Why did Paul struggle so much against Elvis Presley. Wasn't he high on mind boosting cinnamon + collective memories from ancient warrior ancestors + literally future visions?
In the book the fight isn't nearly as close. Paul absolutely fricking burries him.
Not only did they remove the poison needle, but they also removed the ironic ending to their fight. >Paul has been trying to find a different path to winning, without Jihad happening, but all his paths lead to it. >Feyd only wins the fight with the Atreides gladiator, by saying a special word that makes the guys muscles relax. >Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it >Paul however refuses to go down the path of making Feyd lose strength/concentration with a special phrase, so that he can land a killing blow >When pressured to say it, Paul yells out that he won't say it, and that makes Feyd hesitate for the moment it takes for Paul to land a killing blow >Paul tried to take a different route and yet he made the exact same thing happen as was predicted
>First you have the Feyd vs Gladiator scene be a Feyd and Thufir plot, to make it look like an assassination attempt by the Baron >Have Feyd use the key word, to momentarily shock the Galdiator before striking him down >Have Margot tell the other Bene Gesserit that aside from carrying Feyd's kid, she also implanted a shut down code word into his mind >Have Jessica tell Paul before the final fight, that Feyd can be defeated by a codeword >When Paul had his back against the wall he sees Jessica mouth something like "say it", to which Paul replies "I will not say it!" >Follow that up with Feyd getting a distracted look on his face, with a blade piercing his throat the next second
And then you let the audience draw the conclusions.
>>Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it
This would be kino in anime style, ninja-fu, or kaiju combat. Instead the book lays it out like, "oh by the way..." Totally flat and nauseating.
That's because the entire book is about characters reading the smallest details in each other's body language. Especially Bene Gesserit. It's established mid book that Margot fricked Feyd. Jessica knows how Bene Gesserit operate, and she sees signs in Feyd behavior, that he has been implanted with a muscle relaxing word. She also guesses the universal word that they use, quite possibly so that any bene gesserit can disable a person of interest, should the need arise (Jessica being the first rogue BG they have had to deal with). So Jessica passes to Paul that there is a way to safely and easily win the fight, but Paul refuses it.
I don't know what you expected from Dune, since literally every other page is about characters autistically reading into the way someone talks, walks, smiles or blinks.
yeah the fight really wasn't that good or impactful. the most impactful scenes were when he was marching with worms or they were blowing shit up. everything else kind of fell flat
The fight was unimpressive because Denis literally took all the interesting bits out of it, and made it as straight forward and basic knife fight as possible. Even gave it the John Wick finishing move with the hero stabbing himself to get the knife.
Changing Alia to a fetus is what ruined the ending. It just seems boring and cliche without a 2 year old girl being the one to assassinate the baron.
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It was awful, in the book she’s so likable. Not sure why they wanted her to be such a b***h all the time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I really thought they were gonna have Chani kill the Baron. Somehow it turned out even worse.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If it was literally anyone besides Paul it would have been better.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yep. It would've been clunky, but the basic metaphor of the distraction of a large pressing force in Paul and the slow blade that was actually killing in Alia could've been transfered to someone. Instead, it's just the pressing force.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They could have had Jessica do it with Alia mind-controlling her from the womb. Why didn’t they think of that?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>foreshadowing possession
That's way too good of an idea, that's why
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have been saying that for a while. The Baron's death scene could have been done by replacing Aila with Jessica. >Have the sardukar capture Jessica >She is brought in front of the emperor, but talks down to him >Reverend Mother is disgusted by the abomination in Jessica's womb, and wants her dead >Jessica warns them that "her son is coming", before the nuke goes off >In the chaos, Jessica Gom Jabbars the Baron, while calling him father >And the Jessica slips out during the chaos
Aila being in her stomach would have given the Reverend Mother a reason to be mad/horrified at Jessica, and her using the Gom on the Baron, would have been right, because it is a BG weapon. And since Aila is conscious in the womb, then by proxy she is there for Baron's death. Maybe the poisoned and dying Baron, hallucinates the teenage Alia standing there in front of him, instead of Jessica?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>dying Baron hallucinates seeing a teenage Alia >teenage Alia hallucinates seeing the Baron
pottery
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Changing Alia to a fetus is what ruined the ending. It just seems boring and cliche without a 2 year old girl being the one to assassinate the baron.
Agreed. the movie failed to highlight the power of spice in its most concentrated form. Like who gives a shit if the fetus is talking. Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
>It was awful, in the book she’s so likable
Yeah, how am I supposed to sympathize with her when Paul has to become a messiah and marry the princess when she acts like a spoiled fricking brat all over the place. she couldn't even stand there and take it like a woman. the bene gesserits are some of the most powerful women in their universe, literally controlling nations and weaving the fate of planets.
then you have chani who can't even see how much power she actually has and runs off.
Dune is one of those books where you're like holy shit women are really fricking powerful, and in the midst of female empowerment they turn chani into a weak c**t
3 months ago
Anonymous
For whatever reason Hollywood can’t seem to translate that kind of subtle, mystical superhuman ability from a serious novel very well anymore. If it’s not video game/comic book pew pew they don’t know how to convey it. Even Jackson’s LOTR didn’t do a very good job at showing what the ring actually does
3 months ago
Anonymous
Someone was probably worried modern audiences wouldn't be able to handle it if the female lead meekly settled for becoming a concubine while the hero marries a princess.
3 months ago
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>Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
The best part of Dunc 2 was baby Ayylia making pro-choice roasties cope and Seth.
3 months ago
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>Like who gives a shit if the fetus is talking. Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
They're Harkonnen without knowing it
Paul making the emperor get down and kiss his fathers ring was the best part of the movie for me
3 months ago
Anonymous
Disagree because the emperor's lips didn't even touch the ring.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The real kino moment of the duel is
a) paul trying to escape prescience and failing
b) paul shitting bricks because there's a guy in the room he never saw in his vision
c) that guy, who should at this point be hyped as the strongest person in the imperium, who could have killed paul, ordered to duel him and he declines, telling the emperor he won't follow his orders
3 months ago
Anonymous
>paul shitting bricks because there's a guy in the room he never saw in his vision >that guy, who should... ordered to duel him and he declines, telling the emperor he won't follow his orders
i'm confused
3 months ago
Anonymous
Read the books.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I already have, I just thought you were talking about stuff in the film even though none of it was present.
3 months ago
Anonymous
of course you are, dennis the hack skips all of that.
>instead it's replaced with Zandaya acting above her station in every scene and being focused on, down to riding multiple worms.
3 months ago
Anonymous
BRAVA VILLENEUVE!
3 months ago
Anonymous
of course you are, dennis the hack skips all of that.
>>Paul has been trying to find a different path to winning, without Jihad happening, but all his paths lead to it. >>Feyd only wins the fight with the Atreides gladiator, by saying a special word that makes the guys muscles relax. >>Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it >>Paul however refuses to go down the path of making Feyd lose strength/concentration with a special phrase, so that he can land a killing blow >>When pressured to say it, Paul yells out that he won't say it, and that makes Feyd hesitate for the moment it takes for Paul to land a killing blow >>Paul tried to take a different route and yet he made the exact same thing happen as was predicted
KINOOOOO
They shouldve kept that. He feels like such a non-threat in the movie that having him be extra scumbag and dirty in his fight would give the movie drama.
You missed the point. The battle is meaningless. Paul is revealed to be of Harkonnen blood, so regardless of who wins the duel, a Harkonnen takes the throne. It's also established that Feyd is a sadomasochist and it's heavily implied during the colosseum fight on Geidi Prime that he's been waiting for someone who can best him in battle. Having him cheat would have undercut a lot of what Villeneuve was building to.
I'm sure that's a competently shot action sequence but it sounds really lame in the context of Dune. Why choose to adapt such a weird series just to sanitize it and dumb it down for the sake of mass appeal?
3 months ago
Anonymous
The second Dune book is basically >A face changer gathers a guild navigator, Bene Gesserit reverand mother and irulan together as a group of conspirators against the bloody dictator Paul >They have a resurrected mentat Duncan Idaho, who they want to gift to Paul, hoping that he will let his guard down around an old friend >Chani can't give birth because Irulan is making her infertile with drugs, but eventually she gives birth when she figures out the ploy >Chani dies in childbirth, and Irulan changes her mind and wants to raise the twins >There is a nuke attack and Paul goes blind.Despite Fremen custom saying that Paul should walk into the desert to die, Paul stays in command and used his powers to see. >Duncan get his memories back. >The face changer wants to murder Paul's kids, but Paul sees through his son's eyes, and kills the guy with a knife throw >In the end, Paul willingly walks into the desert, and while Fremen were losing faith in him before, that act makes them turbo worship him again
That's about all that I remember from way back when.
what the frick, so it's just a normal knife fight between two dudes in the movie or what?
