This movie is fricking great let's talk about it
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Predator
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Get to the choppah!
it's great
Best Van Damme movie imo
One of the corniest cornball films ive seen in a while. I just turned that shit off when arnold said "stick around" when he shot the knife thing at some terrorist
Fricking homosexual
that scene was kino fun. did u know he adlibbed that?
although now that i think about it, im not sure what separates that from capeshit oneliners. its just different in a way i cant describe
It's coming from Arnold, not Chris what's his name.
The difference is that the whole raid scene is meant to be this goofy parody of 80s action movies which sets the stage for the generic "special ops chads killing asiatics in a jungle" plot to be deconstructed by the appearance of an apex predator they can't fight against. As soon as they realize they're being hunted and start getting picked off, the tone of the movie changes drastically and all the fun and games come to a sudden halt. I think the one thing that could elevate Predator to even higher levels of kino is an edit that removes all the Predator's first person stalking scenes prior to the CONTACT scene when the cast themselves realize its a fricking alien. A cut like this would be amazing.
did you also think it takes place in southeast asia?
it wasnt until my 2nd viewing that my dumbass realized its in columbia, not cambodia
i agree, they blew their load way too early with those predator pov scenes
>an edit that removes all the Predator's first person stalking scenes prior to the CONTACT scene when the cast themselves realize its a fricking alien
The point of seeing the Predator observing them earlier from the time of the raid, is that he sees them as the most dangerous predators in the area, as well as listening to them and recording their sounds. This is exactly what hunters do. Their sounds were then used to attract and confuse them, just as a hunter uses a game call. It's actually a subtle but very well written detail. Hunters mostly observe their prey in addition to using sounds and calls.
Personally, I think it would be better to slowly introduce the Predator stalking them by not showing the infrared vision thing until after the raid and only imply him chasing the crew with a simple voyeuristic angle of overhead shots from trees in some scenes. Though I suppose it'll be way too subtle for some audience.
>by not showing the infrared vision thing
It is a bit of a spoiler, but then again so is the very opening of the movie showing the ship entering Earth's atmosphere. I think the audience kind of knew what they were in for based on the trailer advertising at the time. They knew it was an alien creature feature, but the big reveal is
>they are killing us one at a time
>like a hunter
I also wonder if hiding the predator first scenes would make it a better movie.
Same for Aliens, the additional scenes are good in the Director's Cut, but many wonder if not knowing what happened in LV426 might be for the best.
Well yeah, not seeing the colony seens on your first viewing is a better experience. However, it's awesome that they're available on subsequent viewings as a little mini prequel
All I can say is my dad is a giga brainlet who generally doesn't like scifi movies. I tricked him into watching Predator and he thought the spaceship scene was just a satellite or something because he has no imagination. And he assumed the infrared scenes were drone surveillance (despite the year the movie came out) so I was able to witness someone watching Predator without having any idea there's an alien in it and his reactions were hilarious. He thought the skinned alive bodies they found were something done by evil ISIS type terrorists. He couldn't even fathom that a monster had done it. So when the Predator actually reveals itself he went from finding the movie kinda boring to freaking out and getting really hype because the "twist" blew his mind. My dad is fricking weird. I've seen Predator like 4 times and somehow I managed to get him to see it for the first time in his sixties.
Agreed that both versions are great. Which is why I feel like an edited cut of Predator could be cool as an alternate way to view it too.
The only good sequel content was Predator 2 and even that was unnecessary, but Danny and Gary elevated it to kino at least.
That's a neat idea to remove the first person stalking scenes. Do it and report back, anon.
One-liners don't have that sense of ironic detachment that seem to be a shield against the "embarrassment" of the situation they are uses in, the way quips are. One liners are honest and embrace their silliness.
Classic one-liners celebrate the release of dramatic tension. Capeshit quips directly defuse dramatic tension.
slack jawed homosexual
Did Richter ever make it to the party?
I had the wife watch it for the first time last weekend. We also watched Predator 2 which I really like but she hated cause of all the fictional drug war stuff and that the lead was black. It's Danny fricking Glover. An honorary white.
