkien would have loved Jacksons Helms deep
>bookfag doesn’t bother with the lowbrow format of movies, ever
Bit autistic but he’s not wrong, movies have never managed high art; Rosebud, that’s the greatest movie ever made?
Kurosawa came close, but if that’s the high tide mark of what movies are capable of… Christopher not watching, good for him.
It’s a children’s book tho
>being ignorant of the cultural impact tolkien has on the world
this guy thinks lotr is high art but kane isn't lmao
People who want to hate shit on principle will always hate it no matter what. Christopher Tolkien hated putting his father's work on a screen because he thought it'll be nothing but fanfiction action scenes, he hates the idea on principle. So he'd probably watch 3 hours of Fellowship, he'd ignore how beautifully it conveys the slow pace and the pre-raphaelite energy of the books, his brain would just replay the scenes with Arwen meeting the hobbits or hobbits jumping onto the raft and he'd seethe about non book readers saying it's amazing, and he'd be convinced that's all the movie does.
If you think this is cope, just look at this place. If a good 2 hour movie comes out and it has 1 minute of a woman or moron on screen, /misc/ will seethe about it because to them it's a feminist movie - the rest of the movie would blank out completely in their brains.
Yeah yeah, the true test is when some perspective is gained.
Are there still threads about Bebop? No?
That’s because it was inarguably bad, and only serves as an exemplar of studios doing everything wrong.
He complained but made a fortune, he just knew his father would hate any film of his books.
He already had a fortune, 150 million copies sold ~2.25 billion in sales revenue.
Another smaller fortune is irrelevant.
At least, to Christopher.
¨bros did the lion cut the tree with the axe...?
Grab the snake and feed it to one croc. Drop down on the other, killing it instantly. Feed the croc to the lion, it’ll go for the easier meal.
i think he probably thought it was too grim derp instead of fairytale
Do we know Christopher's reaction to The Hobbit trilogy? I kinda wish he was still alive to see the Amazon dumpster fire.
>Do we know Christopher's reaction to The Hobbit trilogy
There are some additional comments a family friend let slip about Christopher's thoughts on the LOTR movies. Apparently his criticisms were 'pages and pages long'
>Apparently his criticisms were 'pages and pages long'
For what purpose? He was just mad because PJ didn't want his involvement
>For what purpose?
Sometimes it's good to vent
>anecdote of an anecdote about how CJ totally saw the Jackson films and hated them so much he wrote an essay about it but there's no proof
Still not watching the amazon show, no matter how much you lie.
His hatred of the movies and Jackson is public knowledge. None of the family ever sugar coated their opinions
You claimed somebody claimed he wrote pages and pages of criticism. It is not "public knowledge", it's something you're digging up to try and make the show you're paid to advertise look better. It's not working.
>You claimed somebody claimed he wrote pages and pages of criticism
It was a family friend who made that comment. Here is what they said about Christopher's opinion on the movies from ~9 years ago
>(and in one major case, pool casting)
Who was he referring too?
Elrond, too old?
Legolas, not elfish enough?
Honestly cant really think of poor casting in those movies.
The 'major case' points to it being one of the central characters, my guess would be Frodo
Frodo was too young vs his character in the books but in Jackson’s adaptation of the essence of the work, he was fine
>the essence of the work
Frodo was completely murdered by Jackson. He's one of the worst examples of a character that was utterly destroyed in the writer's room.
Frodo was a fat old whiner in the books, in the movies he’s a young man braving the world in the prime of his life
It’s not the same story, so it’s fine and works well
They're not talking about the original trilogy, they're obviously talking about the hobbit movies you retard
Casting a comedian as Bilbo
I am sure there will be no action in the series at all. What a retard lmao.
Really highlights how much the Tolkien family hate Jackson when they pulled out their veto card just to make sure he wouldn't be involved in this series in any way, even after being payed $250m
That was exactly what the post was showing, you added nothing
Damn, he sure had the last laugh. I hope he is in right now being forced to watch Nerdrotic videos.
>and Christopher Tolkien has previously slammed the trilogy in the press as “eviscerating” his father’s books
Well good thing they blocked that hack PJ and now we have passionate autistic lorenerds making the Amazon show
Right? Was Christopher actually a retard all this time or going senile? Now it will be soulless AND full of woke lefty fanfic with middle school girl tier writing.
Christopher is braindead, that leaked webm of Rings of Power where one elf jumps on another elf's sword Hobbit Trilogy style attacking a troll. Yes Jackson was the problem.