Yeah its honestly the only genuinely weak point of the movie imo.
Removing the whole nuance of the book fight makes sense since it is a 3 hour movie at the end of the day, but even then having Paul just kill him instantly without breaking a sweat wouldve been so much better.
Subverting the expectations of the great finale fight the movie built up to + showing how powerful post water of life Paul is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the only genuinely weak point of the movie imo.
except the director and the cast
He literally has a massive struggle where he thinks he's gonna die if he doesn't use the secret Bene Gesserit word to freeze Feyd, but ultimately decides death is preferable. It's very close
Feyd-Rotha had what is called the power of screenplay. This power is needed to keep the viewer invested. Otherwise, it would have been a bore.
P.S: Movie is overrated, enjoyable but overrated.
Feyd Rautha was supposed to be the father of the Kwisatz Haderach so his genes are basically 99% there and he was an excellent fighter trained in Giedi Prime's fighting pits. The movie also makes him prescient like Paul
Could Feyd have survived the Water of Life and become a Kwisatz Haderach since he was suppose to be the father on the hypothetical one if Lady Jessica didn't frick over the Bene Gesserit?
The Kwisatz Haderach is a male. The kid Feyd fostered with Lady Fenring was a girl and this was done to secure the Harkonnen bloodline. The Bene Jesserit as eugenics hold royal blood as very valuable and knew that this war would wipe out both or all of the Atriedis and Harkonnens so this was their insurance policy. Lady Fenring even says that is a girl shes pregant with.
They cut this from the movie, but in the book Lady Fenring is married to Count Fenring who is the right hand man to the Emperor and known as the biggest badass swordsman around and its later revealed that he was a failed attempt at creating the Kwisatz Haderach
they use knives because they developed full body shields but then found out laser weapons make the shields into nuclear bombs so everyone is scared to use them now
You'd think they'd just stop using shields or do suicide nuke bombings by shooting a volunteer wearing a shield. Herbert went overboard on the logic side of things for the aesthetic
They do kind of do that in the books. Duncan set up a dummy with a shield on it so a Harkonnen warship fires a lasergun on it which causes it to basically nuke itself.
They also try to get around the shield with ballistic weapons in some cases, but they are all so used to swords that they just use those now for the most part.
The issue is that it is essentially a nuclear explosion in a universe where use of nuclear weapons is forbidden and Houses that violate the Great Convention get nuked in turn by everyone. So it isn't a safe tactic to use deliberately since an accusation of using a nuke is a death sentence.
Only some still do randomly use lasers in the movie, like when the they lead Evil Drax into a trap. Or do the Fremen not have those shields? If not, how are the fights not completely one-sided, with the Harkonnens just mowing them down with missiles and lasers?
I really should have been a filmmaker. This whole generation of young people was raised on nothing but bottom of the barrel MCU slop. All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting and they shit their pants like they're viewing the Mona Lisa for the first time. If you put any modicum of effort into your movie, their little minds are blown.
This is objectively true, and the one thing that's giving me hope is that everything is so shitty that we're really due for a new cinematic renaissance. Surely there are hungry young auteurs out there that hate movies as much as Cinemaphile does and are looking to cut their teeth making something better.
You’re kidding right? Dune is just bother IP remake/redo/reimagined. That’s everything new. Wow, Godzilla-King Kong movie coming out. Kung Fu Panda 4, Despicable Me 4, Deadpool 3. Beetlejuice 2z What big original movie is coming out?
>You’re kidding right? Dune is just bother IP remake/redo/reimagined
Why would I be kidding? Nothing I said in any way contradicts this observation. I'm not saying Dune is the movie that's going to start this hypothetical revolution. It hasn't happened yet.
>Surely there are hungry young auteurs out there that hate movies as much as Cinemaphile does and are looking to cut their teeth making something better.
Don't worry anon, it has begun. A manager and producer finally got back to me yesterday saying they loved my script, and I've got plenty more where that kino came from.
Too old now. Already attempted and failed at my whole "I'm going to be famous one day" arc but in a different medium. Don't have the energy to try again. And also I'm not israeli
I really should have been a filmmaker. This whole generation of young people was raised on nothing but bottom of the barrel MCU slop. All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting and they shit their pants like they're viewing the Mona Lisa for the first time. If you put any modicum of effort into your movie, their little minds are blown.
Frick off. Cast choices like Zendaya is shit. But the movie itself isn’t mediocre. Better any anything Lucas shit out with his awful prequels. Won’t even mention Nu Wars. I have nostalgia for Lynch Dune because I grew up on it’s bad. Sci Fi series is decent for its budget
>But the movie itself isn’t mediocre
It's also not revolutionary. It's just a nice looking movie. I have nothing bad to say about Villeneuve, but had this movie come out 20 years ago, it wouldn't look nearly as good as it does in comparison. Something like this comes out once every few years and people lose their minds because filmmakers who actually give a damn about the craft are depressingly uncommon.
Key word there is supposedly. Avatar is a big stupid piece of shit. If anything, it helped to herald in the age of shooting things in a big green box and filling it in later. I guess you could argue that Cameron was utilizing techniques that were novel at the time, but frick that movie. I hate it.
With avatar they spent the money to actually film everything in 3D instead of just pasting cgi on top of 2D camera footage. Avatar was a filming technique demo more than an actual movie, it was supposed to launch a new era of 3D filming but the studios thought they could just do everything with CGI and didn’t need to invest in a new method of shooting. Movies like dune could have been filmed the way avatar was and they would look much better
>Better any anything Lucas shit out with his awful prequels.
I'd say Lucas is superior for the fact that he knows how to cut a movie. Villeneuve's films are both too slow and too quick, with some horrendous scene transitions.
I really should have been a filmmaker. This whole generation of young people was raised on nothing but bottom of the barrel MCU slop. All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting and they shit their pants like they're viewing the Mona Lisa for the first time. If you put any modicum of effort into your movie, their little minds are blown.
>All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting
I don't like how much this applies to me
>The Spice makes those who control it wealthy beyond the dreams of Croesus himself >And their environments look like a Soviet era community swimming pool circa 1974
Lynch created a rich and detailed set of environments then focused on the characters within them.
Villeneuve creates sterile and brutal environments and populated them with stereotypes that he clearly doesn’t care about.
Total horseshit. Lynch blazes through the material at such breakneck speed that a number of the characters (Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Stilgar) are basically indistinguishable from each other unless you've read the book. The characters in Lynch's dune are nothing more than archetypes - Paul is the hero, Baron is the bad guy, etc. whereas Villeneuve actually expands on them and turns them into real characters. In Villeneuve's Dune you actually understand why the Baron is the way he is, he's the inevitable byproduct of a back-stabbing society that emphasizes power above all else. In Lynch's Dune he's just evil. Paul is conflicted and has some ambiguity to him in Villeneuve's Dune. Villeneuve takes the time to show the critical ways in which he is fundamentally unlike his father, whereas in Lynch's Dune he's just a generic hero with no defining characteristics of any kind and is essentially a carbon copy of his dead dad.
As for the visuals, Lynch's don't have any commonality to them, they're just a hodgepodge of unrelated looking shit, so they don't look like real environments of a complete universe. There isn't really even a strong enough distinction between the way the planets look. Arrakis is supposed to be harsh and inhospitable, yet beautiful. Lynch's Arrakis just looks like a desert.
>whereas Villeneuve actually expands on them and turns them into real characters.
And yet he takes the very well written book characters, and strips them down to one or two personality traits.
>Lynch blazes through the material at such breakneck speed that a number of the characters (Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Stilgar) are basically indistinguishable from each other unless you've read the book.
Lynch was forced to cut his 5 hour movie down because the directors thought people weren't going to watch it
The movie is 5 hours long.
5 fricking hours
And you watched none of it. Go frick yourself, it was great aside from those voice weapons.