If he were an honorary white he'd have no trouble getting a cab.
back then black character were well written and likeable. for me its not that i hate black characters, i hate badly written characters
Okay boomer
if Dillon was written today, He would be trashtalking Dutch while they're getting picked off by the Predator instead of the banter we get at the start of the film.
>Danny Glover. An honorary white.
While he has great screen presence, wasn't he a racial activist/agitator when he was younger.
Your wife sounds like a closeted BBC bawd.
His best movie imo
For me it's a three way tie of Terminator, Predator, and Commando tied for 2nd place, with Conan being the best single Arnold film, and 2nd best fantasy film after Excalibur.
Commando can never be good because the main villain is fat
He had baby flabby arms
He was a big dude, but he was chubby fat at best
I can't for the love of my life not see that every time I see commando
I cannot suspend my disbelief enough to take him as menacing
I'm sorry
This is a fact
>He was a big dude, but he was chubby fat at best
>I can't for the love of my life not see that every time I see commando
>but, but the goofy chainmail
>I DON'T NEED THE GUN!!!
Kek, I always felt the exact same way. That chubby villain was distracting.
Predator, Terminator 1, and Total Recall are his best
Total Recall is amazing, but it is a part of his later work, after he became an icon. His 80s work was the ascent, and you could feel it. By TLAH he was growing into comedy and becoming a true movie star, more than an action icon.
Where's Conan you stupid FRICK
His best movie is True Lies
Yes but the movie doesn't revolve around him even though he's the lead and last man standing.
About the original mission they're on:
>Soviets are supplying Guerillas with advanced weaponry and training
>CIA is trying to get intel on it and take them out
>CIA helicopter gets downed by heatseeker supplied by soviets
>Passengers are captured and pilots executed
>SF team led by Jim Hopper is sent in to rescue them but gets wiped out by the Predator
>Dillon needs the best so he calls up Dutch's team
So the strange part here is why Dillon has to lie about a cabinet minister and why Dutch takes offense later to the mission. There were still real prisoners that were in real danger. Was it just because they had been on a military operation rather than innocent government officials?
i mean lying about mission details, putting your life on the line while someone withholds critical info would piss me off too. im certain dutch mentions why hes pissed but i just cant remember
He says they're a rescue team, not assassins. But there were still guys that needed rescuing and another rescue team already was lost. I don't know why Dillon felt like he needed to say it was a cabinet minister except that Dutch might not stick around to kill the guerillas unless he believed that? Dutch would have really rejected the assignment even though they still needed rescue?
The hostages were killed by the Predator. It's never explicitly stated, but it's hinted at. The fact that they weren't at the compound when Dutch and the crew stormed in is telling. That's what made Dutch realize they weren't sent on a rescue mission but rather a retaliatory strike, basically used as a hired assassin.
They witness a hostage getting murdered though. The skinned people are Jim Hopper's team. And the chopper pilots were executed by humans too
>Was it just because they had been on a military operation rather than innocent government officials?
Yes, and Dillon was also misleading around the expected level of resistance.
CIA compartmentalises all information so no one person has every detail save the team lead (probably Dillon, though he will be answering to somebody else as well unless he's the station chief). Dillon told Dutch what he needed to know to get the job done, because what they are doing is a black op for Special Activities after the regular military failed, and Dutch doesn't have the clearance to know more anyway.
A better question is how the frick Dillon's cabinet minister story checked out during mission prep, if one went missing like that it would be headline news. There aren't exactly a lot of them, they're the President's advisors and their movements are tracked pretty closely for security reasons.
>So the strange part here is why Dillon has to lie about a cabinet minister and why Dutch takes offense later to the mission.
At one point Poncho asks Dutch if he remembers Afghanistan, and he replies that he's trying to forget it. It's a reference to the CIA arming the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets the same way they're arming the rebels. Dutch clearly doesn't like this type of business, that's why Dillon came up with the cover story. Whatever happened in Afghanistan was bad and Dutch wouldn't want to do anything like that ever again.
How the hell did such a "campy action movie" get written so intelligently? Why don't we get stuff like this anymore?
