>police return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
>three street gangsters show military/special forces training that the script nowhere indicates that they should have (running towards people shooting at you is a trained response that strongly goes against instinct)
>police have stormtrooper aim, several instances where robbers are being shot at from three different directions but are never hit anywhere
>instead of tracking robbers to a more secluded area, police decide to try and ambush them outside the bank in front of everyone
>police don't deploy snipers or tactical shooters to pick them off from a safe distance, just try to take them head on
This is what people called “realistic“ in the 90s?
/k/ is a worthless board and this thread sucks.
I like /k/ because it makes current /misc/ really, really mad.
>police return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
You know they were fighting the LAPD right?
No it doesn't
Embarrassing post.
there were no snipers and there was no tracking because they didn't find out about the robbery until it was happening. their driver got killed and Val got injured. robbing banks and armored trucks is the highest level of street criminality you can achieve that requires the most intelligence and planning, and they are a legit crew who probably train together all the time at shooting ranges.
>robbing banks and armored trucks is the highest level of street criminality you can achieve that requires the most intelligence and planning
homie what the frick are you talking about by the 90's only the dumbest morons were doing it because intelligent criminals were very aware that it was impossible. This scene is based on North Hollywood shootout where one robber killed himself and the other bled to death because there was no way out
Heat came out two years before the North Hollywood Shootout.
BE THAT AS IT MAY, bank robberies were never "the highest level of street criminality you can achieve that requires the most intelligence and planning", that's a moronic Hollywood trope. They weren't even that common in the Old West days because everyone knew you'd get boxed in and shot to pieces really quick
bank robberies are not rare. but they're also not like heist movies where you have to be super intelligent about it.
>were never
that's were you are wrong
proper bank heists that empty the vault and deposit boxes were the highest paying "street crime" until the mid 90's.
we are talking about costumes, elaborated smoke screens, 3 mile long mole tunnels that lead into the vault, 30+ hour standoffs and such. what you could argue is that 1 in a houndred got away with it, which justifies the high risk high reward scenario. Nowadays is virtually impossible.
>highest level of street criminality you can achieve that requires the most intelligence and planning
I agree that it requires a lot to pull off. Which is why actual criminals can't and won't do it and stick to drugs and shit.
Yeah. Most people who rob banks outside of movies are just crackheads who steal a few thousand dollars from some poor teller before getting arrested down the block.
Those who commit organized heists aren't much smarter, since banks have so much security these days that it's virtually impossible to get away with. That along with how much police attention it brings makes it the worst possible investment since Social Security.
There's a reason most organized criminals stick to dealing drugs, prostitutes, and cybercrime.
They literally robbed two banks successfully stealing 1.5m dollars on one of them prior to the north hollywood shootout. The were robbing banks/armored vehicles before heat.
return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
sounds pretty accurate to me
fricking Broward County.
it's incredible that police never accidentally shoot hostages in movies like they did here.
>three street gangsters show military/special forces training that the script nowhere indicates
its explicitly mentioned that McCauley and Chris are former military
>its explicitly mentioned that McCauley and Chris are former military
Where is it mentioned? I thought it was only implied from their training and know how. Plus I think Neil had an army ranger tattoo or something similar
Aye. I've played thousands of hours of ultrarealistic military shooter sims such as Apex Legends and let me tell you: I have more than a few nits to pick about the supposed "realism" of this so-called kino. To start,
The cops were wrong to engage right in front of the bank and should have tried to follow... but I can attribute that to Hanna's desperation to catch them coupled with the stress of his homelife
Well, this actually happened in real life two years later, and both shooters got killed rather quickly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
Both of the shooters were directly inspired by the movie no less.
they only died once the painkillers wore off kek
They actually weren't on painkillers, it's just one of these myths that someone made up and everyone believed for whatever reason. northhollywoodshooutout.net is a good resource and well researched.
whoops, typo: northhollywoodshootout.net
>rather quickly
>two men holding off dozens of cops for nearly 15 fricking minutes
How do I get bro that would literally go out in a blaze of glory with? Literal bros to the end.
They were gym buddies.
Until the gun shop was sued out of existence for just handing them over.
