Prometheus (2013)

Was he right?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hate this android Black person like you wouldn't believe

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sort of.
    The Creator can not be all good if power can be exercised for evil purposes.
    If evil beings can have power the an all good Creator would be powerless to stop them without rewriting all of Creation.

    The failure to understand is the understanding of all good.
    If you see evil as an end result, then you miss the purpose of Creation.
    If you see evil as a process that must be used to refine good, than you can understand Creation and its full purpose.

    Once you do that, you can see evil as merely a function of good and therefore the paradox resolves without issue.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Predeterminism disagrees. Your theory suggests that god willingly and knowingly created some people whose sole purpose is to be evil.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >predeterminism
        another word for "I'm really too lazy to improve my lot in life so I will pretend that it's not my choice at all"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Predeterminism is a false logical path. It fails all tests, save the simplest.

        No, my theory states that God created people.
        People, being neither fully good or evil, as was necessary. He created them for both purposes. Those that find within themselves the capability to be good, overcome evil, in themselves and around them, as is necessary.
        Good can not grow and be refined in a perfect world, just as you can not cut and polish a gem without cracking the original stone.

        No, those people who confine themselves to just be evil chose that path, of their own free will, every time.
        They do it because it is easier and less painful than trying to be better. They would remain the uncut stone, as it hurts to cut away the parts that are crusted with detritus.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          An all-knowing god creates people with full knowledge of every choice they will ever make before they make them, including all the evil choices. Judas is a perfect example of this.
          >"I will now create Judas"
          >Judas betrays Jesus
          >"NOOO THERE WAS NO WAY I COULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING BETTER CONDEMN HIM TO HELL"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            judas literally had a choice to make and chose the wrong thing. he wasn't born just to make the wrong choice

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So you're saying god didn't know which choice he'd make?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what a stupid question to ask. Did you have any other choice but to make a bad post? frickin moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well, maybe you can answer the other question. Did God know that Judas would betray Jesus or not?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He knew he could.
                He knew exactly everything Judas could do in that situation.
                He knew all possibilities and probabilities in that situation.
                His knowledge of these did not predetermine anything, just as me knowing the possibilities/probabilites of it raining does not make it rain.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So god is not all-knowing but all-guessing? That's dumb.

                I'm not a christgay and saying "Frick you" doesn't break any of the commandments. You know what breaks the commandments? Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and their deliberate murder of children. Want to talk about that?

                I hate israelites more than you do, believe me

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I hate israelites more than you do, believe me
                Oh of course, that's why you do their bidding.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There is no answer to that question. It's like asking "What does purple taste like?" Sure, you can come up with an answer but it's entirely meaningless. let's say I answered it anon, you'd just say "you cant know that" or call me a liar or whatever.
                How about this, you tell me what color would express dignity to a gorilla and how you know that then we will go from there.
                That gorilla question is equally meaningful and well thought out as your question

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              He was asked to do so. Unless you only take Vatican canon as true canon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Predeterminism disagrees.
        Has predeterminism been proven empirically and is considered axiomatic?
        Don't think so kiddo lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        God's actions are predetermined.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes the most based way of doing shit
        seed variable, sometimes the random int generator rolls max evil

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If you see evil as a process that must be used to refine good, than you can understand Creation and its full purpose.
      But then why not create refined good from the start? Why the rigmarole?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He did, but humans preferred to have knowledge of both good and evil instead of just good.
        Now that we have passed the point of no return we complain that knowledge is just too tiresome and complex and beg God to return us to monke.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So basically he’s not all powerful, got it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >He did, but humans preferred to have knowledge of both good and evil instead of just good.
            So he didn't, then?

            So you're saying god didn't know which choice he'd make?

            >it's predetermined of me to have no actual argument, you fricking christgay

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No one's forcing you to debate, you can just shrug your shoulders and say "God works in mysterious ways", which is sadly what all theodicy ultimately devolves to.
              But if you insist on arguing at least try to make coherent arguments

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did god know or not? It's a simple question with a yes/no answer.

                why do determinismgays always argue in bad faith and when offered answers they just scream "well how do you know??" or "uuh no this doesn't satisfy me"?
                it was predetermined that you are just dense, looks like

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But you didn't offer an answer at all

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thanks for proving me right

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >determinismgays
                I’m one of the people arguing with you and I never labeled myself that. I don’t even know what that is. Just answer the question or say I don’t know.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Did god know or not? It's a simple question with a yes/no answer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A. How could anybody know the answer to this
                B. If a person did claim to know the answer, you'd just squeal "It would be impossible to know that! You're making it up"
                C. Frick you, moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A. It's not that complucated of a question
                B. That's a baseless assumption you made
                C. I don't think God would appreciate you breaking one of the ten commandments like that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a christgay and saying "Frick you" doesn't break any of the commandments. You know what breaks the commandments? Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and their deliberate murder of children. Want to talk about that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A. See

                A. Know that God is not like us. There is no limit to his knowledge, yet his knowledge has no influence on our choices. The only possibility left is that he knows ALL choices. Once you understand that, there is no conflict.
                B. This is standard for all predeterminists. You are correct that they always argue in bad faith as it excuses their bad choices and renders them blameless for their evil ways.
                C. Yes.