I'm so excited for this show, finally i can unleash all my hate for this shit.
>Thinks Jackson ruined the books by making dumb action movies because he had to cut loads of content to make them feasible for the theater
>Thinks Amazon, the company who actually doesn't own the rights to anything related to the stories from the 2nd Age, are totally gonna make a great product despite them coming out and saying they're basically doing whatever they want and cramming stories separated by decades or centuries into a single narrative over the course of like 4-5 years and that fans should have expected this because they're not in this to make a "documentary."
>Only thinks this because they dumped $250,000,000 onto his lawn
Retarded Christopher being nothing more than a sellout shill who thinks a soulless corporation cares more about LOTR than an actual fan who got the lifelong dream of putting it onto the big screen.
Christopher said he wasn't convinced Jackson had ever read the books and even if he had he 'fundamentally misunderstood them'
Jackson made Christopher seethe more than anybody which is probably the reason he was blocked from being involved with the show, even though Amazon wanted him onboard in some capacity
Christopher really was a pissy cunt who lived of the his father's success. You can complain about goofy scenes in the Jackson films, sure, but most people don't look back and remember Legolas surfing on elephants for 10 seconds. What people do remember are beautiful moments of heroism and friendship that actually did carry that old Germanic-Catholic essence that Tolkien infused in his work.
Just look at how many young men who feel the world is descending into corruption and ugliness but look back at those films with a great fondness and even seek out religion as a remedy to the ills of the modern day. Could Jackson's films even have had a more perfect impact than that?
>Just look at how many young men who feel the world is descending into corruption and ugliness but look back at those films with a great fondness and even seek out religion as a remedy to the ills of the modern day
what a lame hallmark tier message, are you a soccer mom or something?
I hope Christopher is happy with soulless business suits of Amazon raping his father's work in the name of diversity & inclusion.
Imagine thinking the movies eviscerated his work and then being onboard with this globohomo mess lmao. The hypocrisy is insane.
Amazon shills are out in full force. He didn't care for the first trilogy, he absolutely abhorred the hobbit movies. Whatever, the moral of the story is that with enough money you can make anybody rollover. Amazon throwing a quarter of a billion dollars at the Tolkiens to make a shitty fanfiction doesn't mean it's going to be goo because the Tolkiens hated the Hobbit movies
This. They shit on Jacksons movies because they weren't faithful word for word from the book they treat like a sacred artifact like its a lost gospel or some shit, but most people agree that they're pretty good movies, but then go and praise the amazon series overflowing with diverse bullshit that veers so far from the source material it might as well be a different story but only praise it cause they got paid out. Tolkien must be rolling over in his grave.
I don't think the people shitting on the films, praising the show and venerating the books actually exist.
He died before Amazon approached the estate. That's literally what they were waiting for because he wouldn't sign off on just anything.
I dont remember this from LOTR , was this in the hobbit , cause I only watched part one of that
will the new series be as atrocius as this shit??
>havent seen the sword jump
>arena fight of dark elf
yes it will
oh boy, you are totally right
Well, at least there will be a fucking disaster movie that we can trash about it forever
All stunt work on a set though, not really comparable to the Legolas infront of greenscreen like The Hobbit movies or even the Oliphant stuff
No one cares if it's stunt work if the end product still looks like rancid dog shit
>the simp male elf posing and throwing his head back
>that lameass running start from the kween
>her kicking her legs through the air
looks like a terrible musical dance
ESL bro....work on your English please. It's awful
Shill bro...work on your Bezos blowjob skills please. It's awful
Please tell me which country you are from to have English skills so bad I can identify you anonymously.
Bound to be some 3rd world tier shitskin hellhole, right?
Shh, shillfren, the 3rd world in India and Brazil is giving us 80% of our trailer views and keeping our show afloat.
I know you're upset at that guy for making fun of Morf's action scene but we need to remember that diversity is our strength.
>his sword lags behind her jump
>his sword lags behind her jump
Nah it doesn't, in the higher quality video it's clear that he pushes her trailing foot from about a 10pm angle
Oh God it's going to be even worse than the witcher.
Most likely. Cavill alone has more charisma than this entire cast times 1000.
Yea I was just talking with Fred, amazing how he can actually swing a sword with a person standing on its tip, guy deserves a raise.
Fuck yo shit wirework.