Ye but consider how differently vast wealth is expressed by the 1% today compared to their pre-industrial predecessors. Now extrapolate from that ten thousand years into the future. Dune nobility control the economic output of entire solar systems; richly dyed robes or even a giant throne made of pure gold and diamond isn't going to impress anyone. That sort of mineral wealth is lying around in every space rock.
I especially like what Villeneuve's done with the architecture in this regard. The palaces we see on Caladan and Arrakis are all built out of locally quarried stone or into the rock itself, left unpainted and unornamennted except in private living spaces, often mirroring natural geological forms. It emphasises the real wealth and powerbase of the great houses, which is their mastery of their planetary fiefs themselves. That's what they would want their subjects to percieve. That their families are as much an immutable part of their worlds as the mountains themselves. It makes perfect sense.
>Villeneuve creates sterile and brutal environments and populated them with stereotypes that he clearly doesn’t care about.
no shit! this is only news to turboplebzoomers
I didnt like the switchero Dennie did with how the Fremen reacted to Paul being their messiah. The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him. It highlights in politics the revolutionary spirit of young people vs the measured patient and calmer minds of the older generation.
I think this was meant to appeal to the younger viewer audience in a sort of virtue signaling thing. Saying that these old boomers are sooo stupid and gullible, but not like us 22 yo who know everything.
Theres a lot in the movie that was changed that sort of breaks the story.
>The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him.
Completely agree! Makes more sense with the whole culture is shaped by your environment-theme...where the hell did chani learn about bg manipulation
>The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him.
We can't have young people respecting the experience of their elders in current year, now can we?
Why was Chani so pissy the entire movie? It's one thing to be the dissenting voice occasionally but literally nothing Paul did say right with her. Even when he clearly shows he can see past and future she's still pissy. And the worst part is she supposedly wants Arrakis to be free but is then buttmad that millions of Fremen are about to rise up and liberate Arrakis on belief that Paul is the Messiah. He's literally getting everyone to do the thing you want to do so why are you scowling the entire movie.
>doesn't have an accent like the rest of the Fremen >acts like a whiny city brat the entire film >almost every scene is her being angry >movie ends with her getting mad and riding a sandworm, not paul
Can someone make this make sense?
Also thank g*d they killed off the majority of the POC diversity hire actors that were in the first film. Part 2 was 1000x better without the diversity hires.
lea seydoux should've been cast as the princess, what a huge waste of a character. why did the emperor have a new jersey accent?
zendaya ruined the movie for me. She pulls this stink face in every scene. Paul is saving your people you rotten c**t be happy. The director as 0 fraith in the audience.
>Also thank g*d they killed off the majority of the POC diversity hire actors that were in the first film.
uh, I m not the only one who noticed. all those magical africans disappeared with a poof.
They got everyone hooked on the first film, then swapped out ALL the POC for White people: Austin Butler, Lea Seydoux, Florence Pig, Anya Taylor Joy, Christopher Walken
>doesn't have an accent like the rest of the Fremen >acts like a whiny city brat the entire film >almost every scene is her being angry >movie ends with her getting mad and riding a sandworm, not paul
Can someone make this make sense?
Also thank g*d they killed off the majority of the POC diversity hire actors that were in the first film. Part 2 was 1000x better without the diversity hires.
lea seydoux should've been cast as the princess, what a huge waste of a character. why did the emperor have a new jersey accent?
She was by far the worst part of the entire series, both her character and Muttdaya herself
>doesn't have an accent like the rest of the Fremen
I had this exact complaint too. Her dad is Liet-Keynes, who has an "imperial accent", but she was raised on Arrakis with the Fremen from her birth, and didn't know him, right? She should either speak with a very heavy Fremen accent like Stilgar (who I couldn't understand a word of because he did an overexaggerated accent which sounded like dogshit) or no English at all. I think Muttdaya was just lazy and didn't wanna do an accent because it's too heckin hard, and nobody had to balls to tell her anything because if she drops out of the move, zoomoids won't wanna watch
>acts like a whiny city brat the entire film >almost every scene is her being angry >movie ends with her getting mad and riding a sandworm, not paul
Yeah this was also fricking awful. Why in the frick does she think she has the right to complain when Paul takes the princess as his wife?? That's the fricking Princess of the known universe, and you're a literal dunecoon mutt. b***h, you're lucky he's even banging you in the first place. And it's clear he likes you, so when he becomes Emperor, you're obviously gonna be the Head Concubine, you dumb b***h. All you gotta do is play nice, have a smile on your face when you greet him, and work the Imperial dick hen he requests, and your entire life is on easy street. Do you know how many women in this universe would do anything to be in your position?
I really don't get why zoomcels like this b***h so much. She's a dogshit actress and she's an ugly mutt. What's wrong with those fricking idiots?
So what the frick is Dune Part 3 going to be about? They really think they can cover the second book in 1 movie, after rushing the Part 2 of the first book?
They're already floating the "le book accurate alternate timeline" horseshit. There's a thread up now. It's not going to be Messiah as anyone knows it.
The second Dune book is basically >A face changer gathers a guild navigator, Bene Gesserit reverand mother and irulan together as a group of conspirators against the bloody dictator Paul >They have a resurrected mentat Duncan Idaho, who they want to gift to Paul, hoping that he will let his guard down around an old friend >Chani can't give birth because Irulan is making her infertile with drugs, but eventually she gives birth when she figures out the ploy >Chani dies in childbirth, and Irulan changes her mind and wants to raise the twins >There is a nuke attack and Paul goes blind.Despite Fremen custom saying that Paul should walk into the desert to die, Paul stays in command and used his powers to see. >Duncan get his memories back. >The face changer wants to murder Paul's kids, but Paul sees through his son's eyes, and kills the guy with a knife throw >In the end, Paul willingly walks into the desert, and while Fremen were losing faith in him before, that act makes them turbo worship him again
That's about all that I remember from way back when.
It's actually easier to adapt that book, compared to the first one. First one has so much stuff in it, that 60% of the meat of the story has to be cut out. Messiah comes in about 200+ pages, and is mostly dialogue driven story, with maybe 2 action scenes. They already adapted it for TV, and it worked pretty well.
What I was trying to say is that the plot in general would not rub well on modern audiences. The TV show was made 24 years ago; with all the politically correctness, they'd have to change the entire thing to keep Chani alive and give Paul a powerful daughter or something.
the second dune book is a fricking nosedive in quality and I hope denis avoids it like the fricking plague. Herbert was seething when he wrote it and it shows.
The second Dune book is basically >A face changer gathers a guild navigator, Bene Gesserit reverand mother and irulan together as a group of conspirators against the bloody dictator Paul >They have a resurrected mentat Duncan Idaho, who they want to gift to Paul, hoping that he will let his guard down around an old friend >Chani can't give birth because Irulan is making her infertile with drugs, but eventually she gives birth when she figures out the ploy >Chani dies in childbirth, and Irulan changes her mind and wants to raise the twins >There is a nuke attack and Paul goes blind.Despite Fremen custom saying that Paul should walk into the desert to die, Paul stays in command and used his powers to see. >Duncan get his memories back. >The face changer wants to murder Paul's kids, but Paul sees through his son's eyes, and kills the guy with a knife throw >In the end, Paul willingly walks into the desert, and while Fremen were losing faith in him before, that act makes them turbo worship him again
That's about all that I remember from way back when.
Don’t forget >Tleiaxu send a dwarf for tempt Paul with resurrected Chani as a ghola and Paul orders Duncan to beat the midge’s brains in
So that's it. They introduce the Sardaukar as this elite force that obliterates everyone and lives for battle; then the Fremen and Paul obliterate them in seconds?
At least in David Lynch's film, you didn't even know the Sardaukar were lethal.
It's in following with the theme of hubristic leaders who think they're in control of everything, believing the prisoner mercs they have can't be beat by anyone. You're not necessarily supposed to believe they're unstoppable, just that everyone else you're reading about does. I do not know how this goes in the movie and won't be finding out.
>theme of hubristic leaders who think they're in control of everything
Okay, they did not convey this in the movie AT ALL. They introduced the Sardaukar as this insane elite force visually, instead of politically. So when part 2 came around, Sardaukar were completely forgotten about. The name wasn't even mentioned until the end when the rushed battle took place and Paul said, "kill the Sardaukar"
Those guys in the background were so fricking kino, specially their walks, creepy as frick. I very much would like to see more Bene Tleilax's creations.
