Why is Dreamworks suddenly getting better? What could possibly account for this sequel being so much better than the original? It just defies logic and reason
Short version is that DreamWorks remembered to give a shit about its image, wanted to make kino again, and did it.
DreamWorks has always been pretty good and had made some fantastic movies, but they slumped for a while after being bought out by Universal. Then talent shifted inside the studio, Spiderverse came out, and the pandemic happened. DreamWorks took the opportunity to begin reinventing itself. The Bad Guys was the proof-of-concept, and The Last Wish was a demonstration with one of their flagship franchises. Both of these movies were developed during the pandemic, so they became passion projects for the people working on them, "the light at the end of the tunnel" as it were. In fact, both films thank frontline workers and everyone who kept working through the pandemic (none of the Disney films released this year did that, I checked).
Dreamworks was always good. They fuck up now and then but when they bring their A game, people always remember the obvious effort on the screen. Let's not forget the reason that HTTYD got two sequels and two television shows--because the original movie brought 200% along on the ride. Same for Kung Fu Panda. Megamind is still remembered to this day for being a movie more for adults than children. Nevermind the accolades that Prince of Egypt still gets for how uncensored and raw it was in the depiction of such sensitive material. And so on and so forth. For every Bee Movie that Dreamworks makes, they have roughly five fucking great movies to compensate for it. Been in a bit of a slump lately for the reasons that
Short version is that DreamWorks remembered to give a shit about its image, wanted to make kino again, and did it.
DreamWorks has always been pretty good and had made some fantastic movies, but they slumped for a while after being bought out by Universal. Then talent shifted inside the studio, Spiderverse came out, and the pandemic happened. DreamWorks took the opportunity to begin reinventing itself. The Bad Guys was the proof-of-concept, and The Last Wish was a demonstration with one of their flagship franchises. Both of these movies were developed during the pandemic, so they became passion projects for the people working on them, "the light at the end of the tunnel" as it were. In fact, both films thank frontline workers and everyone who kept working through the pandemic (none of the Disney films released this year did that, I checked).
mentioned, but their home runs still far outweigh their absolute fuck ups.
teal deer: Dreamworks was always good. They just fuck up now and then. But I'd go the far step and say that I would take even Dreamworks at its worst over Disney at its worst, because Disney at its worst is just outright bland. Dreamworks at its worst is at least wild and nutty to watch. Pretty glad to see TLW getting them some positive attention for once.
Imagine you heart beting as fast as it can at the same your breaths are so fast that your body can´t feel the air entering your lungs.
At the same time you feel like you are gonna die at any moment.
and the worst part is this is just an illusion, like you are breathing fine, your heart isn't going too fast it just feels weird because heart palpitations are like your whole body beating but at the same time feeling wrong like it's also not beating. You might be confused whether your heart is actually faster than normal or not beating at all. And that feeling like you're going to die isn't just because you think it's a heart attack, it's your brain literally screaming at you that you're going to die.
But despite that everything is actually fine. It's your body's alarm systems all being turned to max volume and then getting stuck there.
I got a job that was less stressful. I didn't start having them until that job. But I did manage to deal with them by just thinking of them differently. Once I'd had a few I recognized them, and I somehow just got into the mentality of "listen hear you little shit..." when I started feeling the symptoms. If my body wanted heart palpitations I'd be mentally in a smoking chair angrily waiting for it to get over itself. I just started viewing them as something apart from myself I was annoyed with. I wouldn't have intrusive thoughts or fears that make the symptoms worse, I'd just be waiting it out.
Sometimes you could tell it would just last a few hours, but you're in bed trying to sleep. So you just accept that you're not getting sleep for a few hours and find something to kill time with.
Also drink less caffeine, or stop drinking any after noon. But to get them to stop you need to stop having whatever is stressing you out around.
Less caffeine, don´t over eat food. Go to gym, have healthy sleep hours, less alcohol. Not to think while begin to sleep. Have time for myself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah those can all help because the opposite of those are all things that can cause or worsen stress and anxiety, but despite having all of that having shit in your life like awful family you can't escape or a nightmare job can build up enough stress to give you a panic attack anyway.
People need to know what to look to to avoid or reduce them, but in the end it's the bigger things causing the routine stress that are to blame. And people need to know they're not above having them.
I get these panic attacks sometimes that feel like a heart attack. Just stabbing pain on the left side of my chest while my heart is thundering
Pretty much I just power through them or do breathing exercises. Having someone around helps but I also think that's somewhat embarrassing and would prefer to just suffer in silence alone where no one can see me
Try to move somewhere where you can be comfortable if you can. Like your bedroom or favorite chair or something. You can't really stop them when they start but you can manage the symptoms better and avoid a spiral. Having a pet helps, as you can hold them and avoid embassment like
I get these panic attacks sometimes that feel like a heart attack. Just stabbing pain on the left side of my chest while my heart is thundering
Pretty much I just power through them or do breathing exercises. Having someone around helps but I also think that's somewhat embarrassing and would prefer to just suffer in silence alone where no one can see me
is afraid of. You want to try to keep your mind somewhat busy as to avoid a negative spiral into your own thoughts. Grounding exercises (breathing and just focusing on your senses and thinking about what you're touching or hearing) can help too. However if you have friends maybe play a game with them or something, me and my closest friend will play on my old gamecube to just keep our minds busy if one of us have a panic attack.
I was grateful that it was short, because it wasn't very interesting. I've had many panic attacks in my life, still don't care. Those of you who were crying were indeed little bitches.
>I've had many panic attacks in my life
And you're calling other people bitches? Lack of empathy just makes you a sociopath which I guess is trending with zoomers because they saw it in a movie
>Lack of empathy just makes you a sociopath
Good. There's no reason to care for random strangers online if they don't interest you personally or they're people you don't like. Most people know this deep down, but say the opposite because they don't wanna feel like assholes or monsters.
I know that this scene was to let Perrito have his chance to be a therapy dog, but it could also have been effective to have Kitty hug him or something to calm him down.
I've only had 2 drug induced panic attacks and they lasted hours, It was just like what happened in the movie but for 3 hours. It may also had some screaming, thankfully I had my own perrito in the form of friends who happen to be doctors and nurses by me.
I had a few after going clean from my ADHD meds and a year later, alcohol. I hate it because you feel like you're going to die which doesn't help when you're already not doing so hot health wise.
For a movie about talking animals finding a wish, they sure have a lot of mature themes and scenes. Disney has been trying to focus on generational trauma shit but can't make a serious, mature scene that actually has emotional impact to save their lives.
and then dreamworks shows up with the unexpected resurrected sequel to an offshoot of a highly successful cartoon comedy and does it right. something funny about that.
i cried as well, mainly because seeing puss like that is pretty heartbreaking, seeing him have flashbacks of Shrek and Donkey in the beginning was also pretty sad because you want him to be okay and with his friends again, ehhh and i could also relate to the anxiety part as well
I want to know why legacy male characters like Puss in Boots or Yakko Warner are suddenly being written as having massive anxiety disorders when they have shown no signs remotely of it before
Don't care for the Warners so idk what's going on there but they didn't show puss have an anxiety disorder, they showed a movie of him having an existential crisis which comes with anxiety and panic attacks. Also they explored why he didn't have any fear before hand, it's showcased throughout the beggining sequence before his 8th death. Did you watch the movie?
>Anxiety disorder
Nigga was being hunted by the physical manifestation of death, of course he's not the most composed in the world. That doesn't mean he has an anxiety disorder though, retard
Even then he probably would've been okay if he hadn't gotten the mortality whiplash. He just learned he's got one life left and this Wolf just struts in, styles all over him, and makes him realize he could actually literally die.
That said, I'd join in the complaints if they didn't show him, you know, overcoming it. That's the important part. Sure, he got rocked, but then he got back up, fought, and won. What way too many of these shows are doing is making it seem like some unbeatable thing that just clings to you and you barely put off, which might resonate with their perceived audience on a shitload of antidepressants who inexplicably wish to preach about how everyone else should live their lives, but it really doesn't work as a story. I had plenty I didn't like about this movie, that dog got on my nerves and his backstory felt sad on a forced level by the third exposition dump, but I can't deny they actually had the balls to have someone get knocked down and get back up despite the threat and danger, that's just good storytelling in general and something way too many films are "Subverting". Looking at you, fucking every Disney Movie in the last 5 years where the message is just "Hey you're perfect and everyone else is wrong."
>What way too many of these shows are doing is making it seem like some unbeatable thing that just clings to you and you barely put off
first, literally what shows are doing this? People are praising this for being accurate to what panic attacks are like, not because panic attacks are something they think you have to cope with.
Second, despite that this kind of shit is most of the time something you just have to deal with because you can't control is, and accepting as a thing that happens outside your control is part of lessening its hold on you. None of this is about glorifying having a mental illness.
Look at some of the retarded posts here by idiots who think you're not supposed to have this unless you have a mental illness or are weak and not super duper manly like Rambo was in the 90s. That mentality means that when this pretty normal human experience hits you during a point of high stress then it will be worse because you don't recognize it. Panic attacks are a normal everyday thing because life can be stressful and a little too much coffee on a bad day can leave you thinking you're about to die because you thought you were too manly for this shit.
You're just spitting a lot of made up shit you want to believe people are saying.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>first, literally what shows are doing this?
In no particular order off the top of my head. >Adventure Time >Regular show >Bojack Horseman >Rick and Morty >13 reasons does it have to be animated? I can get some more of those if it does. >Babadook fine not a show you got me but I saw it a week ago, sue me. >I'm told She-Ra but I admittedly never watched it. >not because panic attacks are something they think you have to cope with.
I mean that's good and all, but I was talking about in the narrative sense, as in they're an obstacle that needs to be overcome. I'm also praising that it didn't do that, to be clear. I like how it was used in the movie just because he eventually overcame it, that's what a character should do. >None of this is about glorifying having a mental illness.
I struggle to call what that stuff does as "Glorifying" anyway, more like deifying to be honest and it's a little unsettling. I really hate how it's infected the horror space too.
>Look at some of the retarded posts here by idiots who think you're not supposed to have this unless you have a mental illness
I agree with you that this is stupid, preaching to the choir on this one. His situation was completely understandable and had real stakes and that's why it felt so triumphant, for me personally at least, to see him fight on solo even if he had help in a more metaphorical sense with the dagger. Puss, the character, overcame it, and then he still got his team-battle to round it out after his personal thing was done. Perfect usage.
>You're just spitting a lot of made up shit you want to believe people are saying.
Made up shit? Seriously? It's a basic complaint about usage of obstacles in media. If it makes you feel better we have a much bigger issue in the other direction, which is why I brought up Disney's "Never faces any challenges just perfect and right and nobody else believes them" protagonists. Just saying.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What I was asking for were shows that portrayed mental illness in the way you're talking about: >more like deifying to be honest and it's a little unsettling
because those examples don't do that, at most they portray it as "this is a normal human thing and not something to stress over having to deal with". Bojak is about depression and how it sucks, R&M is being fake deep and should be ignored for it, AT actually had some good points in dealing with this shit right, not as a narrative thing, but in treating it as normal emotional responses. I have no clue what you mean in regular show, but they did accurately portray what being wasted is like when they ate those hot wings.
And the whole reason for "normalizing" these things in that way is because in past media was all about the opposite. "Haha you're a freak and a sissy loser for having a mental breakdown after experiencing something horrible and traumatic!" that's the boomer mentality, just pass the abuse on to your wife when you get home and you'll feel better.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That mentality means that when this pretty normal human experience hits you during a point of high stress then it will be worse because you don't recognize it.
I had my first one ever today. Was not prepared. Follow all the typical advice to eat and live well, but circumstances completely out of my control clocked me and it caught me off guard in the worst possible way.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>super duper manly like Rambo
Wasn't First Blood about PTSD
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then they realized that was homosexual shit so every sequel was non-stop testosterone.
You do understand people can have temporary anxiety at different points of their life, or situational induced panic attacks, without having an Anxiety Disorder right?
Just watched the short, they caught him by surprise, Puss thought they were just nice kitties, but after he freed them, they chained him and BURIED HIM ALIVE.
He somehow managed to free himself from the chains and crawl to the surface, but his biggest feat in this short probably was that he could use his cute look on them, even after they threw sand on his eyes.
Because despite what some of the snowflake homosexuals that post here like to pretend 95% of people who seriously use the internet have a Twitter and want to talk about the same shit in a different environment.
Sort of related question: people always swear up and down that you cannot die from an anxiety attack, but what about if you already have a weak heart or other health problems?
It can kill you if you already have an existing condition. Plus, the massively elevated heart rate and blood pressure will put you at risk for more chronic cardiovascular problems
I think that the fact that we are celebrating weakness even in films is a dark sign for the future of masculine society. Wake up, men, if your response to panic is anything other than a cool and collected confrontation of the root issue then you are not a man, but rather an asexual castrated homunculus. Children need stronger role models than this homosexual triple vaxxed furry basedcuck.
Somehow you managed to state the correct thing while attempting to be completely sarcastic. That's how fucked up your worldview is. You're a woman, congratulations. You've proved the trannies right.
>Movie celebrates weakness >A movie where the main character overcomes his weakness and comes out on top
Nice strawman homosexual.
That's like saying that a movie about war is promoting violence.
a movie where a main character gets to pussy (heh) out and practically break down in tears on screen is promoting weakness. The only way that would have been acceptable from a masculine standpoint is if he immediately died violently as a consequence of his weakness. But no, he is allowed to ignore his feminine hysteria and somehow still save the day. You're one of those 400 pound creatures who lets their wife fuck them in the ass, aren't you? Don't you have marital aids to be purchasing?
lol what a pussy he has mental health issues
real men ignore the pain and anguish and kill their ex wife when they are 50
real men are strong. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. We are living in a world where strength is seen as weakness and breaking down in tears when your wife doesn't buy you the new cucktoy 4000 vibrating anal wand is seen as strength.
Go back to sucking Andrew Tate's dick in his 20 dollar discord, homosexual
Tate gives me hope that there are still folks under 40 who understand what masculinity is supposed to be.
What about Tony Soprano? Literal same shit with the panic attacks. He wasn't made out to be a bitch character. Having 100% perfect masculine men in media is fun, in a campy way, but it's nice for the men to have slight flaws. The only problem is most people in the last decade fucking suck at writing men in general
It's pathetic. People go into the animation industry and they can't make anything fun or cool or exciting or inventive for the kids, they can only put themselves having mental health issues and being comforted by a pet into a movie for kids. Kids should not be getting ready for therapy and ssris, they should have their imaginations expanded to see the full Beauty of what they are capable of doing if they persevere to doing so.
Troon take, of the most obvious sort. If you hang out with people for whom masculinity kills their Spirits they are very weak and corrupt people you shouldn't be hanging out with anyway. It's like lowlife criminals who hate and fear the cops, but the cop is just a normal man
>Nooo you can’t be terrified that you lived carefree your whole life and not there’s a great chance you’re dying for real nooo
Common emotion for even the most masculine
clearly you don't because that shit was over the top and campy. It was a dumb fad for HYPER MUSCLE MEN, it wasn't "manly" it was cartoonish. Back then "manly" was still considered to be clint eastwood, or more suave and "too cool to care" shit.