Elves are not human, those Noldor would be particularly light on their feet, athletic and strong
>have superhuman abilities
>this means we should do retarded flashy shit
>instead of normal grounded things at superhuman speed/precision
Has anyone said this needless choreography is what will bring them to the show?
The Legolas stuff in the movies was pretty popular you know. People like ott action from time to time
If Legolas did a shitty looking jump from a sword it'd be hated too. His scenes are far more entertaining than that clip.
Problem is, so many things have gone the ott route that the top itself has changed.
Now, to do over the over the top action, you end up with this retarded shit.
Thanks, but no thanks.
It's pretty much the same kind of ott action as the Matrix movies and other wire based martial arts films that give their characters the top end of believability abilities.
Been popular for decades already.
Seems rude to do wuxia and cast no easterlings.
we need only look at the wheel of time
wtf does that show have to do with anything?
it's another fantasy series adaption by amazon
>produced by different pajeets in a different sweatshop bla bla
compare it to
>it's another fantasy series adaption by amazon
So they are on the same streaming service. How does that make them the same though?
You do know how TV productions work, right?
They have to operate under the same creative dogmas imposed by Amazon on all productions they finance.
yes. different pajeets in different sweatshops. the difference in quality, however, is negligible.
dude you are talking about a feminism meme movie, try to be more serious, we talking about Tolkien's legendarium
Seems like Chris is going to get the adaptation he deserves then.
I wish he was alive to see this. Imagine the heart palpitations caused by seeing a blsck elf killing him
You are not understanding the key difference here.
The movies took an existing story/novel and changed it to make action movies
ROP is taking notes in a history book and creating a story out of it
The issue the Tolkien's have with the movies is the LOTR story being misrepresented to a mass audience. ROP is just it's own thing entirely, it doesn't directly impact any novel because there isn't one for the 2nd age
There is no difference when Amazon mutilates what little that was established to create the Frankenstein of their own fanfiction that has nothing in common with anything Tolkien wrote other than the most superficial bits and pieces.
I'm not sure what you are misunderstanding here
The events of the 2nd age are documented as events in a history book. It's called the Tale of Years.
There is no novel that covers the 2nd age
How do you think movies like Braveheart, Gladiator or any other historical film gets made? They take some parts of RL history and then add mostly oc (or fanfic as you like to reduce it to) to tell a cohesive narrative.
It's practically the same process here just using the history notes of middle earth as the basis for the story
And then tearing up those notes, yes.
And William Wallace never conquered York, along with many other things in that movie.
I hope the point is finally sinking in
So you're agreeing that if William Wallace and his real history was instead my fictional creation then Braveheart fucking butchered it like Amazon is doing?
>compress thousands of years of history to one human lifetime
Not quite the same tier of tearing up the notes.
It involved copious amounts of wiping ass with the notes after tearing them to bits and pieces.
How about I shove that goalpost up your gay ass where you like it?Semantics nitpicking piece of shit.
>ROP is just it's own thing entirely, it doesn't directly impact any novel because there isn't one for the 2nd age
it will be mostly amateurish amazonian homebrew, granted, but how is it 'its own thing entirely'? it's set in the world tolkien created, with characters and events he created, don't try to convince anyone they won't be misrepresented. and adding characters that tolkien did not create like 'activist easterlings' absolutely misrepresents his world.
>Christopher Tolkien has previously slammed the trilogy in the press as “eviscerating” his father’s books
>all the 4chan tourists ITT replying to this like Christopher chose Amazon
Amazon waited for Christopher to fucking die and the estate to be handed to Tolkien's grandkids who don't give a shit and just want the megamillions.
who are they
as I see, they did a favor to Jackson, this is gonna be worst than avatar or capeshit
the books themselves lack beauty and seriousness, at least Jackson was able to turn Tolkien's lack of any talent into something that has beautiful mystical scenery.
If Christopher was alive to see RoP I'm sure that would have been enough for his heart to stop.
If anything, the movies made his dad's works more popular
haha lmao what a funny merme oh my god
That's OK. He was proven washed up anyway and couldn't have rescued anything.