Gurney asks Paul "Let me deal with this animal m'lord." I know he's a master warrior in his own right and he trained Paul in the first place, but could he actually have beaten Feyd Rautha?
I haven't read the books, so I thought a captured Gurney would fight Feyd in the arena and that those gimp-aliens would pounce when Gurney was about to finish Feyd off, only to have Feyd refuse to win that way and instead have Gurney dragged back to his cell. A subplot of Gurney breaking out and getting to Arakkis would have been kino.
Did you guys prefer seeing it in IMAX or Dolby?
I think I liked the latter more due to the enhanced audio and my theater having better seats in that theater over the IMAX one (I also saw The Matrix in Dolby tonight and it was incredible).
Same, probably my favorite part of the movie and I wish we got more of it.
Every Harkonnen scene without Batista (besides the one where he kisses the boot) is kino.
Herbert believed in the concept that if you're brought up in harsh conditions you'll end up tougher.
Living on an inhospitable hellworld made the fremen into insane ultra-pragmatists who will do anything to win or survive. Women and the elderly will swarm enemies and fall on their blades just so someone has a chance to stick a knife in him, mothers will throw their own infants as a distraction.
So why Dunc made Feyd a chud? He was supposed to be super charismatic and beautiful man and as the baron planned, he was supposed to be the great savior from Rabban tyranny.
Wait until you find out that book Rabban was actually a pretty smart guy, but Thufir and the Baron fricked him over, so that Feyd could liberate Arrakis from his supposed tyranny.
Dune related question: how does stilgar make those weird watery whistling birdcalls? Not the squidgy farty ones but the one right near the start and before they hit the spice depot? I've been trying for days but haven't succeeded.
wish we had more feyd shenanigans. he was so hyped up only to immediately job. I don't get this film it feels long as frick while feeling rushed as shit.
films sucks donkey ass. it could and should have hyped up Count Fenring and in the film climax he effectively declines to kill paul. Instead he doesn't even exist.
FRICK YOU DENNIS
Kinda but not as blatant, the baron schemes all the time and no matter how you phrase it anybody looking to take over a world no matter what is always gonna be mustache twirling.
The first time the book visits the Baron, he's in a dark room spinning a golden globe of arrakis in the palm of his hand while enshrouded in shadow talking to piter and Rabban. They talk about their scheme to kill Leto atreides and Piter is giggling like an evil gremlin and the Baron tells him to shut up, but also thinks about how he controls piter's every whim through his addiction to spice and inflicting pain on others. The Baron laments that he has to kill Paul because he thinks it's a waste for such a pretty boy. At the end of the chapter he comes out of the shadow and he is described as immensely fat and covered in leprosy, and he asks someone behind he door to bring in a little boy for him as a treat.
> Book Chani is raised in a polygamous culture so while Paul doing a political marriage is painful, she can get past it > Villenullo Chani scowls and storms off
trash
>implying they were going to allow men to have a polygamy in a 2024 modern movie
You had to think the Fremen were these saintly and oppressed peoples. Only the Harkonnen (pure white) men were bad and evil. Only the Harkonnen have polygamy. White men bad.
I was so confused, like what's the point of him being stabbed. Feyd Rautha should've lost because he was wienery and a dirty fighter. Not because Paul withstood TWO stab wounds.
>not a single mention of kanly, ever >fast strikes, no shields >no poison, making Feyd Rautha a more sympathetic figure
Somehow not even as good as the lynch finale, which should've been a very low bar.
>>no poison, making Feyd Rautha a more sympathetic figure
They could have actually expanded on that, showing the harkonen plan to arrakis was putting a much more honorable good competent guy leading it vs rabban. Instead its like this middle of the road thing where he is a super shitty person but then he's not really scheming during the final fight. It's very bizarre
Why did Paul struggle so much against Elvis Presley. Wasn't he high on mind boosting cinnamon + collective memories from ancient warrior ancestors + literally future visions?
Sounds like he was juggling a lot of stuff, probably pretty hard to focus
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He was another genetic superfreak and one step removed from Paul's lineage.
In the book the fight isn't nearly as close. Paul absolutely fricking burries him.
Like when he fought Janis in the first movie?
They removed the Feyd being a dirty cheater aspect too. No poison blade.
Not only did they remove the poison needle, but they also removed the ironic ending to their fight.
>Paul has been trying to find a different path to winning, without Jihad happening, but all his paths lead to it.
>Feyd only wins the fight with the Atreides gladiator, by saying a special word that makes the guys muscles relax.
>Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it
>Paul however refuses to go down the path of making Feyd lose strength/concentration with a special phrase, so that he can land a killing blow
>When pressured to say it, Paul yells out that he won't say it, and that makes Feyd hesitate for the moment it takes for Paul to land a killing blow
>Paul tried to take a different route and yet he made the exact same thing happen as was predicted
how the frick would they put enough context clues in the movie for the average marvel slop homosexual to pick up on it
>First you have the Feyd vs Gladiator scene be a Feyd and Thufir plot, to make it look like an assassination attempt by the Baron
>Have Feyd use the key word, to momentarily shock the Galdiator before striking him down
>Have Margot tell the other Bene Gesserit that aside from carrying Feyd's kid, she also implanted a shut down code word into his mind
>Have Jessica tell Paul before the final fight, that Feyd can be defeated by a codeword
>When Paul had his back against the wall he sees Jessica mouth something like "say it", to which Paul replies "I will not say it!"
>Follow that up with Feyd getting a distracted look on his face, with a blade piercing his throat the next second
And then you let the audience draw the conclusions.
too easy. wouldve been kino
>>Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it
This would be kino in anime style, ninja-fu, or kaiju combat. Instead the book lays it out like, "oh by the way..." Totally flat and nauseating.
That's because the entire book is about characters reading the smallest details in each other's body language. Especially Bene Gesserit. It's established mid book that Margot fricked Feyd. Jessica knows how Bene Gesserit operate, and she sees signs in Feyd behavior, that he has been implanted with a muscle relaxing word. She also guesses the universal word that they use, quite possibly so that any bene gesserit can disable a person of interest, should the need arise (Jessica being the first rogue BG they have had to deal with). So Jessica passes to Paul that there is a way to safely and easily win the fight, but Paul refuses it.
I don't know what you expected from Dune, since literally every other page is about characters autistically reading into the way someone talks, walks, smiles or blinks.
>"oh by the way..."
kino
yeah the fight really wasn't that good or impactful. the most impactful scenes were when he was marching with worms or they were blowing shit up. everything else kind of fell flat
The fight was unimpressive because Denis literally took all the interesting bits out of it, and made it as straight forward and basic knife fight as possible. Even gave it the John Wick finishing move with the hero stabbing himself to get the knife.
Changing Alia to a fetus is what ruined the ending. It just seems boring and cliche without a 2 year old girl being the one to assassinate the baron.
It was awful, in the book she’s so likable. Not sure why they wanted her to be such a b***h all the time.
I really thought they were gonna have Chani kill the Baron. Somehow it turned out even worse.
If it was literally anyone besides Paul it would have been better.
Yep. It would've been clunky, but the basic metaphor of the distraction of a large pressing force in Paul and the slow blade that was actually killing in Alia could've been transfered to someone. Instead, it's just the pressing force.
They could have had Jessica do it with Alia mind-controlling her from the womb. Why didn’t they think of that?
>foreshadowing possession
That's way too good of an idea, that's why
I have been saying that for a while. The Baron's death scene could have been done by replacing Aila with Jessica.
>Have the sardukar capture Jessica
>She is brought in front of the emperor, but talks down to him
>Reverend Mother is disgusted by the abomination in Jessica's womb, and wants her dead
>Jessica warns them that "her son is coming", before the nuke goes off
>In the chaos, Jessica Gom Jabbars the Baron, while calling him father
>And the Jessica slips out during the chaos
Aila being in her stomach would have given the Reverend Mother a reason to be mad/horrified at Jessica, and her using the Gom on the Baron, would have been right, because it is a BG weapon. And since Aila is conscious in the womb, then by proxy she is there for Baron's death. Maybe the poisoned and dying Baron, hallucinates the teenage Alia standing there in front of him, instead of Jessica?
>dying Baron hallucinates seeing a teenage Alia
>teenage Alia hallucinates seeing the Baron
pottery
>Changing Alia to a fetus is what ruined the ending. It just seems boring and cliche without a 2 year old girl being the one to assassinate the baron.