You're thinking about movies that had actions and guns and explosions but no character. Meanwhile actual adult movies with manly characters weren't afraid to show a character's weakness, because most stories are about overcoming weakness. A perfect flawless person is a cartoon not an ideal.
>a cool and collected confrontation of the root issue
Agreed.
This should easily be the best way to deal with an oncoming threat. Not immediately pissing your pants in fear and going into hysterics. That would be an absolute last resort move, which would is okay, since feeling fear is natural and part of all of us. But I personally wouldn't recommend it, or at the very least, don't show it, since you'd never want whatever enemy you're facing to see you in such a state. That would just make it way worse, since they'd very likely get a twisted enjoyment out of it and mock you for it. And besides, if shit really went down and everyone just did the latter all the time, then we'd all truly be fucked.
You will never be a man.
>your kid has a panic attack? just beat the shit out of him until he stops
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dont you old homosexuals have an ex wife to be screaming at or something
>characters can't have WEAKNESS that's not MANLY
incel hands wrote this.
While he's kind of a dick about it, the root of his point isn't unfounded.
>While he's kind of a dick about it, the root of his point isn't unfounded.
it's literal boomer nonsense. If you're still too young and sheltered to have ever had actual problems in your life then you might fall for this shit, but it's retarded.
>This should easily be the best way to deal with an oncoming threat. Not immediately pissing your pants in fear and going into hysterics.
you're talking about it like it's a logical choice to have a panic attack. What kind of retarded kid are you? "Feeling fear" isn't what this is about. A panic attack is a thing your body does outside of your control. It being triggered isn't a "last resort".
Also, hysterics was made up to diagnose women who were suffering from PTSD and panic attacks from being abused, but because the doctors were being paid for by the abusers who controlled the women's lives and wanted drugs to pacify their episodes.
Stop talking like a dumb suburban kid who was raised by boomers. shit happens in life. You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
>You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
you absolute do control and condition how your body reacts to things if you have any self awareness at all. If you have an allergy you do not eat the thing you are allergic to. If you have a trigger that makes you anxious you can absolutely condition yourself to not be affected by said trigger. Exposure therapy is a real thing and works.
>inb4 some homosexual
"oh yeah what about child rape exposure HUH!"
even worse there are people who are going to act like having responsibility triggers their anxiety so they should never be responsible for anything. Happens a billion times everyday with a specific gender. If you expose people to the consequences of their actions they will (should be forced to) start changing how they act in tandem.
>it's literal boomer nonsense
But the main point isn't wrong. You should be able to collect yourself enough in dangerous situations in order to make it out alive from said situations. >A panic attack is a thing your body does outside of your control. >outside of your control.
That's a lie. There are people whose jobs require training that allows them to compose themselves and control their emotions (Doctors/Police/Fireman) even when they're in a grave amount of danger or stressful situation. >It being triggered isn't a "last resort"
I said it should seen as one. But if it's always a first for someone and they aren't able to control or restrain it, even after enough practice and therapy, then those people were clearly never cut out for those lines of work and should presumably resign; for their own wellbeing. >hysterics was made up to diagnose women who were suffering from PTSD and panic attacks from being abused, >Hysterics. definition: a wildly emotional and exaggerated reaction
Dude really wanted to squeeze in some extra white-knight points there. You knew exactly what I meant. >Stop talking like a dumb suburban kid who was raised by boomers.
You're trying to tell me this when you've been acting like an obnoxious, know it all, sheep libcuck to me even when wasn't even being remotely hostile towards you >shit happens in life.
I agree. That's why you should personally learn that, instead of parroting talking points you found from Tumblr and going on a self-righteous spree in this thread. >You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
But you can learn to control it. There are people everyday who put their lives on the line and usually succeed because they've learned to push on forward, even in the most horrifying of scenarios. That's exactly what Courage is. The ability to face something that scares many and deal with difficult challenges, even when you yourself are afraid; Something that should never be deterred nor looked down upon.
>Movie celebrates weakness >A movie where the main character overcomes his weakness and comes out on top
Nice strawman homosexual.
That's like saying that a movie about war is promoting violence.
God this shot is so fucking perfect.
That blade Death is using isn't just the one with the souls scratched into it, it's also the same blade he cut Puss with in their first fight. And using the tiny knife isn't just him doing a clever maneuver to not die (which it also is, and is cool as fuck). It's the blade Kitty gave him to defend himself, the same blade she used to cut the sad ugly beard off his face, the beard he grew when he became too afraid to go back out into the world due to his fear of Death. And Puss bonding with her anew is part of how he finally learns to value his life. This is literally his entire character arc of the film summed up by a brief moment in a fight scene. 10/10 cine.
Kitty was his former love interest and an instrumental part of him coming around to being a hero again.
Would you rather her be a guy? Would you rather Kitty be a man so he and Puss can be gay lovers? What do you want?
how about not have them be lovers at all? why can't he just be a friend or maybe a son figure? your problem is you want romance to be apart of it even if it means feeding into girl power. fucking cuckold.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're not allowed to post from jail, Mr. Tate.
Thought the movie was good.
Saddest scene to me was when the dog was describing how he was literally tied into a sock with a rock and thrown into a fucking river, and how clueless he is about the attempted murder.
Then the fact he is wearing the sock as a sweater is really, really morbid to me.
Like someone using a noose as a scarf.
It's just really sad, I didn't expect to see something so horrifying in this kid's movie.
Perrito is such an endearing character. I was so worried he'd be Dog Olaf based on the previews, but I ended up really liking him, especially after the panic attack scene. Both helping him calm down and talking him through his issues without judgement. He's a good boy.
No you fucking idiot. The movie was about abandoning fake bravado and valuing the life you have. Puss crumpled without his safety net and learned to be fearless without it at the end.
Somehow you managed to state the correct thing while attempting to be completely sarcastic. That's how fucked up your worldview is. You're a woman, congratulations. You've proved the trannies right.
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a movie where a main character gets to pussy (heh) out and practically break down in tears on screen is promoting weakness. The only way that would have been acceptable from a masculine standpoint is if he immediately died violently as a consequence of his weakness. But no, he is allowed to ignore his feminine hysteria and somehow still save the day. You're one of those 400 pound creatures who lets their wife fuck them in the ass, aren't you? Don't you have marital aids to be purchasing?
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real men are strong. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. We are living in a world where strength is seen as weakness and breaking down in tears when your wife doesn't buy you the new cucktoy 4000 vibrating anal wand is seen as strength.
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Tate gives me hope that there are still folks under 40 who understand what masculinity is supposed to be.
It's pathetic. People go into the animation industry and they can't make anything fun or cool or exciting or inventive for the kids, they can only put themselves having mental health issues and being comforted by a pet into a movie for kids. Kids should not be getting ready for therapy and ssris, they should have their imaginations expanded to see the full Beauty of what they are capable of doing if they persevere to doing so.
Troon take, of the most obvious sort. If you hang out with people for whom masculinity kills their Spirits they are very weak and corrupt people you shouldn't be hanging out with anyway. It's like lowlife criminals who hate and fear the cops, but the cop is just a normal man
What a bizarre response. I hear about all these extra special mental illnesses and their conditions from leftists whose ideology is poisonous to their minds, and so they suffer side effects very much like the symptoms of a physical disease.
Kids should not be assumed to grow up so unnaturally- hopefully we can stamp out wokeness in time for the kids who saw The Last Wish to grow up
[...] >fake bravado
Sounds like some anti-masculinity stuff to me. Puss in Boots is a Robin Hood type, that's not false bravado, he's a hero and should have the Swagger and attitude of a hero. Tearing him down is an expression of our anti-masculine culture which prefers people to be psychologically desexed
I experienced industry people going after my "false bravado" all the time since I was a teenager, my animation efforts are and have always been meant to advance society and individuals through the medium of cartoons, and so I take on the attitude of someone who aims to do this. They've done so much damage to the world by trying to fight against the masculinity of myself and others.
Btw, I saw more clips from this movie and they were so utterly generic
>men being devastated after facing their mortality is some brand new theme that the soijak npc army have just recently injected into popular fiction as subversion >no protags before 2008 were ever shown experiencing and overcoming extreme distress
Sorry, Gramps, that hard-ass shit is why men before us died miserable and alone, unable to feel anything but despair. Why would we want that after seeing what a lifetime of it does to a person? We're learning from your mistakes now.
Fuck yeah post of the year, I couldnt shitpost this good if they'd pay me. Just look at it its got everything, I was trying to come up with something like this but its like I've just seen Paul Allens card and im stunned.
>LOL YOU ARE AFRAID OF DYING? >WHAT ARE YOU A homosexual?
People like you are insufferable.
The guy was being chased by death, actual death, what kind of NPC do you have to be to not be able to empathize over the fear of death.
How about you be a man and throw yourself off a bridge?
You're not afraid are you?
I'm a sadist and into hurt/comfort so I enjoyed seeing Puss being anxious and terrified. It really hit the spot. I hope a bunch of teenage girls saw and enjoyed this movie and get to work cranking out those fanfics for me to enjoy later.
>I hope a bunch of teenage girls saw and enjoyed this movie and get to work cranking out those fanfics for me to enjoy later.
Based, i will do the same
>Several years ago was a college student that was living in parents house cause college was close by >Alone in the house one day >Think to myself "I can kill myself with my father's gun right now and no one could stop me" >Out of nowhere heart starts beating like a war horse >Start grasping for air as it's getting more difficult to breathe >Realize I'm having a full blown panic attack out of nowhere by myself in the living room >This goes on for five minutes >Start calming down and breathing/heart rate goes back to normal >Decide to just ignore whatever the fuck just happened and tell nobody of this >Never had this happen to me again to this day >mfw this movie made me realize the concept of death itself was probably what set it off.
In a weird way, yeah.
Somewhat related, but I've been feeling suicidal lately but the idea of actually killing myself is really fucking frightening. More specifically what comes after death is what frightens me most. Whether it be hell or I'm trapped in a coma with only my thoughts and no way to move my body or I get reincarnated into a worse life or whatever. It's horrifying to think about what comes next and that there's no way to come back.
So I learned something new after my first major panic attack, I learned that when your heart stops or when you have a stroke or something major at fault with your heart you get a symptom called "feeling of impending doom" which is literally just that, an inescapable feeling that you're going to die, like an absolute terrible certainty constantly beating itself into your head and refusing to let you ignore it.
Anyway I learned that the day after my panic attack where I also learned that sometimes an extreme panic or anxiety attack can trigger that same symptom that you're only supposed to only feel when your heart literally stops. Only unlike when your heart stops, you don't die shortly after. So the feeling of impending doom gets to last a lot longer.
And if you've never had a panic attack and don't know what to expect then your reaction to it can make it worse, as your paranoia about your heart palpitations can make them and your anxiety worse. And worse. And worse. Until you get the above feeling of impending doom. And it could go on for hours without you having any clue what's happening.
This is a culturally spread phenomena. We have some anxiety as a natural experience, but the way we frame it has made it grow into something so much bigger than it needed to. We fear it. We put it on a damn high pedestal of importance. We talk about it like an inevitability. We nurture it. We facilitate it.
It's no wonder this shit keeps getting more prominent as a problem young people face.
Of course it depends on the person. It's probably even a genetic thing which is why almost anyone might get a panic attack while many others will never experience one
I used to have them until I started to reject the idea of them on a fundamental level. It's been years since I've had one. The brain is fucking malleable and people have no idea how much they're shaping it to be more vulnerable and dependent with the way they frame depression and anxiety as this inescapable fact of life.
they're more common as you get older. You could be easily juggling large amounts of stress at 24 then when you're 26 suddenly half that load is triggering an attack. But as you get older you get better at managing stress too so usually the peak time to have them for most people is late 20s.
But then people are different and some people can just be more prone to these kinds of things naturally. It's like being prone to high blood pressure or whatever.
no, no anon none of that is true. We do the opposite and culturally for the longest time told people to "man up". Additionally, it's only common in modern society. If we had a good old apocalypse and went back to a mainly agricultural lifestyle shit would be hard and we'd have worse problems, but there would be far fewer cases of people living lives full of constant stress that eventually triggers an attack.
we don't "fear it" we disrespect it and act like we're above it. Then it hits you and you don't know what it is because you didn't think it would happen to you. That's the problem.
being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger. Made them reach deep down within themselves and produce victories out of difficult situations instead of being given the opportunity to be weak and dependent.
I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
>being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger
I bet you think overtime makes you work more productively and we should just power through our sickness rather than resting
>being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger.
it literally did the opposite and that's a pretty well known fact now. It was spoiled boomers who never knew stress talking down to their kids who couldn't obtain the same standard of living despite excessive stress.
So no, you fucking retard. Grow the fuck up.
>I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
you didn't have depression. That shit can work for some people with panic attacks but the stress is still there. Depression literally does not work like that. And you can't stop a person's panic attacks by telling them to get over it, it's a more complicated awareness of the problem they need to work their way to understanding. Yeah people saying "there's nothing I can do" are avoiding dealing with the problem, but your advice is worse.
And seriously no that shit doesn't help depression. If you think it cured yours I guarantee that wasn't medical depression, you were just sad.
>I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
doubtful.
anxiety, depression and weakness is part of the human condition, mirroring empathy and the desire to survive. you can't escape from it, and to reject any of them is just plain willful ignorance.
besides, being told to "man up" does absolutely nothing productive. it means to ignore yourself and keep going at the cost of pain, as opposed to taking a step back and handling things more wisely.
Better men than you fought in WW1 and WW2 fought some of the most horrific battles in history and still ended up killing themselves long after the war ended
one thing i dislike about how people see the wolf is that he's often depicted as a vengeful killer most of the time when i see him as someone who's fuckin outraged that puss somehow hasn't learned to not to continue throwing his life away even after dying eight times
like come on people, he's not fuckin heartless
Disrespecting death generally doesn't matter, because you disrespect death and you die. Disrespecting death while having multiple lives though? Yeah, he's gonna be pissed.
that too, but there's a bit of overlap
by disrespecting death, he's not respecting his own life either. but in the end he understands his mortality and the true value of his last life, and in doing so quite literally makes peace with death
https://vocaroo.com/12LL1fV7LNO5
there's a second part to this that's whistled during the panic attack, iirc
I thought most people got that just fine. Puss wasn't respecting life, and Death is the biggest fan of life. So he's pissed at this retarded asshole cat who was given 9 lives he's just wasting flippantly like a spoiled rich kid throwing money around. He was a braggart and claimed to not fear death because he had no respect for the value of his own life.
Death wanted to put him in his place for that. Then Puss learns his lesson and it blueballs the wolf.
Death seemed like both to me, like, sure, Puss has been pretty much wasting his lives in stupid ways, but at the same time, can't he just let him keep doing it? It's outright stated that he's doing this because he wants to, he's specifically trying to kill Puss because he doesn't value his life instead of letting him die normally, and he doesn't just kill him, he toys with him, gives him anxiety, scares the hell out of him, etc., he's a jerk.