>It's a reference to the CIA arming the Mujahideen to fight the Soviets
No, it isn't.
Oh, also it would technically mean that Dutch's team is in a sovereign country illegally.
Yeah it's a good script. It was written on spec by the Thomas brothers, who had plenty of time polish it. People actually cared back then.
>Dutch's team is in a sovereign country illegally.
They knew that part. He asks why the Cabinet Minister was traveling on the wrong side of the border and General says they must have strayed off course. It was going to be a one day OP to grab the hostages and bounce back across the border ASAP.
Arnold still goes to gyms around the country and gives advice and kind words to young bodybuilders.
He’s a good dude.
I want to see how far his mexican son goes. He's following Arnold's bodybuilding steps closely
>Arnold is a good dude
>Yah, frick your freedom you stupid idiots
Now he's just an out of touch, rich, baby boomer butthole.
>He's following Arnold's bodybuilding steps closely
Act like a dick, take lots of steroids, and yap about cooming all the time?
It was pretty good but the modern take Prey is more engaging and interesting.
2/10 bait
based Bill 'Darkness' Duke
His is quite the death
He gon have him some fun
You're ghosting us, motherfricker!
I watched it it was great.
It is kino
My dad is dying right now. Few days left. Conan is his favorite movie with this a close second. This would be #1 if it wasn't for the women.
>He doesn't like sweaty south american women
He just likes blondes and naked ones more. He would have absolutely impregnated that jungle lady.
>He would have absolutely impregnated that jungle lady.
Get in line pal. My turn to colonize.
>and indian guy also has a big manly rambo knife
They all had those knives in various sizes. They were custom made for the movie.
>the women.
there's only one woman in the movie wtf
thats all it takes
The greatest movie.
>WELL LONG TALL SALLY SHE'S BUILT FOR SPEED
>SHE'S GOT EVERYTHING THAT ANON NEEDS
>OH BABY!!!
I really like how each soldier has a particular weapon to help differentiate them.
>the leader has the "well-rounded" and "military-looking" m16 with m203
>the indian tracker/scout has an m16 with a shotgun attached; fricking weird but at least its striking and memorable
>the big bruiser has a fricking minigun, with an mp5 as a sidearm
>duke has a regular machinegun; basically 2nd fiddle to the minigun
>poncho has a semi-auto nade launcher, he also has an mp5 sidearm
>the jokester guy just carries an mp5 as his main weapon since he's also carrying around the radio gear
>pencil-pusher carries an mp5 because he's gone soft
>a couple of them have desert eagles as sidearms, because if you're gonna use a puny pistol instead of an mp5, it at least has to be ridiculously big and unwieldy, but they never get used
>oh, and indian guy also has a big manly rambo knife; also he wears a flak jacket
I like how arnold uses his high str score on that truck when they attack the camp, instead of just knifing the guards or whatever. They also use planted explosives at one point.
Huh. It's weird they didn't have a sniper now that I think about it.
>they didn't have a sniper
in triple canopy jungle? Nah
They're a rescue team, not assassins.
God tier movie.
When I was little lad and my family took trips to the video rental, the box absolutely fascinated me. I thought about it for weeks. No internet so I couldn't look it up, so I could only imagine what PREDATOR meant with this big jacked dude on the front.
A few years later and we're visiting my grandparents for Christmas. It's late and only my grandfather and father are just sitting in the TV room, bored. I flick the channels and it lands on this movie, but I wasn't aware at first. We started watching right after the raid where they get stalked, I was glued right the frick in. Then I check the TV guide, PREDATOR 21:30. It was the ultimate gift. Despite the violence, I still was able to watch cos everyone agreed it was a badass film.
I watch it once a year, you gotta have the SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS line in.
Predator is the equivalent of comfy hot chocolate on a cold rainy night.
Very good take
>Predator
>From Dusk Till Dawn
Any other movies that start off as one genre and then do a powerful pivot into another as well as these?
>start off as one genre and then do a powerful pivot into another
Mmmm, Ravenous?