                B. Pattern recognition is not baseless.
                C. God would not care about the rules a bunch of deluded desert dwelling inbreds made up and claimed were his. Just as he would not care about the other poster pointing out that you are moronic. He would simply see what everyone involved would do. Would you continue to be moronic? Probabilities are high. Would you continue to be a tool? Probabilities are high. Would you learn a lesson? Probabilities are low.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A. Know that God is not like us. There is no limit to his knowledge, yet his knowledge has no influence on our choices. The only possibility left is that he knows ALL choices. Once you understand that, there is no conflict.
                B. This is standard for all predeterminists. You are correct that they always argue in bad faith as it excuses their bad choices and renders them blameless for their evil ways.
                C. Yes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You can’t have it both ways, anon. God is either all powerful or he is all good. You’ve shown that he’s not all powerful with your comments if he’s letting his creations run away from him and unable to create a utopia here on earth (but can somehow do so in heaven without infringing on “free will”).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >determinismgays
                I’m one of the people arguing with you and I never labeled myself that. I don’t even know what that is. Just answer the question or say I don’t know.

                >I'm predetermined to cope, you israelite golem!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >He did, but humans preferred to have knowledge of both good and evil instead of just good.
          So he didn't, then?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No. He didn't.
          He created animals. Being without knowledge of good or evil, can not be good.
          You have to know both to be able to choose one.

          >If you see evil as a process that must be used to refine good, than you can understand Creation and its full purpose.
          But then why not create refined good from the start? Why the rigmarole?

          You can not. He can not. Nothing can create good without it knowing evil and overcoming it. You try and you get rebellions and The Fall.
          Without the forging of a soul in the cauldron of free will you get weakness and the likelihood of a corruption to evil, usually through Pride, but Lust is another big one, as shown by the Watchers and the Nephilim.
          At least if you believe that legend, which I don't.
          What I do believe is that those legends were invented to show us the logical fallacies that certain lines of thought lead to, like your.

          Truth is, just as you can not have only one side of a coin, you can not have good without evil. You must transcend evil to prove your goodness.

          An all-knowing god creates people with full knowledge of every choice they will ever make before they make them, including all the evil choices. Judas is a perfect example of this.
          >"I will now create Judas"
          >Judas betrays Jesus
          >"NOOO THERE WAS NO WAY I COULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING BETTER CONDEMN HIM TO HELL"

          Funny thing is, yes, most people know their choices and choose the easy path. That easy path is often evil. Yes, we know it. Deep down we always know it. We lie to ourselves to allow ourselves to take the evil path, but we know the truth when we stop and think.

          As far as Hell, we are in it. We burn in ignorance, hate, fear and all the passions that lead us astray. We burn every day of our lives. Burning the edges of our soul over and over again in hell, mostly of our own making.
          The only way out is through the knowledge that we must choose the good path. We must take the hard choices and do the right things. It will hurt. We will wish we did not do it. We will suffer. But through the suffering, we learn what is actually good and what is evil.
          Once we have internalized this knowledge and know that we always have to take the correct choice, we get out.
          Simple as that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >He created animals.

            No. He didn't.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, he did.
              We were animals until we ate of the tree.
              Once we bite in, our consciousness awakened and we became like him. We could see possibilities rather than just what was laid before us. We became like our Creator.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What on earth are you talking about

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because the process is beautiful. It's like God is writing a symphony and you're going why are there minor notes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Death, rape, misery are all minor notes? Got it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh boohoo uh boohoohoo guys god is le evil because pain exists how could he do this to me? I better act like a homosexual about it and pout

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Keep whining b***h, it's just a minor note

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                im not the one complaining anon, you're the homosexual atheist getting all buttblasted over death rape and misery not me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Once you do that, you can see evil as merely a function of good and therefore the paradox resolves without issue.
      Then you don't have good and evil.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And you fail the test.
        You deserve to stay and suffer.
        You will learn or you will stay and burn for eternity.
        Those are the only choices.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          When you die you cease to exist. You've wasted your life studying and doing mental gymnastics for a israeli desert myth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/luWz0G9.jpg