>Death is the biggest fan of life >[puss] was a braggart and claimed to not fear death because he had no respect for the value of his own life.
this right here's my point
but from most of the posts i've seen elsewhere, anyways it's all just shit from the fights and how bloodthirsty he looks, not unlike the art in >135038609's post
Death seemed like both to me, like, sure, Puss has been pretty much wasting his lives in stupid ways, but at the same time, can't he just let him keep doing it? It's outright stated that he's doing this because he wants to, he's specifically trying to kill Puss because he doesn't value his life instead of letting him die normally, and he doesn't just kill him, he toys with him, gives him anxiety, scares the hell out of him, etc., he's a jerk.
How is one "rhetorically" and "theoretically" death? I get metaphorically and poetically.
Yeah but because Puss doesn't values his life.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it's kinda like a bragging thing
e.g. smaug from the lord of the rings called himself "death" because of how much destruction he wrought in the past
but the wolf is the literal personification of death, this world's actual grim reaper.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah but because Puss doesn't values his life.
That still makes him a jerk, he could've just let Puss waste his last life by masturbating too hard or something, but instead he went out of his way to hunt him like an animal, which he didn't have to do at all.
Like, sure Puss didn't respect life nor death, but that doesn't mean Death had to stalk him like a psycho, sure it scared him into growing as a person, but that was never Death's intention, he just wanted Puss dead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He had to hunt him because he didn't care about it being his last life. It's why he stopped in Luna, because Puss had already given up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He had a literal brush with Death to realize his own mortality.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Whenever he actually confronted puss it was when he was already in danger of something else. He had a lot of chances to kill him in their first meeting but he didn't, because he was the threat of death suddenly hanging over him and weighing down on him. All his quick appearances were when there was immediate mortal danger.
When puss was in danger the wolf was there ready to pounce, when puss was in a position to feel fear of death but not immediate danger, then the wolf chased. The wolf didn't chase when he ran from the fight into the woods.
The end fight was different because the wolf appeared when he was having a change of heart over his fear, so he confronted the wolf and the fight dissolved into death leaving. Then puss faced the end fight.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Rhetorically
Using it as a moniker for being deadly. "No I am not a bounty hunter with a fancy name"
>Theoretically
Possibly being Death. "There are no maybes here bitch. I am Death itself"
I like that it didn't make it psychedelic or anything. Just good sound design and de-saturated colors and environmental design
I remember when I had my first ever panic attack in the middle of the night a few years ago and I thought I was having a fucking heart attack
People need to talk about what panic attacks feel like because most of the problem with them is that when you first get them you have no clue what the fuck is happening and panicking only makes it worse, but if you knew what the fuck was happening you'd panic less and have an idea for how to try and relax until it passes. Just knowing it's not a heart attack can make all the difference.
I haven't had them since leaving my super stressful previous job, but it reached a point where it would start and I'd just be like "eh, whatever" and kind of shove the symptoms to the side in my mind and find somewhere to relax on my phone until they faded. But that first one was awful.
Yeah. Like I assumed panic attacks kicked in because of something obvious but no, they can be triggered by something completely inane and non-obvious.
Seeing Puss just sitting and trying to calm down on his own and having his friend be there to bring him back to normal was nice. I never had an animal for that but I imagine it would be very helpful for just turning your focus to anything else
Fuck that movie too, completely glossed over that shit after wasting half the movie futzing around thanks to a giant chest glowing plothole. Him having PTSD would've been fine if it mattered some time in the last half hour of movie. What's the point of inserting something like that into the narrative if you're just going to have a bog standard fight scene at the end?
It made sense and wasn't done in some obnoxious topical lecturing kind of way. Just a story about a cat terrified of the grim reaper done in an effective way.
It's not cheating if he makes the rules :^) Actually, does Death make the rules? How does Life feel about this? Are they in control of everything or do they have some kind of boss?
>he chased when puss was at a point of feeling fear >he only stood there when puss was in actual danger >he only fought seriously when puss was overcoming his fear
the wolf lied, he was death metaphorically.
puss outright exploited his ability to come back from the dead 8 times and fuckin ridiculed death each time he did, basically seeing all his lives as disposable
so dude went and said "if they're so disposable, what's wrong with me taking the last one?"
>puss outright exploited his ability to come back from the dead 8 times
What's he supposed to do? Wait until he's an old man so he can die from 9 heart attacks?
That's why I believe Death manifests itself differently based on the individual. If Shrek ever pissed off Death enough for him to take physical form, imagine what he'd be.
That one was outright bullshit. Wolf Death was pissed Puss kept mocking him and not valuing life.
Death Note guy followed the rules as written and made a win for himself. Shinigami King was a salty homosexual who changed the rules afterward. Even then the guy still ended up making loads of people rich and also making Trump look like a chad so long as he keeps the ruse cruise going
it's like how we used to blame fairies replacing children for autism and now idiots act like it's a new thing just because we've come up with words to distinguish it from other developmental problems in kids.
I wish homosexuals could just like this movie and its scenes instead of doing the "i felt so represented when the cat had a panic attack and they handled it SO well.... it really helps show others what people like me go through, 10/10 film"
Something i'm curious about is how many people do you think predicted the Wolf being literally Death.
It got spoiled for me beforehand but there were some neat hints leading up to the reveal >he keeps mysteriously appearing out of nowhere >Puss is the only one who interacts with him or even notices him >black cloak and weapons that look like scythes >puss literally saying he laughs in the face of death when they first meet >that line about how "no one has ever escaped me"
If you go into the film without exposing to the trailers and such, Death is obvious with his appearance. Like he literally popped out the moment there's a discussion about death and he has the hood and all.
The trailers I feel immediately "masks" him being Death by calling him Big Bad Wolf, showing him in shroud, etc.
What the other anon said. He appears out of nowhere, does the whole "They all think they can beat me but none have" and other such lines, and while he doesn't have a giant scythe, he uses two sickles which are essentially just mini scythes. Also he's pale white and has the black hood.
I still like they kept it straight and made us think he's a bounty hunter, and kept everything he was saying inline with what death or a bounty hunter could say.
A lesser writer would just assume the audience knows it's death and lampshade or some shit.
The entire movie showcases how the teams that worked on this actually gave a shit about what they were doing, and took their time with it. Makes me hopeful for future projects.
If you didn't realise from the very first encounter that he was literally death then you're just dumb, sadly. He's wearing a black hood and is using scythes, like cmon.
I thought he was just designed that way to represent Puss's fear of death. I actually didn't like when he said out loud, "I'M LITERALLY DEATH AS IN ACTUALLY DEATH ITSELF FOR REAL GET IT?!?!?!?!!!" I know it's a kid's movie but they really went too hard on that point in the "reveal" and it made me roll my eyes.
He is looking at Puss, then lightning flashes indicating Death has entered, he looks at it and makes and excuse to leave, note that he never does return with the "heavier stuff".
It's a twist from audacity, you expect him to be symbolic of death, or some other gay shit going in cause actual fucking death showing up in a story is a very very hard flex to pull off well
>wanted poster from first encounter had dead circled, put emphasis on the dead by himself tapping it. It showed that he cared more about wanting puss dead than the bounty. The fact that he told him to pick up his sword when Puss lost it
>puss contemplates only having 1 death left >a BOUNTY HUNTER suddenly appears to catch him >calls himself a big fan of him ironically because he's annoyed in the first place that he squandered his lives and just laughs at his face
Already felt it was off in the beginning
kinda hard to find a pairing cute when you want to BRUTALIZE one half. god if there was a full movie where the animators just tortured death in whatever cruel, unusual and horrible way they could think of for an hour, i'd buy at least two seats just for myself. death dying would go against everything the film makers envisioned but i was still disappointed when it didn't end with puss in boots just fucking decapitating him or using his own scythe to beat him until he's a bloody, insignificant splatter on the floor. the moment i first saw him while i was watching from home my face metaphorically reddened at the sight of this deathfucker. no other fictional character has ever caused me this much turmoil and anger. in my mind i kept on thinking of slurs and insults to call that cock gnobbling shit eating furbag. his whole shtick was shit. "OOOH I LIKE FEAR AND KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M A 'BOUNTY HUNTER'" get a real job and a real weapon you piss goblin. guess what? you're not the only one who can lick his lips or make a fictional character bleed. let's not forget that he will never be a wolf. wolves have rounded ears, this guy has sharper ones like a husky. dogger. "OOOH i have red eyes im SCAWY" a fucking teddy bear can be scary if it can kill, you furbaiting ass sniffing wolf-larping cathating selfsedating castrated dog. AND GET PLANTIGRADE LEGS, YOU FUCKING LOSER. i hope he gets his shins and knees broken in so when he wakes up after surgery and tries to get up, he falls over because of his stupid """wolf""" legs.
the movie was fine i just really hate him specifically
>censors
Looking the movie again for a second time to see the little details, this film got away with a lot of shit for a PG rating. That small drip of blood caught me off guard seeing it first time.
I love reading plebbit on why The Last Wish succeeded but Disney is failing. So far, the consensus is Disney is intentionally sabotaging their box office runs (with lack of marketing) so that they can fully transition to streaming.
They won't even address the woke aspects and anyone who does is getting downvoted.
>Disney releases transparent 3DCG cashgrabs with zero capacity for visual style, coloring, voice talent, or storytelling >any "social justice" shit is very noticeably cut so that it can be removed for international release, and everyone knows it even on Twitter >the few movies that can't be trimmed into China-friendly versions receive no advertising >but what's the main thing keeping Disney from success? That's right, it's the naggerS AND WHORES
this tbh, it's not the wokeness, it's the PERFORMATIVE wokeness that they abandon as soon as it's inconvenient
also fuck the way the live-action remakes have this ridiculous fake-reverence for the source material, like they're going "you know it'll be as good as this thing because it WORSHIPS this thing like in a fucking CHURCH" hey, you know what didn't have borderline-religious reverence for the original Little Mermaid? the original Little Mermaid. so stop jerking yourselves off with the new one.
Puss was so expressive, I think that's the secret sauce in this movie
At first I thought they were overselling it but no, it did in the beginning but only so that it normalizes, it was crucial
I’m a fairly mentally ill wreck but I dislike seeing “le struggle” of mental health done in popular media since it’s invariably a phony way to drum up sympathy/pity.
The most realistic “muh mental health“ theme done in a movie was unironically pic related.
People watching a cartoon cat having le anxiety is different than how they would respond to someone having it IRL. They just want to feel good watching a fictionalized version of it.
>They just want to feel good watching a fictionalized version of it.
I just want the movies I watch to be good. If a character in a movie has a panic attack, I'd prefer it to be portrayed realistically than not.
Such a strong scene. I had to keep myself from crying because I was with family. Also, from this part onward, Puss stops seeing Perrito as an annoying tagalong and instead sees him for the loyal and supportive friend he is.
That scene made me pop off because
1. He did the thing he said he could do and very well
2. I feel like he could very much relate to the feelings puss is having at that moment given how bad his life was up to that point and was able to help puss in his time of need
This is the best balance of comedy and drama Dreamworks has ever done. I feel like the scripts for their movies frequently struggle with when to make jokes and if those jokes will land. A lesser rendition of this story would have kept the Perrito comedy focused on him annoying others even after his big scene. The story and characterization came first which actually made the comedy bits better, as it should be.
Such a strong scene. I had to keep myself from crying because I was with family. Also, from this part onward, Puss stops seeing Perrito as an annoying tagalong and instead sees him for the loyal and supportive friend he is.
I'm so glad I went to the theater alone for my first viewing. I didn't cry but god damn I was struggling. My heart couldn't take it, bros.
What a bizarre response. I hear about all these extra special mental illnesses and their conditions from leftists whose ideology is poisonous to their minds, and so they suffer side effects very much like the symptoms of a physical disease.
Kids should not be assumed to grow up so unnaturally- hopefully we can stamp out wokeness in time for the kids who saw The Last Wish to grow up
No you fucking idiot. The movie was about abandoning fake bravado and valuing the life you have. Puss crumpled without his safety net and learned to be fearless without it at the end.
>fake bravado
Sounds like some anti-masculinity stuff to me. Puss in Boots is a Robin Hood type, that's not false bravado, he's a hero and should have the Swagger and attitude of a hero. Tearing him down is an expression of our anti-masculine culture which prefers people to be psychologically desexed
I experienced industry people going after my "false bravado" all the time since I was a teenager, my animation efforts are and have always been meant to advance society and individuals through the medium of cartoons, and so I take on the attitude of someone who aims to do this. They've done so much damage to the world by trying to fight against the masculinity of myself and others.
Btw, I saw more clips from this movie and they were so utterly generic
Movie would had been better if it was 1 hour longer hell make it 3 hours long like LOTR and if Death was a girl.
I feel like the movie crammed too many main characters in.
The great thing about animal characters is they're free to be any human race you want, or no race if that's what you'd prefer. This means that everyone can potentially identify with them and their struggles, without going "wait a minute, this character has a different skin colour than myself, I can't sympathize with them." I mean, I have no issues being empathetic towards people that don't look like me, but apparently I'm in the minority here.
Also, frankly, they're just cuter and typically far more visually appealing than human characters. Or maybe they're just harder to fuck up.
Honestly it's only good for seeing flashy animation. The story and characters are very underwhelming. There's not really enough to keep older audiences interested.
It's definitely leaned towards a way younger audience, which I guess makes sense because it's based on a series of popular children's books. But that does mean a lot of fart jokes and that level of humor and writing. It does have really nice to look at animation, though, and having watched it again recently the wolf character has some pretty blatant Lupin the Third vibes going on. Background characters are kind of distracting, though, not gonna lie.
>But that does mean a lot of fart jokes
There's 2 in the entire movie. One that actually contributes to the plot, somewhat. I mean I agree I wish they weren't there and I rolled my eyes a bit, but at least there was only two.
Is the bad guys solid?
It's pretty decent. It doesn't tell a very complex or unique story, but it does have some really solid character interactions. It's a simple story, but with a very nice presentation. Also it's animated really, really well. It feels very dynamic.
Dreamworks usually makes tv shows and shorts based on their latest hits, so chances are we will get another puss in boots tv show, now with team friendship, plus some shorts. The Bad Guys is getting a christmas special and had one short after its release, can’t see why they wouldn’t do that for this movie.
I would like to see 3 shorts based on the 3 villains of the film.
Saddest scene to me was when the dog was describing how he was literally tied into a sock with a rock and thrown into a fucking river, and how clueless he is about the attempted murder.
Then the fact he is wearing the sock as a sweater is really, really morbid to me.
Like someone using a noose as a scarf.
It's just really sad, I didn't expect to see something so horrifying in this kid's movie.
So correct me if I'm wrong - but what the fuck does his panic attack has to do with anxiety? The guy's literally high on adrenaline after crossing the literal personofication of death? Fear is the catalyst not fucking anxiety.
The hairball made the fight completely unfair, and Puss was a powerful fighter (able to swordfight multiple guards with ease) even then. We don't know how many years later this movie came out.