>Several officers additionally equipped themselves with AR-15s and other semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer.
kino of the highest order
It's amazing that the only people who died during the shootout were the two bank robbers and they were wearing heavy armor. I think it was reported that over 2,000 rounds were fired with the majority being from the gunmen.
they hit and wounded a shitload of people too, they were all just lucky enough not to be critically injured
Kino movie
The cops shot a girl they put out an amber alert for like two or three days ago.
Literally happens IRL
When will Fudge Dredd get his own biopic? Who will play him?
>instead of tracking robbers to a more secluded area, police decide to try and ambush them outside the bank in front of everyone
>police don't deploy snipers or tactical shooters to pick them off from a safe distance, just try to take them head on
This is what watching too many movies does to a muthafricka.
>This is what people called “realistic“
because the guns were loud and they actually reloaded once in a while. Also Pacino had a Galil so a lot of the gun gays start drooling and forget about critiquing realism.
Recommend me your favorite heist kinos.
Good Time is a pretty good film. it has a bank robbery scene that is probably as realistic as they get.
>The friends of eddie coyle
> The Getaway (1972)
>The Taking of Pelham One Two Three (1974)
This is a very realistic police response, within the past few years alone you can find numerous instances of american policd forces opening fire into civilians.
return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
That is the most accurate thing in the movie
Robbing an armored car looks kind of easy
Was he ever caught?
Looks like he fled the country to Ecuador, was able to get over a million dollars for the gold, but says then that his fiance took the money and screwed him over leaving him broke. But then says there might be some in a storage locker in new jersey?
Holy shit I hate women.
>police return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
someone already showed you that this happens in america, and to be honest foreign countries are even worse for this, police will fricking mow people down to get to their target. brazilian cops will fricking shoot anyone
>three street gangsters show military/special forces training that the script nowhere indicates that they should have (running towards people shooting at you is a trained response that strongly goes against instinct)
you're literally shown military tattoos in the film, just pay more attention
>police have stormtrooper aim, several instances where robbers are being shot at from three different directions but are never hit anywhere
the majority of the responders were beat cops who were using pistols and shotguns and are shooting at targets over 200-300 meters away, where the targets are returning fire by mag dumping long barreled automatic rifles. they genuinely didn't have a chance and were just hoping not to die
>instead of tracking robbers to a more secluded area, police decide to try and ambush them outside the bank in front of everyone
secluded area? they're in downtown LA, there is no 'secluded area'
>police don't deploy snipers or tactical shooters to pick them off from a safe distance, just try to take them head on This is what people called “realistic“ in the 90s?
they arrived as they were exiting the bank, how the frick do you expect them to have snipers already set up?
honestly Cinemaphile doesn't even pay attention to films anymore
The level of response OP expects ironically only became the expectation because of what happened in North Hollywood which was inspired by Heat.
Those dudes were knocking over armored cars before Heat came out. They probably really liked Heat but I don't think it inspired them to become high stakes criminals.
The police literally found a Heat VHS in the VCR in their home.
What's it like being illiterate?
It would be a tad bit different today. Every patrol car has an AR in the trunk.
Also the cops who intercepted them once they were in the getaway car weren't even wearing bulletproof vests... can you imagine being a regular cop in this situation seeing a crew of armoured men pushing towards you spraying hails of bullets in a do or die situation where they're going to kill anything in their path to escape? I'd be thinking of my family and trying to survive above everything else. Frick dying for money covered by insurance.
>instead of tracking robbers to a more secluded area, police decide to try and ambush them outside the bank in front of everyone
Val Kilmer sees them and shoots first
It's shit
return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
What do you propose then? No pursuit policies and criminals running roughshod around the city?
return fire in a crowded area without any regard for civilian casualties
Realistic even by today's standards.
>three street gangsters show military/special forces training that the script nowhere indicates that they should have (running towards people shooting at you is a trained response that strongly goes against instinct)
lol, lmao even
good bait
>police miss everyone except the black driver who was unarmed
>unarmed
A vehicle is considered a deadly weapon.
Pretty ironic that the actor went on to become the Allstate Car Insurance guy.
They just had to get it on