      Was he right?

      is this quote not from an exercise in logical thinking by ancient greeks? they just borrowed it for the film

      It's from a logical sequence by Epicurus which isn't put in the movie fully because people only care for short, functional dogmas. The same reason this Christcuck is still hanging on to his belief, because he cannot fathom a world which is meaningless. Everyone who is religious is the same, as in that they're wrong.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is this quote not from an exercise in logical thinking by ancient greeks? they just borrowed it for the film

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's a quote from an ancient greek who was BTFOd by more competent philosophers so many times even during his time

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >No one realizes that this scene is from Alien: Covenant and not Prometheus.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I realised and I said nothing. I listened instead, which is what no one else did.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't it be all-powerfull and all-good?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      because its god not my wiener

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      because muh fly-bitten somalians…

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, he was a robot.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would a perfect god create humans in the first place?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because he is bored?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If God is God then he can do whatever he wants. Including lifting the rock he can't lift.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy another thread where religiongays cope for 300+ replies and no one convinces anyone of anything. Quality thread, OP.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can understand faith in a god of sorts but specifically the God of the Hebrews? How do people that aren't Arabs even look themselves in the mirror let alone say "amen" out loud.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All atheists are by default anti-Semites and deny the right of Israel to exist yet you never hear them talk about it while Israel is actively geocoding people. These same atheists will piss and moan about all the evil in the Bible, but when israelites are currently doing the exact same evil shit they did in the Bible to basically the same frickin people, atheists see fit to spend their time arguing about if God could microwave a burrito so hot he couldn't eat it, while also being smug about how they've got it all figured out. frickin tools, im not even a Christ gay for fricks sake, just a person trying to being morally consistent and honest in this world. atheists, well, they sure as frick aren't doing that so frick em. frick em all with a bowl of cold spaghetti

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most atheists still have the Christian moral predisposition, so they're still israelite slaves. They just don't believe in god.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >2013
    no, prometheus came out 5 years ago at most.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No this has always been a CRAWLING IN MY SKIN take.
    >abloo bloo the universe isnt perfect so I get to do whatever I want

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God has no idea what he's doing.
    He's just trying shit out and we have to deal with it.
    Also he's okay with us telling him he's wrong and dumb, because in the void of godhood there's no reference points. He'd simply agree and allow us to take over governance of the cosmos.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The quote isn't even from this movie. It's something Lex Luthor says in BvS.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is morality just something that humans came up with?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      probably

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it makes sense that we would though. we have to sleep every day for an extended period of time. it seems pretty reasonable that if nothing else could ever be agreed on re "moral questions", everybody frickin hates being woken from sleep. I could see a scenario where so called morality could develop just as a consequence of living next to other people and everybody frickin hates it when they are dragged from sleep. a basic agreement could be arranged, even if no other agreements like no stealing or killing, just to let each other sleep. it's overall self destructive to not have such an agreement. if nobody could ever get any long term sleep, our brains wouldn't work right and we eventually go nuts. I like to think that as soon as people starting pairing up and living together, the basic necessity of a sleep agreement starts the path to later "morality"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was probably a lot of things that emerged together. All social animals like wolves, whales and apes have a kind of morality that helps them survive as a group.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >something that humans came up with
      It's an emergent property of humans and social structures. You can't just "come up" with it because it's deeply rooted in our genes, traditions, etc. You can influence it, obviously. But you can't change it arbitrarily.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are 2 Gods, a Deist and a Pantheist.

    The Deist god is like a Prime Mover. Perfect in all ways and and free of attachment. It neither created nor concerns itself with the physical world.
    The Pantheist god however is a being of desire. It willed itself into existence to try and emulate the Deist god. It intervenes with reality constantly, but because it is both the marble and the sculpter, and thus creates its own suffering. And it fricks up regularly.
    We are simply that God experiencing it's own Creation.

    In the end, neither is worth worshipping. The former would not listen, and the latter would be vanity.
    The only solution is to imagine that Sisyphus is happy.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Alien Romulus teaser trailer:

    %3D%3D

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is it the videoquality or do the sets look weirdly cgi-y?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The video quality on yt is bad for some reason

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why did he kill the harkonnen planet

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    define good? what it means to be good? god is justice and justice is good but it is not always something pretty to look at

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's just rehashing Epicurus' paradox. It still hasnt been solved over 2000 years later but isnt some new idea.
    people could see this obvious fact even back then

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