I believe Puss could wipe the floor with Shrek now. Look at how big his fingernails are.
Puss wasn't able to damage Shrek. He gave up once Shrek caught him.
He never got to so much as put his blade into Shrek. Hell, Puss' claws hurt Shrek pretty bad. It'd be death by a thousand cuts, but Puss has been a fighter of literal giants.
Shrek is a tough Ogre and very pragmatic. That's how he took on Farquad's knights. Problem is, Puss is just as pragmatic, if not moreso and both fight dirty.
The hairball made the fight completely unfair, and Puss was a powerful fighter (able to swordfight multiple guards with ease) even then. We don't know how many years later this movie came out.
I believe Puss could wipe the floor with Shrek now. Look at how big his fingernails are.
Today I learned that people have been playing Death's whistle in school and other places to see who recognizes it and get pretty visceral reactions, and I'm very happy to know that.
I liked that it was brief. People meme anxiety and panic attacks as being this crippling thing that requires you to handle the person with kid gloves 24/7. But this movie portrays it as not a defining aspect of his personality but a hurdle to overcome. It’s also a good moment of character growth for him and the dog and gives the dog some depth by showing he was in fact capable of being a therapy pet and wasn’t just delusional.
The boomer mentality is strong in this thread? What's wrong with an anxiety attack being portrayed accurately? Isn't it better when a movie is accurate, except when it's played for laughs? I get strong boomer vibes in this thread. Not everything is a conspiracy trying to make the kids these days soft.
I think this movie takes a very serious topic for an animated series.
I mean, Death is not really a villain, as much as you think of it that way. It's a force of nature itself, part of Life itself. We must not mock about Death because no matter how powerful, strong or fast we are; Death will come for us at some point, and no matter how much time we can win, in the end, we will never truly escape from it.
So, appreciate your life and respect Death. Because as much as Life can turn unpredictable, there's one fact for sure: It will end at some point.
People are milking the fuck out of that scene on twitter. I understand it's nice to have something like that treated semi seriously, but I feel like they're taking away some of the genuineness in exchange for easy likes and retweets.
I cant do it anon its all so fake to me, the closest I get so social media is through others and post here. I'll browse nitter for an artist but cant use sm, it makes it hard to connect with people sometimes, they expect you to have or know things from sm. I'm saddened that no other site allows discussion like it happens here.
>Beautiful pain the movie
Actually watched it twice, which is rare for modern animation, and it really flies through 100 minutes.
It's a nitpick that perrito mentions he wants to be a therapy dog, just for it to tie in to this scene. It'd have been more "intelligent" for him to have just done the therapy dog head rest. That said, even thinking about the scene and way the movie handled these themes is putting a catch in my throat and wetness in my eye.
What all these are doing is twisting the a real message of the scene in the context of the total movie to fit their pathetic existences >Movie is a piece focusing on the second half of the heroes journey >Puss is cowardly
this is not championed >Puss has a panic attack.jpg
More importantly abandons his goals, structurally >Is brought back by perito, explores his inner pain a bit >back to the quest, course correction through support >Then the fall, lowest moment is running from the wolf fight in the spirit cave then isolating from support >Dovetails into being confronted by kitty, mixing the literal threat with the metaphorical ones as he tries to explain his weakness-complexes to another
[Come to Jesus moment" here] >Confidently faces death and embraces the good in his life, is what he was but no longer flawed.
What puss at the end became wasn't a little bitch who has panic attacks. It doesn't normalize weakness, it tells you to come to terms with your past and be a fucking man in the present while respecting the value of your future. Good movie, good message. Anyone reading it otherwise is coping because they don't want to put in that work themselves.
>No it's ok I'm a bitch, puss has panic attacks just liek me!!1!
The movie says otherwise. It's about a character working through his shit instead of wallowing like you do. If you don't resonate with it because you were there, but because you think you are there (and that isn't bad and something you need to change), then you're never going to make it and you don't understand the movie.
I'm 20 and went and saw this with my siblings at a late showing after we were done skiing for the day. Sister didn't like it but she's also a edgy teenage girl. Brother and I had fun talking about it afterwards.
My roomates and I are planning on going to it later this week since they haven't seen it yet.
It was okay, people are over hyping it for stupid reasons just like every other recent popular film, you dont need to make something good to be successful nowdays, just focus on couple of popular things and people will swallow anything up without a second thought.
I saw Shrek and Shrek 2 but not the other PiB movie(s?) and I also feel I didn't miss anything, nor do I think anyone would miss anything from not seeing any Shrek movie aside from not recognizing Shrek in a quarter second flashback shot when Puss is facing the Wolf for the first time.
Oh, yeah, that's true, too. I guess you'd miss that if you knew nothing about Shrek, but also you'd just think they're heading to some other land and I don't think you'd lose much meaning in the scene overall.
>saw a webm of this scene with the bottom half "conveniently" cropped >went to see in theaters >scene starts playing >too distracted remembering the webm to fully appreciate the moment >literally can't stop thinking about it no matter how hard I try
Fuck you anon who posted that original webm.
That's not really a spoiler. At least not a significant one. Why are you even on this board right now if you don't want spoilers? And why haven't you seen it yet?
It's such a good shot but it also annoys the shit out of me knowing that Kitty is declawed and that it's her that is holding onto the branch while standing at such an angle
holy shit grow up you losers, stop idolizing your mental illnesses, this scene was the worst in the entire movie. if it made you cry, you're just a homosexualy bitch-ass pussy and you probably cry at alot in general anyways so it doesn't really speak to the "maturity" of the scene it just speaks to your weakness.
holy shit grow up you losers, stop idolizing your mental illnesses, this scene was the worst in the entire movie. if it made you cry, you're just a homosexualy bitch-ass pussy and you probably cry at alot in general anyways so it doesn't really speak to the "maturity" of the scene it just speaks to your weakness.
>Like who gives a fuck
Mentally ill people who think things like this are the highlight of the movie because they self diagnose themselves with autism in their Twitter profile.
Oh right, I didn't see that. Still, the idea that "it's stupid to empathize with characters in a story because they're non-human" is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a bit. The animation/literary industry is full of decades of material starring non-human characters and the plights they go through. I don't give a fuck what some homosexual on twitter or tumblr is saying to get attention currently, taking such an abrasive stance in the opposite direction out of petty spite just shows a reactionary lack of principles
"Talking Animal People" come from a tradition in folklore. The Fable.
From Aesop to American Folk, the Animal has been used in Parable to relate Man's own Truths, good or bad, back to himself as in indirect filter.
We use the Talking Animal to Subvert and Penetrate past our Defensive Mechanisms to say and convey something we otherwise would've never allowed to Defeat our Certainties about our myriad Modes of Being.
If you Really Don't need some fuzzy little creature to relay some truth about you, to you, then I congratulate you for being so Zen that You don't need it.
Or being such a dried up turd you're already crumbling away and on your way to just not existing anymore.
But I'm telling you anyway,
This Shit Is Still Fucking Valid To Anyone Needing A God Damn Fable To Reflect Themselves Back To Them.
It's not some bitch ass homosexual pussy shit or the fuck ever you wanna deny it by for them.
It's real.
It's actually even a reminder of the Freshness of their Being.
That they can Feel something.
They have an inner Warmth and Depth and Vividness that has yet to be Diminished.
Not reading that, if you need a tournament arc length explanation defending a cat having a mental breakdown so these weak zoomers can feel better, then IDK what to tell ya
>stop idolizing your mental illnesses
This. The de-stigmatization of mental health has been a disaster for these recent generations. It was supposed to help people be more supportive and understanding of those with legitimate problems to overcome, instead it just led to rampant self-diagnosis of inane non-issues, the glorification of mental health disorders, and therapists and drug pushers raking in unprecedented profits over all of it.
Use the catalog, homosexual.
>bill me later
>NOooooo you need to shill Velma or Disney crap.
Why is Dreamworks suddenly getting better? What could possibly account for this sequel being so much better than the original? It just defies logic and reason
Short version is that DreamWorks remembered to give a shit about its image, wanted to make kino again, and did it.
DreamWorks has always been pretty good and had made some fantastic movies, but they slumped for a while after being bought out by Universal. Then talent shifted inside the studio, Spiderverse came out, and the pandemic happened. DreamWorks took the opportunity to begin reinventing itself. The Bad Guys was the proof-of-concept, and The Last Wish was a demonstration with one of their flagship franchises. Both of these movies were developed during the pandemic, so they became passion projects for the people working on them, "the light at the end of the tunnel" as it were. In fact, both films thank frontline workers and everyone who kept working through the pandemic (none of the Disney films released this year did that, I checked).
This movie has been in development hell for years so plenty of time to refine ideas
Dreamworks was always good. They fuck up now and then but when they bring their A game, people always remember the obvious effort on the screen. Let's not forget the reason that HTTYD got two sequels and two television shows--because the original movie brought 200% along on the ride. Same for Kung Fu Panda. Megamind is still remembered to this day for being a movie more for adults than children. Nevermind the accolades that Prince of Egypt still gets for how uncensored and raw it was in the depiction of such sensitive material. And so on and so forth. For every Bee Movie that Dreamworks makes, they have roughly five fucking great movies to compensate for it. Been in a bit of a slump lately for the reasons that
mentioned, but their home runs still far outweigh their absolute fuck ups.
teal deer: Dreamworks was always good. They just fuck up now and then. But I'd go the far step and say that I would take even Dreamworks at its worst over Disney at its worst, because Disney at its worst is just outright bland. Dreamworks at its worst is at least wild and nutty to watch. Pretty glad to see TLW getting them some positive attention for once.
It was only created to mock disney by that jerk katzenberg, they occasionally make a good movie but nothing groundbreaking
Never had a panic attack, so I wouldn't know, but according to other people it's very accurate.
Imagine you heart beting as fast as it can at the same your breaths are so fast that your body can´t feel the air entering your lungs.
At the same time you feel like you are gonna die at any moment.
and the worst part is this is just an illusion, like you are breathing fine, your heart isn't going too fast it just feels weird because heart palpitations are like your whole body beating but at the same time feeling wrong like it's also not beating. You might be confused whether your heart is actually faster than normal or not beating at all. And that feeling like you're going to die isn't just because you think it's a heart attack, it's your brain literally screaming at you that you're going to die.
But despite that everything is actually fine. It's your body's alarm systems all being turned to max volume and then getting stuck there.
What did you do to stop them?
I got a job that was less stressful. I didn't start having them until that job. But I did manage to deal with them by just thinking of them differently. Once I'd had a few I recognized them, and I somehow just got into the mentality of "listen hear you little shit..." when I started feeling the symptoms. If my body wanted heart palpitations I'd be mentally in a smoking chair angrily waiting for it to get over itself. I just started viewing them as something apart from myself I was annoyed with. I wouldn't have intrusive thoughts or fears that make the symptoms worse, I'd just be waiting it out.
Sometimes you could tell it would just last a few hours, but you're in bed trying to sleep. So you just accept that you're not getting sleep for a few hours and find something to kill time with.
Also drink less caffeine, or stop drinking any after noon. But to get them to stop you need to stop having whatever is stressing you out around.
Less caffeine, don´t over eat food. Go to gym, have healthy sleep hours, less alcohol. Not to think while begin to sleep. Have time for myself.
Yeah those can all help because the opposite of those are all things that can cause or worsen stress and anxiety, but despite having all of that having shit in your life like awful family you can't escape or a nightmare job can build up enough stress to give you a panic attack anyway.
People need to know what to look to to avoid or reduce them, but in the end it's the bigger things causing the routine stress that are to blame. And people need to know they're not above having them.
I used to have frequent panic attacks. I got rid of them by exercising 3 times a week.
It's not a cure-all, but many couch potatoes could probably improve their mental health by just running.
I get these panic attacks sometimes that feel like a heart attack. Just stabbing pain on the left side of my chest while my heart is thundering
Pretty much I just power through them or do breathing exercises. Having someone around helps but I also think that's somewhat embarrassing and would prefer to just suffer in silence alone where no one can see me
Try to move somewhere where you can be comfortable if you can. Like your bedroom or favorite chair or something. You can't really stop them when they start but you can manage the symptoms better and avoid a spiral. Having a pet helps, as you can hold them and avoid embassment like
is afraid of. You want to try to keep your mind somewhat busy as to avoid a negative spiral into your own thoughts. Grounding exercises (breathing and just focusing on your senses and thinking about what you're touching or hearing) can help too. However if you have friends maybe play a game with them or something, me and my closest friend will play on my old gamecube to just keep our minds busy if one of us have a panic attack.
I have, and it’s accurate. Can’t believe this is the same studio that made Bee movie
Surprisingly well-done.
I almost cried like a bitch in the theater
I did in fact cry like a bitch in the theater, honestly fucking heartbreaking to see Puss like that.
It was the life flashes for me
That was well done, they were tragic scenes, his desperation shows
The moment Perrito found Puss out of his mind due to fear and comforted him by resting on his belly is where a tear almost run down my cheek.
He took his boosters.
Really realistic depictions of anxiety throughout this movie.
I was grateful that it was short, because it wasn't very interesting. I've had many panic attacks in my life, still don't care. Those of you who were crying were indeed little bitches.
Shalom and good evening to you, Rabbi.
>fellas, is it gay to have emotional intelligence?
>emotional intelligence
>I've had many panic attacks in my life
And you're calling other people bitches? Lack of empathy just makes you a sociopath which I guess is trending with zoomers because they saw it in a movie
>Lack of empathy just makes you a sociopath
Good. There's no reason to care for random strangers online if they don't interest you personally or they're people you don't like. Most people know this deep down, but say the opposite because they don't wanna feel like assholes or monsters.
Never had one and never suffered from anxiety so whatever
I don't need more anxiety and panic attacks in my life thank you
I thought it was really good.
I know that this scene was to let Perrito have his chance to be a therapy dog, but it could also have been effective to have Kitty hug him or something to calm him down.
At that point she was still pissed off about Santa Coloma, so it wouldnt have made sense.
I've only had 2 drug induced panic attacks and they lasted hours, It was just like what happened in the movie but for 3 hours. It may also had some screaming, thankfully I had my own perrito in the form of friends who happen to be doctors and nurses by me.
I had a few after going clean from my ADHD meds and a year later, alcohol. I hate it because you feel like you're going to die which doesn't help when you're already not doing so hot health wise.
For a movie about talking animals finding a wish, they sure have a lot of mature themes and scenes. Disney has been trying to focus on generational trauma shit but can't make a serious, mature scene that actually has emotional impact to save their lives.
of course they can't/won't they want to keep squeaky clean so why only flirt with the concept.
and then dreamworks shows up with the unexpected resurrected sequel to an offshoot of a highly successful cartoon comedy and does it right. something funny about that.
>Disney has been trying to focus on generational trauma shit
It's long played out by now. What the fuck is up with that, exactly?
Don't worry they'll find something new to milk dry. Remember when they were obsessed with twist villains?
i cried as well, mainly because seeing puss like that is pretty heartbreaking, seeing him have flashbacks of Shrek and Donkey in the beginning was also pretty sad because you want him to be okay and with his friends again, ehhh and i could also relate to the anxiety part as well
>muh mental health...SO POWERFUL
of course you zoomers would think putting shit like this in a film suddenly makes it the best thing ever.