Agreed. the movie failed to highlight the power of spice in its most concentrated form. Like who gives a shit if the fetus is talking. Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
>It was awful, in the book she’s so likable
Yeah, how am I supposed to sympathize with her when Paul has to become a messiah and marry the princess when she acts like a spoiled fricking brat all over the place. she couldn't even stand there and take it like a woman. the bene gesserits are some of the most powerful women in their universe, literally controlling nations and weaving the fate of planets.
then you have chani who can't even see how much power she actually has and runs off.
Dune is one of those books where you're like holy shit women are really fricking powerful, and in the midst of female empowerment they turn chani into a weak c**t
For whatever reason Hollywood can’t seem to translate that kind of subtle, mystical superhuman ability from a serious novel very well anymore. If it’s not video game/comic book pew pew they don’t know how to convey it. Even Jackson’s LOTR didn’t do a very good job at showing what the ring actually does
Someone was probably worried modern audiences wouldn't be able to handle it if the female lead meekly settled for becoming a concubine while the hero marries a princess.
>Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
The best part of Dunc 2 was baby Ayylia making pro-choice roasties cope and Seth.
>Like who gives a shit if the fetus is talking. Most Gen Z think fetuses aren't human and need to be aborted.
They're Harkonnen without knowing it
>Giedi Creampie
Hi Drinker.
Critical Drinker actually liked all the changes
Paul making the emperor get down and kiss his fathers ring was the best part of the movie for me
Disagree because the emperor's lips didn't even touch the ring.
The real kino moment of the duel is
a) paul trying to escape prescience and failing
b) paul shitting bricks because there's a guy in the room he never saw in his vision
c) that guy, who should at this point be hyped as the strongest person in the imperium, who could have killed paul, ordered to duel him and he declines, telling the emperor he won't follow his orders
>paul shitting bricks because there's a guy in the room he never saw in his vision
>that guy, who should... ordered to duel him and he declines, telling the emperor he won't follow his orders
i'm confused
Read the books.
I already have, I just thought you were talking about stuff in the film even though none of it was present.
>instead it's replaced with Zandaya acting above her station in every scene and being focused on, down to riding multiple worms.
BRAVA VILLENEUVE!
of course you are, dennis the hack skips all of that.
it's about count fenring, it's from the book
>>Paul has been trying to find a different path to winning, without Jihad happening, but all his paths lead to it.
>>Feyd only wins the fight with the Atreides gladiator, by saying a special word that makes the guys muscles relax.
>>Feyd doesn't know that he himself is programmed with that word, and that Paul knows it
>>Paul however refuses to go down the path of making Feyd lose strength/concentration with a special phrase, so that he can land a killing blow
>>When pressured to say it, Paul yells out that he won't say it, and that makes Feyd hesitate for the moment it takes for Paul to land a killing blow
>>Paul tried to take a different route and yet he made the exact same thing happen as was predicted
KINOOOOO
All according to spicekaku
*translator's note: spikekaku means the Golden Path
>One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it
They shouldve kept that. He feels like such a non-threat in the movie that having him be extra scumbag and dirty in his fight would give the movie drama.
You missed the point. The battle is meaningless. Paul is revealed to be of Harkonnen blood, so regardless of who wins the duel, a Harkonnen takes the throne. It's also established that Feyd is a sadomasochist and it's heavily implied during the colosseum fight on Geidi Prime that he's been waiting for someone who can best him in battle. Having him cheat would have undercut a lot of what Villeneuve was building to.
It would've made it less dull
It wasn't dull for me, but then I don't have crippling ADHD
Me neither. But man oh man talk about taking every excuse to not be compelling.
Pearls before swine.
honkshoe
what the frick, so it's just a normal knife fight between two dudes in the movie or what?
yes, feyd stabs paul twice, once in the lower ribs and once in the shoulder, before paul kills him by stabbing him in the heart
I'm sure that's a competently shot action sequence but it sounds really lame in the context of Dune. Why choose to adapt such a weird series just to sanitize it and dumb it down for the sake of mass appeal?
Yeah its honestly the only genuinely weak point of the movie imo.
Removing the whole nuance of the book fight makes sense since it is a 3 hour movie at the end of the day, but even then having Paul just kill him instantly without breaking a sweat wouldve been so much better.
Subverting the expectations of the great finale fight the movie built up to + showing how powerful post water of life Paul is.
>the only genuinely weak point of the movie imo.
except the director and the cast
IIRC. Only count fenring could've killed.
He literally has a massive struggle where he thinks he's gonna die if he doesn't use the secret Bene Gesserit word to freeze Feyd, but ultimately decides death is preferable. It's very close
>Why did Goku struggle against Frieza? Wasn't he already a supersaiyan?
>And this form, is to go even further beyond Kwisatz Sayian
What the frick was his problem
Humanity
>that pic
What's he thinking about?
>i made a big mistake while looking passionately at Hwi
Feyd-Rautha is a fellow gigahomie, altough not souped up on magic.
Feyd-Rotha had what is called the power of screenplay. This power is needed to keep the viewer invested. Otherwise, it would have been a bore.
P.S: Movie is overrated, enjoyable but overrated.
I was miffed that the ending was so rushed and then I read the book and the battle is over in a page turn
That’s the thing we aren’t allowed basic stories like this anymore. Maybe if iger gets booted Star Wars will reply.
screenplay already fricked that when he almost jobbed to a malnourished prisoner
This shit sounds moronic. Glad I stayed away from these gay ass movies.
You really think Willy Wonka wont stuggle when fighting the King?
DUNC feyd is somewhat prescient as well
Feyd Rautha was supposed to be the father of the Kwisatz Haderach so his genes are basically 99% there and he was an excellent fighter trained in Giedi Prime's fighting pits. The movie also makes him prescient like Paul
Why didn't they just let Lea Seydoux have a boy that would one day stand against Paul?
God emperor won't allow it.
Yes but the bald guy really just was that good mate.
My guess was that he was exhausted from fighting in battle
Could Feyd have survived the Water of Life and become a Kwisatz Haderach since he was suppose to be the father on the hypothetical one if Lady Jessica didn't frick over the Bene Gesserit?
The Kwisatz Haderach is a male. The kid Feyd fostered with Lady Fenring was a girl and this was done to secure the Harkonnen bloodline. The Bene Jesserit as eugenics hold royal blood as very valuable and knew that this war would wipe out both or all of the Atriedis and Harkonnens so this was their insurance policy. Lady Fenring even says that is a girl shes pregant with.
They cut this from the movie, but in the book Lady Fenring is married to Count Fenring who is the right hand man to the Emperor and known as the biggest badass swordsman around and its later revealed that he was a failed attempt at creating the Kwisatz Haderach
Is this Mortal Kombat?
>checked
It is now.
KINO!!!!!
I hate digital so fricking much, bros.
Expect a kameo in game since WB have both
>wow good thing that lady had sex with Feyd and got pregnant
>actually it barely comes up in the next book
Axe duncan and make his child Alia's boyfriend
Dont worry. Denis is gonna make sure the second movie has even more chick characters, so she will probably be big
>millions of years in the future
>humanity is still using melee weapons like during caveman times
who actually watches this shit?
Brown Cinemaphileidwits from twitter
they use knives because they developed full body shields but then found out laser weapons make the shields into nuclear bombs so everyone is scared to use them now
You'd think they'd just stop using shields or do suicide nuke bombings by shooting a volunteer wearing a shield. Herbert went overboard on the logic side of things for the aesthetic
They do kind of do that in the books. Duncan set up a dummy with a shield on it so a Harkonnen warship fires a lasergun on it which causes it to basically nuke itself.
They also try to get around the shield with ballistic weapons in some cases, but they are all so used to swords that they just use those now for the most part.
Ballistic weapons don’t pierce shields, dingus. Bullets move too fast.
The issue is that it is essentially a nuclear explosion in a universe where use of nuclear weapons is forbidden and Houses that violate the Great Convention get nuked in turn by everyone. So it isn't a safe tactic to use deliberately since an accusation of using a nuke is a death sentence.
They don't use shields during 1v1 duels
paul even removes his clothing in the book iirc as is the proper fremen custom
Only some still do randomly use lasers in the movie, like when the they lead Evil Drax into a trap. Or do the Fremen not have those shields? If not, how are the fights not completely one-sided, with the Harkonnens just mowing them down with missiles and lasers?