10 cloverfield lane? although maybe that's more of a twist than a genre switch
Kill List, sort of.
>movies that start off as one genre and then do a powerful pivot into another
Google and IMDB give pretty good results from
'movies that switch genres'
Sunshine
Bone Tomahawk (maybe add Brawl in Cell Block 99)
Place Beyond the Pines
Adaptation
3rd act ruined it. You fricking know it did, lying b***hes.
But anon, if it weren't for the third act, would you even talk about Sunshine, ever?
High and Low
I like how it's really hard to see the Predator with his cloak on but you can see him if you know where to look. Modern films would probably make it extremely obvious.
>Best friend is a depressed homosexual
>Never watched predator so watch it together
>He gets hyped and loves it, starts working out
>2 years later he is buff and fricks a bunch of slack jawed homosexuals every other day
>and fricks a bunch of slack jawed homosexuals
Ughh, what? Your friend is gay?
No?
Yeah best movie ever
Predator is a such a good movie on it's own when completely disconnected from all the autistic lore of the sequels.
>actually they're called yautja and they fight xenomorphs and this is the same universe as blade runner
I hate nerds so much it's unreal. Just a tall tale about some commandos getting into shit during the contra wars became Wookiepedia-tier.
Eh ... I kinda like the little glimpses into their culture we get
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that is the coolest part of that movie. Just that one little glimpse of the landscape of the planet. mysterious but says alot.
Explain this stupid shit you silly c**ts. Protip: I already know you can't.
It's the original version of the Predator's main weapon that got changed during production.
>Before the late great Stan Winston turned the Predator into what it was, it was originally going to use a Harpoon gun, and in one scene, we see this gun's projectile in use. The Predator uses it to skim Blaine's shoulder and stun him before using his shoulder gun to put a hole through his chest. Since this idea was dropped, this is the only instance the weapon is seen used in the film.
https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predator_(1987)#Harpoon_Gun
I had no idea Jesse Ventura was in this movie
That's because the DARPA mind control erased it from your memory. Thank you for your service.
Wait, I thought Van Damme was the Predator?
Van Damme got let go because he wasn't happy and they weren't happy with him. KPH was more suited since he was far taller and happier in the role
mogged by his own stuntman
Calling all Arnold Loremasters: wasn't it Running Man where Arnie was wearing that blue World Gym sweatshirt? I bought one from the gym specifically because I remembered it from the movie, butt my friend says it's actually from Total Recall and neither of us will check those two movies for some reason.
We'll never know.
It's Running Man.
Billy: There's something out there, and it ain't no man
>Billy: There's a road to the south, but I wouldn't waste that on my broke dick, dog.
One thing I like about Predator I don't see people mention much is how they show the characters at the end during the credits. I can't think of any other movies that do this apart from Dune and it's kino
Dutch lost. Predator had him dead, but decided he had fought well enough that Predator would handicap himself and give Dutch a final shot. Predator seemed like he HOPED Dutch would be badass enough to win even.
Thanks. I never would have grasped that from watching the movie.
People don't seem to grasp it. They act like Dutch completely obliterated the Predator and won through his ingenuity. Moron.
No, they don't.
Never has anyone thought Dutch won anything.
If Dutch had lost he'd be dead and the Predator would be alive. The Predator lost because it was too arrogant and didn't kill Dutch when it should have. It's called a tragic character flaw.
In many ways Predator (1987) is our generations Hamlet.
Dutch "won" by impressing the Predator so much that it wanted to duel him fairly. Note that Billy challenged it to a duel as well and was slain instantly, because the predator had no reason to respect Billy as an individual and take him up on the challenge. You can headcanon that maybe the Predator did uncloak and fight him 1v1 on the bridge, but it surely didn't take off its weapons or armor for the fight. It just killed him and moved on. It was the fact that Dutch singlehandedly evaded the predator and managed to counterattack and somewhat injure/spook it that caused it to take him seriously as an individual and decide to throw hands with him at the end. So in a sense you can say Dutch "beat" the predator by going so hard that he won enough of its respect to earn a "fair" fight at the end.
Commando is Schwazenegger best.