Yeah, they should have interspersed this ridiculously silent moment with some quips and fart jokes. Maybe some slapstick, too.
I unironically heard some teens laughing in the scene where Perrito lays his head on Puss's belly
I laughed because it was so sincerely sweet.
Anon the oldest Zoomers are 24 yo
Just die already, grandpa
I want to know why legacy male characters like Puss in Boots or Yakko Warner are suddenly being written as having massive anxiety disorders when they have shown no signs remotely of it before
Don't care for the Warners so idk what's going on there but they didn't show puss have an anxiety disorder, they showed a movie of him having an existential crisis which comes with anxiety and panic attacks. Also they explored why he didn't have any fear before hand, it's showcased throughout the beggining sequence before his 8th death. Did you watch the movie?
>Anxiety disorder
Nigga was being hunted by the physical manifestation of death, of course he's not the most composed in the world. That doesn't mean he has an anxiety disorder though, retard
At that point, he didn't know it was Death yet, but he did lose a fight to him so would still be traumatized by him.
Yeah, imagine going from "never been touched by a blade" to almost dying, I'd be pretty shook up too.
Even then he probably would've been okay if he hadn't gotten the mortality whiplash. He just learned he's got one life left and this Wolf just struts in, styles all over him, and makes him realize he could actually literally die.
That said, I'd join in the complaints if they didn't show him, you know, overcoming it. That's the important part. Sure, he got rocked, but then he got back up, fought, and won. What way too many of these shows are doing is making it seem like some unbeatable thing that just clings to you and you barely put off, which might resonate with their perceived audience on a shitload of antidepressants who inexplicably wish to preach about how everyone else should live their lives, but it really doesn't work as a story. I had plenty I didn't like about this movie, that dog got on my nerves and his backstory felt sad on a forced level by the third exposition dump, but I can't deny they actually had the balls to have someone get knocked down and get back up despite the threat and danger, that's just good storytelling in general and something way too many films are "Subverting". Looking at you, fucking every Disney Movie in the last 5 years where the message is just "Hey you're perfect and everyone else is wrong."
>What way too many of these shows are doing is making it seem like some unbeatable thing that just clings to you and you barely put off
first, literally what shows are doing this? People are praising this for being accurate to what panic attacks are like, not because panic attacks are something they think you have to cope with.
Second, despite that this kind of shit is most of the time something you just have to deal with because you can't control is, and accepting as a thing that happens outside your control is part of lessening its hold on you. None of this is about glorifying having a mental illness.
Look at some of the retarded posts here by idiots who think you're not supposed to have this unless you have a mental illness or are weak and not super duper manly like Rambo was in the 90s. That mentality means that when this pretty normal human experience hits you during a point of high stress then it will be worse because you don't recognize it. Panic attacks are a normal everyday thing because life can be stressful and a little too much coffee on a bad day can leave you thinking you're about to die because you thought you were too manly for this shit.
You're just spitting a lot of made up shit you want to believe people are saying.
>first, literally what shows are doing this?
In no particular order off the top of my head.
>Adventure Time
>Regular show
>Bojack Horseman
>Rick and Morty
>13 reasons does it have to be animated? I can get some more of those if it does.
>Babadook fine not a show you got me but I saw it a week ago, sue me.
>I'm told She-Ra but I admittedly never watched it.
>not because panic attacks are something they think you have to cope with.
I mean that's good and all, but I was talking about in the narrative sense, as in they're an obstacle that needs to be overcome. I'm also praising that it didn't do that, to be clear. I like how it was used in the movie just because he eventually overcame it, that's what a character should do.
>None of this is about glorifying having a mental illness.
I struggle to call what that stuff does as "Glorifying" anyway, more like deifying to be honest and it's a little unsettling. I really hate how it's infected the horror space too.
>Look at some of the retarded posts here by idiots who think you're not supposed to have this unless you have a mental illness
I agree with you that this is stupid, preaching to the choir on this one. His situation was completely understandable and had real stakes and that's why it felt so triumphant, for me personally at least, to see him fight on solo even if he had help in a more metaphorical sense with the dagger. Puss, the character, overcame it, and then he still got his team-battle to round it out after his personal thing was done. Perfect usage.
>You're just spitting a lot of made up shit you want to believe people are saying.
Made up shit? Seriously? It's a basic complaint about usage of obstacles in media. If it makes you feel better we have a much bigger issue in the other direction, which is why I brought up Disney's "Never faces any challenges just perfect and right and nobody else believes them" protagonists. Just saying.
What I was asking for were shows that portrayed mental illness in the way you're talking about:
>more like deifying to be honest and it's a little unsettling
because those examples don't do that, at most they portray it as "this is a normal human thing and not something to stress over having to deal with". Bojak is about depression and how it sucks, R&M is being fake deep and should be ignored for it, AT actually had some good points in dealing with this shit right, not as a narrative thing, but in treating it as normal emotional responses. I have no clue what you mean in regular show, but they did accurately portray what being wasted is like when they ate those hot wings.
And the whole reason for "normalizing" these things in that way is because in past media was all about the opposite. "Haha you're a freak and a sissy loser for having a mental breakdown after experiencing something horrible and traumatic!" that's the boomer mentality, just pass the abuse on to your wife when you get home and you'll feel better.
>That mentality means that when this pretty normal human experience hits you during a point of high stress then it will be worse because you don't recognize it.
I had my first one ever today. Was not prepared. Follow all the typical advice to eat and live well, but circumstances completely out of my control clocked me and it caught me off guard in the worst possible way.
>super duper manly like Rambo
Wasn't First Blood about PTSD
Then they realized that was homosexual shit so every sequel was non-stop testosterone.
You do understand people can have temporary anxiety at different points of their life, or situational induced panic attacks, without having an Anxiety Disorder right?
>legacy male characters
>Puss in Boots
Anon...
Shrek 2 came out 18 years ago, Anon
>Yakko Warner
what
from the reboot, I think.
I remember hearing there was an episode where he breaks down because no one was laughing at his jokes, or something.
Puss didn't give a shit about anything before knowing he was mortal, that's the whole point of the movie
decent, the film depicted these scenes decently
I'm not bumping this thread because I like it. I'm bumping to post an image.
>gets mogged by literal children
Pussbros, how do we explain this?
I doubt Puss wants to seriously fight children, even if they're being legitimate assholes.
were they children or short people
Since when kids are into BDSM
Someone working on Puss in Boots was getting horny
um... Sort of since ... forever.
ANYWAY, Why is this in the cartoon?
Reminds me of how all those old Disney cartoons used to have some random bondage/torture machines.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things...
Just watched the short, they caught him by surprise, Puss thought they were just nice kitties, but after he freed them, they chained him and BURIED HIM ALIVE.
He somehow managed to free himself from the chains and crawl to the surface, but his biggest feat in this short probably was that he could use his cute look on them, even after they threw sand on his eyes.
That short was just someone's fetish fuel.
>tortured, humiliated, and then buried alive
>fetish fuel
AAIIEEE KITTY-SAMA TASKETE KUDASAAAAASAI
>What did you think of how this film depicted anxiety and panic attacks?
Really good. Puss 'n' Boots' moments of fear were his best characterization scenes.
Where does the entire Puss n Boots series take place? After Shrek 3 or 4?
Puss 1 - before Shrek 1
Puss 2 - after Shrek 4
>before shrek 1
did you mean before shrek 2? that was puss first appearance.
Timeline-wise, Puss in Boots 1 takes place before the events of Shrek 1.
Why is it when something trends on twitter.com people come here and make a thread about it
Because despite what some of the snowflake homosexuals that post here like to pretend 95% of people who seriously use the internet have a Twitter and want to talk about the same shit in a different environment.
Sort of related question: people always swear up and down that you cannot die from an anxiety attack, but what about if you already have a weak heart or other health problems?
It can kill you if you already have an existing condition. Plus, the massively elevated heart rate and blood pressure will put you at risk for more chronic cardiovascular problems
I think that the fact that we are celebrating weakness even in films is a dark sign for the future of masculine society. Wake up, men, if your response to panic is anything other than a cool and collected confrontation of the root issue then you are not a man, but rather an asexual castrated homunculus. Children need stronger role models than this homosexual triple vaxxed furry basedcuck.
You will never be a man.
>your kid has a panic attack? just beat the shit out of him until he stops
The only method to beat shell shock endorsed by George Patton, the manliest man of them all.
Somehow you managed to state the correct thing while attempting to be completely sarcastic. That's how fucked up your worldview is. You're a woman, congratulations. You've proved the trannies right.
a movie where a main character gets to pussy (heh) out and practically break down in tears on screen is promoting weakness. The only way that would have been acceptable from a masculine standpoint is if he immediately died violently as a consequence of his weakness. But no, he is allowed to ignore his feminine hysteria and somehow still save the day. You're one of those 400 pound creatures who lets their wife fuck them in the ass, aren't you? Don't you have marital aids to be purchasing?
real men are strong. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. We are living in a world where strength is seen as weakness and breaking down in tears when your wife doesn't buy you the new cucktoy 4000 vibrating anal wand is seen as strength.
Tate gives me hope that there are still folks under 40 who understand what masculinity is supposed to be.
>simping for a real-life wojak and his life-sized coping strategies
>Projection: the post
one's humanity is more appealing to women than their masculinity
cry about it
this can't possibly be a genuine post, no one is this dumb.
I saw the second one coming and resisted the urge to just close my eyes
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
dont you old homosexuals have an ex wife to be screaming at or something
What about Tony Soprano? Literal same shit with the panic attacks. He wasn't made out to be a bitch character. Having 100% perfect masculine men in media is fun, in a campy way, but it's nice for the men to have slight flaws. The only problem is most people in the last decade fucking suck at writing men in general
A big part of Tony's character is that his masculinity is literally killing everyone around him and ruining his life.
It's pathetic. People go into the animation industry and they can't make anything fun or cool or exciting or inventive for the kids, they can only put themselves having mental health issues and being comforted by a pet into a movie for kids. Kids should not be getting ready for therapy and ssris, they should have their imaginations expanded to see the full Beauty of what they are capable of doing if they persevere to doing so.
Troon take, of the most obvious sort. If you hang out with people for whom masculinity kills their Spirits they are very weak and corrupt people you shouldn't be hanging out with anyway. It's like lowlife criminals who hate and fear the cops, but the cop is just a normal man
>cop is just a normal man
ACAB
>incel trying to be a chad while posting on Cinemaphile
go back
+L+ration+criminals arent people
>All criminals are black
That came out of nowhere.
You unironically need to kill yourself, schizo.
>Nooo you can’t be terrified that you lived carefree your whole life and not there’s a great chance you’re dying for real nooo
Common emotion for even the most masculine
Didn't that literally happen in the movie at the end when he confronts death and overcomes his fears?
>characters can't have WEAKNESS that's not MANLY
incel hands wrote this.
It's not. Remember the 80s and 90s when male characters were masculine as fuck?
clearly you don't because that shit was over the top and campy. It was a dumb fad for HYPER MUSCLE MEN, it wasn't "manly" it was cartoonish. Back then "manly" was still considered to be clint eastwood, or more suave and "too cool to care" shit.
You're thinking about movies that had actions and guns and explosions but no character. Meanwhile actual adult movies with manly characters weren't afraid to show a character's weakness, because most stories are about overcoming weakness. A perfect flawless person is a cartoon not an ideal.
I remember they were gay as fuck
so i imagine he will be trooning out like 80% of recent trannies, right?
He'll troon out if he's a yurifag. Otherwise, he'll just turn into a chud
dude, chuds are troonies, that's why you see the majority of them wear clothing that mocks women, and hate feminists that see through their facade
Sorry, should have specified non-trans chud. You're right though
lol what a pussy he has mental health issues
real men ignore the pain and anguish and kill their ex wife when they are 50
>a cool and collected confrontation of the root issue
Agreed.
This should easily be the best way to deal with an oncoming threat. Not immediately pissing your pants in fear and going into hysterics. That would be an absolute last resort move, which would is okay, since feeling fear is natural and part of all of us. But I personally wouldn't recommend it, or at the very least, don't show it, since you'd never want whatever enemy you're facing to see you in such a state. That would just make it way worse, since they'd very likely get a twisted enjoyment out of it and mock you for it. And besides, if shit really went down and everyone just did the latter all the time, then we'd all truly be fucked.
While he's kind of a dick about it, the root of his point isn't unfounded.
Yes, his point is fine if you're dealing with a woman. Never show weakness to a woman because she will lose all respect for you.
>While he's kind of a dick about it, the root of his point isn't unfounded.
it's literal boomer nonsense. If you're still too young and sheltered to have ever had actual problems in your life then you might fall for this shit, but it's retarded.
>This should easily be the best way to deal with an oncoming threat. Not immediately pissing your pants in fear and going into hysterics.
you're talking about it like it's a logical choice to have a panic attack. What kind of retarded kid are you? "Feeling fear" isn't what this is about. A panic attack is a thing your body does outside of your control. It being triggered isn't a "last resort".
Also, hysterics was made up to diagnose women who were suffering from PTSD and panic attacks from being abused, but because the doctors were being paid for by the abusers who controlled the women's lives and wanted drugs to pacify their episodes.
Stop talking like a dumb suburban kid who was raised by boomers. shit happens in life. You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
>You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
you absolute do control and condition how your body reacts to things if you have any self awareness at all. If you have an allergy you do not eat the thing you are allergic to. If you have a trigger that makes you anxious you can absolutely condition yourself to not be affected by said trigger. Exposure therapy is a real thing and works.
>inb4 some homosexual
"oh yeah what about child rape exposure HUH!"
even worse there are people who are going to act like having responsibility triggers their anxiety so they should never be responsible for anything. Happens a billion times everyday with a specific gender. If you expose people to the consequences of their actions they will (should be forced to) start changing how they act in tandem.
>it's literal boomer nonsense
But the main point isn't wrong. You should be able to collect yourself enough in dangerous situations in order to make it out alive from said situations.
>A panic attack is a thing your body does outside of your control.
>outside of your control.
That's a lie. There are people whose jobs require training that allows them to compose themselves and control their emotions (Doctors/Police/Fireman) even when they're in a grave amount of danger or stressful situation.
>It being triggered isn't a "last resort"
I said it should seen as one. But if it's always a first for someone and they aren't able to control or restrain it, even after enough practice and therapy, then those people were clearly never cut out for those lines of work and should presumably resign; for their own wellbeing.
>hysterics was made up to diagnose women who were suffering from PTSD and panic attacks from being abused,
>Hysterics. definition: a wildly emotional and exaggerated reaction
Dude really wanted to squeeze in some extra white-knight points there. You knew exactly what I meant.
>Stop talking like a dumb suburban kid who was raised by boomers.
You're trying to tell me this when you've been acting like an obnoxious, know it all, sheep libcuck to me even when wasn't even being remotely hostile towards you
>shit happens in life.