>man wears Gandalf costume and gets attention from a few people for looking like Gandalf
>woman wears Gandalf costume and "breaks the internet" for being a woman
shut up virgin
this is either a very good thing or a very bad thing, depending on how you look at it
>hey jackson want to jump on board so we can plaster FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE MOVIES on the posters
>can i see a script first so i know its not complete shit
>u-uh yeah bro sure just uh just let me get some first and send them haha they arent ready now but haha youll know when they are dont worry bro haha *leaves*
Man really making me excited for this series
>Amazon: Here you go Jackson, the first script
>Jackson: This reads like shitty fan-fiction
>A: Well we technically didn't get the rights to these stories outside of the appendices that came with the LOTR so we gotta make it up as we go along since we cannot legally use the real stories.
>J: So let me get this straight: you wanted to make a series based off the Second Age but you don't own the rights to them outside of the small sides notes that came with owning the LOTR?
>J: You're an idiot.
Read the article you retard, that's not what happened at all.
The Tolkien Estate put a stop to Amazon trying to get Jackson's involvement, which is why he never got the scripts. The Tolkien Estate do actually read the scripts however and have many many more stipulations that the show has to abide by.
what happens when the copyright expires?
You mean when it goes into public domain? That's 30+ years away yet
I know that. I'm assuming that's what would happen if they actually got him involved. He'd be shitting all over their writing cause they're basically making fan-fiction at this point and they know it. I was shocked they had Colbert host that comic-con thing cause if anyone is going to tear this show to shreds it's going to be one of the biggest LOTR fans in the world.
You're responding to the shill. He's the only one on the board pushing the anti-Jackson angle because it's a moronic and untenable position.
>He'd be shitting all over their writing cause they're basically making fan-fiction
Would he? Jackson did plenty in his movies and wanted to go even further, I mean just look at some of the stuff that was planned but got left out like Arwen fighting at helms deep and Aragorn 1v1 against Sauron
Not to mention what he did with the hobbit movies
>Arwen fighting at helms deep and Aragorn 1v1 against Sauron
Citation for that?
>Not to mention what he did with the hobbit movies
That was 100% the studio demanding to have another trilogy out of a book that at best only had enough for two movies and Jackson only did it because Del Toro left the project and felt obligated when asked. He did not enjoy the experience.
>Source for Arwen fighting at Helms Deep and Aragorn fighting Sauron
oh man that would be awesome, you know if there's a torrent over there with those scenes??
>mummy arwen cutting down uruks in her dressing gown before bed
You are seeping in zoomer
>Citation for that?
>Aragorn 1v1 against Sauron
that wouldnt even have been that outlandish given that fingolfin 1v1'd morgoth
I want to see Gandalf twerk.
You WILL watch Rings of BLACK POWER!!!
You WILL watch Rings of BLACK POWER
You WILL shill our product on the internet
You WILL engage in fake discussions about it
You WILL fall for the Galadriel waifu bait
You WILL subscribe to Amazon Prime and you WILL like it
>You WILL fall for the Galadriel waifu bait
It's funny how not one real person has. Even the coomerposting is astroturfed with this abortion.
and eat the kitkat!
>muh Tolkien estate
The only motherfucker in the Estate who gave even a single shit about the integrity of the work was Christopher, who was against all adaptions on pure principle. And he's dead.
>who was against all adaptions on pure principle
Except when they shovel truckloads of money through his letter box.
>I wonder (if we survive this war) if there will be any niche, even of sufferance, left for reactionary back numbers like me (and you). The bigger things get the smaller and duller or flatter the globe gets. It is getting to be all one blasted little provincial suburb. When they have introduced American sanitation, morale-pep, feminism, and mass production throughout the Near East, Middle East, Far East, U.S.S.R., the Pampas, el Gran Chaco, the Danubian Basin, Equatorial Africa, Hither Further and Inner Mumbo-land, Gondhwanaland, Lhasa, and the villages of darkest Berkshire, how happy we shall be. At any rate it ought to cut down travel. There will be nowhere to go. So people will (I opine) go all the faster. Col. Knox says ⅛ of the world's population speaks 'English', and that is the biggest language group. If true, damn shame – say I. May the curse of Babel strike all their tongues till they can only say 'baa baa'. It would mean much the same. I think I shall have to refuse to speak anything but Old Mercian.
>But seriously: I do find this Americo-cosmopolitanism very terrifying. Quâ mind and spirit, and neglecting the piddling fears of timid flesh which does not want to be shot or chopped by brutal and licentious soldiery (German or other), I am not really sure that its victory is going to be so much the better for the world as a whole and in the long run than the victory of ——.