I really should have been a filmmaker. This whole generation of young people was raised on nothing but bottom of the barrel MCU slop. All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting and they shit their pants like they're viewing the Mona Lisa for the first time. If you put any modicum of effort into your movie, their little minds are blown.
We really are in a dark ages of media. Everything is such complete slop.
This is objectively true, and the one thing that's giving me hope is that everything is so shitty that we're really due for a new cinematic renaissance. Surely there are hungry young auteurs out there that hate movies as much as Cinemaphile does and are looking to cut their teeth making something better.
You’re kidding right? Dune is just bother IP remake/redo/reimagined. That’s everything new. Wow, Godzilla-King Kong movie coming out. Kung Fu Panda 4, Despicable Me 4, Deadpool 3. Beetlejuice 2z What big original movie is coming out?
>You’re kidding right? Dune is just bother IP remake/redo/reimagined
Why would I be kidding? Nothing I said in any way contradicts this observation. I'm not saying Dune is the movie that's going to start this hypothetical revolution. It hasn't happened yet.
You should’ve said Oppenheimer. Why? Because wasn’t a big IP and has success. We need more of those movies doing well
>Surely there are hungry young auteurs out there that hate movies as much as Cinemaphile does and are looking to cut their teeth making something better.
Don't worry anon, it has begun. A manager and producer finally got back to me yesterday saying they loved my script, and I've got plenty more where that kino came from.
What's stopping you?
Too old now. Already attempted and failed at my whole "I'm going to be famous one day" arc but in a different medium. Don't have the energy to try again. And also I'm not israeli
>What's stopping you?
The fact that film making is a billion dollar mega corporate industry if you want to make epic films like this.
Even if you wanted to make a small indie movie you still need like $5 Million at the least.
Give it time, and invest in a good graphics card.
He's not CIA like Denis is.
The scene where Paul namedrops Dune was still kino.
I really should have been a filmmaker. This whole generation of young people was raised on nothing but bottom of the barrel MCU slop. All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting and they shit their pants like they're viewing the Mona Lisa for the first time. If you put any modicum of effort into your movie, their little minds are blown.
Frick off. Cast choices like Zendaya is shit. But the movie itself isn’t mediocre. Better any anything Lucas shit out with his awful prequels. Won’t even mention Nu Wars. I have nostalgia for Lynch Dune because I grew up on it’s bad. Sci Fi series is decent for its budget
>But the movie itself isn’t mediocre
It's also not revolutionary. It's just a nice looking movie. I have nothing bad to say about Villeneuve, but had this movie come out 20 years ago, it wouldn't look nearly as good as it does in comparison. Something like this comes out once every few years and people lose their minds because filmmakers who actually give a damn about the craft are depressingly uncommon.
Avatar was supposedly groundbreaking. Most forgettable movie I’ve ever seen
It was one of the "viral" movies like the first Star Wars where word of mouth about how amazing it looked sold so many tickets
Key word there is supposedly. Avatar is a big stupid piece of shit. If anything, it helped to herald in the age of shooting things in a big green box and filling it in later. I guess you could argue that Cameron was utilizing techniques that were novel at the time, but frick that movie. I hate it.
With avatar they spent the money to actually film everything in 3D instead of just pasting cgi on top of 2D camera footage. Avatar was a filming technique demo more than an actual movie, it was supposed to launch a new era of 3D filming but the studios thought they could just do everything with CGI and didn’t need to invest in a new method of shooting. Movies like dune could have been filmed the way avatar was and they would look much better
it was the first thing you thought of.
>It's just a nice looking movie
During the movie I was thinking so many shots were ugly. Too many misolaced closeups
I'm 1000% sure they changed up Chani's character from the books to be insufferable, and I haven't even read the books.
But most people think Zendaya is more hot than Pugh. What's the plan here?
Pugh is a pig, Zendaya is skinny. Princess Irulan should've been pretty as frick; not little Ms Piggy in metal hospital gowns
They even had Anya on set and didn't think she'd be better for the part
you're 100% right. She's just Zendaya playing Zendaya
t. book reader
>Better any anything Lucas shit out with his awful prequels.
I'd say Lucas is superior for the fact that he knows how to cut a movie. Villeneuve's films are both too slow and too quick, with some horrendous scene transitions.
I can't find hd rips yet. Is it still just cams?
If you know the actors you can watch it at their house
AAAAAAA MINIMALISM IN MY DUNE? I'M SHORT-CIRCUITING
>All you have to do to win them over is shoot a movie outside of a soundstage with natural lighting
I don't like how much this applies to me
>The Spice makes those who control it wealthy beyond the dreams of Croesus himself
>And their environments look like a Soviet era community swimming pool circa 1974
Lynch created a rich and detailed set of environments then focused on the characters within them.
Villeneuve creates sterile and brutal environments and populated them with stereotypes that he clearly doesn’t care about.
Total horseshit. Lynch blazes through the material at such breakneck speed that a number of the characters (Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Stilgar) are basically indistinguishable from each other unless you've read the book. The characters in Lynch's dune are nothing more than archetypes - Paul is the hero, Baron is the bad guy, etc. whereas Villeneuve actually expands on them and turns them into real characters. In Villeneuve's Dune you actually understand why the Baron is the way he is, he's the inevitable byproduct of a back-stabbing society that emphasizes power above all else. In Lynch's Dune he's just evil. Paul is conflicted and has some ambiguity to him in Villeneuve's Dune. Villeneuve takes the time to show the critical ways in which he is fundamentally unlike his father, whereas in Lynch's Dune he's just a generic hero with no defining characteristics of any kind and is essentially a carbon copy of his dead dad.
As for the visuals, Lynch's don't have any commonality to them, they're just a hodgepodge of unrelated looking shit, so they don't look like real environments of a complete universe. There isn't really even a strong enough distinction between the way the planets look. Arrakis is supposed to be harsh and inhospitable, yet beautiful. Lynch's Arrakis just looks like a desert.
>whereas Villeneuve actually expands on them and turns them into real characters.
And yet he takes the very well written book characters, and strips them down to one or two personality traits.
>Arrakis is supposed to be harsh and inhospitable, yet beautiful.
In which case Villeneuve has also failed to show that.
>Lynch blazes through the material at such breakneck speed that a number of the characters (Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Stilgar) are basically indistinguishable from each other unless you've read the book.
Lynch was forced to cut his 5 hour movie down because the directors thought people weren't going to watch it
The movie is 5 hours long.
5 fricking hours
And you watched none of it. Go frick yourself, it was great aside from those voice weapons.
Ye but consider how differently vast wealth is expressed by the 1% today compared to their pre-industrial predecessors. Now extrapolate from that ten thousand years into the future. Dune nobility control the economic output of entire solar systems; richly dyed robes or even a giant throne made of pure gold and diamond isn't going to impress anyone. That sort of mineral wealth is lying around in every space rock.
I especially like what Villeneuve's done with the architecture in this regard. The palaces we see on Caladan and Arrakis are all built out of locally quarried stone or into the rock itself, left unpainted and unornamennted except in private living spaces, often mirroring natural geological forms. It emphasises the real wealth and powerbase of the great houses, which is their mastery of their planetary fiefs themselves. That's what they would want their subjects to percieve. That their families are as much an immutable part of their worlds as the mountains themselves. It makes perfect sense.
>It's boring on purpose
>it's boring because it doesn't have rgb lighting everywhere
>If you find it boring it's because you want this other completely outlandish shit nobody mentioned
Villememe can't make movies
>Villeneuve creates sterile and brutal environments and populated them with stereotypes that he clearly doesn’t care about.
no shit! this is only news to turboplebzoomers
Good level in Mortal Kombat
Bluray comes out on may 14th, a euro store could frick up like when oppenheimer got released.
web-dl should be on the first week of may.
I am ready.
I watched it on cam.
I didnt like the switchero Dennie did with how the Fremen reacted to Paul being their messiah. The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him. It highlights in politics the revolutionary spirit of young people vs the measured patient and calmer minds of the older generation.
I think this was meant to appeal to the younger viewer audience in a sort of virtue signaling thing. Saying that these old boomers are sooo stupid and gullible, but not like us 22 yo who know everything.
Theres a lot in the movie that was changed that sort of breaks the story.
It's so the moron audience knows what Paul is doing is a bad thing but I think they still didn't get it
They don't. Much like how morons in 1963 didn't get it.
what else is paul supposed to fricking do? walk into the desert and die?