I agree. That's why you should personally learn that, instead of parroting talking points you found from Tumblr and going on a self-righteous spree in this thread.
>You don't get to choose how your body responds to high stress.
But you can learn to control it. There are people everyday who put their lives on the line and usually succeed because they've learned to push on forward, even in the most horrifying of scenarios. That's exactly what Courage is. The ability to face something that scares many and deal with difficult challenges, even when you yourself are afraid; Something that should never be deterred nor looked down upon.
>boomers boomers boomers
stop it, it's getting annoying
i know you hate your parents but not everything is boomers' faults
Don't blame me, blame the guy who wouldn't stop whining about them in his post replying to my original one.
>Movie celebrates weakness
>A movie where the main character overcomes his weakness and comes out on top
Nice strawman homosexual.
That's like saying that a movie about war is promoting violence.
God this shot is so fucking perfect.
That blade Death is using isn't just the one with the souls scratched into it, it's also the same blade he cut Puss with in their first fight. And using the tiny knife isn't just him doing a clever maneuver to not die (which it also is, and is cool as fuck). It's the blade Kitty gave him to defend himself, the same blade she used to cut the sad ugly beard off his face, the beard he grew when he became too afraid to go back out into the world due to his fear of Death. And Puss bonding with her anew is part of how he finally learns to value his life. This is literally his entire character arc of the film summed up by a brief moment in a fight scene. 10/10 cine.
>female character teaches experienced male character
yawn
Kitty was his former love interest and an instrumental part of him coming around to being a hero again.
Would you rather her be a guy? Would you rather Kitty be a man so he and Puss can be gay lovers? What do you want?
how about not have them be lovers at all? why can't he just be a friend or maybe a son figure? your problem is you want romance to be apart of it even if it means feeding into girl power. fucking cuckold.
You're not allowed to post from jail, Mr. Tate.
Perrito is such an endearing character. I was so worried he'd be Dog Olaf based on the previews, but I ended up really liking him, especially after the panic attack scene. Both helping him calm down and talking him through his issues without judgement. He's a good boy.
Go back to sucking Andrew Tate's dick in his 20 dollar discord, homosexual
7/10 DECENT TROLL
No you fucking idiot. The movie was about abandoning fake bravado and valuing the life you have. Puss crumpled without his safety net and learned to be fearless without it at the end.
I read this in Soldier Boy's voice.
Excellent trolls
guy is genuinely insane, i think the other is a troll
Your breath smells of cocks and cheep ramen
>men being devastated after facing their mortality is some brand new theme that the soijak npc army have just recently injected into popular fiction as subversion
>no protags before 2008 were ever shown experiencing and overcoming extreme distress
Aren't you supposed to be in prison, Mr. Tate?
Sorry, Gramps, that hard-ass shit is why men before us died miserable and alone, unable to feel anything but despair. Why would we want that after seeing what a lifetime of it does to a person? We're learning from your mistakes now.
Fuck yeah post of the year, I couldnt shitpost this good if they'd pay me. Just look at it its got everything, I was trying to come up with something like this but its like I've just seen Paul Allens card and im stunned.
>LOL YOU ARE AFRAID OF DYING?
>WHAT ARE YOU A homosexual?
People like you are insufferable.
The guy was being chased by death, actual death, what kind of NPC do you have to be to not be able to empathize over the fear of death.
How about you be a man and throw yourself off a bridge?
You're not afraid are you?
>has panic attack
>gets over it
>almost has another one
>next time he starts stressing out he confronts his root issue
what the fuck are you on about
I'm a sadist and into hurt/comfort so I enjoyed seeing Puss being anxious and terrified. It really hit the spot. I hope a bunch of teenage girls saw and enjoyed this movie and get to work cranking out those fanfics for me to enjoy later.
>I hope a bunch of teenage girls saw and enjoyed this movie and get to work cranking out those fanfics for me to enjoy later.
Based, i will do the same
There was a massive surge in box office post release. That's amazing.
Disneyshills have been claiming word of mouth is dead to justify their tranny shit bombing. Dreamworks proves otherwise.
>Several years ago was a college student that was living in parents house cause college was close by
>Alone in the house one day
>Think to myself "I can kill myself with my father's gun right now and no one could stop me"
>Out of nowhere heart starts beating like a war horse
>Start grasping for air as it's getting more difficult to breathe
>Realize I'm having a full blown panic attack out of nowhere by myself in the living room
>This goes on for five minutes
>Start calming down and breathing/heart rate goes back to normal
>Decide to just ignore whatever the fuck just happened and tell nobody of this
>Never had this happen to me again to this day
>mfw this movie made me realize the concept of death itself was probably what set it off.
In a weird way, yeah.
Somewhat related, but I've been feeling suicidal lately but the idea of actually killing myself is really fucking frightening. More specifically what comes after death is what frightens me most. Whether it be hell or I'm trapped in a coma with only my thoughts and no way to move my body or I get reincarnated into a worse life or whatever. It's horrifying to think about what comes next and that there's no way to come back.
So I learned something new after my first major panic attack, I learned that when your heart stops or when you have a stroke or something major at fault with your heart you get a symptom called "feeling of impending doom" which is literally just that, an inescapable feeling that you're going to die, like an absolute terrible certainty constantly beating itself into your head and refusing to let you ignore it.
Anyway I learned that the day after my panic attack where I also learned that sometimes an extreme panic or anxiety attack can trigger that same symptom that you're only supposed to only feel when your heart literally stops. Only unlike when your heart stops, you don't die shortly after. So the feeling of impending doom gets to last a lot longer.
And if you've never had a panic attack and don't know what to expect then your reaction to it can make it worse, as your paranoia about your heart palpitations can make them and your anxiety worse. And worse. And worse. Until you get the above feeling of impending doom. And it could go on for hours without you having any clue what's happening.
Isn't that fun.
This is a culturally spread phenomena. We have some anxiety as a natural experience, but the way we frame it has made it grow into something so much bigger than it needed to. We fear it. We put it on a damn high pedestal of importance. We talk about it like an inevitability. We nurture it. We facilitate it.
It's no wonder this shit keeps getting more prominent as a problem young people face.
I don't know, my life is a mess and it's very stressful and I've never had a so called panic attack. Maybe it depends on the person.
Of course it depends on the person. It's probably even a genetic thing which is why almost anyone might get a panic attack while many others will never experience one
I used to have them until I started to reject the idea of them on a fundamental level. It's been years since I've had one. The brain is fucking malleable and people have no idea how much they're shaping it to be more vulnerable and dependent with the way they frame depression and anxiety as this inescapable fact of life.
they're more common as you get older. You could be easily juggling large amounts of stress at 24 then when you're 26 suddenly half that load is triggering an attack. But as you get older you get better at managing stress too so usually the peak time to have them for most people is late 20s.
But then people are different and some people can just be more prone to these kinds of things naturally. It's like being prone to high blood pressure or whatever.
no, no anon none of that is true. We do the opposite and culturally for the longest time told people to "man up". Additionally, it's only common in modern society. If we had a good old apocalypse and went back to a mainly agricultural lifestyle shit would be hard and we'd have worse problems, but there would be far fewer cases of people living lives full of constant stress that eventually triggers an attack.
we don't "fear it" we disrespect it and act like we're above it. Then it hits you and you don't know what it is because you didn't think it would happen to you. That's the problem.
being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger. Made them reach deep down within themselves and produce victories out of difficult situations instead of being given the opportunity to be weak and dependent.
I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
>being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger
I bet you think overtime makes you work more productively and we should just power through our sickness rather than resting
Nope. I'm self employed. Work smart, not hard.
>sheltered anon tries to make an opinion he is unaffected with
now it makes sense
You sound upset.
nah just pointing out the usual
By affirming what a holier than thou bitch you are?
>being told to "man up" and seeing that as expectation made people stronger.
it literally did the opposite and that's a pretty well known fact now. It was spoiled boomers who never knew stress talking down to their kids who couldn't obtain the same standard of living despite excessive stress.
So no, you fucking retard. Grow the fuck up.
>I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
you didn't have depression. That shit can work for some people with panic attacks but the stress is still there. Depression literally does not work like that. And you can't stop a person's panic attacks by telling them to get over it, it's a more complicated awareness of the problem they need to work their way to understanding. Yeah people saying "there's nothing I can do" are avoiding dealing with the problem, but your advice is worse.
And seriously no that shit doesn't help depression. If you think it cured yours I guarantee that wasn't medical depression, you were just sad.
>I've disrespected anxiety and depression and rose above it. the panic attacks went away and i'm never going back to that weak bullshit.
doubtful.
anxiety, depression and weakness is part of the human condition, mirroring empathy and the desire to survive. you can't escape from it, and to reject any of them is just plain willful ignorance.
besides, being told to "man up" does absolutely nothing productive. it means to ignore yourself and keep going at the cost of pain, as opposed to taking a step back and handling things more wisely.
You wouldn't be posting about it like a little insecure bitch if it actually worked for you.
Your insecure fragile ego needs to know that your way was the only way.
It appears my superiority have led to some controversy.
superiority people don't need their ego stroked, you're larping
Better men than you fought in WW1 and WW2 fought some of the most horrific battles in history and still ended up killing themselves long after the war ended
one thing i dislike about how people see the wolf is that he's often depicted as a vengeful killer most of the time when i see him as someone who's fuckin outraged that puss somehow hasn't learned to not to continue throwing his life away even after dying eight times
like come on people, he's not fuckin heartless
It didn't seem like death gave a shit about Puss learning any lesson. He's angry because he felt disrespected. It was an ego thing.
Disrespecting death generally doesn't matter, because you disrespect death and you die. Disrespecting death while having multiple lives though? Yeah, he's gonna be pissed.
that too, but there's a bit of overlap
by disrespecting death, he's not respecting his own life either. but in the end he understands his mortality and the true value of his last life, and in doing so quite literally makes peace with death
there's a second part to this that's whistled during the panic attack, iirc
I'd suck his ego
https://vocaroo.com/12LL1fV7LNO5
Man that whistling was fucking cool.
So de we know what song was his whistle based on?
dies irae
Yes
I read it was just a musical scale, but played emphasizing certain notes over others.
I thought most people got that just fine. Puss wasn't respecting life, and Death is the biggest fan of life. So he's pissed at this retarded asshole cat who was given 9 lives he's just wasting flippantly like a spoiled rich kid throwing money around. He was a braggart and claimed to not fear death because he had no respect for the value of his own life.
Death wanted to put him in his place for that. Then Puss learns his lesson and it blueballs the wolf.
>Death is the biggest fan of life
>[puss] was a braggart and claimed to not fear death because he had no respect for the value of his own life.
this right here's my point
but from most of the posts i've seen elsewhere, anyways it's all just shit from the fights and how bloodthirsty he looks, not unlike the art in >135038609's post
Death seemed like both to me, like, sure, Puss has been pretty much wasting his lives in stupid ways, but at the same time, can't he just let him keep doing it? It's outright stated that he's doing this because he wants to, he's specifically trying to kill Puss because he doesn't value his life instead of letting him die normally, and he doesn't just kill him, he toys with him, gives him anxiety, scares the hell out of him, etc., he's a jerk.
How is one "rhetorically" and "theoretically" death? I get metaphorically and poetically.
Yeah but because Puss doesn't values his life.
it's kinda like a bragging thing
e.g. smaug from the lord of the rings called himself "death" because of how much destruction he wrought in the past
but the wolf is the literal personification of death, this world's actual grim reaper.
>Yeah but because Puss doesn't values his life.
That still makes him a jerk, he could've just let Puss waste his last life by masturbating too hard or something, but instead he went out of his way to hunt him like an animal, which he didn't have to do at all.
Like, sure Puss didn't respect life nor death, but that doesn't mean Death had to stalk him like a psycho, sure it scared him into growing as a person, but that was never Death's intention, he just wanted Puss dead.
He had to hunt him because he didn't care about it being his last life. It's why he stopped in Luna, because Puss had already given up.
He had a literal brush with Death to realize his own mortality.
Whenever he actually confronted puss it was when he was already in danger of something else. He had a lot of chances to kill him in their first meeting but he didn't, because he was the threat of death suddenly hanging over him and weighing down on him. All his quick appearances were when there was immediate mortal danger.
When puss was in danger the wolf was there ready to pounce, when puss was in a position to feel fear of death but not immediate danger, then the wolf chased. The wolf didn't chase when he ran from the fight into the woods.
The end fight was different because the wolf appeared when he was having a change of heart over his fear, so he confronted the wolf and the fight dissolved into death leaving. Then puss faced the end fight.
>Rhetorically
Using it as a moniker for being deadly. "No I am not a bounty hunter with a fancy name"
>Theoretically
Possibly being Death. "There are no maybes here bitch. I am Death itself"
>Those eyelashes
What if Puss In Boots was a girl instead?
Then my dick wouldn't be hard.
Slightly more porn
Puss really is just a flesh light in this scenario
I like that it didn't make it psychedelic or anything. Just good sound design and de-saturated colors and environmental design
I remember when I had my first ever panic attack in the middle of the night a few years ago and I thought I was having a fucking heart attack
People need to talk about what panic attacks feel like because most of the problem with them is that when you first get them you have no clue what the fuck is happening and panicking only makes it worse, but if you knew what the fuck was happening you'd panic less and have an idea for how to try and relax until it passes. Just knowing it's not a heart attack can make all the difference.
I haven't had them since leaving my super stressful previous job, but it reached a point where it would start and I'd just be like "eh, whatever" and kind of shove the symptoms to the side in my mind and find somewhere to relax on my phone until they faded. But that first one was awful.
Yeah. Like I assumed panic attacks kicked in because of something obvious but no, they can be triggered by something completely inane and non-obvious.
Seeing Puss just sitting and trying to calm down on his own and having his friend be there to bring him back to normal was nice. I never had an animal for that but I imagine it would be very helpful for just turning your focus to anything else
are there clear snapshots of the artbook? this movie needs obsessive fans like the bad guys
It was less a panic attack and more a confrontation with mortality
anon what do you think a panic attack is.
Which caused a panic attack.
Tony Stark did it first in Iron Man 3.
So?
Fuck that movie too, completely glossed over that shit after wasting half the movie futzing around thanks to a giant chest glowing plothole. Him having PTSD would've been fine if it mattered some time in the last half hour of movie. What's the point of inserting something like that into the narrative if you're just going to have a bog standard fight scene at the end?
It made sense and wasn't done in some obnoxious topical lecturing kind of way. Just a story about a cat terrified of the grim reaper done in an effective way.
>death literally cheating and trying to take a life early because he couldn't handle bants
Deathcucks, explain yourselves
>you can't cheat death, but death can cheat you
the only time he actually made an attempt was when puss stopped running away
It's not cheating if he makes the rules :^)
Actually, does Death make the rules? How does Life feel about this? Are they in control of everything or do they have some kind of boss?
>he chased when puss was at a point of feeling fear
>he only stood there when puss was in actual danger
>he only fought seriously when puss was overcoming his fear
the wolf lied, he was death metaphorically.
nah he was death but he acted on those metaphorically
puss outright exploited his ability to come back from the dead 8 times and fuckin ridiculed death each time he did, basically seeing all his lives as disposable
so dude went and said "if they're so disposable, what's wrong with me taking the last one?"