Tolkien would've hated the tv show, the movies, and every other aspect of modernity.
im sure he wouldnt have minded the hundreds of millions of dollar he'd've been swimming in
>see a darkie
>turn off trailer
Just don't pretend to be a Tolkien fan
>don't pretend to be a Tolkien fan
the entire marketing campaign for this show is about pretending to be tolkien fans lmao
the complaints on the left are 90% seething and grasping at straws to shill the shitty amazon series
>arguing over which shit is flavoured worse
Wow damn you've convinced, to heck with canon! Here's to representation!
This is blatantly skewed
but don't worry shill fag when your shit show black wash crap fest comes out we can make your lying by omissions short list at least 3 times as big as the one on the left
so we agree things shouldnt be changed from the books, good
take the darkies out then
That is the most pathetic thing i have ever seen. Fuck off leftist shill.
Guy's it's 4 shitty fantasy books
Hi, still not watching the show, thanks.
Tolkien would have been totally blown away by the Jackson version, whatever quibbles. McKellen and Holm would have totally impressed him I’m convinced. Yes His son is a butthurt gay.
Despite the movies being faithful in feel and seeming, the true irony that most overlook is that Tolkien wouldn't have particularly liked Jackson's movies, probably, as he was a perfectionist freak to levels that just don't bode well with cinematic production(s), so you can only imagine how much he'd *haaaaate* Amazon's golden turd on a plate.
The LotR video games + Jackson's Hobbit totally oversaturated Tolkien's works anyway. Parents are showing their kids the Hobbit before Lord of the Rings. Why? Because the general human is a consumer dumbass and cannot weigh things for what they are. The Rings of Power will be more culturally iconic than the Hobbit OR The Lord of the Rings -- Amazon is already shoving the RoP on LotR book covers. The culture war (rape) on the past is real. The sheer hubris is very real. It is tangible.
>Amazon is already shoving the RoP on LotR book covers
That's Harper Collins, Amazon cant make them do anything regarding the books
Do you really think Amazon didn't insist or have a say on it? Really? They clearly fucking did. If they had any integrity they wouldn't have even allowed it.
>Do you really think Amazon didn't insist or have a say on it
I mean Harper Collins was part of the deal made originally with the Tolkien Estate. What I imagine is that the negotiation would have been along the lines of Amazon getting to advertise on the front of the books since Harper Collins would profit from the increase in books sales. But either way Harper Collins would have been the ones to agree to this because they are the publishers.
Still interesting how New Line Cinema have always been part of this show's production though, im still not sure their exact involvement.
>Despite the movies being faithful in feel
That's the thing though; they weren't really. Jackson's films only stand out to people to whom they were their first experience of Tolkien's world; they watch the trilogy 20 times then listen to the audiobook once and insist the former is a good adaptation of the latter.
I don't think Tolkien would have liked Jackson's trilogy on the grounds that it completely perverted so many things that were of huge importance to Tolkien in favour of things that weren't. No poetry, no history, constant character assassination; all for television melodrama and juvenile violence.
>they weren't really
They were, in shades. The grandness and mystique was faithful.
The sublime mountains are where it begins and ends. The infertile interior of New Zealand was otherwise completely wrong for Middle-Earth. Rohan was reduced to a lifeless steppe.
He's an adult character with depth and intelligence, and absolutely in his prime. In the films he's a dimwitted child.
>The Rings of Power will be more culturally iconic than the Hobbit OR The Lord of the Rings
It angers you, doesn't it? "Just ignore it" has never worked for newer generations. These are what they will be weaned on. I am sorry. You vastly underestimate how humans approach things. Humans are garbage and retarded as a point of their very being.
Considering how the average zoomer has the attention span of about 5 seconds nobody will remember this even happened after it inevitably ends terribly
The average consumer gobbles up whatever is currently being highlighted by the media. It doesn't matter how good or bad it is.
>Will be boring as shit to a kid
The original trilogy is rather slow and boring to a kid.
OT had the advantage of being somewhat faithful to the source material though, and plenty of kids read that.
This doesn’t even have that benefit, it’s hack writers who never even published a fantasy book trying to make lightning strike where Tolkien did.
>it’s hack writers who never even published a fantasy book trying to make lightning strike where Tolkien did.
they haven't even written a successful script yet. their only experience in television and film is that they wrote a first draft for star trek beyond which got thrown in the trash.
Basedboys on twitter aren't real people
But twitter is one of the loudest voices today, God. It assimilates opinions and fanfare like the Borg.