Yes. Or just go be a richgay somewhere else. Arrakis isn't worth fighting for
But the spice, sir, please understand.
he does that anyway
Why did Jon Favreau visit some random girl?
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>The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him.
Completely agree! Makes more sense with the whole culture is shaped by your environment-theme...where the hell did chani learn about bg manipulation
>The story is much better and makes more sense when the younger Fremen are fanatical supporters of Paul as their Messiah while Stilgar and the older ones are warry of him.
We can't have young people respecting the experience of their elders in current year, now can we?
Why was Chani so pissy the entire movie? It's one thing to be the dissenting voice occasionally but literally nothing Paul did say right with her. Even when he clearly shows he can see past and future she's still pissy. And the worst part is she supposedly wants Arrakis to be free but is then buttmad that millions of Fremen are about to rise up and liberate Arrakis on belief that Paul is the Messiah. He's literally getting everyone to do the thing you want to do so why are you scowling the entire movie.
Denis said he wanted her to be the one seeing the truth behind Pauls actions and her character being a hint of whats to come.
Garenteed to be trash
Was hoping the movie would end with the worm swallowing her like an M&M.
forget AquaDuncan
bring back Feyd as a Ghola
he was the best part of DUNC 2
I fricking knew you homosexuals were the same morons that hyped Marvelslop in its heyday. Get some taste or have a nice day.
if you think both are the same you're gay
>i-it's not capeshit
LMAO
yep, gay
How many times did you pay to watch Endgame in theatres?
once
one too many kek
do you even watch movies or do you just b***h about them?
It's literally the same manchildren just fooled into thinking they "outgrew" capeshit after Marvel became uncool.
forgot image
>doesn't have an accent like the rest of the Fremen
>acts like a whiny city brat the entire film
>almost every scene is her being angry
>movie ends with her getting mad and riding a sandworm, not paul
Can someone make this make sense?
Also thank g*d they killed off the majority of the POC diversity hire actors that were in the first film. Part 2 was 1000x better without the diversity hires.
lea seydoux should've been cast as the princess, what a huge waste of a character. why did the emperor have a new jersey accent?
Oooh. The way you're talking to Irulan, it's all wrong, it's the wrong tone.
zendaya ruined the movie for me. She pulls this stink face in every scene. Paul is saving your people you rotten c**t be happy. The director as 0 fraith in the audience.
>Also thank g*d they killed off the majority of the POC diversity hire actors that were in the first film.
uh, I m not the only one who noticed. all those magical africans disappeared with a poof.
They got everyone hooked on the first film, then swapped out ALL the POC for White people: Austin Butler, Lea Seydoux, Florence Pig, Anya Taylor Joy, Christopher Walken
She was by far the worst part of the entire series, both her character and Muttdaya herself
>doesn't have an accent like the rest of the Fremen
I had this exact complaint too. Her dad is Liet-Keynes, who has an "imperial accent", but she was raised on Arrakis with the Fremen from her birth, and didn't know him, right? She should either speak with a very heavy Fremen accent like Stilgar (who I couldn't understand a word of because he did an overexaggerated accent which sounded like dogshit) or no English at all. I think Muttdaya was just lazy and didn't wanna do an accent because it's too heckin hard, and nobody had to balls to tell her anything because if she drops out of the move, zoomoids won't wanna watch
>acts like a whiny city brat the entire film
>almost every scene is her being angry
>movie ends with her getting mad and riding a sandworm, not paul
Yeah this was also fricking awful. Why in the frick does she think she has the right to complain when Paul takes the princess as his wife?? That's the fricking Princess of the known universe, and you're a literal dunecoon mutt. b***h, you're lucky he's even banging you in the first place. And it's clear he likes you, so when he becomes Emperor, you're obviously gonna be the Head Concubine, you dumb b***h. All you gotta do is play nice, have a smile on your face when you greet him, and work the Imperial dick hen he requests, and your entire life is on easy street. Do you know how many women in this universe would do anything to be in your position?
I really don't get why zoomcels like this b***h so much. She's a dogshit actress and she's an ugly mutt. What's wrong with those fricking idiots?
Anyone got a webm of the femdom woman that seduces him
Watched it twice in cinema. Based Denis deserves it. TLD.
How much Lady Jessica incest coomer bait is in this one?
So what the frick is Dune Part 3 going to be about? They really think they can cover the second book in 1 movie, after rushing the Part 2 of the first book?
The second book could be covered in like a single tv episode. It's just people talking until the very end.
Then it's an opportunity to expand on Tleilaxu and Spacing Guild. Besides, Denis knows how to waste time
They'll do a weird cheap spinoff movie cashgrab that everyone will hate and never touch Dune again
They're already floating the "le book accurate alternate timeline" horseshit. There's a thread up now. It's not going to be Messiah as anyone knows it.
What are you talking about?
They really shouldn’t even make a sequel, the first dune book is the only one with a plot that can actually translate into a movie
The second Dune book is basically
>A face changer gathers a guild navigator, Bene Gesserit reverand mother and irulan together as a group of conspirators against the bloody dictator Paul
>They have a resurrected mentat Duncan Idaho, who they want to gift to Paul, hoping that he will let his guard down around an old friend
>Chani can't give birth because Irulan is making her infertile with drugs, but eventually she gives birth when she figures out the ploy
>Chani dies in childbirth, and Irulan changes her mind and wants to raise the twins
>There is a nuke attack and Paul goes blind.Despite Fremen custom saying that Paul should walk into the desert to die, Paul stays in command and used his powers to see.
>Duncan get his memories back.
>The face changer wants to murder Paul's kids, but Paul sees through his son's eyes, and kills the guy with a knife throw
>In the end, Paul willingly walks into the desert, and while Fremen were losing faith in him before, that act makes them turbo worship him again
That's about all that I remember from way back when.
You summed it up well enough. That nuke also introduces the reader to the faction that eventually kidnaps Leto.
This 100% should not be made into a movie and probably won't be in Part 3.
Part 3+4 are actually unfilmable. They left out the weird parts from 1 but there is nothing left if you do that after the first book.
It's actually easier to adapt that book, compared to the first one. First one has so much stuff in it, that 60% of the meat of the story has to be cut out. Messiah comes in about 200+ pages, and is mostly dialogue driven story, with maybe 2 action scenes. They already adapted it for TV, and it worked pretty well.
What I was trying to say is that the plot in general would not rub well on modern audiences. The TV show was made 24 years ago; with all the politically correctness, they'd have to change the entire thing to keep Chani alive and give Paul a powerful daughter or something.
the second dune book is a fricking nosedive in quality and I hope denis avoids it like the fricking plague. Herbert was seething when he wrote it and it shows.
Dune Messiah was the ending to the first book but the publisher said it was too many pages for a paper back release
You’re a fricking moron it’s the best one.
Don’t forget
>Tleiaxu send a dwarf for tempt Paul with resurrected Chani as a ghola and Paul orders Duncan to beat the midge’s brains in
you left out the spice orgy you homosexual.
Maybe showing more of the war
there's nothing for common people to be hype about, paul won, and everything that comes after is political fanaticism
I finally got around to watching DUNC 1 and I have to say, I am intensely attracted to Lady Jessica.
So that's it. They introduce the Sardaukar as this elite force that obliterates everyone and lives for battle; then the Fremen and Paul obliterate them in seconds?
At least in David Lynch's film, you didn't even know the Sardaukar were lethal.
It's in following with the theme of hubristic leaders who think they're in control of everything, believing the prisoner mercs they have can't be beat by anyone. You're not necessarily supposed to believe they're unstoppable, just that everyone else you're reading about does. I do not know how this goes in the movie and won't be finding out.
>theme of hubristic leaders who think they're in control of everything
Okay, they did not convey this in the movie AT ALL. They introduced the Sardaukar as this insane elite force visually, instead of politically. So when part 2 came around, Sardaukar were completely forgotten about. The name wasn't even mentioned until the end when the rushed battle took place and Paul said, "kill the Sardaukar"
>At least in David Lynch's film, you didn't even know the Sardaukar were lethal.
bruh just break the helmet glass lol
In the book the fremen beat the sardukar badly, even before Paul taught them the Weirding way they had like a 3/1 kill ratio against them.
Ther were even throwing babies at them. Motherfrickers, that's not fair at all.
Those were just the women and children in a half empty siech.