>puss outright exploited his ability to come back from the dead 8 times
What's he supposed to do? Wait until he's an old man so he can die from 9 heart attacks?
more like not wasting them on a whim just to prove his "legendary" status
I know it's basically stated outright in the film but I love that Death is a wolf because cats have nine lives, and obviously a canine hates cats.
That's why I believe Death manifests itself differently based on the individual. If Shrek ever pissed off Death enough for him to take physical form, imagine what he'd be.
Death(s) are homosexuals when you outsmart them
you can't outsmart them and cheat them but they'll win in the end.
That one was outright bullshit. Wolf Death was pissed Puss kept mocking him and not valuing life.
Death Note guy followed the rules as written and made a win for himself. Shinigami King was a salty homosexual who changed the rules afterward. Even then the guy still ended up making loads of people rich and also making Trump look like a chad so long as he keeps the ruse cruise going
his anthropomorphic personification got too much Hispanic furry added to it so it's irrational
I hate cats so fucking much it is unreal. Greetings from the underworld
despite what fiction says death doesn't really reside in the underworld
Imposter.
Blessed and frogpilled.
Shut up Greg.
Funny.
Death doesn't like to be mocked.
Sadly, spot on. Fantastic movie though I cried like a bitch at the end.
it was nothing like a real panic attack. it works in the movie fine.
You guys do realize mental illness always existed, right. We just blamed demons and drank gallons of alcohol to treat it.
it's like how we used to blame fairies replacing children for autism and now idiots act like it's a new thing just because we've come up with words to distinguish it from other developmental problems in kids.
I wish homosexuals could just like this movie and its scenes instead of doing the "i felt so represented when the cat had a panic attack and they handled it SO well.... it really helps show others what people like me go through, 10/10 film"
what the hell, why can't they do both?
movies can have multiple layers between "fuck, this is awesome" and "fuck, this actually MEANS something"
Something i'm curious about is how many people do you think predicted the Wolf being literally Death.
It got spoiled for me beforehand but there were some neat hints leading up to the reveal
>he keeps mysteriously appearing out of nowhere
>Puss is the only one who interacts with him or even notices him
>black cloak and weapons that look like scythes
>puss literally saying he laughs in the face of death when they first meet
>that line about how "no one has ever escaped me"
If you go into the film without exposing to the trailers and such, Death is obvious with his appearance. Like he literally popped out the moment there's a discussion about death and he has the hood and all.
The trailers I feel immediately "masks" him being Death by calling him Big Bad Wolf, showing him in shroud, etc.
What the other anon said. He appears out of nowhere, does the whole "They all think they can beat me but none have" and other such lines, and while he doesn't have a giant scythe, he uses two sickles which are essentially just mini scythes. Also he's pale white and has the black hood.
I still like they kept it straight and made us think he's a bounty hunter, and kept everything he was saying inline with what death or a bounty hunter could say.
A lesser writer would just assume the audience knows it's death and lampshade or some shit.
The entire movie showcases how the teams that worked on this actually gave a shit about what they were doing, and took their time with it. Makes me hopeful for future projects.
I absolutely would have guessed it at the coin scene if it hadn't been spoiled for me. So yeah.
Like you said, there's plenty of hints.
If you didn't realise from the very first encounter that he was literally death then you're just dumb, sadly. He's wearing a black hood and is using scythes, like cmon.
I thought he was just designed that way to represent Puss's fear of death. I actually didn't like when he said out loud, "I'M LITERALLY DEATH AS IN ACTUALLY DEATH ITSELF FOR REAL GET IT?!?!?!?!!!" I know it's a kid's movie but they really went too hard on that point in the "reveal" and it made me roll my eyes.
>Puss is the only one who interacts with him or even notices him
Other people notice him too, the milk bartender is the first one to notice him.
The bartender is gone by the time Death appears, he's looking for the heavy stuff in the back.
Look carefully at his eyes, he notices el Lobo come and that's why he makes up an excuse and doesn't come back.
He is looking at Puss, then lightning flashes indicating Death has entered, he looks at it and makes and excuse to leave, note that he never does return with the "heavier stuff".
It would've been less obvious if he didn't appear out of nowhere with a black cloak in the beggining. It's not much of a twist after that.
It's a twist from audacity, you expect him to be symbolic of death, or some other gay shit going in cause actual fucking death showing up in a story is a very very hard flex to pull off well
also the trailers overtly called him something else, so the expectations were set in stone. it's basically hiding on plain sight.
Good move.
>wanted poster from first encounter had dead circled, put emphasis on the dead by himself tapping it. It showed that he cared more about wanting puss dead than the bounty. The fact that he told him to pick up his sword when Puss lost it
>Black sclera with red eyes
>Black hood
>White fur
>Sickle weapons
wasn't too hard to figure out.
>puss contemplates only having 1 death left
>a BOUNTY HUNTER suddenly appears to catch him
>calls himself a big fan of him ironically because he's annoyed in the first place that he squandered his lives and just laughs at his face
Already felt it was off in the beginning
There's a lot of discussion about philosophical mumbo jumbo and decidedly little discussion about how cute these two are.
there's plenty of porn and tease between the two anon
L-link?
i can tell the guy draws tons of porn between and beyond these two
you mean it's not the way how puss's laid down that tipped you off?
kinda hard to find a pairing cute when you want to BRUTALIZE one half. god if there was a full movie where the animators just tortured death in whatever cruel, unusual and horrible way they could think of for an hour, i'd buy at least two seats just for myself. death dying would go against everything the film makers envisioned but i was still disappointed when it didn't end with puss in boots just fucking decapitating him or using his own scythe to beat him until he's a bloody, insignificant splatter on the floor. the moment i first saw him while i was watching from home my face metaphorically reddened at the sight of this deathfucker. no other fictional character has ever caused me this much turmoil and anger. in my mind i kept on thinking of slurs and insults to call that cock gnobbling shit eating furbag. his whole shtick was shit. "OOOH I LIKE FEAR AND KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M A 'BOUNTY HUNTER'" get a real job and a real weapon you piss goblin. guess what? you're not the only one who can lick his lips or make a fictional character bleed. let's not forget that he will never be a wolf. wolves have rounded ears, this guy has sharper ones like a husky. dogger. "OOOH i have red eyes im SCAWY" a fucking teddy bear can be scary if it can kill, you furbaiting ass sniffing wolf-larping cathating selfsedating castrated dog. AND GET PLANTIGRADE LEGS, YOU FUCKING LOSER. i hope he gets his shins and knees broken in so when he wakes up after surgery and tries to get up, he falls over because of his stupid """wolf""" legs.
the movie was fine i just really hate him specifically
A lot of seethe too bad it is a copypasta
Wow he's literally me
>Mass replier
Is really that the best you got?
>mfw "Spanish Splinter!"
>both times
Very clever way of fighting giants tho.
pretty brutal for a children's film, i wonder how far they would have gone if not for the censors
>censors
Looking the movie again for a second time to see the little details, this film got away with a lot of shit for a PG rating. That small drip of blood caught me off guard seeing it first time.
>yfw he shatters the previous Puss's lives
No the secret of a good film is having a sexy wolfman.
tru
I love reading plebbit on why The Last Wish succeeded but Disney is failing. So far, the consensus is Disney is intentionally sabotaging their box office runs (with lack of marketing) so that they can fully transition to streaming.
They won't even address the woke aspects and anyone who does is getting downvoted.
Post voting was a mistake
You say that but wasn't avaturd making billions
Which wasn't made by Disney. Disney just acquired the studio. If they got their grubby hands on it from the start it would be shit as well.
>Disney releases transparent 3DCG cashgrabs with zero capacity for visual style, coloring, voice talent, or storytelling
>any "social justice" shit is very noticeably cut so that it can be removed for international release, and everyone knows it even on Twitter
>the few movies that can't be trimmed into China-friendly versions receive no advertising
>but what's the main thing keeping Disney from success? That's right, it's the naggerS AND WHORES
this tbh, it's not the wokeness, it's the PERFORMATIVE wokeness that they abandon as soon as it's inconvenient
also fuck the way the live-action remakes have this ridiculous fake-reverence for the source material, like they're going "you know it'll be as good as this thing because it WORSHIPS this thing like in a fucking CHURCH" hey, you know what didn't have borderline-religious reverence for the original Little Mermaid? the original Little Mermaid. so stop jerking yourselves off with the new one.
It is
Their last major success was Frozen and it was their left movie starring whites
you should go back.
Puss was so expressive, I think that's the secret sauce in this movie
At first I thought they were overselling it but no, it did in the beginning but only so that it normalizes, it was crucial
It was rather realistic, I thought.
I’m a fairly mentally ill wreck but I dislike seeing “le struggle” of mental health done in popular media since it’s invariably a phony way to drum up sympathy/pity.
The most realistic “muh mental health“ theme done in a movie was unironically pic related.
People watching a cartoon cat having le anxiety is different than how they would respond to someone having it IRL. They just want to feel good watching a fictionalized version of it.
>They just want to feel good watching a fictionalized version of it.
I just want the movies I watch to be good. If a character in a movie has a panic attack, I'd prefer it to be portrayed realistically than not.
>falling for bait
Go shill your under 200 youtube channel elsewhere you jobless homosexual.
Have you ever had sex while under the effects of anxiety, Cinemaphile?
>i will never rub Puss', Perrito's, Kitty's or Death's tummy
Life is so unfair
You're an irredeemable homosexual!
I DID IT LIKE THIS!
It's a joke, fellas.
I want to have sex with Baby Bear
Fucking destroyed me bros...
I miss my dog
Such a strong scene. I had to keep myself from crying because I was with family. Also, from this part onward, Puss stops seeing Perrito as an annoying tagalong and instead sees him for the loyal and supportive friend he is.
That scene made me pop off because
1. He did the thing he said he could do and very well
2. I feel like he could very much relate to the feelings puss is having at that moment given how bad his life was up to that point and was able to help puss in his time of need
This is the best balance of comedy and drama Dreamworks has ever done. I feel like the scripts for their movies frequently struggle with when to make jokes and if those jokes will land. A lesser rendition of this story would have kept the Perrito comedy focused on him annoying others even after his big scene. The story and characterization came first which actually made the comedy bits better, as it should be.
I'm so glad I went to the theater alone for my first viewing. I didn't cry but god damn I was struggling. My heart couldn't take it, bros.
So, i'm goign to watch Puss in Boots in cinema, i just need to have watched the first movie, right? Nothing else, i'll guess.
Not really. Its importance is just establishing Kitty Softpaws.
Yes, all you need is to watch the first movie to know that the black cat is supposed to be female
Shizoid low iq nagger? On MY mongolian basket weaving forum?
What a bizarre response. I hear about all these extra special mental illnesses and their conditions from leftists whose ideology is poisonous to their minds, and so they suffer side effects very much like the symptoms of a physical disease.
Kids should not be assumed to grow up so unnaturally- hopefully we can stamp out wokeness in time for the kids who saw The Last Wish to grow up
>fake bravado
Sounds like some anti-masculinity stuff to me. Puss in Boots is a Robin Hood type, that's not false bravado, he's a hero and should have the Swagger and attitude of a hero. Tearing him down is an expression of our anti-masculine culture which prefers people to be psychologically desexed
I experienced industry people going after my "false bravado" all the time since I was a teenager, my animation efforts are and have always been meant to advance society and individuals through the medium of cartoons, and so I take on the attitude of someone who aims to do this. They've done so much damage to the world by trying to fight against the masculinity of myself and others.
Btw, I saw more clips from this movie and they were so utterly generic
didn't feel anything special about this scene since I never had this psyop called a "panic attack"
Movie would had been better if it was 1 hour longer hell make it 3 hours long like LOTR and if Death was a girl.
I feel like the movie crammed too many main characters in.
https://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1615099726935859215
feels good to be a furchad
so is the secret hot wolfmen
The great thing about animal characters is they're free to be any human race you want, or no race if that's what you'd prefer. This means that everyone can potentially identify with them and their struggles, without going "wait a minute, this character has a different skin colour than myself, I can't sympathize with them." I mean, I have no issues being empathetic towards people that don't look like me, but apparently I'm in the minority here.
Also, frankly, they're just cuter and typically far more visually appealing than human characters. Or maybe they're just harder to fuck up.
Is the bad guys solid?
Honestly it's only good for seeing flashy animation. The story and characters are very underwhelming. There's not really enough to keep older audiences interested.
Absolutely. It's a character driven heist movie.
It's definitely leaned towards a way younger audience, which I guess makes sense because it's based on a series of popular children's books. But that does mean a lot of fart jokes and that level of humor and writing. It does have really nice to look at animation, though, and having watched it again recently the wolf character has some pretty blatant Lupin the Third vibes going on. Background characters are kind of distracting, though, not gonna lie.
hahaha... yeah... gag...
I meant gag as in joke lmao
I know, still find it kinky
>But that does mean a lot of fart jokes
There's 2 in the entire movie. One that actually contributes to the plot, somewhat. I mean I agree I wish they weren't there and I rolled my eyes a bit, but at least there was only two.
It's pretty decent. It doesn't tell a very complex or unique story, but it does have some really solid character interactions. It's a simple story, but with a very nice presentation. Also it's animated really, really well. It feels very dynamic.
The original books had fart jokes, the film's writers knew it'd be a point of contention but wanted to honor the source material.
Fucking loved it. Worth a watch.
The highway heist scene is superb.
Death does the dreamworks face
Dreamworks usually makes tv shows and shorts based on their latest hits, so chances are we will get another puss in boots tv show, now with team friendship, plus some shorts. The Bad Guys is getting a christmas special and had one short after its release, can’t see why they wouldn’t do that for this movie.
I would like to see 3 shorts based on the 3 villains of the film.
Thought the movie was good.
Saddest scene to me was when the dog was describing how he was literally tied into a sock with a rock and thrown into a fucking river, and how clueless he is about the attempted murder.
Then the fact he is wearing the sock as a sweater is really, really morbid to me.
Like someone using a noose as a scarf.
It's just really sad, I didn't expect to see something so horrifying in this kid's movie.
>Like someone using a noose as a scarf.
that's a raw as fuck idea
are there any character designs that actually do that
Scarecrow after Batman: TAS went through the redesign used it as a tie.
that is terrible and hilarious
i'm watching this now
>Then the fact he is wearing the sock as a sweater is really, really morbid to me.
Holy fuck I missed that somehow, that's amazing
So correct me if I'm wrong - but what the fuck does his panic attack has to do with anxiety? The guy's literally high on adrenaline after crossing the literal personofication of death? Fear is the catalyst not fucking anxiety.
Femwolf death? Hot.
I like how everything became distorted. It really feels like that.
So if Puss in Boots was able to beat giants in combat and match Death to a draw but unable to beat Shrek, how strong does that make Shrek?
The only reason Puss lost that fight was because he had a hairball.
Also, death comes for us all. Even Shrek.