Yeah, nah, I see your point with how SW prequels have been ‘redeemed’ by zoomers, but who’s going to show their kids this?
Will be boring as shit to a kid, and parents aren’t going to find it an acceptable replacement for bedtime stories.
Why would it be redeemed and not forgotten like 95% of tv media?
I might be mad, possibly, if we were talking LoTR director.
But we saw what he did with creative freedom in the Hobbit I II III IV V VI so fuck Jackson.
Maybe the clash of two varieties of shit would have cancelled out the worst and raised the best in RoPe, but hardly a gamble I’m interested in.
Tolkien's son, his fucking SON, had every right to hate any conceivable adaption of his father's work.
He was a fan like no other. One cannot understand what it must have been like to grow up in that fictional world.
Fuck you, he had no right to hate anything. He had no problem whoring out his father's work for millions of dollars.
Was he a whore? Yes. Was he a based whore? Yes.
Based in what way? Was selling out to Amazon so they can scrimp for ESG points based?
>thinking executive decision rested with an aging man who just wanted to tend his rose garden
You know, a look into the politics of the Tolkien estate could be a kind of kino.
Like Succession, not that I’ve seen it.
I will always love Christopher. Without him the silmarillion would never have been published
People who shit on Christopher can be ignored. They are content consumers. They want more Content from their Favourite Franchise or else they'll scream.
>Don't you want more Content from Franchise??
>Don't you want more Fans for Franchise??
i wouldn't shit on christopher, but i disagree with him about the films and they weren't my first experience of the lord of the rings. if you look at them as just films among films they are peak soul
Christopher's opinions were notoriously wrong on everything though. He was a stupid boomer that was scared on new media. He even shat on Blind Guardian for making songs about Lord of the Rings even though as far as metal goes, Blind Guardian is pretty restrained and respectful.
he was the first and foremost tolkien fan, can't blame him for being protective of his fathers work
It must be nice spending a lifetime doing absolutely nothing noteworthy except reaping the monetary benefits of your father's work and gatekeeping it for even more money with every opportunity.
>t. grandson who’s mad that his grandfather didn’t sell out sooner
Become an adult.
In a sane world tolkien's works would have entered the public domain already
I really do get the feeling JR would have loves Jacksons trilogy.
Wasn't there some blurb about the creators of the show trying to make the show fit the world now and not really caring about the original much?
Jackson's production was redeemed in chief part by the manifestation of the characters Tolkien created. Everybody enjoyed them because he peppered it with enough action scenes to keep the attention of contemptuous normies, and won many of them over to the deeper message as a result.
There could never have been a perfect interpretation, and we should be grateful that the team PJ put together was so passionate about the quality of the film.
Amazon has shown none of that. Only pellets to feed the terminal consoomer. Only sneering hatred to those who were invigorated by the light that shines through this tale.
Also this project is not normie friendly like LotR was. It was an action movie story about a capture the flag game with everyone trying to grab the Ring or destroy it. It will feel completely different to have a show about Elvish politics and human kings being corrupted.
Thank God Christopher Lee is dead.
He would have been so heart broken to see what became of this.
>thrilled that he is looking forward to watching The Rings of Power
He didn't say that or anything close to that.
>we were obligated to keep the series distinct and separate from the films
>copypaste Jackson Balrog
Has there been any footage in trailers of a male character saying something powerful and encouraging and not just refusing to believe a woman
TRUE AND HONEST TOLKIEN SUPERFANS... ASSEMBLE!
I would but I'm Asian and don't feel seen by the show because of no Asian actors.
Well duh, statistically you're even more succesful than white people so obviously you're also very racist and therefore evil and dont deserve representation.
Black Tolkien superfan here. So glad to finnally have representation in my favourite series. JRR Tolkien is good, but it's just too dated. We needed an adaptation for the 21st century.
Black and gay tolkien superfan here, I only care about one thing: Saurons bussy.
>another I can fix him horny guy
What do you mean another?
That's all of us.
Every single tolkien superfan is like that.
Black, gay and disabled Tolkien superfan here. I'm just here
And you are everything.
Never forget that this
is who amazon thinks you are.
>In pursuing the rights for our show, we were obligated to keep the series distinct and separate from the films
>which one of you retards wants to show peter jackson this shitlib script so he can laugh at you and tell you you're a gay even though he's also a lib, that's how lib and trash it is
>We have the utmost respect for Peter Jackson and The Lord of The Rings films
raw looking bro