I'm talking about actual fremen warriors completely mogging the sardukar even before Paul's training
What are some moments you acted like Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen?
I'm just going to say it: This and hearing them say FEYD-RAUTHA
NA BARON FEYD RAUTHA
was the best part of the movie
I almost coomed in the theatre when Lady Fenring commanded him like a puppy. They should have included a part where she ordered him to cum.
Those guys in the background were so fricking kino, specially their walks, creepy as frick. I very much would like to see more Bene Tleilax's creations.
Gurney asks Paul "Let me deal with this animal m'lord." I know he's a master warrior in his own right and he trained Paul in the first place, but could he actually have beaten Feyd Rautha?
He and Duncan managed to train almost Sardukar level soldiers. I'm sure that he would have at least joined Feyd in death.
Apart from Duncan, I think he is one of the best fighters around. Used to be a slave pit fighter too.
I haven't read the books, so I thought a captured Gurney would fight Feyd in the arena and that those gimp-aliens would pounce when Gurney was about to finish Feyd off, only to have Feyd refuse to win that way and instead have Gurney dragged back to his cell. A subplot of Gurney breaking out and getting to Arakkis would have been kino.
They're trained by Gurney Allen and Duncan Idaho
NA BARON FEYD RAUTHA
FEYD RAUTHA
FEYD RAUTHA
Oh to be kissed by Austin Butler.
You call that soul? That's not soul, THIS is soul.
SOVL
Soap opera dialogue for this kino. A shame IMO, for I really wanted to like the movie.
Did you guys prefer seeing it in IMAX or Dolby?
I think I liked the latter more due to the enhanced audio and my theater having better seats in that theater over the IMAX one (I also saw The Matrix in Dolby tonight and it was incredible).
Ngl bros, the Giedi Prime scenes are growing on me by the second.
The interior sets were like if HR Giger did the Emerald City from The Wizard of Oz. I loved it.
Same, probably my favorite part of the movie and I wish we got more of it.
Every Harkonnen scene without Batista (besides the one where he kisses the boot) is kino.
>harkonnens are supposed to be a disgusting pedophile debauch peoples you would never side with
>villanueve made them look cool
why
>preteens are going to have posters of nu-feyd in there room and not the based lynchian Baron with a handful of dicky in his arms
how fricking grim
He's less disgusting and brutish which is why he's the heir apparent.
>Lewis Latimer High School presents!
>‘Paul and the Amazing Atreides CHOAM Contract’
>A musical based upon Frank Herbert’s Dune
EMPTY AND SOULESS
EMPTY AND SOULLESS
EMPTYY AND SOULESS FRENCH HACK b***h
dont worry the moovie bombed and you wont get a part 3 hahahahhahahhah
>dont worry the moovie bombed and you wont get a part 3 hahahahhahahhah
It's already crossed 500mil seething gay
How does living in the desert make you gods of knife combat?
Herbert believed in the concept that if you're brought up in harsh conditions you'll end up tougher.
Living on an inhospitable hellworld made the fremen into insane ultra-pragmatists who will do anything to win or survive. Women and the elderly will swarm enemies and fall on their blades just so someone has a chance to stick a knife in him, mothers will throw their own infants as a distraction.
Is it not because of their exposure to spice?
Lynch fight with Bowie was better
Soulless slop for the mentally moronic
Villaneuve is like his own shitty knockoff Roger Deakins now
Why didn't he just get him if he's trying to emulate him so fricking hard? It makes no sense
>actually the other guy got stabbed 🙂
Nah, it was shit.
So why Dunc made Feyd a chud? He was supposed to be super charismatic and beautiful man and as the baron planned, he was supposed to be the great savior from Rabban tyranny.
Wait until you find out that book Rabban was actually a pretty smart guy, but Thufir and the Baron fricked him over, so that Feyd could liberate Arrakis from his supposed tyranny.
What was that pet-thing the baron had in the first movie?
Some Bene Tleilax invention.
Dr Yu's wife transformed into an abomination
Pure sovl
Now that I think about it, are mentats even mentioned in the movie other than in passing? I thought they were more important than that.
who cares? they were a stupid idea when Frank came up with them. they add nothing to the story beyond another layer of non-visual power fantasy.
>super calculators that Paul also needs to be able to be to make sense of the prescience add nothing
KINO
the sound of worm moving was so kino i almost cum
>minimize paul's efforts by making Zendaya casually call a worm and ride it while on her period
Dune related question: how does stilgar make those weird watery whistling birdcalls? Not the squidgy farty ones but the one right near the start and before they hit the spice depot? I've been trying for days but haven't succeeded.
He makes them in post production.
wish we had more feyd shenanigans. he was so hyped up only to immediately job. I don't get this film it feels long as frick while feeling rushed as shit.
Denis will resurect Feyd as a ghola. TRUST
Shame cast suck ass.
films sucks donkey ass. it could and should have hyped up Count Fenring and in the film climax he effectively declines to kill paul. Instead he doesn't even exist.
FRICK YOU DENNIS
Opinions on the musical score?
slop
Grim....
What reason do I have to watch this butchered slop then?
curiosity
he mostly just rehashes part 1 soundtrack.
Are the Harkonnens mustache twirling Bond villains in the books too? Feyd-Fautha and Rabban murdering several of their own men was a bit ridiculous.
They're even moreso in the books. The Baron rapes and murders little boys.
Kinda but not as blatant, the baron schemes all the time and no matter how you phrase it anybody looking to take over a world no matter what is always gonna be mustache twirling.
The first time the book visits the Baron, he's in a dark room spinning a golden globe of arrakis in the palm of his hand while enshrouded in shadow talking to piter and Rabban. They talk about their scheme to kill Leto atreides and Piter is giggling like an evil gremlin and the Baron tells him to shut up, but also thinks about how he controls piter's every whim through his addiction to spice and inflicting pain on others. The Baron laments that he has to kill Paul because he thinks it's a waste for such a pretty boy. At the end of the chapter he comes out of the shadow and he is described as immensely fat and covered in leprosy, and he asks someone behind he door to bring in a little boy for him as a treat.
The Harkonnens are literally gay pedophiles in the book, if anything Villyneu whitewashed them in the movies
> Book Chani is raised in a polygamous culture so while Paul doing a political marriage is painful, she can get past it
> Villenullo Chani scowls and storms off
trash
>implying they were going to allow men to have a polygamy in a 2024 modern movie
You had to think the Fremen were these saintly and oppressed peoples. Only the Harkonnen (pure white) men were bad and evil. Only the Harkonnen have polygamy. White men bad.
Yeah, we can't have Fremen jihadis coming home with tons of looted wealth and concubine sex slaves as we see in Dune Messiah
yeah that was totally unexpected with the im secret-stabbing you while we fight for that single visible knife
never been done before
I was so confused, like what's the point of him being stabbed. Feyd Rautha should've lost because he was wienery and a dirty fighter. Not because Paul withstood TWO stab wounds.
i may be wrong but i thought the movie was showing that paul used the first knife, that was stabbed into him, to kill feyd
He did use the first knife, but by deflecting the second knife into his shoulder with 1 hand, and stabbing with the first knife in the other.
>not a single mention of kanly, ever
>fast strikes, no shields
>no poison, making Feyd Rautha a more sympathetic figure
Somehow not even as good as the lynch finale, which should've been a very low bar.
>>no poison, making Feyd Rautha a more sympathetic figure
They could have actually expanded on that, showing the harkonen plan to arrakis was putting a much more honorable good competent guy leading it vs rabban. Instead its like this middle of the road thing where he is a super shitty person but then he's not really scheming during the final fight. It's very bizarre
We've reached such a low point in art and cinema that a simple contra-jour shot is considered super original.
An anon said it yesterday. All it took was to get off a sound stage and motherfricker's heads exploded.
True.
Sad and pathetic
Modern kino doesn’t exi-
>it's just a shitty silhouette against muh orange
-st
>literally ripping of Miyazaki
I don't remember Deckard and Tyrell getting into a sword fight
The bloodline is secured btw
GOD. DAMMITTTTTT
he's literally me
gosh i wish i was her baby
>still MONTHS away from a HD rip
I don't want to leave my NEETcave to rewatch it, brehs
> dunc sandworms are ridden with 3/4 of their body still underground and they go at 100 mph judging by the wind
garbage
>Pure soul.
somewhere a child cries. i feel nothing