Puss wasn't able to damage Shrek. He gave up once Shrek caught him.
He never got to so much as put his blade into Shrek. Hell, Puss' claws hurt Shrek pretty bad. It'd be death by a thousand cuts, but Puss has been a fighter of literal giants.
Shrek is a tough Ogre and very pragmatic. That's how he took on Farquad's knights. Problem is, Puss is just as pragmatic, if not moreso and both fight dirty.
Puss obviously increased his power level with various adventures and training after the events of Shrek
Puss In Boots 2 takes place after Shrek 4. His experiences with Shrek made him stronger
>was weaker during events of Shrek 2
>ogres have a really fucking high baseline powerlevel
Not all ogres, just Shrek.
The hairball made the fight completely unfair, and Puss was a powerful fighter (able to swordfight multiple guards with ease) even then. We don't know how many years later this movie came out.
I believe Puss could wipe the floor with Shrek now. Look at how big his fingernails are.
Yeah, I love puss but also fuck him for this
My 27 y/o brother saw the second one coming and covered his eyes lmao
It made me wince but y'know. Effective giant fighting technique
No because he had an actual good reason.
AIEEEE SHREK-SAMA HELP MEEEE
>WHO'S YOUR FAVORITE FEARLESS HER-ACK!!!!
Today I learned that people have been playing Death's whistle in school and other places to see who recognizes it and get pretty visceral reactions, and I'm very happy to know that.
>not pranking your younger siblings by playing it while they're asleep
People need to start thinking bigger.
wait what
fucking hate co, is there any place to actually talk about cartoons without americans
/v/
nah
I liked that it was brief. People meme anxiety and panic attacks as being this crippling thing that requires you to handle the person with kid gloves 24/7. But this movie portrays it as not a defining aspect of his personality but a hurdle to overcome. It’s also a good moment of character growth for him and the dog and gives the dog some depth by showing he was in fact capable of being a therapy pet and wasn’t just delusional.
It was nice.
The boomer mentality is strong in this thread? What's wrong with an anxiety attack being portrayed accurately? Isn't it better when a movie is accurate, except when it's played for laughs? I get strong boomer vibes in this thread. Not everything is a conspiracy trying to make the kids these days soft.
It's bait. People don't know what to complain about with this movie so they grasp at anything for (You)s.
Someone post the cropped gif
I think this movie takes a very serious topic for an animated series.
I mean, Death is not really a villain, as much as you think of it that way. It's a force of nature itself, part of Life itself. We must not mock about Death because no matter how powerful, strong or fast we are; Death will come for us at some point, and no matter how much time we can win, in the end, we will never truly escape from it.
So, appreciate your life and respect Death. Because as much as Life can turn unpredictable, there's one fact for sure: It will end at some point.
Who is your favorite fearless hero?
>moves to your town
This movie felt more genuine than any of Pixar and Disney's recent shit.
Are we too autistic?
>nOrMaLiZiNg MuH PaNiC aTtAcKs So BrAvE
Why are Twitterfags like this? Why can't they talk about something without sounding like a know it all bitch?
People are milking the fuck out of that scene on twitter. I understand it's nice to have something like that treated semi seriously, but I feel like they're taking away some of the genuineness in exchange for easy likes and retweets.
>easy likes and retweets
Yeah imagine people using social media to connect with others and talk about things they like
Yes. They are bad and cringe. Posting things here for easy (You)s is completely different, justified, and not cringe.
I cant do it anon its all so fake to me, the closest I get so social media is through others and post here. I'll browse nitter for an artist but cant use sm, it makes it hard to connect with people sometimes, they expect you to have or know things from sm. I'm saddened that no other site allows discussion like it happens here.
All human interaction is like that. You just gotta stop worrying and do what you want
They're attention whores
I can't take this shit anymore. WHY DOES THE THOUGHTS OF THESE PEOPLE IMPACT HOW ~~*YOU*~~ SEE THE MOVIE? I FUCKING HATE IT HERE
okay but can we agree the screenshot looks kinda like perrito just gave puss the succ
>Beautiful pain the movie
Actually watched it twice, which is rare for modern animation, and it really flies through 100 minutes.
It's a nitpick that perrito mentions he wants to be a therapy dog, just for it to tie in to this scene. It'd have been more "intelligent" for him to have just done the therapy dog head rest. That said, even thinking about the scene and way the movie handled these themes is putting a catch in my throat and wetness in my eye.
Checked out a bunch of responses to the panic attack scene over on Tumblr. Amazing how it's resonated so strongly with so many people.
Best boy and his efforts have won the hearts of millions.
What all these are doing is twisting the a real message of the scene in the context of the total movie to fit their pathetic existences
>Movie is a piece focusing on the second half of the heroes journey
>Puss is cowardly
this is not championed
>Puss has a panic attack.jpg
More importantly abandons his goals, structurally
>Is brought back by perito, explores his inner pain a bit
>back to the quest, course correction through support
>Then the fall, lowest moment is running from the wolf fight in the spirit cave then isolating from support
>Dovetails into being confronted by kitty, mixing the literal threat with the metaphorical ones as he tries to explain his weakness-complexes to another
[Come to Jesus moment" here]
>Confidently faces death and embraces the good in his life, is what he was but no longer flawed.
What puss at the end became wasn't a little bitch who has panic attacks. It doesn't normalize weakness, it tells you to come to terms with your past and be a fucking man in the present while respecting the value of your future. Good movie, good message. Anyone reading it otherwise is coping because they don't want to put in that work themselves.
Oh, wow, you're a moron.
>No it's ok I'm a bitch, puss has panic attacks just liek me!!1!
The movie says otherwise. It's about a character working through his shit instead of wallowing like you do. If you don't resonate with it because you were there, but because you think you are there (and that isn't bad and something you need to change), then you're never going to make it and you don't understand the movie.
I wish there had been even just one more scene of them goofing around
isn't there a movie where death plays cards with a man for his soul
It was chess
Let me guess, this entire thread is talking about how heckin' relatable and profound this is, right?
You're in your 30s, and you saw this in theatres. Alone.
I am in my 30s, but I saw it with my wife and several of our friends.
You're a retarded frogposter.
>Cinemaphileers
>having wives
just admit you saw it alone
fuck off and stop projecting, anyone can use Cinemaphile
I've just got the one actually
I'm in my 20s and I saw this in theaters TWICE, once with my friend group of like 9 dudes and once with my family.
My mom particularly loved it
>Cinemaphileers
>having 9 friends let alone 1
just admit you saw it alone
>Cinemaphileners
That's my secret, anon. I'm a tourist.
enlighten us Anon, why did you come to this hell hole?
Damn right I did. Everyone else didn't want to watch it with me because they thought it was a kid's movie.
I'm 20 and went and saw this with my siblings at a late showing after we were done skiing for the day. Sister didn't like it but she's also a edgy teenage girl. Brother and I had fun talking about it afterwards.
My roomates and I are planning on going to it later this week since they haven't seen it yet.
>Sister didn't like it but she's also a edgy teenage girl.
She totally liked it but just wants to look cool
Check her phone if she searched for lobo fanart
Fandango messed up and gave me a Spanish Dub showing. So I watched it once completely in Spanish with no subs and then in English right after.
34 next month but I saw it with a date for her birthday actually.
As someone who had an arrhythmia, I'd say his heavy breathing and heart pulsing out of fear send shivers to my spine.
I'm thinking this movie sucks and I'm trans
Well, you got one of those right.
checks out
It was okay, people are over hyping it for stupid reasons just like every other recent popular film, you dont need to make something good to be successful nowdays, just focus on couple of popular things and people will swallow anything up without a second thought.
>it's not really good guys
Never watched the previous movie
Never watched shrek
But I still really loved this one and didn't feel I was missing anything, anyone else in my boat?
Similar. I've only seen the first two Shrek films but that was ages ago, hadn't seen the others or the first PiB film.
I saw Shrek and Shrek 2 but not the other PiB movie(s?) and I also feel I didn't miss anything, nor do I think anyone would miss anything from not seeing any Shrek movie aside from not recognizing Shrek in a quarter second flashback shot when Puss is facing the Wolf for the first time.
I'm guessing the last scene is also supposed to hint at them going to Shrek's?
>hint at
nagger what? The only way it could have been more explicit would be if they'd sailed the ship directly into the ogre's gaping asshole
now I'm mad this movie didn't end like that
Porn artists, start taking notes
Oh, yeah, that's true, too. I guess you'd miss that if you knew nothing about Shrek, but also you'd just think they're heading to some other land and I don't think you'd lose much meaning in the scene overall.
Yup, the movie stands alone perfectly. Shrek 1 and 2 are fantastic though. Shrek 3 please skip. Shrek 4 is also good and has incredible closure.
Shrek 4 is the "it was all a dream" episode. Yes, Shrek did learn something, but it's as if the movie never happened.
This is a plot of an episode in a Shrek show.
People getting annoyed at dream/alt universe stories need to
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>enjoying a movie
>wacky reddit dog shows up
This movie is so good because even the character who is traditionally annoying, the wacky comic relief friend, is great
fuck off, Perrito is /ourdog/
>saw a webm of this scene with the bottom half "conveniently" cropped
>went to see in theaters
>scene starts playing
>too distracted remembering the webm to fully appreciate the moment
>literally can't stop thinking about it no matter how hard I try
Fuck you anon who posted that original webm.
This is why you always stay away from the internet before seeing a movie
It's quite unintentionally hilarious, but really cool this guy got to work on one of the best scenes in the movie.
This board art is so shitposty to me.
They never rubbed Perrito's belly
Would steal.
>is a manlet
ummm... puss bros???????
>manlet
Anon, that's a cat
me on the left
That was some miniscule movie promotion
>h*nd h*lding in a children's movie
what the fuck dreamworks????
thanks for spoiling the movie, asshole. hasn't even been out in theaters a whole month yet
That's not really a spoiler. At least not a significant one. Why are you even on this board right now if you don't want spoilers? And why haven't you seen it yet?
>And why haven't you seen it yet?
I have to make time to take the trek out to my local cinema
I need a cap of that kino shot of puss and kitty overlooking the valley climbing in the trees
This one?
It's such a good shot but it also annoys the shit out of me knowing that Kitty is declawed and that it's her that is holding onto the branch while standing at such an angle
It was pretty great
How much did this nigga get paid?
Looks like he's worked for Dreamworks before, so...maybe they got a bit of a discount?
I want to tickle Puss's butthole and I'm tired of pretending I don't.
I wonder if they decided to make the Puss in boots ASMR thing because someone who works there saw the shitposty 'shrek asmr' videos
>le panic attack
holy shit grow up you losers, stop idolizing your mental illnesses, this scene was the worst in the entire movie. if it made you cry, you're just a homosexualy bitch-ass pussy and you probably cry at alot in general anyways so it doesn't really speak to the "maturity" of the scene it just speaks to your weakness.
They have to add petty shit like this, because this generation dont know shit.
>A CARTOON CAT HAD A MENTAL BREAKDOWN
Like who gives a fuck
>Like who gives a fuck
Mentally ill people who think things like this are the highlight of the movie because they self diagnose themselves with autism in their Twitter profile.
>because they self diagnose themselves with autism in their Twitter profile.
As somebody who had to battle autism for pretty much my entire life, nothing pisses me off more when zoomers do this shit.
And it seems clear to me that you lost that battle. Badly.
I hope I dont become this dead inside when I hit 30.
Cartoons are supposed to be a getaway from real life, I don't need a fucking cartoon cat having a mental breakdown.
Its stupid, now he was a person sure.
But its a cat.
>I can't relate to this cartoon character unless they're a hooman!
Is this nagger for real?
Yall zoomer mfs need help, yous cant tell the difference between a cartoon cat and real life.
Don't ever complain about minorities needing representation if this is your honest stance.
What? how did we get from a cartoon cat having a panic attack, and then end up at race?
You literally said you have no empathy for any character in a story unless they are human like you.
Did I fucking miss something? Nigga I never said ANYTHING about skin color.
>You literally said you have no empathy for any character in a story unless they are human like you.
First of all thats racist as fuck
Second, I didn't say all animals, I just said a cartoon cat shouldn't be praised for having a mental breakdown in a kids movie.
>waaaahhhh das racist!!!
Lol cry me a river you zoomer namehomosexual.
He just admitted he had autism, so probably.
Oh right, I didn't see that. Still, the idea that "it's stupid to empathize with characters in a story because they're non-human" is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a bit. The animation/literary industry is full of decades of material starring non-human characters and the plights they go through. I don't give a fuck what some homosexual on twitter or tumblr is saying to get attention currently, taking such an abrasive stance in the opposite direction out of petty spite just shows a reactionary lack of principles
"Talking Animal People" come from a tradition in folklore. The Fable.
From Aesop to American Folk, the Animal has been used in Parable to relate Man's own Truths, good or bad, back to himself as in indirect filter.
We use the Talking Animal to Subvert and Penetrate past our Defensive Mechanisms to say and convey something we otherwise would've never allowed to Defeat our Certainties about our myriad Modes of Being.
If you Really Don't need some fuzzy little creature to relay some truth about you, to you, then I congratulate you for being so Zen that You don't need it.
Or being such a dried up turd you're already crumbling away and on your way to just not existing anymore.
But I'm telling you anyway,
This Shit Is Still Fucking Valid To Anyone Needing A God Damn Fable To Reflect Themselves Back To Them.
It's not some bitch ass homosexual pussy shit or the fuck ever you wanna deny it by for them.
It's real.
It's actually even a reminder of the Freshness of their Being.
That they can Feel something.
They have an inner Warmth and Depth and Vividness that has yet to be Diminished.
Not reading that, if you need a tournament arc length explanation defending a cat having a mental breakdown so these weak zoomers can feel better, then IDK what to tell ya
Anon, if I can give you a tip, it's usually a good idea to just not reply to the namefags on Cinemaphile. We've got some pretty retarded ones.
>Reddit spacing
I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, but you have to go back
>stop idolizing your mental illnesses
This. The de-stigmatization of mental health has been a disaster for these recent generations. It was supposed to help people be more supportive and understanding of those with legitimate problems to overcome, instead it just led to rampant self-diagnosis of inane non-issues, the glorification of mental health disorders, and therapists and drug pushers raking in unprecedented profits over all of it.
his name is morty.
Am I the only one who finds it kind of trippy that this is the same character? From a tonal perspective at least.
Ehh not really, he gave that adventurer vibe already.
Should I watch this even if I've not watched any of the other Puss in Boots movies?
Yeah.
No reason not to.
gake and fay, sick to death of fags with zero clue on what real panic attacks are like
>runs around a bit
>hyperventilates
>zones out
nigga thats just exercise
Okay I just saw the scene, like mothafucka that's me waking up from fucking sleep paralysis. How the fuck is that a panic attack.
https://twitter.com/CavalePrashanth/status/1615591981941690369
Behind the scenes animation for the panic attack scene.
awesome
To think a spinoff of Shrek left to rot in the 2010s came back with an actually good movie in this day and age
Wild stuff
Good thread folks
Hasta la muerte.